What if Austria Collapsed in 1910? (Viewer Votes!)
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My ears are bleeding, I was forced to use subtitles.
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@@martillito_ Its horible, there is nothing worse than smooth jazz.
Yeah
Btw whats the name of the song at the end
200 digits of pi!
What if everything went perfect for Italy?
Frl bro I been waiting on that one!
Sarebbe molto bello
I want that
I want a follow up for it like "for Italy and Greece"
The Italians war of unification will be the same, but with the monarchy being less oppressive and mis treating of the south afterwards,during Africa partition Italy starts faster and get Tunisia (maybe allying with Britain or Germany as way to convince the French to do so) and also to support them in invasion of Ethiopia (maybe dividing it into Eritrea colony, that is larger , larger Somalian colony and and puppet state of Ethiopia from what left), during the post wars against the ottoman they are able to keep more of the land (maybe aligning more with Greece making them their ally and both able to keep the coast at least) during ww2 they still go with entente but compensated with Croatia and Albania .
In ww2 Mussolini was one of the few that opposed Austrian annexation and feel like Italy that feel less cheated would probably do the the same , he and up aligning to the Germans because he burned all the bridges with the Ethiopian invasion, initially they keep neutral but later (around 1942) start helping the allies with the promise to get Corsica and the region they gave to France after the war and maybe able to get their monarchy on some of the countries.
When decolonization hit they still leave their empire but there still less bad blood because irl Italian nationalism considered all people in Italy Italians so with better and stronger Italy area like Somalia might feel it
7:27 "makes some minor victories" procceds to take half of poland
if you look at the whole territory of russia then there are really only some minor victories
It’s normal to take half of Poland and therefore it’s minor, infact I took half of Poland just yesterday!
That's just Tuesday for Poles
Yeah minor
Just a Tuesday in the greater history of Europe
Your predictions for the advanced war in the "Germany rejects British mediation" scenario in the "late war" option do not match the reality of the scenario, yes, Germany is devoid of its Habsburg ally, but this alliance was more relevant at the beginning of the war where had to deal with both Russia and enemies in the Balkans at the same time, historically, after the Russian revolution, the Habsburg usefulness and effectiveness was more than questionable, whether in the east or on the Italian front. And now we must acknowledge the obvious, the Habsburg potential was not completely denied to Germany, on the contrary, most of it was granted directly to Germany, in the form of the German parts of the Habsburg rule, its suzerainty over Czechoslovakia and even better, an alliance with Romania, not to mention not having to deal with the BEF in France for a good part of the war, so, with Germany having somehow survived the first few years of the war with gains similar to historically, we are now dealing with a Germany much more capable during the Kaiserschlacht than historically, so, with a French army in worse shape, a less powerful and mobilized BEF due to the late entry into the war, it is possible that Paris will be within Heer's reach after all, if this will result in victory It's debatable, but that's my reading.
Yeah, like wouldn't germany be in much better shape without the 2 or 3 years of naval blockade from Britain? It seems like PH has a phobia about Germany winning WW1 if Britian joins, even if every advantage is given to them.
@@astillia6073 agreed.
@@astillia6073 Also Russia collapsing after it has further modernized & stabilized after 1905 would be unlikely, the collapse & revolution was something that happened due to sheer incompetence, miscommunication, and was very much dependent on the people in charge at the time. Even a few extra years of peace in Russia could alter the timeline so much that the same revolution just wouldn't happen.
I think the most interesting is the moderate entente victory and the German British cooperation
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I think the moderate entente victory is the most interesting scenario, would be interested in seeing a follow up as I think this is the only scenario where you have made an Anglo-German alliance possible
Although the heavy entente victory is also interesting because of the powerful Italy, possibly without Mussolini which is also something we don’t see often
I want see the ww2 version
@@omarahmad7335 Agreed as long the painter with a funny mustache doesn’t get invited.
So the entente loses Britain and the central powers loses Austria Hungary? The central powers nearly won in our timeline, seems like a central powers victory is all but guaranteed here. Britain far surpassed Austria Hungary in strength.
The German fleet was also far stronger than the French and russian ones combined. So no blockade, no starvation, etc.
I disagree with Germany losing the first scenario.
Well Millions of Hungarian and Serbian Soldiers soldiers that used to fight on the side of the Central Powers were now fighting for the Entente, so it really isn't an easy victory for Germany.
Yes, but millions of Brit’s who fought on the side of the entente are no longer there.
Both sides are less powerful but the entente more so.
The central power did not nearly win mate. You’ve been playing too many video games.
@@hatefulgaming1800They really did nearly win though. If the US doesn't join, the central powers might actually have a shot at victory. Russia was dead and the primary reason for Central Power weakness at this point was the blockade of Germany. Without more American support Germany could hold out maybe long enough to gather up more resources from the east and push back. There's also morale to consider here. While yes the CP's victory isn't assured, unlike in WW2, Germany and the rest of the CP actually has a major chance at victory assuming they could get even a quarter of the luck that the Nazis got in 40-41. (France falling shouldn't have been possible. 40-41 is literally a German wank)
They did effectively beat the Russians so in this timeline where it's just France and Russia if Russia also fell in this timeline France is probably screwed. If Britain stayed neutral uber-germany (as German speaking Austria was given to Germany) imo would beat the Russians even without Austria-hungary.
So while the Central powers didn't nearly win in our timeline they did still beat Russia and that is in this scenario nearly half of their opponents strength.
I love how Sapin just watches every scenario
to be fair, it was busy killing itself repeatedly. So at most it'd have sent materials and possibly volunteers like in our timeline. So nothing changes there.
@@thespanishinquisition4078 Spanish Civil War? In the 1910s?
@@omargerardolopez3294 Now I want to see a scenario like this. Though, it's unlikely to have much effect unfortunately. Still I almost want an alternate history that goes in-depth to these intricacies. I can see how this kind of content would be too burdensome and quickly lose most viewers' attention who only want a brief overview.
@@omargerardolopez3294 1910s spain saw MASSIVE revolts and an attempted anarchist uprising that eventually led to the coup de etat by primo de rivera and very violent repression. It wasn't technically a full blown war but when politicians are getting murdered every other week I dare say it sure wasn't peaceful either.
Ah yes, Sapin my favorite country
18:23 ok italy getting Tunis is unreasonable. One of Britain's main goals in this period was not letting italy get Tunis as then italy controls both of the straights connecting the west and east Mediterranean. Corsica nice and savoy are more likely. Even the horn of Africa territories are more likely
France would rather give Tunis than Nice and Savoy, same for Corsica
@@eljedimexicano6737 yes but the British would object to it fiercely.
@@losisansgaming2628 As we Italians showed in the Euro Cup 2020, screw the Bri'ish
Italy would join the Entente with no concessions on their part, his scenarios are bad whichever way you look at them.
At least it ain't monsieur Z
“I will release the follow up on Tuesday”
Meanwhile: on Friday
Also meanwhile: the content absolutely slaps
Video suggestions:
1) what if Germany concentrated in attacking Russia first instead of France and Belgium in WW1?
2) What if NATO's able archer exercise in 80s triggered WW3?
3) what if Stalin listened to his spies of the Axis army build-up near its border and acted accordingly?
4) What if the French had listened to Belgian intelligence of possible German invasion through ardenne and reinforced it?
5) what if Hitler never redirected the german panzer divisions of the central army group to flank Kiev and just continued to Moscow?
6) what if the Belgians let the Germans pass in WW1?
You give interesting questions especially the 1st and 3rd one
So in short,
1) What if Germany won WW1
2) what if WW3 started in 1983?
3) what if Stalin wasn't a jerk?
4) what if the French weren't French?
5) what if Hitler listened to his generals?
i think the third one is the most interesting here. i could be a double sided sword tho. more divisions at the Start of the invasion. isnt all good. especially because the soviet Union still suffers from the purges during this time. and would cause more starting losses.
@@countryballsfan-ph that's the most American frame-up of questions with context LMFAO
@@countryballsfan-ph Germany definitely wouldn't have won ww1 by focusing on Russia lol
The scenario with Britain and Germany aligning seems the most interesting
So, wait, Germany has more land and population directly integrated into its industry and army, pretty much all the Balkan nations are on the Central Powers' side, the British are not in the war and as a result, the Ottomans are in a much better position... and somehow, the Germans are in the same situation in the same timeframe that they were in OTL's WW1?
With the wider front against Romania and more Ottoman troops in the caucasus, the Russians should be folding a lot faster, while the French are left without British reinforcements for the first half of the war. How does this result in the war going the exact same for Germany unless they end it early? Yes, the Austro-Hungarians are gone, but apart from Hungary, every nation that used to be a part of Austria-Hungary is on the German side, plus Romania.
Croatia was a part of Austria,same with bosnia or Galicia all of them are not in the German alliance,plus the thing is Germany has the new land but it doesn’t have the troops of Austria Hungary.And the Ottomans surrender because of a siege of Constantinople the troops in the Caucasus don’t matter that much,because you can’t really push there
@@Das-ist-k-ein-VIRUShow would it not have the Austro-Hungarian troops, they're literally all organized under their own ethnic armies now, minus Hungarians and Croats, and the Croats aren't fighting germany.
@@astillia6073 Most of the Austro-Hungarian Army (88%) were a part of the K.u.K. Heer were 25% were Austrian and would stick to the Germans the other 75% were Hungarian,Romanian,Croatian,Italian and others and wouldn’t stick.
Because he hates Central Powers victory scenarios. Britain not being in the war means no blockade, even possible American investment and loans. It also means the removal of a million troops from the Ottoman Empire. So imagine if 300,000+ soldiers under Mustafa Kemal were fighting in the Caucasus instead, which would again require Russia to divert more forces there. The US would be reluctant to join as well if the UK isn't.
This should be a pretty confirmed Central Powers victory but sometimes people can't envision things they hate, even in fictional scenarios.
@@shamsishraq6831This isnt HoI4. You cant just send millions of men to the Caucasus. Or instantly somehow benefit from annexing Austria. The austro fascists for instance werent quite eager to become german
Why would germany be under more pressure in the first scenario they have all of austria and czechoslovakia about 20 million more people to fight with and both of those countries were fairly industrial in that time it doesnt make any sense. Germany got a subject and more people that speak their language while russia got more disgruntled polish nationalists that possibly will revolt and sabotage the russians, in real life czechoslovakia with half the population of poland switched sides and joined russians to fight against austrians and the germans so why wouldnt already rebellious poles do the same but for russia?
Also, Germany doesn't get blockaded because the British stay out of it. The French navy has no chance blockading German trade against the German navy. If anything, the German navy will disrupt French trade.
Germany meanwhile will fully trade with the UK and US.
I see no way how France wins this without Britain.
if I had to make a guess:
in our timeline, germany and austria-hungary have two separate militaries with their own commanders doing their own things, though working together
in this timeline, germany's military leadership would have to basically carry every front at the same time, without having a second large military to lean on
this alternate timeline's germany would have a bigger army but it also has more fronts to cover as it can't rely on austria-hungary in the south
@@Megukagi
They more or less did that anyway. After one or even two years of war the Austrian army was completely done and not really able to stand up to Russia anymore.
They barely held the Italian front. Everything else was led and mostly defended by German troops, with Austria just doing auxiliary work.
@@Megukagi The Austrian army would be rolled into the German army though and be much more effective. Germany would most likely field 3 armies. One for the french front, One for the Russian front and one for the Balkan front.
Germany does have more resources, but maybe only on paper. I would assume the recent Austrian collapse meant that the actual integration of their infrastructure, manpower and industry could proof complicated and reduce the efficiency of them. At the same time it's very important to look at the military spending. From 1910 to 1914 German anf Austrian military spending doubled, while Frances stayed on the same level and Russias only increased 33%. So this earlier war means Germanys army is not nearly as well equipped compared to our timeline
I like the scenario overall, but I think you are underestimating germany a bit. Germany isnt blockaded while France may be and the Ententes War effort isnt payed for by the british in the beginning. As a result Germany would perform way better and I would expect a peace in favour of germany (8:42), Germany to gain a bit more land or maybe some french colonies (16:26) and a longer stalemate with maybe a even peace (20:24) (Germany might even keep one or two puppet states stripped from russia. Alternatively I could also see France completely collapsing if germany can manage to blockade France resulting in a complete German victory.
First scenario would be the most interesting for a follow up, a German-British alliance is something that I don‘t see explored too often so it has a lot of potential
The scenario where there is a moderate loss for Germany looks the most interesting as ww1 didn’t have to be the war to end all wars and could have been just another European War like Crimea or Franco Prussian War
Thanks for the vid
Honestly feel you might be a little harsh on Germanys but solid video and timeline/analysis overall
Yeah that Happens alot, because the other Option is For people to call you a biased kaiserboo
i mean, the germans would never get positive shit from any version of WW1
france was always intending of destruction
@@enderkatze6129 Honestly fair enough lol, shame we cant get more expansive hour long alt history videos but thats not exactly the most rewarding thing to put out as a youtuber especially for alternate history id imagine.
@@seamusfinnegan1164 i'm Sure we could, If someone Had
-the knowledge
-the Research capabilities
-the time
-the creativity
-the effort
-the motivation
He is a Kaiserboo lmao, he made Germany do the same against Russia though the war was after 1917, the end of their Grand Modernisation Program.
Thank you for bring the music back.
Absolutely love this content 🔥🔥🔥
Amazing and delightfully through. Perhaps you vould collab with other youtubers and make a series of all of the outcomes? I think it would make for some awesome storytelling
Love your content! Thanks For this ❤❤❤❤
I hearby crown this man, as actually being first
Great video idea
Your videos are amazing! I really enjoy listening to all of your ideas for how things go! its really smart
Even tho It was delayed, I think it will be a Great Video
I see the early upload of this video (instead of Tuesday, the Friday before) as an apology…
Love this channel
What if the federation of the West Indies(Caribbean federation) survived to modern day?
Now ik they wouldn't magically become a world superpower but as a Trinidadian I think it would be cool if they didn't collapse
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Number 1# in Turism by a significant margin
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what if covid was successfully contained in Hubei and disappeared like SARS?
Yeeeeeah Again very interesting, Perfect, geography video
I would love to see a continuation
The last scenario is interesting,a part 2 would be cool
Why would Germany lose territory after the war against the Entente when they've occupied large parts of western Russia and northern France? A return to status quo would be way more likely, but I could maybe see the French getting Alsace-Lorraine to lower the tensions with the Germans, but Russia gaining Posen? No way in hell. In what position would the Russians be to annex Posen when the Germans have pushed them to Kiev?
Also hes highly underestimating the germans
A pretty signifficat improvement in quality!
22:02 the last one look more interesting as it look like prequel for red alert game with soviet starting second world war
If you continue this scenario (which I hope you do) I personally would like you to continue either the first or the last scenario.
I love how you said Bulgaria got their teeth kicked in. It was a funny joke, lol. Awesome video, my friend! 😊
The german defeat scenario is so interesting, can you please make a part 2? (or is it 3?)
I think I'd like a follow up to either the first or third outcomes. Both seem the most interesting with the Anglo-German rapprochement in the first or the very much empowered Italy in the third.
Definitely follow up on the last scenario.
I'd argue that without Britain joining, Germany's Schliefen plan would've worked better than IRL. IRL the French begged the British to hold their left flank with the BEF (without telling them that they would have an open left flank in turn) against the right flank of the Germans and they did holding them at the Battle of Mons.
Without the British to hold that part of the front Belgium might have been overrun and there is every chance that the Germans might have reached Paris and forced a surrender from France.
The French aren’t going to surrender simply because Paris is taken. This is real life, not hearts of iron.
@@hatefulgaming1800 The loss of a capital a second time (first time being franco-prussian war) would devastate french morale and weaken the army significantly, which would either have the french surrendering to get a less worse deal or getting fully occupied by the germans.
@@Gvazdika. That was a much weaker France fighting a war the people weren’t particularly interested in, Unless Germany is able to somehow take Paris in 1914 and not only continually hold off Russia but also not have Britain get involved the war won’t be over so quickly.
@@hatefulgaming1800 Considering that is damn near exactly what happened in the Franco-Prussian war, I'd say it's a fair possibility.
Not to mention the fact that with taking or surrounding Paris, the Germans would put a major strain on the French supplyline and industrial capacity.
As for if they could hold off the Russians in the east? They did that IRL. The German high command pulled several hundred thousand men from the western front because they thought they needed to hold back the Russians, but before those men had arrived the Eastern Generals had defeated-in-detail several Russian armies.
@@sander0209and that was a year after this timeline 1 year is a lot so i could see a slightly weaker russian army
(Potential) feedback: the music at the start is somewhat distracting, its a good song and would love to hear it midway, but it's a bit hard to follow over
Well made, with the oversight on all different outcomes
I need to see a follow up video for ALL three scenarios
What software do you use for this? (Not the voting)
My favorite branches were: Germany intervenes militarily into the Balkans, and Germany doesn't intervene in the Balkan war, and accepts British demand during the Hungary-sparked war
The heavy entente victory would be the most interesting to me, due to its similarities to our timeline on the map, but the totally different history
I would like to see a follow-up to the last scenario (Entente Victory)
I want a video where Germany doesn't follow the Schlieffen Plan and goes on the defensive in Alsace, never attacking Belgium and instead focussing on Russia.
What if the Papal States pushed for unification of Italy instead of Sardinia?(highly improbable, but interesting idea, especially if they do more crusades against the ottomans)
I love how EVERY SINGLE OPTION is WAAAAAAAAAAY better for Germany in this set of timelines, regardless of any other outcomes.
The last strategy seems very intresting
Cant wait for follow up
the main thing i dont understand is at 15:49 where romania gets more of hungary instead of getting moldova from russia? why would they want to add even more hungarians instead of romanians/moldovans?
Moldova may have been desirable but Transylvania and a few bits beyond were always the big prize for Romanian nationalists, even if some of it wasn't even inhabited primarily by Romanians. They already saw no problem with annexing majority Hungarian areas in our timeline just for national pride.
“Honey, possible history just uploaded the follow up”
What if fredrick married maria theresa
or like what if the brandensburgians supported the dutch in their revolt (because of them both being protestant) and in exchange, the dutch chosen a hollenzolern king after becomming independent and formally became part of brandensburg or something after the 30 years war
The most complex of scenarios i like it
Italy would probably still go fascist, people often think that Mussolini's rise was just due to "vittoria mutilata" and that a greater italy would prevent fascism.
While the rethoric of the "vittoria mutilata" was a strong propaganda point for the fascists, the main reason for the rise of fascism was the "biennio rosso", basically, for 2 years the country was full of strikes and protests and Italy came really near to a communist revolution. If the scenario does not change this, then the rise of fascism is still very likely
i would really love to see the continuation of the last scenario. How could ww2 look with this minor but important changes
I'd actually love a continuation to the last sub-scenario, ut gives solid fundament for nazis to come to power while also making important shifts between great powers. This world looks so similliar to ours, yet it differs so much
Please continue the first scenario with the German-British Alliance. I mean the German and British Empires working together is a very rare possible history theme and I‘d love to see a continuation of it.
3rd scenario is interesting
The scenereo where germaby gains a protecterate over Poland is fire ngl, ittd be super interesting
Please make a follow up to the third scenario!
How do i get you're map, because i remember that i had done it before but i can't remember.
I would love to see the last scenario continued
You should make a continuation of possibility/scenario 1, after the war.
Make a part 2 for the first round
Yes make a third (?) part!
Im most interested in a follow up for the German Victory (number 2) as it is not an Entente Vicory and is like a Quick CP victory in WW1 except nothing drastic changed (apart from partition of A-H)
actually Number 1 would be great as well
I love that you don‘t say, this would happen and give us a few seperate timelines for many different outcomes.
If you’re going to continue this one, I find the idea of the British German alliance to be the most interesting timeline
Germany in this timeline would be more than capable of taking on russia and france alone
part three would be cool
You should continue doing the 2
heres a wierd what if:
what if luxembourg, denmark, belgium and the netherlands tried to join german, germany refusing and then the benelumark fight germany to be a part of them or at least semi-integrated? its wierd but might be worth checking out
Still love the lounge music
Also I thought this was releasing on Tuesday?
I see this as an apology for not releasing the 1st video in April as announced/planned. (Also, we got new maps!)
Wouldn't the Schliffen plan be more successful? The Russian economy and mobilization would be worse and they would be slow to get to the front. Without British support, the Belgians might be more willing to let the Germans go through their country. The French wouldn't have the British troops to help them slow down the initial Greman advance. Germany would be able to harass French shipping very effectively. There is a chance they could knock France out of the war in the first year.
9:30, Russia would've also probably taken Memel, and Denmark would've been forced by Britain, France, and Russia to reannex Schleswig. Otherwise the treaty makes sense as a mild treaty.
What maps do you use
What happened to AH? Is there a first video I should watch?
Love voting content. Excited for the Soviet Union one.
Nah man, let me see that kaiserredux continuation!😂😂
Video 2 of asking for What if everything went perfect for Scotland
Nice
Pls make a follow up vid on the german victory
If you continue any of the time lines, please continue the one that does not end up horrifyingly for Hungary :D
(almost in all of your videos we get fucked up pretty severely)
It's almost like he hates Hungary, for whatever reason.
I think the early war, after which Germany and Brittain allign with one-another, would be the Most interesting to continue
I think the first senerio would be the most interesting, seeing a sort of Cold War dynamic with the 1930s attitude would be fascinating, plus 7 years war call back with Britain and Germany teaming up
I will say this i voted for chaos in the next viewer voting
where is the link for the next vote?
Austria: *collapses*
Germany: "free real estate"
20:00 there is simply no way Hungary wouldn't get the entire Transylvania region along with atleast a border correction with Croatia and Germany
So cool
Easily one of the best videos you've made, good job PH I hope you continue this scenario! IMO the first timeline is more interesting than the second, considering it's quite a lot different. 👍
Please make a continuation of the scenario in which Poland is much stronger than in reality
No colonial changes? Sad
FINNALY
If you follow up with the scenario, in my vision I like more of the third scenario's continuation
do a scenario where house of Wittelsbach manages to get Spain in 18th century or get the imperial crown in the Austrian succession war
This last alternate history event should be made into a hoi4 mod! A great way to make things interesting again hahaha
Closet we have to that is an alternative history path in the great war where Germany destabilizes Austria and annexes it before WW2.
That path also sees the Germany allying Romania and rebuilding relations with Russia. The war itself can allow you to ally Serbia but I advise against it as it masses with the Balken war start and end events.