Feminine Symbolism in Christian Art | Seattle Talk
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- The imagery of the Mother of God is explored, its development in the history of the Church and how it relates to understanding the symbolic patterns of reality,
This talk was given at St-John's Catholic Church in Montesano, Seattle.
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I've never thought about it making this much sense until you pointed out that Mary shows us where to look using her hand. It makes a lot of sense in terms of the role of the divine feminine that way. The divine feminine shows us where to look. Like a guide. It doesn't tell you how to solve all the difficult problems of getting there, just what you are required to pay attention to and where you need to go.
Beatrice played exactly this function in Dante.
The pattern is perfectly inverted in the Garden of Eden. Eve guided Adam to the apple and drew his attention to the one thing that would make them both mortal.
Good insight. I talk more about this on the inversion of masculine and feminine video.
I've been atheist since I was a young kid. I remember having bad experiences when "asking too many questions" in church and I found that attitude the exact opposite of the pursuit of wisdom and knowledge. I'm turning 25 years old soon and have been very curious about religion and Christianity specifically. I want to take a good luck at these stories we have told for a long time repeated over and over. I want to try to make logical sense of the miracles, to me miracles aren't necessarily supernatural, I find nature to be full of miracles. With that said, I want to throw away my biases and try to rethink Christianity and hopefully gain wisdom of its usefulness. I found this channel through JBP because I'm reading his book 12 rules for life which sparked this curiosity in myth, symbolism, and Jungian archetypes.
miracles were supernatural that's why they were telling and retelling their experiences. nobody would record normal experience
This was so informative about how mysticism relates to the Christian doctrines, even though you don’t specifically mention it at all. Thanks so much for this, really!
Personally I really like your video, but on some positive criticism I want to suggest is if you make videos like this, they would do better if it was planned out better. Maybe when theres less noise in the backround. Like noise canceling microphones. Its was a huge distraction. I'm not trying to be mean or anything just wanted to give some positive criticism. Other then that I enjoyed your video.
You and Jay Dyer should have a discussion together, he too is an Orthodox Christian and would be very interesting if you two could interact and speak about the faith 🙏☦️
My thoughts exactly. Thanks Jonathan
That will probably happen. Jay and I have been talking about it for a year or so.
Jonathan Pageau Glad to hear it! I look forward for the day to happen. God bless ☦️
what a great talk - thankyou.
Fascinating talk, thanks for posting.
If your child is crying and making it hard for people to hear the talk, it’s so selfish not to take them outside. It’s unbelievable actually.
Yes, how will we listen to the opera with that crying tot?
I’ve been away from religion and God for a long time. I’ve come across many things in the last few months that have brought me to Him again for the first time in decades. You are the first person I’ve heard speak about symbols. I’ve got a lot of questions and would be willing to pay you or to a charity of your choice to speak about the symbols as well as your recommendations on coming back to Christianity. I am reaching out to you because your lectures have been inspiring and they are related to the questions I have.
Such a great talk. It brings so much together. And the website looks great.
Mr Pageau you're a saint.
Was that Benjamin Boyce asking a question? 🤩
Btw, I can't wait to see the monument, when it's all done.
Yes, that was him.
Jesse I just realized that was him. I recognized his voice and the way he structured his question. Then Jonathan said “Benjamin” and my assumption was confirmed 😂
To get out, travel and share your knowledge is so wonderful. Then to share it here as well, very appreciated. For this thank you.
Your teaching is so good, being a woman and a mother I could relate to so much of this.
But how you see things I never would have, this is amazing and now in the future I will be paying much more attention to these wonderful details. One of the best things listening to this was , Mary knew her place of NOT importance , humbled in knowing everything points to Him...always. How very humble of a servant she was. How blessed she was, but never arrogant. Absolutely love the Icons and how they tell the deepest stories of Love
Himself. To study this and as well becoming apart, of the few who can actually master this amazing art. Thank you so much Jonathan.
Can you do symbolism of Fight Club?
Brian Lita fight club is fascism :)
It's just a giant metaphor for homosexuality. No joke.
Jesus holding his baby mommy is the most wholesome image I've seen all year. 😭😍
For reading lists, your website is a great place for your recommended “canon”, but I’d like to see more people in the IDW with a GoodReads page. As a fan of eclectic books, I like to see what people are reading now and what their entire library looks like.
Well I have just Finished Pavel Florensky, today I'll have a bit of a read out of the Philokalia and some Andrew Louth
love you Jonathan Pageau. Having done psychedelics i find the signs of numbers very interesting as symbols and how they are symbols in the bible. Also things like the swatstika and cross are very interesting symbols that i have not gotten to the bottom of. I would love your opinion.
Spiritually speaking (gender aside), matriarchal wisdom can begin with a fundamental understanding of the cyclical nature of reality (God).
Represented by the snake in many creation myths, the living cycle has a trinity of a beginning (head), a middle and end (tail). As above so below, the sexes were created in the image of God's cyclical nature where Mother is the head and opening to all beginnings and Father holds the tail to all endings (through which the sowing of seeds allow for the next great matriarchal rebirth).The joining of the two (symbolized by the Ouroborus or the marriage ring) is the sacred union needed in assuring the creation and continuation of new life cycles. To speak of the present day God as "Our Father" is simply an admission to our collective positioning within the bigger cycle.
As all mothers have direct experience with the creator quality of birthing, so is the direct experience of rebirthing the divinity within (baptism) belong to that which is spiritually matriarchal. (John 3, verse 3-8).
Sekhmet statues (ancient Egyptian) carry most of their weight in symbolic memory of what was a mother culture dedicated to the direct experience of baptism. As the leg shaped hairlocks extend from maternal breasts to the womb of rebirth, the lioness's head proportions are such that they highlight the bust of a second animal figure. The Lioness's ears as eyes and eyes as nose (nostrils) brings to life the figure of a reptile. 'Neath the halo headress of the solar egg, the lioness's egg fertilization process being internal (Set) and the reptile's egg fertilization process being external (Setting), such being key components to the safety of entering the trans-egoic or "born again" state. The life threatening fear associated with the predatory nature of a lion and/or crocodile encounter are reflective of the intense ego death experience associated with the transpersonal awakening process.
In spiritually matriarchal times, illumination could be seen as wearing the false beard (ancient Egyptian funerary "ego" death mask) as the high state of cyclical self knowing; high awareness of both our upper matriarchal half and our lower (later) patriarchal half (compared with a mini lower body replica, an "as above so below" tail end beard extension); in full recognition of her civilizational Underworld, her inevitable cyclical destiny. The male pharaoh wears his beard tapered in reverse, indicating a pointing upwards towards the patriarchal head, divine representative of God's tail end cycle.
To carry the Ankh was perhaps to symbolically carry that upper and lower understanding. As the upper matriarchal womb symbolised the fertile birthing of civilization, below, the now Christian cross is carried to place emphasis on the lower (later) "End Times" Father principle of the great cycle.
Ganesha, the elephant headed Hindu diety, displays a cyclical head to trunk symbolism and points to the Mother head of his matriarchal elephant society.
A whole temple was dedicated to the ancient Egyptian goddess Hathor, who is the matriarchal "Uterus" personified. ua-cam.com/video/J0m0zJSEFK0/v-deo.html
In the name of the Father, the Son and the holy ghosted... ? ... inevitability.
Great talk thank you
There was a moment when Catholic audience got confused and rightly so, idea of theosis is the biggest difference between orthodox and Catholic faiths and differs much with concept of "becoming a saint".
No we don't differ on that, even if the language is less familiar in the west. If you read the Catichism you will find a section on Theosis or Divinization, and in the Roman Liturgy the priest prays at the mingling of the water and wine something like: "by this mingling of water and wine may we come to share the Divinity of Christ, who humbled himself to share in our humanity."
It's very cool to see the similarities and differences between your religion and mine
What an infuriating lecture to sit thru.
This was great. It seems from hearing Catholics ask some questions that some may see this literally in the modern sense, by that I mean Heaven is "up and out there", prayer is more outwardly aimed and Jesus and the Saints are also "up and out there". This separation of in and out is at the heart of our problems in the West
47:30 Benjamin Boyce??!!? that sounds an awful lot like him
Yes, that was him.
woah cool... maybe I watch too much youtube if I can pick someone out like that.
Jonathan "This is how the world works" Pageau
It’s so hard for me not to see Mary as Sophia the mother of god
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Yes, definitely chat with Jay Dyer. You two are the best non-clergy/non-monastic Orthodox UA-camrs.
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Hmmm.. “mother of god” ... Jesus Christ made it perfectly clear who His ‘family’ is. Open the Holy Bible and discover the Truth for yourself. If you trust the word of any man, be it a priest, Bishop, scholar etc, just know that on Judgement Day it will be you and you alone, facing God Almighty. Jesus will either know you, or know you not. All Glory to Our Father in Heaven! There is only one Truth, one name by which we must be saved: Jesus Christ. Hallelujah!
The excessive veneration of Mary will be an obstacle for many of your Protestant viewers, as it was for Martin Luther, and I wonder how you yourself were able to theologically accept this essentially non-biblical, papist/priestly invention despite its symbolic imagery which likely derived from the pagan mystery cults.