The Weald Foundation's Jagdpanther
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- You should be familiar with Hilary Doyle by now, on this channel. Not only is his work basically the final word on German WW2 AFV design (See Panzer Tracts, with Tom Jentz), amongst other things also happens to be a Trustee of the Weald Foundation, so he spent a little while going over their Jagdpanther for me.
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That Jgd Pz wasn't restored, it was resurrected as barely anything was left of the tank by the one picture briefly shown. What a job, but so well done and so worth the effort.
Seriously. I've worked with a JgdPz in the Benning Armor Restoration Yard that has waaaay less damage to it. Like, just some shots from a Sherman Firefly in the hull and its waaay less operable than this thing.
its a jagdpanther, not jagdpanzer
@@mrzucc3605 jagdpanzer isn't wrong. Jagdpanzer was a classification that the jagdpanther came under.
Nathan Day that’s true. In this context it should be jagdpanther though.
Was the “Pig’s head mantlet” replaced because when I worked at the IWM, a guy came around and took wire frame cross sections of the museum’s Jagdpanther mantlet because they needed to cast a new one for a restoration.
1944: Oh shit! It's a Jagdpanther.
2019: Holy shit! It's a Jagdpanther. This is awesome!!!
Another thing. I don't think I've ever seen Mr. Doyle so very happy as when talking about this jagdpanther. His enthusiasm for the project is obvious and knowing from another video that it's his favorite AFV because his long time friend and collaborator on much of his writings served in one just makes this all the more enjoyable.
Jagdpanther Restoration
"The Germans always had special tools"
A statement that rings true to this day...
I am in the continuing process of restoring a 1977 R100RS BMW motorcycle, All of the special tools are made from unobtainium or require the sacrifice of a testicle to purchase. I have come to the conclusion that the Germans dont do anything without a special tool requirement lurking in the fine print somewhere.
Excellent reserection of a totally destroyed machine, thanks for posting.
Well the obvious negative is the need for a special tool. The not so obvious positive thing about a special tool is the almost complete freedome of designing the parts for specific uses without the need to include holes, chamvers or right angles needed or specific dimensions for seperation respectively montage of a part. I never needed a special tool to change the tothed belts of VW engines but the special tool makes the process almost fool proof and a lot less time consuming.
As the owner of a 1990 BMW K75s, I can only commiserate...
@@mandernachluca3774 Pretty much exactly the point of the German engineering tradition! Very nicely said. Trying to make most products use a small but universal tool set has its perks, but the definite cost is that many products will not be as efficient as they could be because they had to conform to the available tools. German engineering firms usually preferred to fine-tune the tools to work best for their products because the products can then be fine-tuned to perfection without need to defer. Neither system is wrong, just have different problems associated with them over the long-term. For sure, the truest losers are people trying to keep obsolete equipment running without having to sell gonads to finance it. I feel your pain, @dhc4ever
Try working on anything French. Almost every task requires special tools.
Also on the subject, I feel the British require a shout out. I firmly believe their engineers are lazy, making machines very difficult to work on, a bit more effort could have made them impossible to repair.
@@dougstubbs9637
Having worked on US, French and a smattering of British aircraft over the last 40 years I feel qualified to agree with you.
The French never got over loosing 2 world wars and always do things the French way, the English have a multitude of specifications and measurements dating back to the dark ages and a political system guarantee to shoot most successful designes in the arse for something less capable or cheaper.
The USA is vaguely aware there is a world outside their borders and have yet to implement metric, but their stuff is usually good to work on. Zee Germans well that's how this discussion started they also haven't gotten over loosing 2 world wars and just build things their way.
Cheers
That's a mighty big Hetzer you got there.
Yah. But that cat dont hetz!
@@beanhavok2287 Hetzer's gonna Hetz!
Nein! I'm just happy to zee you.
I'd take five Hetzers over one of these in my division any day, thank you very much. ;-)
@@MikaelKKarlsson
I'm not sure, the Hetzer is cheaper but the poor people in the compartment have no moving space at all. The Jagdpanther might not be that bad of a choice ;D.
What a remarkable restoration. I am so glad there are people who care enough to keep this living history alive.
Reborn out of the literal ashes of British target ranges and looks beautiful. They almost don't seem real seeing them in colour after years of seeing them in black and white books and film or at best coloured pictures.
Love seeing these war machines given a new lease on life.
So, seeing as you and Hilary know each other, and Hilary is on the Weald Fondation BoD, Jagdpanther Inside the Chieftain's Hatch when?
Just become a member of Weald Foundation - the HQ is not that far away from you!
@@hilarylouisdoyle1529 True, but I'm not the Chieftan.
We need to get these guys' knowledge documented in detail before they disappear.
CheshireTomcat68 Hilary has done quite a number of quite detailed books.
American WW2 tank maintenance philosophy- "Undo bolts, throw M1 spare from the fifty we have at the motor pool (stop by PX on way first for a prophylactic kit...we are in France after all..) smoke a Chesterfield, and good to go.
German- "We have zis special highly engineered jig to take apart our highly engineered tank and if we are lucky enough to have a spare that our mechanics fist fought for at the rail head vere good...
Russian - Hit with hammer, if no work replace tank. Soldiers and tanks are cheap comrades.
British- Get part with officers approval, have tea, spend 6 hours hand fitting otherwise beautifully made part to fit, have tea, good to go..
Well the obvious negative is the need for a special tool. The not so obvious positive thing about a special tool is the almost complete freedome of designing the parts for specific uses without the need to include holes, chamvers or right angles needed or specific dimensions for seperation respectively montage of a part. I never needed a special tool to change the tothed belts of VW engines but the special tool makes the process almost fool proof and a lot less time consuming.
Dan Schneider you missed the part with the German- send tank back to rear echelon maintenance depot , the only place maintenance jigs exist , over overstretched railway lines.
American engineer here. We are still strongly discouraged from requiring a special tool unless access control is important (i.e. preventing "maintenance" by someone utterly unqualified to do it). Its for the engineer's benefit almost as much as the users. No one wants to have to machine a special tool for a few thousand dollars just to put the prototype together.
@@francesconicoletti2547 its implied. Didn't want to write a novel of a comment. Also left out the part if you dont fix correctly you're shot by the Gestapo as a saboteur.
@@tomb66 It is GRATIFYING to see an engineer understands this 8) Have had to
do my own maintenance over the years for budget reasons and "special
tools" are an INFURIATING bane...I have passed on some nice used cars
because I noted in the Chilton the need for such things...
Saw one at Military Odyssey a couple of years ago, standing next to a 4 gun battery of 25-pounders, the Jagdpanther was on the other side of the field. 25-pounders gave a good account of themselves, but when the Jagdpanther fired, everybody jumped in the air ...
Always loved watching people be shocked when they see how big a bang AT guns make! Forgotten Weapons has a great video of a PAK 40 75mm which shows just how huge the shell cases and blast of that gun are. Compare that to a medium charge for a 25-pounder and it really hammers home the point that different guns doing different jobs will be very different experiences for the firers.
The 25-pounder was a war winner the Jagdpanther was not. Try to take out infantry in a town or city and see what is more effective. People are too obsessed with AFV's. German armour was ahead of it's time and so was allied artillery. Watch the movie 'Danger Close' and you see basic allied WW 2 technology in regards to artillery was still effective in the 60's.
@@CharlesvanDijk-ir6bl this has absolutely nothing to do with what they're talking about but 'k
@@CharlesvanDijk-ir6bl You never saw a sFH18 do you?
@@CharlesvanDijk-ir6blyou're based on hollywood movies, you moron! The history is different!
Beautiful restoration and 2 really great experts talking us through the vehicle.
I could listen to Hilary all day
This is an amazing piece of craftsmanship. To see how it looked on the range, and now this...is just wow.
An impressive amount of effort that went into making her whole again. Thanks for sharing.
A beautiful restoration. It's a shame that you don't see many, but that's what makes rare restorations like this special.
I could listen to Mr. Doyle forever, just as much as Chieftain. So much awesome knowledge. I'm glad that he does some videos to record some of these experiences that might not be found otherwise.
Crazy restoration, the interior probably looks better than new
I helped to restore a Soviet SU-76 but it was in mint condition compared to this wreck that has been so lovingly restored. Bravo, a work, well worth the doing. I had about 2,500 hours invested in the Suka and I loved every minute of it even the endless hours sandblasting the hull.
Video is 19 minutes and 44 seconds.... I see what you did there, sneaky chieften
when its actually 43seconds for some people ouch rip joke
I love seeing guys who are passionate about a subject taking about their hobby. It might be the closest thing you will ever see to pure happiness, excepting small children.
This astonishingly beautiful and even more impressive what they've managed when you popped that pic up, the left was completely gone and blown away. Simply amazing work, I wish all the best to the Weald Foundation.
Did it come with the original 75 year anti perforation warranty?
Against, stone chips, rock salt, trapped moisture, the odd 76mm A/P round or the equivalent H/E?
What a great guy to interview.
He certainly was excited to tell the history of it.
Hopefully, you'll get him to show off more vehicles in the Weald collection.
Great to see the Jagdpanther rolling around. I would love it if it could be taken to a range to fire it's gun again!
you can really tell Hilary is passionate about this, very nice
My favorite tank of all time.The Jagdpanther. WW II's best fighting vehicule. THe speed of a Panther , the gun of a King Tiger and better armor than the Panther as it lacked weak points and was lower. Kill anything at distance. Move when needed with great speed!! My personal WW II vehicule of choice ever since the mid 1970's! Beautiful.
Still probably the most beautiful armored vehicle.
This is the most beautiful TD ever made, IMO.
It's amazing the Germans were able to still do all the things necessary to produce such a vehicle so late in the war.
My favorite WWII AFV. Always just loved the lines of the Jagdpanther.
I always thought the JPan was the coolest looking AFV ever.
That and the hunting tiger both looking fucking mean and were.
At least it was roomy inside!
It is.1 of the most effective too
So sad so many historical tanks end up on ranges. Im a big fan of conquours id die to see a running specimen in person but so many ened up on ranges.
Well, back in the days it was just 'trash'. There is a video about the Soviet ATGM Malyutka, were they shoot at Pz. 4s...
Nowadays nobody blinks an eye when they shoot up T72s or T55s.
But indeed very sad
@@MrMezmerize well the difference is that T-72s and T-55s are still plentiful because they were so mass produced
Because in the US, they always need vehicles for ranges etc. Also, after you demilled them, you just could not put them up for auction. So it was easier just to park them on anti-tank, MK-19 or mortar ranges etc. Yes it is sad, but the US Army isn't the restoration business. Taxpayer dollars are spent on new and current vehickes, not 70 yo tanks.
@@UkrainianPaulie You can totally put an old tank up for auction and you don't need to demil them either, just remove any sensitive equipment on it and that's it. How else do you think these private collectors get their hands on all of their tanks? Steal them? Just look The Chieftain's series of videos from the Rock Island Arsenal where he does several inside the hatch videos on tanks and other vehicles being offered up for auction.
Well i think that considering the relatively low production numbers of some tanks like the jagpanther and the conq its a shame the rare ones end up as scrap but then im the kind of guy that would rescue every dog in need if i could.
Wait, did he say they were working on an AUTOLOADER for the Jagdpanther? That's crazy that they were working on such an idea in '44.
It was not a new idea even in 1944. It's just that there was never really a strong incentive to actually put one in a tank.
Actually the 128mm FLAK had at least a loader-assist / automatic loader
Beautifully done
Jagdpanther: By October 1944, the final drive problems had been worked out, lifting the expected life of the final drive from about 150 kilometers to over 500 kilometers. A skilled driver could get much more from it. Most of the other reliability issues were also resolved by Oct. 1944
Most beautiful piece of deadly steel ever!!!
Bravo for the Weald Foundation.
It’s in showroom condition, except for the missing side skirts!
To be fair, side-skirts had a habit of falling off continuously during the war, so it still reasonably representative. :)
Factory option
@Rafael Enriquez They didnt. They mean the plates alongside the tracks.
Well, I was at tankfest, and heard you telling the gentleman to talk about the vehicle as I was walking past. Disappointed to see that the video starts just a few seconds after I walk past the frame :D
hey chieftain i went to the American heritage museum in mass and it was amazing
I took my father for Father’s Day.
I was wicked impressed.
Wow, I did not realize anything like this even existed in the Bay State. I guess I have a weekend trip destination in the near future.
Glad to hear of the museum, but there are those, myself included, that consider that state to be enemy occupied territory due to their draconian firearms laws.
I've seen Hilary Doyle in another Chieftain vid and his knowledge of German WWII tanks is amazing.
A beautiful machine 😍 Thank goodness for the restoration team. She must be worth millions now
It’s priceless as the only running Jagdpanther out there as far as I know
Wow. I’m completely blown away. Thank the gods people like these guys exist to keep this history alive. I hope I can see this in person before I die.
I'm a scalemodeller and this kind of video's with inside and outside details are very interesting.
Hilary Doyle is the most knowledgeable person in the world regarding German WW2 Panzers.
I remember my dad telling me a story, about him shooting at Sd.kfz. 251 on a firing range with a M110 howitzer in the late 70's, or early 80's, in southern Germany.
Hilary is fantastic!!! hugely knowledgeable and entertaining ti talk to i really enjoyed your interview with Hilary, and you yourself Nick your knowledge about tanks and armoured ehicles are equally immense great video,s as per usual from you , with a fantastic overview armour going back to when it started.
Now this is a beast.
12:05 i was waiting for him to say "The ammunition is real."
I recall photographing a Jagdpanther at War&Peace show, around 2009, must have been that one i suppose. Wot a beast.
Fantastic video, and thank you and Hillary Doyle very much!!!!
Is anyone else giddy the time came out to be 1944?
I really like that Mr. Doyle makes an effort to pronounce the vehicles names and german cities the right way, English speakers rarely do that!
Boy I love this channel.
The size of those rounds! And you have two Jagpanthers, this one from the 116th Windhund Div no less. If I ever win the lotttery, I am getting one...
What a beautiful restoration, well done and super work completed ! My favorite fettekatze ! Thanks for posting . :P
What great work and knowledge.
Hm... I wonder if they could rebuild Maus.
Yeah I know they tried and decided to make something else at kublinka. Still seeing a Maus rolling about would have been a sight to remember...
At least we still have simulated Maus... But it lacks a bit.
Chieftain said that the amount of money required to restore the Maus was insane, and Wargaming just forgot about the idea because they weren't gonna make it back.
@@Biker_Gremling preety much, yeah. what ppl who didn't watch the The Chieftain's Hatch vid for the Maus is that the Maus is currently completely gutted, so if the russians wanna restore it, it's gonna cost a lot of money to basically reconstruct EVERYTHING from scratch
@@Wolvenworks Not necessarily, as they start from scratch they could use a modern engine and (hydraulic)powertrain and make it run.
@@2adamast depends. if the objective of the restoration is to make the maus move by any means possible that would be the solution. if they were to attempt a historically accurate restoration (which is what museums usually do), to put modern and unhistorical machinery would be sacrilege. so in this case they COULD, but you forgot to ask yourself if they SHOULD. in this case i highly doubt that they would ruin such a historical piece of machinery with a modern engine
Should have him on more often.
for me personally the Panther and Jagdpanther are some of the most beautiful engineering ever created by man , total harmony between man and machine
Knowing that it had a semaphore has made the Jagdpanther infinitely cooler to me.
Can we take a second to stare in utter awe at the raw *size* of the ammunition? Jesus F. Christ, that's taking "serious firepower" to a wholly different level. It's one thing to read "the 8.8cm was a terrifying weapon", it's another to see those rounds sitting on the racks...
Bravo. Not just for military history, but as an amazing example of historical preservation for current and future generations to learn about, and observe a part of real history from a very real war.
Fantastic video and unparalleled tank. Thank you and Hillary and the Weald Foundation for the restoration and for allowing you to make this video.
Cheers
Never noticed before but there's quite a significant shell trap on that tank all around the mantlet.
They figured it didn't matter because the range of the Pak43/L71 gun would kill any threat long before it could get close enough to take a shot.
There is no tank without this problem. And the trap on the Jagtpanter is small.
@@blueboats7530 In that case, why have any armour at all?
Blue Boats That's not how tank combat works
@@23GreyFox That's not strictly true. There are plenty of tanks that don't have such a glaring shell trap and many designs that don't have it at all. It would not matter so much with tanks that are easy to penetrate all over, such as the Sherman but on a design that lives and dies on the armour and the long range gun. I'd guess something like a Firefly putting a long range shell into that area is pretty much guaranteed to penetrate. It's center mass as well. Which makes it even worse. Pretty much any shell that hits that area is going to be pushed into the weak spot.
Wow, amazing restoration !
they basically built that tank looking at what it looked like i really dont want to know how much of a money pit that was but my god its beautiful and i love it my favourite tank destroyer and its operational
Fascinating. Thanks for the great video/interview.
Absolutely fantastic job. Always been fond of the Jagdpanther but there's so few of them in functional condition.
Interior footage of a Jagdpanther is almost non-existent. So this is a godsend! THANK YOU Chieftain!
Actually the Imperial War Museum has one with parts of the side armor removed IIRC
That's the spirit: You can participate from all over the world today, even the also very important background research, the story around this all. I for example in Hannover, where the MNH (Maschinenfrabrik Niedersachsen Hannover) produced til '45 and near the memorial of the KZ-Außenlager Hannover-Ahlem, where all the forced labourers were imprisoned under the worst conditions, forced to build the production facility for the Panthers (and other Warmaterial) 12 hours a day. It had the highest mortality rate of all KZs in and around Hannover, in times around 44 people the week (!). These are awesome machines and SO much worth to preserve in running order, but all the crimes that were commited to establish these accomplishments are important to remember too, IMO.
All the more important to preserve them, so stuff like this is remembered and not forgotten.
The WTS in Coblence (Koblenz) is just a stone throw away from my place. I recommend to pay a visit.
It's insane how big ww2 tanks are.
This is my favorite tank ever and I’d love to go to see inside this one
This is really, REALLY neat. The foundation did an astonishing resturation work with all the attention to detailing. Hilary also seem like a great guy with abundance of knowledge :) Thx for doing this vid, Chieftain. :)
One of my favs. Looks so menacing and slick.
Marvelous bit of "re-manufacturing" of a total wreck that most would just walk away from, and who would blame them?
I didn't know about the direction semaphore thing at all!
Jagdpanther of Theseus
The German words used are perfect !!
It's amazing what a little rubbing compound and some elbow grease can do...
And 2m GBP
Eight fuckin' years... Got to applaud their dedication.
Beautiful
What an educational video and an even sexier vehicle!
My favorite tank since I was a kid
Wow, what an amazing project and an amazing effort by the Weald foundation. Thanks for this video!
When i was about 10 my parents took me to a small armour museum in Angola Indiana. They had a tank similar to the jagpanther.
Everyone gangsta until transmission pop out from behind.
My number one ☝️ favourite tank of ww2 so nice to see the interior for the first time excellent restoration and what an awesome beast 🤩❤️!!!
Very imformative video and the work of the Weald Foundation is greatly appreciated!
Amazing.
Amazing work and always nice to see Hillary Doyle's knowledge being displayed.
In fact...a second Operation Think Tank...would be the best thing ever.
Hillary Doyle, Tanks historian, with 32 books to his name, He is perhaps the most knowledgeable person left alive on WW2 German tanks.
5:37 What on earth was that guy thinking, to walk in like that when it’s blatantly obvious they’re filming.
such tragedy
The same mentality that has people to stop and stare at a road accident i suppose.....
The real star if this year show
I ran across either a Königs Tiger or Panther a few years ago at a range and just cringed as it was being shot up. It was nothing more than a husk and I couldn't tell the difference beyond basic shape. Its so good seeing a cat brought back from sad wreck to a proud war machine.
Great interior shot............now thats my idea of tank.
Talk about standing in awe .. I am gobsmacked. Now, this is what You Tube is for (if anyone at YT is ever paying attention to what the viewer thinks).
Are there any detailed descriptions or accounts explaining how and where they find all the parts to rebuild something like this? It seems almost like magic that these restoration people can find all the pieces they need to rebuild something as heavily destroyed as this.
Blueprints and machine tools most likely, reverse-engineering and machine tools otherwise.
@@mortimersnerd8044 There's that and copying its counterpart on the other side of the vehicle, assuming that it's a part in which there's more than one of on the vehicle and the other part is still there and/or in good condition.
The detailed descriptions would be available to you if you join the Weald Foundation.
@@glynwelshkarelian3489 interesting. That's actually extremely intriguing, because almost everything I have ever seen regarding tank restoration (with the exception of the Tank Diaries which have gotten close) tends to handwave over the really interesting parts. Like, hey in the before picture, the tank is filled with bullet holes, and in the after picture it is pristine. Or, in the before picture the interior is empty, and after it has every single switch, fitting, knob, light, handle, plate, etc. I always wanna know how on Earth they got there, but most everything I have seen just focused on putting a wheel back on or something.
Hillary is such a wealth of information, he really is a treasure trove to the world of tank restoration and history.