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A self propelled howitzer's load capacity helps for a hasty or hip shoot but that's about it. By the time you get the gun laid in and zeroed the ammo browser can be in postion so it doesn't really help to have on board ammo. It does however reduced the need for resupply.
@@frogsgottalent1106 what is it about frogs and fascists. Some edgy far right meme? I bet if Hitler was telling you to wear a maak you'd wear a mask. Nazis. I hate Nazis.
Wow this video is fantastic. Every line is a point. Your channel deserve more subscriber. According to my account your channel is the best channel on UA-cam I liked your channel very much. Your channel is my favourite .I liked your all videos. Please keep up this type of work in future please. Your all videos are stunning. I am your old subscriber from 500 subs But can you please make a video on Skanderbeg?
there is usually a tank festival like in bovington. it´s called stahl auf der heide, i was 19 there.. it´s amazing, i mean the museum and the show too! Most exiting thinks to me were: goliath, t34-85, sturmtiger, king tiger, jagdpanther, Jagdpanzer 4/hetzer, stealth Leopard, m109 and the plastik tiger and 88mm gun.
I lived in Berlin for 6 months last year. Sadly the Pandemic prevented me from traveling to Munster as the Museum was closed for the duration of my stay in Germany.
I had a final drive explode during maneuvers in Kuwait. The spinning drive shaft ripped a hole in the floor beneath my feet and ripped out the wiring harness. We were down for months (which got me out of a lot of field exercises).
@@sachyriel thankfully we were going down a hill and was “coasting” as much as you can in a tracked vehicle. My foot was on a small footrest so thankfully it just shredded the floor underneath. I heard the pop over the engine and the CVC helmet and the TC yelling at me to stop. I pulled one tiller (I was driving a M113A2) and we turned slightly right. I pulled the left one and nothing happened, so I knew the link between the left final drive and the differential was severed. We rolled to a halt and then I got out to look at the damage. When I opened the hatch I saw metal shards everywhere and that’s when I noticed the hole in the floor. The top gear in the final drive had exploded, spraying oil all over the compartment. We had to get towed back into the FOB where I sat playing PS2 for a few months while supply tried to find a wiring harness in Germany to ship. And of course a new final drive.
@@StoutProper it was a motor pool draw from the depot in Kuwait City, which had been there since the Gulf War. I had to leave our normal vehicle back in the US.
I find it interesting the Hummel suffered from so many mechanical failures because German reports that I've read about the Nashorn (despite being nearly identical in design and weight) indicate that it was one of the more mechanically reliable AFV in the Pazerwaffe.
Interesting, 2 likely points 150mm was likely heavier than the 88 and/or recoil, second training the artillery guys switched from towed to self-propelled, the Panzerjäger likely from Marder etc. To Nashorn.
Another thing was angle since most artillery went past 20-40 degress quite a lot for fire missions while AT was mostly flat shooting. So all the recoil was down and through the chassie with the Hummel.
@@ChrisS-fh7zt Yeah, I suspect that the 15cm sFH18's recoil was probably pretty severe, and as you say the force was directed in an oblique angle so there was likely extra stress put on the drivetrain.
Also probably different volume of fire. You tend to fire a lot more when you're doing indirect bombardments on call (up ten....east forty.... fire for effect until we tell you to stop) vs when you're shooting at direct fire targets (bang, oh look it's on fire, next)
I need to praise you for associating your channel closely with the Panzermuseum. Being aligned with a professional museum legitimizes your content as an educational resource. It's an important part of making sure you recieve due credit for all your research and use of first-hand sources.
I have always enjoyed learning about SPGs like the Hummel and Priest, but my favourite SPG is definitely the Willys Jeep, armed with a recoiless rifle!
Ah the self-propelled gun that siezed control of Alcatraz Island and threatened to use chemical weapons on San Francisco before being stopped by Sean Connery and a plucky Nic Cage.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Could you clarify something for me please and that is something I have heard about the difference in degrees when it comes to armor like the germans would give it one number and so with other countries, it could be that I've confused myself so please clarify?
@@robertcolajezzi5273 Your wording allows for several interpretations, are you talking about the inclination (slope) of armour? The model series designation? What do you mean?
@@MrZauberelefant I think what I was trying to get at was supposedly for example the slope of the armor like one country would say it's such and such degrees while another country would give it another number for the same angle just wanted clarification or I probably just confused myself or something like that and thank you for replying
I remember loving the Hummel when I was playing the old Avalon Hill game Panzer Blitz, way back in the early 80s. She was a monster on the battle field.
Your English pronounciation has improved a great deal. I never had it easy when trying to figure out the South-German & Austrian dialects. I can understand the northern German dialects fairly easily (I only know Finnish & Finnish dialect of Swedish & English), but the southern German dialects are truly hard for me.
@@neilwilson5785 Yes, yes, yes. But as English is my 3rd language, it isn't that easy understanding different dialects. My worst experiences in this have been when trying to understand some English people!
@Swideru _Swetter the museum is in munster, not münster. but yes, munster is rather up in the north. thing is, MHV isnt from around munster but from the south, so yeah :)
I love your deep dives into German WW2 history. It's really enlightening, considering what sources have been considered in the western world over the last 80 odd years.
@@AKUJIVALDO Giving example of smaller caliber SPGs is very relevant to show the role of strategy differences. And the video is not even comparing abilities of SPGs from different countries, so I really don't see any bias here. This is my conclusion. Yours is different, but we both have them based on the same facts. So perhaps we are biased, not the video/facts?
@@watcherit1311 It's like comparing CV manufacturing between Japan and the USA throughout WW2. It's not a condemnation of Japan's moral fiber. It highlights the difference of manufacturing capacity and the logistical impacts. Don't feed the Wehraboos after midnight. They're a bit like gremlins.
@@AKUJIVALDO What Panzerhaubitze 2000? If you're confusing 2 SPA pieces that were made more than 50 years apart it's hard to take you seriously. > US didn't made much of 155mm SPA pieces The thousands of M12 GMC, M40 GMC, and M41 HMC that were produced say different.
The production numbers seem to be in line with primary & secondary American sources. In the MTO & ETO American field artillery units used a large number of light & medium self propelled guns at the divisional level, but were very dependent on towed guns for the larger calibers(155mm, 203mm & 240mm). While most American formations(Divisional & smaller) were heavily motorized/mechanized, even these units at corps level & higher were supported by towed gun carriages rather than with self propelled guns.
There's a little difference in the intended usage by different countries. If I am correct, Hummel and Wespe were designed from the outset as indirect fire field artillery. The US M12 was designed for direct fire "bunker busting." The M7 was designed for indirect fire, but records show that it was used as an "assault gun" for direct infantry assault, a role for which it was not intended. I'd also like to throw out the Italian Semovente 149/40 as another equivalent vehicle, as well as the British Bishop. And don't forget about the Soviet SU-5 and SU-26, although these were produced in small quantities.
Wut? Have you seen a bloody M12? How is that designed for anything other than indirect fire? (Yes I know what they did with them at Aachen. Not exactly what they were designed for.)
How is the M12, with zero armor for the crew (not even frontal cover like with the M7), and a rear plate that had to be dropped to fire, designed for direct fire?
@@hailexiao2770 M12 was a small production run and then languished as a training vehicle until it was decided to overhaul some and send to Europe. Chamberlain and Ellis note it was intended for long range bombardment.
Seems to me that despite its shortcomings the competition wasn't even in the ballpark. The M12 & M40 weren't even in the same league. The Hummel was clearly the best 15 cm SP howitzer going (not including infantry guns of the Grille type). That said, maybe the one fellow was right, the Panther chasis might have been better. Still, I'm a Hummel fan.
Good episode. I hope you get around to the 105mm leichte Feldhaubitze 18/1 L/28 auf Waffenträger Geschützwagen IVb (Heuschrecke 10) which is the vehicle was the vehicle proposed to replace the Wespe and which at least reached the prototype stage. The replacement for the Hummel never left the drawing board.
Just caught this one. Nice work. It just goes to show; without the proper training and logistical support, even the best weapon systems will fail to live up their potential.
Why Hitler forbid the name, did he really bothered with trivialities like naming a vehicles? Would love to see vid about M7 Priest in the future if possible, keep rocking Bernhard.
Even though the US may not have a lot of large SP artillery, I would like to see how much large towed artillery there was. Plus the US had a large amount of "flying artillery".
If my memory serves me right,the Hummel's lower hull is actually as wide as a regular Pz III's lower hull (which is wider than a Pz IV's LH) but also longer than a regular Pz IV LH. This also contributes to the nomination of the vehicle.
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Another nice Video from my favourit museum. Quite an intersting vehicle. You really must have stayed there a while, whit all the Videos you put out so far :)
Calling it the Hummel for brevity and sanity AND because doing what Hitler hated feels so SATISFYING. Also i like Hummeln... Bumblebees, the actual ones. Plus i have to check what "brevity" means. Interesting term, first i ever hear it. It means pretty much "in short".
Now we need a comparison, including problems, with towed (horses or tractors) artillery. When it rains or snows the compartment gets soaked... The comrades with the horses would laugh (Hummel ca800 others ca7400 total Produktion. max stock ca 3000 44/45)
So, hitler had a problem with the name: Wespe and Hummel "bumbelbee" (maybe not too epic like tiger or puma) but dont have any kind of problem with the name of the moving continent that was the Panzer Maus.
Lots of great information, but I was not convinced that the chassis was fatally overburdened. It seemed that most of the failures described were not due to fundamental flaws in the machine, but rather to operation by untrained or undertrained troops.
Could you do one with the Nashorn at somepoint please? It's quite a rare vehicle to get any sort of information on compared to the Hummel I think it's interesting who people say it's built on a panzer 4 chassis / hull but it must have been a new production hull or a panzer 3 hull that we know they cut the rear end off of to make the casemate fighting compartment but if you put a panzer 4 next to them you'll notice there the same width as a panzer 3! So they must have just took the sisl from the panzer 4 and put it on the lengthend panzer 3 narrower hull! They used the final drive from panzer 3 and gear box this is just the research I've found out that it's not actually a panzer 4 hull it's a lengthend panzer 3
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized yes I know it's exactly the same but a totally different machine! Trying to find anything about it like walk arounds for inside the fighting compartment etc it's just cause I'm an Armour modeller I build alot of high accuracy model's for when the war and peace shows and ipms model shows for competitions and for people to enjoy the dioramas! I'm building the Nashorn production variant just now it seems to be the easiest one to find anything about but the early 164 hornisse to a late mod production model etc it's just not an SP that there's much information for research!
I know the Nashorn started with the name Hornisse but I'm surprised they didn't give the name to the Hummel. To go from a wasp to a bumblebee is a bit of a step down considering the increase in hitting power. Hummel should have been called Hornisse and the Nashorn should have been called Volgelspinne Falke.
Back in the day, me and my buddies would play Panzer Blitz and Squad leader by Avalon Hill. The first time we saw the name Hummel we nearly lost our minds laughing. The big bad Wehermacht used, what we thought, was an hilarious name.
I am sure someone in the Wehrmacht must have said, around 1939, that wouldn't it be wise to make all the Panzerwaffe's vehicles based off the same Panzer chassis? They had all these plans to have self-propelled guns, support-fire and anti-tank tanks, and everything, and yet every one had its own chassis with just enough differences between them to compromise, if not outright make impossible, the interchangeability of parts. It is almost a shock that someone managed to get the Panzer III and Panzer IV to share the same engine after a while.
Long nominclature it is indeed. Quite descriptive ... Bet all the German clerks wished the Heer used the UA Army "M" system & abbreviations. For example, 105 mm HMC M7 (HMC = howitzer motor carriage). I doubt any front line US Army soldier said send me a platoon of "Tank, medium, 75 mm gun M4A3E8" but rather "get the medium tanks up here now g*d d*mn it!! A Brit might say "get the Sherman Vs ..." using the UK short nominclature fir the lend lease M4A4. No wonder Wespe & Hummel remained in use (even if whispered).
Schwere Feldhaubitze 18/1 auf Fahrgesfell Panzerkampfwagen III/IV Selbstfahrlafette... A slight mouthful, should be easy to say... I think. Edit: Most definitely NOT EASY TO SAY
I can always amaze my anglo-saxon friends with words like "Mietschuldenfreiheitsbescheinigung", which they often need in Germany to get an (decent) apartment... "Now you`re just making fun of me!" "You`re making this up!" etc. ... :D The last line of defense is not a German tank, but the German language... ;) And Bernhard is, of course, not German, but Austrian...I guess, it`s a little bit like the difference from beeing from Pennsylvania and beeing from Ontario...at least he`s not from Vienna... ;P Ok ok, I stop right here! No hard feelings...I hope... ;)
So the lack of proper training for the Hummel's crew was a major handicap for the best use of the weapon. If the Heer was in urgent need of a self-propelled gun, this case resulted nearly in a fiasco!
well, "AH" for Avalon Hill might be not the best shortcut because most people will associate those letters differently in the context of WW2, even I had to stop and think for a second.
I have watched about two dozen's of this channel's vids and I have yet to experience ONE vid where this dude actually got the balls to admit that this or that german design was actually a good one basically EVERY german piece of armament gets trash talked into oblivion - well have fun doing so
ua-cam.com/video/1xTQ-oyo-G4/v-deo.html > and I have yet to experience ONE vid where this dude actually got the balls to > admit that this or that german design was actually a good one did it occur to you, that I generally rarely say that a design was a "good one"? > basically EVERY german piece of armament gets trash talked into oblivion - well have fun doing so maybe or maybe you are used to people talking that constantly state how "great", "excellent", etc. something was, I generally don't use superlatives in my videos irrelevant of the faction.
> What about Sexton production, 2150 produced in Montreal 1944-45, 25 lbr gun on Ram and later Grizzly, chassis 25 pounder has 88mm, so a quite different. It might make some sense to bring the Sexton up in the Wespe video. Since the Wespe had 105mm, but then again this was the same caliber as the Priest.
I guess if something similar was developed today, then it would have some sort of trail or stabilising arms that would (in favourable conditions) be deployed before firing the gun, to use the ground to absorb recoil.
Total production number is interesting but does not really reflect how many were on the field usually, against how large enemy units. It is might not even be possible to dig up such an info.
its interesting to see that really only the germans and americans made a lot if different self propelled artillery as far as i can remember. weird to see the soviets nor the british made many models.
All this complication and expense for a single unit. You understand why the Germans almost always were outgunned in the field. At Kursk, the Soviets could deploy hundreds of towed guns, as they were on the defensive. This proved overwhelming at the end of the day, an insurmountable advantage.
I wonder if using a drive sprocket and final drive from the Panzer IV would have been better or worse than the Panzer III J parts that they actually used.
No, the SU-152 was primarily designed as as a direct fire heavy assault gun, roughly on par with the German 15cm Sturmpanzer-IV. It was not intended for indirect fire support.
@@SirAntoniousBlock Yes, but not to get pedantic Brummbar was never a nickname Germans used during the war. They called it the "Stupa" a contraction of Sturm Panzer (Stu-Pa).
I think that despite the long list of shortcomings in the design of the self-propelled guns, the Hummel was a modern and successful vehicle for that period of time. With a high degree of unification and standardization of parts that could be replaced relatively quickly. The Hummel production used components from the T-3 and T-4 tanks and a standard heavy 150 mm howitzer, which also reduced the cost of the design and speeded up production. In addition, Hummel has his own military biography, which is also not unimportant. I think that Hummel was a successful machine for that period of time. 🙂
Yeah. I always preferred the Hummels to the Wespe's when playing Panzer Blitz and Steel Panthers. From the title of the video - I expected a remark about the effect of such a large gun on the chassis but if there was I seem to have missed it ... As to all the problems the Germans had with break downs, lack of spares and poorly filled out TO&E ... the solution to all that was easy ... don't go to war in the first place ... and ... if you do ... don't declare war on the USSR & USA within six months of each other ... .
> From the title of the video - I expected a remark about the effect of such a large gun on the chassis but if there was I > seem to have missed it ... pretty sure it came up in one of the experience reports
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized OK. This is the part I had read but not understood: _"The Hummeln (15-cm gun) have proved less successful. As a result of two barrel bursts, the cause of which could not be determined, the 6th battery had only four guns from July 22,1943. (The Chassis were not damaged by the barrel bursts). As a result of the much too weak final drive, these four guns failed continuously one after the other, especially on heavy ground, during the frequent short periods of mud, so that the 6th battery usually had only three, in places only two, heavy field howitzers ready to fire. The 14 rounds of ammunition carried on board were not sufficient [Note: Other sources indicate 18 rounds, possibly earlier version?] The suggested Chassis for the heavy field howitzer is the Panther."_ I was expecting a comment saying that it was the _firing_ of the heavy gun that had been to much for the chassis it was mounted on - but - that may not have been what you intended. Possibly it was just the weight of carrying such a big gun over rough terrain that was the problem - and a more powerful chassis like that of the Panther - with a better horse power to weight ratio would have been better. I didn't see any other section that referred to insufficiencies in the chassis itself but rather to crew comfort and ammunition capacity. Here - perhaps a Panther Chassis might have helped as well. ??? Oh - and I liked how you showed the Semi-fixed Separate Loading ammunition. I've mentioned elsewhere how that worked with the gun crew able to adjust the number of powder bags in the shell - so that the weapon could use both elevation and powder charge to control where the round went. Thus enabling Howitzers, unlike guns, to fire _over_ obstacles and drop their rounds immediately on the far side of them. .
yes, it was too heavy for the chassis or at least that is what the writer of the report assumes, namely that the final drive failed. Suggesting the Panther is not without irony here, because it is rather well known for problems with its final drive.
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A self propelled howitzer's load capacity helps for a hasty or hip shoot but that's about it. By the time you get the gun laid in and zeroed the ammo browser can be in postion so it doesn't really help to have on board ammo. It does however reduced the need for resupply.
@@frogsgottalent1106 The Germans have pride or else there wouldn't even be Germany today, for better or for worse, it is what it is.
@@frogsgottalent1106 what is it about frogs and fascists. Some edgy far right meme? I bet if Hitler was telling you to wear a maak you'd wear a mask. Nazis. I hate Nazis.
Wow this video is fantastic. Every line is a point. Your channel deserve more subscriber. According to my account your channel is the best channel on UA-cam I liked your channel very much. Your channel is my favourite .I liked your all videos. Please keep up this type of work in future please. Your all videos are stunning. I am your old subscriber from 500 subs
But can you please make a video on Skanderbeg?
"You were expecting the Panzers' greatest enemy to be the red army, but it was me, the final drive."
Nice, love the JoJo reference
You take that back !!! 😂😂😂😂😂
Being a kid: 2 minute conversations about MG42.
Being a man: 2 hour conversations about Artillery.
Criminally underrated comment
Being an old man: 2 day conversation on logistics
@@Blackjack701AD very true
@@Blackjack701AD hahaha thiiiis
@@ScumfuckMcDoucheface hahaha thiiis
The rallying call for us all: "Hello everyone, we are at the PanzerMuseum Munster" I'd love to visit one day.
Its great. Nothing more to say.
there is usually a tank festival like in bovington. it´s called stahl auf der heide, i was 19 there.. it´s amazing, i mean the museum and the show too! Most exiting thinks to me were: goliath, t34-85, sturmtiger, king tiger, jagdpanther, Jagdpanzer 4/hetzer, stealth Leopard, m109 and the plastik tiger and 88mm gun.
I lived in Berlin for 6 months last year.
Sadly the Pandemic prevented me from traveling to Munster as the Museum was closed for the duration of my stay in Germany.
One day soon Neil, I'll be retired, and we plan to tour a lot of Europe in a camper van or with a caravan, and this is on the agenda!
@@janderfuchs3843 Is that a driving/working Sturmtiger?!
I had a final drive explode during maneuvers in Kuwait. The spinning drive shaft ripped a hole in the floor beneath my feet and ripped out the wiring harness. We were down for months (which got me out of a lot of field exercises).
Were you okay, like did your boots save you, was it a near miss, any shrapnel from the floor flying it was it more of a peeling tear?
@@sachyriel thankfully we were going down a hill and was “coasting” as much as you can in a tracked vehicle. My foot was on a small footrest so thankfully it just shredded the floor underneath. I heard the pop over the engine and the CVC helmet and the TC yelling at me to stop. I pulled one tiller (I was driving a M113A2) and we turned slightly right. I pulled the left one and nothing happened, so I knew the link between the left final drive and the differential was severed. We rolled to a halt and then I got out to look at the damage. When I opened the hatch I saw metal shards everywhere and that’s when I noticed the hole in the floor. The top gear in the final drive had exploded, spraying oil all over the compartment. We had to get towed back into the FOB where I sat playing PS2 for a few months while supply tried to find a wiring harness in Germany to ship. And of course a new final drive.
Good old aluminum hulls. Popped open like a tab on a beer can. : ) Glad to hear none of your crew were injured.
@@Blackjack701AD nice to see the us military is just as incompetent
@@StoutProper it was a motor pool draw from the depot in Kuwait City, which had been there since the Gulf War. I had to leave our normal vehicle back in the US.
I find it interesting the Hummel suffered from so many mechanical failures because German reports that I've read about the Nashorn (despite being nearly identical in design and weight) indicate that it was one of the more mechanically reliable AFV in the Pazerwaffe.
Interesting, 2 likely points 150mm was likely heavier than the 88 and/or recoil, second training the artillery guys switched from towed to self-propelled, the Panzerjäger likely from Marder etc. To Nashorn.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Makes sense!
Another thing was angle since most artillery went past 20-40 degress quite a lot for fire missions while AT was mostly flat shooting. So all the recoil was down and through the chassie with the Hummel.
@@ChrisS-fh7zt Yeah, I suspect that the 15cm sFH18's recoil was probably pretty severe, and as you say the force was directed in an oblique angle so there was likely extra stress put on the drivetrain.
Also probably different volume of fire. You tend to fire a lot more when you're doing indirect bombardments on call (up ten....east forty.... fire for effect until we tell you to stop) vs when you're shooting at direct fire targets (bang, oh look it's on fire, next)
“A ‘panzerstein’ monster”
I’m wheezing
haha right? that was so god damn good.
Yep, I love the little fun jokes he throws into nearly all his videos, but cough & you'll miss them - mostly delivered as dry as a desert. 😊
I need to praise you for associating your channel closely with the Panzermuseum.
Being aligned with a professional museum legitimizes your content as an educational resource.
It's an important part of making sure you recieve due credit for all your research and use of first-hand sources.
Can you make a video on the importance that captured tanks played in the German armies and others in general during WWII? Thanks!
great idea, that would be a very interesting topic
That might be covered in the Beutewaffen episode about recovered weapons
I would love to know about how the captured french tanks seen in footage of the battle of paris were used, captured tanks is a very interesting topic.
@@BiggestCorvid Link?
@@TreeBarkSide check his beutwaffe playlist...it's good
Hitler forbade it being called _"bumblebee"_ see kids I told you he was a mean old killjoy.
After hearing this I lost all respect for that man
Transpanzers! RPBOTS IN DESGUISE!
I have always enjoyed learning about SPGs like the Hummel and Priest, but my favourite SPG is definitely the Willys Jeep, armed with a recoiless rifle!
Why not m113 with Davy crockett
Despite its flaws, its nice to have some heavy arty with your armor when you run into infantry.
Oh boy, it's better if you have it.
Better than nothing
Ah the self-propelled gun that siezed control of Alcatraz Island and threatened to use chemical weapons on San Francisco before being stopped by Sean Connery and a plucky Nic Cage.
Oh man, apparently I don't remember nearly as much of The Rock as I thought and need to rewatch it ASAP.... that one and ConAir... SO good.
😂 🤣 It also reworked Arlington when it dropped off its medal of honor
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Could you clarify something for me please and that is something I have heard about the difference in degrees when it comes to armor like the germans would give it one number and so with other countries, it could be that I've confused myself so please clarify?
@@robertcolajezzi5273 Your wording allows for several interpretations, are you talking about the inclination (slope) of armour? The model series designation? What do you mean?
@@MrZauberelefant I think what I was trying to get at was supposedly for example the slope of the armor like one country would say it's such and such degrees while another country would give it another number for the same angle just wanted clarification or I probably just confused myself or something like that and thank you for replying
I remember loving the Hummel when I was playing the old Avalon Hill game Panzer Blitz, way back in the early 80s. She was a monster on the battle field.
Ah yes,Hummel's and wesps,,, and the rat patrol,that thirteen moving Brit jeep lol.
@@robertwokosin1293- wow. I had forgotten about the Rat Patrol. Sweat mother of God, that was more than 40 years ago the last time I saw that show.
@@Abby_Normal_1969 thank you , for reminding me about an old favorite. That jeep always seemed to have just enough reach to make the difference. Lol
I didn't know that about the III/IV background. I counted 8 road wheels, I assumed IV.
Your English pronounciation has improved a great deal. I never had it easy when trying to figure out the South-German & Austrian dialects. I can understand the northern German dialects fairly easily (I only know Finnish & Finnish dialect of Swedish & English), but the southern German dialects are truly hard for me.
I'm a Brit from South England. I've never had a problem understanding MHV. It's like an ascended English accent somehow.
and for this Ami, although I am enjoying the adjustments to my universal translator. ;-)
@@neilwilson5785 Yes, yes, yes. But as English is my 3rd language, it isn't that easy understanding different dialects. My worst experiences in this have been when trying to understand some English people!
dont worry, southern dialects are hard to understand for other germans, too :)
@Swideru _Swetter the museum is in munster, not münster. but yes, munster is rather up in the north.
thing is, MHV isnt from around munster but from the south, so yeah :)
As a model builder, I found this video quite helpful. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Ah yes, almost as quick as the regrets of the engineers who had to explain why this Wunderwaffe is flawed.
Uberwunderwagon*...? =)
Fast, Cheap, Effective. Pick any two.
@@JimFortune sounds like my kind of lady.
This is one of my favorite WW2 Vehicles
I love your deep dives into German WW2 history. It's really enlightening, considering what sources have been considered in the western world over the last 80 odd years.
@@AKUJIVALDO Stating facts is not craping (even if you don't like those facts).
@@AKUJIVALDO Giving example of smaller caliber SPGs is very relevant to show the role of strategy differences. And the video is not even comparing abilities of SPGs from different countries, so I really don't see any bias here. This is my conclusion. Yours is different, but we both have them based on the same facts. So perhaps we are biased, not the video/facts?
@@watcherit1311 It's like comparing CV manufacturing between Japan and the USA throughout WW2. It's not a condemnation of Japan's moral fiber. It highlights the difference of manufacturing capacity and the logistical impacts.
Don't feed the Wehraboos after midnight. They're a bit like gremlins.
@@AKUJIVALDO What Panzerhaubitze 2000? If you're confusing 2 SPA pieces that were made more than 50 years apart it's hard to take you seriously.
> US didn't made much of 155mm SPA pieces
The thousands of M12 GMC, M40 GMC, and M41 HMC that were produced say different.
The production numbers seem to be in line with primary & secondary American sources. In the MTO & ETO American field artillery units used a large number of light & medium self propelled guns at the divisional level, but were very dependent on towed guns for the larger calibers(155mm, 203mm & 240mm). While most American formations(Divisional & smaller) were heavily motorized/mechanized, even these units at corps level & higher were supported by towed gun carriages rather than with self propelled guns.
Lol, I used to pronounce "Hummel" incorrectly all my life.
I have a complete book set on words that I pronounce incorrectly ;)
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized that is just a german - austrian dictionary ;)
If you pronounced it like I think you did, that would make it an (ex)male sheep in german...just saying ;-)
I always liked the Hummel despite its shortcomings. A few fixes and it would've been a great friend of the infantry and armor in the attack.
This is the best channel ..
There's a little difference in the intended usage by different countries. If I am correct, Hummel and Wespe were designed from the outset as indirect fire field artillery. The US M12 was designed for direct fire "bunker busting." The M7 was designed for indirect fire, but records show that it was used as an "assault gun" for direct infantry assault, a role for which it was not intended. I'd also like to throw out the Italian Semovente 149/40 as another equivalent vehicle, as well as the British Bishop. And don't forget about the Soviet SU-5 and SU-26, although these were produced in small quantities.
Wut? Have you seen a bloody M12? How is that designed for anything other than indirect fire? (Yes I know what they did with them at Aachen. Not exactly what they were designed for.)
How is the M12, with zero armor for the crew (not even frontal cover like with the M7), and a rear plate that had to be dropped to fire, designed for direct fire?
Bishop was basically a stopgap solution. Soon passed over (with good reason) for Priest and Sexton.
@@hailexiao2770 M12 was a small production run and then languished as a training vehicle until it was decided to overhaul some and send to Europe. Chamberlain and Ellis note it was intended for long range bombardment.
I love the top gun quote .. Hummel, your 150mm gun is writing cheques your chassis can’t cash!
Reminds me of the "Elephant". Another self propelled howitzer that was too big and when damaged, left in the field.
Excellent video! Thank You, Bernhard!
Cool to put a person to the voice.
0:08 I love it when you speak long german words, please do it more often. :D
Seems to me that despite its shortcomings the competition wasn't even in the ballpark. The M12 & M40 weren't even in the same league. The Hummel was clearly the best 15 cm SP howitzer going (not including infantry guns of the Grille type). That said, maybe the one fellow was right, the Panther chasis might have been better. Still, I'm a Hummel fan.
Good episode. I hope you get around to the 105mm leichte Feldhaubitze 18/1 L/28 auf Waffenträger Geschützwagen IVb (Heuschrecke 10) which is the vehicle was the vehicle proposed to replace the Wespe and which at least reached the prototype stage. The replacement for the Hummel never left the drawing board.
Excellent peek into the real world of German armament at the time. Many kudos!
This video is very well produced.
I enjoyed it.
Thank you.
Not sure how many I miss, but when I pick up on a perceived subtle visual joke, I always enjoy it. Likely pronounced "2S19 Msta", is it?
That title is such a good way of putting it
Just caught this one. Nice work. It just goes to show; without the proper training and logistical support, even the best weapon systems will fail to live up their potential.
A very strong video. I enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing.
Nicely done
A splendid looking machine indeed!
Why Hitler forbid the name, did he really bothered with trivialities like naming a vehicles? Would love to see vid about M7 Priest in the future if possible, keep rocking Bernhard.
The hummel makes huge blasts in company of heroes.
Even though the US may not have a lot of large SP artillery, I would like to see how much large towed artillery there was. Plus the US had a large amount of "flying artillery".
If my memory serves me right,the Hummel's lower hull is actually as wide as a regular Pz III's lower hull (which is wider than a Pz IV's LH) but also longer than a regular Pz IV LH. This also contributes to the nomination of the vehicle.
I loved the Hummel in the old Panzer General games. Totally different from the real war but it always was my favourite choice for artillery.
Well researched & spoken! Thank you!
Awwwww yeah, long-ass German words less than 30 seconds into the video. Instant like!
Extra great video. Thank you, you deserve many more subscribers
Another nice Video from my favourit museum. Quite an intersting vehicle. You really must have stayed there a while, whit all the Videos you put out so far :)
Excellent as always
I love the phrase "Panzerstein".
Vey nice and informative. takes me back to my Panzer Blitz days!
The chassis is also wider then pz iv. It has the same width as pz iii due to the use of the pziii drive train.
All tank are a maintenance nightmare no matter how well engineered. I don't miss being in armor. I prefer reading and watching movies about them LOL
Calling it the Hummel for brevity and sanity AND because doing what Hitler hated feels so SATISFYING.
Also i like Hummeln... Bumblebees, the actual ones.
Plus i have to check what "brevity" means. Interesting term, first i ever hear it. It means pretty much "in short".
Very interesting, I was unaware that these existed. I thought Hummel were ceramic figurines
I just wish they were ceramic figurines of tanks and aircraft - I would have collected those instantly.
I don't think I heard of those ceramic figurines.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized 😉
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummel_figurines
Haven't you ever played _Panzer General?_
Hummels definitely wasn’t big enough tonight
I see what you did here
Talking about germany vs england ?
Everybody is Hummeling - dum dududu dum dum
“Panzerstein monster”
Love it!
geil dass du so viel mit dem dpm machst :)
Have you given thought to planning a trip to Ft. Benning to tour/review the Army Armor and Armored Cavalry collection?
The fort Benning collection is awful. So many weapons poorly conserved and rising away. Kubinka is a stark contrast.
Now we need a comparison, including problems, with towed (horses or tractors) artillery. When it rains or snows the compartment gets soaked... The comrades with the horses would laugh (Hummel ca800 others ca7400 total Produktion. max stock ca 3000 44/45)
Great video, thanks!
2:19 The consonants in Msta are sort of congested together, and the stress is put on A, somewhat like /mst-uh/.
I bet wehraboos do not like this content. Great videos especially when they lost the flaws in german armor.
What is "wehraboos" a german word for Halloween?
Huh, that’s a pretty good name for a tank.
Hank Hummel is one fine name! Robert Hummel aproves!
So, hitler had a problem with the name: Wespe and Hummel "bumbelbee" (maybe not too epic like tiger or puma) but dont have any kind of problem with the name of the moving continent that was the Panzer Maus.
well, not sure "Maus" would have been used once the tank was "released".
Looks like the Panzerhaubitze 2000
Lots of great information, but I was not convinced that the chassis was fatally overburdened. It seemed that most of the failures described were not due to fundamental flaws in the machine, but rather to operation by untrained or undertrained troops.
Germans: lets put a 152mm artillery gun on a Toyota Prius.
Could you do one with the Nashorn at somepoint please? It's quite a rare vehicle to get any sort of information on compared to the Hummel I think it's interesting who people say it's built on a panzer 4 chassis / hull but it must have been a new production hull or a panzer 3 hull that we know they cut the rear end off of to make the casemate fighting compartment but if you put a panzer 4 next to them you'll notice there the same width as a panzer 3! So they must have just took the sisl from the panzer 4 and put it on the lengthend panzer 3 narrower hull! They used the final drive from panzer 3 and gear box this is just the research I've found out that it's not actually a panzer 4 hull it's a lengthend panzer 3
Exactly the same chassis as the Hummel.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized yes I know it's exactly the same but a totally different machine! Trying to find anything about it like walk arounds for inside the fighting compartment etc it's just cause I'm an Armour modeller I build alot of high accuracy model's for when the war and peace shows and ipms model shows for competitions and for people to enjoy the dioramas! I'm building the Nashorn production variant just now it seems to be the easiest one to find anything about but the early 164 hornisse to a late mod production model etc it's just not an SP that there's much information for research!
@@Emtbtoday there should be something soon on the Nashorn, might be "only" on my second channel though.
I know the Nashorn started with the name Hornisse but I'm surprised they didn't give the name to the Hummel. To go from a wasp to a bumblebee is a bit of a step down considering the increase in hitting power. Hummel should have been called Hornisse and the Nashorn should have been called Volgelspinne Falke.
Back in the day, me and my buddies would play Panzer Blitz and Squad leader by Avalon Hill. The first time we saw the name Hummel we nearly lost our minds laughing. The big bad Wehermacht used, what we thought, was an hilarious name.
Ah yes, Squad Leader, Avalon Hill. Those were the days.
Two of the greatest WW2 board games.
I am sure someone in the Wehrmacht must have said, around 1939, that wouldn't it be wise to make all the Panzerwaffe's vehicles based off the same Panzer chassis? They had all these plans to have self-propelled guns, support-fire and anti-tank tanks, and everything, and yet every one had its own chassis with just enough differences between them to compromise, if not outright make impossible, the interchangeability of parts. It is almost a shock that someone managed to get the Panzer III and Panzer IV to share the same engine after a while.
I do recall that they were not equipped with small arms to fend off infantrymen attacks! Right?
Very informative thank you 😊
They, maybe lost the first one, and maybe the second one as well, but fuck me if they can't do amazing guns and tanks!
Long nominclature it is indeed. Quite descriptive ...
Bet all the German clerks wished the Heer used the UA Army "M" system & abbreviations. For example, 105 mm HMC M7 (HMC = howitzer motor carriage).
I doubt any front line US Army soldier said send me a platoon of "Tank, medium, 75 mm gun M4A3E8" but rather "get the medium tanks up here now g*d d*mn it!! A Brit might say "get the Sherman Vs ..." using the UK short nominclature fir the lend lease M4A4.
No wonder Wespe & Hummel remained in use (even if whispered).
Schwere Feldhaubitze 18/1 auf Fahrgesfell Panzerkampfwagen III/IV Selbstfahrlafette...
A slight mouthful, should be easy to say... I think.
Edit: Most definitely NOT EASY TO SAY
I can always amaze my anglo-saxon friends with words like "Mietschuldenfreiheitsbescheinigung", which they often need in Germany to get an (decent) apartment... "Now you`re just making fun of me!" "You`re making this up!" etc. ... :D The last line of defense is not a German tank, but the German language... ;) And Bernhard is, of course, not German, but Austrian...I guess, it`s a little bit like the difference from beeing from Pennsylvania and beeing from Ontario...at least he`s not from Vienna... ;P Ok ok, I stop right here! No hard feelings...I hope... ;)
Saw that sexy brummbar in the background
"Always train your crews."
So the lack of proper training for the Hummel's crew was a major handicap for the best use of the weapon. If the Heer was in urgent need of a self-propelled gun, this case resulted nearly in a fiasco!
The title have become funnier the Military history has.
In the early version of A/H's Panzer Blitz the Wespe amd the Hummel are Gods of the Battlefield. Later versions fixed this.
well, "AH" for Avalon Hill might be not the best shortcut because most people will associate those letters differently in the context of WW2, even I had to stop and think for a second.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Good point
I have watched about two dozen's of this channel's vids
and I have yet to experience ONE vid where this dude actually got the balls to admit that this or that german design was actually a good one
basically EVERY german piece of armament gets trash talked into oblivion - well have fun doing so
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> and I have yet to experience ONE vid where this dude actually got the balls to
> admit that this or that german design was actually a good one
did it occur to you, that I generally rarely say that a design was a "good one"?
> basically EVERY german piece of armament gets trash talked into oblivion - well have fun doing so
maybe or maybe you are used to people talking that constantly state how "great", "excellent", etc. something was, I generally don't use superlatives in my videos irrelevant of the faction.
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What about Sexton production, 2150 produced in Montreal 1944-45, 25 lbr gun on Ram and later Grizzly, chassis
> What about Sexton production, 2150 produced in Montreal 1944-45, 25 lbr gun on Ram and later Grizzly, chassis
25 pounder has 88mm, so a quite different.
It might make some sense to bring the Sexton up in the Wespe video. Since the Wespe had 105mm, but then again this was the same caliber as the Priest.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Yes good point. Hummel had a much bigger gun....
Wow, so many U.S. "Priests" on the battleground during WWII.
I guess if something similar was developed today, then it would have some sort of trail or stabilising arms that would (in favourable conditions) be deployed before firing the gun, to use the ground to absorb recoil.
Total production number is interesting but does not really reflect how many were on the field usually, against how large enemy units. It is might not even be possible to dig up such an info.
Last time I was this early the British hadn't peaced out of France yet.
Last time I was this early Germany hadn’t lost to England in a knockout round of a football tournament
Is that Germany's idea of a simple, easy too remember designation?
its interesting to see that really only the germans and americans made a lot if different self propelled artillery as far as i can remember. weird to see the soviets nor the british made many models.
Sturer Emil:128mm
Nonetheless self-propelled guns are crucial, even with immense mechanical problems.
All this complication and expense for a single unit. You understand why the Germans almost always were outgunned in the field. At Kursk, the Soviets could deploy hundreds of towed guns, as they were on the defensive. This proved overwhelming at the end of the day, an insurmountable advantage.
I wonder if using a drive sprocket and final drive from the Panzer IV would have been better or worse than the Panzer III J parts that they actually used.
Probably not. Both the Pz III and IV started life as 18 ton tanks so both would have been overloaded to a similar degree.
14:00 The Soviet equivalent would be the SU-152, right?
No, the SU-152 was primarily designed as as a direct fire heavy assault gun, roughly on par with the German 15cm Sturmpanzer-IV. It was not intended for indirect fire support.
Exactly, as Cal noted.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Thanks both of you for the responses.
@@calessel3139 The Brummbar?
@@SirAntoniousBlock Yes, but not to get pedantic Brummbar was never a nickname Germans used during the war. They called it the "Stupa" a contraction of Sturm Panzer (Stu-Pa).
I think that despite the long list of shortcomings in the design of the self-propelled guns, the Hummel was a modern and successful vehicle for that period of time. With a high degree of unification and standardization of parts that could be replaced relatively quickly. The Hummel production used components from the T-3 and T-4 tanks and a standard heavy 150 mm howitzer, which also reduced the cost of the design and speeded up production. In addition, Hummel has his own military biography, which is also not unimportant. I think that Hummel was a successful machine for that period of time. 🙂
No short names for things in German!
Yeah. I always preferred the Hummels to the Wespe's when playing Panzer Blitz and Steel Panthers.
From the title of the video - I expected a remark about the effect of such a large gun on the chassis but if there was I seem to have missed it ...
As to all the problems the Germans had with break downs, lack of spares and poorly filled out TO&E ... the solution to all that was easy ... don't go to war in the first place ... and ... if you do ... don't declare war on the USSR & USA within six months of each other ...
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> From the title of the video - I expected a remark about the effect of such a large gun on the chassis but if there was I
> seem to have missed it ...
pretty sure it came up in one of the experience reports
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized OK. Cool.
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I mean the experience reports shown in the video.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized OK. This is the part I had read but not understood:
_"The Hummeln (15-cm gun) have proved less successful. As a result of two barrel bursts, the cause of which could not be determined, the 6th battery had only four guns from July 22,1943. (The Chassis were not damaged by the barrel bursts). As a result of the much too weak final drive, these four guns failed continuously one after the other, especially on heavy ground, during the frequent short periods of mud, so that the 6th battery usually had only three, in places only two, heavy field howitzers ready to fire. The 14 rounds of ammunition carried on board were not sufficient [Note: Other sources indicate 18 rounds, possibly earlier version?] The suggested Chassis for the heavy field howitzer is the Panther."_
I was expecting a comment saying that it was the _firing_ of the heavy gun that had been to much for the chassis it was mounted on - but - that may not have been what you intended.
Possibly it was just the weight of carrying such a big gun over rough terrain that was the problem - and a more powerful chassis like that of the Panther - with a better horse power to weight ratio would have been better.
I didn't see any other section that referred to insufficiencies in the chassis itself but rather to crew comfort and ammunition capacity. Here - perhaps a Panther Chassis might have helped as well. ???
Oh - and I liked how you showed the Semi-fixed Separate Loading ammunition. I've mentioned elsewhere how that worked with the gun crew able to adjust the number of powder bags in the shell - so that the weapon could use both elevation and powder charge to control where the round went. Thus enabling Howitzers, unlike guns, to fire _over_ obstacles and drop their rounds immediately on the far side of them.
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yes, it was too heavy for the chassis or at least that is what the writer of the report assumes, namely that the final drive failed. Suggesting the Panther is not without irony here, because it is rather well known for problems with its final drive.
@8:45 "sensible" (something that's common sense) or "sensitive" (something that's not robust)?