Something Zeltik pointed out that I didn't notice the first time was how many echoes Zelda can create is dependent on the number of triangles Tri has attached to them. If you go back and look, when Zelda makes an echo, a triangle disappeared behind Tri and hovered over the echo. On a personal note, I hope this explains the divergence of the two Zora races.
Due to this game having the same art style as links awakening, I speculate it being a sequel where Link returns from the seas to find that Ganon returned while he was gone.
If that is true, that version of Link has fount Ganon 3 times (4 if tou include the Nightmare from Link's Awakening). The Link from Link's Awakening is the same one from A Link to the Past and the Oracle Games. Guy can't get a break.
@@watchf I meant if the Link from Echoes of Wisdom is the same one from Link's Awakening it will be his third Ganon fight or fourth if you count the Nightmare. We don't KNOW for certain that it is the same Link. If this is a different Link, that Link has only fought him 2 or 3 times.
@@TheZebbga Once in oracle of Seasons Once in oracle of ages Once in link to the past Maybe one in links awakening That’s already 3-4 before EoW no? I mean the OoS and OoA boss fights are practically the same but they still are independent boss fights in time right?
@@watchf I wouldn't count Oracle of Ages and Season differently. You fight him by linking the games, which means you would only fight him in the second game. I know there isn't a canon order with thess games, but Link would have only fought him in one of them, not both.
I'm so exited already; finally a fully official game with Zelda as the protag! (And it releases right before my birthday. I already know what I'm getting myself this year!)
Deku Scrubs appear in Tri-Force Heroes and Oracle of ages have both types of Zoras, the down fall timeline happens after the freeing of the forest temple and birth of the Deku Sprout so all things in the trailer exist in the downfall timeline
Plus the look on link is very much the outfit he wore in the downfall timeline, but the fact that he wears a blue cape with swirly patters like the Zonai sort of throw me off…heck, maybe this game is the final piece and it connects all the timelines at the end which leads into BOTW
Oracle of Ages has both types of Zoras, but it should be noted that game takes place outside of Hyrule. This is first game set in Hyrule to feature both Zora species as well as the first game to show them interacting with one another.
Notice how she finds the fairy while she’s in a jail cell right after the guards come up to her, and then the next shot after the gel sale she has on a cloak like she’s trying to hide her self
I don't think (based on what we know up untill now) that this is a 'main storyline game'. To me it looks like a 'funny creative side game' for younger kids.
1:44 "The version of Ganon that exclusively appears in the downfall timeline" shows a picture of the only pig Ganon that appears outside of the downfall timeline that being four swords adventures
I think maybe Hyrule Gamer is trying to hint at some kind of merger of timelines. The fact that FSA's shows a Hyrule that is "allegedly" after TP, but bares no similarities nor connections to TP, but rather ALttP & ALBW? That perhaps FSA is in this *"merger timeline"* future where the games and eras of Hyrule are mashed into one. Hence why he uses *FSA's Ganon* intentionally to showcase this connection.
@@Zeldatheoristb211 yeah i feel like FSA doesn't really fit in the child timeline but i also think hyrule gamer might have just had an oversight because this is the best sprite for ganon
A - pretty sure this version of Ganon appeared in the Oracle games, too. I don’t remember which version of the timeline they appear in, other than near Awakening. B - You’re right, the title shot is very reminiscent of BOTW. Zelda’s running out on a plateau overlooking (what I assume is) Hyrule castle. (Edit) Wonder if there’s a temple of time behind the camera there? C - I would not be surprised if we play as both Zelda and Link. Zelda in the main world, and Link in the dark world D - I hope there will be Zelda amibos. I need one to match my Awakening’s Link!
Since Link has that purple glow in in the shot where he's next to Ganon, I wonder if Ganon will possess Link this time instead of Zelda. Now you know how it feels, Link!
IT IS THE *ZONAITE BOW!* You're not going crazy, that's identical to the Zonaite Bow. And I tell you what else? The cloak Link wears, is the same one from ToTK! 🧥
@@Zeldatheoristb211 It's not the zonaite bow, it's just a color similarity. I'm guessing it's some kind of a steel bow, same color as the Master Sword, Hell maybe it's the Hero's Bow since the Master Sword seems to be similar in color. It's not zonaite though. This is apparently a sequel to Link's Awakening, and the BoTW Timeline doesn't start until well after the end of all the other timelines.
Zeltik did an analysis video that points out how Tri has triangles floating above his/her head. These decrease by the amount of triangles on the echo pictures as you cast them. Tri must be upgradable to progress the story.
I'd say Link fighting Ganon is not a cutscene. Why? Because of shadows! Take a look at Link's shadow in this battle - it's a circle. Zelda's shadow is also a circle while in a gameplay. However, in cutscenes (BOTW-like opening and when soldiers bow to her) it is a normal shadow. Similarly, NPCs have normal shadows as well. I think they made it a circle for us to easier see where the character lands after jumping. So I think Link is playable during this fight, which likely means he'll be playable again later in the game (final battle after Zelda saves him, perhaps). Upd: Link's shadow is normal in an obvious cutscene moment when he dispatches 3 darknuts with a spin. Yet, it's a circle in a fight. So it's not just a fluke.
I'm assuming it might be the Tri Force fairy, since it's called the Tri Fairy. It might be the Tri Force personified (or Fairyfied? 😋), although I'm not sure if they want to go there. 😂
Here is my theory for the gameplay concept: Link and Zelda are going to tag-team helping Link escape. Zelda and Link doing things in their respective dimensions will effect the latter. Think of the instance when Link and Kafei are helping each other in Majoras Mask. I bet Link will be playable the same as Zelda in this one.
This title blew me away because it seemingly came out of no where. I enjoyed the Link to the Past remake far more than I expected that I would. I really like the "top down 3D" art style that almost looks like a LEGO title. The echo dynamic looks interesting. I never expected a brand new dynamic in a top down Zelda title like this, but I'll definitely be snagging this one on Day One.
Allegedly, but the game was designed as a direct sequel to FS and clearly leads into LTTP. Its placement in the official "child" timeline and in a totally separate timeline from LTTP is completely arbitrary and makes very little sense. The only reason this is done is because of Gerudo comments in-game and not even from Ganon himself. Most people who go out and look at this see just how incredibly out of place FSA is on the "official" timeline and is one of the biggest discrediting factors of it, showing how haphazardly thrown together it was. Because the rest of the placements except that one were already well accepted prior. If the "Downfall Timeline" was just all set after FSA in the Child Timeline, it wouldn't look anywhere near as out of place.
I'm hoping the cover art displayed at the end means there will be a corrupted Link trying to stop us. In the end, this Link is revealed to be an evil entity taking on Link's form. The final fight sees the real Link returning, and Zelda and Link fight this evil side by side. Then in a future title we get to play through Link's journey with the same final fight along side Zelda.
I feel we are in the LbWs or spirit tracks timeline. Either way, I feel this is before BotW. And the map will hopefully shed some light on the matter. I also noticed Zonai Swirls on the cloak. Interesting and the relation to the Twilight game is Definitely here. Either way glad to see Zelda gets another chance after so many years at a Main Title. My daughter is super excited and we are probably seeing the new Zelda for the updated Smash when it releases.
MY THEORY: the timeline merge that happened some time before the events of BOTW was slow. VERY slow. talking took place over thousands of years kinda slow. the three timelines would have slowly bled into eachother. this explains why it isnt mentioned in the history of BOTW/TOTK hyrule. it was too slow to notice. and this game takes place at the earlier stages of the merge. thats why its got mostly fallen timeline stuff.
i cant wait to spend hours collecting all of those objects only to use maybe 20 of them 😂 the completionist in me is like wooooooooo shit to do and the gamer in me is screaming NOT MORE GRINDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tri sometimes has and extra triangle floating behind them. So that seems to be what we will upgrade. And its obviously connected to the echoes. Every time you use an enemy echo the triangles go away
I just want to point out... You mentioned "This ganon is only in the Downfall Timeline", but the Ganon art you show immediately after is from Four Sword Adventures, which occurs on the Child Timeline. That version of Ganon has shown up in both of those timelines. How do I think this will fit into the timeline? I want to think that it will probably either be after FSA or be a merger, just like BotW and TotK appear to be. But, let's be honest, the Zelda team has made it clear that "we make the game first, then think about its timeline placement." It's entirely possible that even they don't know when this would occur, and once it comes out, they'll just pick something once people beg enough. Even TotK didn't keep to what BotW established, and that was literally a sequel to BotW. I just have no hope for the Zelda team to keep trying to stick to the timeline, and... I hate to say this... but that might be for the better. They accidentally created a timeline back in the ALttP/OoT days, and it's been a pain for them ever since. If they think they can make better games without needing to adhere to a timeline, I say let them do so. Not like we expect Mario, Donkey Kong, Metroid, Star Fox, or any of their other series to adhere to a timeline... right...? -looks at all the "Mario timeline" "Metroid timeline" "Star fox timeline" etc videos-
If this is indeed the gap between dimensions it would make sense to have aspects from different timelines in it as it would be connected to all timelines like a community trash can for all timelines. What if it was actually inside it?
Thank you! It's so good to see people hyped for this game. I did say shortly before the direct I thought we were going to get a classic style Zelda game rather than a 3D large scale one because Nintendo are typically quite savvy at not over saturating their library with too many remasters (especially when they could hold high value for later releases) and it had been a while since we saw a top-down game. I never expected them to make one dedicated and focused on Zelda though, that is so awesome and I can't wait to see what kind of gameplay these games have to offer.
For me the timeline placement is either in the downfall timeline at the end or in between alttp and awakening, either at the end of the downfall before the theorized convergence of timeline, either it's after totk in the theorized demise timeline with events happening parallel to the alttp era, or either it's in between oot and alttp and it would explained how the dark world and lorule were created with the void eating hyrule. If it's the case then this event might have happened in the child timeline too creating the twilight world there.
I love this so much! Playable Zelda? Hell yeah! Classic lore that feels new and interesting? Double hell yeah! Adorable packaging? H-E-double-hockey-sticks to the triple yeah! This wasn't on anyone's bingo card but I'm here for it!
Somewhat related as this game uses the Link's Awakening remake artstyle: Did you know there was a playable demo of Link's Awakening at the Comsumer Electronics Show in January of 1993? The only footage I know of has been put on the games Prerelease page on The Cutting Room Floor recently. I've been trying to find more footage, but I've had zero luck.
I was always opposed to a playable Zelda but looking at how they're doing it for this game, i like it. They've changed the gameplay enough that it's not just reskinning link as zelda, she's going to have a different playstyle and her own personality through gameplay. i hope she has more personality in the story though because zelda being a blank character like link just wont feel right
At the title screen shown @0:32 I can see a reference to the Wind Fish in the top right of the picture. Look closely with the snowy mountain (Hebra) in the background. Can you see it, too?
I'm so hyped for Echoes of Wisdom!!! Playing as Zelda is incredible!! I also love the aesthetic of it being from Link's Awakening, the art style is adorable. One thing that stood out to me too was the fact that they said each playthrough will be different based off of what the player has Zelda copy with the Trirod, its gonna be so fun messing around with the mechanic. The story looks fantastic too!
HUGE LORES! Lots of explanation, too! Hyrule Mountain range is different. We have Snow Mountains to the East instead of Death Mountain being there. A Volcano section that is to the West! Deku Scrubs River Zoras and Sea Zoras together arguing about who should govern, whom? The Great Deku Tree with the Master Sword Chamber around him, without the pedestal 🗡 A Fairy named "Tri" which has 3 triangles on it's head i.e. huge implicator of Tri coming from the TriFORCE or IS the Triforce! It has an ability to alter reality by replicating ANY PHYSICAL THING to recreate them to the world. It even gives LIFE to them too! And ofcourse the mysterious Dark Dimension that we see at 5:40!
I'm very excited for a new game in this style! I loved the Link's Awakening remake and was really craving some remakes of the Oracle games but this? this might be even better! really interested in the lore implications and I'll be tuning in to hear your thoughts on it from here until release :)!
While I am sick of Timeline debates, I hate the idea of a merged Timeline because it makes no sense. I would honestly be okay if they just made a new timeline separate from the rest and just said they are all on this. I like Zelda lore but I wish Nintendo cared as much as fans did.
You know what I want to see in this game? I want to see Zelda fight a possessed Link or even Dark Link at some point in the game. I am kind of hoping that that is what the cover is hinting at with Link being in the same shades in the background with Gannon.
I would love it if you could play as link in the dark world and Zelda in the light world. I always thought they would attempt this with ToTk with Zelda in the past timeline. Perhaps it’s too much to build 2 distinct worlds…
Not at all, that's a fantastic idea and given we link with a new attack in the trailer (the jumping spin slash) I wouldn't be surprised if he were playable at certain and maybe their interactions within each world will help each other. That said, with so much emphasis on Zelda herself in the title it's hard to tell whether or not they'd showcase link, then again we've not seen what exactly is in these rifts.
I honestly thought this was just a link between worlds coming to switch which I would have been fine with since I’ve never played a DS but an all original story using the basic assets of the 2d remake style is great. They could make several new as well as remaster games in this style and I wouldn’t be sad. I’d enjoy if in the next 5 years we got a link to the past, link between worlds, oracle ages and seasons, phantom hourglass, and spirit tracks all in this style. A separate thought is this could have been a 2d remake of a 3d game like ocarina of time but as the chibi art style
This is the land of Hyrule, the one from BotW/TotK. Was thinking about old and new Hyrule and yeah, there’s probably more in here somewhere to look into other theorist it seems some may have gloss over I wanna see myself.
You mean Sheikah? The Hood Link and Zelda wore in ToTK were Sheikah made, however..... the symbols on the back of the cloak Link is wearing in Echoes of Wisdom has *Zonai Symbols?......* yea... this is either a Prequel to the "ToTK - BoTW arc" aka the Merger timeline, explaining HOW the merger came to be? *or* this is right after the events of ToTK several years or a hundred years, later.
We do have what appears to be Hebra (LTTP Light World Death Mountain in Japan was actually called Hebra; it was only outside of Japan where both the Light and Dark World Mountains were called Death Mountain), and there's at least 5 different settlements we have confirmation of in-game so far. We have Castle Town, Kakariko, Gerudo Town, a water-based settlement in a jungle, and probably a Zora settlement as well (where the two Zora factions are fighting; the swamp settlement could belong to one of the tribes, or a different group entirely). We also see a Business Scrub (but I think its outside Kakariko Village) and the Great Deku Tree. With both a snowy mountain and volcanic mountain, one could have Rito and the other has Gorons. A forest settlement could reside outside the Great Deku Tree's grove, but this grove does more highly resemble OOT/LTTP. OOT because its isolated from any proper settlement, but LTTP because of both that isolation and the fact that there's some sort of pedestal here. If we do have a forest settlement here I think its probably either Kokiri or Deku Scrubs (though Deku Scrubs have never been associated with the Great Deku Tree in any context except the non-canon Cadence of Hyrule) as this forest doesn't have the structure of any Korok Forest we've ever seen (Koroks always live in the immediate vicinity around the Great Deku Tree, and we see nothing like that here). Tri-Force Heroes does also have "Kokiri Clothes" as an outfit option, indicating that the Kokiri may still exist near the time period of Link Between worlds. My guess is that the swamp settlement might actually be for the "River Zora" while the "Sea Zora" will have a traditional Zora's Domain. Its hard to say if Deku Scrubs get their own location here; they've only had their own home in Majora's Mask, otherwise they usually just appear all over, with the flower pods individually being their homes. (The Lost Woods in general is their home in FSA, but they largely only appear in the Lost Woods in FSA.)
Mhmm... that was the first thing I saw when I notice the layout of *Hyrule Castle* here! Even the Castle itself doesn't look like the one from ALBW nor ALttP. It looks like a *fusion* of Hyrule Castle from TMC and BoTW/ToTK Castle put together! 🤭
Going to be honest bud, I don't think they'll have the balls to acknowledge the divergent timeline in any of these games but it would be cool since Wild seems to suggest a unified timeline.
I can't be happier that the first playable zelda game is in easily my most favorite style of zelda game (link's awakening remake is an easy 3rd fave sry twilight princess) my guess is this will be in the "inevitable convergence" timeline, just not as far down as botw
Game looks good, I'm so glad it's not a remake, as I'm tired of seeing the same game which was already released 3 times. The pixel one just showed is from the Child Timeline 1:44
2:10 fun fact, the dots and line in the eyes (..-..) mean "2" in American Morse Code. Could this mean something? Probably not as in International Morse Code it could mean either Ð, È, É, or Ę
There is no timeline, Nintendo has shown time and time again that they don't care about the timeline they just make fun Zelda games. Thank you for coming to my hot take ted talk.
I'm all good with a puzzle based game but a part of me hopes the game isnt basically a puzzle game. Only cause I know for a lot of fans, myself included, the draw of a Zelda playable Zelda game is being able to show how much of a "badass" she can be as well.
Zelda does not have courage to carry the master sword. While being the fighting protagonist, I still think she assumes her natural role in the triforce. Complimented by “echos of wisdom”
I like the lore and the timeline and if Nintendo didn't want fans to care, they shouldn't have released books that give an official timeline. I wish Nintendo would decide if they care or if they don't. Just give an answer. If they don't, great, stop releasing an updated timeline in new books. If they do care, put some time in addressing it. I just hate that Nintendo seems to want to make everyone happy and as a result makes nobody happy.
I feel kind of dissapointed. This doesn't feel like a 'Main Zelda game' but just like a side creative mini game. I can't find the right word. But comparable to Link's Crossbow training/Hyrule Warriors if you know what i mean. Not a big main story game. We can finally play as Zelda and instead of making her strong and fight (to show everyone that girls/woman can be good at fighting too), it looks like the focus is on young kids being creative. I'd personelly much rather have the TP/WW HD remake than this not 'main storygame'
Oh it hurts so bad hearing someone say "let's talk about the brand new game, ZELDA ECHOES OF WISDOM". Noo.. This franchise is a legend. A LEGEND. It is not called "ZELDA ECHOES OF WISDOM". It is The Legend of Zelda - Echoes of Wisdom". Thanks, I will let myself out.
day 177 of mentioning that on 5/6/2023 hyrule gamer made a video where, at 43.46, he spent 12 seconds simping about the ancient gerudo soldiers did you know hastune miku the character is legally married to 3700 different people?
I actually really like the change-up of having Zelda as protagonist! Only I hope this will be one of the last 'sandboxy endlessly free Zelda games'. I like a game to have structure and intention with their design and playing something like totk or a game where you can copy everything feels like you're in a cheat/developer mode and breaks my immersion and sense of satisfaction after solving puzzles with one of thousand cheese strats. Though I still have a lot of hope this will be an amazing game!
For anyone hating on this game. Just know Nintendo didn’t have to do this for us. They could have just beeen done with Tears of the kingdom and just stop there till god knows how long 😂
Hate to be that guy but I really don’t think this is going to be a good game. It’s coming too soon, the story is either going to be way to short or the game will be unfinished on release especially with the fact that it’s planned to be released this year. It also seems like a huge departure from how previous games have been especially playing as Zelda instead of link is so weird. I’d understand playing as both but assuming the story is more Zelda saving link just seems like such a departure from the classic knight in shining armor saving the princess kind of story that all the games followed. I don’t know what you all will think but I personally don’t think it’s going to be a good game. You can have your opinion and love this style with Zelda being the main focus but I’m not sure if I even am going to want to play this game, it’s just not my kind of Zelda game.
Something Zeltik pointed out that I didn't notice the first time was how many echoes Zelda can create is dependent on the number of triangles Tri has attached to them. If you go back and look, when Zelda makes an echo, a triangle disappeared behind Tri and hovered over the echo.
On a personal note, I hope this explains the divergence of the two Zora races.
There's also a cost, inanimate objects cost just one triangle, while enemies cost two.
@@Bulls3ye86 the spike trap costed one
“Power of 1, power of 2, power of miiniiie”
Due to this game having the same art style as links awakening, I speculate it being a sequel where Link returns from the seas to find that Ganon returned while he was gone.
If that is true, that version of Link has fount Ganon 3 times (4 if tou include the Nightmare from Link's Awakening). The Link from Link's Awakening is the same one from A Link to the Past and the Oracle Games.
Guy can't get a break.
@@TheZebbgaI mean what you said is completely independent. It’s not “If that is true”, he already has fought 3 ganone
@@watchf I meant if the Link from Echoes of Wisdom is the same one from Link's Awakening it will be his third Ganon fight or fourth if you count the Nightmare. We don't KNOW for certain that it is the same Link.
If this is a different Link, that Link has only fought him 2 or 3 times.
@@TheZebbga
Once in oracle of Seasons
Once in oracle of ages
Once in link to the past
Maybe one in links awakening
That’s already 3-4 before EoW no? I mean the OoS and OoA boss fights are practically the same but they still are independent boss fights in time right?
@@watchf I wouldn't count Oracle of Ages and Season differently. You fight him by linking the games, which means you would only fight him in the second game.
I know there isn't a canon order with thess games, but Link would have only fought him in one of them, not both.
I'm so exited already; finally a fully official game with Zelda as the protag! (And it releases right before my birthday. I already know what I'm getting myself this year!)
You mean Link right?
same, the game comes out exactly two weeks before my birthday! happy birthday us!!!
My birthday is exactly 9 Days after release!
Amazing, we can all get the game for our birthdays :D
it realases 5 days after mine
Deku Scrubs appear in Tri-Force Heroes and Oracle of ages have both types of Zoras, the down fall timeline happens after the freeing of the forest temple and birth of the Deku Sprout so all things in the trailer exist in the downfall timeline
Plus the look on link is very much the outfit he wore in the downfall timeline, but the fact that he wears a blue cape with swirly patters like the Zonai sort of throw me off…heck, maybe this game is the final piece and it connects all the timelines at the end which leads into BOTW
Oracle of Ages has both types of Zoras, but it should be noted that game takes place outside of Hyrule. This is first game set in Hyrule to feature both Zora species as well as the first game to show them interacting with one another.
My sister pointed out the Art Style being reminiscent of a brand of toys called "Little People," and now I can't unsee it...
omg now i cant unsee it, how could you💀
@@dingusprime64 That is exactly what I said to my sister.
Yes, 100% ! But they have been calling this art style "toy box," so that makes sense
I SEE THE LITTLE PEOPLE EVERYWHERE (please help I can’t get rid of them)
Notice how she finds the fairy while she’s in a jail cell right after the guards come up to her, and then the next shot after the gel sale she has on a cloak like she’s trying to hide her self
In Spanish that is funny because we call a jail cell as "celda", so Zelda is in a celda (both pronounced like "thelda" in spanish Spanish)
Gel sale, lmao
Having Zelda as a playable character in a mainline Zelda game. It's an excellent idea.
I don't think (based on what we know up untill now) that this is a 'main storyline game'. To me it looks like a 'funny creative side game' for younger kids.
1:44 "The version of Ganon that exclusively appears in the downfall timeline" shows a picture of the only pig Ganon that appears outside of the downfall timeline that being four swords adventures
I think maybe Hyrule Gamer is trying to hint at some kind of merger of timelines.
The fact that FSA's shows a Hyrule that is "allegedly" after TP, but bares no similarities nor connections to TP, but rather ALttP & ALBW? That perhaps FSA is in this *"merger timeline"* future where the games and eras of Hyrule are mashed into one.
Hence why he uses *FSA's Ganon* intentionally to showcase this connection.
@@Zeldatheoristb211 yeah i feel like FSA doesn't really fit in the child timeline
but i also think hyrule gamer might have just had an oversight because this is the best sprite for ganon
@@Zeldatheoristb211 Sephiroth Did Talk About That In FFVII Rebirth Where In That Game Theres A HUGE Crack In The Sky
A - pretty sure this version of Ganon appeared in the Oracle games, too. I don’t remember which version of the timeline they appear in, other than near Awakening.
B - You’re right, the title shot is very reminiscent of BOTW. Zelda’s running out on a plateau overlooking (what I assume is) Hyrule castle. (Edit) Wonder if there’s a temple of time behind the camera there?
C - I would not be surprised if we play as both Zelda and Link. Zelda in the main world, and Link in the dark world
D - I hope there will be Zelda amibos. I need one to match my Awakening’s Link!
Did anyone else get the feeling that during the ganon fight at the beginning we will play as link? It looked like gameplay and not a cutscene
Wish it came out a little bit earlier so I could play it while camping, I took my switch when I was camping last time and beat Link's Awakening
Since Link has that purple glow in in the shot where he's next to Ganon, I wonder if Ganon will possess Link this time instead of Zelda. Now you know how it feels, Link!
Am I crazy or does the bow Link used to break the crystal looks a lot like the construct bow from TOTK?
IT IS THE *ZONAITE BOW!* You're not going crazy, that's identical to the Zonaite Bow.
And I tell you what else? The cloak Link wears, is the same one from ToTK! 🧥
@@Zeldatheoristb211 Glad I wasn’t the only one that found similarities
@@Zeldatheoristb211 It's not the zonaite bow, it's just a color similarity. I'm guessing it's some kind of a steel bow, same color as the Master Sword, Hell maybe it's the Hero's Bow since the Master Sword seems to be similar in color.
It's not zonaite though. This is apparently a sequel to Link's Awakening, and the BoTW Timeline doesn't start until well after the end of all the other timelines.
@@megaman37456 it is unknown what timeline this game falls into, therefore it is also unknown whether this game is a sequel or not.
Zeltik did an analysis video that points out how Tri has triangles floating above his/her head. These decrease by the amount of triangles on the echo pictures as you cast them. Tri must be upgradable to progress the story.
I'd say Link fighting Ganon is not a cutscene. Why? Because of shadows! Take a look at Link's shadow in this battle - it's a circle. Zelda's shadow is also a circle while in a gameplay. However, in cutscenes (BOTW-like opening and when soldiers bow to her) it is a normal shadow. Similarly, NPCs have normal shadows as well. I think they made it a circle for us to easier see where the character lands after jumping. So I think Link is playable during this fight, which likely means he'll be playable again later in the game (final battle after Zelda saves him, perhaps).
Upd: Link's shadow is normal in an obvious cutscene moment when he dispatches 3 darknuts with a spin. Yet, it's a circle in a fight. So it's not just a fluke.
There is also a purple barrier in the Ganon fight which could mean you can play as Link.
I noticed how ‘Tri’ sounds like ‘Fi’ which is a cool detail as Tri seems to be Zelda’s equivalent to Fi, being involved with her weapon.
I'm assuming it might be the Tri Force fairy, since it's called the Tri Fairy.
It might be the Tri Force personified (or Fairyfied? 😋), although I'm not sure if they want to go there. 😂
Here is my theory for the gameplay concept:
Link and Zelda are going to tag-team helping Link escape. Zelda and Link doing things in their respective dimensions will effect the latter. Think of the instance when Link and Kafei are helping each other in Majoras Mask. I bet Link will be playable the same as Zelda in this one.
This title blew me away because it seemingly came out of no where. I enjoyed the Link to the Past remake far more than I expected that I would. I really like the "top down 3D" art style that almost looks like a LEGO title. The echo dynamic looks interesting. I never expected a brand new dynamic in a top down Zelda title like this, but I'll definitely be snagging this one on Day One.
I think it's funny
when you show beast ganon It's the design from zelda four swords adventures the only game he's in not in the downfall timeline😊
Allegedly, but the game was designed as a direct sequel to FS and clearly leads into LTTP. Its placement in the official "child" timeline and in a totally separate timeline from LTTP is completely arbitrary and makes very little sense. The only reason this is done is because of Gerudo comments in-game and not even from Ganon himself.
Most people who go out and look at this see just how incredibly out of place FSA is on the "official" timeline and is one of the biggest discrediting factors of it, showing how haphazardly thrown together it was. Because the rest of the placements except that one were already well accepted prior. If the "Downfall Timeline" was just all set after FSA in the Child Timeline, it wouldn't look anywhere near as out of place.
it's official but what you said would make more sense and That's why we need a new timeline
notice how tge zora architecture is the same as in totk‘s water temple
I'm hoping the cover art displayed at the end means there will be a corrupted Link trying to stop us. In the end, this Link is revealed to be an evil entity taking on Link's form. The final fight sees the real Link returning, and Zelda and Link fight this evil side by side. Then in a future title we get to play through Link's journey with the same final fight along side Zelda.
I feel we are in the LbWs or spirit tracks timeline. Either way, I feel this is before BotW. And the map will hopefully shed some light on the matter. I also noticed Zonai Swirls on the cloak. Interesting and the relation to the Twilight game is Definitely here. Either way glad to see Zelda gets another chance after so many years at a Main Title. My daughter is super excited and we are probably seeing the new Zelda for the updated Smash when it releases.
MY THEORY: the timeline merge that happened some time before the events of BOTW was slow. VERY slow. talking took place over thousands of years kinda slow. the three timelines would have slowly bled into eachother. this explains why it isnt mentioned in the history of BOTW/TOTK hyrule. it was too slow to notice.
and this game takes place at the earlier stages of the merge. thats why its got mostly fallen timeline stuff.
i cant wait to spend hours collecting all of those objects only to use maybe 20 of them 😂 the completionist in me is like wooooooooo shit to do and the gamer in me is screaming NOT MORE GRINDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think based on zelda trapped in a crystal, this picks up at the end of link to the past as a sort of alternate timeline from that ending
Tri sometimes has and extra triangle floating behind them. So that seems to be what we will upgrade. And its obviously connected to the echoes. Every time you use an enemy echo the triangles go away
I just want to point out... You mentioned "This ganon is only in the Downfall Timeline", but the Ganon art you show immediately after is from Four Sword Adventures, which occurs on the Child Timeline. That version of Ganon has shown up in both of those timelines.
How do I think this will fit into the timeline? I want to think that it will probably either be after FSA or be a merger, just like BotW and TotK appear to be. But, let's be honest, the Zelda team has made it clear that "we make the game first, then think about its timeline placement." It's entirely possible that even they don't know when this would occur, and once it comes out, they'll just pick something once people beg enough. Even TotK didn't keep to what BotW established, and that was literally a sequel to BotW. I just have no hope for the Zelda team to keep trying to stick to the timeline, and... I hate to say this... but that might be for the better. They accidentally created a timeline back in the ALttP/OoT days, and it's been a pain for them ever since. If they think they can make better games without needing to adhere to a timeline, I say let them do so. Not like we expect Mario, Donkey Kong, Metroid, Star Fox, or any of their other series to adhere to a timeline... right...? -looks at all the "Mario timeline" "Metroid timeline" "Star fox timeline" etc videos-
oh absolutely if they can't figure out where to put thier own zelda game in the timeline don't bother at this point
If this is indeed the gap between dimensions it would make sense to have aspects from different timelines in it as it would be connected to all timelines like a community trash can for all timelines.
What if it was actually inside it?
The song is the key. Remember where it needed to be played backwards from one trailer, or speed up in breath of the wild. It’s in the song.
Thank you! It's so good to see people hyped for this game. I did say shortly before the direct I thought we were going to get a classic style Zelda game rather than a 3D large scale one because Nintendo are typically quite savvy at not over saturating their library with too many remasters (especially when they could hold high value for later releases) and it had been a while since we saw a top-down game. I never expected them to make one dedicated and focused on Zelda though, that is so awesome and I can't wait to see what kind of gameplay these games have to offer.
For me the timeline placement is either in the downfall timeline at the end or in between alttp and awakening,
either at the end of the downfall before the theorized convergence of timeline,
either it's after totk in the theorized demise timeline with events happening parallel to the alttp era,
or either it's in between oot and alttp and it would explained how the dark world and lorule were created with the void eating hyrule. If it's the case then this event might have happened in the child timeline too creating the twilight world there.
Im here, early as ever. AND WHAT!??? A NEW GAME ALREADY YAYYY 🎉🎉🎉🎉
I love this so much! Playable Zelda? Hell yeah! Classic lore that feels new and interesting? Double hell yeah! Adorable packaging? H-E-double-hockey-sticks to the triple yeah! This wasn't on anyone's bingo card but I'm here for it!
I'm so here for it!
Somewhat related as this game uses the Link's Awakening remake artstyle: Did you know there was a playable demo of Link's Awakening at the Comsumer Electronics Show in January of 1993?
The only footage I know of has been put on the games Prerelease page on The Cutting Room Floor recently.
I've been trying to find more footage, but I've had zero luck.
My belief / hope for this new title is the merging title of the 3 timeline split leading to the Wilds Era.
I was always opposed to a playable Zelda but looking at how they're doing it for this game, i like it. They've changed the gameplay enough that it's not just reskinning link as zelda, she's going to have a different playstyle and her own personality through gameplay. i hope she has more personality in the story though because zelda being a blank character like link just wont feel right
At the title screen shown @0:32 I can see a reference to the Wind Fish in the top right of the picture. Look closely with the snowy mountain (Hebra) in the background. Can you see it, too?
I'm so hyped for Echoes of Wisdom!!! Playing as Zelda is incredible!! I also love the aesthetic of it being from Link's Awakening, the art style is adorable. One thing that stood out to me too was the fact that they said each playthrough will be different based off of what the player has Zelda copy with the Trirod, its gonna be so fun messing around with the mechanic. The story looks fantastic too!
Very excited! Great showcase all around, really. This AND a new Mario and Luigi game. Geez, Nintendo. 2017 all over again
Such exciting news! Great video! & Thanks for the feature!
I really hope this has some deep lore implications.
I'd love to play as shiek for a bit.
HUGE LORES!
Lots of explanation, too!
Hyrule Mountain range is different.
We have Snow Mountains to the East instead of Death Mountain being there.
A Volcano section that is to the West!
Deku Scrubs
River Zoras and Sea Zoras together arguing about who should govern, whom?
The Great Deku Tree with the Master Sword Chamber around him, without the pedestal 🗡
A Fairy named "Tri" which has 3 triangles on it's head i.e. huge implicator of Tri coming from the TriFORCE or IS the Triforce! It has an ability to alter reality by replicating ANY PHYSICAL THING to recreate them to the world. It even gives LIFE to them too!
And ofcourse the mysterious Dark Dimension that we see at 5:40!
Shiek is exclusive to Ocarina of Time and doesn't exist outside of OoT canonically.
First we had Princess Peach saving Mario and Luigi, now we finally got Zelda saving Link and all of Hyrule. I can’t wait to get this game!🤩
I'm very excited for a new game in this style! I loved the Link's Awakening remake and was really craving some remakes of the Oracle games but this? this might be even better! really interested in the lore implications and I'll be tuning in to hear your thoughts on it from here until release :)!
I hope they do decide to go with more of a merged timeline approach going forward. I am absolutely sick of the timeline debates lol
While I am sick of Timeline debates, I hate the idea of a merged Timeline because it makes no sense.
I would honestly be okay if they just made a new timeline separate from the rest and just said they are all on this.
I like Zelda lore but I wish Nintendo cared as much as fans did.
You know what I want to see in this game? I want to see Zelda fight a possessed Link or even Dark Link at some point in the game. I am kind of hoping that that is what the cover is hinting at with Link being in the same shades in the background with Gannon.
Considering the great Deku tree is in the game I'm wondering if we'll see Koroks again or if it'll be Kokiri 🤔
I’m hype can’t wait
I did ask Nintendo where the cats were in Hyrule, and there they are in EoW!
Now let me pet them, too!!
So excited! Can’t wait for the music!!! The world!! The Zelda! 🤩🤩🤩🤩
Yes ooh my god! Finally someone agrees with me about the timeline placement.😁
standing on a cliff and look at the overworld should be in every zelda game now
I would love it if you could play as link in the dark world and Zelda in the light world. I always thought they would attempt this with ToTk with Zelda in the past timeline. Perhaps it’s too much to build 2 distinct worlds…
Not at all, that's a fantastic idea and given we link with a new attack in the trailer (the jumping spin slash) I wouldn't be surprised if he were playable at certain and maybe their interactions within each world will help each other. That said, with so much emphasis on Zelda herself in the title it's hard to tell whether or not they'd showcase link, then again we've not seen what exactly is in these rifts.
I honestly thought this was just a link between worlds coming to switch which I would have been fine with since I’ve never played a DS but an all original story using the basic assets of the 2d remake style is great.
They could make several new as well as remaster games in this style and I wouldn’t be sad. I’d enjoy if in the next 5 years we got a link to the past, link between worlds, oracle ages and seasons, phantom hourglass, and spirit tracks all in this style.
A separate thought is this could have been a 2d remake of a 3d game like ocarina of time but as the chibi art style
This is the land of Hyrule, the one from BotW/TotK. Was thinking about old and new Hyrule and yeah, there’s probably more in here somewhere to look into other theorist it seems some may have gloss over I wanna see myself.
The cracks are the shape of enemy’s it looks like
Gonna be honest, i was hoping for a master mode for TotK or TP remake but this looks like it's gonna be really fun.
The hood is also zonai like
You mean Sheikah?
The Hood Link and Zelda wore in ToTK were Sheikah made, however..... the symbols on the back of the cloak Link is wearing in Echoes of Wisdom has *Zonai Symbols?......* yea... this is either a Prequel to the "ToTK - BoTW arc" aka the Merger timeline, explaining HOW the merger came to be?
*or* this is right after the events of ToTK several years or a hundred years, later.
It think it'll be a 2d version of Totk. Open world, open solutions. Aonuma said that's the new way and we aren't going back to the old.
I was JUST telling my husband, "it should be called the Legend of Link" 😂😂😂
I am hyped.
What if unknown villain copy ganon and link to 3 v 1 Zelda?
I really hope the Ritos are here, since they are my favorite clan since Botw.
We do have what appears to be Hebra (LTTP Light World Death Mountain in Japan was actually called Hebra; it was only outside of Japan where both the Light and Dark World Mountains were called Death Mountain), and there's at least 5 different settlements we have confirmation of in-game so far. We have Castle Town, Kakariko, Gerudo Town, a water-based settlement in a jungle, and probably a Zora settlement as well (where the two Zora factions are fighting; the swamp settlement could belong to one of the tribes, or a different group entirely).
We also see a Business Scrub (but I think its outside Kakariko Village) and the Great Deku Tree.
With both a snowy mountain and volcanic mountain, one could have Rito and the other has Gorons. A forest settlement could reside outside the Great Deku Tree's grove, but this grove does more highly resemble OOT/LTTP. OOT because its isolated from any proper settlement, but LTTP because of both that isolation and the fact that there's some sort of pedestal here.
If we do have a forest settlement here I think its probably either Kokiri or Deku Scrubs (though Deku Scrubs have never been associated with the Great Deku Tree in any context except the non-canon Cadence of Hyrule) as this forest doesn't have the structure of any Korok Forest we've ever seen (Koroks always live in the immediate vicinity around the Great Deku Tree, and we see nothing like that here).
Tri-Force Heroes does also have "Kokiri Clothes" as an outfit option, indicating that the Kokiri may still exist near the time period of Link Between worlds.
My guess is that the swamp settlement might actually be for the "River Zora" while the "Sea Zora" will have a traditional Zora's Domain. Its hard to say if Deku Scrubs get their own location here; they've only had their own home in Majora's Mask, otherwise they usually just appear all over, with the flower pods individually being their homes. (The Lost Woods in general is their home in FSA, but they largely only appear in the Lost Woods in FSA.)
I wknder if this will pave the pathway for playable zelda in their "major" games for the loz series. Im so excited!!!
It won't. This is clearly a spinoff.
Zelda fans we are feasting!
I wasn’t expecting a new Zelda already but I’m all for it
Tri reminds me of a Koco from Sonic Frontiers.
Nintendo did, at one point, express a desire for their princess's to compete with disney princesses, I think I saw somewhere
Hooray! Comment for the algorithm!
The map also seems to resemble botw
Mhmm... that was the first thing I saw when I notice the layout of *Hyrule Castle* here!
Even the Castle itself doesn't look like the one from ALBW nor ALttP.
It looks like a *fusion* of Hyrule Castle from TMC and BoTW/ToTK Castle put together! 🤭
What if this game is at the end of the downfall timeline and the rifts actually cause the merging of the timelines leading into the wild era?
Going to be honest bud, I don't think they'll have the balls to acknowledge the divergent timeline in any of these games but it would be cool since Wild seems to suggest a unified timeline.
I can't be happier that the first playable zelda game is in easily my most favorite style of zelda game (link's awakening remake is an easy 3rd fave sry twilight princess) my guess is this will be in the "inevitable convergence" timeline, just not as far down as botw
Game looks good, I'm so glad it's not a remake, as I'm tired of seeing the same game which was already released 3 times.
The pixel one just showed is from the Child Timeline 1:44
Finally!!! We Have a Zelda game that has Zelda as the hero that isn't 'Wand of Gamelon.' [edit] Nor 'Zelda's Adventure.'
Yeah!
2:10 fun fact, the dots and line in the eyes (..-..) mean "2" in American Morse Code. Could this mean something? Probably not as in International Morse Code it could mean either Ð, È, É, or Ę
enjoyed this video and can't wait for this new Zelda game 😁
I have high hopes for this game.i just want dungeons and music, and puzzle solving and treasures. Is that too much too ask for?
1:40. downfall timeline, fsa sprite shown. i see you also don’t like the timeline placement of that game. massive W
this looks like the hair of the dog game for my zelda switch hangover
There is no timeline, Nintendo has shown time and time again that they don't care about the timeline they just make fun Zelda games. Thank you for coming to my hot take ted talk.
I'm all good with a puzzle based game but a part of me hopes the game isnt basically a puzzle game. Only cause I know for a lot of fans, myself included, the draw of a Zelda playable Zelda game is being able to show how much of a "badass" she can be as well.
Legend of Zelda Link Takes Off
Ngl I'm gonna miss swinging a sword....
Unless Zelda can create a Master Sword Echo 😮
Zelda does not have courage to carry the master sword. While being the fighting protagonist, I still think she assumes her natural role in the triforce. Complimented by “echos of wisdom”
Can we please give the timeline nonsense a rest ???
agreed!!!
I like the lore and the timeline and if Nintendo didn't want fans to care, they shouldn't have released books that give an official timeline.
I wish Nintendo would decide if they care or if they don't. Just give an answer. If they don't, great, stop releasing an updated timeline in new books. If they do care, put some time in addressing it.
I just hate that Nintendo seems to want to make everyone happy and as a result makes nobody happy.
Never
I feel kind of dissapointed. This doesn't feel like a 'Main Zelda game' but just like a side creative mini game. I can't find the right word. But comparable to Link's Crossbow training/Hyrule Warriors if you know what i mean. Not a big main story game.
We can finally play as Zelda and instead of making her strong and fight (to show everyone that girls/woman can be good at fighting too), it looks like the focus is on young kids being creative.
I'd personelly much rather have the TP/WW HD remake than this not 'main storygame'
Speculation just for fun:
I bet Link landed in Castlevania's Chaotic Realm and has to face off Dracula
:DD
if they called it legend of link people would claim its not part of the main series
Wand of Gamelon 2 is real!
day 188 of mentioning that on 5/6/2023 hyrule gamer made a video where, at 43.46, he spent 12 seconds simping about the ancient gerudo soldiers
Oh it hurts so bad hearing someone say "let's talk about the brand new game, ZELDA ECHOES OF WISDOM". Noo.. This franchise is a legend. A LEGEND. It is not called "ZELDA ECHOES OF WISDOM". It is The Legend of Zelda - Echoes of Wisdom". Thanks, I will let myself out.
day 177 of mentioning that on 5/6/2023 hyrule gamer made a video where, at 43.46, he spent 12 seconds simping about the ancient gerudo soldiers
did you know hastune miku the character is legally married to 3700 different people?
- A Video Game
Bout time zelda does something besides sit around and wait…… Once she finds Link she will probably sit down and make him pack her like Ruto did…
Why does this game feel like a sequel to link's awakening.😂
I actually really like the change-up of having Zelda as protagonist! Only I hope this will be one of the last 'sandboxy endlessly free Zelda games'. I like a game to have structure and intention with their design and playing something like totk or a game where you can copy everything feels like you're in a cheat/developer mode and breaks my immersion and sense of satisfaction after solving puzzles with one of thousand cheese strats. Though I still have a lot of hope this will be an amazing game!
i dont need to watch the video to know exactly what Wand of Gamelon 2 is. it is Wand of Gamelon 2.
为什么要去暮光之轮？
A game where you can play as Zelda? My childhood wishes have been answered!
Hell yeah!
For anyone hating on this game. Just know Nintendo didn’t have to do this for us. They could have just beeen done with Tears of the kingdom and just stop there till god knows how long 😂
What is it? A video game. lel
Cant wait to hear how bad this game is on zelda subreddits!
Hate to be that guy but I really don’t think this is going to be a good game. It’s coming too soon, the story is either going to be way to short or the game will be unfinished on release especially with the fact that it’s planned to be released this year. It also seems like a huge departure from how previous games have been especially playing as Zelda instead of link is so weird. I’d understand playing as both but assuming the story is more Zelda saving link just seems like such a departure from the classic knight in shining armor saving the princess kind of story that all the games followed. I don’t know what you all will think but I personally don’t think it’s going to be a good game. You can have your opinion and love this style with Zelda being the main focus but I’m not sure if I even am going to want to play this game, it’s just not my kind of Zelda game.
Its ok. If you dont like it, not play.