Credit to you all for digging into this and interrogating new releases with both a critical eye and without a penchant for doom and gloom. You raise valid points and valid solutions and it's REALLY refreshing versus the "old man yells at cloud" model that any others in the hobby take. It's why I continue to tune in - bravo.
I'm like Scottie, in that I'm sad when I open product & get little value. So I've only bought budget boxes like blaster, hanger, single packs so I can still enjoy the "opening sealed product" feeling.
Chris here - we all hate that feeling of wastig money in the hobby by ripping boxes full of commons and junk autos. Especially when the prices are so high.
@@stevenbetge6538 This makes a lot of sense, Steven. And I heard today that even our favorite product, Stadium Club is going to come with a high price tag this year! 🤬
Great episode as always fellas. Another way to tell the difference in the auto cards is the lettering of the card. The regular Topps Chrome Jonny LeDuca auto is RA-JDE and the lettering on the Logofractor auto is RCA-JDE. As a Marlins fan, I noticed this last year when I was buying Chrome Max Meyer autographs. Meyer’s Topps Chrome was on card and the same exact photo was used in Topps Chrome Update but was a sticker auto. The regular Chrome Meyer was RA-MME and Update Chrome Meyer was AC-MME. Maybe this will help some folks tell the difference between all of these products under the Topps Chrome umbrella.
yall know i went all in with pete, i couldn't imagine trying to do that in 2024. if i include every topps and bowman set i have for just for his rookie year its just under 1000 cards. and I'm still missing a bunch of the super low numbered stuff. the era of the super collector might not be dead but i sure feel sorry for the poor sap trying to build out every set
1. There were regular superfractor autos in last two years of logofractor too. It was odd and somewhat disappointing. 2. Chrome Update has SEVEN SP or SSP Insert chases, including Home Field Advantage in chrome. I was able to snag the pre-order hobby, which was fortunate with how quickly they sold out
totally understandable, but if you don't buy any then you have no chance to pull a MLB Debut patch auto!! (Although to be fair, you have almost no chance if you DO BUY some.
To me it's going to depend on if Skenes has on card autos or not. If he has them then it will be an awesome chase with not great odds, but possible to pull and chase. The debut patches are just too hard to pull, and the set doesn't really have much else to look forward too as like you guys said, a lot of the guys had chrome base cards already. I'd be better off waiting if there's no legitimate chase
Chris here - Skenes rookie autos MUST BE on card. They just have to be. Miller and Eury Perez had on card rookie autos in last year's chrome update, while the repeated rookies were all stickers. Having said all of this, if Topps just put sticker autos on all the rookies, I wouldn't be shocked, just disappointed. At least we know MLB debut patch autos will be on card.
Great fair critical thinking from all. Thank you. I thought that the price was very fair for the gamble, but I did not spring for it. We have not had a card shop in my area since the 1990s. I only order slabbed cards on eBay since I have been burned buying raw cards online. I am left buying cards at local auctions, flea markets as well as Target and Barnes & Noble (if I want to spend my time ripping NFL and NHL packs from retail boxes). Given these facts, I am thinking that I might be in favor of a Fanatics card shop coming to my area despite its monopolistic tendencies. Topps should lend an ear to authentic collectors. - Heather (your friendly neighborhood Yankees fan).
Chris here - buying slabbed cards online is the smartest way to do it. I actually had to almost battle out an ebay return on a raw card. Nothing makes you feel dumber than a raw card shows up and its badly damaged, but hidden in the photos on ebay.
Next video when yall are talking to each other can yall do the brady bunch thing? Where if Scott is talking to Ty he faces the right, or if talking to Jeff he looks down and Jeff looks up. That would be super duper rad.
Definitely looks like one of the more enjoyable sets to open. But I’d rather just buy a nice rare high graded card. But def one of the better releases it seems in awhile. I live in Tokyo and only open the Topps Japan release. Those are the craziest most loaded boxes ever. Highly recommend them if you guys haven’t tried. They release on topps Japan site on Dec and ship to USA.
chris here - I've never opened any Topps Japan cards. Maybe i should give it a shot! Id rather just find a nice Skenes Gold Refractor than rip some boxes.
They condense series 1, series 2 and update into one. Golds are outta 25 and they have Sakura parallels that go for big money. The autos are only star players and star rookies and u get 1 per the $125 dollar box. I think they make them so crazy to get people in Japan more into cards. Every box I open I get about a 300% return. Which is really unheard of these days
By the time the video was released, the prerelease was sold out. I have been buying different types of releases, and the is the first jumbo chrome I pre-ordered. It's not as bad as Bowman draft from last year in cost.
I tried to get one Hobby Box, was checking out, when it went to a black screen, and came back and said it was out of stock. At 12:02. Managed to get 2 Update Hobbys yesterday, and wish I had gone for a Jumbo, but thought I would be getting at least one Hobby Chrome Update today. Oh well.
I got back into collecting cards a few months ago and whatever you guys talked about in the last part of the video just sounded like you spoke in a foreign language to me lol
Hello Guys,I was in a Player Break $168 for 20 case break and just saw that I am getting an Adley Rutschman Heavy Lumber Autograph Card/25,buy into who you like to buy and don't go Broke doing so,Thank you for the Podcast Guys.❤
I also think they used to call the 1/1 from logofractors Rose and not superfractor. I remember bc I pulled the freddie freeman 1/1 from 2023 logofractor
Chris here - that's frustrating, but of course the same company who routinely can't center cards also can't print the logos right side up consistently.
Anybody should be able to buy at least 1 hobby or 1 jumbo from Topps directly, if not why the heck they even sell on their site. I’m in Montana and my local store is gonna be lucky to get half a case of jumbo and a case of hobby
It’s like in pannini printing plates 1/1, they actually have several it’s just minor changes to one spot of the design, there only 1 of 1s cause the logo is on top or bottom in the middle it’s companies telling us they think we’re stupid
They should have made replica patch cards so it would be a little more fun to open. Still have the 1/1, but at least give those who don't hit anything the "feeling" of hitting a real patch card. (Like at least 1,000 of each available - In all formats.)
How much of that $45 million is profit? Companies like Red Lobster and Bed Bath and Beyond had revenue in the billions, and they still weren't profitable and had to file for chapter 11 bankruptcy
They should have rookies wear multiple debut patches their first week in the Bigs then have a gold patch for 1/1. That way they’re out of 10 instead of tough 1/1 pulls…
A ton of debut patch redemptions will sit on boxes for years, its kind of a shame in my opinion. I bet we see some of these cards in topps redemption boxes at the national in 5+ years
Chris here - I believe he MLB Debut Patch Auto redemptions NEVER EXPIRE!! I know they made all redemptions from 2022 onward have 10 year expirations, but I think the Debut Autos are infinite!!
Super collecting for modern is hard. I have been for Miguel Vargas, a meme guy at this point but it’s still fun. I stick to essentially anything under ten non auto, and even 75% of those I have no interest. Like purple sapphire and black sapphire. A couple # inserts like stars in the night. A couple supers. Gotta be super picky
Ok a bit disappointed. Opened a jumbo yesterday as soon as my shop opened. Hit two memes, not the best, got all the bases keens, no variations no Auto! I got a Riley Greene Black, all gold were vets, best hit wa# Jason Dominguez black n gold. I already filled out the complaint form on 5heir website, they broke two other jumbos one had no auto again and one had both silver packs stuck together, damaged gettin* them apart. I doubt I’ll be breaking any chrome update
if you buy a box and don't get the guaranteed hit - like an auto - you can go to their website and provide proof and sometimes they'll send you somehting to make up for it.
Topps is full it. Last year I pulled the Brandon Pfaadt MLB Debut card. I then tried to redeem the card online and Topps website would not accept the code. I then emailed Topps and they instructed me to fill out the card and mail it in to them. After a few weeks later I receive a package from Topps thinking my problem has been resolved and I received my MLB Debut card but boy was I wrong! Topps sent me and I kid you not Two packs ( 21 Topps chrome and 22 Bowman Platinum) Yelich relic card (not numbered) Cal Mitchell Finest RC auto and a Carlos Perez Finest RC auto (both not numbered) with a Topps card saying that my redemption was expired and these are replacements.
Is Skenes enough to elevate this? Skenes AND Debut patch autos?? You're rihgt though. The sticker autos tend to wreck chrome update for me. But I will be looking for a nice skenes card.
@@BadLuckMurphy Chris here - You're right - the rookie class in flagship update has a chance to be an all time one. But odds of pulling anything good are still astronomical!
Suggesting topps how to do business is a bit much, u forget they created u all, obviously they know how to generate business ur suggestions as a collector is a bit much. Find a different hobby as is you all dnt rip.
Chris here - they definitely know how to generate business, but do you think what they're doing currently is sustainable? Also, its a strange situation where Topps manufactures a product for a specific group of people only, so you'd think getting feedback from that group would be beneficial to both parties.
There's something to be said when you love a product so much, to actually save for a month to buy it, and get literally a $40 retrun on that $300 box. But, you watch everyone except you get good hits. It's As maddening. As much as I love ripping wax, I'm retiring from it after 3 months of returning to the hobby. Seeing the amount of money Topps are making, but they have no desire to reciprocate the returns to consumers, I can't see myself ever buying these boxes again. Blaster and hangers, possibly, but even that is a stretch. Topps appear to be content with giving their consumers the middle finger and that's what makes it hard for me to support their new releases.
Credit to you all for digging into this and interrogating new releases with both a critical eye and without a penchant for doom and gloom. You raise valid points and valid solutions and it's REALLY refreshing versus the "old man yells at cloud" model that any others in the hobby take. It's why I continue to tune in - bravo.
Chris here - thanks for watching, Katie!
Jeff here: Thanks Kate! And thanks for joining our Blabbin' LIVES, love your perspective.
I'm like Scottie, in that I'm sad when I open product & get little value. So I've only bought budget boxes like blaster, hanger, single packs so I can still enjoy the "opening sealed product" feeling.
Chris here - we all hate that feeling of wastig money in the hobby by ripping boxes full of commons and junk autos. Especially when the prices are so high.
@@stevenbetge6538 This makes a lot of sense, Steven. And I heard today that even our favorite product, Stadium Club is going to come with a high price tag this year! 🤬
Scottie is right. Topps online pricing is starting to get cheaper than local shops.
Yes. Also, everywhere the pre-sale for Chrome Update Megas is $75. GameStop has the pre-sale for $50 for a Mega.
starting? It is. I bought a case of Topps jumbo for 1235. At my card shop almost 300 a box.
Maybe I'm late to the party but I've noticed on the debut patch cards it features a photo of the player wearing the patch so that's pretty cool
This is possibly my favorite episode
Great episode as always fellas. Another way to tell the difference in the auto cards is the lettering of the card. The regular Topps Chrome Jonny LeDuca auto is RA-JDE and the lettering on the Logofractor auto is RCA-JDE. As a Marlins fan, I noticed this last year when I was buying Chrome Max Meyer autographs. Meyer’s Topps Chrome was on card and the same exact photo was used in Topps Chrome Update but was a sticker auto. The regular Chrome Meyer was RA-MME and Update Chrome Meyer was AC-MME. Maybe this will help some folks tell the difference between all of these products under the Topps Chrome umbrella.
And they sold out in minutes. So wanting to pre-order is irrelevant 😢. Great episode!!
And you know why ? because of that flagship true Skenes rookie auto
You guys always keep it 💯 and that's what I like
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Appreciate it!
Case Cracking CREW - Well done!
yall know i went all in with pete, i couldn't imagine trying to do that in 2024. if i include every topps and bowman set i have for just for his rookie year its just under 1000 cards. and I'm still missing a bunch of the super low numbered stuff. the era of the super collector might not be dead but i sure feel sorry for the poor sap trying to build out every set
Rainbows in 2024 are laughable!!!
1. There were regular superfractor autos in last two years of logofractor too. It was odd and somewhat disappointing.
2. Chrome Update has SEVEN SP or SSP Insert chases, including Home Field Advantage in chrome. I was able to snag the pre-order hobby, which was fortunate with how quickly they sold out
Great Scott you cracked the case!
@@craigbrown7880 We’re like the Hardy Boys around here! 🤣
I for one will not being buying boxes of this stuff. Nice job gentlemen!
totally understandable, but if you don't buy any then you have no chance to pull a MLB Debut patch auto!! (Although to be fair, you have almost no chance if you DO BUY some.
@@SpitballinCards of course, I can just wait for them to hit the singles market. I’m an odds guy, so I don’t rip much
To me it's going to depend on if Skenes has on card autos or not. If he has them then it will be an awesome chase with not great odds, but possible to pull and chase. The debut patches are just too hard to pull, and the set doesn't really have much else to look forward too as like you guys said, a lot of the guys had chrome base cards already. I'd be better off waiting if there's no legitimate chase
Chris here - Skenes rookie autos MUST BE on card. They just have to be. Miller and Eury Perez had on card rookie autos in last year's chrome update, while the repeated rookies were all stickers. Having said all of this, if Topps just put sticker autos on all the rookies, I wouldn't be shocked, just disappointed. At least we know MLB debut patch autos will be on card.
Great fair critical thinking from all. Thank you. I thought that the price was very fair for the gamble, but I did not spring for it. We have not had a card shop in my area since the 1990s. I only order slabbed cards on eBay since I have been burned buying raw cards online. I am left buying cards at local auctions, flea markets as well as Target and Barnes & Noble (if I want to spend my time ripping NFL and NHL packs from retail boxes). Given these facts, I am thinking that I might be in favor of a Fanatics card shop coming to my area despite its monopolistic tendencies. Topps should lend an ear to authentic collectors. - Heather (your friendly neighborhood Yankees fan).
@@the80slivehere Thanks for the thoughts, Heather! And Yanks looking good…
Chris here - buying slabbed cards online is the smartest way to do it. I actually had to almost battle out an ebay return on a raw card. Nothing makes you feel dumber than a raw card shows up and its badly damaged, but hidden in the photos on ebay.
Next video when yall are talking to each other can yall do the brady bunch thing? Where if Scott is talking to Ty he faces the right, or if talking to Jeff he looks down and Jeff looks up. That would be super duper rad.
😂😂 might get taco neck!
Definitely looks like one of the more enjoyable sets to open. But I’d rather just buy a nice rare high graded card. But def one of the better releases it seems in awhile.
I live in Tokyo and only open the Topps Japan release. Those are the craziest most loaded boxes ever. Highly recommend them if you guys haven’t tried. They release on topps Japan site on Dec and ship to USA.
chris here - I've never opened any Topps Japan cards. Maybe i should give it a shot!
Id rather just find a nice Skenes Gold Refractor than rip some boxes.
They condense series 1, series 2 and update into one. Golds are outta 25 and they have Sakura parallels that go for big money. The autos are only star players and star rookies and u get 1 per the $125 dollar box. I think they make them so crazy to get people in Japan more into cards. Every box I open I get about a 300% return. Which is really unheard of these days
By the time the video was released, the prerelease was sold out. I have been buying different types of releases, and the is the first jumbo chrome I pre-ordered. It's not as bad as Bowman draft from last year in cost.
Good luck! Hoepfully theres a debut patch auto in there
I tried to get one Hobby Box, was checking out, when it went to a black screen, and came back and said it was out of stock. At 12:02. Managed to get 2 Update Hobbys yesterday, and wish I had gone for a Jumbo, but thought I would be getting at least one Hobby Chrome Update today. Oh well.
presales go so fast...
Well done 👍
I got back into collecting cards a few months ago and whatever you guys talked about in the last part of the video just sounded like you spoke in a foreign language to me lol
hahaha - give it time. Chris here - I remember that feeling!
Hello Guys,I was in a Player Break $168 for 20 case break and just saw that I am getting an Adley Rutschman Heavy Lumber Autograph Card/25,buy into who you like to buy and don't go Broke doing so,Thank you for the Podcast Guys.❤
Wow!! Lucky you!!
Enjoy the show guys.
I also think they used to call the 1/1 from logofractors Rose and not superfractor. I remember bc I pulled the freddie freeman 1/1 from 2023 logofractor
I htink you're right - great pull!!
I hope Topps is listening!
I think Topps blocked us
I'm still looking for Connor Bedard 1 of 1!
chris here - that's got to be a HUGE card
UD employee probably has it.
Hi sir , thanks for sharing the video. anyways, do you need a graphic artist to work on your YT banner? Update and redesign logo? for a cheap price...
With GameStop merging with PSA, I can see them also merging with fanatics. Which would be a good start to Fanatics stores opening
I don’t like how some of the logofractors have the MLB holo logo upside down and some are are fine. Get it together, Topps.
Chris here - that's frustrating, but of course the same company who routinely can't center cards also can't print the logos right side up consistently.
i bought my first box of cards since 2015. A blaster of Topps Update. And I got ... nothing. Singles for me.
Give a couple hangers a shot!
@@Philmington my card shop doesn't sell hangers. We'll see.
chris here - singles are the way to go!
Anybody should be able to buy at least 1 hobby or 1 jumbo from Topps directly, if not why the heck they even sell on their site. I’m in Montana and my local store is gonna be lucky to get half a case of jumbo and a case of hobby
Yeah the presale selling out so quick is annoying. They;ll get more when it releases and usually that lasts longer.
Dont look at the code look at the card number - Logofractor is RCA- Chrome is RA
What’s the best site or app for these checklists?
Can we talk about tommy edman stocks? His cards are on the rise especially since today!
Sell sell sell!
It’s like in pannini printing plates 1/1, they actually have several it’s just minor changes to one spot of the design, there only 1 of 1s cause the logo is on top or bottom in the middle it’s companies telling us they think we’re stupid
i only buy boxes with pete alonso rookie cards in them 😂
haha understandable.
They should have made replica patch cards so it would be a little more fun to open. Still have the 1/1, but at least give those who don't hit anything the "feeling" of hitting a real patch card. (Like at least 1,000 of each available - In all formats.)
So what is my odds of pulling a superfractor or debut patch in 1 jumbo?
not good 🤣
Sapphire says sapphire on Topp left right under card number
When I hear Topps makes $45 million dollars in revenue, it makes me not want to give them my money, sheesh 😳
That's fair.
How much of that $45 million is profit? Companies like Red Lobster and Bed Bath and Beyond had revenue in the billions, and they still weren't profitable and had to file for chapter 11 bankruptcy
They should have rookies wear multiple debut patches their first week in the Bigs then have a gold patch for 1/1.
That way they’re out of 10 instead of tough 1/1 pulls…
I had a hobby in my cart and could not get it. the bots ravaged the site. You only were allowed 1 hobby and 1 jumbo per person.
thats frustrating!
I was only able to get a single hobby box 😔
I had same thing happen with ohtani 50-50 base card selling for $600. I had it in my cart and less than a minute later it was gone
A ton of debut patch redemptions will sit on boxes for years, its kind of a shame in my opinion. I bet we see some of these cards in topps redemption boxes at the national in 5+ years
Chris here - I believe he MLB Debut Patch Auto redemptions NEVER EXPIRE!! I know they made all redemptions from 2022 onward have 10 year expirations, but I think the Debut Autos are infinite!!
Super collecting for modern is hard. I have been for Miguel Vargas, a meme guy at this point but it’s still fun. I stick to essentially anything under ten non auto, and even 75% of those I have no interest. Like purple sapphire and black sapphire. A couple # inserts like stars in the night. A couple supers. Gotta be super picky
Thanks for the super collector perspective!
update chrome sold out in under 1 min.. insane
Yup. Wasn't expecting that. Based on the limits I don't think they had much to sell today.
Proving people will sadly overpay for a watered down product no matter what. Sticker autos also
cards hq is definitely competitive! its where i go. it does seem like its a touch higher than pre-sale, but worth paying a couple bucks to not ship
Is this Geoff Wilson? Lol
The chrome hobby was 100 bucks cheaper than the paper which I find is crazy.
What? REally??? Damn, I missed the presale!
Back up at $199 hobby, $420 jumbo. Not sure I can justify anything besides maybe a single hobby for this release.
Save you're money. Wait a month or 2 and buy the singles you want.
Great advice!
💯 percent
I don’t understand how judge or Wells weren’t the cover
Vernon Wells?
What exactly are bots?
Computer programs designed to get into these presales and buy up all the boxes before we humans have a chance.
Yeesh logofractor superduperfractor lol
Right?! 🤣
It will NEVER end
@@SpitballinCards logofractor pocketwornfractor superduperfractor 0/1 RC
I might grab a hobby with $120 in MVP buyback
Maybe your shop will have a nice 1989 on card auto for $120 instead!
Ok a bit disappointed. Opened a jumbo yesterday as soon as my shop opened. Hit two memes, not the best, got all the bases keens, no variations no Auto! I got a Riley Greene Black, all gold were vets, best hit wa# Jason Dominguez black n gold. I already filled out the complaint form on 5heir website, they broke two other jumbos one had no auto again and one had both silver packs stuck together, damaged gettin* them apart. I doubt I’ll be breaking any chrome update
Oh no! That's incredibly disappointing.
If Topps did not provide a hit in the product by putting it into a different product. Shouldn't they refund $$
if you buy a box and don't get the guaranteed hit - like an auto - you can go to their website and provide proof and sometimes they'll send you somehting to make up for it.
Topps is full it. Last year I pulled the Brandon Pfaadt MLB Debut card. I then tried to redeem the card online and Topps website would not accept the code. I then emailed Topps and they instructed me to fill out the card and mail it in to them. After a few weeks later I receive a package from Topps thinking my problem has been resolved and I received my MLB Debut card but boy was I wrong! Topps sent me and I kid you not Two packs ( 21 Topps chrome and 22 Bowman Platinum) Yelich relic card (not numbered) Cal Mitchell Finest RC auto and a Carlos Perez Finest RC auto (both not numbered) with a Topps card saying that my redemption was expired and these are replacements.
maybe if youtube peeps and breakers stopped buying this overpriced garbage for 1 year maybe prices would normalize
Chris here - youre exactly right. Until demand slows, we won't see a chance in the pricing from Topps. And its absurdly out of hand.
@@SpitballinCards that's why I do singles now
Worst set every single year
Is Skenes enough to elevate this? Skenes AND Debut patch autos??
You're rihgt though. The sticker autos tend to wreck chrome update for me. But I will be looking for a nice skenes card.
Ironically, flagship update is arguably the best.
@@BadLuckMurphy i think a lot of people agree with that, but personally i wouldnt touch any update
@@BadLuckMurphy Chris here - You're right - the rookie class in flagship update has a chance to be an all time one. But odds of pulling anything good are still astronomical!
Suggesting topps how to do business is a bit much, u forget they created u all, obviously they know how to generate business ur suggestions as a collector is a bit much. Find a different hobby as is you all dnt rip.
Topps would be smart to listen to their customers. I thought the feedback was good
Chris here - they definitely know how to generate business, but do you think what they're doing currently is sustainable?
Also, its a strange situation where Topps manufactures a product for a specific group of people only, so you'd think getting feedback from that group would be beneficial to both parties.
There's something to be said when you love a product so much, to actually save for a month to buy it, and get literally a $40 retrun on that $300 box. But, you watch everyone except you get good hits. It's As maddening. As much as I love ripping wax, I'm retiring from it after 3 months of returning to the hobby. Seeing the amount of money Topps are making, but they have no desire to reciprocate the returns to consumers, I can't see myself ever buying these boxes again. Blaster and hangers, possibly, but even that is a stretch. Topps appear to be content with giving their consumers the middle finger and that's what makes it hard for me to support their new releases.