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I am another admirer of Prof Ilan Pappe. Although he was a a soldier in the Zionist army in the 1973 war, his conscience made him relinquish Zionism and he became an ardent defender of the Palestinian cause.
At best, Ilan Pappe must be one of the world's sloppiest historians; at worst, one of the most dishonest. To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said: “Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”. So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil. Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue. Also read, "Industry of Lies" by Ben Dror Yemini
So happy to watch this interview ❤️Thank you so much for inviting Ilan Pappe. Do much needed to hear this today. Justice must be served. Free Palestine.
I feel so much better after listening to Ilan Pape. He is very passionate about history and very elequent at explaining his perspective on it. ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
Thank you so much for posing such helpful questions to professor Pappe.Everything presented here demonstetes deep concern and respect for discovering the true history.
What a great informative interview I could listen to Prof Pappe all day 🙏🇵🇸❤💪 Great interview. thank you for your honest, sensible and practical advice, Prof Pappe! You're a treasure to humanity. Hey you guys have been doing a phenomenal job with the speakers and these interviews. Keep it up!!!
While Pappe is undoubtedly the gem of this interview I have to say that the interviewer is very well prepared and knows how to ask the most pertinent and relevant questions. Thank you for an excellent interview!
I am a 73 year old man and I have spent the better part of my life trying to understand why I seem to always feel a certain sadness in my heart. Then I thought, maybe this had something to do with it. Hopefully this story brings out others like me. In 1963 Zionists came to my home in Casablanca Morocco, to convince my parents to send me and my little sister to Israel without them. I was 12 and my sister 9 when we started our miserable journey to the "Promised land". It destroyed our family and left me and my sister with long lasting scars neither one of us has been able to heal. Being from Morocco made it even more difficult to live in a more racist country than Morocco ever was. We had a very peaceful life as Jews living amongst Muslims in Morocco. We understood each other and helped each other. To this day, the principal advisor to King Mohamed is a Jew. But the Zionists needed boddies to fill Israel and slowly claim more and more land from the Palestinians they kept displacing. The people running Israel are not Jews. True Jews would have helped the Palestinians evolve and share in their fortunes, like we did for centuries in the Arab world. Israel claims it is defending itself? Against whom? The people they have been displacing and opressing for 80 years? Israel, my advice to you, if you want to survive, get rid of the religious zealots who run your government and join the 21st century.
There's hope for peace and freedom at the end of the chapter. A dim light at the end of the tunnel, so to speak. God bless Palestine and Palestinians. Amén 🙏.
What a GREAT GREAT HISTORIAN, PROF ALLAN PAPPE, we citizens of the world 🌎 are truly honored 🎖 to have you in our Lifetime.. May GOD bless & always keep you safe ❤❤❤❤
At best, Ilan Pappe must be one of the world's sloppiest historians; at worst, one of the most dishonest. To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said: “Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”. So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil. Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue. Also read, "Industry of Lies" by Ben Dror Yemini
They're far from being the only ones nowadays... Definitely among the first and most popular, most influential references, though, in terms of serious, reliable academic research. Two honest, brave, beautiful humans above all.
Good discussion and the interviewer did a good job, asking some useful informed questions and not interrupting too much. Well done India Global Left. Pappe has great insights.
Danke Prof. Pappe, wenn ich Ihnen zuhöre denke ich an Nathan den Weisen (Gottfried Ephraim Lessing) ob Jude, Christ oder Moslem, was ist der einzelne mehr als ein Mensch. Sie sind ein Mensch und daher ein großer Trost in dieser die Menschlichkeit mordenden Welt.
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"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not." -- Arab Princeton Professor, Philip Hitti, before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry in Jerusalem in 1946. "Such a creature as Palestine does not exist at all." (Ahmad Shukan , Saudi Ambassador to the UN, 1956) In 1937, Secretary of the Arab Higher Committee to the British Peel Commission, Awni Abd al-Hadi stated: “There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented.” "We [Palestinians] were never an independent state in history, we were part of an Arab state and an Islamic state.” -- Palestinian Hamas Foreign Minister Mahmoud Zahhar (quoted in The Economist, February 2, 2008) "Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria." Syrian President Hafez al-Assad [Addressing the Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization Yasser Arafat during a meeting with leaders of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in 1976] "The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new tool to continue the fight against Israel and for Arab unity." Zahir Muhsein, Palestinian leader of the pro-Syria As-Sa'iqa Ba'athist faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization between 1971 and 1979, in an interview with Trouw Magazine, 31. March 1977
Igor Berkut brutally lays out what the "new owners" of Ukraine really think about Ukrainians on YT: Igor Berkut seven years ago about state of Ukraine The similarity to the uncaring treatment of Palestinians is strong. At 5:00 mark, the new Ukrainian owners plan to compete with Russia, US, UK, (which are currently sinking), Germany and to reduce the Ukraine population to 4-5 million!
Context - Nationalism Is an idea and movement that holds that the nation should be congruent with the state. As a movement, it presupposes the existence and tends to promote the interests of a particular nation, especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining its sovereignty over its perceived homeland to create a nation-state. It holds that each nation should govern itself, self-determination, free from outside interference, it further aims to build and maintain a single national identity, based on a combination of shared social characteristics such as culture, ethnicity, geographic location, language, politics, religion, traditions and belief in a shared singular history, and to promote national unity or solidarity. Nationalism, therefore, seeks to preserve and foster a nation's traditional culture. The reason why all countries are unique and different is because they all subscribe to nationalism in some form, this is why there is the will and desire to travel and immigrate, and therefore the existence of tourism, to experience these different cultures, ethnicity, geographic locations, languages, politics, religions, traditions and beliefs, architecture, cuisine etc. If we are to unquestionably accept generalised global nationalism, in any shape or form, part or in whole, as we have, including Arab and/or Muslim nationalism (irrespective of Muslims don’t particularly subscribe to nationalism in its entire definition by way of nation-state over community). Zionism is nothing more than nationalism, the right that Israel exists, if this is difficult to comprehend then let’s for argument sake forget about the word Zionism and talk to the word which we know and relate to, nationalism, are we suggesting and applying a different set of standards upon sovereign Israel, whereby they are to be denied these same universal accepted rights to nationalism, self-determination, identity unquietness, through culture, ethnicity, geographic location, language, politics, religion, traditions and beliefs, architecture, cuisine?
Context - Imperialism and Colonialism We do the same throughout all the inconvenient timelines of history, just like where we talk about imperialism and colonialism, we pretend a way of the world where the entire world was competing on that very same model in a specific timeline didn’t exit. We pretend that there was only a select group of imperialists and colonialists, that only the Roman and British Empires existed including now a manufactured fictional Jewish Empire that supposedly exists or existed, unclear. We pretend that the Arab Empire wasn’t the world’s largest empire created at that time, stretching from Spain to Pakistan, we pretend that the Muslim conquests of North Africa didn’t transpire in 7th century, we pretend that the Muslims didn’t invade Spain in the 7th century, we pretend that the Muslims didn’t subjugate Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Mesopotamia and Persia which resulted that from Morocco to Iraq had transitioned from being mostly not Muslim and not Arab to becoming mostly Muslim and speaking Arabic, so what you ended up with was a huge swath of land that spoke Arabic that had become majority Muslim but ethnically it wasn't Arab. We pretend that between 1453 and 1526 the three largest Muslims empires, that being the Ottomans, Safavid and Mughal, never existed, with conquests across three continents Asia, Africa and Europe.
Y’all really don’t need to be interviewing this settler to learn about Palestine. The man has condemned Hamas and Operation Al-Aqsa Flood and does not speak for Palestinians fighting for liberation against US-led imperialism and zi0nism.
Zuheir Mohsen (1936 - 25 July 1979) was a Palestinian leader of the Syria-controlled faction of the PLO between 1971 and 1979, in his own words below:- "The Palestinian people does not exist … there is no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese", though Palestinian identity would be emphasised for political reasons. In a March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw he stated that "between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese there are no differences. We are all part of one people, the Arab nation [...] Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity. Because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons”. Fathi Hammad, Minister of Interior and National Security in Gaza, admitted it when he said : “Who are the Palestinians? We are Arabs, we are Muslims, people of Egypt, we are an integral part of you. Personally, my family is half Egyptian and half Saudi. Half of us have an Egyptian surname, like the Masri whose roots are Egyptian: they come from Alexandria, Cairo, Ouimet, the northern Nile Land, Aswan and the Upper -Egypt. The other half comes from neighboring Arab countries”
The Arabs began building an empire in 633 A.D., within 67 years the Arab empire stretched from Spain to Pakistan, it was built fast. Under the Umayyad Caliphate (661-750), was at that time the largest empire the world had yet seen and the seventh largest ever to exist in history. The Empire began and continued to disintegrate more and more pieces break off until the Ottomans basically come along, by that point everything from Morocco to Iraq had transitioned from being mostly not Muslim and not Arab to becoming mostly Muslim and speaking Arabic, so what you ended up with was a huge swath of land that spoke Arabic that had become majority Muslim but ethnically it wasn't Arab. At the end of the Arab Empire and the beginning of the Ottoman Empire the Palestine population had shrunk to an estimated 300 000. The Sassanids want their land back, the land that was taken during the Arab Empire, by the Arab Rashidun Caliphate, in 651 CE, all of modern-day land Iran and Iraq and parts of the Arabian Peninsula (particularly Eastern Arabia and South Arabia), as well as the Caucasus, the Levant, and parts of Central Asia and South Asia.
Where did the Grand Mufti Mohammed Amin al-Husseini spend the better part of WWII? Was he not in Germany cosying up to Hitler and the Nazi’s and did he not visit the Trebbin concentration camp in 1943? There were discussions that took place between Hitler and the Grand Mufti Mohammed Amin al-Husseini, what does the recorded transcripts say they discussed?
Was the Zionist Terrorist group, Lehi, also at the meeting with Hitler too? They wanted to work with the Nazis too even when they were aware of the camps!!
Perhaps Ilan could articulate apartheid precisely and specifically within its proper definition and space it talks to Apartheid Definition Apartheid refers to the implementation and maintenance of a system of legalized racial segregation in which one racial group is deprived of political and civil rights. As in the origin of apartheid, contextually this referred to the racial segregation of political and civil rights imposed upon South African citizens within South Africa’s sovereign borders. Does Israel have any such racial segregation laws implemented within the sovereign borders of Israel imposed upon its 9 million Israeli citizens, as was the case in South Africa.
Arab Countries Relations and Views on Palestinians Most Palestinian refugees live either in the West Bank or Gaza Strip, or the three original "host countries" of Jordan, Lebanon and Syria who unwillingly accepted the first wave of refugees in 1948, these refugees are supported by UNRWA. Arab states' view of Palestinian refugees has varied over time, Arab governments have often supported the refugees in the name of Arab unity. However, Arab governments have also frequently "despised" the Palestinian refugees - either viewing them as a threat to demographic balance (as in Lebanon), or because of the "political message of freedom and emancipation that their ‘Palestinian-ness’ carried", or else because in some countries' history Palestinians have been "somewhat associated with strife and unrest”. However, the conferring of citizenship is a sensitive topic. In October 2023, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi made his toughest remarks yet on Wednesday, saying the current war was not just aimed at fighting Hamas, which rules the Gaza Strip, “but also an attempt to push the civilian inhabitants to ... migrate to Egypt.” He warned this could wreck peace in the region. Jordan’s King Abdullah II gave a similar message a day earlier, saying, “No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt.”
Ottoman Muslim Empire (1516 to 1917) The Ottoman Empire wasn't Arab it was ruled by Turks but most of the land that the Turks ruled was Arab this having a minority Turkish population ruling over a majority Arab population. The Ottoman Empire does very well militarily and conquers out a huge chunk of land achieving their stated goal to recreating the Roman Empire but it would be a Muslim Roman Empire and they effectively did just that, they conquered a swath of land that was roughly comparable to the Roman Empires but a little bit bigger and it stretched out into other places that the Romans didn't stretch out into but was missing the Northwest chunk of the Roman Empire. The Ottoman Empire would eventually go into decline while also not keeping up with European technologically, if you were to go back to the 16th century the Ottoman Empire was way ahead of Europe, it was the 18th / 19th century where the Ottoman Empire started to lag behind Europe, where Europe surpassed it in terms of technology and fighting ability. The Ottoman Empire by World War I was in trouble and had lost the vast majority of its territory at the outbreak of World War I. At the end of World War I, what the Ottoman Empire had left was the western coast of what is now Saudi Arabia, it had the eastern coast of what is now Saudi Arabia but not all of it, it had what is now Iraq, it had what is now Palestine and Israel, it had what is now Syria and Lebanon and what is now turkey.
Fall of Ottoman Empire & Middle East Countries & Independence The Ottomans ruled the region until 1917, after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, while under Mandatory Palestine, the greater Middle East countries were created and defined by the modern-day borders, names and independence, as we know them today. At the end of WWII there was numerous border changes globally and resulted in 40 to 60 million displaced. This included the likes of Pakistan, in 1947, a huge swath of Indian land was taken to form a Muslim country called Pakistan, this resulted in 16 million people being displaced. The founding of Israel was merely a small part of this broader global process happening at the same time within this specific region which included the independence of most Middle East countries. • Saudi Arabia became an independent state in 1932 • Iraq became an independent state in 1932 • Lebanon became an independent state in 1943 • Egypt became an independent state in 1945 • Jordan became an independent state 1946 • Syria became an independent state in 1946 • Israel became an independent state in 1948 • Yemen became an independent state in 1967 • Qatar became an independent state in 1971 • Iran became an independent state in 1979, The Arabs (“Palestinians”) refused all independent state proposals, in 1937, 1947, 1993 and 2008
I can't equate your guests closing statements about newly elected officials, their global racism - and such - delaying the end of the suffering of the Palestinian people? What about the CURRENT world governments that have been aiding and abetting their suffering?
Before the Arab empire in the 7th century the region population was estimated to be between 1 and 1.5 million, by the end of the Arab Empire in 1516 the estimated population was 300 000. The Ottoman Empire also offered lack of prosperity which didn't just showed no increase in population numbers it was why people left which is why the numbers decreased, 334 years later, in 1850 the population was 350 000, 30 years later in 1880 the population as 470 000, in 1900 the population was 493 000, 17 years later in 1917 the end of the Ottoman empire there was 700 000. Look at the dramatic increase in the population on the last legs of the Ottoman Empire, only starting since 1850, that resulted in substantial population increases that are not due to natural births and didn't happen since the 7th century but suddenly equate to these historic natives
It is nearly impossible to beleive that Palestinian people in gaza are willing to live in peace with israeli people after a terrible genocide and destruction
The Ashkenazim, now a minority anyway, can leave - many have multiple citizenships, with a good portion of the squatters (the so-called "settlers") from places like Brooklyn, NY. The remaining Mizrahim will have to adapt, which shouldn't be a problem - theirs is basically an Arabic culture, with its various customs and varied cuisine, anyway.
Are you that ignorant!? No, seriously. The largest population of Jewish people in West Asia outside of the entity is Iran. All three major religious sects lived together in peace in Palestine until a secular political cult and its land project (lebensraum) came along. Palestinians are semites, and have semitic blood. They would have then been the first converts to Christianity (many are Christian still), and more recently to Islam. See how the Palestinian diaspora live with other areas: huge populations Chicago, LA, Detroit. My lovely neighbors. Someone has put some really negative notions into your head. You should visit Jackson Heights, Queens and experience some social trust firsthand: it is the most diverse neighborhood in the world. People get along well. I've seen the most random acts of human kindness there on the way to La Guardia.
at one point The Kimberley's in north west Australia was proposed as a possible safe homeland for Jews. I saw proof of this around 1990 in a library in Perth (west Australia). I lost some copies I made at the time. Does anybody know anything more about this?
Narrated Zainab bint Jahsh: The Prophet (ﷺ) got up from his sleep with a flushed red face and said, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah. Woe to the Arabs, from the Great evil that is nearly approaching them. Today a gap has been made in the wall of Gog and Magog like this." (Sufyan illustrated by this forming the number 90 or 100 with his fingers.) It was asked, "Shall we be destroyed though there are righteous people among us?" The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Yes, if evil increased."
Must watch complete to know what going on with Palestine 🇵🇸 and the rest of Arabs world! But in conclusion Europeans and Descendants Zionist Jews and Christians work together and we must not trust any one of them! The motto of the evils Devils is to divide and rule and try to involve like India 🇮🇳 etc on their side!
"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not." -- Arab Princeton Professor, Philip Hitti, before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry in Jerusalem in 1946. "Such a creature as Palestine does not exist at all." (Ahmad Shukan , Saudi Ambassador to the UN, 1956) In 1937, Secretary of the Arab Higher Committee to the British Peel Commission, Awni Abd al-Hadi stated: “There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented.” "We [Palestinians] were never an independent state in history, we were part of an Arab state and an Islamic state.” -- Palestinian Hamas Foreign Minister Mahmoud Zahhar (quoted in The Economist, February 2, 2008) "Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria." Syrian President Hafez al-Assad [Addressing the Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization Yasser Arafat during a meeting with leaders of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in 1976] "The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new tool to continue the fight against Israel and for Arab unity." Zahir Muhsein, Palestinian leader of the pro-Syria As-Sa'iqa Ba'athist faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization between 1971 and 1979, in an interview with Trouw Magazine, 31. March 1977
Papa slants his history to suit his perception. In 1948 war the Jews were struggling for their survival, still are, but Papan tells it was start of a genocide. The Arab Palestinians could have had the majority share of the region called Palestine (including Jordan) but rather chose Jihad. Bad decision.
Is it if only there weren't settlements, but the problem I stumble across is that there were no settlements prior to 1967, so then why wasn't there peace. Especially since, from 1948 to 1967, a 19-year period, Gaza was held by the Egyptians and Judea and Samaria which became to be known as the West Bank was held by the Jordanians, so I ask myself again, why didn't the Arabs who within this same time frame that identified themselves as Palestinians, didn’t establish an independent state within that newly found identification as a people. I therefore continue to struggle to understand why the Palestinians refused all independent state proposals, in 1937, 1947, 1993 and 2008, but today it seems I am told the Palestinians don't have a state as they have been denied a state.
@@laylaali5977 The Sassanids want their land back, the land that was taken during the Arab Empire, by the Arab Rashidun Caliphate, in 651 CE, all of modern-day land Iran and Iraq and parts of the Arabian Peninsula (particularly Eastern Arabia and South Arabia), as well as the Caucasus, the Levant, and parts of Central Asia and South Asia.
@@laylaali5977 The Arab Empire began and continued to disintegrate more and more pieces break off until the Ottomans basically come along, by that point everything from Morocco to Iraq had transitioned from being mostly not Muslim and not Arab to becoming mostly Muslim and speaking Arabic, so what you ended up with was a huge swath of land that spoke Arabic that had become majority Muslim but ethnically it wasn't Arab
@@laylaali5977 Before the Arab empire in the 7th century the region population was estimated to be between 1 and 1.5 million, by the end of the Arab Empire in 1516 the estimated population was 300 000. The Ottoman Empire also offered lack of prosperity which showed no increase in population numbers, 334 years later, in 1850 the population was 350 000, 30 years later in 1880 the population as 470 000, in 1900 the population was 493 000, 17 years later in 1917 the end of the Ottoman empire there was 700 000. Then from 1917 to 1948, 30 years later, the population grew from 700 000 to around 1.9 million. Look at the dramatic increase in the population on the last legs of the Ottoman Empire and during the mandatory period, that resulted in substantial population increases that are not due to natural births and didn't happen since the 7th century but suddenly equate to these historic natives
At best, Ilan Pappe must be one of the world's sloppiest historians; at worst, one of the most dishonest. To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said: “Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”. So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil. Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue. Also read, "Industry of Lies" by Ben Dror Yemini.
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i just like you to know that this man was found in curt to be a lier
You’re a liar
@@nirprizant4228Israeli curt 😂
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I am another admirer of Prof Ilan Pappe. Although he was a a soldier in the Zionist army in the 1973 war, his conscience made him relinquish Zionism and he became an ardent defender of the Palestinian cause.
Professor Mr Ilan Pappe
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For Humanity
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for this so important informativ and actuell interview !
Pappe is incredible. Respect
So refreshing to listen to this man. He opens rather than closes minds. Appreciated!!
I can listen to Ian Pappe forever, thank you
I agree. As long as truth and honor don't matter. You're like me. We don't give a shit.
@@RichardPepperman-kk9yb Im guessing “the truth” for you is whatever is required for your petty tribal group belonging project?
This is one of the most meaningful interview of Pr. ilan Pappé I've seen so far. Thanks you both!
Pappe, what a gem!!
What a history lesson! Thank you.
Muammar Gaddafi in his speech at the UNGA on Sept 23, 2009 had categorically stated that a two state solution is impossible.
Professor Ilan Pappe is a very great historian and a wonderful person. I utterly admire him ❤
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Muammar Gaddafi in his speech at the UNGA on Sept 23, 2009 had categorically stated that a two state solution is impossible.
We love you Ilan!
At best, Ilan Pappe must be one of the world's sloppiest historians; at worst, one of the most dishonest.
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said:
“Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”.
So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil.
Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue. Also read, "Industry of Lies" by Ben Dror Yemini
@Samuel-g9f8f you guys are very good with defamation. You have always used it to drive out whoever reveals the truth.
@@craftspaces4475 Telling the truth is not defamation!
Thank you so much for sharing this great interview with prof Pappe. Punctual questions, and such an accurate historical and contemporary overview.
So happy to watch this interview ❤️Thank you so much for inviting Ilan Pappe. Do much needed to hear this today. Justice must be served. Free Palestine.
I feel so much better after listening to Ilan Pape. He is very passionate about history and very elequent at explaining his perspective on it. ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
What a great informative interview I could listen to Prof Pappe all day 🙏🇵🇸❤️💪
Great interview. thank you for your honest, sensible and practical advice, Prof Pappe! You're a treasure to humanity.
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Thankyou for interviewing a respectable Jewish historian who is factual and unbiased regarding the Palestine question
Hey you guys have been doing a phenomenal job with the speakers and these interviews. Keep it up!!!
Thank you so much for posing such helpful questions to professor Pappe.Everything presented here demonstetes deep concern and respect for discovering the true history.
What a great informative interview I could listen to Prof Pappe all day 🙏🇵🇸❤💪
Great interview. thank you for your honest, sensible and practical advice, Prof Pappe! You're a treasure to humanity.
Hey you guys have been doing a phenomenal job with the speakers and these interviews. Keep it up!!!
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The interviewer is utterly ignorant about this topic.
@@Wehcdh how many more millions people should Israel violently displace in order to expand her borders while maintaining a Jewish majority?
Great interview!
While Pappe is undoubtedly the gem of this interview I have to say that the interviewer is very well prepared and knows how to ask the most pertinent and relevant questions. Thank you for an excellent interview!
So much respect for the inspiring voice of Ilan Pappe.
Thank you for your humanity Mr Ilan pape
Thank you! A happy and peaceful New Year to all people in the world
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Thankyou Ilan
Keep chiming in Jyotishman and Ilan, appreciate it my dear friends.
I am a 73 year old man and I have spent the better part of my life trying to understand why I seem to always feel a certain sadness in my heart. Then I thought, maybe this had something to do with it. Hopefully this story brings out others like me. In 1963 Zionists came to my home in Casablanca Morocco, to convince my parents to send me and my little sister to Israel without them. I was 12 and my sister 9 when we started our miserable journey to the "Promised land". It destroyed our family and left me and my sister with long lasting scars neither one of us has been able to heal. Being from Morocco made it even more difficult to live in a more racist country than Morocco ever was. We had a very peaceful life as Jews living amongst Muslims in Morocco. We understood each other and helped each other. To this day, the principal advisor to King Mohamed is a Jew. But the Zionists needed boddies to fill Israel and slowly claim more and more land from the Palestinians they kept displacing. The people running Israel are not Jews. True Jews would have helped the Palestinians evolve and share in their fortunes, like we did for centuries in the Arab world. Israel claims it is defending itself? Against whom? The people they have been displacing and opressing for 80 years? Israel, my advice to you, if you want to survive, get rid of the religious zealots who run your government and join the 21st century.
Great genuine talk
So sorry what happened to you and your sister at such a young age 😢 how cruel
7 Oct? Can you go back to Morocco?
Thank you for sharing an important lesson of your life experience.
I we'll never
Never know d whole truth.Sad.
I love this channel! Thank you so much for sharing 🇵🇸
Enlightening ecplanation from dearest Professor Pop.
Wunderbarer Mensch 🙏🏼 Ilan Pappe ☮️🕊🇵🇸⚖️
There's hope for peace and freedom at the end of the chapter. A dim light at the end of the tunnel, so to speak.
God bless Palestine and Palestinians.
Amén 🙏.
You guys are doing amazing work! Keep it up!
What a GREAT GREAT HISTORIAN, PROF ALLAN PAPPE, we citizens of the world 🌎 are truly honored 🎖 to have you in our Lifetime.. May GOD bless & always keep you safe ❤❤❤❤
Super interview merci
Thank you for an excellent job
Thank you. Subscribed.
I discovered your channel recently.
I really enjoy it.
That honorable man needs to be protected! Thank you from the bottom of my heart, M. Pappe!
Great discussion! The good man is full of wisdom. I added this to my favorite playlist
At best, Ilan Pappe must be one of the world's sloppiest historians; at worst, one of the most dishonest.
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said:
“Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”.
So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil.
Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue. Also read, "Industry of Lies" by Ben Dror Yemini
Ilan Pappe and Norm Finkelstein are the two scholars that are must follows on this history of this clusterf---
They're far from being the only ones nowadays... Definitely among the first and most popular, most influential references, though, in terms of serious, reliable academic research. Two honest, brave, beautiful humans above all.
Thanks for a great interview
Good discussion and the interviewer did a good job, asking some useful informed questions and not interrupting too much. Well done India Global Left. Pappe has great insights.
Brilliant stream and brilliant guest speaker ❤, thank you 🙏🏽
Thanks
Excellent program
Danke Prof. Pappe, wenn ich Ihnen zuhöre denke ich an Nathan den Weisen (Gottfried Ephraim Lessing) ob Jude, Christ oder Moslem, was ist der einzelne mehr als ein Mensch. Sie sind ein Mensch und daher ein großer Trost in dieser die Menschlichkeit mordenden Welt.
Excellent ! Merci pour le sous-titrage en français !
Great channel, great interview with Ilan Pape. However, can you please reconsider your income generation strategy? The interviews get hijacked by advertisements. If you are pulled away from your computer, you end up listening to 15-min commercials.
We have Patreon where you can experience ad-free content for a minimal amount. We are offering 50% discount to our patreon membership.
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people need to be paid for the service they provide. if you want add free stuff paying usually 5 dollars direct to patreon is a good way to make sure creators get paid while not needing to deal with ads
Thank you
Thank you 🙏🏼
Great jewish man
ILAN PAPPE : magistral et indispensable !! Francesca Albanese : prix Nobel de la paix !!!
Thumbs up are the only currensy i have, currently, all for you and your fine program.
Unbiased deep knowledge of the rigion and its history would be ok.
I would like to know about the end of oppression to which Ilan referred: how loony will the process of ending last and why does he believe it?
Muammar Gaddafi in his speech at the UNGA on Sept 23, 2009 had categorically stated that a two state solution is impossible.
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"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not." -- Arab Princeton Professor, Philip Hitti, before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry in Jerusalem in 1946.
"Such a creature as Palestine does not exist at all." (Ahmad Shukan , Saudi Ambassador to the UN, 1956)
In 1937, Secretary of the Arab Higher Committee to the British Peel Commission, Awni Abd al-Hadi stated: “There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented.”
"We [Palestinians] were never an independent state in history, we were part of an Arab state and an Islamic state.” -- Palestinian Hamas Foreign Minister Mahmoud Zahhar (quoted in The Economist, February 2, 2008)
"Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria." Syrian President Hafez al-Assad [Addressing the Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization Yasser Arafat during a meeting with leaders of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in 1976]
"The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new tool to continue the fight against Israel and for Arab unity." Zahir Muhsein, Palestinian leader of the pro-Syria As-Sa'iqa Ba'athist faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization between 1971 and 1979, in an interview with Trouw Magazine, 31. March 1977
Tiocfaidh lá na bPalaistíneach ✊🏼 Saoirse don Phailaistín ⛓️ Ceartas don Phailaistín 🏛️ 🇵🇸🇮🇪
Igor Berkut brutally lays out what the "new owners" of Ukraine really think about Ukrainians
on YT: Igor Berkut seven years ago about state of Ukraine
The similarity to the uncaring treatment of Palestinians is strong.
At 5:00 mark, the new Ukrainian owners plan to compete with Russia, US, UK, (which are currently sinking), Germany and to reduce the Ukraine population to 4-5 million!
Context - Nationalism
Is an idea and movement that holds that the nation should be congruent with the state. As a movement, it presupposes the existence and tends to promote the interests of a particular nation, especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining its sovereignty over its perceived homeland to create a nation-state. It holds that each nation should govern itself, self-determination, free from outside interference, it further aims to build and maintain a single national identity, based on a combination of shared social characteristics such as culture, ethnicity, geographic location, language, politics, religion, traditions and belief in a shared singular history, and to promote national unity or solidarity. Nationalism, therefore, seeks to preserve and foster a nation's traditional culture.
The reason why all countries are unique and different is because they all subscribe to nationalism in some form, this is why there is the will and desire to travel and immigrate, and therefore the existence of tourism, to experience these different cultures, ethnicity, geographic locations, languages, politics, religions, traditions and beliefs, architecture, cuisine etc.
If we are to unquestionably accept generalised global nationalism, in any shape or form, part or in whole, as we have, including Arab and/or Muslim nationalism (irrespective of Muslims don’t particularly subscribe to nationalism in its entire definition by way of nation-state over community).
Zionism is nothing more than nationalism, the right that Israel exists, if this is difficult to comprehend then let’s for argument sake forget about the word Zionism and talk to the word which we know and relate to, nationalism, are we suggesting and applying a different set of standards upon sovereign Israel, whereby they are to be denied these same universal accepted rights to nationalism, self-determination, identity unquietness, through culture, ethnicity, geographic location, language, politics, religion, traditions and beliefs, architecture, cuisine?
Context - Imperialism and Colonialism
We do the same throughout all the inconvenient timelines of history, just like where we talk about imperialism and colonialism, we pretend a way of the world where the entire world was competing on that very same model in a specific timeline didn’t exit. We pretend that there was only a select group of imperialists and colonialists, that only the Roman and British Empires existed including now a manufactured fictional Jewish Empire that supposedly exists or existed, unclear.
We pretend that the Arab Empire wasn’t the world’s largest empire created at that time, stretching from Spain to Pakistan, we pretend that the Muslim conquests of North Africa didn’t transpire in 7th century, we pretend that the Muslims didn’t invade Spain in the 7th century, we pretend that the Muslims didn’t subjugate Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Mesopotamia and Persia which resulted that from Morocco to Iraq had transitioned from being mostly not Muslim and not Arab to becoming mostly Muslim and speaking Arabic, so what you ended up with was a huge swath of land that spoke Arabic that had become majority Muslim but ethnically it wasn't Arab.
We pretend that between 1453 and 1526 the three largest Muslims empires, that being the Ottomans, Safavid and Mughal, never existed, with conquests across three continents Asia, Africa and Europe.
Y’all really don’t need to be interviewing this settler to learn about Palestine. The man has condemned Hamas and Operation Al-Aqsa Flood and does not speak for Palestinians fighting for liberation against US-led imperialism and zi0nism.
Zuheir Mohsen (1936 - 25 July 1979) was a Palestinian leader of the Syria-controlled faction of the PLO between 1971 and 1979, in his own words below:-
"The Palestinian people does not exist … there is no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese", though Palestinian identity would be emphasised for political reasons. In a March 1977 interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw he stated that "between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese there are no differences. We are all part of one people, the Arab nation [...] Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity. Because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons”.
Fathi Hammad, Minister of Interior and National Security in Gaza, admitted it when he said : “Who are the Palestinians? We are Arabs, we are Muslims, people of Egypt, we are an integral part of you. Personally, my family is half Egyptian and half Saudi. Half of us have an Egyptian surname, like the Masri whose roots are Egyptian: they come from Alexandria, Cairo, Ouimet, the northern Nile Land, Aswan and the Upper -Egypt. The other half comes from neighboring Arab countries”
The Arabs began building an empire in 633 A.D., within 67 years the Arab empire stretched from Spain to Pakistan, it was built fast. Under the Umayyad Caliphate (661-750), was at that time the largest empire the world had yet seen and the seventh largest ever to exist in history. The Empire began and continued to disintegrate more and more pieces break off until the Ottomans basically come along, by that point everything from Morocco to Iraq had transitioned from being mostly not Muslim and not Arab to becoming mostly Muslim and speaking Arabic, so what you ended up with was a huge swath of land that spoke Arabic that had become majority Muslim but ethnically it wasn't Arab. At the end of the Arab Empire and the beginning of the Ottoman Empire the Palestine population had shrunk to an estimated 300 000.
The Sassanids want their land back, the land that was taken during the Arab Empire, by the Arab Rashidun Caliphate, in 651 CE, all of modern-day land Iran and Iraq and parts of the Arabian Peninsula (particularly Eastern Arabia and South Arabia), as well as the Caucasus, the Levant, and parts of Central Asia and South Asia.
GET RID OF THAT AI THUMBNAIL. It is beneath this channel.
Done. Thanks
@@IndiaGlobalLeft Thank you so much. Much respect.
Where did the Grand Mufti Mohammed Amin al-Husseini spend the better part of WWII? Was he not in Germany cosying up to Hitler and the Nazi’s and did he not visit the Trebbin concentration camp in 1943? There were discussions that took place between Hitler and the Grand Mufti Mohammed Amin al-Husseini, what does the recorded transcripts say they discussed?
Was the Zionist Terrorist group, Lehi, also at the meeting with Hitler too? They wanted to work with the Nazis too even when they were aware of the camps!!
59min mark: Modi left the chat..
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Perhaps Ilan could articulate apartheid precisely and specifically within its proper definition and space it talks to
Apartheid Definition
Apartheid refers to the implementation and maintenance of a system of legalized racial segregation in which one racial group is deprived of political and civil rights. As in the origin of apartheid, contextually this referred to the racial segregation of political and civil rights imposed upon South African citizens within South Africa’s sovereign borders. Does Israel have any such racial segregation laws implemented within the sovereign borders of Israel imposed upon its 9 million Israeli citizens, as was the case in South Africa.
Arab Countries Relations and Views on Palestinians
Most Palestinian refugees live either in the West Bank or Gaza Strip, or the three original "host countries" of Jordan, Lebanon and Syria who unwillingly accepted the first wave of refugees in 1948, these refugees are supported by UNRWA.
Arab states' view of Palestinian refugees has varied over time, Arab governments have often supported the refugees in the name of Arab unity.
However, Arab governments have also frequently "despised" the Palestinian refugees - either viewing them as a threat to demographic balance (as in Lebanon), or because of the "political message of freedom and emancipation that their ‘Palestinian-ness’ carried", or else because in some countries' history Palestinians have been "somewhat associated with strife and unrest”. However, the conferring of citizenship is a sensitive topic.
In October 2023, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi made his toughest remarks yet on Wednesday, saying the current war was not just aimed at fighting Hamas, which rules the Gaza Strip, “but also an attempt to push the civilian inhabitants to ... migrate to Egypt.” He warned this could wreck peace in the region.
Jordan’s King Abdullah II gave a similar message a day earlier, saying, “No refugees in Jordan, no refugees in Egypt.”
Contemptible indeed, that barbaric, cynical murder of Rabbi Yaakov Yisroel Dehan in Jerusalem on 1 July 1924.
Change your crappy ai photo please.
Ottoman Muslim Empire (1516 to 1917)
The Ottoman Empire wasn't Arab it was ruled by Turks but most of the land that the Turks ruled was Arab this having a minority Turkish population ruling over a majority Arab population. The Ottoman Empire does very well militarily and conquers out a huge chunk of land achieving their stated goal to recreating the Roman Empire but it would be a Muslim Roman Empire and they effectively did just that, they conquered a swath of land that was roughly comparable to the Roman Empires but a little bit bigger and it stretched out into other places that the Romans didn't stretch out into but was missing the Northwest chunk of the Roman Empire.
The Ottoman Empire would eventually go into decline while also not keeping up with European technologically, if you were to go back to the 16th century the Ottoman Empire was way ahead of Europe, it was the 18th / 19th century where the Ottoman Empire started to lag behind Europe, where Europe surpassed it in terms of technology and fighting ability. The Ottoman Empire by World War I was in trouble and had lost the vast majority of its territory at the outbreak of World War I. At the end of World War I, what the Ottoman Empire had left was the western coast of what is now Saudi Arabia, it had the eastern coast of what is now Saudi Arabia but not all of it, it had what is now Iraq, it had what is now Palestine and Israel, it had what is now Syria and Lebanon and what is now turkey.
چرا ناراحتی اسلام عرب و جهود به امریکا مربوط میشه که امریکا کنترل آسیا را داشه باشه چرا❤
En español por favor?
Fall of Ottoman Empire & Middle East Countries & Independence
The Ottomans ruled the region until 1917, after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, while under Mandatory Palestine, the greater Middle East countries were created and defined by the modern-day borders, names and independence, as we know them today.
At the end of WWII there was numerous border changes globally and resulted in 40 to 60 million displaced. This included the likes of Pakistan, in 1947, a huge swath of Indian land was taken to form a Muslim country called Pakistan, this resulted in 16 million people being displaced. The founding of Israel was merely a small part of this broader global process happening at the same time within this specific region which included the independence of most Middle East countries.
• Saudi Arabia became an independent state in 1932
• Iraq became an independent state in 1932
• Lebanon became an independent state in 1943
• Egypt became an independent state in 1945
• Jordan became an independent state 1946
• Syria became an independent state in 1946
• Israel became an independent state in 1948
• Yemen became an independent state in 1967
• Qatar became an independent state in 1971
• Iran became an independent state in 1979,
The Arabs (“Palestinians”) refused all independent state proposals, in 1937, 1947, 1993 and 2008
Many good points consider adding that Israel refused every Palestinian independent state proposal as well.
@@josephsmokowski937 Israel currently does not support the idea, though it has in the past
Good interview, but your theme music is really bad
I can't equate your guests closing statements about newly elected officials, their global racism - and such - delaying the end of the suffering of the Palestinian people?
What about the CURRENT world governments that have been aiding and abetting their suffering?
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I love leftists.
Before the Arab empire in the 7th century the region population was estimated to be between 1 and 1.5 million, by the end of the Arab Empire in 1516 the estimated population was 300 000. The Ottoman Empire also offered lack of prosperity which didn't just showed no increase in population numbers it was why people left which is why the numbers decreased, 334 years later, in 1850 the population was 350 000, 30 years later in 1880 the population as 470 000, in 1900 the population was 493 000, 17 years later in 1917 the end of the Ottoman empire there was 700 000. Look at the dramatic increase in the population on the last legs of the Ottoman Empire, only starting since 1850, that resulted in substantial population increases that are not due to natural births and didn't happen since the 7th century but suddenly equate to these historic natives
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Are you been paid by the cia or israel?
It is nearly impossible to beleive that Palestinian people in gaza are willing to live in peace with israeli people after a terrible genocide and destruction
The Ashkenazim, now a minority anyway, can leave - many have multiple citizenships, with a good portion of the squatters (the so-called "settlers") from places like Brooklyn, NY.
The remaining Mizrahim will have to adapt, which shouldn't be a problem - theirs is basically an Arabic culture, with its various customs and varied cuisine, anyway.
“They don’t want to ethnically cleanse the Jews, they’re not talking about genociding the Jews.” You sure about that that?
Are you that ignorant!? No, seriously. The largest population of Jewish people in West Asia outside of the entity is Iran. All three major religious sects lived together in peace in Palestine until a secular political cult and its land project (lebensraum) came along. Palestinians are semites, and have semitic blood. They would have then been the first converts to Christianity (many are Christian still), and more recently to Islam. See how the Palestinian diaspora live with other areas: huge populations Chicago, LA, Detroit. My lovely neighbors. Someone has put some really negative notions into your head. You should visit Jackson Heights, Queens and experience some social trust firsthand: it is the most diverse neighborhood in the world. People get along well. I've seen the most random acts of human kindness there on the way to La Guardia.
at one point The Kimberley's in north west Australia was proposed as a possible safe homeland for Jews. I saw proof of this around 1990 in a library in Perth (west Australia). I lost some copies I made at the time. Does anybody know anything more about this?
You sell it then want to remain there.
Yes makes sense 🙃
1Hour learning over 100 years of history is incredibe, I wish I heard this long ago 🙏
You are a fool
Narrated Zainab bint Jahsh:
The Prophet (ﷺ) got up from his sleep with a flushed red face and said, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah. Woe to the Arabs, from the Great evil that is nearly approaching them. Today a gap has been made in the wall of Gog and Magog like this." (Sufyan illustrated by this forming the number 90 or 100 with his fingers.) It was asked, "Shall we be destroyed though there are righteous people among us?" The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Yes, if evil increased."
Must watch complete to know what going on with Palestine 🇵🇸 and the rest of Arabs world!
But in conclusion Europeans and Descendants Zionist Jews and Christians work together and we must not trust any one of them!
The motto of the evils Devils is to divide and rule and try to involve like India 🇮🇳 etc on their side!
It’s not him in the picture
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What an unprofessional starting point
Pappé really needs to invest in some kind of mic. Even a low-grade one would be better than this.
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"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not." -- Arab Princeton Professor, Philip Hitti, before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry in Jerusalem in 1946.
"Such a creature as Palestine does not exist at all." (Ahmad Shukan , Saudi Ambassador to the UN, 1956)
In 1937, Secretary of the Arab Higher Committee to the British Peel Commission, Awni Abd al-Hadi stated: “There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented.”
"We [Palestinians] were never an independent state in history, we were part of an Arab state and an Islamic state.” -- Palestinian Hamas Foreign Minister Mahmoud Zahhar (quoted in The Economist, February 2, 2008)
"Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria." Syrian President Hafez al-Assad [Addressing the Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization Yasser Arafat during a meeting with leaders of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in 1976]
"The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new tool to continue the fight against Israel and for Arab unity." Zahir Muhsein, Palestinian leader of the pro-Syria As-Sa'iqa Ba'athist faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization between 1971 and 1979, in an interview with Trouw Magazine, 31. March 1977
Papa slants his history to suit his perception.
In 1948 war the Jews were struggling for their survival, still are, but Papan tells it was start of a genocide.
The Arab Palestinians could have had the majority share of the region called Palestine (including Jordan) but rather chose Jihad.
Bad decision.
Silly Hussy-Barra, your Z-ï-0-ñ-îßt terrorists murdered Rabbi Yaakov Yisroel Dehan in Jerusalem on 1 July 1924.
Is it if only there weren't settlements, but the problem I stumble across is that there were no settlements prior to 1967, so then why wasn't there peace. Especially since, from 1948 to 1967, a 19-year period, Gaza was held by the Egyptians and Judea and Samaria which became to be known as the West Bank was held by the Jordanians, so I ask myself again, why didn't the Arabs who within this same time frame that identified themselves as Palestinians, didn’t establish an independent state within that newly found identification as a people. I therefore continue to struggle to understand why the Palestinians refused all independent state proposals, in 1937, 1947, 1993 and 2008, but today it seems I am told the Palestinians don't have a state as they have been denied a state.
Bs Israel took 1948 what is southern Israel people in Gaza came from southern Israel which was part of the 45 percent of the Palestine
@@laylaali5977 The Sassanids want their land back, the land that was taken during the Arab Empire, by the Arab Rashidun Caliphate, in 651 CE, all of modern-day land Iran and Iraq and parts of the Arabian Peninsula (particularly Eastern Arabia and South Arabia), as well as the Caucasus, the Levant, and parts of Central Asia and South Asia.
@@laylaali5977 The Arab Empire began and continued to disintegrate more and more pieces break off until the Ottomans basically come along, by that point everything from Morocco to Iraq had transitioned from being mostly not Muslim and not Arab to becoming mostly Muslim and speaking Arabic, so what you ended up with was a huge swath of land that spoke Arabic that had become majority Muslim but ethnically it wasn't Arab
@@laylaali5977 Before the Arab empire in the 7th century the region population was estimated to be between 1 and 1.5 million, by the end of the Arab Empire in 1516 the estimated population was 300 000. The Ottoman Empire also offered lack of prosperity which showed no increase in population numbers, 334 years later, in 1850 the population was 350 000, 30 years later in 1880 the population as 470 000, in 1900 the population was 493 000, 17 years later in 1917 the end of the Ottoman empire there was 700 000. Then from 1917 to 1948, 30 years later, the population grew from 700 000 to around 1.9 million. Look at the dramatic increase in the population on the last legs of the Ottoman Empire and during the mandatory period, that resulted in substantial population increases that are not due to natural births and didn't happen since the 7th century but suddenly equate to these historic natives
This is one of the most unprofessional interviews I’ve ever seen in my life
Pappe's problem is that he is completely unhinged & mentally-deficient lunatik.
A very sloppy historian who invents how own fake facts.
Papa's course in selective, cherry picking history.
Prof, huh?
He got his PhD in Clownology.
At best, Ilan Pappe must be one of the world's sloppiest historians; at worst, one of the most dishonest.
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said:
“Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”.
So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil.
Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue. Also read, "Industry of Lies" by Ben Dror Yemini.