If they keep pushing it in 20 years there will be very few new drivers on the road as the once cheap banger most new drivers get for their first car will get banned and very few will be able to afford the insurance let alone and EV!!!
I'm a service engineer, and my employer's policy is to have EVs. But they will only pay us 10p / mile for electricity. So I've opted out and am running a petrol car. Still don't get anywhere near the HMRC rate for using a personal car for business use though. Need to retire!
The EV industry looked like a bright innovation a few years ago. Well, that’s how I saw it. I weighed out my needs three years ago when it was time to purchase a new car. All I wanted was something to drive around town. So, I decided on a new Nissan Leaf. It’s been a good decision based on less operating costs. Well, the trade in value is horrible, but I realize at my age, I’ll be gone before I need a new car anyway. For people thinking of getting an EV and hope to drive it long distances, think again. Unless you’re prepared to just drive it around town, don’t waste your money. The EV industry has become a bloody joke. Typical with major corporations. The put the thought of profits before brains. 🙄
In a race between you dropping down dead and your leaf doing the same, I would put my money on the leaf. My 8 year old, leaf 30 kwhr Teckna 6.6 charger, bought from new, has lost 33% battery capacity and range in only 40 k miles, heading fast for the scrap yard in the sky. Never again ! Luckily I also have a 16 year old Mercedes E Class diesel and a 20 year old Mazda MX5, both working perfectly, the Mercedes still having the brimmed range of the 650 miles I bought it with new.
I bought an i3 for a 70 mile daily commute to charge at home back in 2016. It did a stellar job for that 20k/year driving. Knocked out 80,000 no problem and about 95% capacity left. Long distance the 120 ish miles of range is frustrating but it was an older ev. My parents (70s) have an ev (Zoe) and a diesel. They are planning on selling the diesel for a second hand electric car. A real 250 mile range hits the 4 hours of driving that they can safely manage without becoming over tired. The cars are getting to the stage where long range driving becomes an endurance trial and the charging experience is improving (with contactless and more chargers) the costs will only stop going up when people make as much of a fuss over them as people do a penny of tax on petrol 😅
@@stevezodiac491I don’t do much driving, so based on that, I doubt I will live longer than the Leaf. On the average I’ve driven about 1000 miles per year. At close to 80 years old, at 10,000 miles per decade, and with my health, if I reach 90 i will believe in miracles. 😊
@@Stepbystep745% battery degradation in 80,000 miles is great. Proper charging maintaining a level between 20 to 80% is conducive to battery longevity. Unfortunately, so many EV owners don’t know that. Charging to 100%, and especially using rapid charging , will degrade a batteries life. You done well with your EV.
@@kelalamusic9258 to be honest since moving out to the sticks during covid I do a lot more rapid charging on long journeys than I used to. I do think they should probably make the headline range of the battery something more from 95% charge so manufacturers find it easier to make the default behaviour kind to the battery
@@Lyndalewinder when diesel went up to 1.75/litre I made my own with vegetable oil from Iceland. Even with brand new oil and reagent grade methanol it came in at 1.71 / litre. So that puts a ceiling on the cost.
If the Goverment [shysters] add a fuel tax onto public charges , say 25% , then fuel will be £1.25 per kilo-watt hour . When we are all driving 100 kio-watt batt. evs.. To get round home charging the idiots in charge will start charging standed rate plus25% to all home charges !!
Another conundrum if EVs are ever to become mainstream is having enough Amps to charge multiple EVs for each household. In Aus, we have on average 2 or 3 cars per house. Charging 1 EV overnight is already stressing out the household power system, let alone 2 or 3
That's a good point. I charge twice a week and that equates to 80kw. If I was to charge from home that would mean drawing 80 x 52 or 4160kw on top of my existing electricity which is presently about 6000kw per annum. That is an increase of approximately 70%. For one car x how many households?
To easily convert p/kWh to p/litre. Take the unit cost e.g. 80p/kWh and times it by 3....= £2.40/litre! Welcome to EV public charging since September 2021. Luckily you don't have to use public charging. Home charging provides 7.5p/kWh for 6 hours overnight, or 22.5p/litre. So it isn't all bad news. ;)
I think people need to decide for themselves if an EV works for their situation. For example if you don’t have access to charging at home and need to use public chargers all the time, it probably isn’t for you. If you do have home charging and can charge at £0.075 per kw/h and that is how you do 95% of your charging then it probably does work for you. Until it works for you, stay on ICE. Everyone’s life is different and just because it doesn’t work for you, doesn’t mean it doesn’t for others.
I wouldn’t (couldn’t) use public charging. If I couldn’t charge at home, I wouldn’t have an EV. At this time it is probably the most important single metric someone should consider before making an EV car choice.
Spot on, why do people bag EV's if it doesn't suit your driving needs. It's a bit like someone who owns a Porsche 911s turbo and you get people bagging it, saying it will not tow a big caravan very well..
Congratulations. This is the first sensible comment here. I have an EV, and it's perfect for me - I do about 12,000 miles per year and have free charging at work / cheap charging at home. The range of my car is about 200 miles in winter and 250 in summer. The thing is, the number of days per YEAR I travel over 200 miles (and need public chargers) is 2. As such, it's perfect for me, but if I could not charge at home/work, then I would have a Kia Stinger tomorrow In the short to medium term, people (on both sides) need to realise that EVs are not the entire solution but are very much part of it. The switchover doesn't factor in the 35% who can't charge at home. The only two ways forward are to stop the mandate (90% of EV owners claim they will never switch back) or build obscene numbers on public 22KW chargers with a fair rate (sub 15p-20p kwH). If these were available for 1 in 4 parking bays everywhere (e.g. your local Tesco would have 20 or so chargers), then people would be more likely to switch.
My local public charge station. 5 miles from home, but the diesel is cheap and I was passing. Theres 2 charge points. One has been out of order and covered over for over 2 years! Speaking to the petrol station lady.. There should be 8 charge points but they were never installed due to grid limitations. There is always a queue to charge. The other day I filled up with diesel and noticed someone waiting, I went to work, returned to top up with diesel. The guy was still there, except he was now waiting for his car to charge. He had been there over 6 hours! They have also increased their pricing from 65p kw/hr to 85p kw/hr. He tells me his next car wont be an EV. He is just waiting for his lease to end.
A local ev charging station near me is charging £1.75 per kw for first 10 kw then 90p per kw after that. that’s crazy Considering most ev get average 3 per kw. How on earth is it possible to run these they are ridiculously more expensive my father-in-law said his insurance is double the non-ev version that he previously had. That with the electric cost, how is this even viable for Family that is struggling just to pay their general bills.
I'm being charge £0.07p at home, costs 45p for a 50mile round trip commute. Owned the EV since 2022, NEVER used a public charger outside Tesla Superchargers. 14,000miles clocked. Define how me, an ordinary punter 'is being ripped off'.
55,000 miles and used a public charger once. Only added 16 miles while at a Harvester because it was a comfort buffer in case of hold ups on the Motorway home. Didn’t need it, but why not. That’s typical for public charging for those who charge at home. Just the occasional sip of the expensive stuff.
Lucky you - you can afford a Tesla - at about twice the price of an equivalent ICE vehicle - and you can charge at home. The rest of us ordinary punters will just have to walk I guess. But on the point of being ripped off: 1) ev's are really expensive, 2) ev's are really heavy (road and tyre wear), 3) ev's have dreadful motorway range and none available in Europe can recharge 100% in anywhere near an ICE vehicle's 5 minute refill, 4) ev depreciation is insane, 5) ev insurance is out of reach, 6) public charging is a totally disjointed, inconvenient, rip-off mess Like you, I have an ev (since 2021) and have clocked 50,000 km, so I think I'm pretty aware of the realities of ev ownership. So yep, you (and I) are being ripped off.
Even when EV cars are charged using electricity generated by fossil fuels it would be around 1/20th of the co2 emissions of an average petrol car because burning fossil fuel to generate electricity is still cleaner and more efficient than burning fossil fuels in cars. That 1/20th figure assumes that all electricity is produced by fossil fuels when in reality something like 40% is from renewables. It simply isn't a valid argument.
I make 32k per year working long weeks and parking my car away from anywhere I could charge it regularly whilst at work for 10-12 hrs a day. My partner has an annual salary of 26k a year. We need 1 car for me to get to work and back at early hours in the morning coming to and from work. Im going to keep buying used diesel and small petrol cars for 1-2k no chance would I pay that same amount per month nearly to own an electric car that I don't own.
@@chappy2121 that doesn't make sense. If they wanted to drive up prices they would say there was a problem and more investment was needed. This is what the water companies are doing.
@@timsbird1971 OfGem's statements read more like HR spin than fact. The electricity providers are simply lying about the supply challenge. Ionity has spent over 6 months so far on a new charging station at Udine in Italy. I can only put this down to government regulations and lack of feed-in power - or maybe it's just Italy. Whatever the case, public charging is a total mess at the moment in Europe.
If you ignore the initial purchase price then even on a standard home electricity tariff the price per mile for EV is less than a decently efficient petrol car. Obviously, when you factor in the purchase price you would have to do a considerable number of miles to reach a break-even point with an efficient petrol car. Public charging on the other hand if you are driving something other than a Tesla is considerably more than and efficient petrol car.
@@hudsonbear5038 Sucks to be you then. If you want to keep losing money to the old way of doing things keep going. It’s even worse in the summer when I can drive that 1400 miles for free. One day we’ll get charged per mile of driving, but for now, it’s pretty cheap.
I have a BM 435D GC X-Drive. It's £180 per year to tax as its emissions are so low. Progress in exhaust emissions continues to provide cleaner & lower emissions as time goes by. My friend has a Seat Ibiza & it's so clean that it's £30 / year to tax. And it's quite nippy with a range of roughly 500 miles per tank. My gripe is the cows give off more polluted air than the ICE. And I'm disgusted that supermarkets are charging £1.52p litre when we all know refined crude is as cheap as it was when a litre was around the £1.00 mark. This is even the case while the war Russia has initiated has stopped their supply of crude. I reckon if this happened in France, the roads would be blocked until prices came down.
Charging an EV is akin to filling up an ICE vehicle with a 4 gallon tank with a syringe. That's public charging which a lot of EV drivers, including myself, have to use because we can't change from home and that includes a granny charger. EV's are definitely not for everyone depending on their circumstance. Government's should acknowledge this. As someone else said, wait until they put fuel duty on electricity.
The point that's being missed here is the fact that public charging is not a viable business model unless the owner charges an appropriate amount to cover their costs and make a small profit. And this is why public charging is so expensive. Public charging costs are bound to vary because the costs are also variable. The basic problem is, EVs are a scam and so is the whole net zero thing. We don't need EVs as much we need a government that's prepared to face up to the facts and get this country on the right track.
According to a quick google search, over 70% of UK homes have access to off-street parking. Whether that be a drive way, or an aprtment block car park. Either way, chargers can be installed by either the home-owner, or the building-owner. So to say "the vast majority most of us don't have a driveway" is a little misleading.
EV's are not popular. That's why you have to queue to charge them! Or to paraphrase Yogi Berra, that resturant isn't popular anymore. It's too crowded. This guy is full of you know what!
family children went in tesla showroom and the sales guy would Not let me turn on the heater with heat pump inside the tesla car, they said because it will use up too much battery and will have to charge the car again, this proves ev heating it uses up too much battery very fast even with a heat pump, even the tesla sales man got ev battery anxiety
When I visited the Tesla showroom none of the cars were 'turned on' fully as clearly they don't want you putting them into drive and moving them; of course if you leave stuff running it will obviously use power and like any car if you try to run too much off the 12v utility battery it will drain it which is why some car dealers will disconnect the 12v battery on their showroom models. Running the AC in an ICE car can reduce fuel efficiency by up to 10% so there is a cost to it, looking at usage stats on my last journey I put more back into the battery through regenerative braking than the any of the combined consumption from the AC and all other electrical elements combined; I do however accept that on motorway journeys there will be less regenerative braking.
@@jusidit They do have people in the showroom who show you around the cars, sort out test drives and run through the financing options etc. so they are sort of like sales staff. Running the AC does hit the battery a fair bit but on most town type journeys the regenerative braking is offsetting.
Ah, but isn't that how all 'dealers' operate? The first hit is free. In many cases that means you're hooked for life (because people with addictive personalities are precisely the kind of people who get into smoking or boozing or tattooing or piercing by just trying it once...); after that, you pay and pay and pay...😞
I disagree that EV owners are being ripped off by public fast chargers. It's difficult to make a case that a company is ripping people off if, despite the prices they charge per kwh, the operators are still making very little profit if not actually losing money. To the contrary, this tells me that the business model itself is rubbish and unsustainable.
You forgot to mention that there is a charging efficiency. The amount of electricity that the charger generates and charges you in money, is more than you actually get in your car battery. Generally speaking 12 to 15% of the electricity charged in money terms is lost to efficiency before it gets to the car's battery. AC charger to the DC car battery at home being the most inefficient and DC to DC rapid chargers being more efficient. So the cost per mile is even worse than you stated to run an EV. On degradation, I was an early adopter, I have had my EV from new for 8 years now, and it has still only done circa 40k miles, yet it has lost 33% battery capacity to degradation. It is now only used as a local runabout, tethered to it's octopus home charger range, the only thing it was ever any good for. I will never buy another one.
About the price, fast charging is more a service than just electricity. A fast charger is *very* expansive, as is the installation, and the subscription to the grid, not to mention the spot by itself. Just ask your electricity provider a 1 MW line for your home to have an idea, and it is just for 4 stalls (250 kW) while some sites have dozen of fast chargers. Not to mention people want the charger to be available when they arrive, so underused, so not a very good business. So the best is to charge at home (I pay less than 1,5 € for 100 km off peak) but also at "destination charge points" (eg 11 kW) at the shopping mall, the restaurant, the movie theater, or any place were you park for a few hours not to charge but because you have something to do at this place. Regarding Superchargers, Tesla owners have paid around 2000 € to contribute to the fast charger network when they bought their car, so when they charge they only pay the working costs and not anymore the investment. You can have the same prices as Tesla owners by subscribing, I do not know the price but I guess you can subscribe for a long long time with 2000 € so not a bad deal. To conclude, fast charging could have been quite cheaper for everybody if all carmakers had contributed but it would have make cars more expansive or/and margins smaller, so few did.
You may be surprised to find out that to make a gallon of petrol from oil it requires 4kwh of electricity.. The same amount wasted on making petrol will drive an EV about 15 miles. So if you're driving about in an inefficient fire powered SUV getting 30mpg you're technically getting 15mpg from the energy wasted in refining. The grid will be able to cope. 16 panels on the roof of a house make enough electricity to drive 10,000 miles.
@@leeshoesmith3286OK, well on that basis an EV with a 64kWh battery (few are that big) will only go 20 miles on a full charge, so the plan to keep my petrol car is certainly vindicated!
Folk spend 37 hours at work a week. That's about 750 miles that they could charge their cars with weekly while they're sat at a desk when the sun is shining.
I suppose these would make sense if your charging at home and you have bypassed your meter !!😂 Still wouldn’t have one though , where do you actually go to buy an electric car anyway? Do they sell them in Currys ?
Yes mate and these are yet another reason that I shall nEVer buy an EV simply because of the inconvenience of waiting for a charger to be available, finding one that works, degrading the battery life (plus the need for an earlier replacement of the battery) , and not least the amount of time one has to wait for the wretched thing to charge. I have better things to do with my life as it is and EV's are just another method of power and control over us by our brain dead politicians. Plus have said for a very long time now that they will hike the cost of charging when they get around to realise how much is being lost in fuel excise - but I suspect they already know and have planned for this to happen!!
The only sustainable way of doing EVs is to put L2 EVSEs everywhere people frequently stop for 60+ minutes so the only time anybody besides people who live on the road has to use fast-charging is road trips.
Fuel is subsidised. And it would be about 50% more expensive right now if there wasn't the option of EVs. The oil barons don't like it when another new EV is sold.. That's a lot less business for them so they're keeping the price at the pumps low to keep selling inefficient cars selling..
Charging at home is insanely cheap BUT then you charge at a public charger and you’re right …..more expensive than petrol. But even the slower chargers are still around 47p/kw ! Government needs to sort this out. I love my Tesla best car I’ve owned I can’t go back to gas but cmon these public charge prices are nuts!!!
Comparing chargers to household consumption makes no sense. Why not compare a factory or supermarket or business park? If the DNO can supply it then it is fine. It also prevents the need for curtailment on wind turbines.
Demand based charging costs are coming, so it will be way more expensive at peak times, and £1kWh will seem cheap soon. Add on the taxes that will soon appear when we've all been forced into them, and watch the costs skyrocket. Many will just give up driving because of this, because they just can't afford it - which is exactly the point.
So, we're to drive around all day trying to charge the bastard. Using power to go nowhere, who has the time or the money to spend hours going nowhere, doing nothing? Looks like a great way to push private transportation out of the market.
Most homes in the UK can support EV charging points. That doesn't mean that better regulation of public charging isn't important though. Scottish government needs to cap prices on public charging, and improve the roll out of destination chargers in car parks and offices. Also worth noting that getting people out of cars and onto public transport must be the primary goal of any government. There will always be exceptions, such as disabilities, but there are too many cars on UK roads at the moment and the problem will get worse. Motorways are already like car parks in several parts of the UK. Highly inefficient, expensive to maintain, and terrible for both atmospheric pollution and co2 emissions.
They should have limited car ownership to those that had space to put them that doesn't cause traffic jams on the road. Living in an ancient market town, some roads are impassable due to twonks double parking. As for c02 emissions, many important things are achieved using fossil fuel powered vehicles and equipment. Their pollution when you weigh it up is nothing compared to refrigerant for example. 10kg of R404A refrigerant is equivalent to 39.2 TONS of c02 or 275,000kms in a car or 916years of a 10w lightbulb. Quite mad really.
10 years I've been saying this was going to happen. Today, decided to get into the mobile charging business. Flat fee $300 - skip the queue at public chargers. A couple of hours of your life back for $300. Bargain! lo lol lol
Why don't they hurry up and organise limited slow public charging to properly charge E.Vs. It would be easy to organise e.g. based on supply & demand. They could come up with some "law" nonsense for electric vehicles only that ensures you confirm whether you intend to buy for private or public charging only use. Then you simply set a limit on how many electric cars are sold for public only use per area based on amount of installed / available slow chargers and a number of spare spots perhaps for visitors & guests. When a certain area has reached its available limit, you can no longer buy E.V.'s for public use in that town. Also you could add a simple rule of making sure the car is collected within 3-5 hours after completing its charge or face immediate impounding. Once cars to fit 200 or 300 charging slots are bought up they can go ahead and build another 300. That's a lot of basic "Slow Charge Infrastructure Issues" solved.
The price of the Charge Place Scotland chargers have shot up over the course of the last year despite no improvement in the reliability of the chargers. I intend to go to Skye in the summer however there appears to be very few working chargers in remote areas and long distances between chargers causing significant range anxiety.
Many a time I here the argument, use home charging. Thank you for hammering this point, I like EV’s and I am not going to change that view. What I crave for now, is a fairly priced, reliable and easy to access public charging platform. Hoped by the time I joined this race, which is this month, I would be smiling, to be honest, I am not at the moment Wonderful video
Agree with fast charging comments. However, one vehicle charging may receive the claimed 350kw but will be reduced as more vehicles connect to manage load on the grid. Of course, same charge will apply but charge time will be increased. Stick with ICE vehicles until forced to change!
In the UK it's quite simple really. If you don't have a private parking space with the possibility of installing a charger then don't buy an electric vehicle. If you can charge at home and don't drive more than about 50 miles from your home then buy whichever EV you want. If you expect to drive further from home than 50 miles on a regular basis then buy a Tesla. Unfortunately the cheapest Tesla costs £40k which is waaaay out of the reach of most people. A bit of good news is that it is likely that Tesla will open up their charging network to other EV's eventually as they have started to do in the US.
The grid is AC, EV's are DC. The sheer amount of transformers and grid capacity required for even 10% of the cars to be EV's will never be reached in most countries. And you can forget EV trucks and buses on any scale past about 5%. And of course as more EV's are used/being charged, they will cause the price of electricity to rise for everybody per Supply and demand. EV users don't deserve free electricity , no more than ICE owners deserve free gas. Nothing is free anyway , somebody has to pay for it. There is no free lunch and EV costs in total are far beyond ICE vehicles.
This is shocking, businesses ripping off the consumer, who would think this could happen. I live in Australia and thinking of buying an EV, I will be able to charge at home with a large roof top solar, so cost me next to nothing. Even our rapid chargers are around 60c (31p) tops and there is lots of free charging as well. This is what happens all the time when the motorist gets something cheaper, these greedy companies soon jack up the prices until it's a waste of time. The government needs to step in and stop this scam, but sometimes they are part of the scam. Look, at the moment most people buying an EV can charge at home, so it makes a lot of sense for city and suburban drivers to go EV.
Some operators will try to exploit the situation and try to charge more. These are temporary. Government needs to provide support for apartment complex, shopping malls and office parking lots to install level 1 and level 2 chargers. This is not at all a big deal. Level 1 chargers are basically like extension cords which needs to be installed at a parking space with some type of payment system. Level 1 chargers can be enabled after peak time in the night around 11 pm. It will take 6 to 8 hours to charge. Some Level 2 chargers can be installed which can charge the car in 3-4 hours. It can be in office lots, shopping malls and wherever you have excess solar power. These are inexpensive to build and government should help them. If this is done, most cars will be charged overnight and there will be less requirement for superchargers. Also, refining a gallon of oil requires 4 kWh of electricity, a Tesla Model 3 can drive 17 miles in 4 kWh. So an EV can get half the electricity it needs by not using petrol or diesel. If we convert the whole fleet into EV, it would require an additional 20% electricity. Lot of electricity is wasted due to less demand in certain times and struggle to get electricity during peak times. Studies have shown smooth out these issues and with utility level battery storage, this can be totally resolved. Also, government must work on punishing these companies that inflate the rates for no reason. UK government pays £13.6 billion to fossil fuel companies for polluting the environment. Even for a year some portion of it is diverted to charging infrastructure, it will solve the problem permanently. If you install a level 2 or level 2 chargers, it works for many years or decades.
Its good to highlight the excessive rip of costs of these chargers. I think as we move over to EVs more pressure from the public will be put on these companies to reduce costs. Other countries its cheaper why not Scotland. Just correct your understanding of the high electricity demand from the grid to these high rate chargers. There is usually a cabin on site full of batteries that is being charged continuously and takes flattens out the high demand from the grid..thanks for your talks.onlyby complaints will the change to EVs improve
I can see why some people who only drive locally and can charge at home would by diesel but if you need to travel…. Yesterday I drove from Forres in N E Scotland to my home in West Wales, 560 miles in 11 hours with 3 pee breaks but no refuelling. An EV would have added hours to my journey and the cost… So it cost me 11.8 p p mile in diesel. I filled up before leaving and after the 560 mile drive (and I wasn’t dawdling) I still have 220 miles of range left. EV’s won’t work for me and that’s without even considering cost to buy and insure and the depreciation, wow, horrendous 😮 Another great video, thank you.
Just a few facts. My 2023 mileage in an ID3. 16771 miles at cost of £574 which works out at 3.42p per mile. Average consumption 3.55m/kwh. 90% charging at home with 10% public charging mostly at Tesla's public superchargers.
When I have EV's on review, I have to use public chargers and from memory I was charged 65p per KW. The last EV I had was hovering around 2.5kw per mile.
Forget the price per kWh. He hit the nail on the head. The fast chargers are drawing so much power from the grid to charge ONE EV. Multiply this out and you have grid overload. Run this further up the chain and you have generation capacity overload. Grid and generation capacity are not being planned for in the USA. Look at California as a bell weather. BTW: 70% of electric generation (in the USA) is STILL being done by Fossil Fuels.
Some blogs on YTube are so enthusiastic when they can report a public charger station being set up somewhere, especially if they have installed more than a dozen units. EV users are already finding that if the charge station is busy then the charge rate is shared out at a slower rate causing everybody to spend longer at the station. That's bad enough now but the network will be hopelessly overwhelmed if everybody is forced into an EV. We are going to need acres of these things eventually. Easter is almost upon us so longer journeys for EV owners could become a nightmare for some as it was last year. My mate who is an EV owner, is not bothered for his journey to Scotland as he will simply use his other ICE car!!!
It's scary how I'm seeing more and more EV Charging Stations being built in all the major Supermarket Car Parks I go to, yet there's been little in terms of increasing UK power generation.
Charge at work for free, it used to cost me £20 a week fuel, now 0, Saving £1000 ayear, charge at home granny charger stll saving. Dont use public chargers then eventually they will bring the price down
WE will all be waiting for the EV bus, while the 1 percent drive past in their classic petrol motor, courtesy of their own forestry plantation carbon "offset".
I was reading about fast chargers in the USA they quoted it costs over 200,000 dollars per chargers and has a life span of between 5 to 7 years depending on on how much they are used
You forgot to add that ALL EV manufactures actually advise AGAINST using faster chargers too often as it DAMAGES the Battery!!! Also so there's a few articles now popping up the EV chargers have been Cyber Hacked in the US...So you may want too have a look at them.
I'm investing in Coffee Shops to push pricey Lattes and Donuts to all the overweight EV "drivers" while they spend their day drinking coffee and munching carbohydrates.
You know what I said that to my wife, get a mobile burger van tow it to the EV chargers, could make a fortune. Obviously will pull the van with my lovely diesel 4x4. 😂
Does annoy me there are EV tariffs and they are much cheaper than general household tariffs. If octopus and the like can offer ev charging around 10p a Kwh why am i paying 25p odd Also one full EV charge would run my house for a good 4 days at least
Because you’re only seeing one side. Some ev owners are better off not being on an ev tariff as 7.5p for 4-6 hours depending on the tariff, however the remaining hours are at 30-35p
Day rate is around 2p extra a Kwh on this EV tariff no much difference really Night rate (23:30 - 05:30): 7.5p / kWh Day rate (05:30 - 23:30): 29.96p / kWh
Question, are chargers fixed prices, i.e. if one is advertised as 250kW, is it a fixed price per kW regardless of what it actually delivers as I hear that some chargers being "strangled" by the grid not being able to cope? Just a thought !
This is why I'm waiting till we can all charge our EVs direct into a normal domestic electric socket without the need for a charging unit . This should be available in around five years time , until then I will never buy an EV .
If you don't do a massive daily commute you can already use the 3pin plug charger, a 12 hour charge will give you 50-60 miles of driving which is enough for a lot of people. I'm not sure if they come included with all cars but some manufacturers definitely include one with the car and you can pick one up for less than the cost of a fixed wall charger. They are still quite bulky though as the cable is taking a fair few amps.
Your comment shows how ill-informed so many are in relation to EVs but still open their mouths to criticise. All EVs come with 3 pin plug chargers and whilst they are slow, (between 2.5% and 5% per hour of battery capacity) for many people that allows all the charging they need and also allows them to use cheap EV tariffs from Octopus and the like. In the meantime stop talking rubbish....
We've all been ripped off by energy companies in the past - why are you so surprised by this? Also whilst there is some evidence that fast charging has a slightly worse effect on battery life than low power charging, you would need to do many hundreds of thousands of miles for it to make a significant effect for a well-designed - say Tesla - type EV. Also what difference does it make if a high power dc charger uses the same power as thirty homes or whatever - are you suggesting that the homes don't have enough power when the chargers are being used? In summary, a load of exageration from you and I speak as someone who owns two EVs and has driven nothing else for three years!
You dont waste time charging an EV - you go for a walk or have a meal or a brew or go to the loo or do some shopping etc. whilst its charging. Two weeks ago while we went shopping around IKEA our car fully charged. With an ICE car however you have to stand and hold the hose LOL - you got it the wrong way round pal!
The whole point of this video is counteracted by one simple fact that’s being ignored in this “fact based” video. That is that 92% of EV charging is done at home. And over 70% of people do have a driveway…. So not really fact based…
The plan is not to have everyone in EVs . It is to have everyone priced off the road, except for the 1% of course
Totally agree it’s going back to the days when the rich are the ones with cars while the rest of us are packed on buses and trains like cattle .
yep tis the plan.
Sounds a bit like Stalin's USSR or Mao's China.
And they won’t drive EVs. Too dangerous. Remember Dav*s?
If they keep pushing it in 20 years there will be very few new drivers on the road as the once cheap banger most new drivers get for their first car will get banned and very few will be able to afford the insurance let alone and EV!!!
I guarantee new petrol and diesel vehicles will be on sale for the foreseeable future. Government policy will change.
I'm a service engineer, and my employer's policy is to have EVs. But they will only pay us 10p / mile for electricity.
So I've opted out and am running a petrol car. Still don't get anywhere near the HMRC rate for using a personal car for business use though. Need to retire!
Retire 👍
in Aust by law we get 85c per km which works out at about 70p per mile
You can claim the difference between what the company pays and the HMRC rate as a tax allowance.
Over charged, Shocking and pun intended.
The EV industry looked like a bright innovation a few years ago. Well, that’s how I saw it. I weighed out my needs three years ago when it was time to purchase a new car. All I wanted was something to drive around town. So, I decided on a new Nissan Leaf. It’s been a good decision based on less operating costs. Well, the trade in value is horrible, but I realize at my age, I’ll be gone before I need a new car anyway.
For people thinking of getting an EV and hope to drive it long distances, think again. Unless you’re prepared to just drive it around town, don’t waste your money. The EV industry has become a bloody joke. Typical with major corporations. The put the thought of profits before brains. 🙄
In a race between you dropping down dead and your leaf doing the same, I would put my money on the leaf. My 8 year old, leaf 30 kwhr Teckna 6.6 charger, bought from new, has lost 33% battery capacity and range in only 40 k miles, heading fast for the scrap yard in the sky. Never again ! Luckily I also have a 16 year old Mercedes E Class diesel and a 20 year old Mazda MX5, both working perfectly, the Mercedes still having the brimmed range of the 650 miles I bought it with new.
I bought an i3 for a 70 mile daily commute to charge at home back in 2016. It did a stellar job for that 20k/year driving. Knocked out 80,000 no problem and about 95% capacity left. Long distance the 120 ish miles of range is frustrating but it was an older ev. My parents (70s) have an ev (Zoe) and a diesel. They are planning on selling the diesel for a second hand electric car. A real 250 mile range hits the 4 hours of driving that they can safely manage without becoming over tired. The cars are getting to the stage where long range driving becomes an endurance trial and the charging experience is improving (with contactless and more chargers) the costs will only stop going up when people make as much of a fuss over them as people do a penny of tax on petrol 😅
@@stevezodiac491I don’t do much driving, so based on that, I doubt I will live longer than the Leaf. On the average I’ve driven about 1000 miles per year. At close to 80 years old, at 10,000 miles per decade, and with my health, if I reach 90 i will believe in miracles. 😊
@@Stepbystep745% battery degradation in 80,000 miles is great. Proper charging maintaining a level between 20 to 80% is conducive to battery longevity. Unfortunately, so many EV owners don’t know that. Charging to 100%, and especially using rapid charging , will degrade a batteries life. You done well with your EV.
@@kelalamusic9258 to be honest since moving out to the sticks during covid I do a lot more rapid charging on long journeys than I used to. I do think they should probably make the headline range of the battery something more from 95% charge so manufacturers find it easier to make the default behaviour kind to the battery
Looks like there'll be a huge demand for second hand normally aspirated cars post 2030!
Intend to buy a couple of 335d - that should last me the rest of my driving life.
I'll keep my cars for at least 20 years and stock a diesel car running on synthetic fuel just in case
@@duydatyds The synthetic fuel will make 85 pence per kWh seem cheap LOL
@@Lyndalewinder when diesel went up to 1.75/litre I made my own with vegetable oil from Iceland. Even with brand new oil and reagent grade methanol it came in at 1.71 / litre. So that puts a ceiling on the cost.
Not turbo cars?
If the Goverment [shysters] add a fuel tax onto public charges , say 25% , then fuel will be £1.25 per kilo-watt hour . When we are all driving 100 kio-watt batt. evs.. To get round home charging the idiots in charge will start charging standed rate plus25% to all home charges !!
Another conundrum if EVs are ever to become mainstream is having enough Amps to charge multiple EVs for each household. In Aus, we have on average 2 or 3 cars per house. Charging 1 EV overnight is already stressing out the household power system, let alone 2 or 3
That's a good point. I charge twice a week and that equates to 80kw. If I was to charge from home that would mean drawing 80 x 52 or 4160kw on top of my existing electricity which is presently about 6000kw per annum. That is an increase of approximately 70%. For one car x how many households?
To easily convert p/kWh to p/litre. Take the unit cost e.g. 80p/kWh and times it by 3....= £2.40/litre! Welcome to EV public charging since September 2021. Luckily you don't have to use public charging. Home charging provides 7.5p/kWh for 6 hours overnight, or 22.5p/litre. So it isn't all bad news. ;)
Or (in Finland) 95E10 is about €0.32/kWh (if engine efficiency 65% is included).
@@mikapeltokorpi7671Where have you found a 65% efficient engine? Internal Combustion Engines are less than 30% at best. Most are nearer 20%.
@@Nick_Smith1970 Good point, bad googling.
You will, be forced to get rid of your car, as one SNP member stated awhile back "the days of unlimited car travel is over"
I think people need to decide for themselves if an EV works for their situation.
For example if you don’t have access to charging at home and need to use public chargers all the time, it probably isn’t for you.
If you do have home charging and can charge at £0.075 per kw/h and that is how you do 95% of your charging then it probably does work for you.
Until it works for you, stay on ICE.
Everyone’s life is different and just because it doesn’t work for you, doesn’t mean it doesn’t for others.
I wouldn’t (couldn’t) use public charging. If I couldn’t charge at home, I wouldn’t have an EV. At this time it is probably the most important single metric someone should consider before making an EV car choice.
Spot on, why do people bag EV's if it doesn't suit your driving needs. It's a bit like someone who owns a Porsche 911s turbo and you get people bagging it, saying it will not tow a big caravan very well..
Well said.
Congratulations. This is the first sensible comment here.
I have an EV, and it's perfect for me - I do about 12,000 miles per year and have free charging at work / cheap charging at home. The range of my car is about 200 miles in winter and 250 in summer. The thing is, the number of days per YEAR I travel over 200 miles (and need public chargers) is 2. As such, it's perfect for me, but if I could not charge at home/work, then I would have a Kia Stinger tomorrow
In the short to medium term, people (on both sides) need to realise that EVs are not the entire solution but are very much part of it.
The switchover doesn't factor in the 35% who can't charge at home. The only two ways forward are to stop the mandate (90% of EV owners claim they will never switch back) or build obscene numbers on public 22KW chargers with a fair rate (sub 15p-20p kwH). If these were available for 1 in 4 parking bays everywhere (e.g. your local Tesco would have 20 or so chargers), then people would be more likely to switch.
My local public charge station. 5 miles from home, but the diesel is cheap and I was passing.
Theres 2 charge points. One has been out of order and covered over for over 2 years!
Speaking to the petrol station lady.. There should be 8 charge points but they were never installed due to grid limitations.
There is always a queue to charge.
The other day I filled up with diesel and noticed someone waiting, I went to work, returned to top up with diesel. The guy was still there, except he was now waiting for his car to charge. He had been there over 6 hours!
They have also increased their pricing from 65p kw/hr to 85p kw/hr.
He tells me his next car wont be an EV. He is just waiting for his lease to end.
A local ev charging station near me is charging £1.75 per kw for first 10 kw then 90p per kw after that. that’s crazy Considering most ev get average 3 per kw. How on earth is it possible to run these they are ridiculously more expensive my father-in-law said his insurance is double the non-ev version that he previously had. That with the electric cost, how is this even viable for Family that is struggling just to pay their general bills.
Then dont use it!!!!!
@@Lyndalewinder I don’t but pointing out prices are rediculous
You don’t think this charade is for any one that low on the totem pole, do you?
Someone near me just runs the cable over the road and charges that way. Its a black cable on a black road at night so i hope no one trips over it.
Maybe you should have an unfortunate 'accident' and then sue them 🤣
I’m pretty sure that is not legal in the UK.
I'm being charge £0.07p at home, costs 45p for a 50mile round trip commute.
Owned the EV since 2022, NEVER used a public charger outside Tesla Superchargers.
14,000miles clocked.
Define how me, an ordinary punter 'is being ripped off'.
Youre right mate - most of them are just jealous that they cant afford and EV!
55,000 miles and used a public charger once. Only added 16 miles while at a Harvester because it was a comfort buffer in case of hold ups on the Motorway home. Didn’t need it, but why not.
That’s typical for public charging for those who charge at home. Just the occasional sip of the expensive stuff.
Lucky you - you can afford a Tesla - at about twice the price of an equivalent ICE vehicle - and you can charge at home. The rest of us ordinary punters will just have to walk I guess. But on the point of being ripped off: 1) ev's are really expensive, 2) ev's are really heavy (road and tyre wear), 3) ev's have dreadful motorway range and none available in Europe can recharge 100% in anywhere near an ICE vehicle's 5 minute refill, 4) ev depreciation is insane, 5) ev insurance is out of reach, 6) public charging is a totally disjointed, inconvenient, rip-off mess Like you, I have an ev (since 2021) and have clocked 50,000 km, so I think I'm pretty aware of the realities of ev ownership. So yep, you (and I) are being ripped off.
@@balkanleopard9728 I'm an ex-forces mechanic, couldn't get more 'ordinary'. But, I did do my own research.
Also the public chargers are power by fossil fuel power stations
Not always many have solar and battery storage.
@@djgoodelol nope...that's a fallacy. Even Tesla superchargers run off the regular grid
@@jjjnout6778 funny how reality is different
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Even when EV cars are charged using electricity generated by fossil fuels it would be around 1/20th of the co2 emissions of an average petrol car because burning fossil fuel to generate electricity is still cleaner and more efficient than burning fossil fuels in cars. That 1/20th figure assumes that all electricity is produced by fossil fuels when in reality something like 40% is from renewables. It simply isn't a valid argument.
Not in Scotland 😂
I make 32k per year working long weeks and parking my car away from anywhere I could charge it regularly whilst at work for 10-12 hrs a day. My partner has an annual salary of 26k a year. We need 1 car for me to get to work and back at early hours in the morning coming to and from work. Im going to keep buying used diesel and small petrol cars for 1-2k no chance would I pay that same amount per month nearly to own an electric car that I don't own.
There is no way out electricity grid can keep up with this madness, where are all the new power stations needed?
Not according to OfGem and every single electricity provider.
@timsbird1971 why do you think that is? It wouldn't be so they can drive up the price even more.....
@@chappy2121 that doesn't make sense. If they wanted to drive up prices they would say there was a problem and more investment was needed. This is what the water companies are doing.
My thoughts exactly!!
@@timsbird1971 OfGem's statements read more like HR spin than fact. The electricity providers are simply lying about the supply challenge. Ionity has spent over 6 months so far on a new charging station at Udine in Italy. I can only put this down to government regulations and lack of feed-in power - or maybe it's just Italy. Whatever the case, public charging is a total mess at the moment in Europe.
Even at home the bloody electricity prices are high would never have an ev car or motor bike
If you ignore the initial purchase price then even on a standard home electricity tariff the price per mile for EV is less than a decently efficient petrol car. Obviously, when you factor in the purchase price you would have to do a considerable number of miles to reach a break-even point with an efficient petrol car. Public charging on the other hand if you are driving something other than a Tesla is considerably more than and efficient petrol car.
My electricity bill from mid Feb to mid March was £68. That is for the home and all electricity for the car, at 1400 miles of driving.
@@javelinXH992 YEAH I don't believe you...
@@hudsonbear5038 Sucks to be you then. If you want to keep losing money to the old way of doing things keep going. It’s even worse in the summer when I can drive that 1400 miles for free. One day we’ll get charged per mile of driving, but for now, it’s pretty cheap.
@@javelinXH992 Like I said. I don't believe your BS.... But you enjoy your EV whilst you can.
Thanks for the information.
I have a BM 435D GC X-Drive. It's £180 per year to tax as its emissions are so low. Progress in exhaust emissions continues to provide cleaner & lower emissions as time goes by. My friend has a Seat Ibiza & it's so clean that it's £30 / year to tax. And it's quite nippy with a range of roughly 500 miles per tank. My gripe is the cows give off more polluted air than the ICE. And I'm disgusted that supermarkets are charging £1.52p litre when we all know refined crude is as cheap as it was when a litre was around the £1.00 mark. This is even the case while the war Russia has initiated has stopped their supply of crude. I reckon if this happened in France, the roads would be blocked until prices came down.
Charging an EV is akin to filling up an ICE vehicle with a 4 gallon tank with a syringe. That's public charging which a lot of EV drivers, including myself, have to use because we can't change from home and that includes a granny charger. EV's are definitely not for everyone depending on their circumstance. Government's should acknowledge this. As someone else said, wait until they put fuel duty on electricity.
The point that's being missed here is the fact that public charging is not a viable business model unless the owner charges an appropriate amount to cover their costs and make a small profit. And this is why public charging is so expensive. Public charging costs are bound to vary because the costs are also variable. The basic problem is, EVs are a scam and so is the whole net zero thing. We don't need EVs as much we need a government that's prepared to face up to the facts and get this country on the right track.
According to a quick google search, over 70% of UK homes have access to off-street parking. Whether that be a drive way, or an aprtment block car park. Either way, chargers can be installed by either the home-owner, or the building-owner. So to say "the vast majority most of us don't have a driveway" is a little misleading.
EV's are not popular. That's why you have to queue to charge them! Or to paraphrase Yogi Berra, that resturant isn't popular anymore. It's too crowded. This guy is full of you know what!
family children went in tesla showroom and the sales guy would Not let me turn on the heater with heat pump inside the tesla car, they said because it will use up too much battery and will have to charge the car again, this proves ev heating it uses up too much battery very fast even with a heat pump, even the tesla sales man got ev battery anxiety
Cool story Bro.
Tesla don't have sales guys.
Complete BS.
When I visited the Tesla showroom none of the cars were 'turned on' fully as clearly they don't want you putting them into drive and moving them; of course if you leave stuff running it will obviously use power and like any car if you try to run too much off the 12v utility battery it will drain it which is why some car dealers will disconnect the 12v battery on their showroom models. Running the AC in an ICE car can reduce fuel efficiency by up to 10% so there is a cost to it, looking at usage stats on my last journey I put more back into the battery through regenerative braking than the any of the combined consumption from the AC and all other electrical elements combined; I do however accept that on motorway journeys there will be less regenerative braking.
@@jusidit They do have people in the showroom who show you around the cars, sort out test drives and run through the financing options etc. so they are sort of like sales staff. Running the AC does hit the battery a fair bit but on most town type journeys the regenerative braking is offsetting.
When 10 fast chargers are running at the same time they’re throttle down.
... and currently no charge providers are making any profit. Unsustainable !
Oh did I mention the time you will be sat waiting 🤣🤣🤣
They can charge what they like because you’re not going to have the option to go elsewhere in the main ?
One private jet flight of Rishi Sunak and his friends creates more carbon than the average person does in their lifetime.
When I first got an EV back in 2017 charging in my city was free! LOL
Ah, but isn't that how all 'dealers' operate? The first hit is free. In many cases that means you're hooked for life (because people with addictive personalities are precisely the kind of people who get into smoking or boozing or tattooing or piercing by just trying it once...); after that, you pay and pay and pay...😞
No, it was funded by a local authority@@EleanorPeterson
what is the name of the channel where the guy went to the chargers and none of them worked?
Electric car man ... EVM?
How about the bulshit channel - never happened to me in three years EV ownership LOL
I disagree that EV owners are being ripped off by public fast chargers. It's difficult to make a case that a company is ripping people off if, despite the prices they charge per kwh, the operators are still making very little profit if not actually losing money. To the contrary, this tells me that the business model itself is rubbish and unsustainable.
In the UK, the average home consumption / day is 8 to 10 kWh. So a 350 kW charger will only pull the same as 35 homes, not 80.
8 to 10 cumulatively per day yes however the average load often hovers around 3/3.5 kW. The charger will be drawing 80x times that approx.
You forgot to mention that there is a charging efficiency. The amount of electricity that the charger generates and charges you in money, is more than you actually get in your car battery. Generally speaking 12 to 15% of the electricity charged in money terms is lost to efficiency before it gets to the car's battery. AC charger to the DC car battery at home being the most inefficient and DC to DC rapid chargers being more efficient. So the cost per mile is even worse than you stated to run an EV. On degradation, I was an early adopter, I have had my EV from new for 8 years now, and it has still only done circa 40k miles, yet it has lost 33% battery capacity to degradation. It is now only used as a local runabout, tethered to it's octopus home charger range, the only thing it was ever any good for. I will never buy another one.
About the price, fast charging is more a service than just electricity. A fast charger is *very* expansive, as is the installation, and the subscription to the grid, not to mention the spot by itself. Just ask your electricity provider a 1 MW line for your home to have an idea, and it is just for 4 stalls (250 kW) while some sites have dozen of fast chargers. Not to mention people want the charger to be available when they arrive, so underused, so not a very good business. So the best is to charge at home (I pay less than 1,5 € for 100 km off peak) but also at "destination charge points" (eg 11 kW) at the shopping mall, the restaurant, the movie theater, or any place were you park for a few hours not to charge but because you have something to do at this place. Regarding Superchargers, Tesla owners have paid around 2000 € to contribute to the fast charger network when they bought their car, so when they charge they only pay the working costs and not anymore the investment. You can have the same prices as Tesla owners by subscribing, I do not know the price but I guess you can subscribe for a long long time with 2000 € so not a bad deal. To conclude, fast charging could have been quite cheaper for everybody if all carmakers had contributed but it would have make cars more expansive or/and margins smaller, so few did.
You may be surprised to find out that to make a gallon of petrol from oil it requires 4kwh of electricity..
The same amount wasted on making petrol will drive an EV about 15 miles.
So if you're driving about in an inefficient fire powered SUV getting 30mpg you're technically getting 15mpg from the energy wasted in refining.
The grid will be able to cope.
16 panels on the roof of a house make enough electricity to drive 10,000 miles.
An ev on a motorway will use 3.2kw per mile and chargers range in price from 65p to 89p per kw
I think you mean 3.2 miles per kWh. Even at that it's still ludicrously expensive compared to petrol or diesel.
@John_L no I do not mean 3.2 miles per kw, at 70 mph an ev uses 3.2 kw per mile
@@leeshoesmith3286OK, well on that basis an EV with a 64kWh battery (few are that big) will only go 20 miles on a full charge, so the plan to keep my petrol car is certainly vindicated!
I can't afford to charge at public chargers - I would rather take my diesel car.
Folk spend 37 hours at work a week. That's about 750 miles that they could charge their cars with weekly while they're sat at a desk when the sun is shining.
I suppose these would make sense if your charging at home and you have bypassed your meter !!😂
Still wouldn’t have one though , where do you actually go to buy an electric car anyway?
Do they sell them in Currys ?
At least " tea leafs " aren't stealing the charger cables for the copper content , yet ...
They are in big cities in ‘Merica.
In France the chargers are 300kwh and cost half the price.
Yes mate and these are yet another reason that I shall nEVer buy an EV simply because of the inconvenience of waiting for a charger to be available, finding one that works, degrading the battery life (plus the need for an earlier replacement of the battery) , and not least the amount of time one has to wait for the wretched thing to charge. I have better things to do with my life as it is and EV's are just another method of power and control over us by our brain dead politicians. Plus have said for a very long time now that they will hike the cost of charging when they get around to realise how much is being lost in fuel excise - but I suspect they already know and have planned for this to happen!!
The only sustainable way of doing EVs is to put L2 EVSEs everywhere people frequently stop for 60+ minutes so the only time anybody besides people who live on the road has to use fast-charging is road trips.
I've followed a few car related UA-camrs from time to time but your channel is easily the most relevant and interesting by a mile.
Fuel is subsidised. And it would be about 50% more expensive right now if there wasn't the option of EVs.
The oil barons don't like it when another new EV is sold.. That's a lot less business for them so they're keeping the price at the pumps low to keep selling inefficient cars selling..
Charging at home is insanely cheap BUT then you charge at a public charger and you’re right …..more expensive than petrol. But even the slower chargers are still around 47p/kw ! Government needs to sort this out. I love my Tesla best car I’ve owned I can’t go back to gas but cmon these public charge prices are nuts!!!
Any headline that incorporates the words Scary or Shocking I flush. 😮
Comparing chargers to household consumption makes no sense. Why not compare a factory or supermarket or business park? If the DNO can supply it then it is fine.
It also prevents the need for curtailment on wind turbines.
Demand based charging costs are coming, so it will be way more expensive at peak times, and £1kWh will seem cheap soon. Add on the taxes that will soon appear when we've all been forced into them, and watch the costs skyrocket. Many will just give up driving because of this, because they just can't afford it - which is exactly the point.
So, we're to drive around all day trying to charge the bastard. Using power to go nowhere, who has the time or the money to spend hours going nowhere, doing nothing? Looks like a great way to push private transportation out of the market.
Most homes in the UK can support EV charging points. That doesn't mean that better regulation of public charging isn't important though. Scottish government needs to cap prices on public charging, and improve the roll out of destination chargers in car parks and offices. Also worth noting that getting people out of cars and onto public transport must be the primary goal of any government. There will always be exceptions, such as disabilities, but there are too many cars on UK roads at the moment and the problem will get worse. Motorways are already like car parks in several parts of the UK. Highly inefficient, expensive to maintain, and terrible for both atmospheric pollution and co2 emissions.
Are you leading by example by using the bus service then?
They should have limited car ownership to those that had space to put them that doesn't cause traffic jams on the road. Living in an ancient market town, some roads are impassable due to twonks double parking.
As for c02 emissions, many important things are achieved using fossil fuel powered vehicles and equipment. Their pollution when you weigh it up is nothing compared to refrigerant for example.
10kg of R404A refrigerant is equivalent to 39.2 TONS of c02 or 275,000kms in a car or 916years of a 10w lightbulb. Quite mad really.
10 years I've been saying this was going to happen. Today, decided to get into the mobile charging business. Flat fee $300 - skip the queue at public chargers. A couple of hours of your life back for $300. Bargain! lo lol lol
Why don't they hurry up and organise limited slow public charging to properly charge E.Vs. It would be easy to organise e.g. based on supply & demand. They could come up with some "law" nonsense for electric vehicles only that ensures you confirm whether you intend to buy for private or public charging only use. Then you simply set a limit on how many electric cars are sold for public only use per area based on amount of installed / available slow chargers and a number of spare spots perhaps for visitors & guests. When a certain area has reached its available limit, you can no longer buy E.V.'s for public use in that town. Also you could add a simple rule of making sure the car is collected within 3-5 hours after completing its charge or face immediate impounding. Once cars to fit 200 or 300 charging slots are bought up they can go ahead and build another 300. That's a lot of basic "Slow Charge Infrastructure Issues" solved.
The price of the Charge Place Scotland chargers have shot up over the course of the last year despite no improvement in the reliability of the chargers. I intend to go to Skye in the summer however there appears to be very few working chargers in remote areas and long distances between chargers causing significant range anxiety.
Many a time I here the argument, use home charging.
Thank you for hammering this point, I like EV’s and I am not going to change that view.
What I crave for now, is a fairly priced, reliable and easy to access public charging platform.
Hoped by the time I joined this race, which is this month, I would be smiling, to be honest, I am not at the moment
Wonderful video
In California the new higher power rates + higher insurance + higher depreciation = car for the wealthy not the average dude
Agree with fast charging comments. However, one vehicle charging may receive the claimed 350kw but will be reduced as more vehicles connect to manage load on the grid. Of course, same charge will apply but charge time will be increased. Stick with ICE vehicles until forced to change!
In the UK it's quite simple really. If you don't have a private parking space with the possibility of installing a charger then don't buy an electric vehicle. If you can charge at home and don't drive more than about 50 miles from your home then buy whichever EV you want. If you expect to drive further from home than 50 miles on a regular basis then buy a Tesla. Unfortunately the cheapest Tesla costs £40k which is waaaay out of the reach of most people. A bit of good news is that it is likely that Tesla will open up their charging network to other EV's eventually as they have started to do in the US.
The grid is AC, EV's are DC. The sheer amount of transformers and grid capacity required for even 10% of the cars to be EV's will never be reached in most countries. And you can forget EV trucks and buses on any scale past about 5%.
And of course as more EV's are used/being charged, they will cause the price of electricity to rise for everybody per Supply and demand.
EV users don't deserve free electricity , no more than ICE owners deserve free gas. Nothing is free anyway , somebody has to pay for it. There is no free lunch and EV costs in total are far beyond ICE vehicles.
This is shocking, businesses ripping off the consumer, who would think this could happen. I live in Australia and thinking of buying an EV, I will be able to charge at home with a large roof top solar, so cost me next to nothing.
Even our rapid chargers are around 60c (31p) tops and there is lots of free charging as well. This is what happens all the time when the motorist gets something cheaper, these greedy companies soon jack up the prices until it's a waste of time. The government needs to step in and stop this scam, but sometimes they are part of the scam.
Look, at the moment most people buying an EV can charge at home, so it makes a lot of sense for city and suburban drivers to go EV.
Some operators will try to exploit the situation and try to charge more. These are temporary. Government needs to provide support for apartment complex, shopping malls and office parking lots to install level 1 and level 2 chargers. This is not at all a big deal. Level 1 chargers are basically like extension cords which needs to be installed at a parking space with some type of payment system. Level 1 chargers can be enabled after peak time in the night around 11 pm. It will take 6 to 8 hours to charge. Some Level 2 chargers can be installed which can charge the car in 3-4 hours. It can be in office lots, shopping malls and wherever you have excess solar power. These are inexpensive to build and government should help them. If this is done, most cars will be charged overnight and there will be less requirement for superchargers. Also, refining a gallon of oil requires 4 kWh of electricity, a Tesla Model 3 can drive 17 miles in 4 kWh. So an EV can get half the electricity it needs by not using petrol or diesel. If we convert the whole fleet into EV, it would require an additional 20% electricity. Lot of electricity is wasted due to less demand in certain times and struggle to get electricity during peak times. Studies have shown smooth out these issues and with utility level battery storage, this can be totally resolved.
Also, government must work on punishing these companies that inflate the rates for no reason. UK government pays £13.6 billion to fossil fuel companies for polluting the environment. Even for a year some portion of it is diverted to charging infrastructure, it will solve the problem permanently. If you install a level 2 or level 2 chargers, it works for many years or decades.
It just puzzles me why it is do expensive in UK compared to continental Europe, maybe overall electricity is more expensive in UK?
Its good to highlight the excessive rip of costs of these chargers. I think as we move over to EVs more pressure from the public will be put on these companies to reduce costs. Other countries its cheaper why not Scotland. Just correct your understanding of the high electricity demand from the grid to these high rate chargers. There is usually a cabin on site full of batteries that is being charged continuously and takes flattens out the high demand from the grid..thanks for your talks.onlyby complaints will the change to EVs improve
I can see why some people who only drive locally and can charge at home would by diesel but if you need to travel…. Yesterday I drove from Forres in N E Scotland to my home in West Wales, 560 miles in 11 hours with 3 pee breaks but no refuelling. An EV would have added hours to my journey and the cost…
So it cost me 11.8 p p mile in diesel. I filled up before leaving and after the 560 mile drive (and I wasn’t dawdling) I still have 220 miles of range left. EV’s won’t work for me and that’s without even considering cost to buy and insure and the depreciation, wow, horrendous 😮 Another great video, thank you.
If the technique were good : no tax payer funding necessary
wait and see once EV-owners have to pay the real total cost
Just a few facts. My 2023 mileage in an ID3.
16771 miles at cost of £574 which works out at 3.42p per mile. Average consumption 3.55m/kwh.
90% charging at home with 10% public charging mostly at Tesla's public superchargers.
Consumer demand and market forces will drive the new and used car market - not government mandates.
When I have EV's on review, I have to use public chargers and from memory I was charged 65p per KW. The last EV I had was hovering around 2.5kw per mile.
Forget the price per kWh. He hit the nail on the head. The fast chargers are drawing so much power from the grid to charge ONE EV. Multiply this out and you have grid overload. Run this further up the chain and you have generation capacity overload. Grid and generation capacity are not being planned for in the USA. Look at California as a bell weather. BTW: 70% of electric generation (in the USA) is STILL being done by Fossil Fuels.
Faster charger damages the batteries..shortens battery life...
Some blogs on YTube are so enthusiastic when they can report a public charger station being set up somewhere, especially if they have installed more than a dozen units. EV users are already finding that if the charge station is busy then the charge rate is shared out at a slower rate causing everybody to spend longer at the station. That's bad enough now but the network will be hopelessly overwhelmed if everybody is forced into an EV. We are going to need acres of these things eventually. Easter is almost upon us so longer journeys for EV owners could become a nightmare for some as it was last year. My mate who is an EV owner, is not bothered for his journey to Scotland as he will simply use his other ICE car!!!
With the Electroverse card you 8% discount. So today I only paid 61p per kwh and 7.1p at home.
It's scary how I'm seeing more and more EV Charging Stations being built in all the major Supermarket Car Parks I go to, yet there's been little in terms of increasing UK power generation.
Supermarkets are now removing them
Charge at work for free, it used to cost me £20 a week fuel, now 0, Saving £1000 ayear, charge at home granny charger stll saving. Dont use public chargers then eventually they will bring the price down
WE will all be waiting for the EV bus, while the 1 percent drive past in their classic petrol motor, courtesy of their own forestry plantation carbon "offset".
I was reading about fast chargers in the USA they quoted it costs over 200,000 dollars per chargers and has a life span of between 5 to 7 years depending on on how much they are used
Ev's are a disaster.whatever the government push,avoid 👍🏻
Diesel's..jabs...now ev's
You forgot to add that ALL EV manufactures actually advise AGAINST using faster chargers too often as it DAMAGES the Battery!!! Also so there's a few articles now popping up the EV chargers have been Cyber Hacked in the US...So you may want too have a look at them.
Neither of the EV manufacturers of my two cars advise against high power DC chargers (Fiat and Hyundai)
@@Lyndalewinder Bullshit.... it states it in the info on caring for the battery..
@@hudsonbear5038Not in mine pal
I remember when the ecotricity chargers were free… Call for more obvious pricing physically and online so consumers can make choices
The initial cheap charge thing was a real loss-leader. I run a 65 mpg self-driving hybrid, and it's a good compromise.
I'm investing in Coffee Shops to push pricey Lattes and Donuts to all the overweight EV "drivers" while they spend their day drinking coffee and munching carbohydrates.
You know what I said that to my wife, get a mobile burger van tow it to the EV chargers, could make a fortune. Obviously will pull the van with my lovely diesel 4x4. 😂
Great video
Does annoy me there are EV tariffs and they are much cheaper than general household tariffs. If octopus and the like can offer ev charging around 10p a Kwh why am i paying 25p odd
Also one full EV charge would run my house for a good 4 days at least
Because you’re only seeing one side. Some ev owners are better off not being on an ev tariff as 7.5p for 4-6 hours depending on the tariff, however the remaining hours are at 30-35p
Day rate is around 2p extra a Kwh on this EV tariff no much difference really
Night rate (23:30 - 05:30):
7.5p / kWh
Day rate (05:30 - 23:30):
29.96p / kWh
Is it even possible to distribute the electricity demanded by an adequate network of fast charging spots for EVs?
"Just wait until the government start to tax it...". They already are. VAT on home charge electricity is 5% but at a public charger it is 20%.
Wait till they are taxed per mile.
Question, are chargers fixed prices, i.e. if one is advertised as 250kW, is it a fixed price per kW regardless of what it actually delivers as I hear that some chargers being "strangled" by the grid not being able to cope? Just a thought !
This is why I'm waiting till we can all charge our EVs direct into a normal domestic electric socket without the need for a charging unit .
This should be available in around five years time , until then I will never buy an EV .
You can, the cars come with a 3 pin plug, it's just slow.
If you don't do a massive daily commute you can already use the 3pin plug charger, a 12 hour charge will give you 50-60 miles of driving which is enough for a lot of people. I'm not sure if they come included with all cars but some manufacturers definitely include one with the car and you can pick one up for less than the cost of a fixed wall charger. They are still quite bulky though as the cable is taking a fair few amps.
Your comment shows how ill-informed so many are in relation to EVs but still open their mouths to criticise. All EVs come with 3 pin plug chargers and whilst they are slow, (between 2.5% and 5% per hour of battery capacity) for many people that allows all the charging they need and also allows them to use cheap EV tariffs from Octopus and the like. In the meantime stop talking rubbish....
We've all been ripped off by energy companies in the past - why are you so surprised by this? Also whilst there is some evidence that fast charging has a slightly worse effect on battery life than low power charging, you would need to do many hundreds of thousands of miles for it to make a significant effect for a well-designed - say Tesla - type EV. Also what difference does it make if a high power dc charger uses the same power as thirty homes or whatever - are you suggesting that the homes don't have enough power when the chargers are being used? In summary, a load of exageration from you and I speak as someone who owns two EVs and has driven nothing else for three years!
Regulate it, just like electricity prices. All will want to bulid those.🤭
Won't be forcing me into one I'm a petrol head and I'm not changing
Dear voters, you decide if you want to carry on with this leftishgreenwokness madness. Vote conservative!
Scotland has more problems than chargers ,shariah law is being introduced in April 2024 by the SNP and hamza 😅
I think you should only be able to charge your battery car via wind or solar only. 😅
How many man hours are being wasted charging these things up
You dont waste time charging an EV - you go for a walk or have a meal or a brew or go to the loo or do some shopping etc. whilst its charging. Two weeks ago while we went shopping around IKEA our car fully charged. With an ICE car however you have to stand and hold the hose LOL - you got it the wrong way round pal!
The whole point of this video is counteracted by one simple fact that’s being ignored in this “fact based” video.
That is that 92% of EV charging is done at home.
And over 70% of people do have a driveway…. So not really fact based…
I wonder if these companies profit from the green levy we all have to pay?
Vast majority don’t have off street parking?? Nonsense 2/3rds of households have offstreet parking.
I stopped watching after that bollocks.
Fast chargers will become the norm, not as it benefits the user, moreover the cartel providers.