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Jordan Peterson DESTROYS Atheism in 1 Minute!
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2024
- Jordan Peterson was on Pints with Aquinas, where Matt Fradd asked him, "What's the best argument for atheism?" Dr. Peterson's response will leave atheists in tears!
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Whats a good argument for athiesim?
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The silliness of Genesis would be a logical argument.
@@Stephanopoulosaugustus How's that logical? He asked for a good argument FOR ATHEISM, not AGAINST JUDAISM.
@@Stephanopoulosaugustus that is not an argument FOR atheism. That is an argument against one interpretation of one religious story (many that believe in even the Christian God view this story as allegorical and not to be taken at literal face value).
@@Stephanopoulosaugustus you're such a buzz kill😂😂😂 I thought athiesim was the cool kids club. I guess you got rid of god with your sense of humor🤣🤣🤣
99% of the atheist arguments i've ever faced were: 1 - "I believe in science", which doesn't answer anything and it's not a mutually exclusive thing; 2 - "Many Christians do bad things", even though the bible itself says that will be the case and that does not prove anything; 3 - "you believe in talking snakes and donkeys", without realizing applying materialistic logic to something obviously not natural is dumb; 4 - my favorite ones, horribly misquoting bible verses by taking them completely out of context and botching their interpretation.
As a former atheist, getting into philosophy changed my mind, when i noticed how cheap and weak most of the arguments by the "four horsemen" were, how sterile materialism as an idea is, and how my 15 year old "skeptic" phase wasn't very rational and logically sound whatsoever.
I'm not sure you'll read this, but you were one of the first sparks in me changing my mind on all of this, David. Thank you!
Science answers lots of things. For example the phone you're typing on.
Did you think God gave that to you? 😂
Great response. Thanks.
Philosopher here. You are totally misguided, the vast majority of philosophers are atheists, because there's no evidence whatsoever, logical or empirical that there's a god. You can't even define what god is
that's very interesting, because learning philosophy has made my atheistic stance even stronger than when I merely deconstructed from Christianity and was merely an agnostic atheist. Now I'm a gnostic atheist towards abrahamic Gods and just skeptical towards non-supreme deities.
The rise of materialism and "rationalism" (actually just empiricism in disguise) has made people dumber. So many people nowadays are just incapable of grasping abstract or philosophical concepts that people even just a hundred years ago would have had no problem understanding. What's worse, these new "philosophers" think they're smart for "seeing through the bull crap" when they're really just too stupid to understand something that doesn't have a scientific paper written on it. The only philosophies they seem to engage with are the "edgy" ones like nihilism and absurdism, which are also probably the least complex philosophies out there. All they really say is "life is too wacky and complicated, I'm not even going to try and make sense of it."
I thought my computer froze!
I’ve got poor cell coverage here… I figured I was lagging again 😂
Only your brains froze. But they've been frozen for a long time, so you kinda aren't able to tell the difference.
Dawkins made a public claim that absolutely nothing could convince him of God's existence--and that if he saw the world fall apart and Jesus and His angels descending from the sky he would merely assume that he was having a delusional experience. That gives a whole new twist on "blind faith" and "holding your belief in spite of the evidence" that atheists are always accusing Christians of possessing, and a twist on how they themselves "need" there "NOT to be a god." Oh, the irony!
If you want a smart atheist Graham Oppy is good ....most of the popular ones are a bit limited when it comes to understanding the non physical realm in my view ....to say if you saw something you did not want to believe in and then claim your own hallucination might to be slightly unhinged.
@@tomgreene1843 There's a difference between a "hallucination"--which certainly can occur--and the witness of multiple people, particularly those who were willing to stake their life on verifying what they saw and experienced.
Funny, the lack of atheist comments on this particular post. They're rampant in this thread otherwise. It's amazing how quickly a "valid" position can crumble when the champion of science and reason admits that he's a fraud. How lost do you need to be to follow a scientist who'd ignore evidence because it supports a contrary belief to what he currently holds.
What if it were a technological highly advanced alien civilization that could change water to wine, walk on water, bring back the dead and heal the crippled and sick. Should science accept that as "God"? Of course not! It would have to be studied with scientific scrutiny to verify that claim. Otherwise, people would be bowing to a false god.
How can you easily throw all atheists in a pot and act like they're all the same. Lol.
"maybe im more smarter than i 'thunk' i was "
"Mabey ima more smarted than me thunk i is."
I evolved the statement! Evolution is real!
Hilarious 😂😂😂
Haha. Liked that too 😂
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Hahahaha 😂…
….ahhhh, thunking is fun ☺️
I don't buy your atheism!
I’m too rich to buy atheism…
Lol.. Im not sure if im imitating D wood or Peterson when i say " i dont buy your atheism"
You can't afford it because you can't deal with insecurity and uncertainty.
Love the believer but hate the belief...
@KasperKatje that doesn't even make any sense
Yes, I don't buy atheism either. I also don't buy the mythology of the ancient Hebrews. That's why I'm an agnostic.
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Catholics in Turkey? In what dimension of Terra you live in?
@@georgedevries3992Orthodoxy and Catholicism are not that different
@@cdlikecdrom Ik that. But apparently you didn't understand what I was trying to convey.
@@georgedevries3992 And nothing of value was lost.
@@wrongthinker843 What troubles you then?
atheism is the lack of a belief in one claim. You can't destroy someone saying "I'm not convinced of your claim"
Here’s the only sensible argument for atheism: “I don’t want to believe in God”
Or, how about how there isn't good evidence of a god existing
You know that you're purely projecting.
@@hydraph4843
As Atheist Nobel Prize winning physiologist George Wald, wrote candidly in 1954: “When it comes to the origin of life, we have only two possibilities as to how life arose. One is spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a supernatural creative act of God. There is no third possibility. … Spontaneous generation was scientifically disproved 100 years ago by Louis Pasteur, Spelazani, Reddy and others. That leads us scientifically to only one possible conclusion - that life arose as a supernatural creative act of God. … I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God. Therefore, I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution.”
As you can see, the reality is Atheism is also a belief system similar to any other religious systems.
Fortunately for us, most Nobel Prize winners in science is not prideful enough to deny this reality.
"A little knowledge makes men atheists; but a more thorough acquaintance with the sciences brings them back again to religion." (Francois Bacon a staunch Christian; father of empiricism, developed scientific method)
Albert Einstein said, "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."
In an estimate by Baruch Shalev, between 1901 and 2000, about 65.3% of Physics Nobel prize winners were either Christians or had a Christian background. (4.7% for atheist, agnostics, and freethinkers)
In an estimate by Baruch Shalev, between 1901 and 2000, about 72.5% of Chemistry Nobel prize winners were either Christians or had a Christian background. (7.1% for atheist, agnostics, and freethinkers)
In an estimate by Baruch Shalev, between 1901 and 2000, about 62% of Medicine Nobel prize winners were either Christians or had a Christian background. (8.9% for atheist, agnostics, and freethinkers)
Ernest Walton 1903 - 1995.
A devout Methodist, who said science was a way of knowing more about God. Winner of the Nobel Prize in Physics after he artificially split the atom and proved that E = mc2.
J. J. Thomson 1856 - 1940.
A practicing Anglican who prayed and read the Bible daily. Discovered the electron; invented one of the most powerful tools in analytical chemistry - the mass spectrometer;
Charles Babbage 1791 - 1871.
A Protestant devotee who devoted a chapter of his autobiography to a discussion of his faith. The father of the computer, invented the Analytical Engine, a Turing Complete computer in 1837 - the first general purpose computer.
Werner Heisenberg 1901 - 1976.
A Lutheran with deep Christian convictions. One of the primary creators of quantum mechanics. Formulated the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.
Humphry Davy 1778 - 1829.
Said that God’s design was revealed by chemical investigations. Discovered the electrical nature of chemical bonding. Used electricity to split several substances into their basic building blocks for the first time, discovering chlorine and iodine; produced the first ever samples of the elements barium, boron, calcium, magnesium, potassium, sodium, and strontium.
Other earlier scientists before 1900 who consider themselves committed Christians include:
Leonhard Euler (1707 - 1783) Published more mathematics than any other single mathematician in history, much of it brilliant and groundbreaking.
Michael Faraday (1791 - 1867) Discovered electromagnetic induction; discovered the first experimental link between light and magnetism
James Clerk Maxwell (1831 - 1879) Transformed our understanding of nature: his famous equations unified the forces of electricity and magnetism, indicating that light is an electromagnetic wave.
Gregor Mendel (1822 - 1884) Founded the science of genetics; identified many of the mathematical rules of heredity; identified recessive and dominant traits.
Bernhard Riemann (1826 - 1866) Transformed geometry providing the foundation of Einstein’s theory of general relativity; the Riemann hypothesis has become the most famous unresolved problem in mathematics.
Isaac Newton (1643 to 1727) spent more time on Bible study than math and physics. Profoundly changed our understanding of nature with his law of universal gravitation and his laws of motion; invented calculus;
Willard Gibbs (1839 - 1903) Invented vector analysis and founded the sciences of modern statistical mechanics and chemical thermodynamics.
John Dalton (1766 - 1844) Dalton’s Atomic Theory is the basis of chemistry; discovered Gay-Lussac’s Law relating temperature, volume, and pressure of gases; discovered the law of partial gas pressures.
Carl Friedrich Gauss (1777 - 1855) believed science revealed the immortal human soul and that there is complete unity between science and God. His profound contributions to the physical sciences include Gauss’s Law & Gauss’s Law for Magnetism.
Florence Nightingale (1820 - 1910) Transformed nursing into a respected profession; used statistics to analyze wider health outcomes; advocated sanitary reforms largely credited with adding 20 years to life expectancy between 1871 and 1935.
Alessandro Volta (1745 - 1827) Invented the electric battery; wrote the first electromotive series; isolated methane for the first time.
Blaise Pascal (1623 - 1662) Pascal’s wager justifies belief in God. Devised Pascal’s triangle for the binomial coefficients and co-founded probability theory. Invented the hydraulic press and the mechanical calculator.
Samuel Morse (1791 - 1872) Took part in the invention of a single-wire telegraph and patented it. Developed the Morse code.
William Thomson (also known as Lord Kelvin) (1824 - 1907) who Codified the first two laws of thermodynamics, deduced the absolute zero of temperature is -273.15 °C.
and many more..
Einstein said in correspondence, "the fanatical atheists...are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who-in their grudge against the traditional 'opium of the people'-cannot hear the music of the spheres."
Dr Arno Penzias(Nobel Prize-winning astrophysicist): “I invite you to examine the snapshot provided by half a century’s worth of astrophysical data and see what the pieces of the universe actually look like…In order to achieve consistency with our observations we must…assume not only creation of matter and energy out of nothing, but creation of space and time as well. The best data we have are exactly what I would have predicted had I nothing to go on but the five books of Moses, the Psalms, the Bible as a whole.”
Allan Rex Sandage (famous astronomer, dubbed the 'Grand Old Man of Cosmology' by the New York Times, and a former atheist): “It was my science that drove me to the conclusion that the world is much more complicated than can be explained by science. It was only through the supernatural that I could understand the mystery of existence.”
To seek God with all our heart is fundamental to God’s revealing himself to us (Jer. 29:13).
As the philosopher & famous pascal Blaise Pascal put it:
Willing to appear openly to those who seek Him with all their heart, and to be hidden from those who flee from Him with all their heart, He so regulates the knowledge of Himself that He has given signs of Himself, visible to those who seek Him, and not to those who seek Him not. There is enough light for those who only desire to see, and enough obscurity for those who have a contrary disposition.
@@cthulhucrews6602 hmmm...interesting argument...if we believe that God is as real as Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy....but since he's not...well...your argument is nullified...
@@hydraph4843 there is more evidence in this regard than the one that you exist, you know...
Even as a Christian, I find that the best argument for atheism is simply, "Well, where is he, then?"
As an atheist I appreciate the honestly.
He’s in heaven, biblically and metaphysically
@@eniolaelisery1503 how does that functionally differ from "he's in my imagination"?
@@eniolaelisery1503 to which an atheist would reply, where is heaven, why should I believe the bible, and metaphysically Krishna exists.
Jesus, Paul, Isiah, David and Moses all answer that in multiple ways. That is actually one of the worst arguments they have.
There are no gods. You can cope all you want.
No, if you say god exists, you must provide the evidence.
The best argument of atheism is there is no evidence for theism.
Weak and lazy response!
Moral argument for starters.
@@Godsambassador3
The logical and rational thinking. Who makes the claim, must provide evidence.
Atheism does not need to prove god doesn't exist, theism must prove god exists.
@@GuitarsRockForever is morality subjective or objective?
@@Godsambassador3
Subjective. You do not have objective. The goal of humanity is simply survive as long as possible. We do what ever is needed. Right now we want be nice to each other as it is in our best interest. Who knows if in future, things may go mad max (or even worse).
When the atheists started calling themselves "brights" in the early 2000s, I laughed at them.
Looking at how the online atheists elevate themselves is part of what drew me to Christianity. The smarter they tried to make themselves look, the dumber they looked to me.
Could you explain why? What's not so bright about them?
That's OK. We laugh at you too, with your talking donkeys and talking snakes and horrifying excuse for morality.
@@bjk8794 When someone tells you how 'bright' they are...
@@bjk8794 Don't bother. These are christians, so they don't debate honestly, they prefer to make up lies and claim they are the truth. They lie about everything, it's the only way to maintain their delusional faith. They'll just lie to you until you give up talking and then they'll think they've won.
Jordan Peterson is turning a young generation of atheists raised in a hedonistic and epicurean worldview into believers in the One True God, Our Lord Jesus Christ
"To the King Eternal, imortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory, forever and ever. Amen."
Be careful what you wish for.
He only believes in metaphores so he could convince some (but mostly Christians who believe he is a Christian) but...
He could convince many that the biblical stories and claims are metaphores but contain an important message.
@@KasperKatje yes, I acknowledge he's not quite a Christian yet, but he's been bringing to the youth something that for years had been pretty out of their reach. That's a good thing
@@mgvilaca There is a risk he will be missing 2 boats when Christians realize what he is really saying and declaring him a blasphemer and atheists or doubters who stop listening when he attacks atheism and starts about god and Jesus.
Time will tell, we will see where this leads to.
He might be turning them towards Islam.
You're treating it as a false dichotomy: atheism or Christianity. Really it's between atheism Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism, Zoroastrianism, Celtic paganism, Hellenic paganism, or any other of the thousands of religions both extant and extinct.
I don't pretend to know where JP is, but a lot of the movement is political, not spiritual. It's a reaction to the excesses of wokism. It's eventually going to end in a different type of brokenness. Christianity is about changing society one reformed sinner at a time, not reforming sinners by changing society.
How to show that you have absolutely no clue what atheism is in less than 10 seconds.
Considering how he calls Richard Dawkins fanboys like a cult, yeah (he could’ve just call then fanboys and I wouldn’t mind since well, Dawkins do have fanboys). Funny how some here straw man atheist arguments and then get mad when atheists (not saying they should) do the same or the whole group ish thinking not realising Christianity does the same thing (or any other major religion). The other thing I find hilarious is using Jordan Peterson to argue for Christianity because he’s just a dumb person idea of a smart person
How could a former atheist not know what an atheist is?
As an EX atheist, I am allowed to study anything you as an atheist are being forbidden by your religion to study, and there is simply nothing you can tell me about this cult, from the opression pyramid to the goal of genocide on christians. That's right - *surah 5:101-102* and *9:29* are as valid in atheist religion as it is in islame.
Atheists have a belief system which is a blank piece of paper, and to fill that paper, they go to their imams (the atheist dawah channels) and their prophets (richard Dorkins, vladimir lenin, Commie harris, mao zedong, Mad Pedolahunty) - in order to find out what they by necessity must believe.
@@joshd3502 When Atheist knows his own thoughts and why he is rejecting God, his eyes opens up.
Best examples are in question answer of Cross Examined program where an atheist were asked If I give you a book to read, would you read it?" He will say "NO" Why? Because he has decided not to believe in God!
Even Richard Donk es says, Even if I hear God talking to me from heaven, I will think it is hallucinations"
Dr. Wood is a convert from Atheism. He was a hardcore atheist, willing to commit crimes at one time to prove his own evolutionary superiority and lack of conscience. He knows what he's talking about.
Imagine that... a Christian echo chamber concludes that there are no good arguments for atheism 🙄
Personally, I think *the best argument for atheism* is that the various gods and goddesses that people have believed in throughout history, tend to be pretty inconsistent with scientific findings, and we don't really seem to require any deities to explain the various things that religious folk have depended on them to explain.
يسوع هو الملك و ملك الملوك❤
Amen ✝️ .
@@PaoloMilan keep spreading apologetics roadshow and acts 17 polemics on Facebook and twitter and Instagram and in your country and other countries but it is going to take years so take your time and be a messenger my friend
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امين 🙏🏻
I used to be hardcore Christopher Hitchens cultist. I even gave some Jehovah Witnesses a Hitchens books thinking i was a legendary logic master.
Thank god i grew out that ☦️
You should have read more than Hitchens.
So what kind of cultist are you now, and why?
There is no such thing as a "Christopher Hitchens cult". No one prays to or worships Hitchens. Classic projection. You KNOW you are in a cult so you just HAVE to accuse others of it.
What got you out of it?
A lot of his arguments are still good. Almost unanswerable, in fact.
i like your content.. but as an athiest, this one was very disapointing.
using the strawman argument and not even trying to present any of the arguments of atheists its not a good thing.
the lack of evidence, the problem of evil, the argument from inconsistent revelations, the rejection of concepts that cannot be falsified, and the argument from nonbelief, just to name some are arguments athiest talk about for years. if you never heard of them just google it.
i belive that we should look for the truth, seeing you tying to debunk them, or at least present them is not much to ask.
i also have to add that I have a lot of respect for believers in god, I think that insightful conversation is important for both sides to make sure we can live together as one.
I think even believers might be confusing this with the best EVIDENCE for atheism. In which that would be ridiculous. I agree that the God hypothesis requires evidence for it whereas atheists start from ground zero. As a Christian I find the genuine discussions between atheists and apologists very interesting.
“ The best argument for Atheism” is another form of “shifting the burden of truth”. Those that make the various claims of religions have the burden of proving them. Since most believers admit they cannot prove a god exists - then the logical conclusion is that their claims should not be accepted.
The majority of the world is real is religious, why does presupposition favor your idea instead of what the majority is? Not saying religious people shouldn’t have reasons, but why favor yourself?
@@chadparker5517 a basic life will not display any sign of a god, religion is a belief attached onto life. and therefore should be proven. it's like if I walked up to you and said you had to prove to me you weren't dancing at the moment just because everyone thought were, and you're stupid if you think I have to prove you are dancing first
@@Millticker what does a display of God look like to you in a person? Do you think God would be naturally occurring or do you think He would have to reveal himself? Would you even know what to look for if life displayed a sign of God?
@@chadparker5517 something impossible, otherwise it is not a fit sign of anything other than life.
So, like a man rising from the dead 3 days after being killed?
Don’t underestimate yourself David, you are one SUPER BRIGHT cookie.
I agree!!
That what I thought, too.
Haha. David knows he is top tier smart.
He has a really amazing testimony
David is indeed quite smart that's the reason i subbed to him in the first place. But this time he was quite condescending towards atheists. grouping them all together with the completely deplorable indivudualls dwelling on twitter and reddit. I agree they are a total POS but i don't feel like i do the things he described and i think most of us think the same.
Its all BS. Belief systems. The power of saying I dont know:
Why must we claim to have all the answers? Why is it a race to shut the door and move onto the next open one only to be closed as soon as we have "the answer"? Whether your athiest or religions the fact is we don't know a damn thing. Too many people claim to have the answer, the "true meaning" of words from a book. Never blindly listen to anyone, always question what you know.
The source of creation is throbbing within you but instead you choose to look outside to find it. This will not work, the road is endless. However once you turn inward its just one small step, one U turn to realize the potential of being Human.
Whether or not there is a heaven or a hell I am not concerned. The only thing I know is that I am experiencing this life right now. To not strive for a higher state of being in the this life is a wasted life. To at least not try to realize your true nature is a crime against life.
Are you a stoic? This sounds extremely similar to a piece one would take out of meditations.
@@ethancorsmeier1110 I am Human. It is time for us as a species to transcend the limited identifications of the mind.
You see all the things you identify with in life your gender, your country, your culture, skin color, sexual status, political thoughts, your religion, your thoughts; all of these things have nothing to do with life. One goal of my life is to strive for an experience where these identifications are no longer apart of my living experience.
There is a space beyond body, beyond mind, that is devoid of all identification. It is only when the mind is in charge of your experience that identifications arise and begin to mold the intellect. Over time these become stronger and stronger until you say "this is who I am". No all you are is a collection of things. Body is a collection of food. Mind is a collection of impressions. Its your identification with theses things that is causing the suffering. Existence is not suffering its just that in your current experience existence is suffering.
"I don't know but you're definitely wrong"
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Of course there are no good arguments for atheism. Atheism is not a claim. Atheism is simply: not being convinced by arguments for theism.
The new atheist movement of the early 2000s redefined atheism to equate it with agnosticism. Traditionally, atheism meant the belief that there is no god. However, when this belief was challenged, modern atheists changed the definition to avoid the negative connotations of agnosticism, clinging to the atheist label they had loudly proclaimed. This redefinition was seen by critics as an attempt to sidestep the burden of proof and maintain their social identity without fully confronting their beliefs.
May Jesus Christ the Son of God guide all non Christians to Christianity.
How about He guides them to Him….
Christianity is to “Him” if it’s not, it’s not Christianity.
May they come to the one true God and our one savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.
May the god of spaghetti monster guide all Christians into believing in the true God
@@larkiess And the God of the spaghetti Monster is Jesus Christ. For He is God above all gods. Lord above all Lords. King above all kings.
Nice try though 🤭
oh and Jesus loves you so much!
Yeah, I fell for the atheist stuff in the early 00s, but I grew out of it.
As an atheist good for you it's wrong to do something that if you're right almost nothing changes and if you're wrong...
@beLogicalPlease Which is why I never understood atheism. You can give your devotion to God but live your life the same as you are now (unless you're a terrible person then you will have to change that up) and save yourself from a terrible fate. If you believe in God and you're wrong then nothingness is all that waits, while if you're an atheist and wrong, then you have a good chance of experience pain that no one has ever experienced on this earth.
@@Boss-ot1iy look up Pascal's wager.
If you don't believe then you can't force that.
Going through the motions doesn't make you a true believer and will still end up of experience pain that no one has ever experienced on this earth as you put it.
@@Boss-ot1iyand if you're Christian and Allah is actually the real god, you are going to burn in hell lol
Zero's Iis all it has.
atheism doesn't require an argument.
exactly - it's just the rejection of the proposition that theism makes. And as there is no proof of a deity, it's the default position. What's the best argument for aunicornism or aleprechaunism? - it's the same principle. Everyone is an aunicornist because nobody has proved unicorns to exist.
It does if its trying to convince others, problem is you can't prove the non-existence of a thing so you can't prove God doesn't exist which creates a problem when Atheists try to argue that there is no God or mock people that do believe as they have no bases for their mockery. Basically atheists have to take it on faith that they are correct.
@@stephenschneekloth1535 no one is trying to convince you of anything. we haven't made any claim and we take nothing on faith. you are the ones who want us to believe in god. you aren't convincing.
@@stephenschneekloth1535 The only thing it's trying to convince you of is that there is insuffient evidence to warrant belief in the first place. But that approach isn't limited to (a)theism. There should be no belief if anything if there isn't good reason to warrant it. And as an atheist, I would suggest that 'good reason' should be based on having something that is demonstrable.
"I am axiomatically right" - not a cultist, totally
Best argument? That's a silly proposition, atheism doesn't require an argument.
You're either a theist or an atheist. If you don't believe in a god, you are an atheist, it actually that simple.
Atheism is not a belief; it is a lack of belief. This is what everyone gets wrong. I am an atheist and I have no desire to prove Christians, or Jews, or Muslims, or anybody else wrong. Believe what you want; I simply do not. There is no argument.
My thoughts as well. It strikes me that if theists are declaring there are no good arguments for atheism, this is more them trying to convince themselves than the atheists and any atheists arguing for atheism are also really just trying to convince themselves.
Both sides can be secure in their belief / nonbelief and it's only an issue for argument when you're trying to convince or push your view onto someone else or convince yourself.
AP remains the most impressive "atheist" that Ive found. He isnt arrogant or disrespectful which is very unusual among atheists.
I have usually found Alex O'Connor of Cosmic Skeptic to be much of the same style and temperament.
I have really come to appreciate Alex O'connor actually. Since he did his degree he has risen way above pretty much every other popular atheist youtuber.
But AP is still better.
Alex was my favorite atheist until he thought he should model himself after Christopher Hitchens. And frankly, he claims he studied theology but I don't see any of that in any of his takes on Christianity. He seems just as clueless as most other atheist channels when it comes to the Bible.
@@MrSeedi76 I haven't paid too much attention to his takes in Christianity it religion, but at least I appreciate his take on philosophy and the philosophical arguments for God etc.
His philosophical takes at least elevate him next to guys such as Rationality Rules (NOT) and Dillahunty.
You cleary havent met enough people then
I laughed so hard at the facial expressions! (and the jacket) Very good video.
It’s actually pretty simple, the best argument for Atheism is: “don’t believe anything without evidence”.
exactly what would be the evidence that would convince you?
@@lyntonblair9016 That's a good question. I honestly have a hard time finding a way to coincide Christianity with reality on so many levels, so picking a single thing that would convince me would be tough. I think it would have to be a series of provable discoveries that not only prove the existence of God, but also prove that said God is indeed the God of the bible, while also fixing some of the inconsistencies, at least what many perceive as inconsistencies, in the bible itself and between the bible and reality.
@@lyntonblair9016 god showing god's appearance to people and someone recording it 😂
@PDilling this probably wont convert you but i think it is something to think about. Verified by the Romans, jews and early church was the execution of the disciples and apostles, who all died and for the Jewish followers would have been hell for blasphemy for what they could have known to be a lie, also being offered by the Romans to declare the Roman emperor as lord instead of christ and deny the resurrection. Why would they die and also surely go to hell for a lie that they knew to be wrong?
Nope, that would be an argument for agnosticism. Atheism affirms a negative position, that God does not exist. Presumably they have evidence in favour of that position that satisfies them. But so do the theists. The agnostic is the one who is not satisfied by the evidence and so maintains a position of not knowing on the grounds of insufficient evidence.
Asking a christian for the best argument for atheism isn’t going to yield the best results. Maybe, instead of asking people who agree with you about something else you should ask people who believe something else or lack belief in your beliefs.
Sooooooo glad you're on our side Dr Wood
Based off his Why I Am a Christian testimony video, he’s really the last person anyone should be trying to deconvert back to atheism
@@meglukes exactamundo
I'm a registered psychopath and paranoid schizophrenic as well.
Last time I od on drugs I was shown hell!!!!
No lie brother
@@F0r3v3rT0m0rr0w he chooses the best, the meanest, the vilest, the most putrid, the mass murderers, the foulest, the scummiest, the bentest, he chose me!!!!!
@@F0r3v3rT0m0rr0w he's the most clever by a country bloody mile!!!!
The poorest of kids always look up to who has the most clever skills!!!! Because we have nothing else!!!!!
He is sooooooo clever!!!!!!
We serve the most original clever Lord!!!!!
Think of a lush jungle setting, and think of a stealthy ambush predictor, green upon green upon green, our Lord decides let's make it bright orange with black stripes!!!!
Who the F does that???
Our Lord!!!!!
Mic drop moment there!!!!!!
If this guy is one of your best representatives, I'm sorry.
David Wood is part comedian part apologist, and he brings both together perfectly.
And is not very good at either.
@@jameslay1489 you are not from his audience and we don't care about your opinion.
@@greenbird679 yet you cared enough to make a comment about my opinion.
@@jameslay1489You cared to watch David.
@@rosakutty2450 because I find it intellectually stimulating finding flaws in his arguments.
Crazy how D.w and J. P where atheist and now they can look back and see how dumb some of the things they believed were . People grow in wisdom through not there own understanding but with god . Thanks bro for the dope video
Why dumb? You can disagree with respect.
@@GeneralYen Because we do not have respect for people who believe that men can menstruate and give birth, neither do they earn that respect.
I just want to ask without being judged, if God is real why do animals and babies suffer?
If you truly want an answer to this question, it is available and many people have answered it, but it is not a short answer you can simply spell out in a UA-cam comment. It gets into some deep issues that involve your whole perspective on what is going on in the world. I would suggest searching Mike Winger videos as one possible source to address this question. He has done many well thought out presentations on difficult subjects. ***Warning - his videos tend to be lengthy.***
@@douglasattaway6330 Thanks a lot for the answer!
There's no way Peterson paused that long! 😂😂😂
Too funny!
I couldn't tell if it was edited or not.
Link to the original clip is in the description!
@@apologeticsroadshow hello! Time to take the fight to the next level!
*The Islam Paul paradox!*
Paul refutes the islambookgod in one way or another! Is Paul telling the truth or not! Was Paul real or not!
Because this islambookgod doesn't know what Paul taught = what Christians believe
@@apologeticsroadshow An example! *The Islam Paul paradox!* (The battle slogan is important)
Every Muslim grows up with the certainty that Christians believe God has a child!
But Paul never taught that Son of God means God has a child!
@@apologeticsroadshowCan you make a video on ,,Better Call George"? He is a self improvement UA-camr, but recently started talking about God and his experience with God. At first I was happy he was doing that, but quickly realized nothing about his explanations was biblical. He was preaching that all religions are true and that religions are scam. I asked him about it one time and he dodged it,insulted me and made a video about me called ,,fatherless people are unsavable". So there are many young people right now who will get deceived by him, can you make a video about it?
Have you thought he may have been praying for the right answer to give?
Atheists basically believe that if you leave a rock in a room for a long enough time, the rock will become a person
& they get REALLY ANGRY when you point it out to them.
not quite, but everything science has proven doesn't disprove the existence of god... just some beliefs about him.
So by "atheism" you mean "science".
More like leave nothing in a room for a long time and it will become a person
@@michaelbuick6995not specifically... You can try to frame it that way.
Let us start with the fact that there are no valid arguments for theism.
I like Andrew Wilson's take : Even if there is no God, no amount of logic in the universe would make secular humanism correct.
Divine hiddennes.the real reason for atheist? "We will not have God rule over us. We are going to build a perfect world without Him."
Y'all doing great! Move to Chicago and reap all that wonderful virtue!
The Dwemer tried that. And they disappeared. Do you want to disappear?
@@nisonatic
Not particularly disagreeing, but I consider Deism to be basically proto-atheism.
Richard Dawkins said that "... although atheism might have been _logically_ tenable before Darwin, Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist.” The point is that prior to Darwin, it was hard to justify atheism intellectually, so you sort of _had_ to acknowledge some basic view of God. Which made you a Deist.
@@PJRayment Deism isn't proto atheism at all, Darwin didn't make it possible to be atheist because the question of what started everything still exists. Evolution doesn't change that question
You can use basic logic to come to a conclusion of a singular all powerful God, the question is, is it a personal God or an impersonal God? These days I lean more and more towards Deism because it does seem the creator of this universe doesn't particularly care
That’s funny because Asian countries are far from Christianity and have some of the most moral and upstanding cultures compared you European cultures
Exactly!
jordan being 100% right again ♟️
Isn't he the same guy that get owned by matt ?
@@AlwaysBeSkeptic matt the donkey brain with the bad temper, him?
@@AlwaysBeSkeptic Matt Dillahunty?
@@AlwaysBeSkeptic Dodging Dillahunty? Probably not.
I know it's tempting for theists to view Jordan Peterson as being on their side, but Jordan has the strangest idea of god that I've ever heard. You probably agree that there's no good arguments for atheism, but I suspect that Jordan means something very different when he says that than anyone else who would make that claim.
What is the best argument for theism? You have a book written by ancient humans that wanted to control civilization? Yeah, nice.
I mean, you dont need to argue for atheism since its nott a claim but a statement.
Religions people say ther is a god and atheists say they dont belive the religious people. They are the ones making a statement mening the burden of proof is on them, not the person being critical of them.
If someone said look ther is a squirl over ther and the other said I dont see it. Would you demand they argue for nott seeing it?
The best argument for atheism is that the burden of proof is not on the atheist to prove his atheism....which is a terrible argument for atheism
Except that the burden of proof is on whoever is making the claim. So if the atheist makes a claim that there is no God, he _does_ have the burden of proof.
@@PJRayment
And: if the atheist doesn't make a claim that there is no God, he doesn't have the burden of proof.
And: if the atheist doesn't buy a claim that there is a God, he doesn't have the burden of proof.
No. It goes like this:
I believe in God. Do you believe in God?
No.
Simple as.
@@jamesnincrossthat’s not an argument
@@johnnybagofdoughnuts4193 I don't need to make an argument. You wouldn't expect me to make an argument against Krishna or Zeus. I just don't believe in them. Same as your God.
With due respect, I agree that there are some obnoxious prideful atheist characters (who have done well in special courses of logic and philosophy) but there are also obnoxious theists! Let's just stick to truth and respect each other's views without being obnoxious or condescending!
Thank you !!!!!!!!!!!
You forgot to mention, your truth. It's not a fact, therefore it is a belief. Which is why "your truth" would fit better.
Ah, yes. The 10% of us is definitely equivalent to 90% of you.
My brother is an atheist, and a little bit of satanist, his argument about believing in god is our life, his life is good, he is an engineer, have a career, have a girlfriend and true friends, who accepts him what he is, everything is good about him and he didn't need god at all, and unlike me, i living in a miserable life, working in a low paying job, no friends , struggling but still believe in god, and when something bad happens to the world , earthquake, storm, innocent hurt, and he sarcastic question me,"WHERE IS YOUR GOD?, DID HE ALLOWED IT TO HAPPENED?"
Why cant you bring in an actual atheist to answer that question? Youre both biased
Atheists usually insist that they are more moral than religious people, but in order for morality to exist you need a higher authority, and atgeists believe such an authority doesn't exist.
I believe you mean in order for 'objective' morality to exist...
@@tenmilesfm in order for any morality that isn't just personal opinion or social convention, in order for any morality that's actually worth something to exist, it requires a real authority as its source, and that's called Gd.
@@Lestibournes The idea that morality requires a divine authority assumes that without such authority, moral claims are merely subjective or culturally relative. However, moral philosophy provides tools to argue for objective ethics based on reason, consistency, and the consideration of human flourishing.
@@Lestibournesfun fact - the morality of the OT is often vastly different from the one in the NT.
Or do you stone your children if they disobey you?
I'm a Christian but the moral argument for God doesn't hold any water.
Jesus Himself completely redefined morality. Despite the fact that some of the commandments of the OT came directly from God. Still, we don't follow them anymore. So in what way is morality in the Bible objective?
In fact it's the opposite.
Jesus clearly says:
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Matthew:7:2
That means we decide what we hold against people. But I often see that evangelicals try to wiggle themselves out of this verse by mental gymnastics. Best example was IP (inspiring philosophy) who had an absolute horrible take on that verse because he doesn't understand Greek.
@@Lestibournes
All morality is subjective, especially Christian morality.
Laughing through the first minute and half😂🤣
No, the best argument is probably: the problem of evil.
The problem of evil is a billion times worse for pdf file atheist religion, because: According to atheist religion, there is no free will, and this means, that words like evil, sin, guilt, shame, even words like remorse and forgiveness do not exist ion atheist religion. Which means, it wasn't evil when mao did away with 70 million people, remember he _had no free will_ so he was forced to do what he did, it was not his doing then, and therefore he was innocent and it was not evil.
You can ask me about it :)
@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable ok man how is atheism a pedophile religion maybe youre thinking of Islam lol anyway as for free will it is a problem Ill give you that but if we define evil as intentional malice without good reason we can still have the word evil without free will
@Anti And... that is exactly the strawman theists put up.
Atheism = LACK of belief in god = I see no evidence of god, so I do not believe in god.
Agnosticism = UNSURE of belief in god = There may or may not be a god, I don't know.
Literally, its not antitheism, its A - Theism, or not a theist. Theist = believes in god, atheist = does not believe in god. Whether god actually exists or not is another question entirely. The question of theism is a question of belief.
@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppableNo words like guilt, shame, remorse and forgiveness do exist in an atheistic worldview.
And while you cant say that the actions of Mao were evil, you can still say that those actions were bad and harmfull.
And yes according to Atheism you are still be considert innocent after causing 70 million deaths, but according to christianity you are just as evil and deseriving of hell as mao when you just think about stealing a lollipop.
Jordan is atheist himself, it is plain obvious. But he is pandering to a specific audience and will therefore not admit it.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 I love you David. While people will be looking for Bible heroes in heaven, I will be looking for you because I am pretty sure we will never meet on this side of eternity. You made my day! ❤❤❤❤❤
“more smarter than I always thunk I was” 😂
Best argument for Atheism....Tom and Jerry cartoons.
They exist in cartoons with billions of fans(like God in every religion on Earth) but in reality they do not exist in flesh and blood.
99% of humans who ever existed in one or more God’s. They believed in a spiritual plane that is not always perceivable. The burden of proof is on the atheists to prove why everyone is wrong but them.
@@allikirman2183 HITCHENS,S RAZOR might sum it up.
Atheist here, I don’t see why I would have to have a reason or argument for being an atheist. There is no necessity for a god, there is no evidence of a god and there is nothing inherently good with religion so why would I be anything else than an atheist?
I do see that religion or beliefs in a god sometimes gives people good guidance in life or comfort when things are hard, and used like that, I don’t have a problem with other people’s beliefs. But I don’t feel a need for that.
Jordan Peterson is the same person who told sam harris that dumb people need their myths to be moral people.
To make fun of Harris 😂
And they do. Look at atheists. They are creating hedonistic cults left right and center.
you never disappoint.
hi tati ❤
@@chloe-historyandgames 🤗
My argument is that it's just so fucking obvious that religion was created by man. None of them can even agree on the same god FFS.
the best argument for atheism is simple: the fantastic claims of religion have never produced _any_ fantastic evidence.
Where is the fantastic evidence of atheism?
@@rvtalltales9327 do you need fantastic evidence to show that Zeus does _not_ exist? of course not. the person making the fantastic claim has the burden of producing the fantastic evidence.
@@onsenguyeven atheist scholars will tell you that the death of Christ is the most undisputed fact about the historical Jesus. They will also claim that the apostles had truly believed that they had seen something after the death of Jesus; the resurrected Jesus. The 11 remaining apostles and the more to come were all then persecuted, tortured, and faced great hardship for years on end until meeting their grueling demises. They died testifying to the truth they claimed to have been witnesses to. I believe that the testimony of the apostles (plus the others) and the evidence found outside the Bible itself generate an ample argument for the validity and authenticity of the scriptures.
Extraordinary claims do not always need extraordinary evidence. Take this for example: a picture of a galaxy. A galaxy in and of itself is incredibly complex yet the picture that shows us this is fairly simple and can be produced by technology people use on the daily.
I do believe that the extraordinary claims of the Bible do have some extraordinary evidence, however. I would recommend reading about Eucharist miracles and the science on the shroud of Turin, among many other things.
Have a nice day/night and God bless.
@@onsenguy You assume there's no fantastic thing that happened. So prove to us who believe in God that there's no such fantastic thing like the Gods resurrection and how God created the universe.
For a Christian, Jesus Christ rising from the grave IS the extraordinary evidence.
😂 that opening
😂😂😂 Great laughter to start the day. Thanks David 😁
the best argument for atheism is not being convinced of the arguments for Gods.
Not being convinved.
Thats what a - theism is.
A majority of the atheists will never believe God exists , for one simple reason? They'll never admit that people of the past, who they consider primitive and superstitious? Were the ones who were right! Their egos wouldn't allow it!
You mean the great apes that came before us and lived 200k years ago?
Well, do you believe the early Israelites were right when they believed many gods were real and El assigned Israel to Yahweh as 1 of his 70 sons? Do you believe the Canaanites were right? Or the Egyptians?
Why do you draw the line at Jesus?
So the people of the past who believed enslaving people, slaughtering babies, and many other things that we consider atrocities today... were right?
Unfortunately, you're absolutely correct.
Atheism feeds the narssisist in us, very much the same way it does for false prophets; who claim that they have a 'new' revolution from god, then make their every whim a 'revolution from god'.
People of the past believed in many gods, not in your singular celestial despot.
My Daughter came home from Ohio State U for the summer; I noticed she was reading “spirituality for an atheist”. My first thought was that’s an oxymoron . My second thought was how to strike up a conversation in an attempt to show her how intellectually absent this ideology is. This episode was a gift from above, I now know how to begin this conversation.
how'd it go?
It's not an oxymoron for many Buddhists. Only the believers of the Abrahamic God find it hard to understand, though spirituality is actually an absent Idea in original Christianism.
@@a6hiji7 Believers in the Abrahamic God are the problem period
@@a6hiji7
Have you never heard of "Devas" my friend? Shame.
what ideology?
I'm an atheist.
This Is the best argument i found for myself:
I just don't feel the need for it.
If I ask myself why did the universe came to be and consider the answer "god created it" I just don't feel rewarded by it.
It's a piece of information that I can't trust.
Some Christians talk about faith as a gift.
I don't have this gift.
I don't think i'm better or worse than anybody because I don't have this gift.
I'm very sorry that many atheists are judgemental toward believers, it's stupid, and they should stop.
But I don't want to be judged either.
I didn't choose to not have faith.
I just don't.
I pay my taxes like everybody else.
I try to live honestly and in harmony with everybody.
I will admit without any problem that my morality is probably very heavely influenced by christianity.
Unfortunately i just can't bring myself to believe the core story.
Am I a bad person for this?
Should I lie and just act as I believed that a god created everything for a jew to die on a cross?
Definitely does not come easy to some of us. And no you aren't a bad person or stupid. What is it that makes it hard for you to believe?
"I just don't feel the need for it."
Do you need creation to survive?
Romans 1:18-20, "The wrath of God is REVEALED from heaven against all the godlessness & wickedness of people, who SUPPRESS the TRUTH by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is PLAIN to them, because God has made it PLAIN to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-His eternal power & divine nature-have been CLEARLY seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are WITHOUT excuse."
Do you need logic?
Christianity is the most logically reasonable, cohesive, consistent explanation for actual, objective reality & real scientific findings, explaining origin (Genesis 1), meaning (ex.Isaiah 43:7), morality (ex.Exodus 20), destiny (ex.Hebrews 9:27), order, logic, reason, sense, beauty consistent from an orderly, logical, sensible, reasonable, beautiful God (1 Cor 14:33)
Do you need morals?
If anything is declared evil, it logically assumes good exists, necessitating moral law to differentiate good/evil, necessitating moral law giver (the triune God); there’s no meaningful morality from a godless worldview of an unguided/blind/pitiless/indifferent universe (R.Dawkins) born from chance/chaos/nothingness/unknown/stardust (C.Sagan/L.Krauss) where a rock in the road is as valuable as a person, made from the same theoretical primordial material.....
@@FindingGod365
I wouldn't say it's "hard", it's practically impossible.
It's like asking me to stop having heartbeats.
I don't have any control over It.
Either I'm convinced of an information or I'm not.
And if I'm not I don't even see the point in trying.
For example I don't know why and how the universe came into existence. I Just trust the science about the origin of the observable universe, and I'm consciouss that It Is incomplete.
But I'm happy to have incomplete trustworthy informations that do not answer everything and are the result of a process that I trust over having "something more" that comes in the form of a revelation.
That's the part I Just can't bring myself to accept: the revelation.
Everything I know and I trust I know because I or someone who I trust worked very hard to know.
The Key thing about a scientist Is that he must explain his methodology, he must let you inquire what he did.
That Is what makes It easy for me to trust scientific theories.
If some scientists go rogue and invent for example gender studies I can go see what the methodology Is and Attack the root of their so called "knowledge".
That Is the Key.
Even thou scientists are humans and often they are politically motivated or morally corrupted I can go see their methodology and understand if it's okay for me to accept their work.
I can use the work of literal nazis without being infected by their ideology, and I can reject the work of good people that are simply wrong, that Is how I want my knowledge to grow.
But I don't see any of that in religious doctrines, nothing can be tested indipendently, many things are tribalistic in nature, concepts like dogmas and revelations are very frequent and some times irrational believes are protected by the criminalization of blasphemy.
I don't want to offend anyone's believes but it's very clear to me that the idea of blasphemy itself often act as a protection against very fair criticism.
It Is extremely evident in Islam: you can't practically say anything bad against muhammad without committing blasphemy.
In Christianity the problem Is not as bad but Is still there as in any other religion.
I also deeply dislike the pope, and I find the Idea that the holy spirit choose Bergoglio to guide christianity insulting to christians (I'm from a catholic country).
My question Is "why Is all of this necessary?"
I don't think It Is.
We can get along together Just fine.
If God does exist I know what I will say to him the day I die.
I will just tell him "you didn't gave me the gift, and you know you didn't. I Just wanted to be honest with myself and if that's a good enough reason to be damned for eternity then ok, damn me for eternity, but that's clearly not Fair"
I see that people with Faith often live good healthy and Happy Life.
I just think I can do the same without believing in God.
I don't want to corrupt anybody.
By all means, please, keep believing, keep christianity alive, but don't force It on me.
I won't do anything, except speaking my mind and explain my personal feelings, that could move someone to atheism.
I also don't believe many people would be happy as atheists, but I know for a fact I wouldn't be happy as a believer, I wouldn't even be me, that person can't exist.
I was not happy when I lied to myself and went to church desperately trying to ignore the many questions and perplexities I had.
@@robmc120 do you honestly believe that I value a rock as much as a human being? Do you really think It would be impossible for me to argue as an atheist that a human has more value than a rock? Moral value comes from the origin of the material you're made of? Why? Who said so? Why should I accept such a strange predicament?
@@alessandropallotta9838 " do you honestly believe that I value a rock as much as a human being?"
If youre consistent with your atheism/agnosticism they have the same value from the same primordial origin, what gives man more value in your worldview?
Not knowing the answer doesn't mean there's an answer. A gap in logic doesn't mean fill the gap with ancient Jewish nonsense.
Great video! I was making some of the faces you were making! 😂😂😂
I'll come back later to see atheists regurgitating the same old cliched arguments! 🤟🏻💀
The same could be said of theists.
no you use the same regurgitated arguments and we respond to them. It's on you to find a new non awful argument for gods existance.
@@criticalthinker8007 Thank you for proving my point! Your name is as original as your old cliched argument! 🤟🏻💀
@@simonnorgren2911 Another one! How exciting! Did you read my comment? You see any arguments about the existence of God? No! You're just reacting to a comment! Just like I knew some of you will! You can't help it! That's why you are here! 🤟🏻💀
@@simonnorgren2911 I could try to prove His existence all day long, but I won't. Instead I'll say this: If I'm wrong and we just stop existing, oh well. If you're wrong and there is a loving but fearful God at the end of this life who will determine where you go for all of eternity, you go to Hell. There is no saying "woops my bad" at this point. It's only through Jesus that we are saved.
Another great video. I like seeing the tides shift.
it won't just be a tide. it will be a golden tsunami! 🌊
I like to see it shift too. But is it? Much as I respect Peterson, what he seems to be teaching is that the Bible has a lot of good teaching, not that it's actually true. So yes, he's shifting the tide, but perhaps toward another lie rather than the truth.
@@PJRaymentI'm also very careful about all these "luminaries" floating around on the internet. I like both Wood and Peterson very much, but they are not my ultimate guide for truth ... that's only Yeshua and the Bible.
Years ago, pre Rona and all that jazz, Petersons lectures about Genesis made me realize there is actually some cool stuff and wisdom in the Bible.
Which did heal some false ideas I had about the bible, and made it possible for quite a landslide conversion to take place.
Did dear Jordan have the whole Truth back then? Of course not. Perhaps I would not have listened to that Truth anyway. But his interpretation opened Genesis for me in a way I could understand back then, and it is not wrong! Gods word is deep in many, many different directions.
Fun fact, I tried reading his 12rules for life, and ironically had much trouble with his Genesis connections there, it put me off, even though i loved his Genesis vids... atheists are very inconsistent sometimes😆
@@MrsYasha1984
"Petersons lectures about Genesis made me realize there is actually some cool stuff and wisdom in the Bible."
That's great, but did it help you realise that Genesis is actual history?
The best argument for atheism is that everything was created from nothing including the argument itself.
The best argument is “who created god?”
By definition God is a creator of creation and not a creation. Uncreated. So by definition outside of the very concept of creation. Far cry from the best argument in atheism.@@winstonpeanutbutter
Wow so you just say he is uncreated and suddenly our argument is not good 😂? Is that how things work in bibleland? @@indexclone8130
@@indexclone8130So I'll just say: by definition the universe is uncreated, what now?
@@indexclone8130 but why would this be the right definition of god?
Q: Do you believe in Wuzul?
A: What is Wuzul?
Q2: What do you mean Wuzul is Wuzel. Do you believe in Wuzul?
A2: No.
Until you can define to me exactly what god is the only reasonable answer is no.
Now this just considers the belief in a thing, but in modern forms of epistemology there is no difference between belief and existence. In modern epistemology we use null hypothesis which are statements that are believed to be true up to the point they are disproved. There is a god is not a valid null hypothesis because it is a non falsifiable statement. This leaves us with there is no god as the only viable null hypothesis. It is perfectly reasonable to hold any null hypothesis up until the point it is disproved. There is no god has not been disproved.
Always in my prayers David! God bless you brother and your ministry! To God be All the Glory!
I don't need an argument to refute the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
given it's a satirical entity......I feel it's lost on you.
Classic reductionist moron
If presented with the question of whether to accept or reject the FSM as a (or the) god, we would either need to explain why we make the choice we do, or basically say, “I don’t know, or I don’t want to say”.
I think we can do better than that though. We can simply say there is literally no evidence for its existence.
The earliest testimony we have of it, in the form of an open letter, is much more plausibly explained by the hypothesis that the writer of the letter was writing a satirical fiction in order to try and make a case against teaching young-earth creationism in schools.
In the absence of any evidence, it makes more sense to follow a more plausible worldview instead.
@@cthulhucrews6602 FSM is satire...again, I don't think you know the actual backstory of the FSM
@@cthulhucrews6602The fact you even asked that shows how little you know about Gods. Jews believe in God because thousands of them heard his voice at once. Christians believe in God because of Jesus, who all athiest scholars admit existed, died, and thousands saw him alive again. I suggest reading up on things before you are against it. It's silly to hare something when you can't even tell the difference between a meme and a real historical person.
*"I don't think there's a good argument for atheism."*
I agree 1000%.
But I've been watching David Wood's videos for nine years and haven't seen a good argument for God, either.
Creation itself is a good argument for “God”, whatever form the creator of humans, and the living world takes, a creator is the only possibility if you believe humans and the living world came about by some sort of spontaneous combustion, your an idiot, if I told you a car was the result of a particle explosion, you’d say I was an idiot, the human body is much more complex than a car, so there is obviously a creator, what form that creator takes is what is unclear.
@@ladidaohoh3168 imagine literally believing in cosmic santa claus and calling someone an idiot for not doing the same because there's things we don't understand
Oh wait you don't have to imagine, you self-righteous degenerate
@@ladidaohoh3168 Blimey, what an incredibly fallacious comment…
@@ladidaohoh3168 Technically, we've never actually witnessed anything being "created", we've only seen preexisting matter and energy changing form. For all we know, the universe and all the matter within it may always have existed in some form or another. In that case, no creator would be necessary. Even if the universe was created somehow, it still seems like a massive leap of faith to conclude that the only possible explanation is some sort of intelligent supernatural being.
@@yee2631 I’m sorry it has always boggled my mind, how someone can imagine that every structure, every invention, every item we use in our society has a creator, some of those creators are even revered as important historical figures. Yet the most complex things in our world, just happened by some magic accident, to me it’s obvious there is a creator that created humans, I’m just not sure what that creator intended or wanted for us, or from us. If you witnessed a house building, you’ve witnessed creation, it’s everywhere in our material world.
One could say that atheism does not need an argument. The charge of the proof goes to whoever claims something. You claim god exists ? Prove it.
The best argument for atheism is that there isn't enough evidence
I wonder where this school educated redditor idea that "everything needs proof" really came from, not everything needs tangible proof, God's existence can be explained philosophically and logically.
I have to agree, there is not nearly enough evidence for atheism to be true.
@@worldcorpenterprisesarchivewrong on both counts, you need a lack of logic to believe in something that doesn’t have proof and god lacks philosophical ideas
@@worldcorpenterprisesarchive No, everything has tangible evidence, so where is yours? I can say that I'm God, and philosophically, you can argue against me, but you can't say otherwise, so that gets us nowhere. And logic comes from tangible proofs, so you're contradicting yourself.
@@Cpnpd922 You don't need evidence for atheism-It's not a belief. We ask for evidence for God and then disprove that “evidence.” You can't prove or disprove God because he doesn't exist in our world, but we can determine that believing in him is irrational.
Had to watch it twice. Hilarious and intellectually stimulating at the same time.
Honestly as an atheist I was quite shocked by the level of disrespect. When will both sides at least try to see each other point without mocking them, and wrongfully, besides??
@@GeneralYen the atheists that Dr. Wood typically engages with do not offer the same respect, so I have no problem with parodying them. I personally don't really agree with Jordan Peterson here. You could see that Pints with Aquinas was having trouble following and he's a staunch Catholic. Atheism is a secular religion where evidence doesn't actually matter no matter how much they claim it does. That level of irrationality is hard to take seriously, though I realize most atheists come by their atheism honestly.
Too many ad hominems. On both sides.
If you get to the root of why someone is an 'Atheist', you'll find it's because they have an issue with God, not that they don't believe. "There are no atheists in foxholes", as the saying goes.
God is your fairy tale. I reject it. How simple can it be stated?
Love your humor ❤😂 greetings from Bulgaria 🇧🇬 God bless you, David!
David I started following you right after the Twin Towers fell I think it's been almost 23 years you are still saving people buy your videos and voice thank you so much for all you've done for people David and May our Lord bless you
Was there UA-cam by the time the twin towers fell?
How is that possible? If you cannot explain it, I think you need to go to a psychiatric doctor.
@@user-po8ii4tl2j UA-cam came 1/2 decade after 9/11. But David Wood had a website with written content.
@@user-po8ii4tl2j Why do you think youtube only? He used to have shows on TV. I have seen some of his old clips from TV shows discussing is lam.
@@greenbird679 Oh, I didn't know that! Thanks for pointing that out. I 'met' him on UA-cam and didn't realise he already had a TV show.
Lack of any convincing argument for theism is enough for me. I don't have to prove anything, lack of religious beliefs is a natural state for me. It's theists who came up with a wild claim: "There is a god". Do they have any irrefutable proof for that claim? I haven't heard of any. Therefore, I don't see any reason to join the club, even if it has some undeniable benefits ;)
listening to peterson is painful. he should do everyone a favor and never appear in the public again
First time I’ve seen David “floored”. He wins an Oscar in my book.
Your editing in this one is so good, the comedic timing of Jordan thinking of an answer is so good 😂
God exists? Ok. I say that Santa Claus exists. Can anyone prove that Santa Claus does not exist?
It's the most wicked argument, the worst of the arguments against theism. The evidence of God is that the world we live in is ordered and designed. How do we now that? Well, because we as human beings create things, we can compare the way that we create with the way our world exists, and we can find out that the things that are happening in our lives accidentally, they can't be perfect, yet the laws by which nature is ruled are perfect. Even we as humans can't create something that will work perfectly. So, the evidence of God is that our world does have order and design, and if it's ordered and designed, then there must be someone who ordered it and designed it.
@@christian-lyrics180lol apples and oranges.
@@christian-lyrics180um no actually we live in a simulation and a super developed ai created our world which is the reason it is as perfect as it is! Prove me wrong !!
Funny how they do not ask atheists for arguments they just make it up for themselfs. Full delu mode.
"Atheism is an illegal chess move". As an atheist, I feel completely DESTROYED by this argument.
@@theconfusedoromo5361 maybe your thinking is nonsense.
@@theconfusedoromo5361 what led you to conclude that it's nonsense?
@@user-bl7bt4tk7pThere are atheists who have huge egos. When they cannot make sense of things, they won't consider the fact that it can be because they are not smart enough to understand it.
lol. the paths of truth and legality don't always (or often) run parallel. atheism had to be declared "illegal," because it can't be disproven.
@theconfusedoromo5361 The Biblical nonsense about Jesus, who everyone including athiests agree died, and was then seen again alive by thousands of people? I do believe in proof. I believe Jesus.
The best argument for atheism is the fact that God allowed atheism to exist.
Think about it.
That is actually proof that our Hindu Ideology of Kali Yuga!
You're kinda following the argument of Allah can't do anything because of St. Paul...
Is St. Paul stronger than Allah?
@@RaiosSephi Since Allah is Mohamhead's puppet and St. Paul is stronger than Mohamhead, then yes, St. Paul is stronger than Allah! 🤟🏻💀
God allow atheists to exist because he never makes good mechanism to all people to became sure that god exists with different intelligent and idea and way of thinking just like your exiting and the arguments against meterlism is basically we don't know how in logical or science manner where this came from (possibly because we don't have enough knowledge in some attributes of the matters) therefore god exists.
I thought about it and nah..God gave us free will to believe whatever we want
The best argument for atheism is religion
@@TboneWTF Why am I atheist ? Look at religion, why would you even need to ask ?
@@alpharoo4251 Yes. I agree.
You will have to explain your stance here, because at the surface level, that seems like utter nonsense. I mean, it really feels the same as saying that the best argument for a spherical Earth is flat Earthers. Other people making bad arguments doesn't provide evidence for your stance.
@@ikeillue8385 It's not my stance
@@ikeillue8385 I accept the possibility of a creator. I don't accept the possibility of a creator as described by religion.
I don't accept that religion is anything but a political manipulation and atheism is more often a reaction to that.
I don't really mean political in the democratic sense.
Why are apologists such as yourself so desperate to misrepresent others? Could it be that nagging sense of doubt about some of that nonsense you believe in? But hey, Mr word salad agreed.
It’s funny. Flat earthers, atheists, and Democrats all debate the same way.
You realise the vast majority of flat earthers are theists.
Not even close.
I have researched about flat earth objectively and I have seen very logical arguments and interesting experiments.
The fact that a random flat earther may say something nonsensical, doesn't mean everyone have bad arguments.
And vegans too
Don't forget the Trump is Saviour Magas. Just as bad. Just as bad.
@@nicanorfredricksbirdrealm228
LoL. There is zero good arguments against veganism.
I can destroy anyone in a debate.
The main thing I've learned from watching videos of David about atheists is that he is really bothered when they say "sky daddy"
He isn't bothered. He finds it laughable that they view themselves as intellectually superior while using hyperbolic and prejorative language. When they fail to make a sound argument, they resort to their, go-to, old faihtful "sky daddy" to admit they have nothing intelligent to say.
@@aaronharlow2137Agreed. Sky Daddy is hilarious on its own imo and also used in a hilariously intellectually dishonest way.
I've always seen god as just a projection of the believer's ego, and as such it always conveniently embodies all the believers hopes and fears, a psychological construct that the theist 'feels' he needs to believe in to make his life significant. Belief in god is a theist's way of playing god, you theists want to be god and that's all that drives your delusions.
@@rozzgrey801 Wow, the irony. See, I've always seen Atheism as a refusal to accept a being of higher authority than they are, an easy way out of taking accountability for their actions. Disbelief in God is a way of playing God. You can see this when they repeatedly claim to be more moal than God. They claim their own worldview to be superior to that of God, who is infinitely smarter and wiser than they are. They are arrogant enough to claim "God, who knows everything, doesn't do what I would do, therefore must not exist." They make their own morals. They construct their own worldviews, and call things they cannot see "delusions." They worship themselves. And If that's not the ultimate ego boost, I don't know what is.
@@rozzgrey801OK bro. No. I believe in God because I believe in the proof of Jesus, the proof the universe had a beginning and thus had to have a beginner (because physics), and the scientific belief that disorder cannot breed order. It would take faith for me to believe all that science and history is wrong. Jesus is who he is. I can't and won't change him. Perhaps you should stop projecting and spend some time truly reading about him.
I'm a believer, but I think the best argument for atheism is the notion that one shouldn't believe anything at all without proof. I don't find it compelling, but it's not crazy.
It’s definitely not crazy, but people need to ask themselves what proof really is. For most it’s just about accepting an official word on a topic from people who have vested interests… however if you ever keep digging into any topic, like a scientific paper for example, it starts off sound but then often relies on unproven theories as a basis, and then if you continue to dig deeper the answer is always ‘because we don’t really know how this works but this is the best we’ve got’.
Meanwhile, when it comes to the bible as proof, the more I understand the more I keep seeing the word reflected in the world around me, my experiences, choices and every other aspect of life. It’s rare to find an aspect of the bible that isn’t reinforced by this reality, and when I do I often find it’s my perception and understanding that has been wrong. That’s proof to me.
@@Worldfire_Interactive That's fair! For me, I realized that I *needed* Jesus to be real and there for me. So it was what they call a "leap of faith". Side-note... even when I was an atheist I didn't like a lot of the "no proof" arguments, because such arguments were more like "no proof except for gathered eyewitness evidence from the Bible" arguments, heh.
@@hoi-polloi1863 I love it! I was too much of a coward to take the leap of faith so boldly, but Jesus was patient with me.
@@hoi-polloi1863 eyewitness is no sort of proof. I saw you kill a man a month ago, can you prove I didn't? well then you killed a man
Not in this video he doesn't. He sure does a number on those strawmen though.
Being a theist or atheist is basically the mirror image of each other.
The truth is that nobody knows if there is a point to life or not, and that is very scary to a lot of people who need something to keep on going.
The truth is that a lot of people do know. The others just don't listen or think they know it better.
You can know, you just have to humble yourself first.
@@MrSeedi76
So what group are you talking about?
The Muslims, the Hindus's, The Christians, the Jews, the Buddhists or maybe the Taoism or Shinto people?
And what makes that group more right than the other ones?
@@joshuaparsons887 sure, good luck telling yourself that.
@@robforge7667 how do you justify the metaphysical preconditions for knowledge claims without God?
The best argument for atheism is divine hiddenness in my view.
The divine is not completely hidden, just not super obvious.
If you think just a bit harder , you can clearly see:
All civilizations believed and interacted with the spiritual world. Psychedelics transfer your conscience directly to the spiritual world, the same with near death experiences.
When you take the God out of a society, immediately people just start to believe in spirits, or ghosts or dead relatives communicating.
It's ingrained deep in us to search for the spiritual. Everyone does it, from stupid to smart to genius.
God is also evident in the creation. You can see some animals doing 200km just to go to a beach and have their eggs to that specific beach. This is unexplainable behavior.
It's clear there is a creator. People just get conditioned to think the divine is hidden. God is obvious if you take a second look.
Could he be more obvious? Of course, and throughout history he was. With Moses he split the sea and did so many miracles. What happens a few generations later? People don't believe these things happened.
So God would have to be making a continuous miracle everyday, and even then people would just say this is part of reality and not God.
I think divine hiddeness makes perfect sense within a Christian paradigm. Men are fallen and have become blind to the presence of God, but this presence becomes visible again through the path established by Christ. The more your ego decreases, the clearer God becomes.
The concealment of God has thrown people off, but the revealment of him has also, Isaiah 49:2 and psalm 98:1-2.
God has knowledge and discretion , and by his discretion, has given Knowledge.
Most testimony in the bible was that, the word came to them, and spake. That the observation of the author, and the reader, is blended by the Craftsmanship of the uses of words.
Its not an argument FOR atheism, its argument "against" God.
The question is more; why should i be atheist?
I see 0 argument in favor of atheism
A bit disappointing, David Wood is usually far better than this.
The best argument for Atheism, is that there is no evidence for any god.. that's all there is to it. If you can provide some I'll happily concede....
It really is an ego boost that makes an individual the arbiter of truth. "If I don't see it, it didn't happen. Those who claim to have seen it are liars, delusional and or deceived."
People claim to see Shiva or Rama all the time.
One of the most remarkable things about apologists is how totally they forget about the reasoning they employ to reject other religions when it comes to defending theirs.
@@cthulhucrews6602 Hardly, but I don't presume it is false before I evaluate it
No, but people have no reason to believe it did happen without evidence.
People can be skeptical of such claims
@@MrCmon113 I don't doubt they experience something. The question is does it align with anything reported in history. The Christian message isn't just visions, but things they experienced in real life - miracles, a risen savior, things Jesus taught. There are visions, but not just visions.
Hinduism doesn't have any historical support.
Same with Islam. Islam has a history, but nothing the Quran claims can be validated. The huge iron and copper wall bridging two mountains can't be found. The stones (hardened clay - essentially pottery) that pelted the people of the elephant can't be found. Neither can any archaeology that supports Mecca being as old as Abraham. It is missing.
In contrast, we have a clay tablet found in Babylon that speaks of King Jehoachin of Judah. It has ties to history.
@@hydraph4843 Skeptical is fine. Cynical to the point you deny everything is irrational.
What qualifies as evidence? Do you need everything have a hard, physical form to believe? Do you have to experience everything yourself to believe? Have you experienced everything you believe? Are there exceptions to your experience that did happen?
Consider your priors.
The best argument for Atheism is the one they make all the time : emotionalism.
Or the argument from how you feel about god
Appeal to ppl emotions and use their ignorance to do it..by saying god is evil if
[Insert statement based on ignorance here]
Or say
You need a god to tell you whats right from wrong?
I think they appeal to emotions so much because emotions can override logic and reason if the emotion is strong enough..
Or, it's because we're a social species, and so empathy and compassion is pretty important for the functioning of social groups we live in.
Also, Christians appeal to emotions A LOT. For example, pascal's wager is literally just appealing to peoples' fear of death
I'm simply one who realizes on evidence. No evidence has been provided as of yet for any deity, and no holy book I've ever read doesn't have massive contradictions contained therein or have massive conflicts with scientific discoveries.
It's simple, really. If I am to take the bible for example at literal face value then I will not be able to trust it because of the Speed of Light disproving a literal reading of the agecof the Earth. Then there is the problem of the global flood, Lot's wife, and the fall of Babylon. Throwing in contradictions of the birth and childhood of Yeshua bar Yusuf, makes the Bible an untrustworthy witness if I were to compare it to a living human.