Jagdpanther: King Tiger's Gun & Panther's Chassis
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- Опубліковано 12 жов 2020
- The Jagdpanther - Hunting Panther was a heavy tank destroyer (Jagdpanzer) based on the Panzerkampfwagen V - Panther chassis, it was equipped with the long-barreled 88mm gun of the Königstiger, the L/71. In this video we look at and into the Jagdpanther of the German Panzermuseum Munster.
English Channel of the Panzermuseum: / germantankmuseum
German Channel of the Panzermuseum: / daspanzermuseum
Disclaimer I: I was invited by the Deutsche Panzermuseum in 2020.
Disclaimer II: I was invited by the Tank Museum at Bovington to Tankfest 2019.
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Jentz, Thomas L.; Doyle, Hilary Doyle: Panzer Tracts No.9-3 “Jagdpanther” Panzerjaeger Panther (8.8 cm) (Sd.Kfz.173) Ausf.G1 und G2. Panzer Tracts: Boyds, MD, USA: 2005.
Spielberger, Walter J.; Doyle, Hilary L.: Panzer V Panther und seine Abarten. Motorbuch Verlag: Gerlingen, Germany, 2010.
Spielberger, Walter J.; Doyle, Hilary L.; Jentz, Thomas: Schwere Jagdpanzer. Entwicklung - Fertigung - Einsatz. Motorbuch Verlag: Stuttgart, Germany, 2011.
Jentz, Thomas L.: Tiger I & II. Kampf und Taktik. Podzun-Pallas: Wölfersheim-Berstadt, Germany, 2000.
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The Tiger I had an L/56 not L/53. Thanks to TheBlackhawk123.
5:37 - It should be "younger", I mixed up "later production" with "older". Thanks to Andrew.
Just 1 correction: Tiger 1 used L/56 cannon. 3:00
Roger that! I am in for a copy ;-)
@Black Knight That is not so simple...
We love you Military history visualized keep up the good work
I TRULY like the fact that you call it what it is. A hunting panther, and NOT a tank as so many " so called " 20 something historians do. For some reason they just don't get the fact that if it DOESN'T have a turning turret it's not a tank. It's a tank destroyer.
So one in a museum. Didn't expect it to be so huge. Looks like a steel wall at an angle with a gun sticking out. A beautiful sight indeed.
I’ve been to the Bovington Tank Museum and there they had one aswell. Let me tell you, these things are so much bigger than you’d expect. Vehicles like the Jagdpanther, Jagdtiger or Pershing are such absolute units it will leave you speechless.
Right? I’m always shocked by the size of WW2 tanks. Even German “medium” tanks were absolutely enormous.
Particularly beautifull when you're on the other side in your T34 or Sherman.
Never saw someone next to it until this video, its huge!
Jagdpanther is the exception .. look at the production numbers.. most other tank hunters are much smaller. Most produced is the StuG variant. Also a Panzer V at 2,99m is only 30 cm taller than a Panzer IV at 2,68m . A Sherman is 2,74m , a T34 is 2,60m. Now put that into relation how cramped the inside of a T34 and Sherman is and how roomy and ergonomic the inside of a Panzer IV and V is. For comparison a Leopard I is 2,62m in height and a Leopard II is 3,03m (top edge of periscope).
Such a sexy machine. The Jagdpanther isn't to bad either.
@@julianshepherd2038 you mean his massive cannon? Legend says he can engage 3 people at once.
You mean the Jagdpanzer IV in the background right?
@@ivanrenic4243 uhhh yes yes of course
Jeez, i hope you are a gurl.
@@MasterBlaster220 why? cause your homophobic?
/s
From asking Doyle, the final drive on Panther was never improved, only the ones which went on Jagdpanther. I'm unsure why, I can only assume capacity issues with the various factories. It is worth noting that though the improved final drive is referenced in Jentz/Doyle works on Jagdpanther, it is notably absent in works on Panther.
I've been constantly told that later Panthers (G and onwards if I remember right) received upgraded transmissions, but is this just a fallacy?
Bernard gets points off for not showing us how track tension is done unfortunately
Oh bugger, the Jagdpanther is on fire.
*Chieftain jumps out the rear hatch onto engine deck.
Isn't this Mr Doyle's favourite vehicle? I remember you asked him in a video why he liked it, and he simply said 'I just do'.
by the time the jagdpanther was developed, in 1944, it wasn't worth rehauling panther production to use the new final drive.
after all the supply line was shortened and panthers died early enough that the final drive wasn't a big issue by this point
I had a mental picture of a used “tank” salesman touting its excellent fuel economy, superior rust guard, and great acceleration. “Don’t tell my manager, but I’ll give you this special low price because I can see you are someone who appreciates German armored vehicles! “ 😂
He then kicks a road wheel and the gun mantlet falls off.
Bet there's no guarantee on that transmission 😉
Mental picture of a dealer selling after battle vehicles form WoT or WT:
"No worries, we removed most of the previous unlucky crew, but parts of a loader felt between suspensions bars, that's why it is on sale" or "well crew bailed out and set charges to scuttle vehicle, half of them worked. She looks lovely from port side, most of of the other side is missing" "Fuel economy... well You need economy to fill her up, but engine sounds is worth every 100 gallons" "We have also few tracks links form Stug, that met with B-17 pilot who flew with GPWS turned off, You can have them as freebee"
I love the design of the Jagdpanther. It's such a beauty.
my fav tank amongst the ww2 tanks.
Just modeled it for my game, real beauty
Looks modern as well. As though it could roll into battle tomorrow.
@@averagefilipino315 mine to
@Uncle Joe This
Holy shit I didn't know the Jagdpanther was such a big boi.
Lol were u expecting something like the JgPz38t (Hetzer)
Jagdpanther has big thiccy
Thicc
@@thebichocr7659 it's menace of a younger brother
Thanks for the advice man, I hate it when I go to the used Jagdpanther dealership and the guy tries to sell me the lousy 16mm roof armour version.
Make sure they cut the price or deliver it with a couple of hundred rounds of gold ammo.
I was told the 16mm version cold be fitted with a sliding roof.
@@kenduncan3221 It would probably be covered with warning stickers. Warning! This roof is prone to HE spam!
I was in Munster in this museum a couple of days ago and was astonished by how huge these beasts actually are. I also saw the Jagdpanther and it really looks amazing!
Whenever Im at any kind of military museum, Im always astounded by how big tanks actually are.
@ Tom: There are numerous accounts by Allied soldiers on the western front, who upon seeing a Jagdpanther for the first time, said it put "the fear of God" in them. Or words to that effect. I saw one in person, so to speak, at the Patton Armor Museum at Ft. Knox, Kentucky, and it is even more impressive close up. It's absolutely massive, and looks threatening even sitting still. An M4 Sherman weighed in at something like 33 tons, depending on variant, and that's no small amount of weight. Yet in comparison with a Jagdpanther (44.5 tons), it looks small and almost toy-like.
6:18 My city is lacking a 2nd hand Jagdpanther dealership. 😔
Mine too ☹️
Mine closed in the late forties, for awhile you could get French spares, but they were worn and now you just get Russian water damaged units.
Here they had some around, all scrapped long time ago. Meh.
I have several, in a selection of attractive colors.
Please send deposit to....................
A 2nd hand Jagdpanther dealership...ahh one can dream....
My family wants to have a beach holiday somewhere warm.
Me: "Our holiday destination is Munster, Germany"
Visit it in August when the heath is blossoming. The area is quite popular.
@Ninaa Kari - I was just thinking that!
Get some cheese too.
Then go to France but before that Poland!
@@markiv2942 Waaaaiiiit a minuye
YES!!!! The Jagdpanther is my favorite turret-less tank destroyer of WWII. Thanks for this upload!
Mine too!
Doesn't hurt that it was on the cover of the PanzerBlitz game, which I got as a teen.
Living in Canada, took my wife to The Tank Museum in Bovington back in 2010.
I was surprised that she enjoyed the visit...we timed it well as the exposition was on, moving tank displays and mock battles.
Really would like to visit Munster Tank museum.
Thanks for excellent video.
That is quite the Vee-Hickle!
Lol
That's Wee-hickle" to you!
One note on the early smooth gun recess collar (Geschütznische) it wasn't really welded but rather affixed internally using tabs, the opening in which the collar sits is also used to remove the transmission so the collar had to remain removable, you can see this mounting on the IWM Befehlsjagdpanther which has been cut open. The collar on the Munster vehicle was introduced in late September/October 1944, there was another type quite similar but less chonky which was introduced in late August but which was found to be to weak.
On production it should be noted that the second assembly, MNH, was initially only supposed to produce Jagdpanthers temporarily while MBA got tooled up to produce Jagdpanthers, however due to inexperience with producing armoured vehicles MBA never really got up to speed and MNH continued to produce Jagdpanthers (as well as Panthers) until the end of the war along with MIAG who were the sole Jagdpanther assembly plant until late October 1944. The effect of the delays from bombing raids and other disruptions become evident when looking at the amount of hulls produced compared to the amount of Jagdpanthers accepted. Whilst final assembly was done by three plants (MIAG, MNH and MBA) hulls (Wanne) were only produced by Brandeburger Eisenwerke, the highest known Wannenummer is 300795 which means that at least 795 hulls were produced before the end of the war whereas only approx half of these got assembled into finished Jagdpanthers (note that the hull number did not necessarily match the Fgstnr. of the finished vehicle)
These videos are so good I just keep coming back to them. Military History Visualized has great content. It's rather amazing that on his own and with great interviews of good historians he's able to produce better content than an entire network which shall go unmentioned.
This is probably my favorite WWII tank. It's basically a slanted metal box with a big cannon but it's still so beautiful for some reason..
This video is gold in answering so many questions I’ve had about the different 88 guns of both Tigers. Thank you.
Thank you for one of the best over all descriptions of this vehicle, and its production history. The matter of fact delivery is refreshing in this age of long commentary.
Along with the intense information, I really enjoy the sense of humor. Well done, sir.
As always, I learn something completely new when I watch these films - the "Final Drive" problem springs to mind! Keep up the good work, Bernhard.
Realizing that it was a machine of war and destruction (and not glorifying that) aside, DAMN that was a sexy tracked beast! As a machinist and fabricator I appreciate, and see the awesomeness of, the German engineering in WW2 machinery. Great and informative channel!!
Lol no need for the virtue signaling bro. You're among friends--you can let your hair down. :)
Thank you for this incredibly well done video.
The timeline graphic was nice. Good video.
Your videos help to fill in the blanks of so many of my questions. Thank you.
We where in Munster in 2019 and was absolutely stunned by the many tanks at Deutsche panzer museum. See you soon! 👌
As usual a great video for those who can’t get enough on the specifics of WW2 tanks. Thank you.
Something I wanted to say, and what might be useful for a video about the Panther's final drive...
The oft thrown about number of "150km" until breakage comes from the French Panther report, which is often used for all kinds of statistics. However, recently I've seen more and more people claim that the Panthers used for this test (3 in total, so you can already see that any average will be heavily impacted by one vehicle alone) were Panther A's which were found abandoned in and around the Normandy area. While I do not have a source to back this up, it is interesting to delve deeper in this argument to see if there's any truth in it.
The Chieftain said that before his death, Jentz insisted the Panther was a reliable vehicle (and he should know, given he spent twenty or thirty years researching it with H. Doyle).
If you look at actual combat reports you will find that the Panthers final drive issues are greatly exaggerated. The biggest problem with the panther, and all German equipment for that matter, was the desperate situation the Germans were in from 43 onwards which led to poor quality control during production, poor maintenance once in the field, and probably most important poorly trained drivers. You have to understand that many, if not most, Germans didn't know how to drive a car let alone a 45 ton tank with a 700 horsepower aircraft engine in it so training would take the two things the Germans were most short of, time and fuel
@@jsd795 No aircraft engines in German tanks but otherwise your points are valid. :)
Those French Panthers were captured Normandy veterans - with all the wear and tear that could be expected under these circumstances. Those final drives were propably on their last legs and then driven by guys who were used to the ruggedness of the Sherman. So no wonder they gave in quickly. BTW the French ended up with a full battalion of Panthers (around 30) after the war, those 3 you mentioned might be those that were captured by FFI and used in direct combat. Those 3 may be even driven by people without any tank experience or veterans of the French Army in 1940.
@@thomaskositzki9424 the Maybach HL230 was originally designed as an aircraft engine and the French panthers in question weren't captured in Normandy, they were assembled from left over parts after the war or at least the majority of them were
You'd never have guessed that this is my favourite piece of armour.
@AKUJIRULE thanks for enlightening me. I'll change it immediately. You're so astute with that observation. 👍
I like how comparing it to previous TDs begins to show why the concept was discontinued- to mount larger guns profile was getting higher and higher, defeating the purpose of tank destroyer.
Of course it's nowhere as ridiculous as the "barn-on-tracks" Jagdtiger
JagdPanther is the outside range of the German TD concept I think. Crazy that they came up with the hunkajunk Ferdinand over a year earlier.
@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 To be fair, the Ferdinand wasn't designed from the outset as a TD so much as way of utilizing the hulls of the Porsche Tigers.
@@Riceball01 LOL it sure seems that way. Porsche and Hitler's oversized hobby horse.
@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 Yes and no. Ferdinand was more like a private initiative of Ferdinand Porsche that got out of hand rather than what the German Army had asked for.
And it was a failure.
@@KPW2137 Makes one wonder why the hell they wasted good metal and effort on the Jagtiger. I assume that oone was asked for by someone other than Porsche. Did they not learn from that debacle?
Outstanding presentation. Thank you!
The StuG is still my favorite self-propelled gun but the JagdPanthers is a thicc girl
The Stug was the most numerous tank the Germans had in the war. It also had the most kills. I recommend getting the book "Panzer Aces II" by Franz Kurowsiki. The first chapter is about Sepp Brandner. He fought in the whole war on the Eastern Front in Stugs.Reading that chapter will give you a good idea of how good Stugs were.
So you know, germans tanks are not girls they are boys
@@wj7158
Wasn't the Tiger personified as a woman (Elvira) in the Tigerfibel though? I believe the same went for the Panther.
@@IronRAVENxvx no, all they are men. That you have heard of i don't know where you have heard of. For german language are all vehicles men, except boats. And during the war call the germans for these tanks for men power.
@@wj7158
It's from the standard issue Tiger manual itself.
And I think you got it reversed lol. The Bismark and Tirpitz were males along with many if not all Kriegsmarine vessels.
"Both are Spandaus, so it doesn't matter which was in the bow" Lindybeige.
LOL! :)
that guy is such a clown 🤦🏻♂️
His video on fire arrows is actually pretty good. The real problems occur with him when he deals with anything that involves England. His bias comes out a lot then.
Oh Lindy... * facepalms *
@@lowlandnobleman6746 You're not supposed to take him seriously. He's supposed to be enjoyed in a tongue in cheek fashion.
I love your videos, man. All facts properly sourced and clearly stated. Your thoughtfulness should be the gold standard in this age of questionable and oppinionated experts filling the waves.
Another masterpiece. Your videos are great.
Beautiful machine, definitely one of my favorites. Can't wait to get my Heng Long rc tank.
Outstanding video and presentation.
Bernhard, good video, I enjoyed it. Thanks
Outstanding video very informative ,thanks.
Thank you so much for this video.
Great information explained in a simple way. Good job. Cheers from Mexico City.
Great, very informative presentation. Danke!
so glad i found this channel, its great to hear a German historian providing good facts properly researched from the actual German records of the time.
too many historians gather their facts from the books of other historians which are often flawed data.
Well done Bernard, 'Not great, Not terrible' ;)
Very good presentation , thank you .
Hervorragende, da anschauliche Schilderungen, technisch detailliert, historisch astrein - und ohne diese oh-wei-oh-weih-üblichen politisch-korrekten Kommentare. - Respekt!
Excellent video, Amazing that the 88 on the Jagdpanther was super powerful and almost twice powerful as the Tiger 88.
@@AKUJIVALDO ~ Good engineering.
I Love the concept of a "Used Jagdpanther dealership" 😊👍🏻
A great Video, thank you!
really interesting video thank you a super machine I can't believe how much better at armor penetration it was than the feared Tiger. Amazing !
Very cool thanks for sharing.
i love the jagdpanther its shape stuck in my mind ever since i first saw it years ago
Your profile picture is supremely cursed
@@Kyle-gw6qp verily.
I remember seeing all the German TD for the first time as a kid with the little dinky car tanks, I was like yuk why they like a box they must be sniper tanks, but they lost to my Sherman's and Pershings all the time because they looked beter I thought at the time lol!
Now I think how did I like the shape of the Sherman over any Germans tank... lol
Everyone : "Wow such a beautiful tank"
Me : "Finally Hans not repaired the final drive after 100km mark !!!!"
HAHA MOM I TOLD ANOTHER TRANSMISSION JOKE, MOM AREN'T I FUNNY?!
@@bigguy1164 what
Dam good vid i just love your indept of it !
Thanks for the tips when going to the local Jagdpanther dealership. Now I know the right questions to ask.
8:28 Not great, not terrible. #Chernobyl
Lol
This tank is the supreme machine. I appreciate this.
Also note that the L/71 shoots a larger cartridge, the 88x822mm.
While the L/56 shoots the smaller 88x571mm.
Isnt it obvious?
It had an increase of armor penetration by 65%, while it was only 26% longer.
@@Paciat , not neccessarily so, I think, because the different cartridges (of same caliber guns) and their dimensions are rarely mentioned.
I love your humor bro... “Next time you go to the Used Jadgpanther Dealership” 🤣😂😆🤣😂😆😂😆
Thank you .
Great video of a great machine.
Beautiful, it's so awsome
I don't know why, but I always imagined you with long black hair hahaha. Love your videos and this one as well!
One of my favourite tanks.
Elegant Death.
But it's not a tank!
Some serious kitty power here
WOOO! My favourite as kid, got three models of Jagdpanther. Combines sexiness of Panther and Stug, in a way at least.
Finally learning what L71 means, Priceless!
great vid
Beautiful destroyer
Being a guest in Munster, I have actually seen this monster a year ago! ;-)
7:07
Arty counters camping in RL confirmed
Whow, im very interrested in the ww2 history and a Wot player for a very long time, exellent info
Cool Video....!!!
What a beautiful tank.
If they added reactive armor to it and upgraded the targeting and the ammunition this jagdpanther would still be competitive on the battlefield today.
I'm seeing nothing that could reliably target an attack helicopter- so I suspect it would have problems
@@MercenaryPen Its primary role would not be air targets, it would be infantry support, hard targets and medium to light armor.
@@ericb4127 It's not about targeting helicopters, it's about not getting killed by them.
SO COOL to see these survivors!
What a beautiful tank
Great video- thank you. Great talk on final drive reliability...facts are ignored by many biased authors.
Very cool
Used Jagdpanther dealerships HATE this guy using this ONE SIMPLE TRICK
Holy cow the thing is huge
The Kwk43/L71 was a monster. With a muzzle velocity of 1 Kilometre per second! I've heard an account from the Tank Musuem of it blowing the engine block of a T34 clean out the bank of the tank at 500 meters!
Yeahhhh I love this tank destroyer
Half way through the video I realized the panther had been shot multiple times. Lol.
He also got one in the engine room from the side, they dug the shell out of the engine when they restaurated the vehicle. The description plate in the museum says it. The hit on the collar was actually the fatal one, a clean penetration by an 17 punder (IIRC) APDS round.
@@thomaskositzki9424 doesn't look like a penetration 🤔
@@jackd1582 Because it is an APDS round. It is not a full calibre round of 76mm but a slim penetrator of around 30mm. The hole is very small.
@@thomaskositzki9424 Same thing happened to the one at the IWM in London, three clean hits from a 6pdr from the side into the rear of the crew compartment.
@@voiceofraisin3778 I know, I have visited IWM. ^^ Well, it was the most sensible thing to try and flank these monsters, I guess.
This guy does amazing work! Can we get a similar video of a panzer 4? Or jagdpanzer 38 t?
It's a beauty.
The Lamborghini under the Tanks. Sporty design with lots of edges. Very impressive, but at least a killing machine
Heeeey, my favourite Jagdpanther! I recognize it by its "scars" (aka shell impact) even before staring the video as I have seen it at least six times in Munster. ^^
Edit: would have liked some words on battle experience with these vehicles.
Thsts what I was looking at, was hopeful he was going to talk about the impacts and what caused it lol.
@@cowgoesmoo3850 Mooooo!
I can give you a short breakdown of what is said about them in the museum/what I concluded myself.
Front plate, the two impacts that are visible in the middle above the plate joints: 75/76mm AP rounds (my conclusion from size), deflected.
Two more dents that are not clearly identifiable.
One more impact on the bow that was repaired with putty.
Gun mantlet: one penetration by a 76mm (17pdr) APDS dart that finally took out the tank (this was said by the museum IIRC, although from the star-shaped carvings around it, it looks more like a hollow-charge impact).
Not visible: side-shot into the engine compartment between the road wheels and the upper hull. Shell was found when the tank was restored, caliber was not given.
Tough tank indeed. :)
A very stylish vehicle!
It's no wonder the Jagdpanther needed a strengthened drive. It must have had to work much harder than the drive in a turreted Panzer. And the driver too. He must have been a lot busier and had much more responsibility than a Panzer driver.
You mean turreted Panther and Panther Driver. Panther and Panzer are two different things and are not interchangeable. Panzer is short for Panzerkampwagen, which is the German word for tank. So, all Panthers were Panzers, but not all Panzers were Panthers.
@@Riceball01 I don't know much about tanks but I believe I said exactly what I meant. Using the adjective "turreted" with Panzer was merely to emphasize that feature and differentiate it from the Jagpanther. Now, as impressive as your knowledge so obviously is, perhaps you'd like to go pick your nits somewhere else.
@@JohnCampbell-rn8rz It's not nitpicking, Panzer and Panther are not synonymous. The former is short for tank in German and the latter is the name of a type of German tank, as well as a large feline. Something that I was merely pointing out, quite politely I might add, since it didn't appear that you were aware of that. If you were aware of that, then all you had to do was to say that you know the difference and leave it at that.
@@Riceball01 If you had actually read what I said and as I explained, I am well aware of what I meant and the words were chosen deliberately. Nowhere did I mention the Panther, in either of its forms, and I don't see how you can have read what I wrote and not see that. As for being polite and all that, get over it. You felt the need to satisfy your ego and correct a perceived error on my part. This is social media. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Point!
this tank can go ledges and bounce shots. not sure why the frontal plate never bounces a shell from a smasher, tankenstein, but it can bounce a shell from borsig.
great tank for gun assault. equip with 10.5 cm gun and it'll deal 300 damage which is recommended as a JPanther aficionado such as muah
One of the best looking TD’s
I never realized these were so rare!
6:45 What a beautiful machine!
Interesting how they called it Sturmgeschütz in the beginning. Shows how the concepts overlap.
Yeah
One of my favorites...
Where is that 'Used Jagdpanther Dealer' you refer to? I'd like to check out their inventory. This video is excellent. Please do a follow-up video on the damage to this vehicle. Did the hit on the mantlet-surround, actually penetrate? Any idea on what gun did that, and the other damage to the front of the vehicle? Thanks
"Me" being the no.222 of the production!
It’s one of my favorites.
I’m debating whether this audience would like the “Unbiased History of Rome”