The Problem With The Straight Razor Community
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2024
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Razor: Custom Gold Dollar
Stone: Shohonyama Goto Takashima Asagi & Mejiro Mikawa Nagura
Drink: Coke Zero
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Thanks for posting this. I have been in the hobby for more then ten years now. I am starting to get tired of all the push back I sometimes get. I was even called a bully by a moderator just for giving my opinion about something that was in my opinion clearly wrong.
Thank you JPO, I think you're one of the last people I would consider a bully. If anything you're one of the most helpful guys i've seen on the forum. Hopefully with time this will change, I think for new guys like me it can really throw them off.
A remember a guy getting banned from all the knife forums about 8 years ago. I remember coming accross posts all over those sites by that guy. I think he was a college professor, some field of science i think. In fact, most of my knowledge of sharpening & what blade geometry does is due to that guy. I never asked but also never figured out what got him banned. He seemed polite enough on the forums. And what he posted was interesting if not useful and was based in materials science and physics.
"It's none of your business how a man takes his whiskers off". Well said! I may have to borrow that 🙏👍👍
@@Tobins_throwbacks hehe I impressed myself when I said it actually, thanks for watching my friend
Bravo! I have been on the SR path for about 20 years, plus. Forums are a fantastic source of information. The more you learn about SR , the more you want to participate in the discussions... that's were things can get less fun and inviting. If people want SR to grow, they have to be more tolerant to the questions and experiences of new people sharing their experience's and discussions. I do this as a hobby because its of historical interest and as a good way to perfect a simple shave. My passion is with Wade & Butcher. The big smiley with the notch " for barbers use" on the blade. I started making my own due to the expense and rarity of the larger blades. I also made my own hones of natural and synthetic, all the way down into the void including the "Frictionite" with the spessartine garnets. Each has a place in the world of SR, a rabbit hole well worth the exploration and participation. Cheers.
Man I agree with everything you said and I’m impressed that you made your own hones! I’m here to have fun and learn and I think new guys want a nicer more welcoming community that isn’t filled with drama from the past. You sir are 100% correct. Cheers my friend
These are my thoughts having been in the hobby for a year now.
I hope you can respect that this is my opinion and I will respect yours.
Treat others the way you want to be treated and if not then it was nice knowing you!
Cheers
Agree, why the pissing competition? Natural vs. synthetic, flat vs. convex.. if the guy in the mirror gets a good shave, what does it matter how he got there. I look to learn from all, to then make an educated decision what works for me. But what works for me doesn't necessarily have to work for the next guy.. //J
Spot on! Loving all the comments here, you guys are phrasing it way better than I did haha but its exactly that, we all have different preferences but we can all be happy with what works for each individual.
Other than Reddit and Lemmy, I don't participate much in social groups or forums online, but there must be a variety of places centered around shaving and which include straight razor shaving and sharpening. From the outside looking in, it seems to me that if you want to discuss a topic that you are passionate about, you can find a group who will welcome you. The only reason I can think of to stay in a group that is contentious toward you, or your point of view, is that you like the drama. If every group you join treats you negatively, look inward.
@@greggallant5058 I agree my friend that is why I’m leaning more towards the UA-cam space and not so much those forums… I enjoy the attitude in the video making space… as a new guy coming in it seems to be what’s best for the hobby
You should come over to the folding knife community/ sharpening community. Probably the best people over there.
I’m looking into it actually, I have some folding knives that need some love hehe
Thats funny, my grandfather used to sharpen his straight razor on a concrete wall. At the end of the day we use whatever works easier and faster.
@@phsyckomantis yes my friend! We are the ones shaving with our tools, no need to attack others for how they shave their whiskers hehe. Have a good Sunday my friend!
Well thought out discussion. Much respect for your honest take and opinion. Solid video.
Thank you Eric! It's been something that has been in my mind, at the end of the day we are just shaving whiskers and having a good time shaving with our friends! Cheers
Good video Sean. I’ve been at this for just about eight years now and there’s always been some drama somewhere. I learned to ignore it and move on. Like you said, at the end of the day we’re all just shaving whiskers off our face. Thank you for sharing your opinion. Have a great weekend.
@@subtleartsoapco thank you my friend! I really like the space here on UA-cam, a lot of great guys sharing amazing content and tips without the negativity
@@seanstapelfeld
As it should be.
@seanstapelfeld I've had the same experience in regards to the forums vs UA-cam.
@@Tobins_throwbacks I’ve heard a large amount of people say they have experienced this as well. Hopefully it will change in the future! Happy shaving my friend
Trust me when I say this, forums have hostility in ANY communities. There is just something about forums that brings something out in certain people. But as you say there are and were a lot of great people I met through the years on forums. My knowledge of straight razors is very limited, I'm more of a knife, steel & sharpening guy.
@@Cid_1 Thanks for the comment, you’re right on the mark, at the end of the day we have to choose what environment we want. That sounds right up my alley! Do you make content on sharpening and knives my friend?
@@seanstapelfeld You are very welcome. No I don't make any content at the moment. I just really enjoy the hobby, and I find sharpening super relaxing and enjoyable. I do try to keep up with other's content though, as there is so much knowledge to be learned. The knife community is very welcoming and friendly, especially here on youtube. Keep up the good work, you sound like a very reasonable person so I subbed to your channel.
@@Cid_1 thank you for those kind words my friend!
I have no idea why the algorithm gave me this video, but it's great that problems like these exist and people get passionate about it!
They get so passionate about it my friend! Sometimes it’s funny but sometimes you just have to tell them to stop haha because at the end of the day we are just shaving hair of our face and some guys just get to intense about how you do it… it’s not a big deal hehe cheers my friend and thanks for watching.
The straight razor forums were more active about 20 years ago, Straight Razor Place, Badger and Blade, Razor and Stone. In my experience, razor and knife sharpening dicourse is prone to degrade into vitriolic disagreement. At that time, Lynn Abrams was the straight razor honing guru. Perhaps there being so many ways to sharpen an edge and so few objective means for evaluation of results is a cause. What type of honed edge feels best for you may not feel best for me. Fortunes can be spent on stones, especially natural stones. Different straight razors also feel different. After many trials, I finally settled on Henckels Friodurs. They are forgiving with reasonable care yet still take a nice edge, in my opinion. I do not have to keep worrying about rust.
I like your comment and I’ve watched some Lynn Abram’s videos, seems like those were the glory days with straight razor place. I’m still finding what I like, I have a wedge, hollow grounds and Framebacks but so far hollow grounds are my favorite. With stones of course I have synthetics but when it comes to naturals either jnat or coticule seems to be my favorite choice… one day I might feel like I want a coti edge and other days I want a jnat. I love being able to choose and have diversity. Thanks for sharing my friend!
Thanks for the heads up. I have been wet shaving with a safety razor for several years. Recently I have practice honed an old SR and am about to buy my first one. I will stay off the forums for now. Cheers.
Yes my friend! I think if you stay with the UA-cam community you will do so much better. This is just my advice being in the straight razor community for a year now. Cheers! I’m not a DE guy but I’m very much interested.
Hi Sean very nice hone video!
And much true speaking!
I'm at the beginning with straight razors. I have behind me my first 30 +- shaves! I love watch Jacques from Depper Shaves in South Africa. And John June from England. John was also my mentor at the start.
Both great mentors! I have learned so much from both of them. I really enjoy the energy in the youtube space, I have been moving away from forums a little bit but I still know there are great people in them for sure!
@@seanstapelfeld Forums aren't really my thing, I can't explain it but it's just not for me. I watch a lot of people to see how they do it. John was the one who gave me private and free lessons, so to speak. With tips and tricks and above all how! I think the most important thing is that you use your brain. And not just start doing it, respect that but don't be afraid. And we have deals with each other. I send him something and he sends me something. And I watch Jacques. And the other day John said, now I'm going to send you a stone so that you can learn it too, and I said something like... ok John. He replied, don't be afraid, you have me and you can't ruin it so much that I can't fix it. You're not an idiot 😂
@@RobertsClassicShave If you're getting guidance from John then I know you will do great with that stone! I agree with john just do it my friend hehe
@@seanstapelfeld 😂
I wouldn't say that SR shaving is failing but it definitely isn't being helped by some of the more vocal members on the larger wet shaving forums.
I have been SR shaving daily now for about 5 years now. A couple of years ago I started running free hands-on SR shaving classes in my local community. So far I have had 19 "graduates", 15 of whom have continued on with this gentlemanly art.
What I try to instill in my students is that there is no wrong way or right way to SR shave. They need to find what works best for them and their style of shaving.
The beauty of teaching SR shaving is that I also learn a lot from my students.
@@milton3224 I went a little over the top with the thumbnail to captivate viewers hehe
I agree with you 100% and that’s how it should be, I’m really impressed with the work you’re doing with the hobby and helping newcomers out, we need more people like you my friend!
Is there q place I can learn more about the work you’re doing? Cheers and happy Saturday
Lol, there's a community to drive sales for literally everything.
So true!
Bro the best way i sharpen a razor is a tiny glass bowl, you just put it in and twirl it around with your finger it's called a lillicraps hone, give it a try or let us know what you think if you have used one 👍
Oh! I think I have seen some shorts on that type of hone. It’s very interesting to watch, do they still make those? They seem to be vintage
Great video and thoughts my brother.
Thank you my friend!
You made some really great points... I'm now sub'd 😊
@@gnomeoshaves4641 thank you my friend! This has been my experience being 1 year into the hobby and I’m glad to listen to everybody. At least I’m not the only one who felt that way haha cheers my friend
Great discussion.
@@borbelyhaz321 thank you my friend!
i got a Straight Razor , but was not able to get it sharp enogf to shave well .. mayby was the cheap blade mayby the cheap stone or my teckinque , well at the end , i got a Straight Razor with disposable blades , work well for me , :)
@@darkphotographer if you send me an email at “sean.stapelfeld@gmail.com” maybe we can work me sending you a straight razor honed by me at no cost to you my friend!
@@seanstapelfeld thanks wery much for the offter but am in europe greece , if you are base in us , it will cost you a lot i think :) will still send you e mail :)
@@darkphotographer yeah get in touch my friend
Nice stone and good technique!
Thank you my friend, I am loving honing on natural whetstones!
I have known Bill M. from the forums and am a subscriber to his channel. He is a decent guy. He is definitely passionate about convex honing, but doesn't care how anyone sharpens their razors, unlike some who consider flat honing the only and correct way.
Bill is a great guy! When I was starting with convex honing he gave me his number and would help me with my questions, I think I wasted like 2 hours of his time and he was very helpful. Cheers my friend!
lmao i just used a leather strop and the hairs popped, i didnt realize dudes get insane serious about it. if i had a stone id use it, but i had a strop so i used that.
That’s awesome my friend and oh yes! I’ve been in this community about a year now and they can get super aggressive if you don’t agree with how they sharpen their razors and stuff like that haha hopefully in the future it changes! Cheers my friend
How was the edge on that Beaver wedge? I don’t do forum stuff just for the reasons you mentioned. I stick to UA-cam and that’s about it. I think places like forums or other social networks lack true mediation and there’s always drama. Drama is definitely not what I like in any hobby. I think any method to making a shaving edge should be accepted whether convex, flat, or any other way out there. People should have respect for one another no matter what since we all share the same love for the wet shaving/honing hobby.
@@Johnny-Five I like how well you put it my friend! I agree 100% my dad always taught us to treat others the way we want to be treated and that can be applied in all aspects of life even this hobby.
Nice honing session and good commentary.
@@longhaultanker thank you Leon! I need to make another one like this but talking about the rainbow mafia
I'll never throw shade at someone for their interests and hobbies. I have my own hobbies and I'm under no illusion that they're better, more worthy or more interesting than anyone else's hobbies.
But I've tried this and it just does not appeal to me. I just cannot justify the time and expense involved when a 35¢ yellow plastic Bic razor, some barbasol and 5 minutes achieves the same result. Pamper yourself with lavender soaps and steamed face towels, life is short and you deserve it, I totally understand. It's just not for me.
The funny thing is that I agree with everything you said, I’m 27 years old and work way too much so this has become my time of peace and quiet where I can relax. Either I’m taking my time to shave or taking my time to sharpen… my mind goes blank and no time slows down from the usual face paced world we live in now a days. Cheers my friend, what are some of your hobbies?
People call me eccentric because I use the same type of safety razor my father used (I'm 75 now). I don't like electric or disposables but this is beyond...I'm curious.
I would love to have razors from my family but sadly the only thing I have is my great grandfathers shaving brush and I don’t use it often because I don’t want to damage it but I like that a lot, shaving with family members razors is just a legacy thing in my opinion. Cheers my friend
Just get a Norelco and leave all this drama behind. Life's too short to argue about something people were doing in 1740.
Hahaha I like that! Awesome content and true my friend
why am i here lmao
@@wildest1293 😂😂