Sacred Symbol, Sacred Art
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- This is a talk on Religious Symbolism and Sacred Art given at King's College University in February 2015 by Jonathan Pageau, Orthodox liturgical artist and editor of the Orthodox Arts Journal.
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Sacred Symbol, Sacred Art
The rediscovery of ancient Christian symbolism and the worldview which flows from the web of its analogies can be a source of new life for the Christian artist. This symbolism is not only present in the content and message, but in the forms, the mediums and the very uses of art. Christian art can be a true and honest engagement within the contemporary world, one which neither ignores the visual and conceptual revolutions of the last centuries nor attempts to paste the Christian message on forms and aesthetics which negate this very message..
As a Catholic and an artist I really appreciate what you're doing
Your lectures are the most important for young visual artists to review and to learn from because the language of symbols will be always with humanity as long as there will be language before we communicate start communicating telepathically there will be language and language itself is a symbol of reality it’s an attempt to describe reality for this reason your lectures are the most crucial to develop original personal symbolismoriginal style for every artist on Perth on earth on earth
I kept on getting this image in my mind near the end of his lecture of modern mankind feeding this big bonfire, feeding it with our souls in sacrifice for the big spectacle being produced by this magnificent fiery of fire we are witnessing, all unaware that we are loosing a very important part of ourselves for this one expedient moment.
With lecture opened my eye and gave me a new love for my faith. Thank you Mr Jonathan
I wish there were more professors like you and Jordan Peterson at university. Thank you for putting your work on UA-cam. Your work has had a great positive impact on my life. I go to a Pentecostal church and live in California so you can image the contradictions my worldview comes in contact with. You have reconciled many on the questions I have had about religion particularly regarding science vs religion. Thank you and God bless.
Got here from your "Metaphysics of Pepe" video. I thought this talk was really fantastic, and feel like you've given some information I've been yearning for for a while. (I'm struggling to find much beyond hyper-sentimentality in the religious environment I'm surrounded by, unfortunately.) As a creative person, I especially appreciated your contrast of modern art with pre-20th century art, and analysis of modern Christian art as being fundamentally misguided in attempting to emulate the deconstructionist/shallow nature of the former. You may have inspired me to try a few new approaches in my projects!
Looking forward to any other talks or analysis you're planning - I'm sure that I'll greatly benefit from them! All the best.
Profound about the connection between love and the logos! Beautiful and simple at the same time. The transition to the trinity was perfect.
The verses of Christ bringing the sword, and Christ as dividing the sheep from the goats, . has always been somewhat difficult for me, but your shared thoughts were very interesting.
To understand symbol as pondering in the heart, was also new for me.
Nice lecture!
I am so damn grateful for your videos Bwana Jonathan. Mungu akubariki sana.
Subbed. Your chat with Jordan Peterson was excellent.
Pretty sure that was an open door for a lot of us. My orthodox-seeker mate is interested now in your work because of the intersection of art and sacred traditionalism... but he found you through my link to your talk with Dr. Peterson.
Many thanks.
Excellent overbiew of the history and meaning of symbolism. Thank you so much for your videos.
I was born left handed but my Greek Mother beat me until I could write and eat with my right hand. Fascinating what it did to my brain. Thank you for this. I'm so glad I found you!
Was it a positive or a negative effect?
In Brazil, the poet and writer Ariano Suassuna shared this same ideas about art and made movement called: "Movimento Armorial".
Thank you for this thought, it's a direct answer from the most High to me today, on the rest day, the Holy Sabbath as well! As an artist l really struggled with the Why? As a person who has found a Friend in Jesus, (who is God, for if anyone questions that) l wondered in this modern art-days what l could do or make specifically. Staying true to myself and my knowledge and messages, and finding that bridge to the outside world. It still won't be a clear path ahead, but, symbols still talk to 'those that have an eye to see'. May God continually bless and guide you!
Beautiful talk Jonathan
Thank you Jonathan, your videos are helping me consolidate my unlearning of my art school ‘education’.
Thank you so much for this, brother. I just can't express how helpful this is.
Beautiful talk brother.
Wow! So profound… this is one of my first videos, but I will be watching more and sharing with anyone with interest.
Je viens tout juste de terminer le visionnement de la video de votre conférence. Très impressionné tant par vos propos que par votre oeuvre. C'est par le biais de mon intérêt pour Jordan B. Peterson que j'ai été mis en contact avec vous. J'attends impatiemment la suite, et j'espère un jour voir vos oeuvres
You encourage me to do my videos. I am very interested in learning about art and how it is printed in our popular culture. Thanks for all you do!
Excellent explanation!!!
excellent summation.
What's interesting about the interpretation of the icon of Christ, specifically the difference in the eyes, as the lowered brow symbolizing judgment or the sword and the other a symbol of mercy, is how this connects with something that Jordan Peterson often mentions which is an idea he derived from Jung, that idea being that God rules with two hands, the hand of mercy, and the hand of justice. This seems to run well with the interpretation of the expressions in the eyes of Christ that you provide
Jung took this from traditional sources. This notion of left and right is important both in Christianity and in Judaism.
@@JonathanPageau psychology is Jung compared to religion.
Outstanding
the crucifixion with the hangers had the freemason checkered floor and boaz and jochin columns (physical & spiritual reps).
I enjoyed this lecture. I have two comments about the last part: the black square I don't believe was about its simplicity but an in-the-moment statement on putting something as absurd as that in a museum and having people ooh&ahh over it. My other comment is merely to tie together making Christian art today with the early mention of reality being comprised of infinite details.
I will be going to the Louvre this year for three days. I just got back from Rome and the Vatican. I have been interested in this subject. Sadly yes in the lines of the Davinci Code and the books by Kathleen McGowan. As I find it the most interesting. Is there some books you or someone else has written that can lead me to where I can read up on this subject before my trip?
@15:17 “literally, symbolism means…”. 😉
If it had been known that the left hemisphere corresponds from the neck down to the right side of the body and vice versa, would early Christians have reversed the appearance of Jesus's eyes..?
No. Biological analasys and phenomenology are not the same.
I'm looking for a lecture where Jonathan Pageau says that in the ancient and medieval conception the art was considered to be in the artist not in the artifact. Anyone can direct me to that?
I didn't hear that. But I read from Vladimir Martynov that in case of music what was happening in church (in premodern times I guess) was not what we call music, but ascetic practice. Although I imagine it had some similar external attributes we may find in music. So in a way "art" was inside, although it is more like prayer than art.
Where is King's University?
Excellent!
Pageau is the Guilherme freire of the anglo world
Love your videos, man. Hope you write some books about all those things so it get better to study.
And keep on the work. Love from Brazil.
Thanks
So Mary did know?
Thou hast bared my nakedness. I knew my locutions, exhortations and prophecies to be contentious flights of ideas, and a mixture of heart and mind, innocence and vanity, truth and fancy.
So what seems unbalanced blowing to and fro, adds up to zero, but neutral, center, Christ, where the sum is All.
Such is a sinners life in joyful hope?
About 50 percent of artists are left handed.
54:30 I'm looking at you PureFlix!
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I found this to b an oddly esoteric talk about how art should b less esoteric.. in some sense u did not explore a single aspect of the nature of God except in a form that would most appeal, I suspect, to postmodern artists..
Every aspect of God is sacred and every manner in which we can touch the sacred will inspire the Logos within us. The talk had interesting ideas, but perhaps the absence of the Word seemed to keep it overly bound to a particular place and time
Jonathan Pageau Are you implying that the substitution of 'symbol' for reality is an organic development of our collective logos? If you are, please consider the words of Pope Leo in a letter to Flavian regarding 'heretical' beliefs in 451AD:
"....They (heretics) do not refer to... sayings ...nor to... letters... nor even to... gospels...but instead rely on observational experience..."
Plato wrote something to the effect of: "Arithmetic is useful because it discourages reasoning by direct observation" in The Republic a full millennium earlier.
I would argue that the substitution of symbology for direct observation, like the triumph of Picasso over Renoir, or that of Eminem over Tchaikovsky was not 'something that naturally happened' over time.
Pageau believes in the literal meaning of many parts of the Bible, like the resurrection. He also believes that the Bible is the message of the most powerful being in any universe, who is completely beyond human understanding. It is entirely possible that there is more than literal meaning in such a book, don't you think? Many of Pageau's ideas are not new and are teachings from Saint Maximus the Confessor, Saint Gregory of Nyssa, etc. This is not some modern heresy. This is knowledge that most people are never exposed to that goes back to the very beginning of the church. But hey it's been 4 years. I hope you have studied some of the church fathers yourself, in the meantime.
Why you gotta do my man Phil dirty like that 😢😂
in all fairness if i follow the logic you're teaching, that imagem of christ that you classified as a fool carry the simbolism you're explaining all along. the left eye that is looking to the "earth" or to the chaos of humanity is wide open and the right eye that should be looking to the sublime or divine is shut close, the eye of order and the eye of chaos.
but in that sense this christ winking is full of meaning, following your logic (if my understanding is correct) art represents a hidden meaning, when one person looks at art he's filled with all that simbolism encapsulated in the work that represent something true in our deep unknow and in this case the condensation of our meaning it's the jesus that walk with whores and turned water into wine. It's not hollow or shallow and it is modern art (i belive) even if he's a fool. Mr peterson says in his video that jesus is a metahuman, so our metahuman today is an idiot. But that doesn't mean that modern art is meaningless like the case you make on the video, most of it is bullshit because reasons, but the way you present seems to indicate that this idiot jesus comes from the same place you extract your inspiration afterall the guy who did it touch it on something true on a deep level, i'll speculate that the autor didn't had acess to this knowledge you have about the eyes so he had some kind of comunion with this idea via otherway, it sends a message, apart of that your work is cooler because you seems to put a lot more effort on techique. Just trying to extrapolate your teachings and see where it leads, thanks for your time!
well done. as with any preacher worth his salt, you managed to link many simple and sometimes unrelated things and contort their meaning to support your ideology.... you get an A+ in the 'snake oil' class
hahaaa! is sarcasm a sin? (who know's, you guys keep moving the goal posts). like i said, you're good at what you do - a simple observation. I'm not in the business of convincing/converting/indoctrinating, i find it bad for society in general to put what supports your ideology above what supports the needy
maybe when your balls drop you'll realise when you're communicating with an adult you gullible little boy
lol okay dude...
He's right though, you have that obnoxious combo of flippantly rude and smug that some teenage atheists never grow out of. The fact you think society's main goal should be to financially support the needy is also the sign of an immature mind. Are you sure this isn't a case of arrested development?
Maybe you want to read what i actually said instead of telling me what i think, i never suggested that financially supporting the needy should be society's main goal, although common decency should involve helping the needy. I pointed out that the church cares more for it's self promotion/preservation than the welfare of the people it claims to help.
guys I think I'm Jesus...
Your lectures are the most important for young visual artists to review and to learn from because the language of symbols will be always with humanity as long as there will be language before we communicate start communicating telepathically there will be language and language itself is a symbol of reality it’s an attempt to describe reality for this reason your lectures are the most crucial to develop original personal symbolismoriginal style for every artist on Perth on earth on earth