Codex Chaos Space Marines 10th Edition - Full Rules Review
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
- Let's talk about the offerings of the Dark Gods with an overview of Chaos Space Marines in their 10th edition codex!
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0:00 Intro
0:52 Contents
2:53 Dark Pacts
5:07 Cult Marines + Allies
6:30 Detachments
8:27 Deceptors - Core Rule
10:11 Deceptors - Stratagems
14:10 Deceptors - Enhancements
16:58 Renegade Raiders - Core Rule
18:11 Renegade Raiders - Stratagems
22:12 Renegade Raiders - Enhancements
24:15 Chaos Cult - Core Rule
26:26 Chaos Cult - Stratagems
21:18 Chaos Cult - Enhancements
34:13 Veterans of the Long War - Core Rule
35:22 Veterans of the Long War - Stratagems
39:51 Veterans of the Long War - Enhancements
42:15 Fellhammer Siege Host - Core Rule
43:25 Fellhammer Siege Host - Stratagems
46:53 Fellhammer Siege Host - Enhancements
49:21 Dread Talons - Core Rule
51:41 Dread Talons - Stratagems
57:43 Dread Talons - Enhancements
59:42 Soulforged Warpack - Core Rule
1:02:20 Soulforged Warpack - Stratagems
1:07:45 Soulforged Warpack - Enhancements
1:11:07 Pactbound Zealots - Core Rule
1:13:55 Pactbound Zealots - Stratagems
1:18:04 Pactbound Zealots - Enhancements
1:20:51 Detachment Thoughts
1:22:10 Added and Removed Datasheets
1:24:17 Points (pending)
1:25:33 Datasheet Themes
1:27:00 Cultist Firebrand
1:29:00 Chaos Lord with Jump Pack
1:30:53 Infantry Units
1:41:42 Damned Units and Spawn
1:50:35 Vehicle Units
1:54:54 Daemon Engines
2:01:23 Transport + Fortification
2:02:54 Character Datasheets
2:14:37 Epic Heroes
2:23:43 Closing Thoughts + First Impressions
2:25:39 Outro - Ігри
CORRECTIONS:
- Deceptors Soul Link isn't once per game, it's potentially each command phase if you want it. My error there!
- Warmasters Gift is critical wounds on a 5+ (I thought hits). Could be ok for a daemon hammer, but not super exciting.
Let me know if I've missed anything else, I'm sure there'll be a few bits in a book this big.
Transformers themed alpha legion army named "The Deceptorcons" is def my next big project.
Also Iron Fortitude is only for ranged attacks, I don't think you mentioned that
warmasters gift (veterans enhancement) is critical wounds, not critical hits
even the new chaos symbol sucks ...
I'm a bit confused after seeing the Obliterators slide in your video and reading about the range nerf in the Goonhammer codex review. How can't Obliterators get the melta bonus damage out of deep strike? Deep strike allows a unit to come onto the board within 9" of enemy units which would be half the now 18" range of the Obliterators melta profile. Does this have more to do with a desire to keep Obliterators further back from the enemy lines rather than an actual restriction to getting melta damage out of deep strike?
We're so Backshtorr
Iron! Iron within. Iron without.
chaos space marine chapter or drycleaning business
@@jamestoney6108 why not both? 🤔
The cultist thing is a shame, and it's disappointing they didn't get a reinforcements strategy, since armies that use a lot of suicide units really need them. You can certainly do some interesting things with characters buffing Accursed Cultists, but I have a horrible feeling it'll still work out too pricey to really work.
I feel like the Lord of Skulls in Soulforged is going to be pretty scary, it's pretty tricky to ignore or screen something with that many guns which will usually be hitting on 2+ if he's got a Warpsmith in tow. The free counter-offensive on Defilers is going to make people sit up and take notice too, it's already something you'd be a bit wary to tangle with in melee but now you've really got to mean it or you're going to get slapped very, very hard.
The free Overwatch from the Traitor Enforcer if he shoots someone in his own squad gets my vote for most baffling change in the book. It might be quite useful, but it makes sod all sense.
I think the Red Corsairs detachment is arguably the best. The amount of synergies it has with basically everything within the dex is immense. -3 Warp Talons for one, Reaver's Haste (+1 to charge objective targets). The fact it has it's own armour of contempt. Or Dark Pacted Terminators with a Sorc leading it, -2 bolters essentially, re-rolling hits, re-rolling charges and +1 for Reaver's Haste. Pair that up with 1 or two Reaper Autocannons for -3!
Shows how little sense the codex team has. I have faith in the balance team, they will fix this nonsense.
@@lohikaarmeherra-1753 REEEEEDDDD COOOORRRSSSAIIIRS BAYYYYBEEEEE, SPACE PIRATE TIME!
It's kinda like Power Armored Drukhari not quite but sorta
It's definitely the best detachment in the book
It will get nerfed and the other detachments will suffer because of it. I don’t get why they get bonus ap on objectives but night lords have to battleshock a unit and spend a cp like who writes this shit lol
I want to play with the alpha legion detachment SOOOO BADLY!
Hydra Dominatus, brother!
I'm probably gonna be one of the three people who is going to miss it but I'm sad the Exalted Champ's gone. I've had a character model I've been running one as ever since the edition started and I love the secondary buffs it usually gave for chosen bombs. My pre-book list for example had both a lord and a champ running with 10 chosen, undivided with the liber hereticus. Just an absolute delete button when I needed it.
Nah I’m with you. Him with Chosen and Fabius was just great.
QWQ i miss him too
I miss it as well. Oh, well. Guess Atlos the Furious got promoted to Chaos Lord.
Also was running a Exalted Champion+Chosen unit,and tô put more salt on the wound, I just finished a Kitbash for another Champion for my Emp Children
Thank you, sir Auspex, sir! I have a long morning ahead painting Necron terrain for the club Crusade, this is going to be the perfect background.
Phil is that you? XD if not, there's a Phil in our Crusade that just got a bunch of giant Necron terrain a month or so ago. 6 people, 2 space marines 2 T'au Necrons and Nids.
@thomashowe1583 sorry, Leo here, nice to know the narrative play is alive and well tho!
We're one Necron, three Space Marines, two Grey Knights, one Admech, one Drukhari, one Tyranid, one GSC and me, that as I'm the game master I'm playing Thousand Sons 😀
Its 2 am, and this just dropped. I guess I didn't need sleep anyways
Auspex is a god robot, go to sleep, blah blah blah predictable top comment 😅
Aw man, it was my turn to praise him and get a bunch of likes!
Mom said it's my turn with the sleepless auspex joke
Auspex is the real Omnissiah
Realistically, he's as productive as we help him to be with our support. He's a reflection of his communities dedication to how hard he's willing to work. I think it says good thing about him and us :D
Yeah the simping has really gone out of hand
I would argue traitor guard aren't bad at shooting. the +1 ap to their lasguns is a threat! Don't underestimate it.
It essentially makes then bolt rifles, which are mediocre at best.
@@felipearias5622 Although it's pretty funny/sad that traitor guard basically have an intercessor squad's output by that argument, or MORE since there's more bodies per point.
Stratagem to shoot with pistol profile just in enemy face is fun :D
IW: I have 4 reaper chaincannons tied to your 20 body chaff in melee
AM: Haha! You can't shoot to rip them appart now!
IW: On the contrary, it means I don't have to aim now-
AM: AW FU-
The only thing that hurts me is the cultists wargear... O O F
But yeah I guess I'll run them as guardsmen
the heavy stubber and grenade launcher is still in the kit that sells the firebrand dude. as are the autoguns. this change makes zero sense. and my salt is definitely not influenced by the fact I just bought a 20 (now locked to melee) strong unit.
another codex i'll be disregarding. thanks, gw
@@vostyok6030 that is the thing, the firebrand is going to be sold by itself for 30-40 usd.
@@tdlainc.4737 lol yeah. why didn't i think of that?? another 1pp dollar mini! just what we need!
@@vostyok6030that kit with the extra weapons isn’t in current production. No kit, no rules sort of issue
@timunderbakke8756 I miss old GW where they even used told people to use other miniature they sold to represent something. When the first lost and the damned list came out they told people to buy the old cadian models and mix them with the chaos sprue to make mutants, or mix them with an ork Boyz box. How hard is it to sell a chaos sprue that could be used with the new cadian box? Apparently very for GW.
Cypher getting his pistols in melee is so cool. No idea how good he is but thats just sick as hell.
Just a quick heads up for Element Games in the UK for pre orders of battleforce boxes is that due to limited stock online pre orders will not happen, just like the Custodies Orks battleforce sets.
Got an email last time when I asked saying this following:
"Due to Games Workshop sending us a very limited amount of these, sadly they will not be available for pre-order.
The few we are receiving will be available in-store on the day of release, on a first come/first served basis."
Renegade Raiders looks brutal. I can already see so many possibilities.
I hope this comes to some discount to the units given that they overall do less damage than before and have slightly rules changes, especially chosen, abaddon, chaos sorcerer, helldrake, and defiler…
The rules are really fun and seem overall strong no matter which detachment, I’m happy
It won't. This is GW we're talking about.
Cultist mobs losing their ranged weapons is a huge pain and very disappointing. I personally have about about 40 of them but I know there are people out there with 100+ GW plastic cultist models. They decided to put out an extremely lazy cultist box with no options and now we're all stuck with it.
Wish they would make an upgrade sprue with the autoguns as the new models are amazing
Someone in gw thinks lord discordant is a flyer unit.
I do want to add, Predator Destructors in Raiders detachment can have some pretty insane infantry clear ability off objectives. If you take heavy bolters and the main gun, they're hitting infantry at AP-3 on objectives and with assault they can easily get into positions to hit them hard. Onto things like Custodes and terminators in cover you're either forcing CP or just putting them straight on their invulns.
If you wanted to be really nasty and delete a large unit of marines off an objective you could pair a Termi sorcerer for AP-4 heavy bolters and autocannons xD tell me that doesn't sound like a bit of fun!
I kinda wish that Dread Talons would get actual buffs or debuffs based on battle shock, like +1 to hit or wound roll against battle shocked units, or enemy battle shocked units getting -1 to hit or wound.
For the Mortal Thralls strategem in the Chaos Cult detachment, it says Heretic Astartes unit, which means you could use it to soak up anti-tank fire shooting your Land Raider, Lord of Skulls or something else worth a lot!
Have a cultist mob designated to follow around something like a daemon prince with wings, advance and keep up with it using the desperate pacts until you get the prince into a position to fly charge a high value target. If any cultists are left use them like the chaff they are to tarpit anything that might try to charge the prince , I love it
a genuine Traitor Guard/Cultist army is one of the things that has been on my list for starting chaos and this is my sign.
Chaos Space Marines is an army I expect to be elite and thereby expensive points wise.
Why do so many nerfs requiring further points reductions to compensate.
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Detatchments are miles better than the loyalist ones, but YOU need point reductions? 😅
@lohikaarmeherra-1753 Auspex Tactics mentions on multiple occasions in the video X uni has had a rules change, nerfed and will need a points change to compensate.
CSM should be a pts expensive army with scary rules to match.
I agree that the detactments are far better than the loyalist ones.
So, the CSM units should be costed in a manner where 1 CSM unit is equal to 1.5 up to 2 SM units and have the rules to match that value.
Why do people assume that bad rules will lead to points cuts lol they have toned the last few detachments maybe sucking is just the new normal
@davidcox6454 This leads into a different conversation about every army being more horde rather than elite.
How many Space Marine bodies of either type does one need to fill out a 1k or 2k list?
The sorcerer in terminator armour is really spicy. Death hex is just amazing. I will play 2 of these
in fellhammer you can plonk the warptracer on his bolter🤫
Vashtorr+helbrute+3 venomcrawlers in soulforge detachment sounds fun! 12 shots at S7 will have venomcrawlers wounding T12 vehicles on 4s and with the double dark pact ability on the helbrute that could do serious damage to vehicles.
I think you didn't get both buffs from soulforge dark pact. Normal dark pact and you get sustained or lethal hits, when contracted you get +1 to wound on range or +2 melee attacks
I got auspex tactics tattooed on my babies face
Thanks for the breakdown of the book. These are always super helpful
plague marines in the iron warriors detachment seem nice; -1 to wound on t5 models, you've got the 5+ fnp strat too which is quite efficient. just sucks as a death guard player that plague marines are tankier *outside* of death guard than in
I am actually saddened with the removal of the Exalted Champion. I have fallen in love with the model during the Index since I could squad it up with a Chaos Lord and Chosen unit. The whole unit would just become a big blender of attacks. While it won't change much in the blender, it's still a piece that's now missing.
I ran mine with Huron. Axe bros no more...
I like a lot of the rules, but I'm still frustrated with the loss of autoguns on cultists. They were still selling the BSF kit last edition and half of my Dark Vengeance cultists are useless. Other wargear changes are also pretty bizarre, the new Chaos Lord is weirdly limited with his options and gets no benefits for picking up the power fist (unlike Gravis Captain who gets extra attacks) and can't take a simple bolt pistol.
The weird purge of thunderhammers and lightning claws happened to a bunch of marine units too. They're not even the best options most of the time I just think they're neat
Congrats, your cultists have evolved into Traitor Guard. You still have a datasheet to run those models with. And now Cultists are easier to buy and model for literally everyone who hasnt picked up a horde of them.
Cultist modeling was in a really weird place, cause they really wanted to run 3x special weapons per 10, but those special weapons weren't actually sold. But for 5 point chaff models, it wasn't worth the effort to bits source and kitbash. Blackstone Cultists were also solid in squads of 7, really awkward to buy for the purpose of tabletop play.
@@Julian-cn1ey Except the traitor guard don't have the same options as the autogun cultists and are, clearly, not the same unit? Cultists did not get "easier to buy", buying cultists is exactly as difficult now as it was before the new codex, what's "easier" is for people to be meta chasers, that's it. There was no requirement to run the specials, or the autos.
Ridiculous.
@@TRENCHESandTREADS If I buy a box off the shelf, I want to be able to use it optimally as of time of purchase, and I want to have all of the options that unit can run. I don't have any desire to need to buy two to three more boxes or second hand bits purchases, after I already bought an overpriced sheet or two of plastic.
Sorry your kitbashes got squished, but this change makes the tabletop easier to get into for everyone else who wants to buy into Cultists from here on out. With models having a singular pricetag, their points costs are reflecting the optimal loadout of that model. There has been 0 incentive at all to run melee and autopistols compared to autoguns+specials for the entire edition (hell, in this weird pre-codex interm period, massed gun cultists with mark of Tzeentch seems pretty optimal as an army build), and you'd be basically just nerfing your army's capacity by opting into running the melee cultists right out of the box.
40k is an absurdly hard game to get into, in terms of logistics, artistic skill, army building stratagy, tabletop stratagy, etc. GW doesn't need to make it artificially harder by telling players to pound sand and run a shit loadout if they aren't willing to shell out more money for more kits and bits.
@@Julian-cn1ey "Sorry your kitbashes got squished" You mean "Sorry you can't use official GW miniatures which were still being sold within the last two years." right? Autogun and ranged cultists have been available for years from GW, the fact that GW wasn't selling them now is their problem (and yours apparently).
The rest of your post I already addressed, it only matters for meta chasers, period. Their is no 'optimal' requirement, nor should their be, and this is the exact kind of attitude that saw options being removed all over the place because they didn't 'fit' in the box. Ridiculous.
Thanks very much for going over this. There are some very interesting new rules in here, along with some questionable choices. I am pleased with the Fellhammer detachment for my army and I'm glad I have a few other choices now as well.
On one hand, I want to paint my CSM as Alpha Legion.
On the other, I wanna play that Vashtorr army with all the big chaos machines.
Hey man, that's the nice thing about tenth edition, paint your army how you want because detachments aren't locked to paint schemes!
All CSM armies are Alpha Legion aren't they?
All armies are Alpha Legion aren’t they?
That's the beauty of it, alpha legion use any and all strategies do why not,m
All are Alpha Legion aren't they?
Now hold up 2:02:02 The noctilith crown gives a +1 Leadership, that’d be great for dark pacts and pactbound zealots!
I am pleased that my boys look strong and versatile this go around. Thumbs up, GW. A rare W.
That dread talons detachment is sad. They could have done some cool stuff with it like if your going to make it a battleshock detachment (which sucks) you could have made the effects at least useful. They could have made some strategems that prevented movement, lowered ballistic or weapon skill and a number of other things that represent fear and terror but instead we get “jump through hoops to get a mediocre effect” that other detachments get for less
Another well thought out review, informative.
Just a thought for future videos: I know unit pt costs are usually not right, but the enhancement pts are usually the same as in the indexes. Keep up the great content Auspex!
I have a bunch on khorne berserkers and was wondering if running them in any of these detachments would make good use of them. Thoughts?
Auspex is a Legend
Could you tell me the Points Cost for the Chaos Lord with a Jump Pack? I understand he could potentially change but I'd still like to see it for a ballpark figure at least
I was planning a word bearers posessed/master of posession army with daemon allies and the like for flavor. Seems like im gonna have to shelf that idea for 11th...
I have a very unique Word Bearers army built that I haven't even started painting yet. I had hoped the new dex would motivate me to finally get them done. May be an unpopular opinion, but I find the new codex to be bland. The silver lining is that I haven't been giving any more money to GW for a while now.
I am so bummed to lose my cultists with their cultist firearms, I have so many of them 😢
just mix them in with traitor guard squads at this rate, autoguns and lasguns have identical profiles anyways
Does this mean Helldrakes might actually he good in the daemon engine detachment? Amd can you turn an allied wardog / knight in to a daemon with the strat?
Whats the percent chance on a terminator unit with +1 to charge, charging out of deepstrike and rerollable ?
I’m glad I started collecting CSM!
With the warp charged engines, doesn't a landraider have assault ramp so you could push it up early and chuck out a unit of termies for an early charge.
Assault ranp is normal move only, so not on the advance. Still great though, possessed with a mop able to be absolutely awful in terms of charging pressure now, without the need for mark of slaanesh now
I already painted my space marines as alpha legion... maybe its time to fully embrace chaos
Run them as loyalists lol
@Lomhow currently doing that. I just pick al regular loyalist chapters and paint /convert them to alpha legion
But are they from the legionairy kit?
@@michaelmastriano7566 nah, dont like the black legion look. I just use printed bits on modified primaris models
Well, unless they change battleshock at all and make it less crap, probably just running my Night Lords with the Alpha Legion or Red Corsair style detachment
Will there be points changes with the codex? Hoping that some of the nerfs might get helped slightly with points decreases
Looking at the raw power of the detatchments, they need increases.😅
@@lohikaarmeherra-1753 Not when a lot of those units in said detachments have been gutted.
I like soul link to combo with a normal lord and a twin lightning claw characters, can boost the other character up to 8 attacks at s6 ap3 d2 with twin linked. Could go insane and stack the claw with that for ap4
In your blurb for Venomcrawler, you said they get 12 shots with the cannon, but I don't see anything supporting that in the video?
Venomcrawler has 2 cannons 6 shot each
Well, glad I never invested in a Master of Possession. Happy to see Vashtorr pick up a few buffs. Excited for my Alpha Legion and daemon engines!
I don't think you mentioned that the Iron Warriors detachment also only works on shooting. 42:19
Gotta be careful as you can't rely on that ability when going toe-to-toe with enemy melee specialists.
Do these rules have any bearing on Death Guard or Thousand Sons or other specific factions of CSM?
No, unless you're running plague marines or rubric marines in a CSM list. It's possible that these rules might give us a preview on what the DG, TS, WE, and (hopefully) EC codexes will look like, but I can't say.
Is that new coxed cover art or old?
Its kind of bad in that it does not stand out from regular art.
Does Detonation specify allied or enemy vehicles? 🤔
RIP Creations of Bile. :( At least Fabius is still around.
Fantastic video, can't wait for the new codex to drop! Wanted to ask about a possible Deceptors combo. If you take a Sorcerer lord in Terminator armor with Shroud of Obfuscation and then take a Chaos lord in Terminator armor with Soul Link, does that mean you can keep the Sorcerer in reserve (safe and sound) and not only use his Death Hex ability with your Chaos Lord but also give a Terminator squad Stealth for extra defense?
Cult Chaos Enhancements links to Renegade Raiders Enhancements part. just to point out :D
Aren't the Obliterators' melta profile still in Melta deistance at 18"? Deepstrike is supposed to be 9", right? So that's still half range.
no you have to deep strike "more then 9'' " so basicly its 9,0001'' and thats more then half
Thanks for making this video! So a Legionary can't take a Plasma Gun now? My squads came from the Shadowspear box so I've got some of those. And it's fun to hear you repeatedly talk about "this damned unit." I doubt that detachment is the best but is really seems fun.
The weird restrictions on the Chaos Lord's Wargear is frustrating. Why can't I give them a Bolt Pistol? Or a Combi-Weapon? Or a Power Fist with any kind of ranged weapon?
I still have a Chaos Lord with a Power Fist and Combi-Weapon; what do I do if I want to run him again?
Typically, in these situations I say "See that Combi-Weapon? It's a plasma pistol. Don't ask me, ask Games Workshop."
wysiwyg is only for tournaments and events. if you build wysiwyg for casual games you are gifting GW too much money.
@@Majere613 The only way to use a power fist is if you have a daemon hammer, so it'd actually be "See that combi-weapon? It's a daemon hammer."
My God. I expected the codex to be good. But this is beautiful. Even the battle shock detachment looks fun!!!!
I'd like to see a video on how to properly utilize infiltrate in honor of the deceptors detachment. I get that I want to get on objectives early and screen, but I thought you were supposed to deploy assuming you go second and hide your entire army, so I'm not sure where to put my units that are almost guaranteed to be shot and charged turn one in no man's land.
Extra confusing in the context of my Eldar Rangers who are snipers who want to stay far out of harms way.
Wait the firebrand is useful now... prolly shouldnt have converted that one I got from model of the month into a runtherd earlier today then.
plague marines with foul blight spawn, in veterans of the long war can really crank up the damage output with their flamers and the strat.
would cult marines benefit from the detachment rules though?
You can’t take the foul blightspawn, but the cult marines do get the detachment rules
Soul link on a MoE and having a terminator sorcerer on the board let’s you get warp time on units you normally wouldn’t be able to plus access to death hex if your terminator sorcerer hasn’t used it, seems interesting
the disco lord not having the vehicle keyword is the dumbest thing ever
he is THE daemon engine character, the fact he doesnt synergise at all with the daemon engine detachment is a huge fail
I guess between not having a model, and the bustedness that could be Exalted Champion with his ability to gain strength seemingly stacking with the talisman enhancement that also boosts strength, i guess the felt the potential for strength 11 on a character that could advance and charge if attached to chosen and do significant damage was a bit too much to balance. Pour one out for Exalted Champion. I might try to run him as a Sorceror model for my Thousand Sons because I can
I was hoping for a bile style detachment again. But i can see many working depending on how he’s cloned his warriors
Can daemons be ran?
Cos since they ruined being able to take allies now can daemons like skarbrand be part of the army?
Hey Auspex... what is your source for the chaos knights allied rules? I cant find anyone other than you that has this info.
The chaos knight index download, it's not changed :)
@@auspextactics Do we still have that stupid 500 point limit though?
Chaos lord with jump pack should be able to go with warp talons only if it has the twin lightning claws
2h and 20 something minutes DAMN. My evening is saved!
My only concerns for the alpha legion is lack of unit stealth and CP generation. I would have to play it but it certainly looks fun to play with.
Hey what's up, we looking at an Orkz codex, Necron codex, or AD Mech codex?
They should've gone further on the Night Lords Detachment, something like "instant global battle-shock for two turns". Your opponent playing without any stratagems or objective-scoring units for a while would actually be a big deal.
Blazing fast as usual 🔥
Thanks auspex! Have a comment for the algorithm.
The renagade raiders rules make me think new chaos bikers are about to drop.
So glad Huron Blackheart survived. Maybe he will get a new mini along with new Chaos Bikers in a vs box! (Hopium)
So in Veterans of the Long War - Black Crusade. The weapon has the ability until they have inflicted that many wounds. Lets say you are shooting with terminators, 8 combi bolters. Are you supposed to slow roll each bolter one at a time? because the devastating wounds are allocated after the wound rolls.
People speed roll by throwing all the bolters together but if they play that way with this strat they can easily 'roll 10+ 6's' before they allocate any wounds, so in that one attack i do think you can exceed 6 devastating wounds, but the question is how many attacks can you roll at once?
So does a 5man legions Squad can have 3 heavy melee weapons?
Ty for a nother amazing codx video
Could you do a list for each of the detachments?, especially for the alpha legion, also your videos are awesome, they are the reason for why I started playing Warhammer
Can probably use Soul Link to get death hex from a Sorcerer in Terminator Armour across to the other side of the board.
Why did they not put the renegade gard unit size to 20 ?
Still can't believe Vashtor doesn't heal vehicles. Reorder Reality is neat though "LOL your guns don't work on me!"
thanks auspex, very nice
anyone have the link to the leaked Veterans of the Long War and Deceptors detachments?
Assuming it's cheap, using Soul Link to give a Master of Executions the Chaos Lord's datasheet abilities could be good. The big charge and rerolls battle tactics seem useful on him, and getting to have a 6/+2/8/-3/3 attack profile with Precision, Dev Wounds and (presumably) Sustained Hits 1 is pretty scary into most things.
Auspex i love you keep it up
your amazing, i really appreciate your work
Helldrakes with let the galaxy burn might be good
We all knew EC are getting thier own book. Its just odd to see CoB get the boot
GW have already shown they can add new detachments outside of codexes with the drukhari one… so it’s entirely possible they are holding a few back to sell them later in white dwarf or a psychic awakening style release (especially as bile is still there, so the CoB are still core CSM and not EC or getting their own codex)
What is that model shown during the Raiders Enhancement discussion? That model looks incredible and I’ve never seen it before lol.
Kranon the Relentless, he was a Chosen model from the Dark Vengeance era. Makes for a great Chaos Lord now
You might be able to find a loose lord for sale still. He was in the Dark Vengeance boxed set :) it was the 6th edition starter I believe
They’re definitely around, just picked one up myself. Keep an eye out
@@sordidcursethanks!
Lord discordant is mounted so probably best in the renegade detachment
Auspex is the best servitor
I like this this is cool IRON WITHIN IRON WITHOUT!
Is dark Pacts really worth it when you dont run the 5+ detatchment?
Crazy good, sustained hits practicly make all shots hit, since sixes make up for misses…
Slightly less so except for two things:
1) For anything that gets a chaos icon, any boost is worth it, since you're only failing about 13% of the time when you double roll a 6+ leadership test.
2) That goes up to 36% for single rolls, but for multi wound things like obliterators or vehicles, you won't lose a model. And most ppl like to entirely wipe out units when they target. So your harming self likely doesn't factor into their firepower, in which case it's overkill.
Ask any faction if they'd take Dark Pacts even with an extra 9-ish% chance of hurting themselves (for the factions with leadership 7).