Good video Brent. For me, the R7 has flaws but it's small enough to be forgiven - 3 things, ergonomics, rolling shutter and buffer but I manage to learn to get around it through reprogramming, learning and practicing new habits. Find myself in a first-world dilemma of trying to decide to bring either the R5 or the R7 to Scotland to catch sea birds. Since I'm bringing my RF800 + RF100-500 - the R7 is small - and I'll be having the 2 telephotos, I'll bring both bodies along. When shooting birds, that extra reach is undeniable.
Upgrading from an 80D, I had similar experiences with the R7 not being able to get sharp photos, whether that was autofocus issues, shuttershock, rolling shutter, whatever. It was just not fun. Ultimately, I returned the camera. I tried the R6, and it was the opposite experience. What a joy. So much fun. Sharp photos, great shutter, great controls. Missing the reach, of course. But since bird photography is my hobby, and I do my hobby for fun, the R7 was not the camera for me. In the back of my mind, I keep hoping that there is some sort of Canon crop-sensor pro camera that might be in their plans down the road (perhaps an R2 or R4??).
I really appreciate your “R5/R6 user” disclaimer. That explains your disappointment in form factor and buttons disposition. on the opposite, I am a Sony user, and when I used to shoot with R5 it was me to be disappointed for button. But with the R7 I really feel comfortable with buttons disposition, they’re more logic to me. Nice video, hope you’ll be healthy
Really depends on what and where you are shooting as well as personal preferences and experience. I'm using my R7 out of preference to my R5 maybe 90% of the time. Main reason being the detail that I'm able to pull out of that very high linear resolution sensor in most lighting conditions. The rolling shutter/loud mechanical shutter 'trade-off' is handled by assigning the DOF button to instant electronic/mechanical switch. So I shoot electronic most of the time, but if I lock on to a fast moving bird I can switch to mechanical instantly 'on the fly'. Can't do much about the noise, but since the bird is already airborne spooking it isn't an issue. I think that my leaning to the R7 probably has something to do with the fact that I've been a Nikon shooter most of my birding life. Most late Nikon DSLRs and all (?) Nikon mirrorless have no optical low-pass filter and the retention of detail compared to the R5 (which has one) is noticeable. For me, the gorgeous images that I get out of the R7 when used with the 'workarounds' for the negative aspects of the camera make it preferable to the R5. I use a Canon 300mm 2.8 MkII with 1.4 TC to give me an effective FOV of 670mm at F4. It's a super-sharp combination. I haven't noticed any focussing issues with the R7 that aren't also a 'feature' of most other mirrorless cameras, fewer in fact.
Hi, Chris: I'm really intrigued by the way you re-mapped the DOF button to switch shutter modes, but I can't seem to find the appropriate setting on the "Customize Button" menu. The only choice that sounds remotely related to the shutter mode is "Silence Shutter", but you have to be in electronic shutter mode first. Can you tell me what the customized setting is called? I'm using firmware 1.4.0 if that makes a difference. Thanks.
@@wellingtoncrescent2480 Hi, this will have to be from memory, since I'm back to shooting Nikon and have sold my Canon gear but there are two stages to setting this up. First you have to set the shutter to either mechanical or first curtain, in the setup menu. Then, assign the DOF button to silent shutter/shooting (can't remember the exact phrasing). Now, when you press the DOF button the camera changes from mechanical to silent electronic shutter. To get back to mechanical just press the DOF button again. You must have it setup for mechanical or first curtain for this to work. It will not work if you have it setup for electronic in the menu system. if you configure as I have suggested you can flick backwards and forwards from mech to electronic just by pressing the DOF button. Note that you cannot assign a simulated shutter sound to electronic if you do this. Silent means silent. I believe I got this tip from one of the 'Wild Alaska' UA-cam videos, a fairly early one on the R7. I used it all the time and set up several fellow birder's R7s to do this also! Best of luck!
@@chriskenyon8843 Thanks for the prompt reply. When I set the default mode to mechanical or electronic first curtain, it works as promised. Much appreciated.
I had an r7 on order, cancelled it and bought an r62. Really like the r62. First mirrorless for me but also first full frame. One wheel for iso, one for aperature one for shutter, and a histogram in the viewfinder to supplement viewfinder brightness. Makes shooting in manual really much much better, plus the autofocus. I would buy an aps version of an r62 in a heartbeat. Make the camera identical except for the sensor size and pixel density (24 or 32 mp on an aps sensor). I like to carry 2 bodies, but if they could have IDENTICAL controls life would be so easy. It is not easy to switch back and forth. Iso buttons suck no matter where they are. Good review
Good video Brent. I shoot aviation and wildlife with an R6 and R7. Had not shot either in a while, but on a recent trip to DC with the family, took the R6, and it reminded me why I love it. Tough to quantify, but for me, the R6 is just a much more enjoyable experience, and 9 out of 10 times, I get more consistent results from the 6. I want to love the R7, but just can't quite get there. I totally relate to the AF jumping off randomly for no reason along, missed focus that is presumably locked in, and the off putting sound of the mechanical shutter. I have an Ireland trip in 2024 that is a once in a lifetime thing, and hands down I will take the 6 over the 7. I may just sell the 7 to fund an R62. Take care of that shoulder!
Thanks for a great video. It was good to learn that others have the same problem as me with the autofocus. But I have found a way to improve this for static motives like a bird sitting relatively still, and that is to not keep the autofocus button in for more than a split second. As soon as the blue square marks that the eye or the bird has been focused, I let go of the button, and then all the fotos in that series will be sharp. I may repeat this a couple of times to be sure, but in total this has improved my keeper rates drastically.
Great comprehensive review. It really confirms a lot of what I feel about my R7 vs my R5. When it’s good, it’s very good, but the focus issue is the thing that frustrates me most. Soft images when the camera is telling me it’s locked on is the most maddening thing for me. It drives your keeper rate way down. A lot of folks say the R7 focus system is better than the R5’s. It may be slightly more advanced, but in my experience the R5 is still a more reliable, accurate system.
Hi Brent, good video. I also have the R5 in addition to the R7. I love both but I’m finding that I’m grabbing the R7 more than the R5. For bird photography I’m finding the R7 and the 800mm F11 is a great combination. I’m really happy with the incredible reach and image quality, also when I pair the R7 with the 100-500mm I have a really flexible combo for wildlife. The R5 is a great camera but I feel some of the features on the R7 are superior. My hope is that some of those deficiencies are fixed with those promised firmware updates for the R5. So in conclusion the R7 for me is a fantastic backup to the R5 and I love both. Best of luck with your health problems….tea always makes things seem better!
Oh nice, I'm glad you're liking it! When I nail the shot, and the AF is on point, and the light is good, I really love the IQ from the R7! It's just not as pleasant to use for me personally. I am definitely looking forward to an R5 II next year (hopefully) though.
I have switched from M mode to Fv which enables quick easy control of the 4 main adjustments very easily. When I do shoot in M mode I use Auto ISO so its not a problem I uograded from a 90D to the R7 and love the camera.
Thanks, Brent. I appreciated your insights. As you point out, many of your concerns are based on how the physical layout compares to other R models, which may be less of a concern for those who don't own multiple bodies. Still, they are fair criticisms, fairly made and helpful. I was however surprised by your description of how the AF readily loses its subject, which hasn't been my experience for sports or birds. Did you find any difference depending on the focus case? I'm mostly using Case 2, which Canon describes as "effective if you prefer the focus not to switch to non- subjects or the background". Canon also suggests adjusting the sensitivity further to favour the initial subject if you wish. Thanks again.
If you have already done a video for the autofocus settings you use for the R7, can you please point me to it? If not can you please do a video on the AF settings? Thanks.
I absolutely love my R6II (though I mostly use it for filming the UA-cam videos). I hadn't thought about doing a long term review for it, but I suppose I could.
I too would like an deep dive into the R6ii I run an r6 now, trying to replace my 7dmkii with either the r7 or 6dii mostly shoot wildlife, birds, landscape.
I have the Nikon P1000, I already had the 90D and I'm tired of the APSC and its limitations, I'm going to buy the R8 or the R6M2, these noise reduction software are good, I agree with you but they have a price, less quality. Full sensor gives me more satisfaction! The R7 is just a 90D decorated with the same mechanical shutter problems as the 90D with improved iso worked internally by digic X but I see lifeless images! Thank you for your review, I completely agree! You were even kind to R7.
Brant, talking about being budget restricted , the R7 and the R8 are at the same price level, and I just saw Canon had a promotion on the R. I am not to keen going to the R because is older generation of processor, and other things. But what would be your recommendation between these 3 cameras if you are constrained by budget and cannot get to the more expensive ones?
Thank you Brent, I'm using 7D M2 since 2017, now i'm having focus issue with Tamron 150-600 G2, I'm planning to switch to mirrorless since last year but as it coast too much for me, my few years saving worth half after devalue of our currency against US$, since last few months I'm watching/reading the reviews before spending much money on body, your review is eye opener for me, I'm planing between R7 and R8. I do lot of walk in dry habitats and here birds are very shy due to hunting practices, I can't afford two body/lens at all, I travel via motorbike, so it have problem of carrying more weight.
Appreciated this vid. The qualified negativity was perfect for me, because I am coming from an R5. Hearing your negative perspective gives me a better idea of how this lens functions in my bag. IF it makes it in, it's purpose would be the second body, likely with the RF800, when we are exploring Yellowstone this fall. IF it works well in that roll, then I likely keep the RF800 on it all the time and use the R5 with everything else. I am hesitant to pull the trigger on an R7 because of the focus issues and the layout issues. I know others are jazzed by the 'reach' it creates with the APS-C sensor, but part of me is arguing that an R6 might not be a better solution. Put the RF800 on the R5 and crop in as needed and run whatever second lense is appropriate on the R6. Anyway, appreciated your observations; hope you are healing up by this time.
I'm pretty sure that your out-of-focus pix of the hawk are due to heat shimmer and not the camera or lens. The constantly varying densities of air between you and the bird will cause that to happen with any camera and long lens. If you happen to have shot any video of that scene, you can easily see it. It's like looking through moving water. I'm nearly 100% sure that it's not the camera that's at fault.
Yeah, that's definitely a likely culprit for sure. It was a bad example compared to the ones right after that where the hawk dropped into the trees and I was focused on it and firing away and then the af just jumped off and to trees around it and the bird was completely out of focus. I had to let off the af and use the single point to find it again, then re-engage the eye af, and then it locked on for a minute before jumping right back off again. That was the example I should have shown in hindsight, but I'm a space cadet and didn't think about it when filming. That's also the case that is most common with my R& af experiences as well.
Nice review! I ordered the R7 and got it the day after they started shipping. I was blown away by it’s IQ on day one with the 100-500 lens. It focused quickly and I loved some of the images I was getting. I used it for 6 months. The more I used it the less happy I was with it. In the end I sold it and went with an OM-1 as my primary body. I sold all my Canon gear mainly because I was annoyed with the choices Canon made on the R7. I wanted crop sensor reach in a premium body. It hurt me to sell the 100-500. Had the R6ii been out at that time I might have held on to my RF lenses. Canon could have easily made a pro crop sensor body for $2500. I would have bought 2 of them.
If you program the control ring to control ISO (or whatever you like), that automatically works with every RF lens and the control ring adapter for EF lenses. You don't set it up for each lens separately. Because the control ring gives the 3rd dial, the 4-way pad on the back is far more useful than another dial as it gives you 4 programmable buttons instead, while still acting as a navigation control too (when scrolling through photos or menus).
I am a huge fan of the R7, but the control ring isn't as useful as I expected it to be. Firstly, I find it a bit inaccessible in the narrow slot at the lens mount. This may be less of an issue if you assign it to your least important adjustment. However, there is no control ring with the 18-150 mm kit lens, which is the default lens for many. I also found many of Brent's concerns were based on how the layout compares with other R models, which may be less compelling for those of us who don't move between multiple bodies. That said, they're fair criticisms, fairly presented. I would also agree with your suggestion that the 4-pad be customized for additional programmable buttons, which I have found very useful.
That's good to know, because I've never actually used the control ring on any of my rf cameras or lenses. I guess I've never really felt the need to with how my other cameras were laid out.
because I was adapting ef lenses on the r5 I bought the control ring one and now I have the R7 It has been an easy change over apart from muscle memory on the second wheel on the camera. I was very on the fence with the R7 at first but now it’s actually starting to better the R5 in sone situations
@@wellingtoncrescent2480 The kit lens does have a control, as do all RF lenses. I just tested mine to make sure (I never use the kit lens) and it works fine, but it's de-clicked, so you don't feel each 1/3 stop change. It sits right at the end of the lens, next to where the barrel comes out.
@@cooloox Thanks, cooloox. I should have been more clear; there is a programmable ring on the lens, which is set to manual focus by default. Since I frequently use the manual focus to fine-tune the AF, it's not really available for ISO or aperture. That's quite different from the control ring on my other RF lenses e.g. the RF 100-500, where there is a focus ring, a focus lock, and a separate control ring. I'm not sure how it works on the adaptor, as I don't own one.
Excellent video. I’m not sure if this is a dumb question but will ask… I am still using my 7D Mk2 and was wondering about the shutter shock that you mentioned - will it be just as bad on the 7D MK2 as on the R7?
Brent, I've found the same issues with the focus you have. I also have the R5 and recently bought the EF 600 f/4 MKII for the R5. When possible I will now use that combo, unless I have to do a lot of walking, in which case I use the R7 and 100-500. But, the R7 in not-ideal light can be very unpredictable in terms of focus. I switch between electronic and electronic 1st curtain. Sometimes I find the all-electric shutter to result in worse results in terms of sharpness. And, the warping with the electronic shutter pretty much always happens if you take a batch of the same subject. Hopefully an R5 MKII will have a higher MP count, which will make it better for the 100-500 for small birds. Until then, I will use whichever setup is best for the situation at hand. Hope your shoulder surgery happens soon and is a smooth recovery! Have you tried using a monopod with the R5/7 and 100-500?
Injuring my thumb a while back forced me to reduce my use of back button focussing. So I leave "single point" on the shutter release and only use the back button to engage animal eye/tracking. So R7's ergonomics wrt back button placement wouldn't bother me. Shutter noise would. I read somewhere that it helps with the warped images if you turn off auto level?
I started with an R6, which was a great camera. I planned on selling it when I got the R7, but found I can't bring myself to give it up for family casual/travel/portrait purposes. But I really haven't gone back to it for wildlife since getting the R7. For layout issues, I agree the R6 is better, but since I pretty much always use auto iso, I really only need two dials (actually, usually one, since I most often shoot with the 600mm f11). I'm never in blinds or hunkered down -- if a bird comes close it's truly a fortunate moment, and so the ability to a) have crop factor; and b) have a lot more pixels to clip have been key plusses for the R7 for me. I haven't done a ton of side-by-side AF comparisons, though they're at least comparable in my experience. I rarely just hold down the trigger so I've never hit the buffer. I do agree I hate the shutter noise -- seems just as loud as my wife's DSLR, far noisier than the R6.
Yeah, I mostly shoot in auto iso as well, but where I miss the iso dial is when I need to do quick exposure compensation, like when the small dark bird is in a bright area. It's just the little things like that, you know. when I nail the shots though, and the AF is on point, and the light is good, man I really like the R7's IQ.
I have both R6 and R7 and i love holding both cameras for event and only R7 for birdphotography. I had focus issues with Sigma 150-600mm sport but with right settings and sigma doc settings it focuses how its supose to now.
Great video, Brent and spot on. I've had the R7 since it came out and reach with the RF100-500 sold me. 800mm at F7.1 isn't too bad. Yes, the AF jumping around has been an (unpredictable) issue, but when it does work, it's spot-on. Like so many others have said or implied, the small buffer all but forced me to change my way of shooting and being conservative on the shutter button. No more 'spray and pray'. More like 'spray sparely'. Anyway, I have most of the same gripes as you and maybe a few more likes, which is why I still have it for wildlife. With 3rd party software, the noise isn't an issue with most of my keepers, so I go back to the 800mm and how much closer it brings me. When it captures an image, they're very sharp as well, but that lens (RF100-500) is part of the equation. Nice and sharp.
Thanks Brent! I went from a Canon 60D + 400mm 5.6, which gave decent results, to the R7 + RF100-500 - a huge upgrade. I use the combination exclusively for bird photography and have nothing but positive things to say about the R7. Could I go to an R5? Yes, but I honestly don't feel the need to at this time - the quality of images that I'm presently getting are so good. For my purposes, the R7 is close to perfect.
Dude. Sorry to hear about your shoulder. Have suffered often over the years so commiserations. The R7. Drives me mad. I also shoot the R5. The R7 autofocus inconsistency just does my head in and like you, I’m on the fence every day about just selling it and moving on. 🤷🏽🤷🏽🤷🏽
That focus issue is the exact reason I sold my 7DMKII. Could never get correct focus, no matter calibration etc. Sometimes front focus, sometimes back focus. Just took the fun out of photography.
The biggest difference is sensor readout speed of R5 ~16 ms and the R7 it's ~29 ms. Add to it low light and its normal that AF goes crazy. Someone on YT was going tests and with same amount of light R5 ISO 400 is like R7 ISO900, and with lower light the difference gets bigger. Its like comparing 2 different fruits.
Hey Brent! After your words about stickiness of eye AF this came up to my mind: are you assigning eye-AF to a star-button via a pictogram of an eye ("Eye detection AF") in the settings or with "Metering and AF start" (by detail setting eye-tracking with info button)? Because in the first case the AF won't be guided by your servo-AF settings in the purple menu.
@@bornufree I don't know exactly but when i assigned "Eye detection AF" to a star button my setting of initial servo AF point was not working. So as the case of servo af. I guess, canon programmed some default settings to "Eye detection AF" that overrun all other settings
32mp on a apc means every little shake Will give a photo out of focus. You have to shoot at higher shutterspeed than you are used to. For me i have to shoot at 20% higher shutterspeeds to get sharp photos.
Thanks for your insights. I was just at the Tucson Audubon Birding Festival and am looking to move on from my Canon 5D Mark III to a mirrorless. I've been trying to make the decison on what to go with as I'd also like to save money and be able to use my existing EF lenses for a while. I'm also not looking for a "one to one" replacement as I found out I wasn't making money doing photography and need to go less expensive. As I'm looking at a replacement to be able to take wildlife photos more for fun and myself....I've been considering the R7. I know I'm going to give up some features, etc. by going down from the 5D Mark III to the R7, but they are differences I can live with.
Thanks for speaking up about the R7's inability to hold focus! I tracked a lifer for five hours this week. I finally got my shot . . . I was on electronic shutter (use case 2, under forest canopy, and 50' away) and all I got before the bird flew was THREE (3) images. Fortunately, the red box showed that "focus" was exactly where I wanted it on all three images. BUT . . . first image was, I would rate, a 95% sharp image. The second image was really bad. I would rate it 75% -- the bird and species were recognizable, but it was a bad photo. Third image was the best of the three -- probably a 97% sharp image. None of the three is usable on my website. None of the three is close to being usable for prints. My R5 would have locked focus and held it. I'm very disappointed with the R7. From now on, I won't use it unless there's a ton of light, the subject is a long way away, and the subject is stationary.
Funny I have R5 and R3 and I reach for my R7’s the majority of the time. Shot full time in Kenya with it last safari and have been shooting BIF everyday for months with it. I’m getting some fantastic, sellable images. Yes it’s different from the R5, and it’s prosumer in a lot of ways, but with the right glass it’s an exceptionally good wildlife camera. If you can afford some decent glass and want that extra bit of crop factor, couple it with noise reduction and you’re hard pressed to beat to. I’ve got a couple of natgeo images and a lot of contest entries with the R7 so a bit surprised with how you feel overall.
That's awesome that you're liking the R7 so much! Though, just because you're liking it, doesn't mean you should assume others will to the same extent, since everyone's different, you know. I don't hate the camera at all, and I am genuinely impressed and very pleased with some of the images I'm able to get with it. It's just that personally, I find it less enjoyable to use than my other cameras, even at the expense of getting some extra reach. But, like I said in the video, just because I personally would rather use a different camera, doesn't mean it isn't very capable or wouldn't be great for others.
I have very similar feeling about the R7 coming from the R5. For me, it comes down to the shutter options on the R7. It’s rolling shutter or shutter shock…you have no choice. If they just put a lighter mechanical shutter in there, it would be a much more compelling option.
So interesting you alerted me to this in your channel and I can live with the roller shutter and have hr benefit of sharper images. The shutter slap is honestly horrible! For me, fair points are covered here and I detest the iso button (I should swap with with the record button lol) and the lack of a battery grip; as my small hands my pinky naturally is used to grips over the years. Everything else is cool if you don’t think of this as a 7Dii replacement
I got to the point where I was going to dump the R7. I just couldn't depend on it. Compared to the R6 it was extremely loud and every shutter actuation you could feel the impact of the shutter. I've never felt anything as bad in over 50 years of shooting. And this was using 1st electronic curtain shutter. I decided to use electronic shutter and obviously the noise went away but my images became sharp. Even at 200 yards away. I was getting blurry shots almost all the time. I liked the camera other than the terrible images. Once I switched it was a completely different experience. IF you are having similar issues try Electronic shutter. I've had no problems with rolling shutter since 95% of my shooting is in totally natural settings.
I use the R7+100-400is ii as a back up to my A1+200-600 ( I was 100% Canon shooter since 2006 ). It has some advantages for video as the stabilsation is better and the whole rig is lighter than the A1 combo. I have been tempted to buy the 100-500is but after hiring it I didn't see any great benefits when tracking birds in flight. I also see the focus jump off birds in flight for no reason and have difficulty getting it back in focus. Shooting at 500m handheld at 1/25 with the 100-500is I got 85% of shots critcally sharp, at 1/50 100% were sharp that is better than the 100-400is ii can achieve.The extra reach is nice and the focusing is more consistent than my 100-400is ii. I was alarmed to see the focus inconsistency you experienced on still subjects. Rolling shutter is hideous, trying to use RAW burst to capture small fast birds appear to be a waste of time as the wings or totally distorted making the shots unuseable. Having said all that its good value for money.
Shooting with FV mode on the R7 I control all of my main settings while I'm looking through the viewfinder with just the front dial and rear wheel. My aperture, shutter speed, exposure compensation, and iso are all right there and ready to change at any moment. I had the R6 and FV mode on the R7 is much simpler and faster shooting birds and wildlife daily. I never use that ISO button for ISO. I must have assigned it to something else, it actually locks in the current ISO setting.
I have an R5 and R6. The rolling ES and loud mechanical shutter are the two main reasons I didn't get an R7. As you said, the other bodies will spoil you for anything less. I considered the R7 for video, but I will wait for the R5 Mark II to replace the R6. In the interim, I hope that the rumored AF firmware upgrade comes true for the R5. Good luck with the shoulder. Best to get on with it for the quality of the rest of your life.
Yeah, I'd definitely like it fixed sooner rather than later, but unfortunately, I'm at the mercy of the VA, since that's the only health insurance I have. Hopefully by this summer I'll get the surgery, and hopefully they'll do a better job this time than the last few times (this will be surgery number 10 for me, first on this shoulder).
@@BrentHall yikes. I hear so many VA horror stories. I had an employee at SSA who was a Marine and a quadriplegic Vietnam vet. Great guy and dedicated worker. But he needed a lot of medical services with advancing age, plus they funded his modified van but lagged when it needed repairs. Nothing but hassles! It's a shame how you vets get treated sometimes. If I haven't said so before, thanks for your service.
Sorry man, I got way behind on comments lately. Personally the shutter count hasn't always really been that important to me. I've never ever had a shutter issue with any canon camera I've ever owned in the last 15 years, and some of them have had many hundreds of thousands of clicks, well past the manufacturer's recommended lifespan. As for other things, I'm more concerned about overall body condition, like how are the buttons, dials, lcd, etc. I don't like anything that has really worn out buttons or has any salt corrosion, that kind of stuff.
I like the FV mode on the R7 because you can change all the exposure settings with only two controls wheels. I was use to three wheels on the 5Ds and R6 I still use.
I also have the R7 in addition to the R5. I shoot mainly wildlife primarily large mammals though I do dabble in birds, mostly grouse. One of the first times I used the the R7, I had a young desert bighorn ram walking down a trail. At about 10 yds away I took a photo and the ram just bolted because of the loud mechanical shutter. I also get that slightly off focus image. It’s really irritating since at least to me it’s not predicable. I was attributing it to the mechanical shutter but it also occurs with electronic first curtain. I’ve hesitated going to electronic shutter because of the rolling effect but I’m going to give it a try (more as a last resort). I have a sage grouse lek that I’ll give it a try on. I do like the reach of the R7. But I do plan on trading the R5 and R7 on the R5 Mark II whenever it comes out. I primarily use the RF 100-500 and RF 800.
As long as the camera is stationary (not panning) I think you would be happy with electronic shutter. I've been using it a lot on fast moving small birds, and while I do have some interesting rolling shutter shots, they aren't as frequent as I feared they would be. One or two here and there. As long as the camera is stationary.
I have the R7 with the Sigma 150/600. Every shots are horrible. I changed the Af from the camera hundred of times and nothing have changed. I have changed some parameters of the Sigma and nothing. I am so frustrated 😢
Oh bummer. I'm sorry to hear that. The old sigma and tamron lenses don't tend to play very well with the canon mirrorless bodies, unfortunately. Maybe try testing out something like the RF 100-400. I know it's a bit shorter and slower at the long end, but it's an incredible lens for the price, and the native mount and af will most likely go a long way to getting you more keepers with the R7.
I own canon 7dii, R7, Sony A6600 and for me the reason why I purchased the R7 was eye AF ! It is alien technology in a very compact design and the keeper rate over my 7Dii is massive. I did not buy an R5 because I can not spend £4,500 on just a body alone, my wife would want a new car, or 2 week holiday in Japan for what I would spend on R5, new memory cards, adapter and RF 70-105 ! For me the R7 has quite a few faults, however the price of £1,350 is justified for the AF technology. I would have a few hundred more to have the 7Dii build and few more features as us 7Dii owners wanted a mirrorless version of our beloved 7Dii !
I'll add my thanks to the group for this thoughtful video! I think a good comparison to make would be between the R6II with the 100-500 plus 1.4 extender to the R7 without the extender. The reason I say this is I need the reach these two setups provide, but up here in Canadian latitudes the light is dimmer and at F10 on my R6II with extender, I'm often pushing ISOs of 6400 where I find the autofocus experience on my R6II with extender is causing all the frustration and lower hit rates that you described on your R7. I'm thinking therefore that the R7 without the extender would be a lighter setup with even more reach than I currently have on my R6II and unlikely to be more frustrating, especially since I'll also be able to zoom out without the extender obstructing the range. I suppose another fair comparison of the autofocus systems would be between the R6II at F7.1 and the R7 at F4.
The same issues with AF on R7. I tried different settings (cases, sensitivity), but AF consistancy remains insufficient. I hope the AF inconsistency will be fixed in future firmware updates.
G rest video as usual, I thought you were talking about me in this video, I came from a dslr and and RP I ve had all the same problems you’ve had but with a lot of practice have overcome most, I’ve learned to feather the shutter, and have never hit the buffer, have had maybe I rolling shutter shot. Eye tracking problems I have noticed have been sporadic but when they happen very stubborn especially in a cluttered background even going to spot focus didn’t always correct it. Thanks for the video learned a lot. Am thinking of getting the R6MII and I think you’ve sealed the deal for me.👀👀
Hello, you mention the R6 Mkii, did you trade in the R6? I currently have an R6 for birding. Do you see any added benefit to trading in the R6 for the MKii? Thanks. Also, nice to hear a straightforward review not just pointing out the cons of the item but why it is a con.
No, I still have the R6. I just mostly use it as a backup camera to my R5 and R6 II now, and also for timelapses and astro stuff. If the R6 II is worth the upgrade really depends on your finances, your shooting style, and needs. For me personally, it was well worth the upgrade, even without a trade-in, but I do a lot of video, and the R6 II replaces my R6 as my main UA-cam filming camera. The extra mp and better AF were also worth it for me.
I also have felt exactly as you do, it's crazy in that one example you showed that out of 40-50 images you only get one that is really sharp and that is with bird perched on limb (unacceptable). Then another time most of them are fairly sharp (what's with that?). I have consistently been frustrated with this camera and since I have a R5 hardly ever pull it out. The auto focus and keeper rate on R5 is so much better that I don't even want to use the R7. Also how it performs in low, low light is horrible. It struggles in good light sometimes to get sharp images, then add low light situation and almost can be impossible. Sure the detail you can get with 32mp crop sensor are extremely impressive, but what good is that if it's hard to get sharp images. I'm going to sell mine and pick me up a R6 mark II for my second body. The improved auto focus, fps and buffer will yield me way more keepers in the field than the R7 ever could. I think one of the big problems is the super resolving power of this sensor, just magnifies any little motion blur, slight miss on focus spot, etc. I hope someday they come out with R7 II and give it auto focus like on R6 II and they also need to fix that violent shutter shock this thing has. Thanks for video Brent, love them.
Wonderful effort! I'm late to the party here, but sympathize with your dilemma. Coming from the R5/R6 MkII, the R7 would present aggravations, and to try to explain them can seem trivial to some, but when you're trying to get the shot for your profession, it's more than trivial. But as an average shooter, I assumed my focus problems were due to my lack of skill, and no doubt most were. But when I was right on the bird and it was just a bit out of focus shot after shot, I really couldn't explain it. Maybe it wasn't me after all! I do love the reach with the R7/100-500, and have addressed the exposure issues of the "dark bird in the bright area" by using the control ring on the lens to adjust the exposure compensation. It's worked very well. I'll sell my R6 and add the R62 one of these days!
Yeah, it's not just you. When paired with that 1-5 though, it's still a solid combo overall. If you ever pick up that R6II, I think you'll be very happy.
Well, the R62 is really my wife's camera, so when I'm out and she's not around or filming the videos, I need a second body, and I figured it would be a decent one. I thought the crop body would be nice for a bit of extra effective reach when I wanted iot and the R7 is really great for everything, like landscape photography, timelapses, video features, etc. It would have been nice for me to just have a nice small backup/travel body.
Since the R7 should be positioned as a professional level APS-C camera which is going to be used by photographers who shoot auto racing and birds in flight, the controls should be the same and in the same positions on the camera body as the full frame cameras. Most of the camera manufacturers can't seem to get this right. The one exception is Nikon. I can move from one body to the next and everything is familiar. That's what I like about the D5 and D500 and even the D850. All about the same. Then the buffer. Again, Canon is thinking wrong. This crop sensor camera should be the exception to the normal amateur purpose of a crop sensor camera. It should be positioned as a professional crop sensor camera and using CFExpress and large buffers as well as a much better EVF should have been the approach. Then the need for a battery grip to balance the weight as well as provide longer battery life. Today, sports cameras need stack sensors. Fujifilm did it, Canon should have done it.
I have an R3 and R5 and R6 and Sony A7iv Nikon Z6ii..... now I ONLY take out the R7 with 500mmF4, 800mmF11, 100-500..... Canon R7 is an amazing camera for my birding and animal shoots. The Layout is very very good. My brain has NO PROBLEM using the ergonomics of the R7.
Hi Brent, I fully agree with all your points in this video and it completely echoes my thoughts on the R7. I have a R5 and had a R6 so for me the tactile aspects of the R7 are lacking. Shutter sound, different dial and joystick placement, lower resolution (and darker) evf and erratic focus all are detracting from my enjoyment of the R7. It it works, the results are absolutely fantastic, and, to be fair, it has some great features too, but the fact that it is erratic makes me nervous about losing the shot. I am contemplating getting the R6 mk2 as a second body based on all the positive reviews but my questions are: Do I need another camera that will do almost the same as what I get from my R5 and am I willing to forego the different effective focal length that the R 7 provides? If the R7 was less erratic and if the dial placement were the same as R3/5/6 and if the mech shutter was less harsh, I would not be contemplating getting rid of the R7.
I mean, if the R7 didn't have those problems, it would be amazing and no one would be complaining, lol. As for if you should get an R6II, that really depends on what you want it for and your budget. It's significantly more expensive than an R7 but imo is superior in pretty much every way except reach. Same with the R5, the R6II imo is better in a lot of ways except mp, digital mode dial, and 8K/4K 120. So if you're wanting better AF, slightly better high iso performance, and updated video features, then R6II would be great for you.
I may have been wrong to donate my R6 to the grand daughter in film school; but I did. I miss it a little. It just ergonomically felt so good plus the sensible control placement. I agree a thousand percent with everything you have said about our R7's. They are a struggle with stuff like the ISO control, etc. So when will there be an R7 MKII?? I asked Phil Thatch after I watched him using R7 plus 100-500 how he got clarity at such a low shutter speed, say 1/650 or so. He answered by saying he and Heather shoot in video and cull the clear one. You ever try that?
oh bummer, lol, though I'm sure she's happy with it! I've never heard of Phil, and I haven't really messed around too much with taking stills from video, or at least shooting video expressly for pulling high res stills. That's awesome that it's working for him though.
tnx I think what you say is fair and justified no need for a disclaimer etc. The video was very useful for me cause I have the R5 and I need a second body so that I'm not changing lenses in the field. So I was looking at the R7/6/ii but based on what you reported I'll probably give the 7 a miss. All the best with your shoulder.
Hello Brent, Thank you for this review and your experience and thoughts on the R7! I always wonder how hard it must be to give a Reivew abaut a Camara, which is in a different league than the Camra that is in daily use. A camera is a tool that should be mastered blindly. The concentration is on the motive and the fingers automatically operate the wheel and the button what is needed in that moment. Of course, handling a new camera body must first be learned. But when the body is significantly different from what is normally used, that's a real challenge. For example the cross button instead of the thumb wheel. Likewise the arrangement of the function keys. Sometimes it's the little things that make the difference. For me, for example, it's the LCD panel on the top. Most critical are things like the buffer. It seems that this is a bottleneck in the R7. I didn't just hear that from you. The problem with the AF that you pointed out. You also mentioned it, the R7 also has positive sides, thus its own charm. What about the dynamic range? APS-C versus full frame Of course, we should not forget that there is a big price difference between R5 and R7. The R5 is still my prefered camera and I’m stil waiting for an R5 Mark II or something similar.
Hi. Just saw your video about your love and hate about the R7. Have you ever thought that some of your out of focus shots are the lens causing this? I had an 24-105 f4 L and my wife has the same lens. 95% of her photos are tack sharp maybe even higher. With my copy of the same lens and same camera bodies, I was lucky to get 50%. So needless to say I sold mine. I have an R6 which I bought to replace my 5D MK iii which in my case was making me thinking about switching brands completely. I absolutely love my R6 for ergonomics and picture quality. I never use my cameras for video as most people do. I would even buy a camera without video capabilities that is comparable to my existing bodies. Then I got my R7 to accompany my R6. Now I use the R7 about 75% of the time. My only complaint with my R7 is the overall size. I wish they would have made it the same size as my R6. It just feels so good in my hand. I never use the rate button so I don’t miss it. All my other features I use regularly are remapped to the 4 way toggle. So I absolutely love this camera. Photo quality is 100% better than my 5D MKiii. Maybe I got a crappy copy of it but I’m glad I got rid of it. So I’m looking forward to watching another of your videos in the future. Cheers
I had the same experience as you with the R7. Sometimes it will work ok, other times I will only get one out of a hundred perfectly sharp shot. It happens with up close stationary birds with camera well stabilized, should be an easy shot. I am not going to use eye detect with it unless I cant possibly get the shot without it, shooting by manually putting the focus point has resulted in much higher keeper rate for me, but that defeats it's most attractive feature. I have an R6 also and it nails focus 95 percent of the time. Canon had successful eye detect autofocus with the R6, R5, and R3 before the R7 so it makes you wonder why the R7 shouldn't be at least somewhat close to them. I posted this issue on DPreview with most saying that settings are wrong and that eye af is complicated when the opposite is true. Many on there claim the R7 is their best focusing camera. I dont see how that is possible unless they use high aperture lenses from a distance where focus is less critical. I tend to shoot near min focus distance on a 500 f4 II and out of focus shots are very pronounced. I am sorry to hear of so many others having the same issues, but glad to know I'm not the only one. I too wished they put th R7 sensor in a R6 body with R6,R5, or R3 focusing, with the R6 shutter as well. I would have paid anything they asked for it. I even contemplated getting a Fuji H2 and adapting my Canon glass with it, but see alot of people having focus issues with those too. I would like a reliable focusing crop camera at some point.
I have the R5 and been on the fence about the R7 but after hearing it keeps jumping off the subject and your expression talking about it and having doubts, I think I will wait for the R5II or get me the R6II, probably will throw on a 1.4 extended on the R5 to get me to 700 and still have a lower fstop then the R7. R5 at 500 f7.1 + 1 stop from the 1.4 = f10, R7 at 500 7.1 x 1.6 from crop factor F11.
I had the R7 since it launch on retail week. It was an upgrade from 7DmkII that I had for many years and I was very happy with the purchase since I never owned a full frame camera. I wanted the R5 but with the older tech inside made me reconsider and I was already over budget by buying the RF100-500l with the body which wasn't planned. But then I I discovered wild photography few months later and I encountered the issues you have with the last segments of the Autofocus system. It is janky. I thought first it was me, but it took many weeks to discover that most of that was from the camera's faultiness, so now I'm disappointed much later on my purchase of these issue now that I know it is common issue for this particular body. And I too put settings to be the stickiest as possible and it has little to no effect. I'm still taking great pictures but like you I am nervous before taking pictures because I have to think all of the wrongs that can happen. My last resolve on how to use this camera is to use it like older DSLR by turning off everything that is related to tracking like eye detection and subject tracking, they just don't work for me.
Oh bummer, I'm sorry you're having a hard time with it too! At least you did right and got a great lens first though! So now if/when you upgrade bodies in the future, you'll have the best glass already. I still think that the R7 is a good camera overall, especially for the money, it's just a shame the af isn't more reliable.
@@BrentHall me coming from long time user of a Tamron 150-600 mil, switching to the 100-500 was a game changer :). I will surely keep the R7 as it is a good overall camera unless I decide to go for a sony sensor like Nikon which seems to be greatly admired for it target acquisition. Rumors had it that Canon will release a R5 mkII at the end of the year so I'm holding on in the meantime 🤞
Really good overview Brent! I couldn't agree more with you regarding the video switch button positioning on the R6 mark II, I really don't like it, it would be much better if on/off and video switch buttons were position vice versa. I hate that I have to move my left hand from supporting the big lens just to flick a switch which really ruins the workflow in the field, this is probably not a problem for wedding photographers etc. when using smaller lenses, but in wildlife scenarios it really sucks, especially when you think that every Canon DSLR (even the consumer models) in the last 15 years or so, had a great video switch button on the right side of the camera which made transitioning between video and photo modes seamless for hybrid shooters and operable by just one hand.
Hi Brent, enjoyed the video. Thank you. With regards to your shoulder, don't know if this applies but I had a massive problem with mine a few years back. Buying a fully adjustable desk that I could lower so my shoulders were never raised took care of the issue for me. I was lucky though as it was just at the first lockdown and offices were selling very fancy desks extremely cheap. Before that I was on various types of menthol creams to try and alleviate the pain. Just a thought. Seems like most people still love their R6s and R5s :-) Same here, love my R6 though I also got the R7 for the extra reach. Some of the waterbird stuff I do I simply cannot get quite close enough. So willing to overloook some of the faults of the R7. The R6 is still the love of my life though (don't tell the wife)
I bought an old Zenit 12 XP with a Helios 44M-4 58mm f2. Unfortunately the aperture blades are sticky so it's only usable at f2. But it's a lot of fun in a limited way on my Canon RP. And of course it's a Valdai manufactured one. But I think that is a non issue for me because I like the flares and hazy low contrast look sometimes. The swirl needs f2-f2.8 frequently but I love it😂 $20 lens and camera😮
Having an R6 and an R7, of course the 6 is the better camera, but it costs 1,000.00 more, is full frame (meaning less noise) and autofocus is stickier. Having said that, the R7 is a great camera, has some improvements in the AF (even though it's not as sticky), gives me that vital extra reach when I need it (and more pixels on subject for cropping), is lighter carrying around, which makes it a great hiking camera. The two things I would like improved are the delay waking up when tapping the shutter (this is the big thing), and the buffer (a small thing). Keep in mind, however, that the buffer is actually larger than on the 7d ii, and it improves dramatically with faster cards. Overall, I am very happy that I traded in the 7dii for the R7. It's a big upgrade.
The earliest attestation of "overcom(e)able" is from 1452 in a manuscript in the British Library (according to the Middle English Dictionary). So, yes, it is a word and it has a respectable history. 🙂
Hey thanks man, I really appreciate that! There definitely doesn't seem to be too many other UA-cam Photography vets out there, lol. Yeah, the VA can be ridiculous for sure. Unfortunately, this is just the tip of the broken iceberg for me, and I've been dealing with the VA since I got out in 2006. I'll remain cautiously optimistic that they'll do a good job this time.
The R7 is a good camera. Just forget about the headline specs. The layout is a bit of a weird choice by Canon in some ways, but you can get used to it.
Well mostly because I was hoping it would have worked out for me and given me the extra reach that wanted, but I had pre-ordered it, so I didn't know the downsides would bother me as much as they did. Plus I figured I could at least use it as a backup timelapse camera.
Bought the R7, sent it back after a week. Images were ok but worried the hell out of me everytime it rained. Horrible rolling shutter and slamming into the buffer almost every time. In the UK, that's every week. Someone recently had their R7 shut down, sent off to Canon EU and they quoted £800 repair due to water damage! Got my Fuji X-H2S, everything the R7 should have been. Stacked sensor, great conversion of my existing EF lenses, superb back screen and viewfinder, wide range of affordsablke lenses and third party lenses, massive buffer and if you are into video............... all the options that money can buy. After buying my first AE1-P, I have always shot Canon, until now.
Glad to hear that your shoulder is getting fixed. I'm still shopping for a camera every month more goes into the camera budget. I'm retired so this will be my last camera. I lean more into stills.
Comparing cameras that have a big difference in functionality and especially price point is inherently unfair. As far as using it as a backup camera to an R5 or R6 Mk II, if you’re being paid to get “the shot” then I would use a second R5 or R6 Mk II so that you can rapidly switch bodies if you have an issue.
Oh it's absolutely unfair, which is why I said my review was skewed. Like I said in the video too, I still think it's a great camera for anyone who's upgrading from a dslr or lesser mirrorless.
@@BrentHall Yes I heard that at the beginning of the video but my response was 1. poorly written and 2. I’m a lousy self editor 😁 In my defense, I hadn’t had enough coffee at that point this morning. 🤷♂😂
@BrentHall I have not watched the Video yet. I am afraid to watch since I bought the R7 and up to this point you have not been a fan, lol. Ok Deep Breath and going to hit play now.
Just take everything with a grain of salt. Most of my gripes are very specific to my perspective and experience. I ultimately still think it's a great camera (with some caveats) and will be wonderful for a lot of people, yourself included. Don't worry too much about what others(including myself) are saying, and just get out there with it and make the most of what you have.
I love my r6 and rf 100 - 500 but still would love R5 still got the itch for it. But price in UK is still ridiculous, if I would sell some of my lenses i would be able to cover some of the cost but I am so attached to all my camera gear it's impossible for me to sell anything. Yes I am wired 😂
Good video Brent. For me, the R7 has flaws but it's small enough to be forgiven - 3 things, ergonomics, rolling shutter and buffer but I manage to learn to get around it through reprogramming, learning and practicing new habits. Find myself in a first-world dilemma of trying to decide to bring either the R5 or the R7 to Scotland to catch sea birds. Since I'm bringing my RF800 + RF100-500 - the R7 is small - and I'll be having the 2 telephotos, I'll bring both bodies along. When shooting birds, that extra reach is undeniable.
Hi brent. Hope you feel better soon. Enjoy your trip . Best regards from james in scotland.
Thanks for the update! We lived in Tucson for a short time and loved taking pictures of birds and planes there.
Upgrading from an 80D, I had similar experiences with the R7 not being able to get sharp photos, whether that was autofocus issues, shuttershock, rolling shutter, whatever. It was just not fun. Ultimately, I returned the camera. I tried the R6, and it was the opposite experience. What a joy. So much fun. Sharp photos, great shutter, great controls. Missing the reach, of course. But since bird photography is my hobby, and I do my hobby for fun, the R7 was not the camera for me. In the back of my mind, I keep hoping that there is some sort of Canon crop-sensor pro camera that might be in their plans down the road (perhaps an R2 or R4??).
You could have educated yourself and got around those issues, but like most people I guess you'd rather give up than put in some effort.
Man I had to look you up, UA-cam has not been serving you up to me and i am subscribed. Nice to see your videos again.
Oh wow, that's weird! Thanks for coming back though!
I really appreciate your “R5/R6 user” disclaimer. That explains your disappointment in form factor and buttons disposition. on the opposite, I am a Sony user, and when I used to shoot with R5 it was me to be disappointed for button. But with the R7 I really feel comfortable with buttons disposition, they’re more logic to me.
Nice video, hope you’ll be healthy
Really depends on what and where you are shooting as well as personal preferences and experience. I'm using my R7 out of preference to my R5 maybe 90% of the time. Main reason being the detail that I'm able to pull out of that very high linear resolution sensor in most lighting conditions. The rolling shutter/loud mechanical shutter 'trade-off' is handled by assigning the DOF button to instant electronic/mechanical switch. So I shoot electronic most of the time, but if I lock on to a fast moving bird I can switch to mechanical instantly 'on the fly'. Can't do much about the noise, but since the bird is already airborne spooking it isn't an issue. I think that my leaning to the R7 probably has something to do with the fact that I've been a Nikon shooter most of my birding life. Most late Nikon DSLRs and all (?) Nikon mirrorless have no optical low-pass filter and the retention of detail compared to the R5 (which has one) is noticeable. For me, the gorgeous images that I get out of the R7 when used with the 'workarounds' for the negative aspects of the camera make it preferable to the R5. I use a Canon 300mm 2.8 MkII with 1.4 TC to give me an effective FOV of 670mm at F4. It's a super-sharp combination. I haven't noticed any focussing issues with the R7 that aren't also a 'feature' of most other mirrorless cameras, fewer in fact.
Hi, Chris: I'm really intrigued by the way you re-mapped the DOF button to switch shutter modes, but I can't seem to find the appropriate setting on the "Customize Button" menu. The only choice that sounds remotely related to the shutter mode is "Silence Shutter", but you have to be in electronic shutter mode first. Can you tell me what the customized setting is called? I'm using firmware 1.4.0 if that makes a difference. Thanks.
@@wellingtoncrescent2480 Hi, this will have to be from memory, since I'm back to shooting Nikon and have sold my Canon gear but there are two stages to setting this up. First you have to set the shutter to either mechanical or first curtain, in the setup menu. Then, assign the DOF button to silent shutter/shooting (can't remember the exact phrasing). Now, when you press the DOF button the camera changes from mechanical to silent electronic shutter. To get back to mechanical just press the DOF button again. You must have it setup for mechanical or first curtain for this to work. It will not work if you have it setup for electronic in the menu system. if you configure as I have suggested you can flick backwards and forwards from mech to electronic just by pressing the DOF button. Note that you cannot assign a simulated shutter sound to electronic if you do this. Silent means silent. I believe I got this tip from one of the 'Wild Alaska' UA-cam videos, a fairly early one on the R7. I used it all the time and set up several fellow birder's R7s to do this also! Best of luck!
@@chriskenyon8843 Thanks for the prompt reply. When I set the default mode to mechanical or electronic first curtain, it works as promised. Much appreciated.
I had an r7 on order, cancelled it and bought an r62. Really like the r62. First mirrorless for me but also first full frame. One wheel for iso, one for aperature one for shutter, and a histogram in the viewfinder to supplement viewfinder brightness. Makes shooting in manual really much much better, plus the autofocus. I would buy an aps version of an r62 in a heartbeat. Make the camera identical except for the sensor size and pixel density (24 or 32 mp on an aps sensor). I like to carry 2 bodies, but if they could have IDENTICAL controls life would be so easy. It is not easy to switch back and forth. Iso buttons suck no matter where they are. Good review
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Good video Brent. I shoot aviation and wildlife with an R6 and R7. Had not shot either in a while, but on a recent trip to DC with the family, took the R6, and it reminded me why I love it. Tough to quantify, but for me, the R6 is just a much more enjoyable experience, and 9 out of 10 times, I get more consistent results from the 6. I want to love the R7, but just can't quite get there. I totally relate to the AF jumping off randomly for no reason along, missed focus that is presumably locked in, and the off putting sound of the mechanical shutter. I have an Ireland trip in 2024 that is a once in a lifetime thing, and hands down I will take the 6 over the 7. I may just sell the 7 to fund an R62. Take care of that shoulder!
Thanks for a great video. It was good to learn that others have the same problem as me with the autofocus. But I have found a way to improve this for static motives like a bird sitting relatively still, and that is to not keep the autofocus button in for more than a split second. As soon as the blue square marks that the eye or the bird has been focused, I let go of the button, and then all the fotos in that series will be sharp. I may repeat this a couple of times to be sure, but in total this has improved my keeper rates drastically.
Great comprehensive review. It really confirms a lot of what I feel about my R7 vs my R5. When it’s good, it’s very good, but the focus issue is the thing that frustrates me most. Soft images when the camera is telling me it’s locked on is the most maddening thing for me. It drives your keeper rate way down. A lot of folks say the R7 focus system is better than the R5’s. It may be slightly more advanced, but in my experience the R5 is still a more reliable, accurate system.
Hi Brent, good video. I also have the R5 in addition to the R7. I love both but I’m finding that I’m grabbing the R7 more than the R5. For bird photography I’m finding the R7 and the 800mm F11 is a great combination. I’m really happy with the incredible reach and image quality, also when I pair the R7 with the 100-500mm I have a really flexible combo for wildlife. The R5 is a great camera but I feel some of the features on the R7 are superior. My hope is that some of those deficiencies are fixed with those promised firmware updates for the R5. So in conclusion the R7 for me is a fantastic backup to the R5 and I love both. Best of luck with your health problems….tea always makes things seem better!
Oh nice, I'm glad you're liking it! When I nail the shot, and the AF is on point, and the light is good, I really love the IQ from the R7! It's just not as pleasant to use for me personally. I am definitely looking forward to an R5 II next year (hopefully) though.
I have switched from M mode to Fv which enables quick easy control of the 4 main adjustments very easily.
When I do shoot in M mode I use Auto ISO so its not a problem I uograded from a 90D to the R7 and love the camera.
To me Fv is the best thing Canon has come up with in years. It's on par with the eye finding AF.
Thanks, Brent. I appreciated your insights. As you point out, many of your concerns are based on how the physical layout compares to other R models, which may be less of a concern for those who don't own multiple bodies. Still, they are fair criticisms, fairly made and helpful.
I was however surprised by your description of how the AF readily loses its subject, which hasn't been my experience for sports or birds. Did you find any difference depending on the focus case? I'm mostly using Case 2, which Canon describes as "effective if you prefer the focus not to switch to non- subjects or the background". Canon also suggests adjusting the sensitivity further to favour the initial subject if you wish.
Thanks again.
If you have already done a video for the autofocus settings you use for the R7, can you please point me to it? If not can you please do a video on the AF settings?
Thanks.
Sounds like you really enjoyed the r6mkii. Will you be making a long term review of that camera like this one?
I absolutely love my R6II (though I mostly use it for filming the UA-cam videos). I hadn't thought about doing a long term review for it, but I suppose I could.
I too would like an deep dive into the R6ii I run an r6 now, trying to replace my 7dmkii with either the r7 or 6dii mostly shoot wildlife, birds, landscape.
I have the Nikon P1000, I already had the 90D and I'm tired of the APSC and its limitations, I'm going to buy the R8 or the R6M2, these noise reduction software are good, I agree with you but they have a price, less quality. Full sensor gives me more satisfaction! The R7 is just a 90D decorated with the same mechanical shutter problems as the 90D with improved iso worked internally by digic X but I see lifeless images! Thank you for your review, I completely agree! You were even kind to R7.
Brant, talking about being budget restricted , the R7 and the R8 are at the same price level, and I just saw Canon had a promotion on the R. I am not to keen going to the R because is older generation of processor, and other things. But what would be your recommendation between these 3 cameras if you are constrained by budget and cannot get to the more expensive ones?
Thank you Brent, I'm using 7D M2 since 2017, now i'm having focus issue with Tamron 150-600 G2, I'm planning to switch to mirrorless since last year but as it coast too much for me, my few years saving worth half after devalue of our currency against US$, since last few months I'm watching/reading the reviews before spending much money on body, your review is eye opener for me, I'm planing between R7 and R8. I do lot of walk in dry habitats and here birds are very shy due to hunting practices, I can't afford two body/lens at all, I travel via motorbike, so it have problem of carrying more weight.
You bet man, I'm glad it helped!
Appreciated this vid. The qualified negativity was perfect for me, because I am coming from an R5. Hearing your negative perspective gives me a better idea of how this lens functions in my bag. IF it makes it in, it's purpose would be the second body, likely with the RF800, when we are exploring Yellowstone this fall. IF it works well in that roll, then I likely keep the RF800 on it all the time and use the R5 with everything else. I am hesitant to pull the trigger on an R7 because of the focus issues and the layout issues. I know others are jazzed by the 'reach' it creates with the APS-C sensor, but part of me is arguing that an R6 might not be a better solution. Put the RF800 on the R5 and crop in as needed and run whatever second lense is appropriate on the R6. Anyway, appreciated your observations; hope you are healing up by this time.
I'm pretty sure that your out-of-focus pix of the hawk are due to heat shimmer and not the camera or lens. The constantly varying densities of air between you and the bird will cause that to happen with any camera and long lens. If you happen to have shot any video of that scene, you can easily see it. It's like looking through moving water. I'm nearly 100% sure that it's not the camera that's at fault.
Yeah, that's definitely a likely culprit for sure. It was a bad example compared to the ones right after that where the hawk dropped into the trees and I was focused on it and firing away and then the af just jumped off and to trees around it and the bird was completely out of focus. I had to let off the af and use the single point to find it again, then re-engage the eye af, and then it locked on for a minute before jumping right back off again. That was the example I should have shown in hindsight, but I'm a space cadet and didn't think about it when filming. That's also the case that is most common with my R& af experiences as well.
@@BrentHall Yep, those heat ripples are the bane of all long-lens shooters!
@@mdrewpix1 Definitely! Physics is not on our side, lol. I've talked about that in a lot of other videos too.
Nice review! I ordered the R7 and got it the day after they started shipping. I was blown away by it’s IQ on day one with the 100-500 lens. It focused quickly and I loved some of the images I was getting. I used it for 6 months. The more I used it the less happy I was with it. In the end I sold it and went with an OM-1 as my primary body. I sold all my Canon gear mainly because I was annoyed with the choices Canon made on the R7. I wanted crop sensor reach in a premium body. It hurt me to sell the 100-500. Had the R6ii been out at that time I might have held on to my RF lenses. Canon could have easily made a pro crop sensor body for $2500. I would have bought 2 of them.
If you program the control ring to control ISO (or whatever you like), that automatically works with every RF lens and the control ring adapter for EF lenses. You don't set it up for each lens separately.
Because the control ring gives the 3rd dial, the 4-way pad on the back is far more useful than another dial as it gives you 4 programmable buttons instead, while still acting as a navigation control too (when scrolling through photos or menus).
I am a huge fan of the R7, but the control ring isn't as useful as I expected it to be. Firstly, I find it a bit inaccessible in the narrow slot at the lens mount. This may be less of an issue if you assign it to your least important adjustment. However, there is no control ring with the 18-150 mm kit lens, which is the default lens for many.
I also found many of Brent's concerns were based on how the layout compares with other R models, which may be less compelling for those of us who don't move between multiple bodies. That said, they're fair criticisms, fairly presented.
I would also agree with your suggestion that the 4-pad be customized for additional programmable buttons, which I have found very useful.
That's good to know, because I've never actually used the control ring on any of my rf cameras or lenses. I guess I've never really felt the need to with how my other cameras were laid out.
because I was adapting ef lenses on the r5 I bought the control ring one and now I have the R7 It has been an easy change over apart from muscle memory on the second wheel on the camera. I was very on the fence with the R7 at first but now it’s actually starting to better the R5 in sone situations
@@wellingtoncrescent2480 The kit lens does have a control, as do all RF lenses. I just tested mine to make sure (I never use the kit lens) and it works fine, but it's de-clicked, so you don't feel each 1/3 stop change. It sits right at the end of the lens, next to where the barrel comes out.
@@cooloox Thanks, cooloox. I should have been more clear; there is a programmable ring on the lens, which is set to manual focus by default. Since I frequently use the manual focus to fine-tune the AF, it's not really available for ISO or aperture. That's quite different from the control ring on my other RF lenses e.g. the RF 100-500, where there is a focus ring, a focus lock, and a separate control ring. I'm not sure how it works on the adaptor, as I don't own one.
Excellent video. I’m not sure if this is a dumb question but will ask… I am still using my 7D Mk2 and was wondering about the shutter shock that you mentioned - will it be just as bad on the 7D MK2 as on the R7?
Brent, I've found the same issues with the focus you have. I also have the R5 and recently bought the EF 600 f/4 MKII for the R5. When possible I will now use that combo, unless I have to do a lot of walking, in which case I use the R7 and 100-500. But, the R7 in not-ideal light can be very unpredictable in terms of focus. I switch between electronic and electronic 1st curtain. Sometimes I find the all-electric shutter to result in worse results in terms of sharpness. And, the warping with the electronic shutter pretty much always happens if you take a batch of the same subject.
Hopefully an R5 MKII will have a higher MP count, which will make it better for the 100-500 for small birds. Until then, I will use whichever setup is best for the situation at hand.
Hope your shoulder surgery happens soon and is a smooth recovery! Have you tried using a monopod with the R5/7 and 100-500?
Which is good R7-R8 camera for hybrid use and potrait and sport photography
Thank you very much for this long term review.
Injuring my thumb a while back forced me to reduce my use of back button focussing. So I leave "single point" on the shutter release and only use the back button to engage animal eye/tracking. So R7's ergonomics wrt back button placement wouldn't bother me. Shutter noise would. I read somewhere that it helps with the warped images if you turn off auto level?
Nice video Brent. I am finding similar floors with the autofocus system but mainly with birds in flight using the RF800. It is frustrating at times.
I started with an R6, which was a great camera. I planned on selling it when I got the R7, but found I can't bring myself to give it up for family casual/travel/portrait purposes. But I really haven't gone back to it for wildlife since getting the R7. For layout issues, I agree the R6 is better, but since I pretty much always use auto iso, I really only need two dials (actually, usually one, since I most often shoot with the 600mm f11). I'm never in blinds or hunkered down -- if a bird comes close it's truly a fortunate moment, and so the ability to a) have crop factor; and b) have a lot more pixels to clip have been key plusses for the R7 for me. I haven't done a ton of side-by-side AF comparisons, though they're at least comparable in my experience. I rarely just hold down the trigger so I've never hit the buffer. I do agree I hate the shutter noise -- seems just as loud as my wife's DSLR, far noisier than the R6.
Yeah, I mostly shoot in auto iso as well, but where I miss the iso dial is when I need to do quick exposure compensation, like when the small dark bird is in a bright area. It's just the little things like that, you know. when I nail the shots though, and the AF is on point, and the light is good, man I really like the R7's IQ.
I have both R6 and R7 and i love holding both cameras for event and only R7 for birdphotography. I had focus issues with Sigma 150-600mm sport but with right settings and sigma doc settings it focuses how its supose to now.
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Great video, Brent and spot on. I've had the R7 since it came out and reach with the RF100-500 sold me. 800mm at F7.1 isn't too bad. Yes, the AF jumping around has been an (unpredictable) issue, but when it does work, it's spot-on. Like so many others have said or implied, the small buffer all but forced me to change my way of shooting and being conservative on the shutter button. No more 'spray and pray'. More like 'spray sparely'. Anyway, I have most of the same gripes as you and maybe a few more likes, which is why I still have it for wildlife. With 3rd party software, the noise isn't an issue with most of my keepers, so I go back to the 800mm and how much closer it brings me. When it captures an image, they're very sharp as well, but that lens (RF100-500) is part of the equation. Nice and sharp.
Thanks Brent! I went from a Canon 60D + 400mm 5.6, which gave decent results, to the R7 + RF100-500 - a huge upgrade. I use the combination exclusively for bird photography and have nothing but positive things to say about the R7. Could I go to an R5? Yes, but I honestly don't feel the need to at this time - the quality of images that I'm presently getting are so good. For my purposes, the R7 is close to perfect.
That really is a great combo, and a massive upgrade from your previous kit!
Dude. Sorry to hear about your shoulder. Have suffered often over the years so commiserations. The R7. Drives me mad. I also shoot the R5. The R7 autofocus inconsistency just does my head in and like you, I’m on the fence every day about just selling it and moving on. 🤷🏽🤷🏽🤷🏽
That focus issue is the exact reason I sold my 7DMKII. Could never get correct focus, no matter calibration etc. Sometimes front focus, sometimes back focus. Just took the fun out of photography.
same issue with my 7Dm2, I almost tied up, time consuming field visit and results are blurry images
The biggest difference is sensor readout speed of R5 ~16 ms and the R7 it's ~29 ms. Add to it low light and its normal that AF goes crazy. Someone on YT was going tests and with same amount of light R5 ISO 400 is like R7 ISO900, and with lower light the difference gets bigger. Its like comparing 2 different fruits.
Hey Brent! After your words about stickiness of eye AF this came up to my mind: are you assigning eye-AF to a star-button via a pictogram of an eye ("Eye detection AF") in the settings or with "Metering and AF start" (by detail setting eye-tracking with info button)? Because in the first case the AF won't be guided by your servo-AF settings in the purple menu.
Thank you for that interesting observation. So assigning eye focus AF to star button uses which settings if not the default ones?
@@bornufree I don't know exactly but when i assigned "Eye detection AF" to a star button my setting of initial servo AF point was not working. So as the case of servo af. I guess, canon programmed some default settings to "Eye detection AF" that overrun all other settings
32mp on a apc means every little shake Will give a photo out of focus. You have to shoot at higher shutterspeed than you are used to. For me i have to shoot at 20% higher shutterspeeds to get sharp photos.
I found out that with the 800mm f11 I can go down to 1/40 second instead of 1/400 at least, if I use silent mode, resting on my balcony ramp
Thanks for your insights. I was just at the Tucson Audubon Birding Festival and am looking to move on from my Canon 5D Mark III to a mirrorless. I've been trying to make the decison on what to go with as I'd also like to save money and be able to use my existing EF lenses for a while. I'm also not looking for a "one to one" replacement as I found out I wasn't making money doing photography and need to go less expensive. As I'm looking at a replacement to be able to take wildlife photos more for fun and myself....I've been considering the R7. I know I'm going to give up some features, etc. by going down from the 5D Mark III to the R7, but they are differences I can live with.
Finally an Honest review
Thanks for speaking up about the R7's inability to hold focus! I tracked a lifer for five hours this week. I finally got my shot . . . I was on electronic shutter (use case 2, under forest canopy, and 50' away) and all I got before the bird flew was THREE (3) images. Fortunately, the red box showed that "focus" was exactly where I wanted it on all three images. BUT . . . first image was, I would rate, a 95% sharp image. The second image was really bad. I would rate it 75% -- the bird and species were recognizable, but it was a bad photo. Third image was the best of the three -- probably a 97% sharp image. None of the three is usable on my website. None of the three is close to being usable for prints. My R5 would have locked focus and held it. I'm very disappointed with the R7. From now on, I won't use it unless there's a ton of light, the subject is a long way away, and the subject is stationary.
Funny I have R5 and R3 and I reach for my R7’s the majority of the time. Shot full time in Kenya with it last safari and have been shooting BIF everyday for months with it. I’m getting some fantastic, sellable images. Yes it’s different from the R5, and it’s prosumer in a lot of ways, but with the right glass it’s an exceptionally good wildlife camera. If you can afford some decent glass and want that extra bit of crop factor, couple it with noise reduction and you’re hard pressed to beat to. I’ve got a couple of natgeo images and a lot of contest entries with the R7 so a bit surprised with how you feel overall.
That's awesome that you're liking the R7 so much! Though, just because you're liking it, doesn't mean you should assume others will to the same extent, since everyone's different, you know. I don't hate the camera at all, and I am genuinely impressed and very pleased with some of the images I'm able to get with it. It's just that personally, I find it less enjoyable to use than my other cameras, even at the expense of getting some extra reach. But, like I said in the video, just because I personally would rather use a different camera, doesn't mean it isn't very capable or wouldn't be great for others.
I have very similar feeling about the R7 coming from the R5. For me, it comes down to the shutter options on the R7. It’s rolling shutter or shutter shock…you have no choice. If they just put a lighter mechanical shutter in there, it would be a much more compelling option.
So interesting you alerted me to this in your channel and I can live with the roller shutter and have hr benefit of sharper images. The shutter slap is honestly horrible!
For me, fair points are covered here and I detest the iso button (I should swap with with the record button lol) and the lack of a battery grip; as my small hands my pinky naturally is used to grips over the years. Everything else is cool if you don’t think of this as a 7Dii replacement
I got to the point where I was going to dump the R7. I just couldn't depend on it. Compared to the R6 it was extremely loud and every shutter actuation you could feel the impact of the shutter. I've never felt anything as bad in over 50 years of shooting. And this was using 1st electronic curtain shutter. I decided to use electronic shutter and obviously the noise went away but my images became sharp. Even at 200 yards away. I was getting blurry shots almost all the time. I liked the camera other than the terrible images. Once I switched it was a completely different experience. IF you are having similar issues try Electronic shutter. I've had no problems with rolling shutter since 95% of my shooting is in totally natural settings.
I use the R7+100-400is ii as a back up to my A1+200-600 ( I was 100% Canon shooter since 2006 ). It has some advantages for video as the stabilsation is better and the whole rig is lighter than the A1 combo. I have been tempted to buy the 100-500is but after hiring it I didn't see any great benefits when tracking birds in flight. I also see the focus jump off birds in flight for no reason and have difficulty getting it back in focus. Shooting at 500m handheld at 1/25 with the 100-500is I got 85% of shots critcally sharp, at 1/50 100% were sharp that is better than the 100-400is ii can achieve.The extra reach is nice and the focusing is more consistent than my 100-400is ii. I was alarmed to see the focus inconsistency you experienced on still subjects. Rolling shutter is hideous, trying to use RAW burst to capture small fast birds appear to be a waste of time as the wings or totally distorted making the shots unuseable. Having said all that its good value for money.
Yeah, I really feel like the R7+ RF1-4 is an incredible, affordable, and lightweight combo that most people would be very happy with overall.
Shooting with FV mode on the R7 I control all of my main settings while I'm looking through the viewfinder with just the front dial and rear wheel. My aperture, shutter speed, exposure compensation, and iso are all right there and ready to change at any moment. I had the R6 and FV mode on the R7 is much simpler and faster shooting birds and wildlife daily. I never use that ISO button for ISO. I must have assigned it to something else, it actually locks in the current ISO setting.
I have an R5 and R6. The rolling ES and loud mechanical shutter are the two main reasons I didn't get an R7. As you said, the other bodies will spoil you for anything less. I considered the R7 for video, but I will wait for the R5 Mark II to replace the R6. In the interim, I hope that the rumored AF firmware upgrade comes true for the R5.
Good luck with the shoulder. Best to get on with it for the quality of the rest of your life.
Yeah, I'd definitely like it fixed sooner rather than later, but unfortunately, I'm at the mercy of the VA, since that's the only health insurance I have. Hopefully by this summer I'll get the surgery, and hopefully they'll do a better job this time than the last few times (this will be surgery number 10 for me, first on this shoulder).
@@BrentHall yikes. I hear so many VA horror stories. I had an employee at SSA who was a Marine and a quadriplegic Vietnam vet. Great guy and dedicated worker. But he needed a lot of medical services with advancing age, plus they funded his modified van but lagged when it needed repairs. Nothing but hassles!
It's a shame how you vets get treated sometimes. If I haven't said so before, thanks for your service.
Question ? Need one help -- Planning to get a refurbished R5 from canon --wanted to check if shutter count at all matters in mirror less cameras ?
Sorry man, I got way behind on comments lately. Personally the shutter count hasn't always really been that important to me. I've never ever had a shutter issue with any canon camera I've ever owned in the last 15 years, and some of them have had many hundreds of thousands of clicks, well past the manufacturer's recommended lifespan. As for other things, I'm more concerned about overall body condition, like how are the buttons, dials, lcd, etc. I don't like anything that has really worn out buttons or has any salt corrosion, that kind of stuff.
I like the FV mode on the R7 because you can change all the exposure settings with only two controls wheels. I was use to three wheels on the 5Ds and R6 I still use.
I also have the R7 in addition to the R5. I shoot mainly wildlife primarily large mammals though I do dabble in birds, mostly grouse. One of the first times I used the the R7, I had a young desert bighorn ram walking down a trail. At about 10 yds away I took a photo and the ram just bolted because of the loud mechanical shutter. I also get that slightly off focus image. It’s really irritating since at least to me it’s not predicable. I was attributing it to the mechanical shutter but it also occurs with electronic first curtain. I’ve hesitated going to electronic shutter because of the rolling effect but I’m going to give it a try (more as a last resort). I have a sage grouse lek that I’ll give it a try on. I do like the reach of the R7. But I do plan on trading the R5 and R7 on the R5 Mark II whenever it comes out. I primarily use the RF 100-500 and RF 800.
As long as the camera is stationary (not panning) I think you would be happy with electronic shutter. I've been using it a lot on fast moving small birds, and while I do have some interesting rolling shutter shots, they aren't as frequent as I feared they would be. One or two here and there. As long as the camera is stationary.
I have the R7 with the Sigma 150/600. Every shots are horrible. I changed the Af from the camera hundred of times and nothing have changed. I have changed some parameters of the Sigma and nothing. I am so frustrated 😢
Oh bummer. I'm sorry to hear that. The old sigma and tamron lenses don't tend to play very well with the canon mirrorless bodies, unfortunately. Maybe try testing out something like the RF 100-400. I know it's a bit shorter and slower at the long end, but it's an incredible lens for the price, and the native mount and af will most likely go a long way to getting you more keepers with the R7.
I own canon 7dii, R7, Sony A6600 and for me the reason why I purchased the R7 was eye AF !
It is alien technology in a very compact design and the keeper rate over my 7Dii is massive. I did not buy an R5 because I can not spend £4,500 on just a body alone, my wife would want a new car, or 2 week holiday in Japan for what I would spend on R5, new memory cards, adapter and RF 70-105 !
For me the R7 has quite a few faults, however the price of £1,350 is justified for the AF technology. I would have a few hundred more to have the 7Dii build and few more features as us 7Dii owners wanted a mirrorless version of our beloved 7Dii !
I'll add my thanks to the group for this thoughtful video! I think a good comparison to make would be between the R6II with the 100-500 plus 1.4 extender to the R7 without the extender. The reason I say this is I need the reach these two setups provide, but up here in Canadian latitudes the light is dimmer and at F10 on my R6II with extender, I'm often pushing ISOs of 6400 where I find the autofocus experience on my R6II with extender is causing all the frustration and lower hit rates that you described on your R7. I'm thinking therefore that the R7 without the extender would be a lighter setup with even more reach than I currently have on my R6II and unlikely to be more frustrating, especially since I'll also be able to zoom out without the extender obstructing the range. I suppose another fair comparison of the autofocus systems would be between the R6II at F7.1 and the R7 at F4.
The same issues with AF on R7. I tried different settings (cases, sensitivity), but AF consistancy remains insufficient. I hope the AF inconsistency will be fixed in future firmware updates.
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G rest video as usual, I thought you were talking about me in this video, I came from a dslr and and RP I ve had all the same problems you’ve had but with a lot of practice have overcome most, I’ve learned to feather the shutter, and have never hit the buffer, have had maybe I rolling shutter shot. Eye tracking problems I have noticed have been sporadic but when they happen very stubborn especially in a cluttered background even going to spot focus didn’t always correct it. Thanks for the video learned a lot. Am thinking of getting the R6MII and I think you’ve sealed the deal for me.👀👀
Well, I think you'll love the R6 II! :P
Hello, you mention the R6 Mkii, did you trade in the R6? I currently have an R6 for birding. Do you see any added benefit to trading in the R6 for the MKii? Thanks. Also, nice to hear a straightforward review not just pointing out the cons of the item but why it is a con.
No, I still have the R6. I just mostly use it as a backup camera to my R5 and R6 II now, and also for timelapses and astro stuff.
If the R6 II is worth the upgrade really depends on your finances, your shooting style, and needs. For me personally, it was well worth the upgrade, even without a trade-in, but I do a lot of video, and the R6 II replaces my R6 as my main UA-cam filming camera. The extra mp and better AF were also worth it for me.
I also have felt exactly as you do, it's crazy in that one example you showed that out of 40-50 images you only get one that is really sharp and that is with bird perched on limb (unacceptable). Then another time most of them are fairly sharp (what's with that?). I have consistently been frustrated with this camera and since I have a R5 hardly ever pull it out. The auto focus and keeper rate on R5 is so much better that I don't even want to use the R7. Also how it performs in low, low light is horrible. It struggles in good light sometimes to get sharp images, then add low light situation and almost can be impossible. Sure the detail you can get with 32mp crop sensor are extremely impressive, but what good is that if it's hard to get sharp images. I'm going to sell mine and pick me up a R6 mark II for my second body. The improved auto focus, fps and buffer will yield me way more keepers in the field than the R7 ever could. I think one of the big problems is the super resolving power of this sensor, just magnifies any little motion blur, slight miss on focus spot, etc. I hope someday they come out with R7 II and give it auto focus like on R6 II and they also need to fix that violent shutter shock this thing has. Thanks for video Brent, love them.
Wonderful effort! I'm late to the party here, but sympathize with your dilemma. Coming from the R5/R6 MkII, the R7 would present aggravations, and to try to explain them can seem trivial to some, but when you're trying to get the shot for your profession, it's more than trivial. But as an average shooter, I assumed my focus problems were due to my lack of skill, and no doubt most were. But when I was right on the bird and it was just a bit out of focus shot after shot, I really couldn't explain it. Maybe it wasn't me after all! I do love the reach with the R7/100-500, and have addressed the exposure issues of the "dark bird in the bright area" by using the control ring on the lens to adjust the exposure compensation. It's worked very well. I'll sell my R6 and add the R62 one of these days!
Yeah, it's not just you. When paired with that 1-5 though, it's still a solid combo overall. If you ever pick up that R6II, I think you'll be very happy.
Had the R7 since release date and sold
It for an R8 when it released and now I’m torn because I miss the extra reach
Yeah, reach is a serious addiction that most of us have a hard time fighting.
I've watched 100 of these videos. My question is if you have a R6 mk II and a R5 why did you get the R7?
Well, the R62 is really my wife's camera, so when I'm out and she's not around or filming the videos, I need a second body, and I figured it would be a decent one. I thought the crop body would be nice for a bit of extra effective reach when I wanted iot and the R7 is really great for everything, like landscape photography, timelapses, video features, etc. It would have been nice for me to just have a nice small backup/travel body.
I love the R7, just not with the Sigma 150-600 C. The same lens on my R5 is excellent. So I think upgrading to the RF 100-500 maybe the answer.
Yeah, it really is a bummer that Canon won't play nice with the 3rd party stuff anymore.
Since the R7 should be positioned as a professional level APS-C camera which is going to be used by photographers who shoot auto racing and birds in flight, the controls should be the same and in the same positions on the camera body as the full frame cameras. Most of the camera manufacturers can't seem to get this right. The one exception is Nikon. I can move from one body to the next and everything is familiar. That's what I like about the D5 and D500 and even the D850. All about the same. Then the buffer. Again, Canon is thinking wrong. This crop sensor camera should be the exception to the normal amateur purpose of a crop sensor camera. It should be positioned as a professional crop sensor camera and using CFExpress and large buffers as well as a much better EVF should have been the approach. Then the need for a battery grip to balance the weight as well as provide longer battery life. Today, sports cameras need stack sensors. Fujifilm did it, Canon should have done it.
I have an R3 and R5 and R6 and Sony A7iv Nikon Z6ii..... now I ONLY take out the R7 with 500mmF4, 800mmF11, 100-500..... Canon R7 is an amazing camera for my birding and animal shoots. The Layout is very very good. My brain has NO PROBLEM using the ergonomics of the R7.
Hi Brent, I fully agree with all your points in this video and it completely echoes my thoughts on the R7. I have a R5 and had a R6 so for me the tactile aspects of the R7 are lacking. Shutter sound, different dial and joystick placement, lower resolution (and darker) evf and erratic focus all are detracting from my enjoyment of the R7. It it works, the results are absolutely fantastic, and, to be fair, it has some great features too, but the fact that it is erratic makes me nervous about losing the shot. I am contemplating getting the R6 mk2 as a second body based on all the positive reviews but my questions are: Do I need another camera that will do almost the same as what I get from my R5 and am I willing to forego the different effective focal length that the R 7 provides? If the R7 was less erratic and if the dial placement were the same as R3/5/6 and if the mech shutter was less harsh, I would not be contemplating getting rid of the R7.
I mean, if the R7 didn't have those problems, it would be amazing and no one would be complaining, lol. As for if you should get an R6II, that really depends on what you want it for and your budget. It's significantly more expensive than an R7 but imo is superior in pretty much every way except reach. Same with the R5, the R6II imo is better in a lot of ways except mp, digital mode dial, and 8K/4K 120. So if you're wanting better AF, slightly better high iso performance, and updated video features, then R6II would be great for you.
I may have been wrong to donate my R6 to the grand daughter in film school; but I did. I miss it a little. It just ergonomically felt so good plus the sensible control placement. I agree a thousand percent with everything you have said about our R7's. They are a struggle with stuff like the ISO control, etc. So when will there be an R7 MKII?? I asked Phil Thatch after I watched him using R7 plus 100-500 how he got clarity at such a low shutter speed, say 1/650 or so. He answered by saying he and Heather shoot in video and cull the clear one. You ever try that?
oh bummer, lol, though I'm sure she's happy with it! I've never heard of Phil, and I haven't really messed around too much with taking stills from video, or at least shooting video expressly for pulling high res stills. That's awesome that it's working for him though.
Que horror!
Which tele lenses do you use for the R7?
I just have the RF 100-500 and 800 F/11.
tnx I think what you say is fair and justified no need for a disclaimer etc. The video was very useful for me cause I have the R5 and I need a second body so that I'm not changing lenses in the field. So I was looking at the R7/6/ii but based on what you reported I'll probably give the 7 a miss. All the best with your shoulder.
Hello Brent, Thank you for this review and your experience and thoughts on the R7!
I always wonder how hard it must be to give a Reivew abaut a Camara, which is in a different league than the Camra that is in daily use. A camera is a tool that should be mastered blindly. The concentration is on the motive and the fingers automatically operate the wheel and the button what is needed in that moment. Of course, handling a new camera body must first be learned. But when the body is significantly different from what is normally used, that's a real challenge. For example the cross button instead of the thumb wheel. Likewise the arrangement of the function keys.
Sometimes it's the little things that make the difference. For me, for example, it's the LCD panel on the top.
Most critical are things like the buffer. It seems that this is a bottleneck in the R7. I didn't just hear that from you. The problem with the AF that you pointed out.
You also mentioned it, the R7 also has positive sides, thus its own charm.
What about the dynamic range? APS-C versus full frame
Of course, we should not forget that there is a big price difference between R5 and R7.
The R5 is still my prefered camera and I’m stil waiting for an R5 Mark II or something similar.
have you used any EF lenses on it ? and if so how fast is the tracking ?
I haven't. I only have RF lenses now. But I used plenty of ef lenses on all my other rf bodies and they were all perfectly functioning.
@@BrentHall ok do u know if r7 be better or canon 1dx mk2 i have 7dmk2 currently use and 5dmk3
Hi. Just saw your video about your love and hate about the R7. Have you ever thought that some of your out of focus shots are the lens causing this? I had an 24-105 f4 L and my wife has the same lens. 95% of her photos are tack sharp maybe even higher. With my copy of the same lens and same camera bodies, I was lucky to get 50%. So needless to say I sold mine.
I have an R6 which I bought to replace my 5D MK iii which in my case was making me thinking about switching brands completely. I absolutely love my R6 for ergonomics and picture quality. I never use my cameras for video as most people do. I would even buy a camera without video capabilities that is comparable to my existing bodies. Then I got my R7 to accompany my R6. Now I use the R7 about 75% of the time. My only complaint with my R7 is the overall size. I wish they would have made it the same size as my R6. It just feels so good in my hand. I never use the rate button so I don’t miss it. All my other features I use regularly are remapped to the 4 way toggle. So I absolutely love this camera. Photo quality is 100% better than my 5D MKiii. Maybe I got a crappy copy of it but I’m glad I got rid of it.
So I’m looking forward to watching another of your videos in the future.
Cheers
In my case, I don't think it's the lenses. Both of my lenses are quite sharp and very consistent on all 5 of the other mirrorless bodies I've used.
I had the same experience as you with the R7. Sometimes it will work ok, other times I will only get one out of a hundred perfectly sharp shot. It happens with up close stationary birds with camera well stabilized, should be an easy shot. I am not going to use eye detect with it unless I cant possibly get the shot without it, shooting by manually putting the focus point has resulted in much higher keeper rate for me, but that defeats it's most attractive feature. I have an R6 also and it nails focus 95 percent of the time. Canon had successful eye detect autofocus with the R6, R5, and R3 before the R7 so it makes you wonder why the R7 shouldn't be at least somewhat close to them. I posted this issue on DPreview with most saying that settings are wrong and that eye af is complicated when the opposite is true. Many on there claim the R7 is their best focusing camera. I dont see how that is possible unless they use high aperture lenses from a distance where focus is less critical. I tend to shoot near min focus distance on a 500 f4 II and out of focus shots are very pronounced. I am sorry to hear of so many others having the same issues, but glad to know I'm not the only one. I too wished they put th R7 sensor in a R6 body with R6,R5, or R3 focusing, with the R6 shutter as well. I would have paid anything they asked for it. I even contemplated getting a Fuji H2 and adapting my Canon glass with it, but see alot of people having focus issues with those too. I would like a reliable focusing crop camera at some point.
I fell you're frustration man, it's definitely not just you, lol.
Com a 90d foi do mesmo jeito, muitos diziam ser ótima, devem ter problemas visuais!
I have the R5 and been on the fence about the R7 but after hearing it keeps jumping off the subject and your expression talking about it and having doubts, I think I will wait for the R5II or get me the R6II, probably will throw on a 1.4 extended on the R5 to get me to 700 and still have a lower fstop then the R7. R5 at 500 f7.1 + 1 stop from the 1.4 = f10, R7 at 500 7.1 x 1.6 from crop factor F11.
The R6 II is incredible, and I'm definitely looking forward to an R5 II (maybe/hopefully next year?)
I had the R7 since it launch on retail week. It was an upgrade from 7DmkII that I had for many years and I was very happy with the purchase since I never owned a full frame camera. I wanted the R5 but with the older tech inside made me reconsider and I was already over budget by buying the RF100-500l with the body which wasn't planned. But then I I discovered wild photography few months later and I encountered the issues you have with the last segments of the Autofocus system. It is janky. I thought first it was me, but it took many weeks to discover that most of that was from the camera's faultiness, so now I'm disappointed much later on my purchase of these issue now that I know it is common issue for this particular body. And I too put settings to be the stickiest as possible and it has little to no effect. I'm still taking great pictures but like you I am nervous before taking pictures because I have to think all of the wrongs that can happen. My last resolve on how to use this camera is to use it like older DSLR by turning off everything that is related to tracking like eye detection and subject tracking, they just don't work for me.
Oh bummer, I'm sorry you're having a hard time with it too! At least you did right and got a great lens first though! So now if/when you upgrade bodies in the future, you'll have the best glass already. I still think that the R7 is a good camera overall, especially for the money, it's just a shame the af isn't more reliable.
@@BrentHall me coming from long time user of a Tamron 150-600 mil, switching to the 100-500 was a game changer :). I will surely keep the R7 as it is a good overall camera unless I decide to go for a sony sensor like Nikon which seems to be greatly admired for it target acquisition. Rumors had it that Canon will release a R5 mkII at the end of the year so I'm holding on in the meantime 🤞
i bought a R7 8 months ago,,,so far i love it...sigma 150x600 ,100x400 canon...i shoot wildlife best i have owned...
The sigma 600mm works with mirrorless? That's great to hear
Really good overview Brent! I couldn't agree more with you regarding the video switch button positioning on the R6 mark II, I really don't like it, it would be much better if on/off and video switch buttons were position vice versa. I hate that I have to move my left hand from supporting the big lens just to flick a switch which really ruins the workflow in the field, this is probably not a problem for wedding photographers etc. when using smaller lenses, but in wildlife scenarios it really sucks, especially when you think that every Canon DSLR (even the consumer models) in the last 15 years or so, had a great video switch button on the right side of the camera which made transitioning between video and photo modes seamless for hybrid shooters and operable by just one hand.
Hi Brent, enjoyed the video. Thank you. With regards to your shoulder, don't know if this applies but I had a massive problem with mine a few years back. Buying a fully adjustable desk that I could lower so my shoulders were never raised took care of the issue for me. I was lucky though as it was just at the first lockdown and offices were selling very fancy desks extremely cheap. Before that I was on various types of menthol creams to try and alleviate the pain. Just a thought.
Seems like most people still love their R6s and R5s :-) Same here, love my R6 though I also got the R7 for the extra reach. Some of the waterbird stuff I do I simply cannot get quite close enough. So willing to overloook some of the faults of the R7. The R6 is still the love of my life though (don't tell the wife)
Thanks man, I'm glad you liked it! Yeah, a standing desk would be great actually, for a lot of reasons.
I bought an old Zenit 12 XP with a Helios 44M-4 58mm f2.
Unfortunately the aperture blades are sticky so it's only usable at f2. But it's a lot of fun in a limited way on my Canon RP. And of course it's a Valdai manufactured one. But I think that is a non issue for me because I like the flares and hazy low contrast look sometimes. The swirl needs f2-f2.8 frequently but I love it😂 $20 lens and camera😮
Having an R6 and an R7, of course the 6 is the better camera, but it costs 1,000.00 more, is full frame (meaning less noise) and autofocus is stickier. Having said that, the R7 is a great camera, has some improvements in the AF (even though it's not as sticky), gives me that vital extra reach when I need it (and more pixels on subject for cropping), is lighter carrying around, which makes it a great hiking camera. The two things I would like improved are the delay waking up when tapping the shutter (this is the big thing), and the buffer (a small thing). Keep in mind, however, that the buffer is actually larger than on the 7d ii, and it improves dramatically with faster cards. Overall, I am very happy that I traded in the 7dii for the R7. It's a big upgrade.
The earliest attestation of "overcom(e)able" is from 1452 in a manuscript in the British Library (according to the Middle English Dictionary). So, yes, it is a word and it has a respectable history. 🙂
etymology ftw!
Great review
Follow a fellow vet? Too easy. Best wishes to you and your injuries man. The va can be ridiculous. Great video
Hey thanks man, I really appreciate that! There definitely doesn't seem to be too many other UA-cam Photography vets out there, lol. Yeah, the VA can be ridiculous for sure. Unfortunately, this is just the tip of the broken iceberg for me, and I've been dealing with the VA since I got out in 2006. I'll remain cautiously optimistic that they'll do a good job this time.
The R7 is a good camera. Just forget about the headline specs. The layout is a bit of a weird choice by Canon in some ways, but you can get used to it.
Why did uou buy the R7 when you already have two "better" cameras?
Well mostly because I was hoping it would have worked out for me and given me the extra reach that wanted, but I had pre-ordered it, so I didn't know the downsides would bother me as much as they did. Plus I figured I could at least use it as a backup timelapse camera.
Bought the R7, sent it back after a week. Images were ok but worried the hell out of me everytime it rained. Horrible rolling shutter and slamming into the buffer almost every time. In the UK, that's every week. Someone recently had their R7 shut down, sent off to Canon EU and they quoted £800 repair due to water damage!
Got my Fuji X-H2S, everything the R7 should have been. Stacked sensor, great conversion of my existing EF lenses, superb back screen and viewfinder, wide range of affordsablke lenses and third party lenses, massive buffer and if you are into video............... all the options that money can buy.
After buying my first AE1-P, I have always shot Canon, until now.
Oh wow! I've heard good things about the Fuji, that's awesome that you're liking it.
Glad to hear that your shoulder is getting fixed. I'm still shopping for a camera every month more goes into the camera budget. I'm retired so this will be my last camera. I lean more into stills.
Had to let go the R7 also coming from R5 the IQ just doesn't meet expectations on birds in flight especially fast birds
The ISO button, which is indeed a strange choice by Canon, is irrelevant: just assign something more useful to it.
Comparing cameras that have a big difference in functionality and especially price point is inherently unfair. As far as using it as a backup camera to an R5 or R6 Mk II, if you’re being paid to get “the shot” then I would use a second R5 or R6 Mk II so that you can rapidly switch bodies if you have an issue.
Oh it's absolutely unfair, which is why I said my review was skewed. Like I said in the video too, I still think it's a great camera for anyone who's upgrading from a dslr or lesser mirrorless.
@@BrentHall Yes I heard that at the beginning of the video but my response was 1. poorly written and 2. I’m a lousy self editor 😁
In my defense, I hadn’t had enough coffee at that point this morning. 🤷♂😂
That's why I'm not buying the R5...😊
@BrentHall I have not watched the Video yet. I am afraid to watch since I bought the R7 and up to this point you have not been a fan, lol. Ok Deep Breath and going to hit play now.
Just take everything with a grain of salt. Most of my gripes are very specific to my perspective and experience. I ultimately still think it's a great camera (with some caveats) and will be wonderful for a lot of people, yourself included. Don't worry too much about what others(including myself) are saying, and just get out there with it and make the most of what you have.
I love my r6 and rf 100 - 500 but still would love R5 still got the itch for it.
But price in UK is still ridiculous, if I would sell some of my lenses i would be able to cover some of the cost but I am so attached to all my camera gear it's impossible for me to sell anything. Yes I am wired 😂