Rebel Moon: A Homage To Unoriginality
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Today, we're diving into Zack Snyder's latest Netflix venture, 'Rebel Moon’ because I have a few hot takes if you’ll indulge me. Buckle up, as we unpack what, in my view, makes this film a galaxy of missed opportunities.
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To me it felt like a tired amalgamation of Warhammer 40k and Star Wars.
Yeah,I also got more 40k vibes from it.
It rips off both and doesn't do half the job those properties do establishing their worlds or characters.
Legit, I walked past my mom watching Rebel Moon during the war scene and my first question was: "Is that Warhammer?"
It definitely had a lot of 40k vibes, though to be fair 40k is an amalgamation of a lot of things too
Rebel Moon even uses the same terminology and slang that's in 40k
As an italian beauty said: USA see movies as an industry, not an art.
So they just keep making the same products.
That's hilarious considering the history of shitty Italian horror rip offs of American movies
To me, it was clear that Snyder saw Rogue One and liked it. The structure of gathering up the team is very much the same. But Rogue One didn't spend the *entire* movie doing that.
Also, the movie would've been about a half an hour shorter if Snyder had taken it easy on the slow-mo. He seems not to understand that a scene doesn't become dramatic *because* you slow it down. You should only be slowing it down if it's dramatic on its own merits.
And while the visuals were (mostly) stunning, about as much time seems to have gone into the plot and characterization as your average porno.
Well, it broke the ground that was already broken. Did not make it's own mark. I was almost expecting Kora to travel back in time to recruit Leonidas.
With a side-quest to round up all the girls from Sucker Punch.
@@eazypeazy2964 🤣🤣
In my humble opinion unique and awe inspiring visuals and setting can carry an epic sci-fi story forward on its own as long as it actually succeeds in presenting something new and exciting, a good example for me would be The Chronicles of Riddick a sci-fi world built entirely on themes and style that still delivers a unique and fun story. Snyder's movie however appears to lack any sense of identity or personal style so what's left is whatever story it has to tell.
Aka, crap writers again, as always.
It feels like an AI was prompted to make a sci-fi fantasy movie in Snyder's style.
Probably was.
I hate to say that ... but after watching the trailers I feared (no, I was sure!) that it would end up that way. Anther missed opportunity.
I can't say that I was disappointed because my expectations were low. But damn I wanted it to be good.
Like, at what point do people realize that Zach Snyder doesn't make good movies or shows?
It was funny to watch this, as I automatically stated the references as I watched it: Star Wars New Hope, Nazi's, Borg Queen, Rey, Firefly Movie etc. I think this is why so many people have been excited by Scavenger Reign, because it's genuinely original (particularly the indie short that it was based on).
These movies are made by technicians, not writers. They're not artists, they're businessmen.
Exactly.
Like "where's the passion." In a sense this sounds like The Hobbit, which came about after a long lawsuit to get the rights, a director leaving (Guillermo del Toro), an industrial dispute, then it getting pushed over the finish line by Peter Jackson.
Theyre really bad at it, like horrible....
Battle beyond the stars
The cheese is strong in this one.
Unless you're adapting an older book like Dune, newer Sci Fi/Fantasy really should avoid these tired tropes. I am so bored of evil empires, rebellions, a group of rogues with their cliche characters, etc
Dune is an interesting book, but one of the lamest films I ever watched. Even in the book the author struggles to bring his complex world into an interesting story. In the film, it just becomes a meaningless stereotype.
Watched you video yesterday, thought it may have been a bit harsh; watched the movie last night and enjoyed it very much. I am old enough to have watched the 1st Star Wars movie in the theater; I have been a Sci-Fi fan for over 50 years. Consider my perspective. Star Wars came out as a space based western movie and it was a great adventure movie with special effects that were groundbreaking, loved it and cheered. Around that same time another movie came out, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, loved that as well and it sent our thoughts in all kinds of directions. Also loved this; both great, both very different, both very Sci-Fi.
Love your work/channel, keep it up!
I couldn’t agree more with your review
Well done 👍🏻
I think this review is on point, good job.
They shoulda named it Turkey Moon.
Merry Christmas, Darrel! 🙂 ❤
Thanks so much! Merry Christmas 🎄
I'm reserving judgment until the next half is released.
Good philosophy!
If you can't tell a complete story in one film . . .
"Mary-Sues adventures in cliche-land"
Hardcore Sci-Fi geeks like you and I have seen this film as what you described in this video, BUT if comments on the Netflix channel are real - casual younger audience liked it.
The look is amazing. It's a pity there is no awareness of how to tell an engaging story in there large budget sci-fi projects but they do know how to make them look beautiful.
It doesn't look amazing to me. It looks like any number of other movies from this era. It's a technical exercise.
That there is already a longer R rated director's cut in the works, before the movie is even released, is worrying. To me, a director's cut is an admission that something went wrong in production, that the movie is not the directors original intent. Unfortunately, a director's cut seems to have become the default position for Snyder's films, so much so that it is now, apparently, planned for in the original production. I doubt I will be watching any version of this movie.
Seems hes lost his mind. I dont wanna see a bad pg13 version of this at all. Directors cut shoulda been the ONLY CUT!
I am subscribed to your channel and I do indeed enjoy the contents of your videos. I hadn't seen REBEL MOON but your review prompted me to check it out, which I just did and I don't know what exactly you were expecting. It's a fine film and I'll tell you what, a good number of what is today considered classic sci-fi was often found in the cheap to rent section of the vhs store or played late on fri/sat nite. Thank goodness Sci Fi does have some crediblity these days possibly more so than even in the Golden Age of Asimov, Clarke, Heinlein, Silverberg when great sci fi was being written but folks would cast a side eye at you if they caught a glimpse of the cover art. Yes, I saw what you were talking about but remember that a lot of that is what people have come to expect from the genre. I for one would rather see more Rebel Moon style than DC/MARVEL and I hesitate to let perfection be the enemy of good. I see that happening with the series FOUNDATION because it departs from the book. But Asimov as good as he is is not a word god just a very prolific one and I think the series FOUNDATION gets a lot of undeserved hate for going a little further while still keeping the spirit f Asimov's Foundation. But we can't expect all directors to be so brave. At any rate, SW is very popular and even when folks borrow from that and others at least maybe we can start moving away from all these TENT POLE FRANCHISES and just have more science fiction. That's my hot take. Thank you. Looking forward to more of your work. Merry Christmas!
Tldr. Im gonna try to watch it one final time, first attempt was a nap lol.....
I like derivative. I like to see a new coat of paint on old tropes. That said, this isn't the way to do derivative. If you are telling an ensemble story, you have to introduce each character slowly. The dwarves in the Hobbit movie were all thrown at the screen and despite their differences, they were forgettable. Meanwhile, Seven Samurai introduced each character more slowly and with care so that each one came off as unique. It's fine to retell a familiar story or to redo old tropes, but you have to remember the fundamentals of storytelling and pacing. Give me a simple four act structure with each character having strengths, weaknesses, motivations, and impediments. Understand that the meaning of show don't tell is that every concept needs to be demonstrated and not just presented.
In fairness to the Hobbit movie's portrayal of the dwarves, they were also mostly all thrown onto the page in the book, which was less, "I have 13 interesting and compelling Dwarven characters and must use them all," and more "this is a children's book and it would be fun to have 13 Dwarves." It was like, 7 hours of movie, so they could've taken some of those 7 hours to flesh each one out a bit more, but the source material didn't give then a tone to work with. Also it should've been 4 hours tops with the Dol Goldur stuff added in.
@@RorikH I get why some changes were made, but it was milked way too hard for time.
Is Zack slated to direct anything in the near future? Because as i watched this i was like why is this not a tv show. Have better writers to flesh out the plot & characters. And take your time in the edit to deliver an ip that can rival disneys star wars. Imagine it would have been a home run for Zack since the star wars property popularity right now is in the pits with how disney is handling their shows.
Is it just me, or do the soldiers uniforms look like cadian ones? And the "handguns" like bolters.
Totally agree, I felt they stole scenes of Starwars, 7 samurais, Avatar, and probably more that I don't recognize. But I found it enjoyable to watch
With Snyder at helm and more so the writer there was low expectations that this was going to be anything good. Pretty perhaps but not character driven. Jack of all trades master of none.
"With Snyder at the helm the expectations were high" lol why on earth would you say this?
You forgot to talk about The Grain.
This is why you recreate already made stories. It's not so easy to just write a story.
It's not hard, it's just risky.
And investors don't like risk.
This movie was really just a recreation of very common tropes anyway. Not a new story, and it still failed.
@@pkz420 If you think writing a story isn't hard then you have no idea what you are talking about 😂 The dumb shit people say.
@@Raumance I am sorry that other views cause you such butt-hurt. But reacting like an immature child does not make your point. It only discredits you as a person.
Coming up with an original story is easy.
Writing a full length movie that is good, is hard, but coming up with an original idea is simple. They are a dime-a-dozen.
Just because you struggle with simple tasks, does not mean they are hard.
Writing a good story takes effort and skill, but coming up with an original theme is an easy part.
EG: A planet of half-cat half-dog people struggling with a social collapse triggered by their internalised conflict between catness and dogness.
EG2:Our planet is actually home to another alien species, we just never noticed because they are invisible vapors.
EG3:Passengers of a space cruise ship slowly realise they have been Shanghaied and are actually on a colony ship headed to unknown space.
Coming up with those original ideas took less time than it took to write them out. It was easy, and original.
The hard work does not start until after this point. Turning those ideas into a good story is what takes skill.
Hi Darryl I'm new to this channel, having just discovered you recently. I enjoy Science Fiction, I like your intelligent reviews and breakdowns of Science Fiction, I also like being exposed to Science Fiction I know nothing about. For example, I just went out and purchased "Dark Forest", based on your explanation. I'm a fan of Ian Banks, could you maybe do a review of some of his work? Thank you.
i found it to be quite fun
Just watching the movie.... One hour in and still no idea the fuck I am watching. The cinematography and dialogues are horrendous.
It really feels like Zack Snyder and Netflix saw the success of Dune and wanted to replicate that success without understanding the essence of why Dune is successful as a narrative.
Once Jimmy ran out of the barn after the inciting incident, I spent the rest of the movie wondering where he went and if he was still running. Visually it was stunning, but it was rough to get through.
Snyder is only good when he has a collaborator like James Gunn (Dawn of the Dead) working with him. Without that, he’s really an aimless rebel himself.
I was pretty sure that this wasn't going to be 'a good movie' when the girl boss was the one doing the plowing and the man walked up to her. Didn't get better from there.
Too bad, cause the idea, the worlds, and the characters had really big promise.
I rewatched Battle Beyond the Stars last nite. At least those 'innocent farmers' had the sense to hire starships rather than ground fighters.
If the battleship Yamamotos (Star Blazers) in space can pound planets into rubble from orbit, why would they fight on the ground?!
I'm surprised anyone has a high opinion of Zack Snyder. His films are generally a garbled mess of edge, with only a single film in his dubious history worthy of being called "good," and it was a comic book adaptation.
i thought it was full of potential. the kind of potential that one gets a better look at during the directors cut which is coming. i enjoyed it for what it is but it still has more to show.
It's clear that you should have written the screenplay. 🙂 It would have been much more interesting.
So, Snyder will Snyder.
The styling of the Motherworld military hardware bore too close of a resemblance to that of The Chronicles of Riddick, could almost have been the same costume designer. Otherwise it was fun but forgettable.
I thought that Rebel Room was a Great Movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have not seen it yet. Surely it must be better than some of the Star Wars drivel that has been coming out lately. Setting the sci fi bar low w that one.
I mean the bar was already really low with star wars to begin with. 😂
Would this film benefit from a longer cut or no?
You know I think it would!
@@Sci-FiOdyssey you ever watch the anime samurai seven? It sounds a bit like that but lacking story. Obviously based off the seven samurai. With both stories there was conflict and character development among the seven.
Not if it was written by Zak Snyder. All a longer cut would provide is more interesting visuals. This script has already dug itself into the boring hole way too deep.
Longer cut? I think maybe as a mini-series, give us more time with the gathering of the seven space samurai. But that wouldn't fix the problems of poor dialogue.
it was a very very boring movei. I felt like they are using slowmostion in order to fill time.
Omg this movie was horrible. I hate myself for watching it
Snyder really does not understand human characters. He makes movies as if he were the alien.
It would be the highest point of irony that a film about rebellion will walk the worn-out paths.
It is a curse of our current iteration of intellectually anemic & emotionally adolescent IP regurgitators, that they seem unable to fully appreciate the difference
between a character's backstory .. and their personality.
There is a sterile flatness to almost all of these entertainment-widgets.
I fell asleep two times trying to watch it. I read a lot of 40k books, and it was hard to watch because of all of the stolen lore.
Consider Phlebas might have been better.
TLDR: Damn, it's not an original groundbreaking new sci-fi; it's just good. What a disappointment!
Even the title is too derivative... Rebel Moon?...Yavin 4??!
Disagree with many of the liked for doing a different take. Wish people would just appreciate artistic work for just that.
One word for you... warhammer...repeat thay 40 thousand times.
May wanna do some learning before going all out ranting about something you don't understand?
All it's missing to be warhammer is the official logo...and everything about it falls in that box.
Lucas did not invent the wheel, all I’m going to say.
This film is much better than reviews much like this are suggesting.
Rebel Moon is caffeine free diet Star Wars. Cliché and boring. Granted, it’s not as bad as Obi-Wan, Rings of Poop or Pisscard, but it’s not much better. Definitely not worth the time and resources wasted on its production.
It sounds like it's woke browbeating wrapped up in "things we've seen a million times before."
What exactly is "woke" to you
The amount of exposition in the dialog and the reliance on the characters back story to define them rather than their actions on screen made this boring and dry. I actually shut it off without finishing it. I only finished watching it because I couldn't sleep. I will not be planning on watching part 2.
Zak is overrated, never loved any movie other than 300 ofcourse, Justice league his own cut was BS too.
And 300 was essentially the comic made into movie. Nearly comic frame by comic frame. The weak stuff, what happens in Sparta while they fight was not in the comic. But I guess they had to stretch the movie a little with something other than battle scenes.
@@Dreamfox-df6bg I never read Comic but man we have to agree major impressive part of 300 was Gerald Butler's charismatic performance, he was fantastic, he's definitely major factor for me to watch it again and again.
the visuals are disgusting ngl
The dialogue is rubbish
zack: can i borrow your homework?
star wars and warhammer 40k: sure , just change it up a bit
zack: sure sure
It's really just a bad movie.
I quite enjoyed the movie. It's not particularly original but didn't feel like it deserved the very low rating it is getting. There are certainly far worse movies than this.
Snyder cut may make this more interesting
Is the main character a lesbian who can do everything?