Yes Bob talks about it in the podcast. Sounds like a mammoth undertaking which still needs more time before he is ready to publish it. I think you’re going to enjoy this conversation 👍 it’s right up your alley 😁
The best videos you've done is when you brought up the devices and descriptions about the serappeum to been v kerk and he had no idea about the discoveries from years ago that blew up his entire portrayal of Egypt
Yes that was when I was still a Ben fan and thought it was very weird how he scurried out of the interview the moment they said they had read and translated the documents. Glad I left that cult before I spent any money on them. It’s just crazy to me he is accepting money to tour people through places he’s never done even a Wikipedia search on. Brien Foerster was even worse, touring people through places he didn’t even bother to know the names of!
@@raina4732 Snake Bros are also in the same boat as UnShartedX regarding the Serapeum. They went way overboard and still have not admitted it, so not Snakey.
Something the alternative community never connects the dots is exactly what Robert said. During the African humid period, when the rain erosion allegedly happened, the Nile was MASSIVE. No way anything would've withstood the force of that river.
Holy Schnikes. Not everyone is completely wrong neither. Erosion and weathering are natural forces at work and are definitely contributing factors. Mechanical processes as part of preservation efforts, of which there have been many (prior to and since 1817) have contributed to these major features in face of what many are promoting as solely natural affects. Relative sizes and proportions are necessary structural compromises when carving inSitu. Yes, we can carve very soft and otherwise "impossible" stone material with 'densification' technologies. Similar technologies we use to impregnate rot in wooden ships or grow new crystalline grain structure in concrete and porous stone. Great work guys, you two are amongst a very small group of credible research journalists. Don't forget about us lowly stone masons.
Cool thanks Alan. We had a great time speaking with Robert. It would just be awesome if long-form podcast videos would get more views on our channel. We’d love to catch up with you again at some point. Hope all is well 😊
@@AncientPresence Cheers. All is well, Been living IRL gardening and renovating the house. That bastard SGD let it all go to rot leaving me with all the work of getting things right again. He's banging at the door though with bags of rocks and copper tubes. I won't be able to keep him at bay much longer.
I think the idea of critiquing your old vids is a great idea!not just to show that their wrong but to show the process were you challenged your previous ideas😊
I saw Rob on Thersites the Historian and Dr Miano, love hearing more of him!!!! There is actually a large unmolested deposit of limestone nearby the Sphinx that looks very similar, but its far enough out of the way that nobody really looks at it.
Great discussion and points from each of you. As far as an example of detecting presence of human activity, ancient metalurgy in South America can be detected in both ice cores and lake sediment cores. Cool to hear about the background effort on your videos. As far as Part 2, BRING IT.
Thanks so much for the premiere! If you'd like some thinking material from me, based on my comments in the live chat, point me to your contact details.
This was amazing ❤I feel the same way as Robert about my interest in alternative ideas have led to strengthening of my critical thinking and human behaviour,you guys are fantastic 😍
Y'all need to read Robert Temple's book on the Sphinx: talk about amazing! He and his wife Olivia gathered up all the traveler reports going back to, I think it was, 1563? (!!) You know folks would go on 'The Grand Tour' and then write an article or send letters of what they saw and did. And explorers, 'news' reporters, and later archeologists, would investigate and publish what they'd found. Robert translated the ones in German, Olivia, the French ones, and they had to hire a translator for the Dutch one. And the PICTURES! My God! Glass plates, drawings, surveys, and very early photos... SO much detail, so much stuff we never knew! I am intentionally AVOIDING opening Appendix Two until I hit it naturally -- the book is SO filled with wonders: Appendix Two IS THE TRANSLATED reports! He even startled an "oh my GOD!" out of me on one page: ever notice the "rain-caused water damage" on the 'pit' walls? The ones Hancock and Schoch and others attribute to a age back into the mists (literal rainy mists) when it rained for decades?? Temple disagrees -- and provides ample evidence that the Sphinx was in a MOAT -- it was an island as it's described as and referred to through many decades. A moat being blocked up by sand has to be DREDGED to remove the Nile- and wind-delivered sand OUT of the moat. The water/sand mix was dumped out of the pit -- and the water would POUR back into the moat.... cutting WATER CHANNELS down the side walls -- but NOT in/on the Sphinx itself! The 'water lines' ON the Sphinx are horizontal -- like shorelines; NOT down cuts like from rain! FANTASTIC FANTSTIC book!!
Three of you are very decent, and that's something I appreciate, but overall, the interview was disappointing to me for several reasons: - There was too much of "No one has ever mentioned that before." It's unrealistic to expect every detail to be previously mentioned, as there are countless aspects of history left unexplored. For example, why didn't Dr. Schneiker mention the inventory Stela, which suggests repairs to the Sphinx by the 4th dynasty? The historical and hieroglyphic context seemed to be entirely ignored in this video. (Why no one has mentioned it :D) - Schneiker questioned : why Shoch hadn't justified why the 4th dynasty didn't carve the Sphinx enclosure. Okay, I am asking "why they would have needed to do so" ? - Regarding seismic measurements, Shnicker cited a depth of 25 meters, but Shoch's book, "Origin of the Sphinx," on page 74, suggests the ground floor is at 20 meters, with a depth of no more than 4 meters. Moreover, seismic activities were terminated by the authorities, so it would be beneficial to see Lehner and Schneiker conduct new measurements with easier approvals. Rob failed to address the issue of vertical erosion in the Sphinx enclosure and why it still exists. - Dr. Schneiker main response seemed to be that the erosion is not erosion but rather water wicking. However, aside from this explanation, there was a lack of substantial information or responses to various points raised, such as the Sphinx's small head, the inventory Stela, the wall enclosure marks, the erosion under the Sphinx, and the erosion in the temple wall. In the future, it would be beneficial to pose more challenging questions to guests. Thank you."
Thank you for your critique, you raise some valid points and we will do our best to keep improving in our interviewing. Thanks for watching and chiming in!
Extending the sphinxes body to avoid the fissure running across the rump doesn't make sense. The masters of carving stone, as hard as granite in some cases, and masters of proportion could easily fill the void with mortar and use blocks to shape the rear end or cut off the back end completely and replace it with multi ton blocks.
With the fissure compromising the body’s shape, I don’t think they had enough material to make the rear paws part of the same “megalith,” so they had to extend it. Of course they could use blocks to build sections of the body or paws, but they clearly wanted to make a huge statue made of one connected stone.
@@axax7668 On the other hand, the Sphinx was their first megalithic sculpture. If they would make a mistake, it wouldn't be a surprise they made it during their first project.
@@MrAchile13 Sculptors incompetence, that's a good one 😂. If the fissure was visible when it was carved it would have been filled with mortar, it was filled in the 1920s with concrete so cannot be examined. Lions do not have flat backs with pin heads so the theory, by archeaologists such as Borchart, was it was the head was recarved likely in the 12th dynasty. The recarving was based on stylistic grounds, eye stripes not used in the 4th dynasty and the pattern on the memes headdress which matches 12th dynasty patterns. There are sphinx statues in the Louvre from the 12th dynasty of Amenemhat2 that resemble the great sphinxes face. I find it hilarious that a clad carving, smeared with cement and filled in concrete reveals much about its erosion history. Only the enclosure walls can supply the answers.
There is a picture taken in 1925 that shows the fully exposed left rear paw and it is almost pristine. The original carving in the bedrock is easily visible. It is now covered by 2or 3 layers of bricks Just something to consider.
The idea that the Nile Valley was uninhabitable is ridiculous. There is no evidence of megaflooding. Higher water flows are recorded but this would not cause abrupt large scale depopulation of the valley at 14 ka - 5.5 ka (Vanneer Vermeersch 2015). The Valley was not repopulated until thousands of years after the Saharan wet period ended. The reason for the depopulation was heavy metal contamination of the river water (MEDIBA Core samples (1993?)).
@Ancient Presence I appreciate your guiding Robert to have to back-pedal his bad attitude. This will continue to be a problem for him based on his physical behaviour and language change when he realized what you were doing. As you move forward this is going to be a continuing struggle -- please keep doing this. It is the only way to get people from different views to come together and learn from one another. Thank you both for your efforts.
In order for us to progress the conversation between two opposing sides, I think we must meet each other with respect, compassion and dignity or else there will be more polarization, ad hominem attacks and misunderstandings. I envision healthy communication between people with opposing views leading to a positive learning experience for everyone and perhaps helping us all get one step closer to the truth. I might be too optimistic for the reality of the world we live in, but I’ll keep trying 🤗 Thanks for your nice comment.
@@Eyes_Open It is true until someone presents evidence to the contrary. Software was used to analyze the position of the stars, considering the time and the precession of the equinoxes.
Who can publish a work considered heresy in academia? The academic world often stops being about science when it forgets the scientific method and behaves like religion. It is a sophistry that there must be a paper for the hypothesis to be valid. I don't care about convincing you, or anyone else, I just care about knowing the truth.Note that the fact that the scientist in the video presents a model in which he believes that erosion may have occurred more recently on the Sphinx does not eliminate the possibility that the Sphinx is older and suffered erosion at the end of the ice age. Egyptologist Manu Seyfzadeh presented in the book “Under the Sphinx” scientific evidence that the sphinx was already mentioned in primitive hieroglyphics, long before Pharaoh Khufu.
@@marcuso.424 So no scientific paper? Just a book that maybe says that a scientific method was used? I have encountered Manu in comment sections. He is very dogmatic in his view of archaeology and who he thinks is, and is not, correct.
@@AncientPresence Randal Carlson has put a lot of work and effort showing there was major flooding in the scab lands. That's warning sign one. Do you have the slightest clue how long a million years is? You seriously can't expect anyone to but that, one you can't prove that length of time the salt or water table was any where near the same level. That's just from the begging. To be honest I was disgusted enough to not watch the whole thing. Don't really feel the need to either. Anyone pushing stuff like that is the same old quackademic that honestly doesn't deserve the time of day. Yes I know that's pretty harsh but it's no harsher then what he is trying to do. He is just trying to push back and actual scientific findings to maintain the status. Just not good for academics
I think you’re confusing the scablands with the Sphinx. The water table discussion is regarding the Giza limestone, not the Scablands. In part 2, we dive deep into Randall’s views on the Scablands. This part 1 video was mostly focused on the Sphinx.
@@vikingskuld You cite Carlson as an authority and confuse the topic which was discussed in the podcast, didn't even watch the podcast and declare yourself disgusted... Are you serious? I know this sound harsh, but your comment is utter quackery.
@@AncientPresence sorry I do understand the confusion but no I'm not confused. I have looked into the Scablands in the past and it's been a while. If I recall correctly Randal isn't the only one that has provided plenty of information of flooding there. There was another guy who proved it decades before who was pretty much treated like total crap. Then decades later it was shown yes there was so much proof that they gave the guy credit for it. So I have be extremely skeptical of anything a man says that is trying to disprove flooding there. It sounds to me like he has an agenda and is pushing that over facts. There is a push to show the world had massive flooding all over at one point and I would guess this is just a push to try and disprove that. There is a video you can watch that's called experiments in stratification. It explains bent Rock layers and so much more then most other excuses can.
I am glad you will mention the combined paper with Dr Miano. I had forgotten about that.
Yes Bob talks about it in the podcast. Sounds like a mammoth undertaking which still needs more time before he is ready to publish it. I think you’re going to enjoy this conversation 👍 it’s right up your alley 😁
The best videos you've done is when you brought up the devices and descriptions about the serappeum to been v kerk and he had no idea about the discoveries from years ago that blew up his entire portrayal of Egypt
been v kerk?
You mean UneducatedX? 🤣
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Yes that was when I was still a Ben fan and thought it was very weird how he scurried out of the interview the moment they said they had read and translated the documents.
Glad I left that cult before I spent any money on them.
It’s just crazy to me he is accepting money to tour people through places he’s never done even a Wikipedia search on. Brien Foerster was even worse, touring people through places he didn’t even bother to know the names of!
@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 Chumlee Dundee
@@raina4732good job recognizing the grift.
@@raina4732 Snake Bros are also in the same boat as UnShartedX regarding the Serapeum. They went way overboard and still have not admitted it, so not Snakey.
Something the alternative community never connects the dots is exactly what Robert said. During the African humid period, when the rain erosion allegedly happened, the Nile was MASSIVE. No way anything would've withstood the force of that river.
Holy Schnikes. Not everyone is completely wrong neither. Erosion and weathering are natural forces at work and are definitely contributing factors. Mechanical processes as part of preservation efforts, of which there have been many (prior to and since 1817) have contributed to these major features in face of what many are promoting as solely natural affects. Relative sizes and proportions are necessary structural compromises when carving inSitu. Yes, we can carve very soft and otherwise "impossible" stone material with 'densification' technologies. Similar technologies we use to impregnate rot in wooden ships or grow new crystalline grain structure in concrete and porous stone. Great work guys, you two are amongst a very small group of credible research journalists. Don't forget about us lowly stone masons.
Hello. Great video. Commenting a while after I watched this. Much appreciated.
Cool thanks Alan. We had a great time speaking with Robert. It would just be awesome if long-form podcast videos would get more views on our channel. We’d love to catch up with you again at some point. Hope all is well 😊
@@AncientPresence Cheers. All is well, Been living IRL gardening and renovating the house. That bastard SGD let it all go to rot leaving me with all the work of getting things right again.
He's banging at the door though with bags of rocks and copper tubes. I won't be able to keep him at bay much longer.
I think the idea of critiquing your old vids is a great idea!not just to show that their wrong but to show the process were you challenged your previous ideas😊
I saw Rob on Thersites the Historian and Dr Miano, love hearing more of him!!!! There is actually a large unmolested deposit of limestone nearby the Sphinx that looks very similar, but its far enough out of the way that nobody really looks at it.
Great discussion and points from each of you. As far as an example of detecting presence of human activity, ancient metalurgy in South America can be detected in both ice cores and lake sediment cores. Cool to hear about the background effort on your videos. As far as Part 2, BRING IT.
Thank you so much for your continued support!
Thanks so much for the premiere! If you'd like some thinking material from me, based on my comments in the live chat, point me to your contact details.
This was amazing ❤I feel the same way as Robert about my interest in alternative ideas have led to strengthening of my critical thinking and human behaviour,you guys are fantastic 😍
Y'all need to read Robert Temple's book on the Sphinx: talk about amazing! He and his wife Olivia gathered up all the traveler reports going back to, I think it was, 1563? (!!) You know folks would go on 'The Grand Tour' and then write an article or send letters of what they saw and did. And explorers, 'news' reporters, and later archeologists, would investigate and publish what they'd found. Robert translated the ones in German, Olivia, the French ones, and they had to hire a translator for the Dutch one. And the PICTURES! My God! Glass plates, drawings, surveys, and very early photos... SO much detail, so much stuff we never knew!
I am intentionally AVOIDING opening Appendix Two until I hit it naturally -- the book is SO filled with wonders: Appendix Two IS THE TRANSLATED reports! He even startled an "oh my GOD!" out of me on one page: ever notice the "rain-caused water damage" on the 'pit' walls? The ones Hancock and Schoch and others attribute to a age back into the mists (literal rainy mists) when it rained for decades?? Temple disagrees -- and provides ample evidence that the Sphinx was in a MOAT -- it was an island as it's described as and referred to through many decades. A moat being blocked up by sand has to be DREDGED to remove the Nile- and wind-delivered sand OUT of the moat. The water/sand mix was dumped out of the pit -- and the water would POUR back into the moat.... cutting WATER CHANNELS down the side walls -- but NOT in/on the Sphinx itself! The 'water lines' ON the Sphinx are horizontal -- like shorelines; NOT down cuts like from rain!
FANTASTIC FANTSTIC book!!
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Is that image of the Sphinx and Schlock's Fantasy Llama to the same scale?
Good Grief!
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I was just checking your vids and this is the first you've done for about 9 months?
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Yeah we’ve been on a little hiatus. Good to be back 😊
Three of you are very decent, and that's something I appreciate, but overall, the interview was disappointing to me for several reasons:
- There was too much of "No one has ever mentioned that before." It's unrealistic to expect every detail to be previously mentioned, as there are countless aspects of history left unexplored. For example, why didn't Dr. Schneiker mention the inventory Stela, which suggests repairs to the Sphinx by the 4th dynasty? The historical and hieroglyphic context seemed to be entirely ignored in this video. (Why no one has mentioned it :D)
- Schneiker questioned : why Shoch hadn't justified why the 4th dynasty didn't carve the Sphinx enclosure. Okay, I am asking "why they would have needed to do so" ?
- Regarding seismic measurements, Shnicker cited a depth of 25 meters, but Shoch's book, "Origin of the Sphinx," on page 74, suggests the ground floor is at 20 meters, with a depth of no more than 4 meters. Moreover, seismic activities were terminated by the authorities, so it would be beneficial to see Lehner and Schneiker conduct new measurements with easier approvals.
Rob failed to address the issue of vertical erosion in the Sphinx enclosure and why it still exists.
- Dr. Schneiker main response seemed to be that the erosion is not erosion but rather water wicking. However, aside from this explanation, there was a lack of substantial information or responses to various points raised, such as the Sphinx's small head, the inventory Stela, the wall enclosure marks, the erosion under the Sphinx, and the erosion in the temple wall.
In the future, it would be beneficial to pose more challenging questions to guests. Thank you."
Thank you for your critique, you raise some valid points and we will do our best to keep improving in our interviewing. Thanks for watching and chiming in!
Good guest, good show.😊
Seriously, it faces fast food outlets? 😂
Yes, sadly there is a kfc right outside the Sphinx entrance 🤦♂️
@@AncientPresence Like Cusco Town Square, it had KFC that seemed out of place but it wasn’t ‘in your face’. They did well to disguise it.
It was perfectly aligned with KFC 12k years ago.
@@Leeside999 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤡
Extending the sphinxes body to avoid the fissure running across the rump doesn't make sense. The masters of carving stone, as hard as granite in some cases, and masters of proportion could easily fill the void with mortar and use blocks to shape the rear end or cut off the back end completely and replace it with multi ton blocks.
With the fissure compromising the body’s shape, I don’t think they had enough material to make the rear paws part of the same “megalith,” so they had to extend it. Of course they could use blocks to build sections of the body or paws, but they clearly wanted to make a huge statue made of one connected stone.
@@AncientPresence mmm..No there is evidence that the sphinx was clad in old kingdom times. Source is complete pyramids by Mark Lehner.
@@axax7668 On the other hand, the Sphinx was their first megalithic sculpture. If they would make a mistake, it wouldn't be a surprise they made it during their first project.
@@MrAchile13 Sculptors incompetence, that's a good one 😂. If the fissure was visible when it was carved it would have been filled with mortar, it was filled in the 1920s with concrete so cannot be examined. Lions do not have flat backs with pin heads so the theory, by archeaologists such as Borchart, was it was the head was recarved likely in the 12th dynasty. The recarving was based on stylistic grounds, eye stripes not used in the 4th dynasty and the pattern on the memes headdress which matches 12th dynasty patterns. There are sphinx statues in the Louvre from the 12th dynasty of Amenemhat2 that resemble the great sphinxes face. I find it hilarious that a clad carving, smeared with cement and filled in concrete reveals much about its erosion history. Only the enclosure walls can supply the answers.
There is a picture taken in 1925 that shows the fully exposed left rear paw and it is almost pristine. The original carving in the bedrock is easily visible. It is now covered by 2or 3 layers of bricks Just something to consider.
So... ancient limestone concrete semi eroded by salt/river water??
The idea that the Nile Valley was uninhabitable is ridiculous. There is no evidence of megaflooding. Higher water flows are recorded but this would not cause abrupt large scale depopulation of the valley at 14 ka - 5.5 ka (Vanneer Vermeersch 2015). The Valley was not repopulated until thousands of years after the Saharan wet period ended. The reason for the depopulation was heavy metal contamination of the river water (MEDIBA Core samples (1993?)).
I've seen this guy before. One of the very few that does not talk absolute utter codswallop about the Sphinx.
When does it start?
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Lol it starts in about 3 & 1/2 hours 🤙
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Excellent, it's in my playlist for then!
Cheers!
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Looking forward to this one.
@Ancient Presence I appreciate your guiding Robert to have to back-pedal his bad attitude. This will continue to be a problem for him based on his physical behaviour and language change when he realized what you were doing. As you move forward this is going to be a continuing struggle -- please keep doing this. It is the only way to get people from different views to come together and learn from one another. Thank you both for your efforts.
In order for us to progress the conversation between two opposing sides, I think we must meet each other with respect, compassion and dignity or else there will be more polarization, ad hominem attacks and misunderstandings. I envision healthy communication between people with opposing views leading to a positive learning experience for everyone and perhaps helping us all get one step closer to the truth. I might be too optimistic for the reality of the world we live in, but I’ll keep trying 🤗 Thanks for your nice comment.
But… the alignment of three stars of Orion and the Sphinx with the constellation Leo at 12,500 years old, he does not explain.
You are starting with the assumption that the alignment idea is valid.
@@Eyes_Open It is true until someone presents evidence to the contrary. Software was used to analyze the position of the stars, considering the time and the precession of the equinoxes.
@@marcuso.424 Can you tell me the name of the scientific article and where to find it?
Who can publish a work considered heresy in academia? The academic world often stops being about science when it forgets the scientific method and behaves like religion. It is a sophistry that there must be a paper for the hypothesis to be valid. I don't care about convincing you, or anyone else, I just care about knowing the truth.Note that the fact that the scientist in the video presents a model in which he believes that erosion may have occurred more recently on the Sphinx does not eliminate the possibility that the Sphinx is older and suffered erosion at the end of the ice age. Egyptologist Manu Seyfzadeh presented in the book “Under the Sphinx” scientific evidence that the sphinx was already mentioned in primitive hieroglyphics, long before Pharaoh Khufu.
@@marcuso.424 So no scientific paper? Just a book that maybe says that a scientific method was used? I have encountered Manu in comment sections. He is very dogmatic in his view of archaeology and who he thinks is, and is not, correct.
Every geologists has their own theory as do archeologists. It's like they all try to out theorize each other.
Atlantis was sunk in the Atlantic near Azores.
womp womp
That's like saying Wakanda has disappeared beneath the central African jungles.
Sounds like a total load of crap to me.
Which part of it? How do you explain the major fissure of it wasn’t weathered by the water table over millions of years?
@@AncientPresence Randal Carlson has put a lot of work and effort showing there was major flooding in the scab lands. That's warning sign one. Do you have the slightest clue how long a million years is? You seriously can't expect anyone to but that, one you can't prove that length of time the salt or water table was any where near the same level. That's just from the begging. To be honest I was disgusted enough to not watch the whole thing. Don't really feel the need to either. Anyone pushing stuff like that is the same old quackademic that honestly doesn't deserve the time of day. Yes I know that's pretty harsh but it's no harsher then what he is trying to do. He is just trying to push back and actual scientific findings to maintain the status. Just not good for academics
I think you’re confusing the scablands with the Sphinx. The water table discussion is regarding the Giza limestone, not the Scablands. In part 2, we dive deep into Randall’s views on the Scablands. This part 1 video was mostly focused on the Sphinx.
@@vikingskuld You cite Carlson as an authority and confuse the topic which was discussed in the podcast, didn't even watch the podcast and declare yourself disgusted... Are you serious? I know this sound harsh, but your comment is utter quackery.
@@AncientPresence sorry I do understand the confusion but no I'm not confused. I have looked into the Scablands in the past and it's been a while. If I recall correctly Randal isn't the only one that has provided plenty of information of flooding there. There was another guy who proved it decades before who was pretty much treated like total crap. Then decades later it was shown yes there was so much proof that they gave the guy credit for it. So I have be extremely skeptical of anything a man says that is trying to disprove flooding there. It sounds to me like he has an agenda and is pushing that over facts. There is a push to show the world had massive flooding all over at one point and I would guess this is just a push to try and disprove that. There is a video you can watch that's called experiments in stratification. It explains bent Rock layers and so much more then most other excuses can.