Could we love this man more??? Through all kinds of self-discomfort,he kept going to bring us some remarkable info that helps us understand so much more clearly...A wisdom and understanding beyond measure..Thank you both so much for an incredible conversation,quite lovely
I'm reading it right now as well. Amazing work. For a much different psychological approach, see "Our God is Your God Too, But He Has Chosen Us": Essays on Jewish Power
Pappé is wrong about evangelical Christians Zionists were hell-bent on blasting their way into Palestine, and the opinion of those evangelical Christians had nothing whatever to do with the intention of the Zionists to take control of Palestine, by whatever means necessary.
@@serpentines6356 Ilan Pappe is a Jewish Israeli Historian, that served in the IDF and he used to be a Zionist. Then, he became a historian , and wrote books on the history, using IDF and Israeli government documents, and he became pro-Palestine . How is he "way off" ? He has the most well informed and most accurate position on the matter. He has evidence of what is true and what are lies. He's in the best position in the world to sit as judge on the matter. There is no human being on planet earth that is better (accurately) informed on the topic than Ilan Pappe. If you disagree with him, then YOU are the one that is "way off". Ilan Pappe , did research as a proud Jewish Israeli Zionist , and he went though Israeli government documents and IDF documents and interviewed many retired IDF soldiers . And what he learned , (and published for all to see) turned him against Zionism . Who are you to say that he is " way off " ? He is by any measure , the MOST CORRECT person, on this topic.
Thank you very much for bringing Ilan Pappe on. I am currently reading a second book of his "Lobbying for Zionism" but it is the first time I have seen him life in person rather than just pictures. What a person of knowledge, wisdom and humanity.
@@samim9533 How exactly? lets look at historical truths, name for me 1 Jewish settlement on stolen arab land PRIOR to the 1948 war that the arabs started, Jews never stole any land while the muslims always started wars even before the state of Israel like the massacre of 1920, 1929,1933, 1936, and t he Jerusalem arab mufti who helped hitler in Germany
Thank you MEE, I love your journalists, kind, educated, intelligent and respectful who bring a lot of light in these dark times. Thank you also for bringing a variety of guests that enrich your podcast. Thank you Ilan Pappé for sharing your thoughts and possible solutions in your usual pragmatic way.
@@spitefulbob9254 @spitefulbob9254 I'm just saying that he's not helping. The narrative of victimhood is only helping to perpetuate the conflict, the terror and the suffering for the Palestinians.
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said: “Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”. So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil. Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
@@JawboneDonky >> At best, Ilan Pappe must be one of the world’s sloppiest historians; at worst, one of the most dishonest. In truth, he probably merits a place somewhere between the two[...] driven by something other than linguistic and historiographical accuracy.
@@xprcloud Keep crying boy ,whole world has awaken and knows the true history how the FAKE Jews the zionists has stolen Palestine by massacring the natives,your days are over zionist's lies don't work no more.......
@@xprcloudIs this the best terrorist Hasbara psy-op talking point you have? You accusing someone of whatever your fairy tale mind comes up with to justify your love of Genocide and we should believe you, take your cultist word for it? 😂😂😂 Honey, you have no idea how ridiculous you sound... 😂😂😂
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said: “Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”. So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil. Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
@@mehmetemin1535 Your delusional. Pappe is mentally unhinged. He fabricates his own historical data and then writes books of counterfactual rubbish (presenting his stuff as real).
Thank you for this brilliant exposition. I was moved by the pragmatism, the inevitability of decolonization, the objectivity and the hope sounded by Ilan Pappe ❤
Shaaban al-Dalu... a young man from Gaza whose tent was bombed by Israeli planes while he was sleeping with his family... camera lenses filmed him dying in flames... yes, the fire consumed his body in front of the whole world... how can we forget what we saw??!..
Six year old little Hind Rajab calling for help from the Palestinian Red Crescent... all were mowed down by the IDF - we cannot un-see, un-hear, un-feel, un-know the crimes against humanity and not feel total disbelief that this genocide and this barbarism are still allowed to continue.
You people are so frustrated that the Israelis are humiliating their enemies in the battlefield. How many times do we have to humiliate you to make you learn? Arab countries couldn't even win in 1948 when when Jews were a ragtag militia without airforce, navy, barely any armored vehicles, and much less international support. Modern day Israel is a nuclear-armed state with perhaps the most technologically advanced army in the world. The side who has full control of over sky, wins the war. Guess what. It's not 1940's anymore. We don't need a permission to stay alive and live in our ancestral homeland! We will defend ourselves by all means, on all fronts. When Jews speak, you will listen. You WILL learn.
"Only the Creator Can Save You Already in a grave calamity, yet you cannot see Only by returning to tradition can you be saved and washed clean You are harming yourself with modern notions and conduct The red demon deceives you with atheism and evolution Formation, stability, degeneration, and disintegration are laws-the cosmos is dissolving Humans and Gods are all in danger, no one feels secure Most people are Gods incarnate, coming here to take refuge Awaiting the Creator to renew the cosmos and save all beings In colossal danger, only He can save you, none can compare December 10, 2017" Master Li Hongzhi (Hong Yin VI, from Falun Dafa teachings)
Ferchbran, me to and I feel the same way. I am quite ashamed of my government over the atrocities happening in Palestine and the innocent children and of course all the Palestinians involved. 😭
In a hill village in Crete the locals question whether the Israeli and Jewish people (two separate but overlapping groups) have bad intentions towards them. A normal stance given the history of Palestine.
@@dirkdiggler6230 what he mentioned was a sliver of coastal land,Josephus also mentioned it in his writings. It wasn’t a region as is now. Judea and Samaria were the names for that part of the land. Before that it was known as Canaan land
You and 99.9 of the world live in the Tueman Show...Carlos Munoz' Ferrada's Herculobus is our Sun's Binary Solar System...Only a handful of Civilains know, this world is about to be sent back (AGAIN) to the Stone Age..
You people are so frustrated that the Israelis are humiliating their enemies in the battlefield. How many times do we have to humiliate you to make you learn? Arab countries couldn't even win in 1948 when when Jews were a ragtag militia without airforce, navy, barely any armored vehicles, and much less international support. Modern day Israel is a nuclear-armed state with perhaps the most technologically advanced army in the world. The side who has full control of over sky, wins the war. Guess what. It's not 1940's anymore. We don't need a permission to stay alive and live in our ancestral homeland! We will defend ourselves by all means, on all fronts. When Jews speak, you will listen. You WILL learn.
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said: “Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”. So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil. Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
A wonderful interview of an incredibly knowledgeable and insightful historian of Israel and the Middle East! Professor Pappe has a depth of understanding about Israel and Palestine that few others possess. It is tragic that no one in the Israeli government has the depth of understanding about these critically important matters, that Ilan Pappe clearly does. I suspect that Ilan’s analysis of where things are going , is on point, but in the interim , countless thousands of Palestinians will continue to suffer unimaginable hardships and sacrifices , and many will pay with their lives, due to the inhumane and brutal treatment being dealt them by their Israeli occupiers. It is incomprehensible that the West stays silent as this ongoing genocide and mass extermination proceeds forward, and only due to the West’s facilitating the perpetuation of this horrific nightmare! Thank you for inviting Ilan Pappe on to your wonderful podcast as a guest. His knowledge, and keen insights about what is going on in Palestine, has helped to significantly inform and enlighten us all about the current situation in the Middle East. Thank you for giving Ilan the opportunity to share his ideas with all of us!
Read 'The Ethnice Cleansing of Palestine' by Ilan and it illuminated my understanding of the truth of what happened, the injustices causing all of the issues there today. Please read it and educate yourselves...God bless him!
Ethnice Cleansing and genocide committed by Muslims against Jews since the 7th century... And Hamas wants to continue this genocide against the Jews.... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_tribes_of_Arabia 622 - 627: Ethnic cleansing of Jews from Mecca and Medina, (Jewish boys were executed.) 629: 1st Alexandria Massacres, Egypt. 622 - 634: extermination of the 14 Arabian Jewish tribes. Early Muslim conquests resulted in the exile of the Banu Qainuqa and Banu Nadir, two of the main three Jewish tribes from Medina, and the mass execution of all male adults of the Banu Qurayza clan. 822 - 861: Islamic empire passes law that Jews must wear yellow stars, (later adopted in Nazi Germany), Caliph al-Mutawakkil. 1106: Ali Ibn Yousef Ibn Tashifin of Merakesh decrees death penalty for any local Jew, including his Jewish Physician, and Military general. 1033: 1st Fez Pogrom, Morocco. 1148: Almohadin of Morocco gives Jews the choice of converting to Islam, or expulsion. 1066: Granada Massacre, Muslim occupied Spain. 1165 - 1178: Jews nation wide were given the choice (under new constitution) convert to Islam or die, Yemen. 1165: chief Rabbi of the Moghreb burnt alive. the Rambam flees for Egypt. 1220: 10s of thousands of Jews killed by Muslims after being blamed for Mongol invasion, Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Egypt. 1270: Sultan Baibars of Egypt resolved to burn all the Jews, a ditch having been dug for that purpose; but at the last moment he repented, and instead exacted a heavy tribute, during the collection of which many perished. 1276: 2nd Fez Pogrom, Morocco. 1385: Khorasan Massacres, Iran. 1438: 1st Mellah Ghetto Massacres, North Africa. 1465: 3rd Fez Pogrom, Morocco (11 Jews left alive.) 1517: 1st Safed Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine. 1517: 1st Hebron Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine. Marsa ibn Ghazi Massacre, Ottoman Libya. 1577: Passover Massacre, Ottoman Empire.1588 - 1629: Mahalay Pogroms, Iran. 1630 - 1700: Yemenite Jews were considered "impure" and thus forbidden to touch a Muslim or a Muslim's food. They were obligated to humble themselves before a Muslim, to walk to the left side, and greet him first. They could not build houses higher than a Muslim's or ride a camel or horse, and when riding on a mule or a donkey, they had to sit sideways. Upon entering the Muslim quarter a Jew had to take off his foot-gear and walk barefoot. If attacked with stones or fists by Islamic youth, a Jew was not allowed to defend himself. 1660: 2nd Safed Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine. 1670: Mawza expultion, Yemen. 1679 - 1680: Sanaa Massacres, Yemen. 1747: Mashhad Masacres, Iran. 1785: Tripoli Porom, Ottoman Libya. 1790 - 92: Tetouan Pogrom. Morocco. (Jews of Tetouan stripped naked, and lined up for Muslim perverts.) 1800: new decree passed in Yemen, that Jews are forbidden to wear new clothing, or good clothing. Jews are forbidden to ride mules or donkeys, and were occasionally rounded up for long marches naked through the Roob al Khali dessert. 1805: 1st Algeris Pogrom, Ottoman Algeria. 1808 2nd 1438: 1st Mellah Ghetto Massacres, North Africa. 1815: 2nd Algeris Pogrom, Ottoman Algeria. 1820: Sahalu Lobiant Massacres, Ottoman Syria. 1828: Baghdad Pogrom, Ottoman Iraq. 1830: 3rd Algeris Pogrom, Ottoman Algeria. 1830: ethnic cleansing of Jews in Tabriz, Iran. 1834: 2nd Hebron Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine. 1834: Safed Pogrom, Ottoman Palestne. 1839: Massacre of the Mashadi Jews, Iran. 1840: Damascus, ritual killings (Muslims, along with french Christians kidnapped, tortured, and killed Jewish Children for entertainment), Ottoman Syria. 1840: blood libels introduced to the Muslim world from Europe. 1844: 1st Cairo Massacres, Ottoman Egypt. 1847: Dayr al-Qamar Pogrom, Ottoman Lebanon. 1847: ethnic cleansing of the Jews in Jerusalem, Ottoman Palestine. 1848: 1st Damascus Pogrom, Syria. 1850: 1st Aleppo Pogrom, Ottoman Syria. 1860: 2nd Damascus Pogrom, Ottoman Syria. 1862: 1st Beirut Pogrom, Ottoman Lebanon. 1866: Kuzguncuk Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey. 1867: Barfurush Massacre, Ottoman Turkey. 1868: Eyub Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey. 1869: Tunis Massacre, Ottoman Tunisia. 1869: Sfax Massacre, Ottoman Tunisia. 1864 - 1880: Marrakesh Massacre, Morocco. 1870: 2nd Alexandria Massacres, Ottoman Egypt. 1870: 1st Istanbul Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey. 1871: 1st Damanhur Massacres,Ottoman Egypt. 1872: Edrine Massacres, Ottoman Turkey. 1872: 1st Izmir Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey. 1873: 2nd Damanhur Massacres, Ottoman Egypt. 1874: 2nd Izmir Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey. 1874: 2nd Istanbul Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey. 1874: 2nd Beirut Pogrom,Ottoman Lebanon. 1875: 2nd Aleppo Pogrom, Ottoman Syria. 1875: Jerba Island Massacre, Ottoman Tunisia. 1877: 3rd Damanhur Massacres,Ottoman Egypt. 1877: Mansura Pogrom, Ottoman Egypt. 1882: Homs Massacre, Ottoman Syria. 1882: 3rd Alexandria Massacres, Ottoman Egypt. 1890: 2nd Cairo Massacres, Ottoman Egypt. 1890, 3rd Damascus Pogrom, Ottoman Syria. 1891: 4th Damanahur Massacres, Ottoman Egypt. 1897: Tripolitania killings, Ottoman Libya. 1903&1907: Taza & Settat, pogroms, Morocco. 1890: Tunis Massacres, Ottoman Tunisia. 1901 - 1902: 3rd Cairo Massacres, Ottoman Egypt. 1901 - 1907: 4th Alexandria Massacres,Ottoman Egypt. 1903: 1st Port Sa'id Massacres, Ottoman Egypt. 1903 - 1940: Pogroms of Taza and Settat, Morocco. 1907: Casablanca, pogrom, Morocco. 1908: 2nd Port Said Massacres,Ottoman Egypt. 1910: Shiraz blood libel. 1911: Shiraz Pogrom. 1912: 4th Fez , Pogrom, Morocco. 1917: Baghdadi Jewish Inquisition, Ottoman Empire. 1918 - 1948: law passed making it illegal to raise an orphan Jewish, Yemen. 1920: Irbid Massacres: British mandate Palestine. 1920 - 1930: Arab riots, British mandate Palestine. 1921: 1st Jaffa riots, British mandate Palestine. 1922: Djerba Massacres, Tunisia. 1928: Ikhwan Masacres, Egypt, and British mandate Palestine. 1928: Jewish orphans sold into slavery, and forced to convert t Islam by Muslim Brotherhood, Yemen. 1929: 3rd Hebron Pogrom British mandate Palestine. 1929 3rd Safed Pogrom, British mandate Palestine. 1933: 2nd Jaffa riots, British mandate Palestine. 1934: Thrace Pogroms, Turkey. 1934: 1st Farhud Massacres, Iraq. 1936: 3rd Jaffa riots, British mandate Palestine. 1936: 2nd Farhud Massacres, Iraq. 1941: 3rd Farhud Massacres, Iraq. 1942: Mufti collaboration with the Nazis. plays a part in the final solution. 1942: Struma disaster, Turkey. 1942: Nile delta Pogroms, Egypt. 1938 - 1945: Arab collaboration with the Nazis. 1945: 4th Cairo Massacres, Egypt. 1945: Tripolitania Pogrom, Libya. 1947: Aden Pogroms. 1947: 3rd Aleppo Pogrom, Syria. 1948: "emptying" of the Jewish quarter of Damascus, Syria. 1948: 1st Arab Israeli war (1 out of every 100 Jew was killed.)
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said: “Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”. So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil. Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see what’s Israel is doing right now to come to the conclusion that it is a satanic state carrying out heinous war crimes day in day out, ethnic cleansing and the erasure / genocide of the indigenous peoples of Palestine. If you don’t come to that conclusion given what we can see with our own eyes live-streamed to our phones minute by minute, then maybe your own conscience has left the building.
@@megapurisdnbhd7473 I think his contributions are more beneficial as a historian! Leaders are corrupt to a certain point unfortunately but I get what you mean !
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said: “Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”. So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil. Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
@@bluestar6879 Yes, because doing the rounds in comment sections, making excuses for the mass extermination of your own fellow human beings isn't mad at all.... 👍
"The most powerful form of Lie is Omission; it is the duty of Historians (and Journalists) to make sure that those lies do not creep into the History books" The Orwell Foundation Archives.
Thank you for this excellent episode. Listening to Ilan Pappé feels like a glimmer of hope, a tiny light in the middle of so much darkness. My appreciation to the host, his deep voice and remarkable way of posing the questions.
Dear Palestinians, The world is feeling your pain every single day, we will always stand with you to see you are FREE and live a DIGNIFIED LIFE! 😔🙏❤️🙏😔
"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not." -- Arab Princeton Professor, Philip Hitti, before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry in Jerusalem in 1946. In 1937, Secretary of the Arab Higher Committee to the British Peel Commission, Awni Abd al-Hadi stated: “There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented.” "We [Palestinians] were never an independent state in history, we were part of an Arab state and an Islamic state.” -- Palestinian Hamas Foreign Minister Mahmoud Zahhar (quoted in The Economist, February 2, 2008) "Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria." Syrian President Hafez al-Assad [Addressing the Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization Yasser Arafat during a meeting with leaders of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in 1976] Zahir Muhsein was a Palestinian leader of the pro-Syria As-Sa'iqa Ba'athist faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization between 1971 and 1979. In an interview with Trouw Magazine, 31. March 1977 he stated....."The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new tool to continue the fight against Israel and for Arab unity........................................................
"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not." -- Arab Princeton Professor, Philip Hitti, before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry in Jerusalem in 1946. In 1937, Secretary of the Arab Higher Committee to the British Peel Commission, Awni Abd al-Hadi stated: “There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented.” "We [Palestinians] were never an independent state in history, we were part of an Arab state and an Islamic state.” -- Palestinian Hamas Foreign Minister Mahmoud Zahhar (quoted in The Economist, February 2, 2008) "Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria." Syrian President Hafez al-Assad [Addressing the Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization Yasser Arafat during a meeting with leaders of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in 1976] Zahir Muhsein was a Palestinian leader of the pro-Syria As-Sa'iqa Ba'athist faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization between 1971 and 1979. In an interview with Trouw Magazine, 31. March 1977 he stated....."The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new tool to continue the fight against Israel and for Arab unity.............................................................
@@Rainbows783 'There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Iraqis etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 per cent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one tenth of one per cent. But that is too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today...no matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough''. (Arab writer and historian Joseph Farah in his book Myths of the Middle East October 2000.) "Such a creature as Palestine does not exist at all." (Ahmad Shukan , Saudi Ambassador to the UN, 1956) If Palestine were an Arab state, at any point in recorded history, why was there no mention of them? Because there never was an Arab Palestinian nation, nor any nation called Palestine, ever! In 1964 Yasser Arafat visited Moscow, USSR. While there, the Soviet KGB (secret service) developed a strategy for him. Arafat would be the leader of a new organization named PLO, Palestinian liberation organization. The KGB recommended that the Arabs create a new identity for themselves that would be called Palestinian. So where are the geographical roots of the so called Palestinians??????? Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad, aired by Al-Hekma TV on March 23, 2012. Stated..........we all have Arab roots, and every Palestinian, in Gaza and throughout Palestine, can prove his Arab roots - whether from Saudi Arabia, from Yemen, or anywhere. We have blood ties. Personally, half my family is Egyptian. We are all like that. More than 30 families in the Gaza Strip are called Al-Masri ["Egyptian"]. Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians. The so called Palestinians are not even from the region known as Palestine!!!!!! Salma Fayumi, a resident of Kafr Qasim (Palestin/Israel) confirms Fathi Hammad above statements Salma Fayumi, a resident of Kafr Qasim (Palestin/Israel),spoke on the show "Master Chef." Fayumi proudly showed off her Kushari dish that she prepared, "Egyptian cuisine made of rice and lentil." "My family came from Egypt, from Faiyum, and I am Salma Fayumi from Faiyum," the cook from Kafr Qasim said.
@@007EnglishAcademy The guy belongs in a mental asylum. He fabricates his own historical data. That was why he got kicked out of his history professorship in University of Haifa. That is why around 2000 he was taken to court by pensioners that he accused of doing a massacre in Israel's 1948 war. He lost and had to pay compensation for his defamation.
I have a first hand account of my great great great gradad who was one of the first settlers of New Zealand in 1840, written in his own hand. It chronicles his struggles with the Maori's who turned up on the land he'd been promised back in London to settle. He describes a fight he had with a couple of Maori's with hatchets ,which he came out on top, with about 500 locals looking on. The fight ended with the two Maori's running off, knowing they'd be hunted down by the colonial authorities. The rest gave up on reclaiming their land and dissappeared into the bush.. At first saw this account as a victory for civilisation against the savages, now I'm seeing it in a totally different light.. At the same time I look at it from his own point of view, back in the day and it really was a struggle of the enlightened from his eyes.. Interestingly he went on to have good relations with th Maori, hunting etc with them but no thought to what he taken from them.. I guess this is largely how the Israeli's look at the Palestinians. They're surplus to requirements so they should just go away..
@@Spk-r6x how come Arabs live there before the jews if they came from the ARABIAN peninsula... The "palestinians" have nothing to do with previous peoples that inhabited that land... The name comes from the Phillistines (plishtim in Hebrew , which means invaders) a people that came from the shores of Greece and were an enemy of ancient Jews... The Romans named the place Palestine after they kicked the Jews out and the Arabs took the name "palestinians" and invented a national identity to convince idiots like you lol
I will be one of the many at the march for Palestine at Parliament Square tomorrow. Illan Pappé is an inspiration as is the wonderful Palestinian academic, Ghada Karmi. One democretic state, from the river to the sea❤
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Yes and your citizens watched and did nothing. Your politicians are bought and paid for. Slaves of Israel. Surely the people should rise and stop this by inserting something in your constitution. What sort of democracy is this ..!
Professor Pappe is a Genius! Thank you for hosting him. He’s one of the most respected historians of our times and for many generations to come.. thank you, Professor!
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said: “Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”. So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil. Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
Thank you so much for this fascinating and important interview and conversation. I am never tired of listening to the analysis and reading the work of prof Pappe. So inspiring. Thank you MEE!!!!
@@georgka74 To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said: “Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”. So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil. Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
Please keep up the very good work, Bringing Sir Ilan Pappe to this channel, it’s privileged episode. Ilan Pappe is the pioneer recording the Palestinian ethnic cleansing by the Apartheid state of the Zionists. Anyone wondering who is this gentleman, just read his book called The Ethnic Cleansing.
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said: “Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”. So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil. Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
The Jewish historian, Avi Shlaim, has written books and has been interviewed about Iraqi Jews and their expulsion from Iraq and how they were initially not well accepted in Israeli society.
Thank you so very much. I listened to this 5 times and will listen more times because it is so rich in information and helped me visualize rather than just words!
Terrific interview - bravo to journalist Mohamed Hassan, it is wonderful to hear Professor Pappe speak at length about the issue, and give some hope for a better future...
It is extremely rare to hear a complex, emotional issue discussed with calm and rational reference to undisputable historical facts. I wish politicians or media pundits could discuss issues in such a mature manner, or imagine themselves in the other person's shoes.
Let’s be honest for once. Jewish pioneers were coming to Pls were not under European threats at all. They were the source of the threats. They even were not getting along with the existing Pls jews either. No intermarriage, not living in the same neighborhood, separate business. They were Europeans and Russians opposition groups who wanted to have their own sets of rules. Not Europeans, not Arabs, not Judaism, not Christians, but taking something from each. They were Living like separatists enforced by militia. That is why they couldn’t integrate to any society even by now unless they are dispersed among other nations. That is what Hetzl told you in his book. We don’t get along with anyone even ourselves. Look at their messy political systems!
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said: “Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”. So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil. Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
Excellent interview. So much to learn from Illan Pepe. America is missing out so much by ignoring such intelligent saint like human being. We need people like him to make America great.
Thank you so much for this refreshing conversation on such a painful subject. It was fascinating, as is every interview with Ilan Pape, but also a much gentler experience than those clashing conversations when everyone speaks at once and competes to have the microphone and insists on their view being the right view. Of course, the ‘right view’ was agreed upon here, but without sensationalism, triumphalistic crowing. Instead there was compassion, where it was due, an acknowledgement of both sides, backed by an in-depth knowledge of what has led us to this point. Thank you from my heart.
I agree. It should All be Palestine, Only, Because the Only People in The (Fake State Of Israel) are ZIONIST Talmudists, Not The Real Torah Jews, Who have made it Clear that....They were to WAIT until Their God Gathered them into The land ( Scripturally). That is The Report from The Jews in America that HAS NEVER wanted Anything to do with The False "State" of Israel. "They" are "Somebody's Wicked Project"
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said: “Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”. So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil. Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
What Ilan has to say is so enlightening; his account of the many convergent /divergent political interests that have formed the state of Israel is invaluable. Huge thanks to MEE, as always , for platforming the indispensable historian of Israel : and love as well.
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said: “Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”. So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil. Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
Easily the best conversation I've witnessed Ilan Pappé participate in. The interviewer does so in a very lucid and astute way, I think that Pappé found the interview very useful from an educational perspective... He is a professor, he is an intellectual, ... he's addressing us, his core constituency, to help us understand Israel and it's supporters, so we can be more than witnesses... we can be learned participants.
Pappe is an intelligent educated ethical and eloquent speaker and advocate for social justice . He amongst other great thinkers and advocates like Noam Chomsky have made sacrifices and are worthy of more recognition by the middle-east media, and social interaction platforms. Thank you Pappe, you bring a glimpse of hope in a very dark world .
The US basically took over the colonial assets that the French and a Germans held around the world as war bounty in addition to forming a special relationship with 🇬🇧 to co-manage the vast colonies under British rule (with the UK shifting to a subordinate position). US not only took over the foreign colonies but also setup a new and sophisticated colonial system to colonise Western Europe..eventually 🇺🇸 also decided to setup the EU in order to increase the level of control as time passed and opinions became more pluralistic and non-conforming. The EU project ensured that power was removed from the individual states while simultaneously creating a situation where country level politicians could be both emasculated and seduced with positions in European, international and NATO institutions. That is maybe one of the reasons why Europe is going against its own interests and its traditionally preferred sense (or at least the appearance) of reasonableness to become a shameless supporter of genocide. European governments tolerated environmental groups such as Extinction Rebellion despite months of road blocks….while very rapidly moving to beatings and arrests etc of simple student protestors or social media activists etc. It’s a level of oppression and dictatorship that’s above what Europe accused the old Soviet Union or countries like Iraq..or even more shamelessly accused non-expansionist nations like Iran of being.
Interesting analysis, also very depressing and annoying to realise I've been duped for 50 years, by lobbies etc with almost total media (and therefore government) control.
Big love for Illan from Ireland. Have had the privilege of meeting him twice.
And it is my privilege to read your comments!
I'm jealous😊
Israel Ain't going to win.
@@yatirsolanI’m sorry you must live with so much hate for so many.
@@yatirsolanit’s all you are and nothing more.
Could we love this man more??? Through all kinds of self-discomfort,he kept going to bring us some remarkable info that helps us understand so much more clearly...A wisdom and understanding beyond measure..Thank you both so much for an incredible conversation,quite lovely
יודנראט, לא משנה כמה תתרפס הם לא ישכחו שאתה יהודי וכשיבואו לקחת אותך אתה תהיה לבד.
This channel has been posting banger interviews lately. So glad to have discovered MEE. Thank you!
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Love love Professor PAPPE..
Currently reading Lobbying for zionist on both side of Atlantic....so far excellent....
Palestine will be free
Reading the same book and just mentioned it a couple of minutes ago. Unbelievable the work and dedication he put into this work.
Pappe’s “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” is also a very important work by him.
I'm reading it right now as well. Amazing work. For a much different psychological approach, see "Our God is Your God Too, But He Has Chosen Us": Essays on Jewish Power
@8114梦见 yes... I'm reading it; just finished chapter 2 and it's really informative to say the least. Amazing book!
Falasteen will be free ✊✊
Ilan Pappé belongs to a select pantheon of minds which the world needs to carefully listen to. My admiration for him is immense.
Pappé is wrong about evangelical Christians
Zionists were hell-bent on blasting their way into Palestine, and the opinion of those evangelical Christians had nothing whatever to do with the intention of the Zionists to take control of Palestine, by whatever means necessary.
Pappe belongs in the asylum.
The guy talks nonsense but woke loonatiks believe him for some reason.
Why?
He is way off.
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Ilan Pappe is a Jewish Israeli Historian, that served in the IDF and he used to be a Zionist.
Then, he became a historian , and wrote books on the history, using IDF and Israeli government documents, and he became pro-Palestine .
How is he "way off" ?
He has the most well informed and most accurate position on the matter.
He has evidence of what is true and what are lies. He's in the best position in the world to sit as judge on the matter.
There is no human being on planet earth that is better (accurately) informed on the topic than Ilan Pappe.
If you disagree with him, then YOU are the one that is "way off".
Ilan Pappe , did research as a proud Jewish Israeli Zionist , and he went though Israeli government documents and IDF documents and interviewed many retired IDF soldiers . And what he learned , (and published for all to see) turned him against Zionism .
Who are you to say that he is " way off " ?
He is by any measure , the MOST CORRECT person, on this topic.
Lmao...if u like the bullshit and believe for all what he is saying because you are a naive idiot so sure .!!!
The truth will prevail 🇵🇸
yeah but truthy outsells it.
@@sativagirl1885yeah but but…
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The truth of Sinwar?
Not in america and the uk... only lies persist in those countries
Thank you for inviting the wonderful Ilan Pappe on to talk with such humanity and intelligence.
יודנראט, לא משנה כמה תתרפס הם לא ישכחו שאתה יהודי וכשיבואו לקחת אותך אתה תהיה לבד.
Thank you very much for bringing Ilan Pappe on. I am currently reading a second book of his "Lobbying for Zionism" but it is the first time I have seen him life in person rather than just pictures. What a person of knowledge, wisdom and humanity.
If you enter his name in UA-cam search, I think you will find many interviews with him. (I’m a huge fan.)
@@YogaladyToronto Thank you.
Pappe is obviiosly insane.
Listening to him will only make you more stupid & confused.
יודנראט, לא משנה כמה תתרפס הם לא ישכחו שאתה יהודי וכשיבואו לקחת אותך אתה תהיה לבד.
What wisdom?
Professor Illan Pappe is a legend. May allah grant you health and long life to see Palestine free.
A legend in lies propaganda and deception
@@xprcloud Ohh yeah ,a self hating Jew and a antisemitic too ha .
@@xprcloud
You is a troll
@@xprcloudhow exactly?
@@samim9533 How exactly? lets look at historical truths, name for me 1 Jewish settlement on stolen arab land PRIOR to the 1948 war that the arabs started, Jews never stole any land while the muslims always started wars even before the state of Israel like the massacre of 1920, 1929,1933, 1936, and t he Jerusalem arab mufti who helped hitler in Germany
Thank you MEE, I love your journalists, kind, educated, intelligent and respectful who bring a lot of light in these dark times. Thank you also for bringing a variety of guests that enrich your podcast. Thank you Ilan Pappé for sharing your thoughts and possible solutions in your usual pragmatic way.
I have so much respect for this gentleman 👏
Why? What do you think he really contributes? What help does his narrative of "evil Zionism" provide to the people living in the Middle East?
@@megavide0So he should be quiet about his opinions because those opinions are different than yours?
@@spitefulbob9254 @spitefulbob9254 I'm just saying that he's not helping. The narrative of victimhood is only helping to perpetuate the conflict, the terror and the suffering for the Palestinians.
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said:
“Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”.
So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil.
Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
@@JawboneDonky >> At best, Ilan Pappe must be one of the world’s sloppiest historians; at worst, one of the most dishonest. In truth, he probably merits a place somewhere between the two[...] driven by something other than linguistic and historiographical accuracy.
Professor Pappé is a living treasure to our human race. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 God bless
Living liar and propaganda
@@xprcloud Keep crying boy ,whole world has awaken and knows the true history how the FAKE Jews the zionists has stolen Palestine by massacring the natives,your days are over zionist's lies don't work no more.......
@@xprcloudIs this the best terrorist Hasbara psy-op talking point you have? You accusing someone of whatever your fairy tale mind comes up with to justify your love of Genocide and we should believe you, take your cultist word for it? 😂😂😂 Honey, you have no idea how ridiculous you sound... 😂😂😂
@@xprcloud unconscious
@@xprcloud unconscious
Thank you, Ilan Pappe. Your tireless work, erudition, humanity and integrity shine for the rest of us.
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said:
“Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”.
So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil.
Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
Professor Ilan Pappé is one brave man,may GOD bless him and his loved ones,amin...
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Your delusional.
Pappe is mentally unhinged.
He fabricates his own historical data and then writes books of counterfactual rubbish (presenting his stuff as real).
Thank you for this brilliant exposition. I was moved by the pragmatism, the inevitability of decolonization, the objectivity and the hope sounded by Ilan Pappe ❤
There is no "colonization"...If there is any "colonization" it began with Mohammed in the 7th century...
Shaaban al-Dalu... a young man from Gaza whose tent was bombed by Israeli planes while he was sleeping with his family... camera lenses filmed him dying in flames... yes, the fire consumed his body in front of the whole world... how can we forget what we saw??!..
Aaron the young military soldier
Biden and usa are partners with netanyahu.
Six year old little Hind Rajab calling for help from the Palestinian Red Crescent... all were mowed down by the IDF - we cannot un-see, un-hear, un-feel, un-know the crimes against humanity and not feel total disbelief that this genocide and this barbarism are still allowed to continue.
@@kfork814do you mean Aaron Bushnell?
As a father of daughters who were once that age, the wanton barbarism is nightmarish.@@terrylovesenegal
Hope you're right. I think you're right. Superb hard work you've done for years.
Truth and justice are paramount
Love from Ireland 💚🍀🍉
You people are so frustrated that the Israelis are humiliating their enemies in the battlefield. How many times do we have to humiliate you to make you learn? Arab countries couldn't even win in 1948 when when Jews were a ragtag militia without airforce, navy, barely any armored vehicles, and much less international support. Modern day Israel is a nuclear-armed state with perhaps the most technologically advanced army in the world. The side who has full control of over sky, wins the war.
Guess what. It's not 1940's anymore. We don't need a permission to stay alive and live in our ancestral homeland! We will defend ourselves by all means, on all fronts. When Jews speak, you will listen. You WILL learn.
Intense depth of knowledge and a treasure of an interview.
Palestine we iranian are stand by you against zionist regime
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"Only the Creator Can Save You
Already in a grave calamity, yet you cannot see
Only by returning to tradition can you be saved and washed clean
You are harming yourself with modern notions and conduct
The red demon deceives you with atheism and evolution
Formation, stability, degeneration, and disintegration are laws-the cosmos is dissolving
Humans and Gods are all in danger, no one feels secure
Most people are Gods incarnate, coming here to take refuge
Awaiting the Creator to renew the cosmos and save all beings
In colossal danger, only He can save you, none can compare
December 10, 2017"
Master Li Hongzhi (Hong Yin VI, from Falun Dafa teachings)
I’m Australian and stand with Palestine Lebanon and Iran 💕
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Ferchbran, me to and I feel the same way. I am quite ashamed of my government over the atrocities
happening in Palestine and the innocent children and of course all the Palestinians involved. 😭
Palestinians were farming, tending orchards, and raising livestock on the land well before the state of Israel existed.
There are documents from the 1600s mentioning the French buying oranges from Yaffa, PALESTINE.
In a hill village in Crete the locals question whether the Israeli and Jewish people (two separate but overlapping groups) have bad intentions towards them. A normal stance given the history of Palestine.
And creating knowledge of all kinds.
@@fiqhonomics Herodotus mentions Palestine about 1900 years earlier than that
@@dirkdiggler6230 what he mentioned was a sliver of coastal land,Josephus also mentioned it in his writings. It wasn’t a region as is now. Judea and Samaria were the names for that part of the land. Before that it was known as Canaan land
Much respect for Ilan Pappe‼️ 24 books 📕
Writing books do t prove much the Koran is a book of lies also
hahahaha. .
Big love for Ilan ❤❤❤
Free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
You and 99.9 of the world live in the Tueman Show...Carlos Munoz' Ferrada's Herculobus is our Sun's Binary Solar System...Only a handful of Civilains know, this world is about to be sent back (AGAIN) to the Stone Age..
You people are so frustrated that the Israelis are humiliating their enemies in the battlefield. How many times do we have to humiliate you to make you learn? Arab countries couldn't even win in 1948 when when Jews were a ragtag militia without airforce, navy, barely any armored vehicles, and much less international support. Modern day Israel is a nuclear-armed state with perhaps the most technologically advanced army in the world. The side who has full control of over sky, wins the war.
Guess what. It's not 1940's anymore. We don't need a permission to stay alive and live in our ancestral homeland! We will defend ourselves by all means, on all fronts. When Jews speak, you will listen. You WILL learn.
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said:
“Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”.
So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil.
Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
Israel forever
A wonderful interview of an incredibly
knowledgeable and insightful historian
of Israel and the Middle East! Professor
Pappe has a depth of understanding
about Israel and Palestine that few others
possess. It is tragic that no one in the
Israeli government has the depth of
understanding about these critically
important matters, that Ilan Pappe
clearly does. I suspect that Ilan’s
analysis of where things are going ,
is on point, but in the interim ,
countless thousands of Palestinians
will continue to suffer unimaginable
hardships and sacrifices , and many
will pay with their lives, due to the
inhumane and brutal treatment being
dealt them by their Israeli occupiers.
It is incomprehensible that the West
stays silent as this ongoing genocide
and mass extermination proceeds
forward, and only due to the West’s
facilitating the perpetuation of this
horrific nightmare!
Thank you for inviting Ilan Pappe on
to your wonderful podcast as a guest.
His knowledge, and keen insights about
what is going on in Palestine, has helped
to significantly inform and enlighten us all
about the current situation in the Middle
East. Thank you for giving Ilan the
opportunity to share his ideas with all
of us!
Many thanks Ilan Pape for the valuable historical background . Always ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Read 'The Ethnice Cleansing of Palestine' by Ilan and it illuminated my understanding of the truth of what happened, the injustices causing all of the issues there today. Please read it and educate yourselves...God bless him!
Ethnice Cleansing and genocide committed by Muslims against Jews since the 7th century...
And Hamas wants to continue this genocide against the Jews....
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_tribes_of_Arabia
622 - 627: Ethnic cleansing of Jews from Mecca and Medina, (Jewish boys were executed.)
629: 1st Alexandria Massacres, Egypt.
622 - 634: extermination of the 14 Arabian Jewish tribes.
Early Muslim conquests resulted in the exile of the Banu Qainuqa and Banu Nadir, two of the main three Jewish tribes from Medina, and the mass execution of all male adults of the Banu Qurayza clan.
822 - 861: Islamic empire passes law that Jews must wear yellow stars, (later adopted in Nazi Germany), Caliph al-Mutawakkil.
1106: Ali Ibn Yousef Ibn Tashifin of Merakesh decrees death penalty for any local Jew, including his Jewish Physician, and Military general.
1033: 1st Fez Pogrom, Morocco.
1148: Almohadin of Morocco gives Jews the choice of converting to Islam, or expulsion.
1066: Granada Massacre, Muslim occupied Spain.
1165 - 1178: Jews nation wide were given the choice (under new constitution) convert to Islam or die, Yemen.
1165: chief Rabbi of the Moghreb burnt alive. the Rambam flees for Egypt.
1220: 10s of thousands of Jews killed by Muslims after being blamed for Mongol invasion, Turkey, Iraq, Syria, Egypt.
1270: Sultan Baibars of Egypt resolved to burn all the Jews, a ditch having been dug for that purpose; but at the last moment he repented, and instead exacted a heavy tribute, during the collection of which many perished.
1276: 2nd Fez Pogrom, Morocco.
1385: Khorasan Massacres, Iran.
1438: 1st Mellah Ghetto Massacres, North Africa.
1465: 3rd Fez Pogrom, Morocco (11 Jews left alive.)
1517: 1st Safed Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine.
1517: 1st Hebron Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine.
Marsa ibn Ghazi Massacre, Ottoman Libya.
1577: Passover Massacre, Ottoman Empire.1588 - 1629: Mahalay Pogroms, Iran.
1630 - 1700: Yemenite Jews were considered "impure" and thus forbidden to touch a Muslim or a Muslim's food. They were obligated to humble themselves before a Muslim, to walk to the left side, and greet him first. They could not build houses higher than a Muslim's or ride a camel or horse, and when riding on a mule or a donkey, they had to sit sideways. Upon entering the Muslim quarter a Jew had to take off his foot-gear and walk barefoot. If attacked with stones or fists by Islamic youth, a Jew was not allowed to defend himself.
1660: 2nd Safed Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine.
1670: Mawza expultion, Yemen.
1679 - 1680: Sanaa Massacres, Yemen.
1747: Mashhad Masacres, Iran.
1785: Tripoli Porom, Ottoman Libya.
1790 - 92: Tetouan Pogrom. Morocco. (Jews of Tetouan stripped naked, and lined up for Muslim perverts.)
1800: new decree passed in Yemen, that Jews are forbidden to wear new clothing, or good clothing. Jews are forbidden to ride mules or donkeys, and were occasionally rounded up for long marches naked through the Roob al Khali dessert.
1805: 1st Algeris Pogrom, Ottoman Algeria.
1808 2nd 1438: 1st Mellah Ghetto Massacres, North Africa.
1815: 2nd Algeris Pogrom, Ottoman Algeria.
1820: Sahalu Lobiant Massacres, Ottoman Syria.
1828: Baghdad Pogrom, Ottoman Iraq.
1830: 3rd Algeris Pogrom, Ottoman Algeria.
1830: ethnic cleansing of Jews in Tabriz, Iran.
1834: 2nd Hebron Pogrom, Ottoman Palestine.
1834: Safed Pogrom, Ottoman Palestne.
1839: Massacre of the Mashadi Jews, Iran.
1840: Damascus, ritual killings (Muslims, along with french Christians kidnapped, tortured, and killed Jewish Children for entertainment), Ottoman Syria.
1840: blood libels introduced to the Muslim world from Europe.
1844: 1st Cairo Massacres, Ottoman Egypt.
1847: Dayr al-Qamar Pogrom, Ottoman Lebanon.
1847: ethnic cleansing of the Jews in Jerusalem, Ottoman Palestine.
1848: 1st Damascus Pogrom, Syria.
1850: 1st Aleppo Pogrom, Ottoman Syria.
1860: 2nd Damascus Pogrom, Ottoman Syria.
1862: 1st Beirut Pogrom, Ottoman Lebanon.
1866: Kuzguncuk Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey.
1867: Barfurush Massacre, Ottoman Turkey.
1868: Eyub Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey.
1869: Tunis Massacre, Ottoman Tunisia.
1869: Sfax Massacre, Ottoman Tunisia.
1864 - 1880: Marrakesh Massacre, Morocco.
1870: 2nd Alexandria Massacres, Ottoman Egypt.
1870: 1st Istanbul Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey.
1871: 1st Damanhur Massacres,Ottoman Egypt.
1872: Edrine Massacres, Ottoman Turkey.
1872: 1st Izmir Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey.
1873: 2nd Damanhur Massacres, Ottoman Egypt.
1874: 2nd Izmir Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey.
1874: 2nd Istanbul Pogrom, Ottoman Turkey.
1874: 2nd Beirut Pogrom,Ottoman Lebanon.
1875: 2nd Aleppo Pogrom, Ottoman Syria.
1875: Jerba Island Massacre, Ottoman Tunisia.
1877: 3rd Damanhur Massacres,Ottoman Egypt.
1877: Mansura Pogrom, Ottoman Egypt.
1882: Homs Massacre, Ottoman Syria.
1882: 3rd Alexandria Massacres, Ottoman Egypt.
1890: 2nd Cairo Massacres, Ottoman Egypt.
1890, 3rd Damascus Pogrom, Ottoman Syria.
1891: 4th Damanahur Massacres, Ottoman Egypt.
1897: Tripolitania killings, Ottoman Libya.
1903&1907: Taza & Settat, pogroms, Morocco.
1890: Tunis Massacres, Ottoman Tunisia.
1901 - 1902: 3rd Cairo Massacres, Ottoman Egypt.
1901 - 1907: 4th Alexandria Massacres,Ottoman Egypt.
1903: 1st Port Sa'id Massacres, Ottoman Egypt.
1903 - 1940: Pogroms of Taza and Settat, Morocco.
1907: Casablanca, pogrom, Morocco.
1908: 2nd Port Said Massacres,Ottoman Egypt.
1910: Shiraz blood libel.
1911: Shiraz Pogrom.
1912: 4th Fez , Pogrom, Morocco.
1917: Baghdadi Jewish Inquisition, Ottoman Empire.
1918 - 1948: law passed making it illegal to raise an orphan Jewish, Yemen.
1920: Irbid Massacres: British mandate Palestine.
1920 - 1930: Arab riots, British mandate Palestine.
1921: 1st Jaffa riots, British mandate Palestine.
1922: Djerba Massacres, Tunisia.
1928: Ikhwan Masacres, Egypt, and British mandate Palestine.
1928: Jewish orphans sold into slavery, and forced to convert t Islam by Muslim Brotherhood, Yemen.
1929: 3rd Hebron Pogrom British mandate Palestine.
1929 3rd Safed Pogrom, British mandate Palestine.
1933: 2nd Jaffa riots, British mandate Palestine.
1934: Thrace Pogroms, Turkey.
1934: 1st Farhud Massacres, Iraq.
1936: 3rd Jaffa riots, British mandate Palestine.
1936: 2nd Farhud Massacres, Iraq.
1941: 3rd Farhud Massacres, Iraq.
1942: Mufti collaboration with the Nazis. plays a part in the final solution.
1942: Struma disaster, Turkey.
1942: Nile delta Pogroms, Egypt.
1938 - 1945: Arab collaboration with the Nazis.
1945: 4th Cairo Massacres, Egypt.
1945: Tripolitania Pogrom, Libya.
1947: Aden Pogroms.
1947: 3rd Aleppo Pogrom, Syria.
1948: "emptying" of the Jewish quarter of Damascus, Syria.
1948: 1st Arab Israeli war (1 out of every 100 Jew was killed.)
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said:
“Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”.
So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil.
Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see what’s Israel is doing right now to come to the conclusion that it is a satanic state carrying out heinous war crimes day in day out, ethnic cleansing and the erasure / genocide of the indigenous peoples of Palestine.
If you don’t come to that conclusion given what we can see with our own eyes live-streamed to our phones minute by minute, then maybe your own conscience has left the building.
I love that man and his thinking that is wise ! Protect him ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🙏
This man should be a leader..
@@megapurisdnbhd7473 I think his contributions are more beneficial as a historian! Leaders are corrupt to a certain point unfortunately but I get what you mean !
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said:
“Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”.
So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil.
Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
Everytime I listen to Professor Pappe i learn something new ❤
You mean you pick up another untruth from an unhinged madman.
@bluestar6879 you're describing Netanyahu and most Israeli officials.
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Nope. I am definitely describing Pappe the madman.
@@bluestar6879 reality is hard to hear when you're a Zionist
@@bluestar6879 Yes, because doing the rounds in comment sections, making excuses for the mass extermination of your own fellow human beings isn't mad at all.... 👍
"The most powerful form of Lie is Omission; it is the duty of Historians (and Journalists) to make sure that those lies do not creep into the History books" The Orwell Foundation Archives.
Zionism world crime
Like the fact that Orwell was a government informant?
@@drmodestoesq- that is most definitely not true, and that accusation has been refuted by Independent Researchers, Historians and Biographers 💯%.
Thanks!
Thank you for this excellent episode. Listening to Ilan Pappé feels like a glimmer of hope, a tiny light in the middle of so much darkness. My appreciation to the host, his deep voice and remarkable way of posing the questions.
Dear Palestinians,
The world is feeling your pain every single day, we will always stand with you to see you are FREE and live a DIGNIFIED LIFE!
😔🙏❤️🙏😔
Absolutely Totally Agree With Your Statement 💯
Free Palestine 🇵🇸🕊️🇵🇸
New Zealand 🇳🇿🕊️🇵🇸
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🇩🇿:👍👍👍🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸.
we failed them!
It is agony to watch from the sidelines and feel so powerless to stop this apart from trying to reach everyone in my circle to wake up to the truth
Palestine will be free InshaAllah.
AMEN
Yep then Islam jihad and Hamas and fatah will continue killing each other
It is already free.
It calls itself JORDAN but it should be renamed.
@@bluestar6879 It is not free. Israel should be renamed to Palestine.
"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not." -- Arab Princeton Professor, Philip Hitti, before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry in Jerusalem in 1946.
In 1937, Secretary of the Arab Higher Committee to the British Peel Commission, Awni Abd al-Hadi stated: “There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented.”
"We [Palestinians] were never an independent state in history, we were part of an Arab state and an Islamic state.” -- Palestinian Hamas Foreign Minister Mahmoud Zahhar (quoted in The Economist, February 2, 2008)
"Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria." Syrian President Hafez al-Assad [Addressing the Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization Yasser Arafat during a meeting with leaders of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in 1976]
Zahir Muhsein was a Palestinian leader of the pro-Syria As-Sa'iqa Ba'athist faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization between 1971 and 1979.
In an interview with Trouw Magazine, 31. March 1977 he stated....."The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new tool to continue the fight against Israel and for Arab unity........................................................
Thank you Professor for standing firm with humanity 😢 💔
Free Palestine Give the Palestinians their Land Back 🇵🇸🙏✌️
The Jewish Palestinians since the Arabs invasion in 7 centuries fact land is lost in war why did the Arabs attack Israel
"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not." -- Arab Princeton Professor, Philip Hitti, before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry in Jerusalem in 1946.
In 1937, Secretary of the Arab Higher Committee to the British Peel Commission, Awni Abd al-Hadi stated: “There is no such country as Palestine. ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented.”
"We [Palestinians] were never an independent state in history, we were part of an Arab state and an Islamic state.” -- Palestinian Hamas Foreign Minister Mahmoud Zahhar (quoted in The Economist, February 2, 2008)
"Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria." Syrian President Hafez al-Assad [Addressing the Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization Yasser Arafat during a meeting with leaders of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in 1976]
Zahir Muhsein was a Palestinian leader of the pro-Syria As-Sa'iqa Ba'athist faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization between 1971 and 1979.
In an interview with Trouw Magazine, 31. March 1977 he stated....."The Palestinian people do not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new tool to continue the fight against Israel and for Arab unity.............................................................
@KingForever-zu5jl 4000 years of Filistine /"Palestine
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'There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Iraqis etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 per cent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one tenth of one per cent. But that is too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today...no matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough''. (Arab writer and historian Joseph Farah in his book Myths of the Middle East October 2000.)
"Such a creature as Palestine does not exist at all." (Ahmad Shukan , Saudi Ambassador to the UN, 1956)
If Palestine were an Arab state, at any point in recorded history, why was there no mention of them? Because there never was an Arab Palestinian nation, nor any nation called Palestine, ever!
In 1964 Yasser Arafat visited Moscow, USSR. While there, the Soviet KGB (secret service) developed a strategy for him. Arafat would be the leader of a new organization named PLO, Palestinian liberation organization. The KGB recommended that the Arabs create a new identity for themselves that would be called Palestinian.
So where are the geographical roots of the so called Palestinians???????
Hamas Minister of the Interior and of National Security Fathi Hammad, aired by Al-Hekma TV on March 23, 2012. Stated..........we all have Arab roots, and every Palestinian, in Gaza and throughout Palestine, can prove his Arab roots - whether from Saudi Arabia, from Yemen, or anywhere. We have blood ties. Personally, half my family is Egyptian. We are all like that. More than 30 families in the Gaza Strip are called Al-Masri ["Egyptian"]. Brothers, half of the Palestinians are Egyptians and the other half are Saudis. Who are the Palestinians? We have many families called Al-Masri, whose roots are Egyptian. Egyptian! They may be from Alexandria, from Cairo, from Dumietta, from the North, from Aswan, from Upper Egypt. We are Egyptians.
The so called Palestinians are not even from the region known as Palestine!!!!!!
Salma Fayumi, a resident of Kafr Qasim (Palestin/Israel) confirms Fathi Hammad above statements
Salma Fayumi, a resident of Kafr Qasim (Palestin/Israel),spoke on the show "Master Chef." Fayumi proudly showed off her Kushari dish that she prepared, "Egyptian cuisine made of rice and lentil." "My family came from Egypt, from Faiyum, and I am Salma Fayumi from Faiyum," the cook from Kafr Qasim said.
so much appreciation for one another, love to see that in this conversation.
Excellent interview. Ilan Pappe is a historical savant, a gem.
The best jew ever...man of justice...alteady read his book à man of honnor for sure
The best liar!
Excellent interview. Of course Ilan Pappe was fascinating, but he also was helped by an excellent and well informed interviewer.
Yep, north America already had a population of 60 million when the first European got here. And that includes Canada 🇨🇦
Closer to 10 million.
It would be interesting to see the Census data on that claim.
Pappe is a giant
Gigantic Madman.
@@bluestar6879 Evidence? Have you read his books?
@@007EnglishAcademy
The guy belongs in a mental asylum. He fabricates his own historical data. That was why he got kicked out of his history professorship in University of Haifa. That is why around 2000 he was taken to court by pensioners that he accused of doing a massacre in Israel's 1948 war. He lost and had to pay compensation for his defamation.
I have a first hand account of my great great great gradad who was one of the first settlers of New Zealand in 1840, written in his own hand. It chronicles his struggles with the Maori's who turned up on the land he'd been promised back in London to settle. He describes a fight he had with a couple of Maori's with hatchets ,which he came out on top, with about 500 locals looking on. The fight ended with the two Maori's running off, knowing they'd be hunted down by the colonial authorities. The rest gave up on reclaiming their land and dissappeared into the bush.. At first saw this account as a victory for civilisation against the savages, now I'm seeing it in a totally different light.. At the same time I look at it from his own point of view, back in the day and it really was a struggle of the enlightened from his eyes.. Interestingly he went on to have good relations with th Maori, hunting etc with them but no thought to what he taken from them.. I guess this is largely how the Israeli's look at the Palestinians. They're surplus to requirements so they should just go away..
Der weise böse Mann.. die Welt wäre ein Paradies ohne die Bleichgesichter!
Interesting. What was his take on what the Maori did to the Moriori of the Chatham Islands?
Except the Jews have lived on that Land for 3000 years.
Ooops.
@@bluestar6879 Oops ! and before them and continuously since then we're non Jews of Arab origin.
We call them Palestinians today by the way.
@@Spk-r6x how come Arabs live there before the jews if they came from the ARABIAN peninsula... The "palestinians" have nothing to do with previous peoples that inhabited that land... The name comes from the Phillistines (plishtim in Hebrew , which means invaders) a people that came from the shores of Greece and were an enemy of ancient Jews... The Romans named the place Palestine after they kicked the Jews out and the Arabs took the name "palestinians" and invented a national identity to convince idiots like you lol
I will be one of the many at the march for Palestine at Parliament Square tomorrow.
Illan Pappé is an inspiration as is the wonderful Palestinian academic, Ghada Karmi.
One democretic state, from the river to the sea❤
I will be there also. Please note, when you go, the 24/7 protest, opposite the US Embassy, currently starting its 10th week.
Why one democratic state only ?
Why not One Democratic World ?
Full cultural Marxism on a Global Basis.
Sarcasm rules OK ?
Fantastic interview. 👏🏽
Ilan...............moral hero
moral creep yes
@@georgka74 noob
Big respect
This is one of the most erudite expositions of how Palestine was eroded. Profound analysis.
THE MOST LUCRATIVE INVESTMENT IN HISTORY! ISRAEL BOUGHT OUT AMERICAN POLITICIANS AND MEDIA WITH FRANCTION OF THE MONEY RECEIVING FROM AMERICAN TAX PAYERS.😮😢
Yes and your citizens watched and did nothing. Your politicians are bought and paid for. Slaves of Israel.
Surely the people should rise and stop this by inserting something in your constitution.
What sort of democracy is this ..!
Excellent interview 👏
Professor Pappe is a Genius! Thank you for hosting him. He’s one of the most respected historians of our times and for many generations to come.. thank you, Professor!
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said:
“Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”.
So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil.
Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
It's a war between Good and Evil.!
swinar humus is done, boy
Thank you so much for this fascinating and important interview and conversation. I am never tired of listening to the analysis and reading the work of prof Pappe. So inspiring. Thank you MEE!!!!
An excellent interview. Thank you for sharing 🇵🇸🌻
Justice has always prevailed though is can seem long in coming. Come quickly!
Yes, right now please
A grear courageous historian
liar is what he was and is!
@@georgka74 To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said:
“Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”.
So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil.
Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
Thanks so much Ilan Pappe!!🙏
Keep up the good work!🙏🙏🙏
God bless you! Thank you so much for this video, much love and respect!❤😄God save Palestinians!❤💚🖤🤍
Wonderful conversation
Please keep up the very good work,
Bringing Sir Ilan Pappe to this channel, it’s privileged episode.
Ilan Pappe is the pioneer recording the Palestinian ethnic cleansing by the Apartheid state of the Zionists.
Anyone wondering who is this gentleman, just read his book called The Ethnic Cleansing.
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said:
“Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”.
So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil.
Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
The Jewish historian, Avi Shlaim, has written books and has been interviewed about Iraqi Jews and their expulsion from Iraq and how they were initially not well accepted in Israeli society.
Avi Shlaim also highlighted the fact of the Zionist Jew were behind the expulsion of Iraqi Jew from Iraq.
He also explained how zl0nlsts conducted false flag bombings in Iraq to convince them to leave.
They weren't "expelled", they moved out.
They were expelled? Ethnically cleansed? How could that be? I've heard Arab Muslims say they always lived in peace and harmony with Jewish minorities.
Brilliant as always prof. Pappe!
A scholar and a gentleman
Thank you so very much. I listened to this 5 times and will listen more times because it is so rich in information and helped me visualize rather than just words!
Fantastic interview! It is always a pleasure to listen to Ilan Pappé
Terrific interview - bravo to journalist Mohamed Hassan, it is wonderful to hear Professor Pappe speak at length about the issue, and give some hope for a better future...
An educated and benevolent man.
Pappe's a mentally unhinged maniac.
There, fixed it for you.
It is extremely rare to hear a complex, emotional issue discussed with calm and rational reference to undisputable historical facts. I wish politicians or media pundits could discuss issues in such a mature manner, or imagine themselves in the other person's shoes.
Let’s be honest for once. Jewish pioneers were coming to Pls were not under European threats at all. They were the source of the threats. They even were not getting along with the existing Pls jews either. No intermarriage, not living in the same neighborhood, separate business.
They were Europeans and Russians opposition groups who wanted to have their own sets of rules. Not Europeans, not Arabs, not Judaism, not Christians, but taking something from each. They were Living like separatists enforced by militia.
That is why they couldn’t integrate to any society even by now unless they are dispersed among other nations.
That is what Hetzl told you in his book. We don’t get along with anyone even ourselves.
Look at their messy political systems!
Except Jews were the indigenous people of the Land.
Ooops
@@bluestar6879
1800 years late
@@jokester3076
But the Jews always believed they would return. Guess what....................they have.
You need to accept the verdict of history.
You give us hope ❤️❤️❤️
What an intelligent and clear sight this man has
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said:
“Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”.
So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil.
Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
Excellent interview. So much to learn from Illan Pepe. America is missing out so much by ignoring such intelligent saint like human being. We need people like him to make America great.
Wonderful analysis! Thank you ❤️
Great interview and great interview
Thank you!
A credit to humanity.
Thank you so much for this refreshing conversation on such a painful subject. It was fascinating, as is every interview with Ilan Pape, but also a much gentler experience than those clashing conversations when everyone speaks at once and competes to have the microphone and insists on their view being the right view. Of course, the ‘right view’ was agreed upon here, but without sensationalism, triumphalistic crowing. Instead there was compassion, where it was due, an acknowledgement of both sides, backed by an in-depth knowledge of what has led us to this point. Thank you from my heart.
The Lobby brought down Jeremy Corbyn with false allegations of antisemitism.
Asa Winstanley wrote the book on it.
❤@@RobinHerzig
Corbyn was a Marxist Dimwitt with no charisma.
Mr. Pappe is a breath of fresh air and sanity.
Big love for Prof. Illan ❤❤❤ and the show❤❤❤
The headline should be the "Rebirth of Palestine".
I agree. It should All be Palestine, Only, Because the Only People in The (Fake State Of Israel) are ZIONIST Talmudists, Not The Real Torah Jews, Who have made it Clear that....They were to WAIT until Their God Gathered them into The land ( Scripturally).
That is The Report from The Jews in America that HAS NEVER wanted Anything to do with The False "State" of Israel.
"They" are "Somebody's Wicked Project"
"The truth may hurt for a little while, but a lie hurts forever." 💔⏳
"Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom." 📘✨ - Thomas Jefferson
The very best! apart from Chomsky.....but different because a dissenting Israeli view from "inside' Israel.
big respect for this person and free Palestine
Great episode
Everyone has to read " the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians ".
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said:
“Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”.
So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil.
Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
this man is speaking to the future
Only one state is possible - Palestine!!
Israel is proof as to why separation of church and state is critical for a modern society to function
What Ilan has to say is so enlightening; his account of the many convergent /divergent political interests that have formed the state of Israel is invaluable. Huge thanks to MEE, as always , for platforming the indispensable historian of Israel : and love as well.
Watching from Indonesia, Palestine will be free insha Allah ❤🇵🇸🍉
Ilan Pappé is a hero. His clear sight is stunning - and convincing.
To give Pappé credit, he is at least honest that his works aren’t objective truth but rather his narrative - shown through his one-sided portrayal of history and twisting of facts to fit his ideology. In a November 29th 1999 interview with French newspaper Le Soir, Pappé said:
“Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers”.
So who agrees with Pappé? Those who hold the same ideology as him. Those who believe that Israel is an evil entity, guilty of the most heinous crimes and has waged war on an innocent people for practically no reason other than to be evil.
Those who are more objective, care about all historical facts and believe that truth is something that should be pursued, as opposed to making it fit your pre-determined ideology, should read the criticisms on Pappé to understand why he cannot be taken seriously as a credible historian on the issue.
Easily the best conversation I've witnessed Ilan Pappé participate in. The interviewer does so in a very lucid and astute way, I think that Pappé found the interview very useful from an educational perspective... He is a professor, he is an intellectual, ... he's addressing us, his core constituency, to help us understand Israel and it's supporters, so we can be more than witnesses... we can be learned participants.
free Palestine
Pappe is an intelligent educated ethical and eloquent speaker and advocate for social justice . He amongst other great thinkers and advocates like Noam Chomsky have made sacrifices and are worthy of more recognition by the middle-east media, and social interaction platforms.
Thank you Pappe, you bring a glimpse of hope in a very dark world .
Shout out to you both for a credible view of the true history
God bless you dear❤❤❤
Gracias Ilan de todo corazón. Me encantaría tener el honor de presentarte a la resistencia libanesa
Just finding this Chanel. Am so grateful! Such amazing and important content and information being covered here!
The US basically took over the colonial assets that the French and a Germans held around the world as war bounty in addition to forming a special relationship with 🇬🇧 to co-manage the vast colonies under British rule (with the UK shifting to a subordinate position).
US not only took over the foreign colonies but also setup a new and sophisticated colonial system to colonise Western Europe..eventually 🇺🇸 also decided to setup the EU in order to increase the level of control as time passed and opinions became more pluralistic and non-conforming. The EU project ensured that power was removed from the individual states while simultaneously creating a situation where country level politicians could be both emasculated and seduced with positions in European, international and NATO institutions.
That is maybe one of the reasons why Europe is going against its own interests and its traditionally preferred sense (or at least the appearance) of reasonableness to become a shameless supporter of genocide. European governments tolerated environmental groups such as Extinction Rebellion despite months of road blocks….while very rapidly moving to beatings and arrests etc of simple student protestors or social media activists etc. It’s a level of oppression and dictatorship that’s above what Europe accused the old Soviet Union or countries like Iraq..or even more shamelessly accused non-expansionist nations like Iran of being.
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Interesting analysis, also very depressing and annoying to realise I've been duped for 50 years, by lobbies etc with almost total media (and therefore government) control.
And yet all these Islamic empires in history. Feat of Islam is rational. Given power, no one else has rights under it.
Well said.
What an amazing
scholar/human being.
Thank you so much for educating us.