nah bro there is just NO WAY you are telling people to build nashors rift this build has been so dead for the past like 10 patches everytime i go it im healing the enemy team
What do you think about completely skipping Riftmaker? What I've been doing is Nashor > Rabadon > Shadowflame or Nashor > Shadowflame > Rabadon. I feel like Riftmaker is not strong enough to justify prioritizing it over those other 3 items.
that buuild will let u oneshot anyone however just know that if ur caught out in a bad position once ur getting bursted down in seconds, the build is only good if u have good positioning since ur so weak to lockdown and burst cuz no survivability however u do get the most damage out of that build
Tell me if I'm wrong : 1) If you want to go Rift+Nashor, you always start by Rift first right ? It feels more natural, build path is better, you can play around your cd instead of needing to all-in with autos, it's both good offensively and defensively so it adapts to whatever matchup you are facing (and it doesn't get countered by jax/shen/CCs). And more often than not, you won't approach towers before your second item (so you don't miss out on Nashor's AS). I would only build Nashor first if I get an early firstblood (snowball) or want to skip on Rift. 2) With Rift+Nashor, you lean towards a front-to-back playstyle where as Nashor+Shadowflame (no rift) is for an assassin/burst playstyle. Rift makes you less threatening (less explosivity) but also more reliable (you are both less dependent on your R and have it more often cause more AH + added survivability if caught). Both are good in skirmish/split push situations. Therefor, having rift is safer (good for low elo) and if backline is not diveable while skipping it is good if you are "skilled" enough to pilot it and when ahead OR you wanna avoid frontlining. 3) Building Rift+Nashor then Shadowflame for me feels like becoming a jack of all trades master of none (gaining that assassin aspect), whereas getting a rabadon instead amplifies your current Brawl x Skirmish playstyle. I know this probably sounds too theoritical but I don't believe in shadowflame being the answer if there are more than one enemy susceptible to building MR. Cause one, having a tad of flat m-pen is not very impactfull (you don't have sorcs to go with it), and two, if they start to build MR, you will go void fourth and push back rabadon even further which isn't great. And because of how tanky builds are getting trendy (look at tank jayce), there might be less and less opportunity to get value from shadowflame+void over a raba+void. Sorry for the essay, would love to hear your opinion ! thx
I don't know it feels so weird to build shadow flame 3rd, to me rabaddon was always the best item I could get since everything on her kit has crazy ap scaling. But the thing is when I go shadow flame 2nd I miss riftmaker and when I go riftmaker I feel my lack of damage and in almost every case my solution is rabaddon 3rd (unless they have shit tone of mr i have to build mpen, yea it hurts)
is there a specific reason why you don't build Sorcerer's shoes or it's just a personal opinion? and what build do you recommend for building Sorcerer's Shoes?
is there a time lich bane would be better than nashors in the jungle since if your playing an assassin flank style. (since nashors is much better for dueling potential for top) Also would you ever build banshee's veil?
I always build full AP with Lichbane when I play jungle Gwen. Also, a lot of the time when they're all squishy, I'll go full AP Toplane. Only champ I buy banshee's against is poppy lmfao
id honestly say that rift maker is a low elo item cuz its alot more forgiving then nashors as u dont get bursted down as hard with bad postioning which is why i prefer it alot in my bronze games lol
Doesn’t Rabadons (or even Void) 3rd just mathematically do more damage than shadowflame 3rd, especially in a 1 vs 1? The only 2 ways I see shadowflame value is if A- the opponent/s are already chunked out to below 50% hp (requires someone else to do that-if you’re 100-0ing them rabadons will just do it faster), or B- faster item spike due to being cheaper + enemy building 0 MR (even then usually you’d want to have gwen into tanks anyway- but it is solo q and we are one tricks).
nah bro there is just NO WAY you are telling people to build nashors rift this build has been so dead for the past like 10 patches everytime i go it im healing the enemy team
It's op truuuuust :D just gotta use shadow third
What the fuck first 2 items u build then?😭😭😭😭
What do you think about completely skipping Riftmaker? What I've been doing is Nashor > Rabadon > Shadowflame or Nashor > Shadowflame > Rabadon. I feel like Riftmaker is not strong enough to justify prioritizing it over those other 3 items.
that buuild will let u oneshot anyone however just know that if ur caught out in a bad position once ur getting bursted down in seconds, the build is only good if u have good positioning since ur so weak to lockdown and burst cuz no survivability however u do get the most damage out of that build
@hudsoncarvalho679 imo rift is a great all around item, but I'll drop it when the enemy team is squishy
@@pwpmaskedshadow2318 couldn't have said it better
Tell me if I'm wrong :
1) If you want to go Rift+Nashor, you always start by Rift first right ? It feels more natural, build path is better, you can play around your cd instead of needing to all-in with autos, it's both good offensively and defensively so it adapts to whatever matchup you are facing (and it doesn't get countered by jax/shen/CCs). And more often than not, you won't approach towers before your second item (so you don't miss out on Nashor's AS). I would only build Nashor first if I get an early firstblood (snowball) or want to skip on Rift.
2) With Rift+Nashor, you lean towards a front-to-back playstyle where as Nashor+Shadowflame (no rift) is for an assassin/burst playstyle. Rift makes you less threatening (less explosivity) but also more reliable (you are both less dependent on your R and have it more often cause more AH + added survivability if caught). Both are good in skirmish/split push situations. Therefor, having rift is safer (good for low elo) and if backline is not diveable while skipping it is good if you are "skilled" enough to pilot it and when ahead OR you wanna avoid frontlining.
3) Building Rift+Nashor then Shadowflame for me feels like becoming a jack of all trades master of none (gaining that assassin aspect), whereas getting a rabadon instead amplifies your current Brawl x Skirmish playstyle. I know this probably sounds too theoritical but I don't believe in shadowflame being the answer if there are more than one enemy susceptible to building MR. Cause one, having a tad of flat m-pen is not very impactfull (you don't have sorcs to go with it), and two, if they start to build MR, you will go void fourth and push back rabadon even further which isn't great. And because of how tanky builds are getting trendy (look at tank jayce), there might be less and less opportunity to get value from shadowflame+void over a raba+void.
Sorry for the essay, would love to hear your opinion ! thx
You have the right general ideas, but I wouldn't agree with a lot of the minutia
Thoughts on Diana jungle with Nashor Rift? What about hourglass?
Drew... my friend, i am unsure the current state of nashors rift diana :D best of luck though! its a great build
I don't know it feels so weird to build shadow flame 3rd, to me rabaddon was always the best item I could get since everything on her kit has crazy ap scaling. But the thing is when I go shadow flame 2nd I miss riftmaker and when I go riftmaker I feel my lack of damage and in almost every case my solution is rabaddon 3rd (unless they have shit tone of mr i have to build mpen, yea it hurts)
what if you need a situational item like heal cut, zhonyas, or banshees?
I've never really liked any of the "situational" items.
The only one I ever buy is banshees, and that's only when I'm facing a poppy.
is there a specific reason why you don't build Sorcerer's shoes or it's just a personal opinion? and what build do you recommend for building Sorcerer's Shoes?
Sorcs are best when you're building full AP and one shotting squishies
is there a time lich bane would be better than nashors in the jungle since if your playing an assassin flank style. (since nashors is much better for dueling potential for top)
Also would you ever build banshee's veil?
I always build full AP with Lichbane when I play jungle Gwen. Also, a lot of the time when they're all squishy, I'll go full AP Toplane.
Only champ I buy banshee's against is poppy lmfao
id honestly say that rift maker is a low elo item cuz its alot more forgiving then nashors as u dont get bursted down as hard with bad postioning which is why i prefer it alot in my bronze games lol
Doesn’t Rabadons (or even Void) 3rd just mathematically do more damage than shadowflame 3rd, especially in a 1 vs 1? The only 2 ways I see shadowflame value is if A- the opponent/s are already chunked out to below 50% hp (requires someone else to do that-if you’re 100-0ing them rabadons will just do it faster), or B- faster item spike due to being cheaper + enemy building 0 MR (even then usually you’d want to have gwen into tanks anyway- but it is solo q and we are one tricks).
You answered everything in your own comment haha