Interesting I imagine the batteries will slowly improve with all motorbikes. escooters etc One thing that led me to the TC design was the room/capacity for a removable battery
Very nice and cleanly made pack! I'm wondering how much capacity could one get by filling the whole body of the original battery. Or instead of 18650 use a "flat" cells.
Thank you! If you used the original battery case it wouldn't fit as many cells. I'd look for prismatic or "flat" cells the same dimensions as original. Capacity would depend on what cells you can get.
Hello, got an question for you, with that BMS you purchased from that aliexpress link, you dont need anything more to connect with the battery? my supersoco battery bms just gone and i wanted get an replacement and this is the closest thing i like to get since the battery have less of 50 cycles. so you only needed the bms in the link, just make an proper connnection in the battery leads and the canbus connection and that should work?
very nice can you tell us the regular batery when its full the voltage is 82 or 84 ... you calculate 72 volt or more ?? ... and last the bms you put a regular or buy with the ant bms thank you
Nice, clean work, excelent ! Isn´t better use only £0,04 more expensive 21700 5000mAh LG50LT ? It would give 80 Ah. Or am I missing or misunderstanding something ? Max voltage for motor is 72V or battery configuration could be f.e. 80V ? Thx for reply and have a nice day !
You could use 2170 cells but you would have to position their parallel cells laterally instead od longitudinally because they are 21.3mm wide. The serial orientation would need to go up and down which would result in a 50mm taller battery pack. Such a battery pack with LG50LT cells could provide no more than 200 Amps peak from the 80Ah, so it is still limited if planning to use a more powerful controller.
hello Very nice work , i'm considering buying a TC max and upgrade it to commute at work . I have a question regarding charge with the antBms . At which rate are you able to charge it ? have you tried to charge at high amps ( 20a + ) ? if yes , how long does it takes to fully load it ? I think that this aspect of battery upgrade is way more interesting than just upgrading a bit range . i've read that standard Soco BMS limit charge to around 12a . Thanks for your very useful videos 😊 cheers Rémy
Hi Tim, I want to build the biggest energy battery pack that fits in the motorcycle´s battery pack compartment. We begin by battery pack´s height. I think that it could consists in six modules stacked (six modules * 65 mm per module = 390 mm). I imagine that we would have to remothe the storage tray. Do you think that this is posible?
Six modules * 80 cells per module = 480 cells (3,6 V * 3,5 Ah = 12,6 Wh) 480 cells * 12,6 Wh per cell = 6,048 kWh Thanks in advance
Do super soco ebike series, specifically supersoco cu -x 60v 30ah series have a prorietary communication protocol in between bms and controller? bosch motor integrated shimano e-bike setups have an encryption feature which you can not initiate controller unless it's the original battery.
@@thecapacitator8137 what i meant was if there was a bms verification involved with these supersoco units on not. as it is the case with shimano step motor-controller setups. whenever you start the controller it communicates with the bms and decide to run the motor or not. did you use the original bms of the supersoco max or a generic one? if it is a generic bms than there is no probem at all and supersoco bikes carry multiple cheap self made batteries all at once.
Is that ANT BMS good or do you think I should get something else? i have a 72V 40ah 21700 pack and Im still trying to decide what brand I should go with.
Over a year now and no major issues. Sometimes the power reading on the app doesn't work quite right but otherwise it's good. I'd maybe go for the higher rated one if you have space.
@@thecapacitator8137thanks for the response. I’ve decided to go with JK as they have built in active balancing and now aliexpress has a sale on their official store.
Hi man! Great job! I wonder if you can connect a similar or smaller battery pack without the part that register info about the battery time etc. Though it is necessary to know how much battery is left. The thing is, I bought one of these without the battery pack for a really good price. And so, how do you connect it with battery info or without? Do you have to use the original one or the original one modified as you or another one with less say 18 cells? Thanks!
@@thecapacitator8137 100ah BMS is negative point is 2 . 1st is charging 2nd is discharging so how to use in ups because ups is charge and also discharge
Hi! I'm not sure yet. Range depends on many variables. I rode 50km yesterday and still had 45% battery remaining. Was riding only 50-60kph most of the time though.
@@daniellacko6620 If you consider 26% not much then no, it's not much bigger. I haven't monitored it closely but it suits my journeys better. I don't have to charge anymore at my usual destinations which are mostly 60-70km round trips. Last time I did a 70km round trip the battery had 30% capacity remaining. Also remember the standard battery doesn't allow use of all of it's capacity. The standard charger only charges to 83V. I can charge to 84V. Which doesn't sound much but actually makes a considerable difference. So I'd guess I'm probably getting at least 30% extra range than standard in total.
В чëм смысл? Где написано сколько обëм такой батареи? Сколько пробег на супер соко с таким аккумулятором? Нужна инфа, а так молодец, что-то сделал, но что именно?
3.7 v batteries mmm i'm not sure! Better the 4680 type it has 4.2v and 9000mAh capacity ..Plus with all these batteries You've used, the malfunction chance increases cause if one or more are fused ,the whole Batt pack is F..ked Up...☝️as a result of serial connection...⚡️
And also isn't it "1000 mAh is equal to a 1 Ah"? So with 3500 mAh 350 cells your battery must be 1225 Ah? Forgive me stupidy please, i just don't know 😅
@@thecapacitator8137 I see you have used 4 floors for the cells. Can you tell me how many cells by floor you have installed? Which is the configuration for P and S? I don't really understand... Which is the capacity/model of every cell and the total capacity? Thanks in advance
A very sturdy and robust built, thanks!
Super clean. 👌 #respect
Astonishing, kudos to you sir.
Thank you! 73's!
Great build :)
Thanks!
4 kwh ! Great work !
Hi! Great video! I would appreciate if you can tell me the diameter of transmision pulleys in this bike. Thank you!!
Interesting
I imagine the batteries will slowly improve with all motorbikes. escooters etc
One thing that led me to the TC design was the room/capacity for a removable battery
Mi problema es que yo vivo en cuba
Epic Lengths ☝️🤟👽🚲
Nice work👏🤝🤝🤝
Thank you!
Nice work
Thanks!
Excellent
I bought a Honda xr. Now looking to switch to an electric bike. What's the autonomy on km or miles? How long does it take to charge? Thank you
Very nice and cleanly made pack!
I'm wondering how much capacity could one get by filling the whole body of the original battery. Or instead of 18650 use a "flat" cells.
Thank you! If you used the original battery case it wouldn't fit as many cells. I'd look for prismatic or "flat" cells the same dimensions as original. Capacity would depend on what cells you can get.
Flat cells are you talking about pouches ( good for power scarey for safety unless it's in epoxy resin
Gostei muito do seu trabalho ficou muito bom super bateria
Obrigado!
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Thanks for the video! So this battery allow level 2 charging ? Where to get module to allow this?
You just need a type 2 plug. My next video will be about public charging.
Can I make this battery for simple super soco tc model ??
Great build man. I am wondering about buing this motorcycle.
Go for it!
Excelente
Gostaria de montar um Pack destes .
Parece Muito difícil fazer esta montagem e finalizar as conexões.
Mais você esta de parabéns
good job
Thank you!
Hello, got an question for you, with that BMS you purchased from that aliexpress link, you dont need anything more to connect with the battery? my supersoco battery bms just gone and i wanted get an replacement and this is the closest thing i like to get since the battery have less of 50 cycles. so you only needed the bms in the link, just make an proper connnection in the battery leads and the canbus connection and that should work?
so much fun
hi
where do you got an link for the Cells
very nice can you tell us the regular batery when its full the voltage is 82 or 84 ... you calculate 72 volt or more ?? ... and last the bms you put a regular or buy with the ant bms thank you
Standard is 72V nominal, 83V fully charged. BMS information is in the video description.
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no szalony pod prąd jedzie :D
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Hello, this new battery that you manufactured also marks the autonomy in the tachometer? Cheers!
Yes it still works. I have it set to temperature as it's much more useful. The autonomy varies so much depending how you ride.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Well done.. What contrller did you use..
By my calculations SuperSoco easily could've stuffed in there 72V 70Ah batt..
Thanks! I used an Ant BMS with communication module....
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@@thecapacitator8137 Is it possible with this communication module to charge battery with the original charger?
@@slawomirkon6090 Yes
Top. Quanto ficou o projecto?
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Parabéns.
Excelente trabalho
£1700
@@thecapacitator8137 vou estar atento aos teus vídeos e projectos
Hello, is + and - from the battery enough or another cable to communicate with the original controller? There are no errors on the LCD?
It requires a can bus module to work.
Nice, clean work, excelent ! Isn´t better use only £0,04 more expensive 21700 5000mAh LG50LT ? It would give 80 Ah. Or am I missing or misunderstanding something ? Max voltage for motor is 72V or battery configuration could be f.e. 80V ? Thx for reply and have a nice day !
Hi, thanks. I don't think 21700 would fit the enclosure. This pack only just fits.
You could use 2170 cells but you would have to position their parallel cells laterally instead od longitudinally because they are 21.3mm wide. The serial orientation would need to go up and down which would result in a 50mm taller battery pack. Such a battery pack with LG50LT cells could provide no more than 200 Amps peak from the 80Ah, so it is still limited if planning to use a more powerful controller.
hello
Very nice work , i'm considering buying a TC max and upgrade it to commute at work .
I have a question regarding charge with the antBms .
At which rate are you able to charge it ? have you tried to charge at high amps ( 20a + ) ?
if yes , how long does it takes to fully load it ?
I think that this aspect of battery upgrade is way more interesting than just upgrading a bit range .
i've read that standard Soco BMS limit charge to around 12a .
Thanks for your very useful videos 😊
cheers
Rémy
Yes I can charge at 20 amps. Battery warms up a bit but charges much faster.
@@thecapacitator8137 great !
thanks for the answer :)
enjoy your Tc Max ,
il will buy one soon 😁
Wath is the dimensions of the battery
Hi Tim,
I want to build the biggest energy battery pack that fits in the motorcycle´s battery pack compartment.
We begin by battery pack´s height. I think that it could consists in six modules stacked (six modules * 65 mm per module = 390 mm). I imagine that we would have to remothe the storage tray. Do you think that this is posible?
Six modules * 80 cells per module = 480 cells (3,6 V * 3,5 Ah = 12,6 Wh)
480 cells * 12,6 Wh per cell = 6,048 kWh
Thanks in advance
Responded on my blog.
Do super soco ebike series, specifically supersoco cu -x 60v 30ah series have a prorietary communication protocol in between bms and controller? bosch motor integrated shimano e-bike setups have an encryption feature which you can not initiate controller unless it's the original battery.
I think they use can bus. The TC Max definitely does.
@@thecapacitator8137 what i meant was if there was a bms verification involved with these supersoco units on not. as it is the case with shimano step motor-controller setups. whenever you start the controller it communicates with the bms and decide to run the motor or not.
did you use the original bms of the supersoco max or a generic one? if it is a generic bms than there is no probem at all and supersoco bikes carry multiple cheap self made batteries all at once.
@@asencyel I had to add a can bus module to make it work. It also sends state of charge for the display.
does this work with the regular non-max TC?
Don't think so.
great job.Which batteries did you use and if I may know where you bought them?
Thanks! I used LG MJ1 cells from wholesale.18650.uk/
If I were doing it again I'd probably go for Molicel M35A
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@@thecapacitator8137 how much were the total costs ?
@@Ematuresco Around £1700
@@thecapacitator8137 phev I am building 24s 50ah lifepo4 battery and it cost 1/3 of this battery only that lifepo4 battery is pretty massive
do you get more range with a higher wat battery?
Yes , that's how it works
Oh 😮para mi moto
It catches fire nowadays...
Yes, possible!
Is that ANT BMS good or do you think I should get something else? i have a 72V 40ah 21700 pack and Im still trying to decide what brand I should go with.
Over a year now and no major issues. Sometimes the power reading on the app doesn't work quite right but otherwise it's good. I'd maybe go for the higher rated one if you have space.
@@thecapacitator8137thanks for the response. I’ve decided to go with JK as they have built in active balancing and now aliexpress has a sale on their official store.
Does it go faster than 60mph with more range?
Not much. Just better range.
21k
Kan ada generator listrik di celup ke mesin diesel atau 2x..
I wish you sell this batteries so I can use them on my own TC MAX 😂👍🏻👍🏻
Hi Borys. Thanks for the compliment. You could always make yourself one!
I wnt this BMS
@@technotricks7627 s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_9gqDIV
Hi man!
Great job! I wonder if you can connect a similar or smaller battery pack without the part that register info about the battery time etc. Though it is necessary to know how much battery is left. The thing is, I bought one of these without the battery pack for a really good price. And so, how do you connect it with battery info or without? Do you have to use the original one or the original one modified as you or another one with less say 18 cells? Thanks!
Is the top speed greater?
No
Max distance on a single rcharge?
100km
What's the top speed and range ?
Hey, i want to make a 72v 60Ah battery pack for my escoot. How many cells will I need with your configuration?
320
@@thecapacitator8137 thank you my guy. Then I can just follow your way of making the battery pack right?
Looks like I'm in vice city
Sir 12v 3s bms use ups??
Chariging.or.discharge disfrent point ??? Plz riply
Sorry, I don't understand the question
@@thecapacitator8137 100ah BMS is negative point is 2 . 1st is charging 2nd is discharging so how to use in ups because ups is charge and also discharge
@@shanimalak90 I use BMS with common charge and discharge wires
@@thecapacitator8137 ok dear but.i have 100ah bms😥
wait the ecu will accept a dyi battery???
Yes, I added a module to make the battery meter work on the standard display.
How much autonomy increased?
About 25%
How many miles or km do u get in full charge?
100km
Its on full speed 100km?
Soco accepts any battery, but my ebike needs CAN bus communication even for power on or to able to drain or charge battery :(
Quiero una así para mi moto
do you know model your moto
Super Soco TC Max
لو سمحت ممكن مخطط تفصيلي
Hello, how many kilometers of autonomy with the new battery?
Hi! I'm not sure yet. Range depends on many variables. I rode 50km yesterday and still had 45% battery remaining. Was riding only 50-60kph most of the time though.
@@thecapacitator8137 standard battery is around 3.2kwh if im right? what kwh is the new one?
@@daniellacko6620 72V x 56Ah = 4032Wh so 4.032kWh
@@thecapacitator8137 thank you. so its not much bigger.. have you been testing range? what can you get out of it like 20km extra?
@@daniellacko6620 If you consider 26% not much then no, it's not much bigger. I haven't monitored it closely but it suits my journeys better. I don't have to charge anymore at my usual destinations which are mostly 60-70km round trips. Last time I did a 70km round trip the battery had 30% capacity remaining. Also remember the standard battery doesn't allow use of all of it's capacity. The standard charger only charges to 83V. I can charge to 84V. Which doesn't sound much but actually makes a considerable difference. So I'd guess I'm probably getting at least 30% extra range than standard in total.
Why is it so slow with 83 volts, my scooter is 9kw on 58 volts.
The only negative thing i see is that you lost the range estimation in the display. Right ?
No it's set to temperature
What happens if batteries explode?
House burns down
Dead
Batarya sökülüp şarj oluyor mu
В чëм смысл? Где написано сколько обëм такой батареи? Сколько пробег на супер соко с таким аккумулятором? Нужна инфа, а так молодец, что-то сделал, но что именно?
What is the name of your bike , this bike almost look like revolt rv 400 in india . Share more details of your bike
Super Soco TC Max
@@thecapacitator8137 in india it cost only £1550
@@dss6497 Wow! That's a good deal!
@@dss6497 All bikes in India are cheap, ktm honda suzuki are all less than half the price they are in Europe.
what is the autonomia how many milles you driving with 1 charge
About 100km
Only 72 Ah ! I think it is much more Ah., What is capacity of Single Battery you use?
3.5Ah
@@thecapacitator8137 exactly, as of my count you used total 320 battery of 3.5ah then it should be 320x3.5Ah =1120Ah in total ?
@@vikashchoudhary5119 Only if you wire them all in parallel. This pack has 16 in parallel and 20 in series. So 16X3.5=56
Yes
how much U will charge $ to build a battery like that ?
I won't sell. It might catch fire and burn your house down.
@@thecapacitator8137 ok, but how $ u'll charge ( an estimated ) ?
@@carlosvargas5885 It cost me about £1700 to build
@@thecapacitator8137 thats not bad for to make a livin , right ?
@@carlosvargas5885 No, it's very bad for to make a living.
SA MARCHE TU POUR daymak em2Battery : 72V 32AH
4km
Maksudnya motorcycle electric..
Is it worth to upgrading 45Ah to 56Ah ? I think not
TOTAL COST?
About £1700
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3.7 v batteries mmm i'm not sure! Better the 4680 type it has 4.2v and 9000mAh capacity ..Plus with all these batteries You've used, the malfunction chance increases cause if one or more are fused ,the whole Batt pack is F..ked Up...☝️as a result of serial connection...⚡️
Only Tesla have 4680's!
Buy me one
60mph in a 30 limit ?
That's kph... And it over reads :goodvibes:
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And also isn't it "1000 mAh is equal to a 1 Ah"?
So with 3500 mAh 350 cells your battery must be 1225 Ah?
Forgive me stupidy please, i just don't know 😅
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Hello Tim, I would like to ask you some questions about the battery. Can we chat in private? Thanks!
What would you like to know?
@@thecapacitator8137 I see you have used 4 floors for the cells. Can you tell me how many cells by floor you have installed? Which is the configuration for P and S? I don't really understand... Which is the capacity/model of every cell and the total capacity? Thanks in advance