Exactly! Just plaing CS:GO grinding day out and day in is not going to make you a better player. Thats when you get burned out on the game. Mixwell the spokesman of truth :D
That's what olofmeister says too, he said it's better to play a bit less and have a fulfilling life than to play more but sacrifice other aspects of your life
Having fun is an essential part of keeping your skill level high. When you grind CS days after another, as much as you love the game, it will get stale (you won't think outside the box anymore). Your skill level will drop. Ofcourse, feeling less energetic (or even having slight headaches because of sitting in front of the monitor all day) also won't get you anywhere.
Angry Turtle He replied someone's tweet that he doesn't play mm seriously, i'm just thinking shouldn't you be top fragging even though you don't play seriously because the amount of hours u put in is a lot?
Another good reason to play other games is to reset your perspective. When I play exclusively CSGO, I fall into something like autopilot. When I switch over to PUBG for a few games, it forces me to take a fresh perspective on the tactics and mechanics I take for granted otherwise.
Same, when I'm bored I zone out and play like shit, but when I take a while off sure I might be rusty the first match but after that it's like I'm a different player.
He's still better than 99.9% of all people who play CS though, and like thooorin said, probably makes C9 more money than a random player who is better than him
dude if Jagex actually gave two shits about hybrid pking back in the day before esports was even really a thing it might have just been! Pro pk'ing could have actually been a thing if they focused on it as a company a little more.. ugh it triggered me to this day. rip wilderness 2007.
Shroud Counter-Strike: Global Offensive 56.9 hrs last two weeks / 7,385 hrs on record PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS 36.9 hrs last two weeks / 118 hrs on record that's a better balance than people think.
The thing most people don´t know is, that some/many pro players also have a family life and sometimes have higher priorities in the real world like caring for their children, working on their houses or maybe work around other business, they have besides being a pro player. On the other hand, how is it possible that mouz|denis or as he is called in german forums, antigamesense modelface, plays so well since Niko is gone from the team, most of the time being in the middle of the scoreboard, sometimes even on top, while being the support player and second caller? Actually I´m really happy for him, that he got his shit together.
Its like saying, "Oh Pasha isn't as good as he was before - He should focus less on his baby and more on the game. If I were in his position I would-" If you were in his position, what? You aren't and you won't be. People seem to forget this concept.
A perfect example of that is Nadeshot in Optic! he was bringing the team down but at the time he was more valuable then the Optic Brand. As soon as Scumpii become a bigger personality in the space Optic was able to make the move to become a more competitive team instead of a marketing move. What fans need to realize is: Being a gaming pro and showing dedication can be misinterpreted, if you compare and contrast it with a regular 9-5 day job. Because, no Lawyer says to himself: "wow! I just finished a grueling day of work. let me read up on laws or review cases" that is not what gives them peace and relaxes them! However, for a Pro-gamer allot of them started on their e-sport for the fun it provided them therefore, In most cases what provides them with the entertainment they seek in most likely still Video games. not necessarily the same game they HAVE to play for hours a day but, a game in which he won't get completely criticized on his performance and also a game in which he does not have to be affected by the end result! my thoughts. Great video btw! take care everyone
Honestly, they should be encouraged to play another games because, like life, every experience makes you learn more...and being stuck to CSGO you will eventually get stagnant..if you know what i mean
Grey Matter Exactly. I'm doing something surprisingly similar to esports, I'm a musician. I need to get in my hours each day. Yet it is important that I do other fulfilling stuff besides practising, otherwise I'll actually get worse with time. But if I do unfulfilling stuff like playing video games or just hanging around at home for too long, it just makes everything worse. I'll get even more stale. I think all pros need to have some activities outside the house that they do every day, that's why streaming 8 hrs a day is really dangerous.
Yea he said that's what works for him. Everyone is diffrent. Some people can sit and play for hours and wont get worse and some people need to do other things. It's all about how you train and not how long.
Thanks for the video. Im an aspiring pro and I play 5-6 hours everday, but its difficult when you have school. So I come home and play for 5 hours then I get dinner or go to sleep. And I bullied myself a bit to keep doing it and not giving myself any free time but this video made me realise that if I do free time it will refresh me and make me more focused for playing.
Harvey Specter I wouldn't think he has 9-14 hours of free time. Maybe he does, and sleeps for 3 hours. I agree with you, though. But the free time seems excessive to me.
Kyle you gotta remember these players don't go to a job for 8 hours then go practice professionally. Their job is to practice professionally, you can't expect them to "work" more than a normal person works. Very few people can play the game seriously for 8+ hours at a time and enjoy it and learn something from it. Off the top of my head I can really only think of s1mple who's done crazy hours that has made him successful, but even he has toned it down.
The idea that "If I was this pro player, I would play 12 hours a day" is so fking stupid.... Wait till you play the game for over 5000 hours, see how driven are you.
Currently on front page of /r/globaloffensive but basically Hiko streamed talking about his history with TL and apparently there was a ton of internal conflict surrounding elige but also including basically everyone but nitro. I can't explain it perfectly so you should check the subreddit and read/watch up on it.
I think most people would due to the financial side. They would earn more streaming just from subs alone than they would being a pro. Plus Shroud could just join Swag as a streamer for C9 if he still wanted a guaranteed salary
He said he would quit being a pro if he would have a steady 10k for the rest of hes life, witch is pretty much inpossible. Dont twist things to fit what you want mate.
What would happen if there was csgo pro team dedicated to play 10-15h per day, psyhcologically capable individuals. would it have impact on the scene? and what type of impact would it be? i'm curious.
14:54 - Yes Duncan, i usually log off ventrilo after i had an extended discussion on IRC about tactics, which we do by drawing lines on a maps bird of view-screenshot in paint, but practice does not stop at this point for me. I usually log on Gotfrag.com to take a look at the latest Potti demos in order to improve. To finish my day, i like to have a little bit of fun on scoutzknivez with sv_gravity 400, sometimes i also play fy_iceworld or join a pub server to play de_survivor :>
i cant be sure but, actually being active outside and have additional knowledge on games (useful or useless) is better than sticking inside and sitting infront of a single game all day, and there is such thing as getting bored, tired and sick of a game, no matter how much it means to you
This is for my money one, if not THE best of your videos (and I watch probably 80-90 %) regarding public opinion and perception. Well f*cking done and spoken Thorin!.
This is my first youtube comment. My argument to you about e sports is that on a NBA or MLB sports level the only thing that does matter is in game performance. If e sports is going to use the most common economic model it would be US professional sports. You have to produce or you don't play and if you dont play you dont get paid. C9 needs better in game performance.
Me:Dedicting my life tot eh game the whole fucking day.When in the shit thinks about how someone in my team can be the nest spawn,passionate af about this game almost 1k hours in 2 months....
Honestly, I think it is because Shroud isn't a particularly competitive person and he lacks confidence. I've heard people talk shit to him and joke with him and he never defends himself or seems to get into the male dominate power struggle. I just don't think he has the same drive other players do.
Its not always an either-or situation with the gym rats and lazy savants, as you know. Personally, I prefer the Charles Barkley/Dustin Dollin/John Daly mold. Insane talent and a proclivity for partying.
VBJFGXZ ya i see he mentionz it but a full on breaktrhough on what are the characteristics actions just because he gets kills does it make him a star and the star power he alludes 2
A star is born when atoms of light elements are squeezed under enough pressure for their nuclei to undergo fusion. All stars are the result of a balance of forces: the force of gravity compresses atoms in interstellar gas until the fusion reactions begin.
Like when Shroud plays Left 4 Dead 2 and the issue for the society of gaming is that fans and people wants to let their youtubers, and streamers playing the same games all years, it'll not help them cause kids and people tbh have the power or really sometimes like a Minecraft youtubers plays Minecraft all year, the message is that: Let them play different games, I don't care if kids and dudes, fans, or any childrens wouldn criticize you if they can, also your life is better than saying "I have no life," go and use your freetime and have a fun day
He's a public person now, obviously people will critic everything he does, it's all about perception, it's easy to jump to conclusion, C9 arent doing well and you see 1 guy play all those other game in public on twitch, same with sports and guys going to bars and having fun, there is countless article about that in newspaper, not saying it's right but ppl jump to conclusion like they always have!
I dont understand why pepole are saying that if they would be pros they would play that much hours how need. Example i cant play 3h whitout killing my ayes
Awesome video man, you are so smart. This gives me hope because I do have something that gives me a huge motivation, God. Like Steph Curry who has Philippians 4:13 on his shoes(I think).
Well I get your point but Coldzera spend many hours playing Overwatch and other games also he was diamond on LoL so.. You just have to play it as a hobby and focus on your real job
well overwatch is a braindead easy game if you're good at cs, and league is just map awareness which is very easily learned in cs so it's not too absurd
overwatch is a fairly easy game in comparison to cs, and league in itself mechanically isn't too challenging either, it's all mental which cs is a good game to develop that from, but who am I to say to a salty native :>
Shroud and n0thing are the lowest rated players in C9 statistically speaking. they are kept in c9 because of how much they bring to C9 as a brand, they are loved players and sell a lot of merch because of that and they happen to be nice people as well. I think they should be streamers for C9 and make space for new talent to shine like what they did with Stewie2k. Like your other video Thorin I think NA teams should strive to win their first major and not settle for just popularity.
I see a lot of red of recent, but I also see a lot of not red, on his player profile it says he has 1.09 overall, I think the lack of good events recently is the role change he's made, he is a support player now ya know
Shroud and n0thing are still the lowest rated players in C9 facts are facts. n0thing is 0.93 rating & Shroud is 0.97 rating. Skadoodle is 1.10 rating, Stewie is 1.15 rating & autimatic is 1.15 rating. I understand you're a fan of Shroud which is totally fine, but do your research.
eveR You are so dense it's unbelievable. He was informing you that you completely misunderstood Bijuu's comment by thinking he only meant aim by saying Shroud "lacks cs skill." Your quickness to think you are right and the other guy is an idiot shows how I G N O R A N T you are.
you lost the argument (it's ok, as long as you learn) and didn't comprehend the original comment properly. Original comment said "what he lacks in cs skill, he makes up for in x". This is basically 0% related to what you interpreted, which was "he doesn't have any skills in CS, not even mechanical".
'bad positioning/roles', as far as im aware, having bad positioning and game sense constitutes as being bad... am i missing something or is poor positioning a desired skill these days?
Yt algorithm decided to recommend this after 4 years all I can say is look at shroud now a successful streamer Hes Aim Let him reach top of the twitch charts
Well, there is the question of what makes 'pro' players passionate about the game. If shroud was really passionate about csgo he would play better, simple as that. Then there's the prize money from winning majors, shroud makes enough from streaming why would he care? etc etc
Great video as always! I sort of wish it didnt have to be made though, as I just cant fathom how people dont realise the simple concept that is a private life. I guess my problem is I except people to actually think rational thoughts..
i cant stan people who get mad at them for playing something else..... if they want to relax in their off time then thats something they can choose to do
That's the point dude. They practice 6-8 hours everyday. Why do you think Stew and shroud start streaming around the same time everyday? Because they just finished practice. You think 4 other teammates would want a guy around if he only sometimes showed up to scrims/practice?
If anybody is capable of working out for 14 hours, plain and simply they ain't training hard enough. Relatable to CS in the fact after playing so much you're going to get tilted and honestly playing 12+ hours a day isn't going to help you any more than playing say 6-8 hours a day.
Shroud has the talent, just was never able to translate it into the competitive environment, I can name hundreds of sports players in history where this has happened, and it was never anything to do with what they did...
I agree with thoorin to an extent because pros can play other games but I feel that shroud does play pubg just too much not saying players shouldn't play other games it's just I don't see him playing as much CS. Although he is starting to head back to CS a bit more recently which is good. But he does give good exposure to C9. Also I'm not saying shroud it shit. Atleast he is also able to maintain form I just don't wish to see him not have motivation to play CS professionally. Also it's my opinion and I'm prepared for shroud fans to start talking shit about what I'm saying even though I'm not claiming anything really wrong with shroud. I just personally want to see that he's still motivated to play.
Sounds like while your disappointed with how the community perceives Shroud. Like Thorin said, Shroud just happens to be streaming and happens to be playing a different game, doesn't mean he isn't practicing off stream or dedicating hours to CS - But no one really knows right? Its one thing if the C9 team had internal issues and found that other games were getting in the way of practice, but that hasn't been addressed has it? Take NiKo for example. Incredible player, easily one of the top 10 players currently. No one really knows how much time and dedication it took to get to where he is - And imagine if he ended up being a shit player, who was constantly streaming League of Legends in his free time. People would be quick to assume he isn't dedicated enough. But maybe he did spend a lot of time on other things outside of CS, off stream, but is still an amazing player? No one can say for sure, which is why we shouldn't be so quick to assume. It just so happens that NA players give a lot of exposure through Twitch to connect with their fans, that everyone thinks they know how these players operate - We really don't. And its unfair to say "Oh I saw Shroud streaming for x amount of time, and not CS" - So what right? Everyone needs a balance of life, and whether he streams it or not - Its not up to anyone but himself to decide whether he needs to commit more time to CS. Not here to shit talk - Just opening up a different perspective
Yeah this kinda response I don't mind instead of people just saying stupid things because they don't like what they hear (or read in this case). I'd rather have someone give a good response with their own opinion then the fan boys who tune out anything they hear that's negative.
In all seriousness though I think talent will only get you so far. The people who work the hardest and have their entire focus on their goals will succeed. This is supposed to be a professional sport. You don't see NFL players practising baseball or any other sport. I'm into motorcycle racing and there is a very good book written by Keith Code called "Twist of the wrist". In the book he explains that a persons attention or awareness can be represented by a 10 dollar bill. When you first start riding you may spend 8 dollars of your attention just to operate the clutch properly to not stall the bike. As you become more experienced the amount you spend on basic things like this becomes less and less to the point you may only spend a nickel leaving the vast majority of your attention to the important things. The same can be applied to CSGO. The more you practise something the easier it becomes because it becomes second nature and the better your muscle memory will be. Don't misunderstand, I don't think pros should play 24/7. They are human they need other things in their lives. However when they are at a computer they should be focused on and playing the game they are being paid to play.
I always thought shroud is a extremely good aimer, but if you mean a all around cs player, I agree with he's below average, the issues shroud has is positioning and team play, when ever shroud streams he gets these insane clips with ridiculous aim but he's being aggressive and holding w, but he doesn't do that in matches. One of the critiques of shroud is that he lacks aggression in gun fights.
its funny, shroud doesn't prioritize stream over pro play? I believe shroud "left" the active roster and cs as a professional because of the community, and the backlash of constantly being blamed for all losses when ska was looking like a silver, but no when shroud does well no one says it just when he is bad.
It all comes down to what you want out of the team, if you want to win major, you better fucking put in those extra hours all the time, if you are happy being a team like c9, not really every gonna win a major, but they can beat anyone for sure. And if the team owners just want a popular team like c9 that makes them a shit ton of money thats okay. But you have to understand that the fans are not gonna settle with oh at least the owners are gettting rich and the players have a nice salary. Ofc they want C9 to win a lot of stuff, compete for majors. So when the players dont put in that little extra, maybe bring in someone who does? There is nothing wrong with the Korean scene as long as no one is being forced into doing something. The best players should always play in the best teams.
Shroud: + Calm & Collected. + Precise flicks. + Insane whipping aim. + Becomes GOD when Alone vs Multiple enemies. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I do not want to write this - because nobody can be sure for it - but I think Mike lost the passion for the game. Much pro's are bored in a way - of how Valve make so much money and game gets worse and broken.
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Mixwell spoke the truth today. "I got worse by playing only csgo and not having a healthy lifestyle outside of cs. Facts."- Mixwell 2017
Cha0s_Singularity What! sitting in a chair all day doing nothing else is not healthy? /s
ofc not. Guy's have a life. You will die early just playing only. Need to have a healthier life and stuff...
Exactly!
Just plaing CS:GO grinding day out and day in is not going to make you a better player. Thats when you get burned out on the game.
Mixwell the spokesman of truth :D
That's what olofmeister says too, he said it's better to play a bit less and have a fulfilling life than to play more but sacrifice other aspects of your life
Having fun is an essential part of keeping your skill level high. When you grind CS days after another, as much as you love the game, it will get stale (you won't think outside the box anymore). Your skill level will drop.
Ofcourse, feeling less energetic (or even having slight headaches because of sitting in front of the monitor all day) also won't get you anywhere.
-Shrood +James Bardolph
Beepboopbeep that's barrely funny cause of how bad bardolph is but i'll give you this one it's good
Angry Turtle He replied someone's tweet that he doesn't play mm seriously, i'm just thinking shouldn't you be top fragging even though you don't play seriously because the amount of hours u put in is a lot?
DE RP Yea bardolph is too good for mm tbh
lol ive played with bardolph before and he was not very happy about losing xd.
Beepboopbeep is it shrood or shrod?
Another good reason to play other games is to reset your perspective. When I play exclusively CSGO, I fall into something like autopilot. When I switch over to PUBG for a few games, it forces me to take a fresh perspective on the tactics and mechanics I take for granted otherwise.
Right on
this is what happens to me on the drums as well as playing counter strike.
Same, when I'm bored I zone out and play like shit, but when I take a while off sure I might be rusty the first match but after that it's like I'm a different player.
He plays 7-8 hours of csgo a day, let the man enjoy another game.
yes let him do whatever he wants but fucking kick him from C9 so i don't have to watch him suck like a gold nova every single game
He's still better than 99.9% of all people who play CS though, and like thooorin said, probably makes C9 more money than a random player who is better than him
PanalexMusic speak for yourself.
HE IS A CS PRO PLAYER, NOT A STREAMER
Weirdo Dash He can be both...
RUNESCAPE IS AN ESPORT
dude if Jagex actually gave two shits about hybrid pking back in the day before esports was even really a thing it might have just been! Pro pk'ing could have actually been a thing if they focused on it as a company a little more.. ugh it triggered me to this day. rip wilderness 2007.
I used to get lured to the wilderness quite a bit when I was first learning lol would’ve been fun to watch as an esport though
stumbled upon this from reddit.
I'm so glad shroud is doing so well now. Leaving pro cs might be the best decision he ever made.
Yeah
Its not a problem, until someone plays more hours in PUBG than CS, like VP did, and goes to 1-20 in last 21 maps...
They went out in groups. At a lan. Twice.
he broke his leg lmao his injury has nothing to do with it
A leg injury. unless hes in pain, or on drugs its not an excuse
They dont seems to care if they price pool is less than 200k. They got paid 20k per month, so 150k win is literally nothing for 6 people.
Shroud
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
56.9 hrs last two weeks / 7,385 hrs on record
PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS
36.9 hrs last two weeks / 118 hrs on record
that's a better balance than people think.
The thing most people don´t know is, that some/many pro players also have a family life and sometimes have higher priorities in the real world like caring for their children, working on their houses or maybe work around other business, they have besides being a pro player.
On the other hand, how is it possible that mouz|denis or as he is called in german forums, antigamesense modelface, plays so well since Niko is gone from the team, most of the time being in the middle of the scoreboard, sometimes even on top, while being the support player and second caller? Actually I´m really happy for him, that he got his shit together.
Its like saying, "Oh Pasha isn't as good as he was before - He should focus less on his baby and more on the game. If I were in his position I would-"
If you were in his position, what? You aren't and you won't be.
People seem to forget this concept.
Phil K Pasha + Baby = Shroud + Battlegrounds? :D I get what you are trying to say but thats kinda extreme comparison
Yes, definitely on a different spectrum - but similar underlying concept
A perfect example of that is Nadeshot in Optic! he was bringing the team down but at the time he was more valuable then the Optic Brand. As soon as Scumpii become a bigger personality in the space Optic was able to make the move to become a more competitive team instead of a marketing move. What fans need to realize is: Being a gaming pro and showing dedication can be misinterpreted, if you compare and contrast it with a regular 9-5 day job. Because, no Lawyer says to himself: "wow! I just finished a grueling day of work. let me read up on laws or review cases" that is not what gives them peace and relaxes them! However, for a Pro-gamer allot of them started on their e-sport for the fun it provided them therefore, In most cases what provides them with the entertainment they seek in most likely still Video games. not necessarily the same game they HAVE to play for hours a day but, a game in which he won't get completely criticized on his performance and also a game in which he does not have to be affected by the end result!
my thoughts. Great video btw! take care everyone
I love how smooth the boomeo ad was
Honestly, they should be encouraged to play another games because, like life, every experience makes you learn more...and being stuck to CSGO you will eventually get stagnant..if you know what i mean
Pros play better when they are maximizing their time outside of cs into fulfilling real life stuff.
Grey Matter yeah. You've got to balance it. The real factor is training correctly, in my opinion.
Grey Matter Exactly.
I'm doing something surprisingly similar to esports, I'm a musician. I need to get in my hours each day. Yet it is important that I do other fulfilling stuff besides practising, otherwise I'll actually get worse with time. But if I do unfulfilling stuff like playing video games or just hanging around at home for too long, it just makes everything worse. I'll get even more stale.
I think all pros need to have some activities outside the house that they do every day, that's why streaming 8 hrs a day is really dangerous.
Yea he said that's what works for him. Everyone is diffrent. Some people can sit and play for hours and wont get worse and some people need to do other things. It's all about how you train and not how long.
Great facts. Too bad they arent facts. You dumbass.
snorre andersen and you can prove this??
shroud is prob my favourite player, chill guy, pretty good & insightful
Thanks for the video. Im an aspiring pro and I play 5-6 hours everday, but its difficult when you have school. So I come home and play for 5 hours then I get dinner or go to sleep. And I bullied myself a bit to keep doing it and not giving myself any free time but this video made me realise that if I do free time it will refresh me and make me more focused for playing.
shrood or shrode?
shroud...
ok, shrimp
Where's the scarf at?
this is stupid. they have scrims and prac. who cares if he plays another game during downtime and outside of practice.
Harvey Specter I wouldn't think he has 9-14 hours of free time. Maybe he does, and sleeps for 3 hours. I agree with you, though. But the free time seems excessive to me.
Kyle you gotta remember these players don't go to a job for 8 hours then go practice professionally. Their job is to practice professionally, you can't expect them to "work" more than a normal person works. Very few people can play the game seriously for 8+ hours at a time and enjoy it and learn something from it. Off the top of my head I can really only think of s1mple who's done crazy hours that has made him successful, but even he has toned it down.
The idea that "If I was this pro player, I would play 12 hours a day" is so fking stupid.... Wait till you play the game for over 5000 hours, see how driven are you.
This Guy was authentic even in 2017.... Love this Guy
Make a video on the new Liquid drama!
James Dong liquid drama? can you catch me up?
Currently on front page of /r/globaloffensive but basically Hiko streamed talking about his history with TL and apparently there was a ton of internal conflict surrounding elige but also including basically everyone but nitro. I can't explain it perfectly so you should check the subreddit and read/watch up on it.
+James Dong jdm was good too. He disagreed with Hiko a bit in the game but it's not internal conflict on the level of EliGE peacemaker and Pimp
its not drama wtf
the video is well over an hour long. it's really good, but I don't see where the drama is.
Shroud said on stream that he would quit being a pro for an extra 10k subs on twitch, may have been kidding, but it didn't seem so at the time.
I think most people would due to the financial side. They would earn more streaming just from subs alone than they would being a pro. Plus Shroud could just join Swag as a streamer for C9 if he still wanted a guaranteed salary
He said he would quit being a pro if he would have a steady 10k for the rest of hes life, witch is pretty much inpossible. Dont twist things to fit what you want mate.
Can't take this comment seriously tbh
Why not?
ToXiiCxMAST3RZz I think alot of them would because they could get money from the org and the stream
Damn ive never seen Thorin get this flustered over one of these issues, its nice to see a different angle of him than his usual persona
Every pro should listen to you
What would happen if there was csgo pro team dedicated to play 10-15h per day, psyhcologically capable individuals. would it have impact on the scene? and what type of impact would it be? i'm curious.
"What is a Soviet Union?" -Average csgo redditor, probably.
Kristocx they are 12 yr old gold nova
14:54 - Yes Duncan, i usually log off ventrilo after i had an extended discussion on IRC about tactics, which we do by drawing lines on a maps bird of view-screenshot in paint, but practice does not stop at this point for me. I usually log on Gotfrag.com to take a look at the latest Potti demos in order to improve. To finish my day, i like to have a little bit of fun on scoutzknivez with sv_gravity 400, sometimes i also play fy_iceworld or join a pub server to play de_survivor :>
i cant be sure but, actually being active outside and have additional knowledge on games (useful or useless) is better than sticking inside and sitting infront of a single game all day, and there is such thing as getting bored, tired and sick of a game, no matter how much it means to you
This is for my money one, if not THE best of your videos (and I watch probably 80-90 %) regarding public opinion and perception. Well f*cking done and spoken Thorin!.
What are the best thorin memes guys?
Have you figured out what the game shroud plays is called yet?
DED GAME
This is my first youtube comment. My argument to you about e sports is that on a NBA or MLB sports level the only thing that does matter is in game performance. If e sports is going to use the most common economic model it would be US professional sports. You have to produce or you don't play and if you dont play you dont get paid. C9 needs better in game performance.
Would he ever be able to get stewie on for one of his interviews or is stewie the kind of guy who would say never
Im kinda sad you didnt mention Jaromir Jagr now..
that's like seeing someone in the NHL playing football with his friends in his downtime and blaming that on why he doesn't win.
Me:Dedicting my life tot eh game the whole fucking day.When in the shit thinks about how someone in my team can be the nest spawn,passionate af about this game almost 1k hours in 2 months....
When you're playing runescape and on the onther monitor you're watching Thoorin's videos...
Honestly, I think it is because Shroud isn't a particularly competitive person and he lacks confidence. I've heard people talk shit to him and joke with him and he never defends himself or seems to get into the male dominate power struggle. I just don't think he has the same drive other players do.
Lol I love the ending
"I dont know what the fuck these games are called" - cut
You said best sci-fi writers and I was really hoping you'd say Adams or Asimov...was not disappointed.
Its not always an either-or situation with the gym rats and lazy savants, as you know.
Personally, I prefer the Charles Barkley/Dustin Dollin/John Daly mold. Insane talent and a proclivity for partying.
Funny how you talk about the Soviet Union where they acctually had shorter working days than in the west...
soviet uniion was a damn reason west went to 8 hours days from 12 lol
Thoorin you should do video on what makes a star.
look again
VBJFGXZ ya i see he mentionz it but a full on breaktrhough on what are the characteristics actions just because he gets kills does it make him a star and the star power he alludes 2
A star is born when atoms of light elements are squeezed under enough pressure for their nuclei to undergo fusion. All stars are the result of a balance of forces: the force of gravity compresses atoms in interstellar gas until the fusion reactions begin.
Dev Epi watch coldzera the brazilian terminator for thorin that might help
You hinted at it, please make a video about shroud, his gameplay, mindset, potential... etc
Like when Shroud plays Left 4 Dead 2 and the issue for the society of gaming is that fans and people wants to let their youtubers, and streamers playing the same games all years, it'll not help them cause kids and people tbh have the power or really sometimes like a Minecraft youtubers plays Minecraft all year, the message is that: Let them play different games, I don't care if kids and dudes, fans, or any childrens wouldn criticize you if they can, also your life is better than saying "I have no life," go and use your freetime and have a fun day
It's there life and there choice, not anyone else's and no one can make your decisions
He's a public person now, obviously people will critic everything he does, it's all about perception, it's easy to jump to conclusion, C9 arent doing well and you see 1 guy play all those other game in public on twitch, same with sports and guys going to bars and having fun, there is countless article about that in newspaper, not saying it's right but ppl jump to conclusion like they always have!
I wish C9 was able to have Freak Shroud Stewie Ska and Brax with Sean Gares coaching
I dont understand why pepole are saying that if they would be pros they would play that much hours how need. Example i cant play 3h whitout killing my ayes
A great example would be shrouds teammates Ska - he streams and plays other games and no one complains about him
idk how the whole "He should only play CS" is an argument at all that's like saying football players are never allowed to play Basketball for fun
Actually really happy this is a video
why does he wear headphones if he isnt watching videos
Never thought the word Runescape would come out of Thorin's mouth.
What's funny is my group of friends just recently switched off of vent lol dammit Thorin make meh feel old
You know it's an old guy talking when runescape is what pops up in his mind when namedropping games.
2:36 - *casually fishing in Runescape* ... Thoorin mentions Runescape
The offset handles on your closet are triggering my OCD
Awesome video man, you are so smart. This gives me hope because I do have something that gives me a huge motivation, God. Like Steph Curry who has Philippians 4:13 on his shoes(I think).
Well I get your point but Coldzera spend many hours playing Overwatch and other games also he was diamond on LoL so..
You just have to play it as a hobby and focus on your real job
well overwatch is a braindead easy game if you're good at cs, and league is just map awareness which is very easily learned in cs so it's not too absurd
fuck off nonu you know shit i know youre trolling ass
overwatch is a fairly easy game in comparison to cs, and league in itself mechanically isn't too challenging either, it's all mental which cs is a good game to develop that from, but who am I to say to a salty native :>
Nonu league is one of the most strat heavy games... ever. It's a moba, it's a different kind of game.
kang yang didnt say it wasnt strat heavy, thats mental, I'm saying mechanically it isnt as difficult to grasp/improve on as cs
Shroud and n0thing are the lowest rated players in C9 statistically speaking. they are kept in c9 because of how much they bring to C9 as a brand, they are loved players and sell a lot of merch because of that and they happen to be nice people as well. I think they should be streamers for C9 and make space for new talent to shine like what they did with Stewie2k. Like your other video Thorin I think NA teams should strive to win their first major and not settle for just popularity.
gcgx shroud highest adr on c9 wutface
These statistics speak otherwise. www.hltv.org/?pageid=247&playerid=8349 www.hltv.org/?pageid=246&playerid=8349
I see a lot of red of recent, but I also see a lot of not red, on his player profile it says he has 1.09 overall, I think the lack of good events recently is the role change he's made, he is a support player now ya know
Shroud and n0thing are still the lowest rated players in C9 facts are facts. n0thing is 0.93 rating & Shroud is 0.97 rating. Skadoodle is 1.10 rating, Stewie is 1.15 rating & autimatic is 1.15 rating. I understand you're a fan of Shroud which is totally fine, but do your research.
nothing is a lurker not an igl
Shroud is a well rounded professional, that's how i see it. What he lacks in cs skill, he more than makes up for elsewhere for his org.
Bijuu - ShockingGaming lmao
eveR skill includes positioning and game sense so your comment is 'totally ignorant'
eveR You are so dense it's unbelievable. He was informing you that you completely misunderstood Bijuu's comment by thinking he only meant aim by saying Shroud "lacks cs skill." Your quickness to think you are right and the other guy is an idiot shows how I G N O R A N T you are.
you lost the argument (it's ok, as long as you learn) and didn't comprehend the original comment properly. Original comment said "what he lacks in cs skill, he makes up for in x". This is basically 0% related to what you interpreted, which was "he doesn't have any skills in CS, not even mechanical".
'bad positioning/roles', as far as im aware, having bad positioning and game sense constitutes as being bad... am i missing something or is poor positioning a desired skill these days?
Yt algorithm decided to recommend this after 4 years all I can say is look at shroud now a successful streamer Hes Aim Let him reach top of the twitch charts
Well, there is the question of what makes 'pro' players passionate about the game. If shroud was really passionate about csgo he would play better, simple as that. Then there's the prize money from winning majors, shroud makes enough from streaming why would he care? etc etc
Great video as always! I sort of wish it didnt have to be made though, as I just cant fathom how people dont realise the simple concept that is a private life. I guess my problem is I except people to actually think rational thoughts..
i cant stan people who get mad at them for playing something else..... if they want to relax in their off time then thats something they can choose to do
But Thorin , what is the key here ???
6:00 Thorin, we're talking about practice. practice.
That's the point dude. They practice 6-8 hours everyday. Why do you think Stew and shroud start streaming around the same time everyday? Because they just finished practice. You think 4 other teammates would want a guy around if he only sometimes showed up to scrims/practice?
If anybody is capable of working out for 14 hours, plain and simply they ain't training hard enough. Relatable to CS in the fact after playing so much you're going to get tilted and honestly playing 12+ hours a day isn't going to help you any more than playing say 6-8 hours a day.
Man, let it never be said that Thorin doesn't care about the players.
I too am also so old i still call it vent, feelsbadman.
you can follow for cs go videos
Shroud has the talent, just was never able to translate it into the competitive environment, I can name hundreds of sports players in history where this has happened, and it was never anything to do with what they did...
Thorin who has of course been involved in competitive sports
I agree with thoorin to an extent because pros can play other games but I feel that shroud does play pubg just too much not saying players shouldn't play other games it's just I don't see him playing as much CS. Although he is starting to head back to CS a bit more recently which is good. But he does give good exposure to C9. Also I'm not saying shroud it shit. Atleast he is also able to maintain form I just don't wish to see him not have motivation to play CS professionally. Also it's my opinion and I'm prepared for shroud fans to start talking shit about what I'm saying even though I'm not claiming anything really wrong with shroud. I just personally want to see that he's still motivated to play.
Sounds like while your disappointed with how the community perceives Shroud. Like Thorin said, Shroud just happens to be streaming and happens to be playing a different game, doesn't mean he isn't practicing off stream or dedicating hours to CS - But no one really knows right? Its one thing if the C9 team had internal issues and found that other games were getting in the way of practice, but that hasn't been addressed has it?
Take NiKo for example. Incredible player, easily one of the top 10 players currently. No one really knows how much time and dedication it took to get to where he is - And imagine if he ended up being a shit player, who was constantly streaming League of Legends in his free time. People would be quick to assume he isn't dedicated enough. But maybe he did spend a lot of time on other things outside of CS, off stream, but is still an amazing player? No one can say for sure, which is why we shouldn't be so quick to assume.
It just so happens that NA players give a lot of exposure through Twitch to connect with their fans, that everyone thinks they know how these players operate - We really don't. And its unfair to say "Oh I saw Shroud streaming for x amount of time, and not CS" - So what right? Everyone needs a balance of life, and whether he streams it or not - Its not up to anyone but himself to decide whether he needs to commit more time to CS.
Not here to shit talk - Just opening up a different perspective
Yeah this kinda response I don't mind instead of people just saying stupid things because they don't like what they hear (or read in this case). I'd rather have someone give a good response with their own opinion then the fan boys who tune out anything they hear that's negative.
speaks his mind love it :)
runescape
why u so mad
Why is he wearing his jacket inside?
Yorick Martens he is constantly traveling so he does not pay for heating
In all seriousness though I think talent will only get you so far. The people who work the hardest and have their entire focus on their goals will succeed. This is supposed to be a professional sport. You don't see NFL players practising baseball or any other sport.
I'm into motorcycle racing and there is a very good book written by Keith Code called "Twist of the wrist". In the book he explains that a persons attention or awareness can be represented by a 10 dollar bill. When you first start riding you may spend 8 dollars of your attention just to operate the clutch properly to not stall the bike. As you become more experienced the amount you spend on basic things like this becomes less and less to the point you may only spend a nickel leaving the vast majority of your attention to the important things.
The same can be applied to CSGO. The more you practise something the easier it becomes because it becomes second nature and the better your muscle memory will be.
Don't misunderstand, I don't think pros should play 24/7. They are human they need other things in their lives. However when they are at a computer they should be focused on and playing the game they are being paid to play.
Preach
That outro is worth watching alone LUL
still using vent 2017
I always thought shroud is a extremely good aimer, but if you mean a all around cs player, I agree with he's below average, the issues shroud has is positioning and team play, when ever shroud streams he gets these insane clips with ridiculous aim but he's being aggressive and holding w, but he doesn't do that in matches. One of the critiques of shroud is that he lacks aggression in gun fights.
Great video. Keep 'em coming.
the best thing to take away from this is the last sentence he says.
its funny, shroud doesn't prioritize stream over pro play? I believe shroud "left" the active roster and cs as a professional because of the community, and the backlash of constantly being blamed for all losses when ska was looking like a silver, but no when shroud does well no one says it just when he is bad.
It all comes down to what you want out of the team, if you want to win major, you better fucking put in those extra hours all the time, if you are happy being a team like c9, not really every gonna win a major, but they can beat anyone for sure.
And if the team owners just want a popular team like c9 that makes them a shit ton of money thats okay. But you have to understand that the fans are not gonna settle with oh at least the owners are gettting rich and the players have a nice salary. Ofc they want C9 to win a lot of stuff, compete for majors. So when the players dont put in that little extra, maybe bring in someone who does? There is nothing wrong with the Korean scene as long as no one is being forced into doing something. The best players should always play in the best teams.
Some people seriously underestimate how NOT playing can benefit your game play.
Facts
New jacket? Looks good.
olof stated that he needs a good life in order to be a good player. playing 24/7 isnt the key
HA, Ventrilo. Good ol'days!
i'd like to see a video on the recent cs_summit lan tourney
The only reason they should improve is maybe to get better salary or even just for there own pride.
I just think he isnt confident enough on lan that's it hes a great player
I liked this video that means nothing to me because i heard the word Runescape.
Shroud:
+ Calm & Collected.
+ Precise flicks.
+ Insane whipping aim.
+ Becomes GOD when Alone vs Multiple enemies.
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I do not want to write this - because nobody can be sure for it - but I think Mike lost the passion for the game.
Much pro's are bored in a way - of how Valve make so much money and game gets worse and broken.
I like shroud
Ofc becuase u are 10y old kid.
6Xp3z very good argumentation.
6Xp3z becuase
Amazing reasoning and logic.
Salty NA fangays.
Well spoken as always Skrillamaster Thoorin.
Who gives a fuck, shroud is earning Mad dough streaming PUBG now anyway.
Amen Thorin, amen.
8:00 damn Thorin went ham.
You people need to focus more on your own life then what someone is doing with there life this is so sad!!