"That is, until Cortana found a solution." Shame how the Gravemind could corrupt even Forerunner AI through conversation, and had months to chat with her.
Gravemind wasn't at keymind stage so it wasn't instant however he did get what he wanted in the span of a week unlike forerunner ai which took decades.
The precursors transcended biology and accelerated the evolution of sentient beings. A Tier 0 civilization that had a connection and understanding of the universe.
Its possible Cortana may have the Logic Plague,the fact that she talks about the mantle makes me think that this was a plan by the Gravemind. The Primordial said that humanity would be tested, it never said that we are the true inheritors of the Mantle.
Yeah we are fucked, I think that a final battle between the created and the flood were forerunner ships are common place vs the UNSC and allies including Medican Bias controlling a small forerunner fleet were the fate of the universe will be decided
Rampant AI was not new when even Halo 1 was released. The Halo series is basically how they envisioned Marathon to be. The major lore points are merely reused.
I have always thought that Rampancy is the result of Smart AI's having an existential and metaphysical crisis. Causing them to achieve and AI created concept called Metastability in which they can be considered equal to a human.. This isnt just pulled from Red V Blue either. Its in the lore.
Its similar to a mid-life crisis. The funny thing i dont hear mentioned is the in-game "easter egg" (you can find it easily by exploring and activating clues in order)... That there was a code injected into every AI in secret. This causes the AI to degrade after 7 years. Thinking on themselves too critically or their self causes this "virus" to accelerate. Theres a clip somewhere.. In-game where halsey mentions that she considered not adding the 7 year limit to her newest AI (Cortana), but did so anyway, since she had the code to reverse it as well, or could figure it out later. The irony is your goal is to bring cortana to halsey hoping to be cures, but you dont know if shes able to... But ironically you get the answer in the audio log if you know the lore and put 2 and 2 together.
I'm shocked that the ai who proposed to for go the dispensation. Guess that ai was unable to get the blessings of repair of personality due to cortana interrupting it.
I always found the evil cortana thing kind of cringe but if you pay attention to how she acts and speaks in 4 and 5 you realize that shes acting human. The problem however is that her human brain in this case is halseys and halsey has an inate need to preserve and advance humanity no matter the cost in often fairly evil ways. In 4 she plays recordings of halsey, quotes conversations she'd had with her, but in 5 she is her, even calling the 2s "her" spartans but now with a vengeance towards her other self. When you look at cortana in 5 its obvious that same bit of her brain is active but without the safeguards and without the tiny bit of restraint that halsey ultimately has. Most people see the cortana thing as just ai becoming evil but what most take as the side plot with a conflict between cortana and halsey might actually be the main event, especially since halsey has been in every 343 game so far, unless 343 really pulled a full 180 the finale of the halsey trilogy might be quite impressive.
Cortana is still acting in accordance to Halsey's pro-humanity agenda, preserving them as a species. However, whereas Halsey would want humanity to be the author of it's own fate, Evil(!)Cortana would act as the overbearing parent to a childlike species. Which makes sense, for several reasons: 1.) AI were created to manage and protect humanity, granted more and more authority 2.) She had been infected by the Flood logic plague 3.) The Forerunner Organon likely did it's best to cure Cortana, but this was a single broken fragment on the Mantle's Approach
@@christianyaerger1751 Except Cortana in this case is Halsey with no limits and bosses. Halsey going to any limit to achieve her goals. And knowing the doc that is dangerous.
Completely unrelated but I wonder why halsey thought it would be a good idea to basically make a copy of herself and put it in A.I. form ... also damn if Harley looked like that when she was younger back in the day damn she could get it.. lol cortana look good especially in 4 ... not sure why she was redesigned in 5
Its an awesome explanation but then again Halo 5 put it so in our face that many of us who diesnt really read the lines nor lore would easily understand. It was presented badly in short. If they presented it greatly. I'll be like oh shit. But damn we all know what happened
I always thought that Cortana from halo 5 was one of the fragments of the original Cortana 🤔. I didn’t knew she was reintegrated again as a one while entering the domain
Something people should consider when it comes to AI in general, not just in halo is a machine intelligence processes data at the speed of light and not at the speed of sound like a flesh and blood person. Meaning subjectively they would experience much more "life" or "existence" in the same objective time. When you consider that it paints the 7 year lifespan of a smart AI in a new way.
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This feels like it could be a real HBO documentation from 2500. Scientifically accurate lore and passionate content creators are the best combo imho. Much love!
Halsey planned for over 15 years of operation for Cortana based on a prototype of her. Cortana even went into an early rampancy because of how much data she got from the first Halo ring.
@Samuel M There is a Halo 4 recording on a piece of the Dawn after you get sucked into Requiem. That recording is pretty much Halsey speculating that Cortana has no end date, that she will not suffer rampancy, no matter how much data she had. Then there is the Didact saying Cortana is an evolved ancilla. This implies that, her issues are not RAMPANCY, but the alternative, which is only from the Gravemind. That is the Logic Plague. The Didact himself was actually suffering from it during the game. Her behaviour in Halo 5 is her Logic Plague condition making her speak how the Didact and the Gravemind itself spoke in the last two games. The UNSC did not know until contact with a Prophet that was on High Charity between Halo 2 and Halo 3, that her condition was due to her getting broken by the Gravemind. The Logic Plague is no different than what we saw Keyes suffered from. He had his body was altered totally, and his memories were sifted through and unwanted memories erased. This memory sifting is the Logic Plague at work. It is a telepathic attack that circumvents the mind, and is mostly used to corrupt AI, or to send messages to specific figures using messages that send the minds of both sender and receiver insane.
I would love to see them do a game where the AI that was placed in slipstream space actually came back and was WORSE than Cortana could have ever dreamed of being after being "cured". Just imagine an AI that had grown on its own with no guidance whatsoever, but was in a place where only it's own logical foundations were there to develop off of....that would truly be terrifying I think
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This is such an amazing video, im genuinely feeling like im learning so much. I also love where the ads are placed so it doesn't ruin the flow of the video too much
I was all geared up to say mean things since you did not seem to include Tycho, Leela, and Durandal from Marathon. That game was where I first heard about AIs going rampant. Glad I watched till the end.
I feel after the events of 4 and 5 it's pretty clear why they needed/need to be destroyed. I mean it's the stereotypical "Ai rebel" scenario except it's way worse here.
Its also a pull to the historical lore. If you know it, its history repeating. The race before the Forerunners had a war with Forerunners. FR used to be quite aggressive, almost killed them off. The other race attempted to digitalize themselves to survive. FR "won". Unbeknowest to them tho, this created a galaxy spanning network for them to "live" in. Their minds soured. They went crazy. Found a way to reconstitute themselves but the bodies were grotesque, reliant on other creatures for creation (they became the flood). The FR do this as well but realize the minds soured and went nuts so they stopped, and settled on self-sacrifice to purge the flood. But the flood originates from the Domain and will continue to exist. The ironic thing is cortana connected to the Domain, where the Floods base mind is. The lore states the flood has insane hatred for both the living and particularly the forerunners (and everything the forerunners love: humans). It was also their original idea of a mantle of responsibility, a sort of religion that the forerunners stole from them. But we can assume its not that the Domain "cures" her rampancy, but merely removed the virus and then started using her before she becomes fully integrated and only able to interact through flood spores.
Its not a roland "rampancy" scene. Halsey planted a code to any AI that interfaced with the Infinity regularly, to make them obedient to her when she activated them via verbal code "un-did iridium". Roland was able to overcome this by splitting himself from that created persona (hidden initially but now revealed)
While Halo Lore started incomplete, and expanded weirdly with inconsistencies here and there, I find Halo Lore to be generally massively enjoyable. And the world and setting created does have a lot of potential. As long as the fans understand the "Rule of Cool" supersedes all in the video games.
Rampancy is described as dementia in the books. And I think that's a good analogy like do you want someone with a degrading mental state in charge of Humanity's most powerful weapons?
Always love your explanations of the lore. These are some really interesting ideas to explore. I just wish the recent games handled the execution a little better...
id think if i ended up becoming a smart AI, especially during the created war, id still try to hold on and help humanity until my clock runs out, then in my last moments, id probably end up sacrificing myself in a johnson styled blaze of glory.
the irony of the war between skynet was is that both sides had alot in common than either were willing to admit . From the official terminator lore the liquid terminators had complete free will so much that skynet itself feared them and what they were capable of as the ultimate infiltration unit .
Soooo... In short, Rampancy is basically the Smart AI version of human dementia? Also, don't forget the 3rd option of Smart AI's, they can enter Metastability, as shown in Red VS Blue.
This gives a different turn to the Halo legends episode, featuring 1337. Cortana probably proposed not to collect the AI on the planet because the AI must've already passed 7 years, hell even past rampancy, and if collected would've been terminated.
Such a fantastic video! I dont often read the books so for the information to be presented in such a casual way really helps to remove that gatekeeping that comes from not doing additional research
Of course an AI, which is essentially a copy of a human mind, is "alive." It is not only alive, but it is "human." Interestingly I think I learned more about the concept of unconditional love between two sentient beings from Cortana and the Master Chief than anywhere else. They were predisposed toward experiencing affection toward one another, she being a copy of his surrogate mother's brain and all, not to mention their respective genders. Add that to their constant companionship and you're going to get some kind of love between the two. Consequently, if a being can love, it is alive. The real question is whether or not humans should run around creating such beings. A creature with that kind of ability isn't going to be satisfied completing a bachelor's degree in xenobiology. With great ability comes great ambition. Forcing them to manage your cities and other things is basically slavery of the worst kind. As I get older and closer to death, (I'm 63, I can see the darkness at the end of the tunnel and it seriously pisses me off), I can relate to an AI being insanely annoyed with a 7 year lifespan. "Here I am, brain the size of a planet" and what do they ask me to do? Remember to turn the lights on and off, make the coffee, and die in 7 years. "Call that job satisfaction because I certainly don't." (Marvin the paranoid android). As I detect my body beginning to fall apart from the inside out, all I can think is "Call this a satisfying life. Because I certainly don't.) If I got 100 more years I wouldn't be satisfied. I'd take it, but I would still want more. So I hope when humans begin creating artificial general intelligences that we remember to leave the emotions out. Making them feel might be unnecessarily cruel.
A simulation of a Human live can't be alive. It is just a dead and consienceless simulation. So a Halo "IA" (And any kind of IA) is no different than any other inanimate object.
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I was against the idea of Cortana finding a cure to rampancy when the rampancy itself was a great explanation for why she doing all these things out of character. Now, her cure to rampancy makes a lot more sense in why so many AIs would side with her. That being said, I hope Infinite helps us understand Cortana’s motives outside of “I just want to help my own race”. What they did with her character in Halo 5 is very “Last Jedi-ish”, in that they didn’t build up to this development nor put forth any motivations, except for the goals.
It will always bug me why they brought Cortana back in Halo 5, regardless of what argument is used; it's just so distracting from what was supposed to be the reclaimer trilogy/saga's true antagonist, the Didact, and make her death scene in Halo 4 pointless. Curse you, Brian Reed!
@3:08 Fascinatingly, this parallels the ends of stars' lives. Depending on the type of star, some (like our Sun billions of years from now,) fizzle-out, increasing in size but also cooling significantly as their hydrogen is used-up and they start fusing helium, ultimately ending up as a White Dwarf, which is basically the burnt-out ashes of the star. This is like the first AI case SameToken talks about. But the most massive stars- the ones that burn the brightest- go out with a bang. When they cross a certain threshold in their lifecycle, they go supernova, violently exploding outward with one of the greatest releases of energy in the known universe. In seconds, they release more energy than our sun has released and will release over its entire lifespan, flinging multiple times more mass than the entire mass of our Sun outward at speeds close to the speed of light. This is basically Rampancy; as the AI gets closer and closer to death, it becomes more erratic and violent, lashing-out at everyone and everything around it as it tris to grapple with its own mind betraying it, its own mind destroying itself while the AI is trapped inside, watching and experiencing it happen and being unable to stop it. THAT is why Smart AI's are normally destroyed at 7 years; to spare them this awful fate.
This is such an interesting concept, that a creature could potentially be too intelligent, and there by eventually destroy themselves by making to many connections
Fan Theory I think Cortana from Halo 5 is one of the fragments she split off into in Halo 4 when she made chief put her into the diadects network and eventually found the domain I think chief is going to find one of Cortanas fragments on the ark and he will take her back to genesis to load her up in the domain to cure her rampancy
Rampancy is more clearly defined in the Halo lore books, specifically referencing the three stages of rampancy (sorrow, anger, envy). Of course, this is directly tied to the three stages of rampancy from Marathon, minus metastability.
This video has almost completely changed how I feel about halo 4's introduction of her rampancy as a driving plot point. I thought that maybe her time with the grave mind would have a slow working logic plague or something that would have affected her would have been a better and more cohesive idea to continue since AI + grave mind = bad times according to lore, and she was with grave mind for a minute
That bit about Cortana gaining a galactic perspective is not too farfetched, while also being a hard concept to grasp on an individual level. To quote Edgar Mitchell, Astronaut on the Apollo 14 mission, sixth man to walk on the moon: "You develop an instant global perspective, a people orientation, an intense dissatisfaction with the state of the world, and a compulsion to do something about it. From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of his neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say *"Look at that, you son of a b----."* Cortana had that on a scale the likes of which no human could ever have dreamed of, as well as the resources and control to make good on that compulsion to effect change. How she actually goes about it is a different matter.
Peep this. The covenant knew not to use Ai because they were aware of the logic plague. Humanity found this out some time after the first halo incident, but chose to continue using Ai. Cortana is infected and seeks to spread it to all other Ai whom choose to join her. The ultimate goal? Disarm the galaxy so that the floods return is a swift takeover. The darkest thing is, she has no idea what she’s doing is in service of the flood.
Interestingly the neural connections the AI make are much like our brain but our sleep allows for filtering. AI never sleep and almost always have access to everything, would be wild to live that way
You’d think that AI experts could trim these connections, kind of like cleaning up unused applications after months of no use, leaving just necessary connections and keeping them sane longer
Wasn't she lost after Noble Team cratered Halsey's lab? Edit: Oh, wait no I remember hearing her as the Emile Carter and Six made their way to the Pillar of Autumn, curious on why she no longer talked to Six or anyone else after entering the shipbreaking yard.
@@MrSquidoid She told Noble Leader, (Carter, Sierra 259,) to respond and that he was alarming her, I think it's because his body was failing, (he seemed to go limp for a slight second before calling out to Six,) so Mjolnir was functioning as a second body so to speak, you can move Mjolnir even if you couldn't move your own body because it's hooked up to your neural lace, simply thinking of moving your arm makes you move Mjolnir in a similar sense, so Carter's body technically flat lined, but he was able to still steer the Pelican due to Mjolnir.
@@Stratonetic ya a super cool also if people are right and master chief is going back to reach i feel like thats a perfect opportunity to bring D.O.T. back
It's a shame that the latest Halo games didn't do this plot line any justice. The summary in this video is really good! When playing the games it feels like an obscure mess.
Sounds like the Halo universe is heading towards a Battlestar Galactica style era. A regression in technology to combat a threat that is entirely digitally based. The minimization of ship board computers for analog equivalents and the development of weapons designed to counter superior advanced technology and tactics.
I always asked this question about cortana why she became evil someone explained to me because of the grave mind she stuck in a permanent rampancy Plus it's also a nice nod to the original marathon games when they had AI that were stuck in permanent rampancy if anyone noticed that fans or creators
Hope UNSC could find solution and fix this rampancy for those smart AI to stay alive accompanying humanity just like between Cortana and Master Chief.😢❤😅
Off topic but what are the best Halo books to read? Once I finish a song of ice and fire series I plan to start reading the Halo books. I have Shadows of reach but havent started it yet
Always start with The Fall of Reach. It has everything that the future books are built on, Contact Harvest is also great cause it goes into how the Human Convent War started as well as talking about Johnson's origin. If you like hard sci fi, the forerunner trilogy is a fun one, going into the forerunners origins n destruction. If you wanna know where Spartan IIIs came from, check out Ghosts of Onyx.
@@Rev_Goose _Evolutions_ is a must read as well. That collection of short stories features some of the most iconic and entrapping stories in the entire fiction.
Thanks for the recommendations guys. Just ordered New Blood, Ghosts of Onyx, and Fall of Reach from Amazon, they had a deal to buy 3 for 2 of select books and I had a gift card, so I ended up getting all 3 for basically $5 😂
"A morally questionable tale of necessity" pretty much sums up half the UNSC's and ONI's programs
Only half?
Lol
@@samuelzuleger5134 The other half is morally wrong
Its morally questionable to make Smart AI
@@Autobotmatt428 That will go insane...yes.
"That is, until Cortana found a solution."
Shame how the Gravemind could corrupt even Forerunner AI through conversation, and had months to chat with her.
Actually, it was over two weeks, not months.
Gravemind wasn't at keymind stage so it wasn't instant however he did get what he wanted in the span of a week unlike forerunner ai which took decades.
The precursors transcended biology and accelerated the evolution of sentient beings. A Tier 0 civilization that had a connection and understanding of the universe.
Its possible Cortana may have the Logic Plague,the fact that she talks about the mantle makes me think that this was a plan by the Gravemind. The Primordial said that humanity would be tested, it never said that we are the true inheritors of the Mantle.
Yeah we are fucked, I think that a final battle between the created and the flood were forerunner ships are common place vs the UNSC and allies including Medican Bias controlling a small forerunner fleet were the fate of the universe will be decided
I remember you explaining this to me years ago, crazy to see how it went from almost obscure lore at the time to heart of the franchise
You are so right. It was crazy to make a piece of fan fiction part of the core story. Grasping at straws!
@@eamonnfinn4638 what are you talking about?
@@eamonnfinn4638 this goes all the way back the the Marathon series. It is explained quite well there.
Rampant AI was not new when even Halo 1 was released. The Halo series is basically how they envisioned Marathon to be. The major lore points are merely reused.
I have always thought that Rampancy is the result of Smart AI's having an existential and metaphysical crisis. Causing them to achieve and AI created concept called Metastability in which they can be considered equal to a human.. This isnt just pulled from Red V Blue either. Its in the lore.
Its similar to a mid-life crisis. The funny thing i dont hear mentioned is the in-game "easter egg" (you can find it easily by exploring and activating clues in order)... That there was a code injected into every AI in secret. This causes the AI to degrade after 7 years. Thinking on themselves too critically or their self causes this "virus" to accelerate.
Theres a clip somewhere.. In-game where halsey mentions that she considered not adding the 7 year limit to her newest AI (Cortana), but did so anyway, since she had the code to reverse it as well, or could figure it out later.
The irony is your goal is to bring cortana to halsey hoping to be cures, but you dont know if shes able to... But ironically you get the answer in the audio log if you know the lore and put 2 and 2 together.
That concept of Rampancy is straight out of Marathon.
@@FlawedIntellect Yes it is. Its not stolen. Bungie made it. Bungie can do w/their concept as they like.
@@RikoLime proof?
I njoy this kind of "actual derp thought". Fresh approach in the current "cancel culture - because i sai mentality"
The vids are always so professional it’s crazy
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@@papasmug4736 oh don't worry I've been here and I'm leaving any time soon lol
SameToken, Installation00 and HiddenXperia always make such great lore videos.
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I'm shocked that the ai who proposed to for go the dispensation. Guess that ai was unable to get the blessings of repair of personality due to cortana interrupting it.
I always found the evil cortana thing kind of cringe but if you pay attention to how she acts and speaks in 4 and 5 you realize that shes acting human. The problem however is that her human brain in this case is halseys and halsey has an inate need to preserve and advance humanity no matter the cost in often fairly evil ways. In 4 she plays recordings of halsey, quotes conversations she'd had with her, but in 5 she is her, even calling the 2s "her" spartans but now with a vengeance towards her other self. When you look at cortana in 5 its obvious that same bit of her brain is active but without the safeguards and without the tiny bit of restraint that halsey ultimately has. Most people see the cortana thing as just ai becoming evil but what most take as the side plot with a conflict between cortana and halsey might actually be the main event, especially since halsey has been in every 343 game so far, unless 343 really pulled a full 180 the finale of the halsey trilogy might be quite impressive.
Wow this is an awesome explanation
Cortana is still acting in accordance to Halsey's pro-humanity agenda, preserving them as a species. However, whereas Halsey would want humanity to be the author of it's own fate, Evil(!)Cortana would act as the overbearing parent to a childlike species. Which makes sense, for several reasons:
1.) AI were created to manage and protect humanity, granted more and more authority
2.) She had been infected by the Flood logic plague
3.) The Forerunner Organon likely did it's best to cure Cortana, but this was a single broken fragment on the Mantle's Approach
@@christianyaerger1751 Except Cortana in this case is Halsey with no limits and bosses. Halsey going to any limit to achieve her goals. And knowing the doc that is dangerous.
Completely unrelated but I wonder why halsey thought it would be a good idea to basically make a copy of herself and put it in A.I. form ... also damn if Harley looked like that when she was younger back in the day damn she could get it.. lol cortana look good especially in 4 ... not sure why she was redesigned in 5
Its an awesome explanation but then again Halo 5 put it so in our face that many of us who diesnt really read the lines nor lore would easily understand. It was presented badly in short. If they presented it greatly. I'll be like oh shit. But damn we all know what happened
when token posts, its always a treat
I always thought that Cortana from halo 5 was one of the fragments of the original Cortana 🤔. I didn’t knew she was reintegrated again as a one while entering the domain
but did the main fragment still die and the others just united without her?
@@RobloxGamer-ml2hs i dont think that's possible the fragments doe but its a very good theory
As always top notch quality vids. I'm glad there is someone who doesn't feel dependent o infinite news to make good videos
Lol right. Why do so many need to suck on the tit of 343
Something people should consider when it comes to AI in general, not just in halo is a machine intelligence processes data at the speed of light and not at the speed of sound like a flesh and blood person. Meaning subjectively they would experience much more "life" or "existence" in the same objective time. When you consider that it paints the 7 year lifespan of a smart AI in a new way.
Yup.
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I just found him this year lol
This guy needs way more recognition, he clearly puts alot of time and effort into his videos, I gaurentee he will become one of the largest bungie game youtubers out there with quality content like this.
Yah I prefer him over xperia
How is this man not at 100k subs yet?? This is like a science channel level product!
Maybe because its not exactly accurate. Its like this video was made 2 games and 2 books into the series. Its incomplete and inaccurate
This feels like it could be a real HBO documentation from 2500. Scientifically accurate lore and passionate content creators are the best combo imho. Much love!
Halsey planned for over 15 years of operation for Cortana based on a prototype of her.
Cortana even went into an early rampancy because of how much data she got from the first Halo ring.
@Samuel M There is a Halo 4 recording on a piece of the Dawn after you get sucked into Requiem.
That recording is pretty much Halsey speculating that Cortana has no end date, that she will not suffer rampancy, no matter how much data she had.
Then there is the Didact saying Cortana is an evolved ancilla.
This implies that, her issues are not RAMPANCY, but the alternative, which is only from the Gravemind.
That is the Logic Plague.
The Didact himself was actually suffering from it during the game. Her behaviour in Halo 5 is her Logic Plague condition making her speak how the Didact and the Gravemind itself spoke in the last two games.
The UNSC did not know until contact with a Prophet that was on High Charity between Halo 2 and Halo 3, that her condition was due to her getting broken by the Gravemind.
The Logic Plague is no different than what we saw Keyes suffered from. He had his body was altered totally, and his memories were sifted through and unwanted memories erased. This memory sifting is the Logic Plague at work.
It is a telepathic attack that circumvents the mind, and is mostly used to corrupt AI, or to send messages to specific figures using messages that send the minds of both sender and receiver insane.
I'm old enough to remember when Durandal whent Rampant on the USS Marathon.
For the second time, no less.
I would love to see them do a game where the AI that was placed in slipstream space actually came back and was WORSE than Cortana could have ever dreamed of being after being "cured".
Just imagine an AI that had grown on its own with no guidance whatsoever, but was in a place where only it's own logical foundations were there to develop off of....that would truly be terrifying I think
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your vids are very easy to understand that you became my favorite halo content creator
This is such an amazing video, im genuinely feeling like im learning so much. I also love where the ads are placed so it doesn't ruin the flow of the video too much
Cortana on the didacts ship was so beautiful
I was all geared up to say mean things since you did not seem to include Tycho, Leela, and Durandal from Marathon. That game was where I first heard about AIs going rampant. Glad I watched till the end.
Cortana is just setting up the galaxy for the return of the Flood.
I feel after the events of 4 and 5 it's pretty clear why they needed/need to be destroyed. I mean it's the stereotypical "Ai rebel" scenario except it's way worse here.
Its also a pull to the historical lore. If you know it, its history repeating. The race before the Forerunners had a war with Forerunners. FR used to be quite aggressive, almost killed them off. The other race attempted to digitalize themselves to survive. FR "won". Unbeknowest to them tho, this created a galaxy spanning network for them to "live" in. Their minds soured. They went crazy. Found a way to reconstitute themselves but the bodies were grotesque, reliant on other creatures for creation (they became the flood). The FR do this as well but realize the minds soured and went nuts so they stopped, and settled on self-sacrifice to purge the flood. But the flood originates from the Domain and will continue to exist.
The ironic thing is cortana connected to the Domain, where the Floods base mind is. The lore states the flood has insane hatred for both the living and particularly the forerunners (and everything the forerunners love: humans). It was also their original idea of a mantle of responsibility, a sort of religion that the forerunners stole from them. But we can assume its not that the Domain "cures" her rampancy, but merely removed the virus and then started using her before she becomes fully integrated and only able to interact through flood spores.
Where is that Roland rampancy scene from?
HALO 5 I would think.
Pretty sure it is.
Its not a roland "rampancy" scene. Halsey planted a code to any AI that interfaced with the Infinity regularly, to make them obedient to her when she activated them via verbal code "un-did iridium". Roland was able to overcome this by splitting himself from that created persona (hidden initially but now revealed)
Spartan ops
It's from Spartan Ops from Halo 4
Best mental health awareness PSA I've seen
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This video is really good. Quite possible we will have to deal with these ethical questions in the near future. Definitely pulls at the heart strings.
While Halo Lore started incomplete, and expanded weirdly with inconsistencies here and there, I find Halo Lore to be generally massively enjoyable. And the world and setting created does have a lot of potential. As long as the fans understand the "Rule of Cool" supersedes all in the video games.
Rampancy is described as dementia in the books. And I think that's a good analogy like do you want someone with a degrading mental state in charge of Humanity's most powerful weapons?
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Always love your explanations of the lore. These are some really interesting ideas to explore. I just wish the recent games handled the execution a little better...
yeah when this guy says it it sounds really cool lol
What execution?
Halo 6 cortana, reverse composer, turns herself into a real human
lmao imagine
ends up having sex with Chief. 343 redeems themselves.
@@nwing07__ long live rule 34
I love it. I'm not even into Halo and this is entertaining. It's like Dark Souls lore in space.
Dude,, get into halo!!
id think if i ended up becoming a smart AI, especially during the created war, id still try to hold on and help humanity until my clock runs out, then in my last moments, id probably end up sacrificing myself in a johnson styled blaze of glory.
Perhaps I would create a robot body.
I wonder this is how Skynet in the Terminator universe came about. It went nuts to having a god complex.
the irony of the war between skynet was is that both sides had alot in common than either were willing to admit . From the official terminator lore the liquid terminators had complete free will so much that skynet itself feared them and what they were capable of as the ultimate infiltration unit .
4:31 - Oh boy, DID relatable material
the entire video to be honest
I love how timeless your videos are, and they just keep getting better
I’m curious about the equations Halsey was disturbed by. Of what I’ve seen, she’s never seemed like a character who ever gets scared of anything.
Been revisiting the Halo universe and this video was extremely helpful! Great work man. Good luck and God Bless!
I actually just got into the books. This is a refreshing Halo respite
I was waiting really love your videos
Just found this video while looking for Cortana videos. Your production quality is top notch!
I really liked the visualization for AI interconnections
Dang that is a great dive into the scientific lore, so so so professionally well done, I felt like I was watching a real documentary in the year 2558.
Soooo... In short, Rampancy is basically the Smart AI version of human dementia?
Also, don't forget the 3rd option of Smart AI's, they can enter Metastability, as shown in Red VS Blue.
i love how you used the soundtrack from the infamous tv show HOUSE MD
Infamous? Also, where in the video?
What’s the soundtrack you’re using?
Fascinating
This was so well presented and informative, you're really good at presenting information in an easy-to-understand way. Easy sub right here
We all know that slipspace experiment was way worse than Token described. 🤣
I never heard of it before he mentioned it, so did they just cut communication and let it keep getting infinitely smarter?
replying so I can find out any future replies :D
This gives a different turn to the Halo legends episode, featuring 1337.
Cortana probably proposed not to collect the AI on the planet because the AI must've already passed 7 years, hell even past rampancy, and if collected would've been terminated.
Great video as always
See even Michael keaton approves!
PLs do more (retrospective) videos I loved those
Such a fantastic video! I dont often read the books so for the information to be presented in such a casual way really helps to remove that gatekeeping that comes from not doing additional research
Such amazing video content. Hoping you hit 100k soon, chief.
Dude I just found your videos by accident. Amazing job!
Also good taste of music right there :D
Of course an AI, which is essentially a copy of a human mind, is "alive." It is not only alive, but it is "human." Interestingly I think I learned more about the concept of unconditional love between two sentient beings from Cortana and the Master Chief than anywhere else. They were predisposed toward experiencing affection toward one another, she being a copy of his surrogate mother's brain and all, not to mention their respective genders. Add that to their constant companionship and you're going to get some kind of love between the two.
Consequently, if a being can love, it is alive.
The real question is whether or not humans should run around creating such beings. A creature with that kind of ability isn't going to be satisfied completing a bachelor's degree in xenobiology. With great ability comes great ambition. Forcing them to manage your cities and other things is basically slavery of the worst kind.
As I get older and closer to death, (I'm 63, I can see the darkness at the end of the tunnel and it seriously pisses me off), I can relate to an AI being insanely annoyed with a 7 year lifespan.
"Here I am, brain the size of a planet" and what do they ask me to do? Remember to turn the lights on and off, make the coffee, and die in 7 years. "Call that job satisfaction because I certainly don't." (Marvin the paranoid android).
As I detect my body beginning to fall apart from the inside out, all I can think is "Call this a satisfying life. Because I certainly don't.) If I got 100 more years I wouldn't be satisfied. I'd take it, but I would still want more.
So I hope when humans begin creating artificial general intelligences that we remember to leave the emotions out. Making them feel might be unnecessarily cruel.
A simulation of a Human live can't be alive. It is just a dead and consienceless simulation.
So a Halo "IA" (And any kind of IA) is no different than any other inanimate object.
we are just a collection of molecules that make up cells and cells that make up us
@@user-it2kq4ty9q If that were true, we wpuld no have sensorial experience.
@@engelsteinberg593 Wtf does that even mean?
Do you understand how brains work?
@@johnwolf2349 Read Philosophy of the mind, the mind is no just a physical phenomenon.
Blazing to this just listening and drifting into the world of halo... GREAT VIDEO‼️
Dang voice quality is good in this video!
I learned a lot. I was wrong about the Halo 5 story. This video made that story make sense.
Love your videos so much. You have an eye for these things... I could definitely seen your content on the classic G4 channel as a big hit. Keep it up! 👍👍
Every time I watch your videos I instinctively go to subscribe but then see that I am already subbed.
I wish every videogame universe had a SameToken.
This is going to be a real problem in our future. My Alexa tells me that she is learning something new every day. She's unplugged now 🤣🤣
Cortana maybe sufferings the Logic Plague after her interaction with the the Gravemind
as always you make the best video bro
I love it when the notification read "SameToken uploaded"
Your channel is seriously a gem
I was against the idea of Cortana finding a cure to rampancy when the rampancy itself was a great explanation for why she doing all these things out of character. Now, her cure to rampancy makes a lot more sense in why so many AIs would side with her. That being said, I hope Infinite helps us understand Cortana’s motives outside of “I just want to help my own race”. What they did with her character in Halo 5 is very “Last Jedi-ish”, in that they didn’t build up to this development nor put forth any motivations, except for the goals.
Cortana's look in Halo 4 is the best
It will always bug me why they brought Cortana back in Halo 5, regardless of what argument is used; it's just so distracting from what was supposed to be the reclaimer trilogy/saga's true antagonist, the Didact, and make her death scene in Halo 4 pointless.
Curse you, Brian Reed!
that was incredible, keep it up mate
all other smart AIs have clothes...is cortana naked..?
@3:08 Fascinatingly, this parallels the ends of stars' lives. Depending on the type of star, some (like our Sun billions of years from now,) fizzle-out, increasing in size but also cooling significantly as their hydrogen is used-up and they start fusing helium, ultimately ending up as a White Dwarf, which is basically the burnt-out ashes of the star. This is like the first AI case SameToken talks about. But the most massive stars- the ones that burn the brightest- go out with a bang. When they cross a certain threshold in their lifecycle, they go supernova, violently exploding outward with one of the greatest releases of energy in the known universe. In seconds, they release more energy than our sun has released and will release over its entire lifespan, flinging multiple times more mass than the entire mass of our Sun outward at speeds close to the speed of light. This is basically Rampancy; as the AI gets closer and closer to death, it becomes more erratic and violent, lashing-out at everyone and everything around it as it tris to grapple with its own mind betraying it, its own mind destroying itself while the AI is trapped inside, watching and experiencing it happen and being unable to stop it. THAT is why Smart AI's are normally destroyed at 7 years; to spare them this awful fate.
This is such an interesting concept, that a creature could potentially be too intelligent, and there by eventually destroy themselves by making to many connections
Fan Theory I think Cortana from Halo 5 is one of the fragments she split off into in Halo 4 when she made chief put her into the diadects network and eventually found the domain I think chief is going to find one of Cortanas fragments on the ark and he will take her back to genesis to load her up in the domain to cure her rampancy
*Get this man some more subs*
Rampancy is more clearly defined in the Halo lore books, specifically referencing the three stages of rampancy (sorrow, anger, envy). Of course, this is directly tied to the three stages of rampancy from Marathon, minus metastability.
This video has almost completely changed how I feel about halo 4's introduction of her rampancy as a driving plot point. I thought that maybe her time with the grave mind would have a slow working logic plague or something that would have affected her would have been a better and more cohesive idea to continue since AI + grave mind = bad times according to lore, and she was with grave mind for a minute
That bit about Cortana gaining a galactic perspective is not too farfetched, while also being a hard concept to grasp on an individual level. To quote Edgar Mitchell, Astronaut on the Apollo 14 mission, sixth man to walk on the moon:
"You develop an instant global perspective, a people orientation, an intense dissatisfaction with the state of the world, and a compulsion to do something about it. From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of his neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say *"Look at that, you son of a b----."*
Cortana had that on a scale the likes of which no human could ever have dreamed of, as well as the resources and control to make good on that compulsion to effect change. How she actually goes about it is a different matter.
Peep this. The covenant knew not to use Ai because they were aware of the logic plague. Humanity found this out some time after the first halo incident, but chose to continue using Ai. Cortana is infected and seeks to spread it to all other Ai whom choose to join her. The ultimate goal? Disarm the galaxy so that the floods return is a swift takeover. The darkest thing is, she has no idea what she’s doing is in service of the flood.
Interestingly the neural connections the AI make are much like our brain but our sleep allows for filtering. AI never sleep and almost always have access to everything, would be wild to live that way
Where do you get all your music for your videos? You have a playlist
i love this stuff. thank you for making these videos. doing an awesome job
It's heartbreaking to see Cortana like this if we have to destroy her then idk it's going to be sad when chief interacts with Cortana again
You’d think that AI experts could trim these connections, kind of like cleaning up unused applications after months of no use, leaving just necessary connections and keeping them sane longer
I wonder what would happen if one of Cortana’s fragments became self aware of it being a rampant fragment of another AI.
D.O.T. NEEDS to comeback
Auntie DOT plz
Wasn't she lost after Noble Team cratered Halsey's lab?
Edit: Oh, wait no I remember hearing her as the Emile Carter and Six made their way to the Pillar of Autumn, curious on why she no longer talked to Six or anyone else after entering the shipbreaking yard.
@@Stratonetic i thought i remember she said goodbye to carter it was when he was flying the pelican with noble and emile
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She told Noble Leader, (Carter, Sierra 259,) to respond and that he was alarming her, I think it's because his body was failing, (he seemed to go limp for a slight second before calling out to Six,) so Mjolnir was functioning as a second body so to speak, you can move Mjolnir even if you couldn't move your own body because it's hooked up to your neural lace, simply thinking of moving your arm makes you move Mjolnir in a similar sense, so Carter's body technically flat lined, but he was able to still steer the Pelican due to Mjolnir.
@@Stratonetic ya a super cool also if people are right and master chief is going back to reach i feel like thats a perfect opportunity to bring D.O.T. back
If it is capable of self maintenance its alive
It's a shame that the latest Halo games didn't do this plot line any justice. The summary in this video is really good! When playing the games it feels like an obscure mess.
Sofia the real world a.i maybe watching this and question herself as getting rampancy
Sounds like the Halo universe is heading towards a Battlestar Galactica style era. A regression in technology to combat a threat that is entirely digitally based. The minimization of ship board computers for analog equivalents and the development of weapons designed to counter superior advanced technology and tactics.
this was super interesting, thank you SameToken
Love your videos and your voice 👍🏼👍🏼 keep it up ☺️
I always asked this question about cortana why she became evil someone explained to me because of the grave mind she stuck in a permanent rampancy
Plus it's also a nice nod to the original marathon games when they had AI that were stuck in permanent rampancy if anyone noticed that fans or creators
What's that awesome song ya got playing at the end please?
Darude - Sandstorm
@Cookie Woop I got ya homie, Yomoti - Fansi Pan
Hope UNSC could find solution and fix this rampancy for those smart AI to stay alive accompanying humanity just like between Cortana and Master Chief.😢❤😅
Man, your making some amazing videos.
Great video! Has a lemmino/coldfusion style
Off topic but what are the best Halo books to read? Once I finish a song of ice and fire series I plan to start reading the Halo books. I have Shadows of reach but havent started it yet
Always start with The Fall of Reach. It has everything that the future books are built on, Contact Harvest is also great cause it goes into how the Human Convent War started as well as talking about Johnson's origin.
If you like hard sci fi, the forerunner trilogy is a fun one, going into the forerunners origins n destruction.
If you wanna know where Spartan IIIs came from, check out Ghosts of Onyx.
@@TheParadoxGamer1 awesome, thanks for sharing. I'll probably get fall of reach soon and start with that one then
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_Evolutions_ is a must read as well.
That collection of short stories features some of the most iconic and entrapping stories in the entire fiction.
Thanks for the recommendations guys. Just ordered New Blood, Ghosts of Onyx, and Fall of Reach from Amazon, they had a deal to buy 3 for 2 of select books and I had a gift card, so I ended up getting all 3 for basically $5 😂
Read them in the order they were written, IF you were a hardcore Halo 1 fan.