I actually tried using a third party stylus on m4 iPad and none of them work well at the moment. This is due to APPLE changing the technology for Palm Rejection in the newer M4 IPads. Due to this the only viable Pencil is Apple Pencil Pro until all 3rd party companies start redesigning the pens for magnetic charging and palm rejection that works. If you own any other iPad non m4 version! Then totally get these stylus pens they all work perfectly.
Yeah I agree that very few styluses are actually optimized for the M4 iPad Pro. I’ve had the issues with the magnetic charging and even just the magnets holding them well, but I haven’t had any issues with the palm rejection not working. All of mine seem to be doing well in that department, but I’ll definitely update ever if that changes
Yeah basically everything in this video would apply to all iPad’s compatible with the Apple Pencil Pro, and the older iPads work even better with the magnetic connections from these styluses.
Basically they don’t have magnetic charging or any of the new features that came with the Apple Pencil Pro. If you want more details I talk all about that in the video
If you are an artist of some kind, it's sort of a completely different story haha. The lack of pressure sensitivity is the main deal breaker for all of these alternatives unfortunately. Wish there was an apple pencil alternative with that feature, that would be a pretty big savings for budget artists who want to just buy a new Air and don't need the barrel roll for their artwork needs as an example.
Yeah that totally makes sense. As I don’t really have much experience with digital art, I wasn’t too sure how much that is a dealbreaker or not, but thank you so much for your input! That’s very helpful! I agree, it would be nice to see that feature in a budget option. I wonder if it’s software locked by Apple to be only their higher end Pencil. I just haven’t seen anything else with that feature
The crayon was originally meant for kids, hence the shape and tip cover which can't be easily removed. I like the RENAISSER Turing 530 Pen which has a special tip that is springy. Take away the tapping sound on the screen.
Thanks for the videi. Just picked up an M4 iPad Pro and had no idea I couldn't use my old Apple Pencil. Certainly don't want to spend an arm and a leg for a new one, so I'm thankful for your suggestions
Yes, that’s probably a better way of saying it, I typically call the wall plug the “charging brick” and the cables the “charging cables” but sometimes I just refer to the cables as chargers and the other as the bricks 🤷♂️😂 but yeah cables would’ve been a better word.
Based on the fact that the iPad Air M2 has the same Apple Pencil compatibility as the M4 Pro’s, it will work. I don’t have an M2 Air but I’m confident it will work
@@Graf-XTechReviewsthe hover is actually useful to continue writing where you left it. Also, Ive seen some reviews of people showing how 3rd party stylus dont work well when using other note taking apps (like even jittering and skipping chunks of the drawn line) + the AP usb-c been sleeker and hidding the port makes me like it more. It was on sale on Prime Day btw
Yeah that’s cool that it was on sale. And if the hover is worth that extra amount then definitely it’s worth it. As far as performance and on 3rd Party apps specifically, as I mentioned and showed in the video, all the ones I tried worked very well
I love the Logitech Crayon. I upgraded to the M4 iPad from the iPad Air 4. The Logitech crayon is what I used for my Air and I’m so happy I didn’t have to buy another pencil like everyone who decided to switch to the new iPads. The Logitech Crayon works great on my iPad Pro M4!
Yes that’s definitely a benefit of going with that! Just curious, what do you do to keep your Crayon with your iPad? Since it doesn’t magnetically attach?
This video started from a wrong assumption, which you probably realized during the video. The crayon technology is no different from the other pencil alternatives, they all use the exact same Apple technology that has leaked to Chinese manufacturers. Even Apple USB C pencil uses the same tech, so that's why they all have the same palm rejection, precision, latency etc. The only differences are in other features like charging, turning on etc. (and hover). And I do agree with your conclusion, while the pencil pro is the best, the only worthwhile alternative is the cheapest one
Wow, I’ll check to confirm that it is true for us here as well, but yeah that’s a great deal! The Apple Pencil Pro is definitely the best option as long as you can afford it, and if it’s free then there’s definitely nothing better!
Great video, I have used Apple Pencil alternatives for years and have been impressed with them. However you used a term that I am not familiar with. That is “auto refine handwriting “, Would you elaborate on this feature? Keep up the good work.
Yes this is only in the new Betas of iPadOS 18. I do apologize, I should’ve made sure that was clear! It just basically tries to straighten and adjust your writing as you go
@@0xCUBE I can see why you might think that. But this is my business partners channel. I run the Graf-X Motion stop motion channel. I happened to see his video right when it posted and put down a genuine comment. Nothing nefarious here. 😉👍
I actually tried using a third party stylus on m4 iPad and none of them work well at the moment. This is due to APPLE changing the technology for Palm Rejection in the newer M4 IPads. Due to this the only viable Pencil is Apple Pencil Pro until all 3rd party companies start redesigning the pens for magnetic charging and palm rejection that works. If you own any other iPad non m4 version! Then totally get these stylus pens they all work perfectly.
Yeah I agree that very few styluses are actually optimized for the M4 iPad Pro. I’ve had the issues with the magnetic charging and even just the magnets holding them well, but I haven’t had any issues with the palm rejection not working. All of mine seem to be doing well in that department, but I’ll definitely update ever if that changes
@@Graf-XTechReviews can u recommend 1 alternative for ipad pro m4 , for note taking with 100% efficient pal rejection…
Thanks for the detailed info.
Of course, that’s always my goal!
Works on Ipad Air 6th?
Yeah basically everything in this video would apply to all iPad’s compatible with the Apple Pencil Pro, and the older iPads work even better with the magnetic connections from these styluses.
What makes the price difference?
Between which ones?
@@Graf-XTechReviews for both compared to the Apple one
Basically they don’t have magnetic charging or any of the new features that came with the Apple Pencil Pro. If you want more details I talk all about that in the video
If you are an artist of some kind, it's sort of a completely different story haha. The lack of pressure sensitivity is the main deal breaker for all of these alternatives unfortunately. Wish there was an apple pencil alternative with that feature, that would be a pretty big savings for budget artists who want to just buy a new Air and don't need the barrel roll for their artwork needs as an example.
Yeah that totally makes sense. As I don’t really have much experience with digital art, I wasn’t too sure how much that is a dealbreaker or not, but thank you so much for your input! That’s very helpful! I agree, it would be nice to see that feature in a budget option. I wonder if it’s software locked by Apple to be only their higher end Pencil. I just haven’t seen anything else with that feature
The crayon was originally meant for kids, hence the shape and tip cover which can't be easily removed. I like the RENAISSER Turing 530 Pen which has a special tip that is springy. Take away the tapping sound on the screen.
That’s interesting, I’ll have to check that out!
Thanks for the videi. Just picked up an M4 iPad Pro and had no idea I couldn't use my old Apple Pencil. Certainly don't want to spend an arm and a leg for a new one, so I'm thankful for your suggestions
Of course! I’m glad I could help!
Do any have pressure sensitivity feature for drawing?
No I don’t believe so, I think Apple keeps that pretty exclusive to their Apple Pencil
I need a quick reply from you is their major heating or battery drain issue while using the Pencil?
Not really, but Apple Notes specifically with the Pencil has caused battery drain and a lot of heat with the Pencil, but other apps don’t seem to
@@Graf-XTechReviews Oh thanks for the reply. How much much battery backup are you getting on your use case
Thanks for review! Don't see chargers in the boxes - just cables. I think of a charger as the item that you plug into the wall/socket to charge it.
Yes, that’s probably a better way of saying it, I typically call the wall plug the “charging brick” and the cables the “charging cables” but sometimes I just refer to the cables as chargers and the other as the bricks 🤷♂️😂 but yeah cables would’ve been a better word.
FYI, you can get silicone usb c plugs for a buck or two to alleviate your worries about that open port
Ok, awesome! Thanks for sharing that! That is good to know!
@@Graf-XTechReviews Oh, and I forgot to say, thx for the vid. Thumbs up. It was helpful to me as I’m trying to find a pencil alternative 👍
Awesome! I’m glad it was able to help! That’s definitely the goal!
Works on ipad air m2?
have u tried it by yourself?
Based on the fact that the iPad Air M2 has the same Apple Pencil compatibility as the M4 Pro’s, it will work. I don’t have an M2 Air but I’m confident it will work
@@Graf-XTechReviews Ohk buddy
thnks for the comment
I think the best alternative if youre not an artist and dont need the pencil pro is the Apple Pencil usb-c.
My only question is do you use the hover feature much? Otherwise I don’t see anything better about that one VS the much cheaper $15 stylus
@@Graf-XTechReviewsthe hover is actually useful to continue writing where you left it. Also, Ive seen some reviews of people showing how 3rd party stylus dont work well when using other note taking apps (like even jittering and skipping chunks of the drawn line) + the AP usb-c been sleeker and hidding the port makes me like it more. It was on sale on Prime Day btw
Yeah that’s cool that it was on sale. And if the hover is worth that extra amount then definitely it’s worth it. As far as performance and on 3rd Party apps specifically, as I mentioned and showed in the video, all the ones I tried worked very well
Have found if you don't need pressure sensitivity then even the most cheapo stylus works great.
Yeah that is pretty much the conclusion I came to as well!
I love the Logitech Crayon. I upgraded to the M4 iPad from the iPad Air 4. The Logitech crayon is what I used for my Air and I’m so happy I didn’t have to buy another pencil like everyone who decided to switch to the new iPads. The Logitech Crayon works great on my iPad Pro M4!
Yes that’s definitely a benefit of going with that! Just curious, what do you do to keep your Crayon with your iPad? Since it doesn’t magnetically attach?
@@Graf-XTechReviews I use a pencil holder and I attached it to my folio. Doesn’t add any bulk and I can still lay my iPad down flat if needed.
That makes sense! Thanks for sharing!
Hii I would like to know is their excessive heating and battery drain issue while using it for note taking or drawing on the new M4 Pro?
i have these plus more i prefer the adonis note + its the one i use all the time i like the switch easy 4 pro also.
That’s interesting! I’ll check those out!
This video started from a wrong assumption, which you probably realized during the video. The crayon technology is no different from the other pencil alternatives, they all use the exact same Apple technology that has leaked to Chinese manufacturers. Even Apple USB C pencil uses the same tech, so that's why they all have the same palm rejection, precision, latency etc. The only differences are in other features like charging, turning on etc. (and hover). And I do agree with your conclusion, while the pencil pro is the best, the only worthwhile alternative is the cheapest one
Yeah exactly, it was interesting for even my self to go through that and learn about it! Thanks for sharing!
thanks for this benefit vedio it was helpful for me ❤
Glad it could help!
Nothing can replace the apple pencil pro, just ask someone for their student id and get it for free
I’m not sure you can get it completely for free, but if you can then yeah! Go for it!
@@Graf-XTechReviews you get a free apple pencil with back to school offer. Atleast in my country
Wow, I’ll check to confirm that it is true for us here as well, but yeah that’s a great deal! The Apple Pencil Pro is definitely the best option as long as you can afford it, and if it’s free then there’s definitely nothing better!
You have to buy an ipad to get that…otherwise its $10 off with student id.
@@stevecontos3317 yes, my bad for not mentioning that.
Great video, I have used Apple Pencil alternatives for years and have been impressed with them. However you used a term that I am not familiar with. That is “auto refine handwriting “, Would you elaborate on this feature? Keep up the good work.
Yes this is only in the new Betas of iPadOS 18. I do apologize, I should’ve made sure that was clear! It just basically tries to straighten and adjust your writing as you go
Wow. I’m shocked at how good the cheap one is! I really enjoyed the review!
bro responded to his own channel 💀
@@0xCUBE I can see why you might think that. But this is my business partners channel. I run the Graf-X Motion stop motion channel. I happened to see his video right when it posted and put down a genuine comment. Nothing nefarious here. 😉👍
Yeah I was impressed by the performance of the cheapest one as well!
Great review, many thanks.
Glad it helped!
ESR updated the pencil in August I think.
Ok thanks that’s great to know!
what , please share the entire name