How To Mosaic On Mesh
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2020
- How to use alkaline resistant mesh for mosaics and also how to adhere your tessera to the mesh. I will also demonstrate cutting and nipping a tile to adhere to the mesh. For links on products and videos please click the button below "Show More"
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Yours are still the best “ how to” videos for mosaic on you tube
Thankyou so much Sunshine that's very kind of you to say that. Thankyou for your support. :)
Thank you for all the tutorials! Best mosaic channel ever! I always find the answers to my questions here without having to use Facebook or Instagram.
Aww Thankyou really appreciate that very much. :)
Facebook is awesome. Peter is very active on there !
Thank you Peter! Much appreciated, always.
Thankyou so much and thanks for watching. :)
I agree with adhering to sticky mesh. Love all your tips. You are never too old to learn!
Thankyou so much, Im always learning. :)
So if you want to lock on the tile on the mesh , can you just use more quick set? And will it be waterproof outside?
excellent explanation and process. so glad i found your channel! watched a lot and then ordered wheel nippers and been cutting christmas plates like mad for a large planter lol. ive done mosaics before with just art glass, mostly small tabletops but am excited to start doing more projects.
Thankyou so much Debbie, appreciate that. Sounds like you're well on your way, your glass experience will come in handy. :)
Another great informative video, thank you Peter.
Thankyou so much Sue. :)
Many thanks for sharing your expertise. Amazing!!!
Thankyou so much GiGi, appreciate that. :)
Thank you. You straightened me out about my question of how to attach the tiles to the mesh. It made no sense to me to put glue all over the tile, then put the mesh and tile over the quickset. The quickset would just be sticking to the glue, not to the tile! Also you have convinced me not to use the sticky mesh. My plan is to cut tiles out of stained glass to cover the ugly surround on my fireplace. The more I've been procrastinating by watching UA-cam videos, the better it seems I am getting educated, lol.
Thanks so much, many people do use others adhesives to adhere the tile to the mesh such as Weldbond because they find that easier, using only a couple of dabs of adhesive to tack the tile to the mesh not covering the tile in glue, that allows the thinset to cover the tile when they adhere it as the thinset does the heavy work. The more you watch, listen and read the more you learn but just remember there is always more than one way to complete a project and everyone has their preferences its just finding which way best suits the job and your needs. Its good to research as you may find a better way than what Ive suggested. :)
Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge, fantastic
Thankyou so much Helen and thankyou for watching. :)
I really enjoy your videos. They are so helpful. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Plus: it is so funny when you say "Right now" :)))
LOL Thankyou very much Plamena, appreciate that. :)
You are the best.Thanks.
Thankyou so much. :)
Thank you for this very informative video. I am planning on making a very large design on my concrete porch and doing the mosaic in this manner will make it less daunting. I can take my time making it into sections to lay out when the design is complete.
Thankyou so much, yes it makes it a lot easier to work with. :)
Very well articulated and I love the Austraaaiilliiaan accent
Thankyou so much Rupa appreciate that. 😊
Hello, I would like to see a video about how you set it on the wall and what you put around... Thank you very much for this one 🙂👍
Thankyou. If you go across the Mango Mosaics on UA-cam, Caroline has a few videos on that and applying the mosaic to the wall. Thanks for watching and commenting. :)
@@TreasuryRoad Thank You !
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Thankyou and my pleasure. 😊
Hi Peter, have followed your video to the letter. I made a daisy for a brick wall. Your video was perfect. I want to see the next step of putting the flower on the wall , how to trim the mesh?,how to grout to the wall? I was wondering if you could tell or show me that. I love your videos. Thank you Alana.
Thankyou very much, you can trim off further excess of the mesh if you want to in-between the petals just depends on your design. To adhere just add some thinset to the wall using a notched trowel or notched scraper around a 5mm notch so you can a even coverage approx same size area as the flower, push the flower into the thinset firmly but not right to the wall and then clean excess thinset from around flower if there is any. Grout when your wall is finished and the thinset has cured. :)
Thank you for being so generous in sharing your
knowledge. Feel much more confident in trying this method.
Thanks again! You are soooo giving!
I heard you make a comment about making sure a person uses the right kind of mesh. I may have missed what you suggest as a good outdoor mesh. What do you use?
Kathie from Mexico
Thankyou so much. Its advisable to use Alkaline resistant mesh. :)
Hi Peter, great video! Can you be specific about the plastic you need to ensure it separates from the thinnest? It doesn't look like clingfilm?!
Thanks so much Chris, I haven't come across a plastic that doesn't work but I tend to use firmer plastics rather than the cling wraps styles, I find it lays flatter and overall is easier to use, its still a soft plastic but not as soft as the cling wraps. :)
Great video, Thankyou. Can you just place the meshed patterns direct to the wet concrete pavers and pat them down gently so the concrete acts as the grout? Or will the mesh show through when the paver dries?
Thankyou very much, appreciate that. When you complete the mosaic on mesh, its placed directly into the thinset. If you apply to much thinset it will squish up into the grout lines, however if you are relying on the thinset to actually do the grouting I think it will get very messy because applying to much thinset will go everywhere and applying to little it wont self grout. I would be applying the thinset as normal to the paver and then grouting when its cured, its another step but it will be considerably easier. Thankyou for watching. :)
Thank you for this video! Quick question: can you grout on mesh and THEN glue it to it's final support? Or does it absolutely have to be grouted on the final support?
Thankyou so much. People have grouted on a small piece of mesh and then apply, however its not a process I would do as you risk cracking, I prefer to grout after its been applied and the adhesive has cured. :)
Excellent Tutorial. Do have a question? I am mosaicing a large Table and will break it down into sections with this indirect method on mesh. Not sure what to do when using different size tiles and how to get it even for a flat surface table top? Do have any solutions, any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thankyou very much Deb. For a table top I would be making sure the tess are all the same height, this is the easiest way. However if you want to use different heights then I would suggest the indirect mosaic method which ensures the tess is totally flat for a table and not use mesh. :)
Hi Peter, Can you tell me if I use the same technique to make a pool mosaic? I worry about all that water and what adhesive to use.
I just answered this in a post that you previously posted it on. :)
When you stick the mesh flower to your finished product are you using thinset to anchor it down?
Yes I adhere the piece to the substrate with thinset. Some people do tack the tess to the mesh with another adhesive and not thinset and then adhere it to the substrate with the thinset. :)
What is the name / brand of the tile cutter/runner that you used to cut the tile, please? Where can I get a pair in the states? Have not seen that kind. Thanks.
Its a tile scorer breaker available here in Australia through Bunnings but generally available through tile and hardware stores, its just a generic brand. Thankyou for watching. :)
I hope you can advise...This is great information unfortunately it came a bit too late to help me with my recent project... Doing a mosaic on the front of our porch. Approximately two-and-a-half feet by 50 ft. I made 50 7x7 inch squares of various designs on mesh. These will be placed every foot along the front of the porch face. I will tell the background using pieces from one basic color tile.
The problem is... For my 7x7 squares, I used weld Bond. The substrate is redwood (with the paint sanded off)... I planned on using thinset to adhere the tiles ( and the 7x7 squares) to the redwood substrate...
I'm in over my head... In this video you say not to use weldbond... I cannot imagine removing the tessera And regluing them with thinset... Is that what you would advise?
Also...maybe having the redwood as substrate well pose a problem with the freezing and thawing here in Colorado...
Thanks for your great videos!
Thankyou very much, appreciate that and sounds like an awesome mosaic. I cant advise specifically on your project as there are so many variables, I dont know about the location, environment, the tess etc also I haven't used Redwood but the mosaic golden rule is not to mosaic onto timber outside as wood interacts with the environment and can cause issues for a mosaic, wood can shrink, expand, crack etc which means the longevity of the mosaic is not great. Weldbond is moisture sensative and if it comes in contact with moisture or humidity it can revert back to its original state, I would definitely advise not using Weldbond as your primary adhesive and if I am using thinset I then I tack with thinset but thats me personally, people have used Weldbond to tack the tess onto the mesh and then used a different adhesive as the primary. People have also used Weldbond successfully outside sealed well but there are others that haven't, there are better adhesives to use without the risk of moisture effecting it. You have mentioned its under a porch which may help but I haven't got an answer to your problem, if you have commercial mosaic artists around your area that have made outdoor mosaics you could run it by them as they may have a solution for you or create a post in the mosaic forums on Facebook with photos as that will help considerably rather than visualizing or trying to guess. :)
Hi Peter,
Great video thank you! I am starting on my first mesh piece, and was wondering what mm sized trowel do you use for spreading the thinset onto your substrate please?
Cheers😊
Thankyou very much Jacqualine. That depends on the thickness of your tess and the type of trowel. The one I used was a 4mm square and v notched trowel its suitable for stained glass and vitreous tiles, I could have used a deeper notched trowel, one that would have added more thinset on the the paver as the tiles were thicker and a different material, however it was just a small paver. :)
@@TreasuryRoad Well, that makes perfect sense! Thank you so much!
Do you suggest embedding 3D objects into the picture or putting them over top the tiles?
A good question, if you are meaning things like roses, leaves, jewllery, flowers etc, if I want the objects to be a part of the mosaic then I embed them, sometimes I do both, I will embed some and add some to it after grouting. It really depends on what they are, how easy they will be to clean up and also the look of what I aiming for in the piece. What you dont want is to have them sitting on the top and they look like they have just been added they need to be cohesive with the final piece. :)
I am pondering the process for a cinderblock wall I plan to mosaic. Wouldn't it be easier to mosaic several mesh panels instead of individual flowers etc? Or, if cutting out individual flowers on mesh, can I then create the mural by tack gluing the individual meshed flowers to larger mesh panels...ie. resultin in double mesh thickness to thin set.
I can’t comment specifically about your job as there are many variables that l cannot see. Generally when you are using mesh you can create different size panels to make it easier to handle. You can also create individual flowers and apply them where you want to and fill in around them. I wouldn’t be creating a double mesh thickness though because you want the thinset to squeeze through the mesh and adhere everything in place. You need to make sure each piece is embedded well into a layer of thinset. 😊
What is your opinion on plastic substrates? And what do I need to consider?
Thank you. I'm a new subscriber and your videos are very helpful.
Thankyou so much for watching and subscribing. I’m not a fan of mosicking onto plastic due to the surface tension many adhesives find difficult to adhere. Some people use silicone but using that long term is not good for your health as it continues to give off solvents while curing. Depending on where it’s going plastic can become brittle, definitely don’t use plastic if has flex in it.
@@TreasuryRoad Thank you for responding so quickly. Good advice and I value your opinion.
Good day! Thank you for your generosity in helping us newbies ! Question . I’ve used a little too much thinset to adhere my pieces not a dab behind tiles, do I need to start over? This is a commission and can’t take chances on this piece! Please help!😞
Hi Minnie I cant answer specifically to your job as there are to many variables when creating a project that I cannot see. Generally if you have tacked the tiles with thinset and you using thinset as your main adhesive I cannot see a problem but how much you have used and what you are using I cant see so I am just generalizing here. :)
@@TreasuryRoad yes I understand but I have completely covered the glass tile with thinset. I’m afraid the tiles may pop off . I think I’ll continue with it and place a stick sheet over it then turn around and lightly scrap excess thinset, then adhere it to freshly thinset on paver. How does that sound? Lol thanks for your prompt response.
@@Seblor9120 I think that sounds like a plan if I understand what you are doing, you can always do a test as well just to make sure. :)
Could I use embroidery craft plastic mesh? To attach my glass pieces of mosaic? I find it to be a lot cheaper than marketed tile mesh backing!
One more question, do you have to work fast with the thinset if I were to fill in the outer part outside of my design on mesh, and fill the rest of the paver with tile onto the thinset, do I have to work quick does it dry fast?
If you are using thinset its best to use Alkaline Resistant Mesh because the thinset is so alkaline, I am not familiar with embroidery craft plastic mesh but being plastic I would consider this a red flag. The mosaics we produce will only be as good as the materials we use.
There are different thinsets on the market some are rapid cure and others are not, the curing of the thinset is also effected by the environment its in as well. When you apply the thinset its best to work with some pace if the thinset is exposed on a large area. If you are going to create a mosaic and applying tesserae one piece at a time then you would be best to use the baggie system. This allows you to work with the thinset in the bag for an hour or two again depending on the environment. This is the way I generally work when creating a mosaic and using thinset. You do have sometime to work with thinset that's exposed but its relative to what you can get done before the thinset begins setting up. Thanks for watching. :)
Is there anything adhesive suitable for outside that is ready mixed?
It depends on what country you are in to what's available, what you are adhering, the environment that its going into. There are many variables that come into play when choosing the right adhesive. There are premixed adhesives, but you would need to Google them and then have a look at the technical data sheets to see if they're suitable for your project. :)
What bags do you use for applying the thinset?
For the baggie system I just use small zip lock bags nothing special. Thanks for watching. :)
Would wax paper work just as well as cling wrap or clear plastic?
I'm not sure you would need to try it. I would be concerned that the wax may separate from the paper depending how long the adhesive is left on it. :)
Great video! Thank you! What is the name of the mesh (product name)? What is the name of the adhesive? I am having a hard time finding the right mesh and adhesive in the U.S.
Thankyou very much, there isn't a specific name for the mesh other than its alkaline resistant fiberglass mesh. Its quite readily available and can be bought through online mosaic stores and building supply stores, just Google it I think Mosaic Art Supply in the USA carries it, it is available in different widths and lengths as well. The thinset I use is from Laticrete, you can buy thinset on its own as well, just make sure its rated for the materials you're using as there are different ones or I have also made a video on the one I use called "Creating Thinset Using Grout". Laticrete is a global company and based in the USA, I have made a video on how you can locate your nearest Laticrete stockist as well. :)
How long can you keep the thin set in the zip lock bag?
That really does depend on the environment you’re working in, the consistency and the brand of thinset. When lm using the thinset it generally keeps for around 60 mins or so but mixing small batches is best. 😊
do you reuse the scraps of mesh? thanks!
I use scraps of whatever l have that works for the project. If scraps can be used without compromising a project l will use them wherever possible. Thanks for commenting. 😊
I have a problem ~ I think . My project on mesh is completed but I used Weldbond to adhere it. My plan is to use ThinSet to adhere to my outdoor project. Will this still work on a submersible ?
A number of people do use Weldond to "tack" the tessera to mesh, however I generally use thinset. I cant speak specifically about your job. I would think if the thinset is going to adhere directly to the tess the majority of the back of the tess shouldn't be covered in Weldbond. Wherever the Weldbond is may prevent the thinset from bonding to the tessera. I wouldn't have used Weldbond to tack to the mosaic mesh especially if its going to be submerged. :)
Hi peter after grouting what do you put in the surrounding substrate please a video would be great
I sent you pm thanks lisa
Hi Lisa, Im not sure what you mean, I have created video on doing edges on a mosaic. :)
Can I use the mesh method with stained glass pieces?
Generally you can, if the pieces are opaque otherwise you will see the mesh. :)
You mentioned ‘shelf life’. Cement based adhesives all seem to come in 20kg bags with opened shelf life of zero to 6 months. Too much for me to use in timeframe. In Australia, are smaller quantities available? Also, are oxides good for colouring for mosaics when using like the black in another video? Your videos are a tremendous help. Many thanks.
Thankyou so much Elizabeth. cement based adhesives and grout are pretty cheap and are aimed at the tiling market. Storing them correctly is very important. You can buy smaller quantities from OzMosaics in QLD. Generally coloured oxides are good for colouring ordinary sanded grouts and cement based adhesives. Always read the technical data sheets first before adding any colourants on the product you're using, they are easy to read and generally available on the manufactures website to ensure compatibility. :)
@@TreasuryRoad
Thank you Peter for your comprehensive and helpful reply.
Thank you, what is the next step please? Do you stick it to the substrate with the mesh still in place? Or peel it off the mesh?
My pleasure. Leave the mesh on and stick down, In the case of this flower I would be making a bed of thinset and then sticking it down in that, the mesh keeps it all together. :)
why alkaline resist mesh? could you use a nylon fabric?
thanks for the helpful vids
Thanks so much Kathy. Thinset is very alkaline so using alkaline resistant mesh helps guard against the mesh becoming compromised due to the alkalinity. I have never used nylon mesh but l believe that it’s also alkaline resistant and softer so for certain projects it could be quite useful. It has been something that l have thought about trying and doing some R&D because l know very little about it. Thanks for the comment. 😊
Does the tile scorer tool used at the beginning have a specific name?
After I shoot the video I thought I should have named that. Its just a tile scorer and breaker, you can also use a glass scorer as well.
@@TreasuryRoad I would still love to have the name of the tile scorer its the best I have seen I have brought a few over the years none works as well as that one . fantastic video will defiantly try that method now many thanks
@@nonirae1587 Thankyou very much, l can’t see a name on it, l’ve had it for a while. 😊
Love your channel, thank you 😊
How to glue a stained glass on mesh to a wood substrate? The glue can come out through tesserae , what glue do you suggest
Thankyou Carmel appreciate that. You can glue the stained glass directly to the wood and not use mesh. 😊
@@TreasuryRoad I already used mesh , so in this case what glue should I use
@@CarmelZJ l can’t answer your question as l don’t use mesh on wood. 😊
@@TreasuryRoad thank
@@CarmelZJ Sorry l couldn’t have been more of a help. 😊
Hi I’ve tried thinset on mesh and pots with very poor outcomes. As in the tiles all dropping off my pots or the mesh. What am I doing wrong?
Hi Lib, there are so many possibilities as to why you are having issues, far to many that can be gone through in this thread. Failure of the thinset can be caused by user error, the thinset hasn't been rated for the materials you are using, you can get thinset that is rated for one material but not for glass, I would check this first as this is a common problem. It can also be not slaking of the thinset, temperature, very porous materials, doing it on a hot day, not enough thinset has been applied, tessera has not been imbedded into the thinset but just sits on top, etc. There are just so many reasons that can cause this issue. :)
@@TreasuryRoad I rd watched your videos with using thinset. I know I did not let it slake long enough and I mixed it with water as my packet 20kg of it, did not suggest any other mixing agent. I only used it on clay pots both sealed and mesh and haven’t been game to try it again. Where do you purchase Ladercrete from so I can try that one. I’ve had plenty of success with liquid nails on all surfaces. Thank you for your helpful responses. Lib.
@@libwade5350 You did the right thing not adding anything else to the thinset unless the packet or the technical data sheet says otherwise. It could very well have been the slaking or the sealant you used. Don’t give up because thinset is an awesome product. I use Laticrete thinset and created a video on using their website to find your nearest retailer it’s in my channel. 😊
How did you cut the groove into the top of the petal?
I just used the same tools as what I used for the circle, I will probably do a follow up video, I just used the double wheeled nippers to take off a little of the curve and then chipped away with very small chips with the compound nippers. :)
@@TreasuryRoad Thanks
From where we get mesh easily. Plz add English subtitles in ur videos
Alkaline Resistant Mesh is available from mosaic stockists online, I would Google it for your nearest retailer. :)
Thanks
How to you adhere to the wall
Generally using thinset (cement based adhesive). If you have a look at Mango Mosaics UA-cam channel Caroline shows you what she uses and how she does it. 😊
Can I use liquid nails on mesh.
I have never used liquid nails so I cant tell you, other people do use other adhesives, if you do you just need a dab, as your primary adhesive will do the work and will adhere to the majority of the tess area and the substrate.
Thank you will look for your option before attempting. Thank you
Hi Peter, can I use plastic mesh instead of fiber glass one?