The 3000 Damage Carry That Couldn't Win
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That nerf one week before the international was so painful. She was so close to greatness on the a significant tournament.
It wasn't worth making the game meta incredibly stale and one dimensional in pubs just to have PA in the international. It's a good thing she was nerfed. They did the same to bara, and guess what, we got a bara major. Very fun...
@@loveluclinsyou could also say that with SB, CK and BB, the pub meta was also very stale. everyone was playing those 3 every game. why did they nerf PA when they were keeping these 3 more "unbalanced" heroes.
@@rinnepyBecause every single game from the deepest trenches to top 100 immortals was "you either manage to get her banned or she will be first picked and make the next 40-60 minutes for the enemy team a living hell. 25 if she's feeling generous and if you give her an early lead." This bitch was amost impossible to catch, could be running laps around you and shooting daggers WITHIN YOUR ATTACK RANGE and still be undetectable because fuck you. Also what a beautiful idea to give a hero who can 100-0 somebody in a second something that makes it impossible for the enemies to react to her engage for almost a second.
Fuck pa pickers and everything they stand for. Go play a casino and lose all your life savings.
@@rinnepy SB, CK, and BB were overpowered, yes, but they have interactions. PA (and Dark Willow and Muerta)'s entire gameplan was to be completely uninteractive. DW & Muerta's ability to be uninteractive paled in comparison to how PA was. When PA got off the ground, you simply couldn't click her. The fade delay meant she could straight kill someone before she unfaded, then fade again and repeat.
she would've attained spec status.
Baumi, I’ve been watching you for over 8 years now. I have to say, this is the best content you ever created and this is what a lot of people wanted. You delivered. This channel has so much room to grow, especially if it will maintain the level of quality it has now. Looking forward to LoL videos and best of luck!
I loved his custom hero chaos builds as well. Does he still do that? I lost my UA-cam and forgot his old account😞
Never played Dota in my life, as a matter of fact I'm a league player, but this videos are so fucking interesting
Good news! I heard there’s gonna be a league version of these videos from the same group of creators
@@pnoodl3s775
It's still not confirmed
Not unless Boomi can find someone who will be willing to watch every worlds game with a specific and champ and can write a long form video
The project will be cancelled
He did also mention that if you are Interested in the role you can email him
Of course it's going to be a payed job
"my game good your game bad play my game"@@prod.bronze
@@prod.bronze
i'm afraid i can't, at this point i'm too invested in the league universe, lore and characters, sorry to disappoint the DOTA community, kkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Rubick would be an interesting episode
Was just about to suggest the same. We have so many amazing Rubick plays by many players in the Internationals.
And there is a lot of changelogs that also changes rubick, this will be the most complicated and thoroughly detailed if baumi does it
Amazing documentary, yet again!
Oh also, could you maybe reduce the volume of the caster segments just a little bit? I sometimes rewatch these to fall asleep, and it scares the shit out of me everytime lmao
I feel like the nature of PA is that she was powerful around people who are bad at the game; evasion is deadly if you don't build MKB, her blink was a perfect gap closer if you didn't build BKB (which isn't gonna be so common at lower levels) and if you don't know how to manage her, the crits will absolutely body you.
I remember starting the game, and PA being an unholy terror.
Thus, buffs and nerfs are in an awkward position. How do you make her viable at high tier play, without making her oppressive at low tier play?
she is bad, just make her first 10-20 minutes painful, block her camps, smoke her out.. she always loses, so predictable.. ghost, aeon, as support become necessary if she is farmed.. and btw bkb doesn't stop her blink.. but you have a point, PA is terror for new players
I think her ultimate should be reworked into something more niche.
For example make her crits ignore armor
Or make her crits more probable when the target is low hp.
Or instead of being a crit it could become a massive bleed
Or give her Q a longer cooldown on heroes that leaves a mark that garantees a crit on that one target.
Its just the pure simplicity of her ultimate what keeps her down.
and then the pubs will all complain shes OP and valve nerfing her back.Tbh the only thing that actually holding her back was the pubs coz valve already done their parts to make PA playable in competitive
Would it not be good if she had higher CC but lower CD?
PA is like that hero that a little good buff can make her op so they have to be very careful when adjusting her thus making her looks like a 'good' hero but soon realize that she needs that good buff when you use her
Not even bro
PAs kit itself is the problem
Not unless they make her intentionally broke she will remain bad (at least for TI level play)
The only reason PA became strong recently is because people realized how strong PA aghs was
For a long time I have bought that item as a second item or 3rd and people would always be mad at me for buying aghs on PA
But as soon as pros noticed how good the aghs was it became Meta
It was a dispel in a low cool down
But most importantly is it gave you a 3 second window where you can attack someone without getting seen even with detection
What you would do is that you blur then wait for the cool down
The you jump at a support then as soon as the blur fades you blur again since aghs removed blur cast point making it so you essentially double the fade time of blur
That small window of time is usually enough to kill of one support in the enemy team
Then after you kill the support you can use blur again as a defensive tool since supports are usually far back
The distance supports has from their carries are usually just enough for the radius of blur to not fade making it so that PA was basically just an enigma and your supports couldn't even have done anything meaning you didn't need to use your BKB to pick off supports
And the carries couldn't punish PA for it
@mitchicojerao4377 you do realize it only became popular after the buff on ags where reveal for blur was 400
You didn't include that moment Where people could miss 6 times on creeps and 100% crit next hit... was funny in group stage
That's how the RNG works in the game for almost everything, the crit chance starts out well under the listed % until you get 3-4 hits, and with every miss it gets higher and higher until it finally triggers and resets.
It's mainly to prevent people from getting lucky from back-to-back crits as often, but it can be cheesed in its own right by stacking non-triggers on creeps like you said.
@@shigerufan1has it always been like that? I haven't played for a good 3 years or so, I thought I remember PAs sometimes crit multiple times in a row, atleast it didnt seem like there was any bad luck protection
@@CorruptedIt's always been pseudo-random. Except for now that her crit has been reworked. It's still pseudo-random but you can't just 'crit' now, your 'crits' give you a specific buff which guarantees that your next attack is the true crit so it is mechanically impossible to have consecutive crits now
@@kkonaklap6067 ahh, I see, thanks!
it is possible to get back to back crits, your crit attack has a chance to proc a crit again.@@kkonaklap6067
This videos are flipping brilliant mate - wish you and the team all the success!
Really great writing on this episode! That one single f-bomb had a lot of impact since it’s such a rarity. Well placed!
Fan of knives has been changed from PURE dmg to PHYSICAL dmg
and they REMOVED lifesteal from phantom strike...
@@rinnepy Haven't touched DOTA since the nerf before last TI. If Valve want's to keep my favorite hero in the gutter then they can do it without me. ;D
@@mavor101Shame on you.
@@parham1023SHAME!
@JAM95041 trust me, you don't want a video on her. That hero is the second most boring hero in this game, and much like pa is fundamentaly flawed. Fuck spectre honstly
I'm not playing nor watching Dota anymore, but these videos are just too good to miss on. I hope you keep up the good work and we can enjoy these storys.
I would love to see a video about Bounty Hunter if he has anything to offer and ever was an interesting or popular hero.
Love these videos. Gives me the itch to play Dota again and like getting the historical context!
Love the vids as always.
Suggestion for text : "upwards of x" means more than x, most of the uses of "upwards of" should have been "up to" (ex 1:00:01)
Imho chance based skills should have some baseline consistency, especially if it’s an ultimate. Maybe they could’ve nerfed the numbers and instead provide a bonus true damage in case of a missed crit, or they could have two crits - one big with low chance and one smaller with bigger chance - and in case they both triggered, the hit will only perform the big crit
"Just buy mkb guys" -Stephen Hawking
One of the best heroes in PUB games, but the worst in TI. Same as Sniper - heroes that relly on luck are mostly hated :) Good video btw. Keep them coming!
Oh Happy New Year! :D
Since these videos lean heavily on TI hero performances, some suggestions for the next videos are Gyrocopter, Magnus, Faceless Void, Tusk
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I believe faceless void has been done
@@quaweds can you link? I just checked their home page again and still didn’t see it
@@quaweds nope there isnt a void video yet
next hero is alchemist iirc
I really wanna see specter in one of the next vids. I don't know anything about Dota but it seems like a lot of really good players pick it and pop off. Great vids dude!
The reason pa was popular in 7.³³ and onward was mostly a case that the map was new gold farming to scale was not perfected or even close so going zug zug riki pa alarm and murdering people on the map worked better than farming.
Part of it was riki pa having been buffed and feeling strong but before people figured how greedy they could get away and what item timings to hit while farming and how to farm rushing with kill heroes was the meta, and the rest was trying to survive them, i.e. dawn breaker meta with a global save.
It's like an rts' build order if it's not tight it dies to a rush and doesn't macro fast enough to scale
awesome series, i hope u make an episode about my favorite hero since dota1, the faceless void :D
just wanted to say that your content is among my top 3 best content creators on the entire platform, and i dont even play dota at all.
Great editing, funny and well done voice over, clearly a passion project and it shows.
Now I want a video about Nortrom Silencer...
Thanks for the fun video. I haven't played in a while, but DotA2 is always fun to watch.
I really wish there would be some talk about some tournaments in between the international. Like Monet 1v9 rampage game and stuff like that. There are definitely patches where PA has been good even at the pro level, sadly just not at TI
TI is the only tournament that matters, and these videos are already extremely long. It's not happening.
@@mavor101TI are not the only important tournaments, because patches are released in direct response to other tournaments. You can't really get a full picture of a character's evolution of you only focus on a very tiny sample.
i remember the 6 bf builds when dagger was changed to take modifiers
this is by far the best dota related content there is right now
agree
Aren't the people who make these vids DOTA pros or something?
@@davidemelia6296 not hardly
in fact, baumi, the writer and narrator, barely plays dota nowadays outside of its community-made custom games. the quality of the scripts comes down entirely to his ability at analysis and his tenacity to sit through a frankly _mindnumbing_ amount of research
Im enjoying your videos learning about the heros and history. I played very briefly I am hot trash. Grimstroke though is my favorite character. Is he planned to have a video, or is his history not rich?
I am so glad you talked about the old WC3 blur.
Man, I cannot tell you the amount of times I've watched all these documentaries. I really can't wait to see you take on any of the Spirits or Earth Shaker. Or Lion... man, there's so many good stories to be had with this game. Oh man... Magnus is gonna be a hell of a video too.
wish you would do Legion Commander.
Still remember playing him back on release on Dota 1 and thinking that he's quite unique.
Shame, PA is my favourite hero and despite how simple she is, its always fun to play her. I wish mid PA was relevant again as it was in 2016. A video on TA would be awesome!
Lifestealer is my favorite hero, can't wait for the video on him!
N'aix was awesome!
hope he includes how Naix look in dota1. sht is so funny to new player since the melee creep model for scourge(dire) and naix share the same model.
@@takumifujiwara300 he is also an unstoppable killing machine in his very early days in dota1, a hero with 3 passive skills and a BKB for ult is fun for newbies
Naix boix naix boix
Amazing video! Can you do axe or anti-mage?
Such a nostalgia trip! Thank you!
The old slardar from 12:00 omg thats so much nostalgia 😮
Poor PA... She couldn't catch a break.
The most successful youtube strat I've ever copied and had worked was divine rapier first on PA. It's actually insane how good it was, it's an incredible damage spike that nearly no hero can deal with and it helps snowball games so fast that you can solo carry them.
I'm not convinced it would ever work in pro play, ever, but it was an insane strat based loosely around the same concept of buying divine first on medusa, a character that (at the same) had suddenly become virtually indestructible.
Ah good old PA, one of my favourite carries! (Aside from TA funnily enough)
Appreciated the time stamp
in my small town here in philippines, my buddy's and I call P.A. -Tira lang ng Tira- means Hit and Hit, coz if you stop the attacks, you wont have a chance to land critical hits, and we still believe that the faster the attack speed the frequent the crit / bash occurs.. or some mathematical .. who knows.. we only do math when it comes to pudges hooks
Would love to see a video on Visage, Nightstalker, Riki, Primal beast, or Slark. As some of my favorite heros.
Riki with Death Ward ability, please!
Excelente conteúdo! Abraços do Brasil
love this new form of content you are releasing baumi, its really refreshing
1:21:22 "I mean a single person"
Uh yeah, I'm sure they will be.
Honestly there is so much that could be done to make this hero good. But when she is good competetively, pubs become an absolute nightmare. Currently though, it's not even worth picking her for her break because Viper exists.
If I could suggest one buff though, based on when it was pointed out how bad she is at actually pushing towers unlike other carries, what if she could crit buildings?
the thing is, pa doesnt hit hard. She crits hard. If she could crit buildings, chances are she would either deal no damage because she isnt critting, or she will oneshot towers.
@@lekrieg8618Usually skills get adjusted to specifically do less damage to towers but even then a PA crit at level 18 is worth 4 and a half worth of attacks. How often do you see PA's doing a 5th of a tower's health bar in one attack to make the one shot likely if she could crit?
Crating buildings? What's next? Can she kill the fountain? U pa players have no shame, huh?
It's bad flavour wise, since I think "Coupe De Grace" means dealing a last blow on a living thing, which I'm pretty sure towers aren't. But honestly with all the skins and new reworks I doubt Valve cares about flavour.
Thing is... Her kit is so basic even now as compared to other heroes it won't matter if she can crit buildings or have deal 5m crit... She can be rendered useless by the most basic mid tier item...
Dude this content is actually incredible, I can't even imagine the effort you put into these and I am ever grateful for it. I actually watch these over and over because of the soothing voice if nothing else lol.
PA is like a league of legends champion stuck in a dota game. Her kit is just so underpowered
Exactly 😂! She reminds me of those lame ass sh!t LoL champions!
quite frankly she'd probably be a helluva lot better if she _was_ like a league champ, because then she'd drop the passive evasion in return for a reliable burst combo, or swap it for an active 100% evasion buff that _doesn't_ get turned off by a single item + likely just have far better baseline tankiness in general
also an actual ult. coup would not survive five seconds on a league champ's kit, not beyond being a passive component of another ability that just gave bonus crit damage for free. possibly as an innate ability that's automatically skilled at level 1 and scales automatically with levels. even if she remained a melee rightclicker, the sorta shit league gives its melee rightclickers is stuff like yi's _massive_ attack and move speed boost + slow immunity that can last as long as he keeps getting kills, tryndamere's troll ult that can be cast through _any_ cc, olaf just becoming fully immune to any and all cc as long as he keeps hitting things _on top of_ getting a significant amount of attack damage, fiora obliterating a single enemy champ by playing ring-around-the-rosie, warwick flinging himself across the entire screen to dismember whoever he lands on, and yone just outright having a teamfight initiation ult on the level of ghost ship that also blinks him directly on top of the backline
i have no idea what kinda ult you could give pa to make her work in league and still have it fit her, but i have full confidence that you could then port this theoretical league pa back into dota and she'd be _significantly_ better for it
@@hi-i-am-atan LeL! Nope. She would be even worse if she first appeared in LoL and jumped into Dota. Like all the lame ass sh!t LoL champs, she'd get wrecked instantly in the world of Dota.
I guess you can say that
Assassin class characters are really that welcome in Dota
Thankyou for another great video. Though I cant become a member to support you financially, hopefully my like and view to your videos may help your channel.
Keep it up guys.
Sorry that you had to do so much research on PA Baumi, but awesome video as usual.
Finally!!!!!!!! Excited to watch this one.
Pros: "Just buy MKB" "Just buy Silver Edge"
My pub teammates: "Instructions unclear. Gave PA a Rampage."
This is the problem that every assassin has in a game like this, they either dont do the assassin thing, or they get in a valuable squishy dies before they can do anything and then they get out. League has the same problem with lots of its assassins which osciliate from being trash to overwhelming and then back to trash
Great content!
seriously i love this channel but how do i miss these uploads
making a character based entirely on crits is just a plain awful idea
How about a skeleton that can go invisible
Its weird that with her kit being full of incredible single target damage, she should be a mid game terror, killing heroes all over the map and using that momentum to carry through the late game. Instead it seems like dagger and blur are used as mediocre farming tools to turn her into an unreliable late game carry where her crits either instantly win the fight or lose it.
Instead of this uninteractable playstyle I'd say they they should revert her blur and ulti, and give her something to push her early/mid ganking power. Maybe if blur gave some good movespeed while she's off the minimap for faster roaming and she got a reward for chasing kills such as a permanent attack speed buff which if she got into late game, would mean she attacks fast enough that the likelihood of her critting before dying is higher. Would really encourage that unique and fun style that Phoenix had, and instead off thinking "oh PA is off the map, she must be farming" you're thinking "oh god PA is off the map, is she about to jump me?"
Another idea that could giving the ult an active ability that lets her guarantee one crit on a 30-40s cool down so she can contribute at least one kill on a valuable target, but can't just hide and wait for the buff before jumping in for the entire fight.
She just needs too many items. Needs two-three items to fight and the midgame has just passed her by at that time. BKB is just far too core to her kit. Maybe if blur gave debuff immunity for .5-1s
She is too reliant on BKB, and even then, especially after BKB's nerf, she is incredibly easy to blow up.
It's funny watching these videos and seeing the characters that inspired LOL champions.
what LOL champion did phantom assassin inspire?
@@sadpee7710 Katarina she reminds me of. Dagger toss, blink to champs and resets all abilities on champion takedown.
What's that other LoL ninja, Akali?
@@lachlank.8270 if you mean actual ninja, there's four, of which katarina is not one
if you mean assassin, there's 17-19 depending on where you draw the line, of which only two are ninja
if you mean specifically _female_ assassins, that drops it down to 5-6, of which akali is the only ninja
and yes, this does mean that 50% of the ninja in league are not assassins. one's a tank that's most directly comparable to dawnbreaker!
@@yourdad6236ah i see. i think katarina was released before phantom assassin was in dota 2 tho. although they could have been inspired by dota 1 ig.
i can see the resemblance conceptually.
>being aggressive is a totally new style of play
Do these dudes not play pubs ever?
great video, stories of league could be interesting
See i love these videos and they get me hyped to play. Then i play 3 games and remember why i quit
Ngl I put the videos
I watched when I can't sleep because your voice is calm and you don't scream
0:25 pretty sure 6 slotted Drow does quite a bit more DPS than phantom assassin
when will there be a video about sven rough knight
9:30
“ coup de grass”
french pronunciation
Amazing as always
Great content
Ahhh time flies doesn't it.
I really liked watching mvp phoenix.
Qo sladar and pa is so iconic
Forev always connect that huge teamfight spell whether its call, vacum , or blackhole
Dubu and febby will always rotate to seek blood
Honestly in my memory tell me that qo pos 1 since mp later played mid in secret but thanks to make me remember this guy is that only madman who play pa as mid
I'm pretty sure one of the reasons DotA 1 got decontinued and Stiffing Dager turned into an attack around the same era was due to Warcraft not having support for instant attacks, wich later became a huge part of Dota 2 and a lot of heroes like Monkey King, Pangolier andHoodwink
29:09 small typo int gain went from 1 to 1.4 not from 1 to 4.
I'll never forget tripple critting the enemy carry within half a second. (Dager, w before dagger lands, dagger actually lands and right after another attack) we won a game we were behind on from that.
pls make one for ember, the hero literally won tons of games in TI. the most reliable and flashy hero
I'm excited for the new PA to be in TI
Kinda wish there's a team quantity limit to BKB because the games get so homogenous at the end
Great vid Boomi. Can u make these vids on Spotify?
cannot wait.... 😭😭😭😭
Ah PA the hero that gets countered by 1 item 😂
Lol typical herald
Effectively imposing an item tax on the opponent's carries is not a bad thing, the main issue is with how good MKB is outside of the true strike property.
Or simply lack of luck
@@jazzy4830the thing is: evasion is such a popular universal defensive option, inbuilt to a lot of items, that not having MKB is a rare sight.
that item is worth 6k gold brother
putting a 6k gold tax to another carry is not bad
Good video, Sven when?😊
I disagree the lifesteal on W was a massive buff, you can play aggressively while being able to survive early fights. Also made her able a bit more tanky. Which is why they removed it because literally a nice massive buff that made her a bit stronger.
This hero has a special place to my heart ever since i play dota when im in highschool, knowin this game from my bestfriend, play it together and learn it.
I miss so much that day when she become powerful, even without spesific item, but for now, she drownin again cz of that aghs nerf (blur nerf is slightly ok to me since i play her really carefully)
I think towards the end It became personal the "compliments"
I wish I can erase my memories of these videos so I can watch them again
My favorite videos and of course my favorite heroes for pub
some TI powerhouses you havent covered yet: earthshaker, tidehunter, chen, naga, morphling
Waiting for Phantom Lancer now 🙏🏽
What happened to the video around 7:10?
35:30 the audio is desynced too :/
Would be cool to see monkey king...i remember he was so op for quite a while
Nullifier is a double edged sword since it could also be used against other carries to prevent them from gaining buffs from their allies (like linkens or medallion), making them harder to keep alive during a teamfight.
Isn't that the entire point of the item? What "other edge" of the sword are you referring to?
@@cliffworsfold1994using it on support and using it on carries. Two edges :)
@@bodasdan3209 saying double edged means that if one thing has advantages it also have a disadvantage, so how is it a negative if nulifier also had another use to counter enemies?
“battlefury is a double edged sword as on one hand it can aid you in farming well, but on the other hand (edge) it can harm your item timings leaving you weaker on teamfights” is a proper way to use the quote
@@yuhan4469 PA will also be the carry that it is used against, in the video Baumi only mentions how it benefits PA and not how it can be used to isolate her from her own supports.
@@shigerufan1 you didn't mention PA on your original commeng so I guessed you talked about pa building it to isolate the ENEMY carry from the support, my bad I get what you're saying
It would be really helpful if you also showed the champions presence in the championships because I don't really know how high those numbers are because I don't know how many games there were. Like if the champ got banned once and picked once in 10 games then the champ had 20% presence.
Until the latest TI, we've had around 160 games per tournament. However, due to the structure of the tournament, it's not as relevant - you have a marathon round robin group stage whose meta is often distinct from the main stage double elimination bracket. Most meta heroes will hover around the same contest rate - somewhere around 70%. Most off meta heroes will have wild variation in their pick rates depending on how much they were picked by a successful team - MVP Phoenix's TI6 run shows this. Since the meta almost never solidifies as much as it does in League, where optimization excludes far more heroes from viability, the differences in pick/ban rates are less useful as a statistic.
In short, Dota is too chaotic to gather much info from overall statistics.
@@rafaelmarkos4489 Even if that is the case I would still want to know just out of curiosity...
I need one of these for Warlock
Hoping for an invoker video soon!
Just make her ultimate usable by demand, like bash or other passives with a possibility to decrease cooldown.
Nice story
she still fun
Can u make clinkz
Nice vid
Early 2013 I love her just vanguard threads divine finish game early
47:10 -4 amor corruption 💔
Love these videos. DOTA2 so good. Thank you Ice Frog!
I am going to say it, phantom assassin needs a full on rework. the video made me really sad for her.
Very nice Video.
Even a nice Podcast if you dont have the time to spare to watch it.