It is so good to have an open minded conversation and exchange ideas. These who make mistakes, learn new things. Even prominent figures could not accept idea of civilisations older than ancient Egypt and yet we got ourselves Gobekli Tepe :)
Oh god the strawman civilization/gobleki tepe again. Civilization is defined as: An advanced state of intellectual, cultural, and material development in human society, marked by progress in the arts and sciences, the extensive use of record-keeping, including writing, and the appearance of complex political and social institutions. The oldest is still sumeria. But you strawman it in to 'they build buildings so it's rewriting the history of civilization' What you refer to is known as a CULTURE in history/archeology
I don't mean to scoff - but Ben's reaction at the end 1.24 :00 onwards is classic. We really need MORE podcasts like this. I'm really fed up with all these self-appointed "ancient history experts" and their UA-cam channels (...and expensive tours ) propagating theories that are not properly researched. They become almost Cultish in fervour. I believe they may start out with sincere intentions - but many of these channels end up spreading mis-information. On a positive note, I hope they engage and encourage new people (like myself...) to research both sides of a theory themselves. If you are truly open-minded you'll follow the scientific evidence and change your opinions as and when new evidence presents itself. ( Big thanks to your Channel and World of Antiquity channel)
@@MrAchile13 He can't handle a debate, not even a debate when you debate someone from his fan base. He have to interrupt, dismiss your provided facts as garbage, and then if you keep debating the fans, he delete your comments and finally block you. See if you can find where my comments are missing.
This is the unfortunate case when you become entrenched into your own ideology, you develop a following and it all becomes tethered to your identity. Sad because I love Ben and I really do think it he raises important questions and ideas about our past but this part of the interview really made me question if he has the humility to find the truth even if it means he is wrong about some things.
I read the passage in question myself and it leaves a lot to be desired. He makes a passing mention to the wood he found, doesn't describe or sketch it, no measurements, nothing at all. Other than ascribing a definitive use to it, that is. Unless it is dug up in some storage - if it even survived -, his account does not bear much proof one way or the other.
@@N.Eismann Yes, in and of itself. But if you add all the other archaeological and archival evidence provided by Mariette and other scholars it does provide a good death by a thousand cuts counter to the notion that the Serapeum is one big unexplainable mystery. Evidence of winches, evidence of rollers, proof of how the sarcophagi were lowered into their niches, etc. adds up pretty quickly.
Serapeum is Ben's favorite site, yet he didn't even read Mariette's report or even the wiki page. Shows how thorough the research of alternative theorists is.
In the interest of fairness, not all alternative theorists should be lumped into the same vein. There are those alternatives theorists who are content on being echo chambers and blindly repeating what they have been told by the other alternative theorists before them (without actually taking a more scholarly approach to verify the information being perpetuated). On the other hand there are also alternative theorists who carefully and meticulously research primary academic sources but whom also find issues in the academic literature, hence, formulate their alternative theories. However, I do see it as a major problem where some of the loudest speakers have done the least work. While alternatives may have a role to play in the grand scheme of things, personally, I find more value in actually reading academic literature, then I do from just about 90% of the alternative space. Also, I would have liked to have heard more of a response from Ben rather than , “I need to wrap this up”. Excellent podcast.
@Max That’s hilarious, it says it right there on Wikipedia. I never noticed that, maybe I never read that far down on the page before. I tend not to use Wikipedia too heavily and try to get to the original source documents instead. To be fair, Mariette’s book was never translated into English in any widespread version, at least not that we have found anywhere, so not many people have read his report. It was an arduous process for me to translate it lol. @Anyextee Well said brother, thanks for your input on the matter. It’s true that the loudest voices often do the least research. And yes we hope to speak more with Ben about Mariette’s writings, he didn’t seem ready to expand on the topic right then. It’s an endlessly fascinating realm of research and those 150 year old books on the original archeological digs are extremely valuable resources. It would be great to do a podcast with you at some point as well if you’re interested? Thanks for watching guys 😃
@@Anyextee well presented comments. I consider myself mostly in-line with the standard story but I leave room for other balanced views like yours. Which is why i am subbed on your channel.
The part at the end explaining exactly how they lowered the box into the chamber is amazing. It’s a good example of how Dunn is so convinced of how something would have been impossible, but there’s always a very simple explanation if you look hard enough. He’s not really interested in the truth though if it contradicts his lost ancient advanced technology narrative.
He said those rooms were manipulated, by tile and lighting. I don't trust these two. They seem to be finishing for answers. Also, they tried to establish a narrative that he was a tour guide, and taking any job he can get. These districts are on a couch. Yeah. It took a weird turn.
1:24:10 "You can't fit the people in there.. ..We did the numbers.. say 50 ton box.. somebody moves uh 200 kilograms, its like 250 people you require, you cannot fit that number and that's pulling 200 kilograms.." Well, who says one person only can pull 200 kilograms, ON ROLLERS? On a hard limestone bedrock floor? A ten year old could do that. At least a 200kg barbell on a concrete floor with rubber mat. I know I have no trouble pulling or pushing my own 2 ton (2000 kilograms) car on tarmac, and I weigh 70 kg. Last time I checked the world record of a strongman is to pull a 288 tons (288000 kilograms) train by himself. But to be clear, I'm not saying that the ancient Egyptians was as strong as a stongman world record holder. I'm saying that Bens (or who ever "we" are) numbers are ridiculous.
There are no rollers under the boxes that have been left in the tunnels without making it to the enclosures Nit even the slightest evidence of any wood or anything underneath
@@zm5668 As they say in the video Auguste Mariette found evidence of wooden rollers and two sicamore winches with eight levers on them. Try at least to watch the video before you comment
ZM, watch our Serapeum series, especially part 2, as we discuss the evidence found that proves how the boxes were transported. Mariette found traces of wooden rollers, double rails and wooden winches in the tunnels and chambers… and he even lowered a box into a chamber by removing the sand underneath it. You are absolutely incorrect when you said that not the slightest evidence of wood was found… where did you hear that? When you speak so authoritatively, you must’ve done quite a lot of research into this sight huh? Read the original archeological accounts that discuss what was found in the Serapeum? Read any some scholarly papers written about this site? Read anything at all…? Apparently not, as wood was 100% found in the Serapeum that proves how the boxes were transported. Why are you speaking with such conviction on a subject you haven’t properly researched??? This is Dunning-Kruger personified. If you want a thorough study of the Serapeum, and if you want to find real answers to these kinds of questions… not just confirmation bias… then please watch this entire series. We poured an immense level of research into these videos and covered every aspect of this site as best as we could fit into just under 2 hours. I hope you enjoy and then comment on those videos with your thoughts. Cheers 🙏 ua-cam.com/play/PLuROoe7EZ3dDuXJE6kcjc0Q9M068T5Pms.html
Good job guys. I wish you success in trying to allow people to meet in the middle and discuss issues. But I am worried you will scare off those who remain entrenched in grandiose alternative claims and they won't want to publicly be interviewed by you guys since you obviously won't be overawed by non-evidence. KUDOS on finding and translating the French document.
Thanks for the nice comment. Our intention is to embrace a wide variety of people with differing opinions and explore these topics together respectfully, rather than perpetuating the "us vs. them" mentality. Hopefully, we can all humbly admit when we're wrong and these kinds of podcasts will help us all progress towards a better understanding of history.
Brilliant! Uncle Ben’s a Carpenter and may be a very good one. I always tell his followers (mates) that they need to watch it muted to truly see as they lead you up the garden path!
Two years later Ben of UnShartedX and unfortunately the Snake Brothers are still selling tours and spewing the same Serapeum LAHT cow poop. Really disappointed in the Snake Bros for not living up to their ouroboros logo and diving down the self-correcting rabbit hole of Marriette and the Serapeum.
Ben mentions 2 possible scenarios, that Dynastic Egypt was much more advanced than we thought, or these megaliths were inherited by an older more advanced civilization. There's also a third scenario though, that the building might have been done by Dynastic Egyptians, but they weren't advanced enough on their own, and they received direction and assistance from survivors of an older more advanced civilization.
mo the technologies involved to extract shape and transport huge granite volume is way over our current capacities , the precision is another aspect we cannot reproduce today , the aliens had done all of the work by themselves some 18,000 years ago way before any stone age people emerged from antiquity
@@al2207 It is over our current capacities to do that work efficiently enough to justify doing it only for the creation of a monument, (if that was all it was), but we can do it today if we wanted. But our methods of doing that require massive resources, monster scale custom machinery like the biggest CnC machines ever made by orders of magnitude, etc. Its possible, but the resources necessary to make proof of concept machines that 'could' do it, could not come close to being justified, unless the efforts to make a Great Pyramid paid off by it being able to produce enormous value for the human race in some way. But even though it is 'possible' to do it, and we went to the enormous process of pooling resources from all countries around the world, etc. our version of it would actually be far more precise in appearance, which is why logically, to go to extremes of computer controlled precision to control shape down to fractions of a mm, there is zero chance we'd wind up with such orgainic looking shapes that appear almost 'melted' in aesthetic. So in my opinion, the way they did this work is most definately not the way we would do it, and I'd hazzard to guess their methods would make this work far easier to accomplish, given the haphazard results of form they produced.
Finally (due to Covid knocking me down) had a chance to read the translated document. Long read but amazing level of details. Thanks so much for the link.
Yeah reading that book is quite an incredible journey to learn what Mariette experienced while excavating the Serapeum. We’re happy you took the time to read it! 🙏
@@AncientPresence I'm glad you guys have it up and going now. I agree with Ben about the video you did of the Scablands. Any time I want to explain to someone what the Scablands are, I use that video. So well done.
Aye, and the network grows!! Thatvwill be a great podcast. I'd like to meet Robert Schoch one day. He seems like a healthy balance of intelligence and decency. Like Randall. I'll probably go back in September.
Wouldn’t the scoop marks act like a gold cradle and prevent the sand and water from flowing so easily? Good set of steps also. Could flooding have carved out the underside of that rock which was sedimentary? Why is there an evolution of pyramids over a few thousand years? Early on some they had very agricultural efforts up until Giza. Years of planning and improvement in expertise and methods explain 95%.
This video never gets old in terms of the cringe factor of someone claiming that the Serapeum is unexplained while being ignorant of everything written about it. My understanding is that Ben has claimed that the lowering of the sarcophagus as discussed by Mariette is fabricated. Something to do with a niche in the floor of its chamber that precludes the method claimed by Mariette. Do you have any comments or insights on this?
Yeah, he's claiming that they fit into sockets that would have been impossible to guide into had it been lowered in the manner Mariette describes. Problem is, the "sockets", where they exist, were added after the fact. They built a tiled floor around the base of the box. Funnily enough, in older serapeum videos UnchartedX even talks about how the tiled floors were built around the base of the box. The other problem for UnchartedX's claim is that many of the boxes are just sitting on the bare bedrock floor without any added tiled floor around them. I was there myself in July of last year and can confirm this with some of my own pictures.
@@Leeside999Thnx. You can generally tell when he is lying because his lips are moving. But the added confirmation helps. I would assume that if you point that out they will just double down on the notion that some poorly engraved hieroglyphs on a sarcophagus is somehow probative evidence that the granite sarcophagi are 10k years old. Or however the idiots are trying to spin it this week.
@@jackrifleman562 Yes, while ignoring the good quality hieroglyphs on a different box that describes how it was to house an apis bull. The video in question is from the 'matt beall limitless' channel. It's the #1 video and @ 1:30:15. You can see the tells in UnchartedX's body language that he's talking through his ass. lol Watching it again he does actually say that they built the floor around them but the sockets are underneath the floor. Not sure how he knows they exist under the floor if we can't see under the floor.
@@Leeside999 I suspect that is why they are really pushing the "perfect" stone vase angle now. Nothing they have pushed has gained any traction beyond the support of the type of folks who have already bought into their con. And I think some of their nonsense has worn thin even in that crowd. In-house "research" on small unprovenanced items is their Hail Mary pass at this point.
10:07 they could have had a bearing support on the shaft and just used a crank set in the center of the box. Winde it one way until the rope is used up, then reverse the crank. Back and forth. Over and over.
Great discussion. Regarding the UA-cam videos of people trying to recreate the signature examples of ancient engineering...I agree with Ben, nobody has recreated any of the huge artifacts. I've seen bowls being made but they take months, examined closely do not match the precision of the originals and the hollowing out is never replicated to the precise thorough hollowing of the original. Saw cuts and drill holes look similar but take many hours and are done on a small scale, in some cases I've seen actually utilise modern strapping and chisels. None of this addresses the overcut saw cuts or the overarching scope of the megalithic constructions. Also the question "where are the tools?", unless it's rock or bone it's been swallowed by time. You only create so many huge, precision constructions if you've advanced your knowledge to the point where it's relatively easy. So the UA-cam reconstruction of techniques are valuable but only convince me they are not showing me the way the artifacts were really constructed.
Thanks for sharing. We've seen many demonstrations on youtube channels like Scientists Against Myths, Sacred Geometry Decoded and Mike Haduck, and their results are solid. If you can do these cuts on a small scale, you can do them on a large scale. In order to reproduce a full sarcophagus, it would be incredibly expensive, but if if all the same cuts required are demonstrated on a smaller scale, then those experiments can be extrapolated to prove how to larger artifacts were made.
@@AncientPresence I understand the point but my personal belief is the precision and the large scale constructions are done by people whose capabilities and tools have advanced to the point where those things are relatively easy. Viewing the videos you mention have only shown ME likenesses but fail to convince. In the end we all form our own views on what we see and are presented with but none of us can actually know (until we find the manuals, textbooks, saws, tube drills even hieroglyphs!)
@@iang1 You have given a fair response since you have looked at both sides of the debate. I am personally convinced in the other direction. In defence of my view, I wonder what is implied by the term PRECISE. I think it can verbally mean a little different to different people. I don't just mean your use of the word, I hear it across many forums. When we use mathematical values with tolerance values, I see imprecision in artifacts that are claimed to be amazingly precise. In some cases, machines today simply could not reproduce exactly what we find in Egypt because high precision tools can't reproduce the imprecision found in the artifacts. Since I believe in hand worked stone, I am still amazed at the quality. Cheers.
@@Eyes_Open first of all many thanks for your civilised reply, the default response by a large number of UA-cam commenters with an opposing view is usually one of hostile sarcasm which I never understand and rarely respond to. So the tone of your comment is refreshing. I agree the word 'precise' is used probably inappropriately to describe objects people haven't personally measured and handled. However, I think it's used to distinguish between the groups of Egyptian objects seen in the museums with visually differing qualities IE those having a distinct 'look of precision' compared to those that don't. But, I agree, it's not a literally correct use of the word. Thanks for your comment and it's good two people with opposite views can be civil! 🍻
Consider that the UA-cam experiments are being done by people who are otherwise not stone cutters and in a few hours time having never done it before. Then consider that in ancient Egypt, you’d likely be trained for many years and spend a lifetime doing these trades which themselves were perfected over several generations. It’s no wonder they don’t look the same, but some are actually really close and the fact it’s possible at all with primitive methods (along with all the other data showing a dynastic origin) we really don’t need to try to come up with explanations that are really not. “Idk who did it or how but it couldn’t possibly be the Egyptians who said they did it”
Sometimes I think the Dynastic Egyptians found the Hall of Records and located instructions to build the pyramids that would explain the layout at 10500 and the shaft pointing at Orion 2530 BC when it was constructed.
the Petrie core is not spiral. it's been photographed in hi definition it's not a consistent groove. a regular core drill that we know they used results in the same exact groove style.
We discuss that in episode #2, coming soon. This video talks all about it. Didn’t have time to get into it in this podcast though. ua-cam.com/video/HQi4yql7Ysg/v-deo.html
@@AncientPresence cool. I'm of the same mind as it sounds you guys are. I used to buy the ancient 'high' tech stuff, but the more resaerch I've done reading first hand accounts and actual avidence and data that real researchers have done (with peer review and in depth analysis), rather than just people on youtube spouting off the top of their heads, the more clear it is that the techniques used were mundane - but just very clever. The Egyptians had an entire massive civilization they could put to work doing these things, and they were working for a monarch they thought was a god. You can see a similar shift of thought in Matt's Ancient Architects channel, where it used to be woo woo, but as he's actually read the research and direct data from hardcore researchers he's found that a lot of this stuff we actually HAVE discovered the means for accomplishing. It's just not as sexy sounding as aliens or ancient high tech machines and other ridiculous assertions like that.
@@AncientPresence hah that same Scientists Against Myths video was the one I was referencing. He actually got high res photos and analyzed them, and actually tested hypotheses.
@@neoclassic09 Yeah, we've been on a similar path of discovery, first really wanting the high tech stuff to be true and then realizing that it's less and less plausible the more we research this topic. Ancient people were very clever and it's amazing what can be accomplished using simple tools and simple methods. There are still many mysteries though, and we look forward to future research that will hopefully give us better answers... like real properly funded metrology studies of the "precision" artifacts in Egypt. We might just find out that it was all done with primitive tools. Although thats less sexy, it's important that we seek the truth, not the most fantastic explanations. Maybe Dunn simply projected a modern engineer's mentality onto ancient craftsmen, without understanding the full extent of their capabilities. Egyptologists definitely need to step up their game though, and address this issue head on, rather than mostly ignoring it. For one example, I would love to se them give an in-depth explanation as to how the Colossi of Memnon were transported so far. Wikipedia's 2 sentences on that enormous topic is not cutting it lol: "The statues are made from blocks of quartzite sandstone which was quarried at el-Gabal el-Ahmar (near modern-day Cairo) and transported 675 km (420 mi) overland to Thebes (Luxor). The stones are believed to be too heavy to have been transported upstream on the Nile."
@@AncientPresence a hundred thousand workers forced to do it. they had pullies, levers, lifting devices, sleds, etc. it just took a long time and a lot of people.
Professor Tim Darvill now admits or rather is open to the idea that Stonehenge may have have either been influenced by an Egyptian source or even built by someone from there. Check him out out.
I think it's important to note that any advanced technology that may have existed in the ancient past would have likely turned to dust by now - especially given what we understand about cataclysms and their destructive nature. Anything made of metal or glass would degrade to dust if left to the elements. If you left a car in the jungle - in less than a thousand years, it would be unrecognizable (other than a elemental anomaly on the ground). If you leave a building, it isn't long before people steal the copper pipes and wiring, and any screens or windows get broken by vandals. If ancient structures had anything like wiring, plumbing, or machinery - it would have likely been looted, recycled, locked away in vaults, or lost to time. Just a thought
Definitely good thoughts on the matter. It’s amazing that we’ve only found 1 of the machines known as the Antikythera Mechanism, when surely there once must have existed many of them. We have to wonder what other metal machines may have been lost..?
Theres writings and pictures. It would have been documented. And "it not existing anymore" is super convenient so you can make up whatever fantasies you choose to. It's impossible to disprove.
What about all the less durable hunter-gatherer artifacts that continue to show up from the exact same time period? how can all this advanced machinary just vaporize while leaving much more delicate artifacts undisturbed?
Small minds discuss people, average minds discuss events and great minds discuss ideas." If you believe in a globe earth, outer space travel, or virus transmission.... YOU ARE NOT AWAKE
The more i watch this, the more i can see how Ben's winging it and he's dated. You guys are clearly looking into things he hasn't touched on, i think we are at the point where his knowledge base, and ability to question his own ideology is getting in his way. Can see he's followed along with what he's found with Yousef, GH & the ancient High Tech crowd... but he's kinda outdated now and needs to grow in his beliefs in order to keep up with current fndings. Well done guys, i hope more people cotton onto yoru channel, i've found a lot of useful info from books written in the 70s and 80s - my local op shop (Australian for goodwill store) has given me so many great books for next to nothing!
So much so that Ben has another site so he is not found to be contradicting himself as now he is refining his dodgy narrative to get around our evidence.
to answer your question at 15.30 mark just think of several comet impacts onto the ice shelf , it will be more than enough to produce the heat needed , do not forget the quantity of heat depend only of mass and speed nothing else
@@AncientPresence Oh well, perhaps the next 'Montana' trip then. I met Ben, Brad & Randall briefly at Dry Falls last May; hopefully this tour I'll be able to hang-out with everyone.
You would think that someone who is genuinely "just looking for answers" would be pleased to finally hear those answers. He couldn't get out of there fast enough 😂
@@Leeside999 Do you want the document in English Ben? Na i’ll get the original French copy and get someone to translate it 😂. *I hate mocking people but my kids hear this stuff and because it’s so fantastical they trip out over nothing more remarkable than human kinds feats.
1:17:00 he says that the objects must be precisely measured and until then, the experiments have little value, which is a strange objection, since the experiments generate pure data. What's even stranger, is that in his videos, he repeatedly makes claims about "machine precision", even though he now admits we don't have the precise measurements of these objects.
@@AncientPresence 52:11 ironically they laser scanned entire pyramids (the Japanese did many scans, as I'm sure you know) but cant do a "tiny" (relatively) box
54:02 on this note I would like to mention praveen mohan on UA-cam who has amazing footage of many locations in india But the barabar caves are astoundingly unique and impressive
The pyramids in Egypt are SUPER ancient in my opinion… having been to Egypt 3 times I’ve actually seen them you can’t get that perfection from copper tools rollers and powders. They must be way more ancient than the so called “Ancient Egyptians” Brien Forester talks about these pre-civilizations ending 12,000 years ago… well that to me says they must of been around way before that. Maybe 50,000 years ago. In a time line that old yes they could of become more advanced then us. I think they made the block weightless and just pushed the damn things into place… like it was nothing for them to move these 50 to 200 ton stones.
@@rfn74 yep. I don't understand people like you. You know we went to the moon, and considering going to mars..... We know our Universe and even almost beyond.
They’ve been dated 3 different ways to the dynastic period. Carbon dating on organic matter in the mortar, wood from queens chamber shaft, bioluminescence. Four if you include Egyptian writings in context with building at Giza during Khufu’s reign.
you can make a completely flat surface on granite using primitive tools. it takes time but its doable. but how you make sharp interior square corners in granite such as at the serapeum - we dont know - unless they used machine tools .- which "of course" is not "possible".
not only that, but how did they core out the bulk of the material? a copper saw couldn't have done it, was it all tube drills? that must've taken decades.
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@@AncientPresence Sorry, forgot to mention while visiting Rome i went to the Vatican and the statue of St Peter’s foot has been rubbed down or eroded an inch or more by people touching it. Check it out sometime as i think it puts the Mohs Hardness idea to bed somewhat quickly.
Nice one. Ya unfortunately the Mohs is so misunderstood by the LAHT folks. It measures relative hardness and the ability for stones to scratch each others’ surfaces, not their ability to pound and smash each other. It’s best left mostly out of the conversation of ancient stone masonry lol.
Why do you care so much that we were sitting on a couch? 😆 and what, people are not supposed to challenge others with factual information? 🤦♂️ that’s not scientific at all
Are you guys going to place the French report of the Sarapeum account of moving one of the sarcophagus? I'll provide you the scholarly article that proves it takes at least a #8hardness cutting medium to leave striations on basalt. Sand is proven incapable of leaving striations in basalt w copper and arsenic tube drills of Dynastic Egypt. When you mention something is hard to explain, does that mean you have some evidence of how the given work was accomplished, or that there currently isn't an explanation in many cases?
The downloadable PDF of Auguste Mariette's book is in the description 👍 Yes, please send us the link to the article. The evidence that we've seen of striations in the granite tube drills comes from the experiments of UA-cam channels like Scientists Against Myths and Sacred Geometry Decoded. Watch this video where they reproduce a tube drill with much more precise "spiral" striations, compared to Petrie's core #7. It's fascinating work, although unfortunately condescending. ua-cam.com/video/HQi4yql7Ysg/v-deo.html
I know you show a lot of respect for Ben but jeese louise he’s way off track with his theories and is just a tourist like me. His crap gets views and i’m unsure why those followers aren’t here watching this discussion. I watch uncharted x with no audio because of smoke and mirrors.
@@AncientPresence I have been fascinated by sac geometry since around 2014 or so. Randall Carlson inspired me to make my first illustration which is called the four earthly elements. I appreciate the discussion. Subbed!!!
Awesome, yeah once the geometry get in your consciousness, you’re hooked for life huh. Thanks for the well wishing a for my arm, it’s slowly coming back to life. I got the splint off now, so I’m feelin free 👍
What about the book called evolution cruncher, tree ring dating, carbon dating , major problems, then when a dating system gets based on these coupled with a date given by solan of 9000 years from priests in egypt whose calender was lunar this should be discussed not just taken forfact without the facts i have mentioned coming into play. I have a copy of all resources if you would like them .
10:45 ...sea levels raised a couple hundred feet... Look at the chart, it was 200 feet in a 4 hundred year period. So two feet a year....hardly a deluge.
Sophisticated lost civilizations that weren't sophisticated enough to figure out that given the slow rate of sea level rise they could just move another couple miles inland and be high and dry for another couple hundred years. I guess?
When it comes to all the evidence left in Egypt, of all the work that was done, I would not even entertain the idea of primitive methods such as pounding stones. It looks absurd even demonstrating it, like mockery and denying reality and common sense. Anybody with functioning eyeballs should be able to make the assessment that these were made by something operating at high speeds and heat. To create high RPM, some form of energy is required expended by a source. The question is, what is that source?
Have you seen our Serapeum series? We debunk the need for lost technology thoroughly. Primitive methods are more than enough and those boxes are not as precise as people were led to believe they are anyways.
@@AncientPresence I mean no offense, but it seems you guys have never built anything, shaped, High polished, cut to specs. I watched your interview with that guy from UnchartedX and I could see that he was getting frustrated because anybody that has any craftsmanship or technical abilities experience whether, masonry, stone, steel, would know these things were not done by "primitive methods". In order to achieve a straight cut at all proportions or a cylindrical core cutting you need high speed. Go out and ride your bike super slow and see how straight you can go? The faster the movement balance and symetry are achieved. I dont know what your backgrounds are, but based on you guy's assesssment, you guys have not looked at the technicality. I know people like you guys actually, people that just look at things and get imprinted with the common belief. Some people are just more technical than others. Maybe its one of those things where some people are efficient at seeing things.
@@AncientPresence Also on that Mariette report you guys translated.... Anybody with any common sense would see what a bunch of bs it is. Lowering the Sarcopaghus with sand??? Really?? And that turnbuckle come_along wooden winch?? Smh, You guys need to look into shear strength and crush resistance. It almost sounds like you guys are running interferance for the academia narrative or something rather.
Wow quite the comments there bro. We both have plenty of construction experience, so you know. And you're just going to reject Mariette's first hand archeological report just because you say it's bs? You're ridiculous. Did you watch our 3 part Serapeum series? We discuss the crush strength of cedar, how heavy the boxes actually are (not even close to 100 tons) and show plenty of primitive stone cutting experiments that disprove what you just said about needing high speed cutting tools. Everything you're saying is wrong and the evidence we show in that series completely disproves you entirely. You're a waste of time.
If he switches to giving purely educational tours or videos that presents the actual evidence related to the complex I suspect that his revenue stream would slow to a trickle. Besides, his videos get many more times the subscribers and views as a channel like this. I suspect that the people who will watch an Ancient Presence video on the Serapeum in its entirety is a different demographic from those who are hard core unchartedx consumers. Nobody ever went broke cashing in on aggressive ignorance.
@@Eye_Exist hard science that tells us there is no evidence of an advanced lost civilization and no need for lost technology to move/make the Serapeum sarcophagi. Science ain't make believe...
it's quite a leap to assume these rollers, winches, etc could date the construction of the granite boxes, or tell you how they were moved. maybe it was an attempt by later cultures to move the boxes, but they obviously failed. you want to get a conclusive dating of the boxes? lift one of them up and carbon date test any organic material underneath it, if possible. barring that, thermoluminescence dating could tell you when the stones were last exposed to natural light.
Austin, the supposed organic material one might find under the Serapeum sarcophagi would tell us something about their movement. What if the sarcophagi were made by the Atlanteans, but the Egyptians simply moved them to the Serapeum? Can you explain to us how exactly would this dating be "conclusive dating of the boxes", because it surely seems like you didn't thought it through. Cheers!
@@AustinKoleCarlisle Oh, now I get it. So you believe the Egyptians could not even move them inside the Serapeum, therefore the makers were the ones who moved them as well, is that correct?
As You speak of the OBLATE SPHERE of Earth, just remember NASA HAS NEVER SUPPLIED A SINGLE OBLATE SPHERE PICTURE, IT'S ALWAYS A CIRCLE. So accept what you want, but you're doing it on FAITH.
Just because it appears circular We can measure the earth with satelites and it just is an oblate sphere, thos is not a mystery The only one here working in faith is you
A lot of talk about the granite boxes being made out of one single block... but what if they aren’t? Why hollow out a massive block of stone when it would be easier to cut slabs and assemble them into a box with precision joinery? That’s how a woodworker would build a box, not by carving out the center. With the incredible level of precision these boxes could have joints that are completely invisible, and you’d never know how it was done unless one got broken apart. Just throwing out an idea.
@Jay Lowther Getting all the grain going the same direction is something woodworkers do all the time. We’re talking about MASTER level craftsmanship here.
It’s also not as precise as some want you to think. Video on “scientists against myths” channel about the serapeum has actual measurements taken in the field. They are well done for the time, but these are not magic level or alien level precise. Modern granite work is far more precise for example (and they show this on that video as well)
I think that's the argument, I noticed in Scientists Against Myth Video on the Serapeum they ripped on Chris Dunn for saying no company could make the box. However they left out an important detail, Dunn asked them to do it with 1 block of granite. Scientists Against Myth didn't seem to state that in their video, so we don't know if the contractor said yes to making the box or making it in 1 piece. As I imagine you are right, everyone these days would make it in pieces, it makes more sense, allows room for error and correction aswel as being easier. So I'm interested to go through Ancient Presence videos on the Serapeum and see if this is addressed.
Holy sheittt the Plankes constant remark was so incorrect I almost choked when he said it. Im guessing he confusing Moores law with....jesuskristwhoknowswtf?
🤦♂️ What…? I feel sorry for people who say stupid things like this. Silly ass hats? 🤦♂️ 🤦♂️ 🤦♂️ Get out and see the world a little outside of your small bubble.
Hey guys great chat there, check out the vid on Rissa in Norway with regard to potential glacial damming, I remember it being shown when I was kid and it wasn’t new then, best wishes.
@@AncientPresence yes that’s it, alluvial deposits from ice age melts, disturbed and then liquified, they were lucky the sea didn’t pour in, thought it might add something to the debate, perhaps Randall has thoughts on this? 👍
Ben's mistakes: 1) assumes out of thin air certain objects could not be made without "advanced technology" 2) assumes out of thin air that a lost global civilization, with advanced technology existed, despite the absolute lack of evidence of such a thing 3) ignores all the data that goes against his idea 4) engages in logical fallacies "the only evidence of this civilization are the precise objects (A)" and "the only explanation for the precise objects is the advanced civilization (B)". A->B and B->A This is a circular argument and therefore logically invalid 5) ignores all the civilizations that made better stone work without advanced technology, like the Greeks, Romans, Indians, medieval/baroque Europeans etc. 6) fails to address how such a global advanced civilization can vanish into thin air, while we have plenty of paleolithic remains, made by hunter gatherers 7) bans the people who criticize his ideas I would gladly discuss the topic with anyone. I tried to do this on Ben's videos, but he banned me...
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It's a bummer that he banned you, that blocks progress in this kind of conversation with opposing views. We are becoming increasingly more skeptical of the concept of a lost civilization in times of prehistory, although it will forever remain an incredibly fascinating topic. As for lost high technology, we used to be excited at the idea but have come to realize that there are good explanations for the precise megalithic works we see in places like Egypt, that do not require any form of machine technology. We talk all about this in our podcast episode #2 with SGD, the video goes live in an hour. Join us in the live chat and we'll discuss! I'm sure you'll enjoy this one 😃
@@AncientPresence I'll go as far as to say that a lost bronze age civilization, perhaps a bit earlier then expected is possible (tough we have no evidence of such a thing), but that is a far cry from the popular lost global civilization with high technology that gets pushed all over the internet. It's really sad to see these "alternative researchers" have no education or anything more then superficial knowledge regarding the topics they are talking about. For instance, Jimmy from bright insight, claimed on Joe Rogan's podcast, that Europeans explorers invented the concept of pyramids being tombs and no bodies were ever found in "any" pyramid. In reality, Herodotus told us ~2.5k years ago the pyramids were tombs, so did the Egyptians and bodies/human remains have been found in multiple pyramids, including at Giza. Menkaure's pyramid has an inscription on the casing stones, claiming Menkaure was buried there. He is literally lying on the most popular podcast on the planet. The reason I know these things, is because I spent 5 years studying for a master's degree in ancient history. However, the average listener did not, and thus believes him in good faith. If one looks at the amount of disinformation corelated with all the money these "alternative researchers" make from patreon, books or highly overpriced tours (you can see all they offer, including the 5 star hotels, at half the price or less) one cannot help but think it's all an intentional scam, made by con artists... I can't wait to see the second one! Will check your other videos too :D
@MrAchile13 Indeed there is a great deal of misinformation across the internet. There’s also a lack of thorough understanding by many alternative researchers who are teaching people about this stuff, us included. Through our process of making content about ancient sites, we’ve come to realize how little we actually know. It’s humbling and we’ve changed our views about many things over time. As for disinformation, I don’t think that’s the case whatsoever, regarding people like Ben or Jimmy. They’re honest guys and I think they fully believe what they’re teaching, and have full conviction based on their research. I do see great errors though, in ignoring other people’s evidence that may disprove their theory, and blocking people from commenting on their channel etc. Our human psychology is so fascinating. It’s easy to get tunnel vision when looking for answers to validate our hypotheses. We create frameworks for understanding our field of research, and when challenged, it’s all too easy to dismiss the contradicting evidence. It’s a difficult process to admit when we’re wrong about things, that our framework may have been fundamentally flawed in its foundations. It’s all a learning process. I just hope that people will be able to adjust their views over time as new evidence emerges. We’re all in this together and we can support each other along the journey of discovery.
Hello Casey and Milo, Could you please check out a website called, The Land of Chem. Geoffrey Drumm, a thinker of science and archeology, such as yourselves, has presented a theory on the function of the pyramids. Not only the pyramids in Egypt, but all over the world. I hope that you will correspond with him. Your discussion may answer some long asked questions.. Thank you for your wonderful videos.
Ben deserves an academy award for pretending he never heard of Marietes findings...how quickly he comes up with some dismissive theories tho. You can tell you got too close with facts to his bread and butter grift.
I honestly don't think he was ever aware of them. His sources for the Serapeum are Dunn and the Khemitology spoofers. Is it any wonder he was clueless.
Looks like you set out just to rattle bens cage and have a smug sarcastic tone in your voice, hes found his own information, theories and has been one of the only people to actually make these amazing videos showing whats lying around in eygpt on the floor etc that most people had no idea were even their, so can draw their own conclusions and he has since changed his opinion on the seraphim, i think you smug pair have burnt a bridge with him but good luck with your own videos bens channel is brilliant and deserves to discover whether his own theories are floored and if he changes his opinion on stuff im sure he’ll say so. You were trying to call him out for making a career spreading misinformation lets be honest.
Lol. We actually like ben and had no nefarious reason for wanting to talk to him. We met him on our scablands trip and had the idea to do a podcast after we had a great time playing music and hanging with him. Its ok to disagree on things dude - not sure what smugness you are talking about - but we wish Ben a happy and fulfilling life.
@@AncientPresence you just came across slighty arrogant and like you was trying to call him out some of opinions that he has since probably changed his opinion on, his work on the vases is very interesting, i personally dont thing they had big circular saws at work there but perhaps some of the megaliths were already in situ when the dynastics And an inspiration, the tale of two industries has some merit as there are blatant similarities across the central hemisphere when it comes to megaliths l, i meant no offence its just how it come across to me.
Hey there, this is the other half of Ancient Presence 🤙 you might want to go back and watch our 3 part series on Tanis, to get some perspective of where we’re coming from. We used to be totally on board with Ben’s channel and the lost civilization theory (we gave him a shoutout in our Tanis videos) but we gradually changed our opinion over time, especially from having a UA-cam channel where people gave us information that debunked those ideas. When we were presented with information that proved us wrong, we changed our minds based on evidence. Unfortunately, people like Ben seem to ignore and avoid that type of information. We respect Ben as a fellow friend, explorer and researcher and we’d love to speak with him respectfully about these things, but he’s basically been ignoring us for the past few years. For a guy who calls for open debate, it’s unfortunate that he even avoids us who are his friends, who come with respect and kindness to discuss controversial topics with him. You may also want to watch our 3 part series on the Serapeum, where we entirely disprove the lost technology / civilization theory about that site. You said Ben had changed his views on the Serapeum, which probably came from our video series. Can you share a link to where he said he changed his views? I’d love to see that. You may also want to watch Night Scarab’s fantastic video debunking the vases. I’m sure you’ll find it insightful. ua-cam.com/video/O_4SaxVP44g/v-deo.htmlsi=1FNwURLAXZhbr3r5 There is always an opposing view to our extraordinary claims, and we should embrace the dissent as a healthy component to the scientific process, rather than avoid the debunkers or shun them away or ridicule them as smug or disrespectful people. Sure, there are feisty, rude and harsh people on the internet who are disproving others’ ideas with no sensitivity or respect, but that is definitely not the approach we’re taking, as we want to discuss these topics respectfully and make healthy connections with people, even if we disagree with them. It’s a shame when there is a disconnect amongst both sides of a disagreement, simply because the other guy was rude and disrespectful. It stops the progress. It is very healthy to challenge ourselves and listen to dissenters who want to debunk us, even if they are rude about it, because if we’re truly on a quest for truth, then we will see past other peoples’ shortcomings and merely focus on their scientific evidence, not block them out because of their behavior. That is unhealthy and unscientific and I hope over time Ben will embrace the dissent, rather than avoid it. Cheers
Do you really think they hurt ben's feelings? They seemed quite polite to me. I know the entire archaeological community has rebutted ben and his claims over and over again, the Scientists Against Myths and Night Scarab channels have made entire debunking videos for him. Do you think these have a real toll on him?
It is so good to have an open minded conversation and exchange ideas. These who make mistakes, learn new things. Even prominent figures could not accept idea of civilisations older than ancient Egypt and yet we got ourselves Gobekli Tepe :)
Oh god the strawman civilization/gobleki tepe again.
Civilization is defined as:
An advanced state of intellectual, cultural, and material development in human society, marked by progress in the arts and sciences, the extensive use of record-keeping, including writing, and the appearance of complex political and social institutions.
The oldest is still sumeria.
But you strawman it in to 'they build buildings so it's rewriting the history of civilization'
What you refer to is known as a CULTURE in history/archeology
I don't mean to scoff - but Ben's reaction at the end 1.24 :00 onwards is classic. We really need MORE podcasts like this. I'm really fed up with all these self-appointed "ancient history experts" and their UA-cam channels (...and expensive tours ) propagating theories that are not properly researched. They become almost Cultish in fervour. I believe they may start out with sincere intentions - but many of these channels end up spreading mis-information. On a positive note, I hope they engage and encourage new people (like myself...) to research both sides of a theory themselves. If you are truly open-minded you'll follow the scientific evidence and change your opinions as and when new evidence presents itself. ( Big thanks to your Channel and World of Antiquity channel)
1:27:26 UnchartedX leaves the chat really fast when the facts roll in.
Best part for sure
No wonder he avoids all the people able and willing to debate him.
He can't block people on this channel either lol.
@@MrAchile13 He can't handle a debate, not even a debate when you debate someone from his fan base. He have to interrupt, dismiss your provided facts as garbage, and then if you keep debating the fans, he delete your comments and finally block you. See if you can find where my comments are missing.
This is the unfortunate case when you become entrenched into your own ideology, you develop a following and it all becomes tethered to your identity. Sad because I love Ben and I really do think it he raises important questions and ideas about our past but this part of the interview really made me question if he has the humility to find the truth even if it means he is wrong about some things.
First podcast and you hit Ben with the Mariette report that he had never actually read or had translated. Classic!
I made a clip of it 😅.
"Do you want us to show You?
"Uh...I gotta wrap this up"
Ben, the king of research.
@@tpxchallenger He got very uncomfortable lol
Hilarious how his entire demeanor changed after that.
I read the passage in question myself and it leaves a lot to be desired. He makes a passing mention to the wood he found, doesn't describe or sketch it, no measurements, nothing at all. Other than ascribing a definitive use to it, that is. Unless it is dug up in some storage - if it even survived -, his account does not bear much proof one way or the other.
@@N.Eismann Yes, in and of itself. But if you add all the other archaeological and archival evidence provided by Mariette and other scholars it does provide a good death by a thousand cuts counter to the notion that the Serapeum is one big unexplainable mystery. Evidence of winches, evidence of rollers, proof of how the sarcophagi were lowered into their niches, etc. adds up pretty quickly.
Great discussion, thanks for posting.
Thanks for tuning in live, Ziggy ✌️ Glad you enjoyed it.
Serapeum is Ben's favorite site, yet he didn't even read Mariette's report or even the wiki page. Shows how thorough the research of alternative theorists is.
In the interest of fairness, not all alternative theorists should be lumped into the same vein.
There are those alternatives theorists who are content on being echo chambers and blindly repeating what they have been told by the other alternative theorists before them (without actually taking a more scholarly approach to verify the information being perpetuated). On the other hand there are also alternative theorists who carefully and meticulously research primary academic sources but whom also find issues in the academic literature, hence, formulate their alternative theories. However, I do see it as a major problem where some of the loudest speakers have done the least work. While alternatives may have a role to play in the grand scheme of things, personally, I find more value in actually reading academic literature, then I do from just about 90% of the alternative space.
Also, I would have liked to have heard more of a response from Ben rather than , “I need to wrap this up”.
Excellent podcast.
@Max That’s hilarious, it says it right there on Wikipedia. I never noticed that, maybe I never read that far down on the page before. I tend not to use Wikipedia too heavily and try to get to the original source documents instead. To be fair, Mariette’s book was never translated into English in any widespread version, at least not that we have found anywhere, so not many people have read his report. It was an arduous process for me to translate it lol.
@Anyextee Well said brother, thanks for your input on the matter. It’s true that the loudest voices often do the least research. And yes we hope to speak more with Ben about Mariette’s writings, he didn’t seem ready to expand on the topic right then. It’s an endlessly fascinating realm of research and those 150 year old books on the original archeological digs are extremely valuable resources. It would be great to do a podcast with you at some point as well if you’re interested?
Thanks for watching guys 😃
@@Anyextee well presented comments. I consider myself mostly in-line with the standard story but I leave room for other balanced views like yours. Which is why i am subbed on your channel.
@@Eyes_Open Thank you so much. I genuinely appreciate the sub!
He hasn't seen any evidence because he has no interest in finding the truth. He continues and will continue to push debunked ideas, because of .......
The part at the end explaining exactly how they lowered the box into the chamber is amazing. It’s a good example of how Dunn is so convinced of how something would have been impossible, but there’s always a very simple explanation if you look hard enough. He’s not really interested in the truth though if it contradicts his lost ancient advanced technology narrative.
Well said. I think you’d love our full Serapeum series. We go deep into this topic 🤙 enjoy and thanks for tuning in 🙏
He said those rooms were manipulated, by tile and lighting. I don't trust these two. They seem to be finishing for answers. Also, they tried to establish a narrative that he was a tour guide, and taking any job he can get. These districts are on a couch. Yeah. It took a weird turn.
1:24:10 "You can't fit the people in there.. ..We did the numbers.. say 50 ton box.. somebody moves uh 200 kilograms, its like 250 people you require, you cannot fit that number and that's pulling 200 kilograms.."
Well, who says one person only can pull 200 kilograms, ON ROLLERS? On a hard limestone bedrock floor? A ten year old could do that. At least a 200kg barbell on a concrete floor with rubber mat. I know I have no trouble pulling or pushing my own 2 ton (2000 kilograms) car on tarmac, and I weigh 70 kg. Last time I checked the world record of a strongman is to pull a 288 tons (288000 kilograms) train by himself.
But to be clear, I'm not saying that the ancient Egyptians was as strong as a stongman world record holder. I'm saying that Bens (or who ever "we" are) numbers are ridiculous.
I would love to see a real deal experiment, with a block, rollers, 10 year old, measurements and stuff
@@vainamoinen2451 Feel free.
There are no rollers under the boxes that have been left in the tunnels without making it to the enclosures
Nit even the slightest evidence of any wood or anything underneath
@@zm5668 As they say in the video Auguste Mariette found evidence of wooden rollers and two sicamore winches with eight levers on them. Try at least to watch the video before you comment
ZM, watch our Serapeum series, especially part 2, as we discuss the evidence found that proves how the boxes were transported. Mariette found traces of wooden rollers, double rails and wooden winches in the tunnels and chambers… and he even lowered a box into a chamber by removing the sand underneath it.
You are absolutely incorrect when you said that not the slightest evidence of wood was found… where did you hear that? When you speak so authoritatively, you must’ve done quite a lot of research into this sight huh? Read the original archeological accounts that discuss what was found in the Serapeum? Read any some scholarly papers written about this site? Read anything at all…?
Apparently not, as wood was 100% found in the Serapeum that proves how the boxes were transported. Why are you speaking with such conviction on a subject you haven’t properly researched??? This is Dunning-Kruger personified.
If you want a thorough study of the Serapeum, and if you want to find real answers to these kinds of questions… not just confirmation bias… then please watch this entire series. We poured an immense level of research into these videos and covered every aspect of this site as best as we could fit into just under 2 hours. I hope you enjoy and then comment on those videos with your thoughts. Cheers 🙏
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Great first show fellas, great first guest. You have a new subscriber.
I think i’ve watched this 4 times, once for more knowledge and 3 times to laugh at Ben’s term for ‘oh shit they know’ as ‘interesting!’
Good and excellent jobs ,the lost ancient high technology civilization,long live on Earth.
Well done on the podcast.
Thank you for posting the pdf translation.
Thanks for watching Alan. You’ll enjoy Mariette’s writings about lowering the box with sand. It’s fascinating.
@@AncientPresence i second that. So well done! 🤙🤙
*unchartedx music*
Good job guys. I wish you success in trying to allow people to meet in the middle and discuss issues. But I am worried you will scare off those who remain entrenched in grandiose alternative claims and they won't want to publicly be interviewed by you guys since you obviously won't be overawed by non-evidence. KUDOS on finding and translating the French document.
Thanks for the nice comment. Our intention is to embrace a wide variety of people with differing opinions and explore these topics together respectfully, rather than perpetuating the "us vs. them" mentality. Hopefully, we can all humbly admit when we're wrong and these kinds of podcasts will help us all progress towards a better understanding of history.
Very good pod ive been watching Unchartedx for a while now and glad i found you boys!
Great podcast!! Love the info that is put up as you discuss keep it up!!
01:27:27
LOL!!
As soon as you are about to send him the evidence, he suddenly has to go!
Yeah, skedaddle, UneducatedX!
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Brilliant! Uncle Ben’s a Carpenter and may be a very good one. I always tell his followers (mates) that they need to watch it muted to truly see as they lead you up the garden path!
Two years later Ben of UnShartedX and unfortunately the Snake Brothers are still selling tours and spewing the same Serapeum LAHT cow poop. Really disappointed in the Snake Bros for not living up to their ouroboros logo and diving down the self-correcting rabbit hole of Marriette and the Serapeum.
Great discussion!!
Ben mentions 2 possible scenarios, that Dynastic Egypt was much more advanced than we thought, or these megaliths were inherited by an older more advanced civilization. There's also a third scenario though, that the building might have been done by Dynastic Egyptians, but they weren't advanced enough on their own, and they received direction and assistance from survivors of an older more advanced civilization.
mo the technologies involved to extract shape and transport huge granite volume is way over our current capacities , the precision is another aspect we cannot reproduce today , the aliens had done all of the work by themselves some 18,000 years ago way before any stone age people emerged from antiquity
@@al2207 It is over our current capacities to do that work efficiently enough to justify doing it only for the creation of a monument, (if that was all it was), but we can do it today if we wanted. But our methods of doing that require massive resources, monster scale custom machinery like the biggest CnC machines ever made by orders of magnitude, etc. Its possible, but the resources necessary to make proof of concept machines that 'could' do it, could not come close to being justified, unless the efforts to make a Great Pyramid paid off by it being able to produce enormous value for the human race in some way. But even though it is 'possible' to do it, and we went to the enormous process of pooling resources from all countries around the world, etc. our version of it would actually be far more precise in appearance, which is why logically, to go to extremes of computer controlled precision to control shape down to fractions of a mm, there is zero chance we'd wind up with such orgainic looking shapes that appear almost 'melted' in aesthetic. So in my opinion, the way they did this work is most definately not the way we would do it, and I'd hazzard to guess their methods would make this work far easier to accomplish, given the haphazard results of form they produced.
But none of the scenarios proposed by Ben have any supporting evidence (literally nothing), while the existing evidence points against his scenarios.
@@al2207 later civilizations transported heavier stones and made better stone objects, so why would the Egyptian technology surpass ours?
Finally (due to Covid knocking me down) had a chance to read the translated document. Long read but amazing level of details. Thanks so much for the link.
Yeah reading that book is quite an incredible journey to learn what Mariette experienced while excavating the Serapeum. We’re happy you took the time to read it! 🙏
Nice first podcast guys. Looking forward to more.
Really enjoyed this 👍
Hey, fantastic first episode guys. Looking forward to more. Keep this going, hey.
Thank Will! Glad you enjoyed this one. We're really enjoying making podcasts!
@@AncientPresence I'm glad you guys have it up and going now. I agree with Ben about the video you did of the Scablands. Any time I want to explain to someone what the Scablands are, I use that video. So well done.
Right on, thanks bro! We're still waiting on the word from Brad and Randall about doing a podcast at some point 😁
Aye, and the network grows!! Thatvwill be a great podcast. I'd like to meet Robert Schoch one day. He seems like a healthy balance of intelligence and decency. Like Randall. I'll probably go back in September.
That woulda been cool to hang with Grimarica, Snake Bros, Ben, and Randell.
Oh dear, watching Ben squirming as you guys informing him of Marietts paper😂😂
I don't think Ben will be rushing to appear on your show again😂
Wouldn’t the scoop marks act like a gold cradle and prevent the sand and water from flowing so easily? Good set of steps also.
Could flooding have carved out the underside of that rock which was sedimentary?
Why is there an evolution of pyramids over a few thousand years? Early on some they had very agricultural efforts up until Giza. Years of planning and improvement in expertise and methods explain 95%.
This video never gets old in terms of the cringe factor of someone claiming that the Serapeum is unexplained while being ignorant of everything written about it.
My understanding is that Ben has claimed that the lowering of the sarcophagus as discussed by Mariette is fabricated. Something to do with a niche in the floor of its chamber that precludes the method claimed by Mariette. Do you have any comments or insights on this?
Yeah, he's claiming that they fit into sockets that would have been impossible to guide into had it been lowered in the manner Mariette describes.
Problem is, the "sockets", where they exist, were added after the fact. They built a tiled floor around the base of the box. Funnily enough, in older serapeum videos UnchartedX even talks about how the tiled floors were built around the base of the box. The other problem for UnchartedX's claim is that many of the boxes are just sitting on the bare bedrock floor without any added tiled floor around them. I was there myself in July of last year and can confirm this with some of my own pictures.
@@Leeside999Thnx. You can generally tell when he is lying because his lips are moving. But the added confirmation helps.
I would assume that if you point that out they will just double down on the notion that some poorly engraved hieroglyphs on a sarcophagus is somehow probative evidence that the granite sarcophagi are 10k years old. Or however the idiots are trying to spin it this week.
@@jackrifleman562 Yes, while ignoring the good quality hieroglyphs on a different box that describes how it was to house an apis bull.
The video in question is from the 'matt beall limitless' channel. It's the #1 video and @ 1:30:15. You can see the tells in UnchartedX's body language that he's talking through his ass. lol
Watching it again he does actually say that they built the floor around them but the sockets are underneath the floor. Not sure how he knows they exist under the floor if we can't see under the floor.
@@Leeside999 I suspect that is why they are really pushing the "perfect" stone vase angle now. Nothing they have pushed has gained any traction beyond the support of the type of folks who have already bought into their con. And I think some of their nonsense has worn thin even in that crowd. In-house "research" on small unprovenanced items is their Hail Mary pass at this point.
@@jackrifleman562 Yep, he's going all-in on the vases now. Milking them no end.
10:07 they could have had a bearing support on the shaft and just used a crank set in the center of the box. Winde it one way until the rope is used up, then reverse the crank. Back and forth. Over and over.
Great discussion. Regarding the UA-cam videos of people trying to recreate the signature examples of ancient engineering...I agree with Ben, nobody has recreated any of the huge artifacts. I've seen bowls being made but they take months, examined closely do not match the precision of the originals and the hollowing out is never replicated to the precise thorough hollowing of the original. Saw cuts and drill holes look similar but take many hours and are done on a small scale, in some cases I've seen actually utilise modern strapping and chisels. None of this addresses the overcut saw cuts or the overarching scope of the megalithic constructions. Also the question "where are the tools?", unless it's rock or bone it's been swallowed by time. You only create so many huge, precision constructions if you've advanced your knowledge to the point where it's relatively easy. So the UA-cam reconstruction of techniques are valuable but only convince me they are not showing me the way the artifacts were really constructed.
Thanks for sharing. We've seen many demonstrations on youtube channels like Scientists Against Myths, Sacred Geometry Decoded and Mike Haduck, and their results are solid. If you can do these cuts on a small scale, you can do them on a large scale. In order to reproduce a full sarcophagus, it would be incredibly expensive, but if if all the same cuts required are demonstrated on a smaller scale, then those experiments can be extrapolated to prove how to larger artifacts were made.
@@AncientPresence I understand the point but my personal belief is the precision and the large scale constructions are done by people whose capabilities and tools have advanced to the point where those things are relatively easy. Viewing the videos you mention have only shown ME likenesses but fail to convince. In the end we all form our own views on what we see and are presented with but none of us can actually know (until we find the manuals, textbooks, saws, tube drills even hieroglyphs!)
@@iang1 You have given a fair response since you have looked at both sides of the debate. I am personally convinced in the other direction. In defence of my view, I wonder what is implied by the term PRECISE. I think it can verbally mean a little different to different people. I don't just mean your use of the word, I hear it across many forums. When we use mathematical values with tolerance values, I see imprecision in artifacts that are claimed to be amazingly precise. In some cases, machines today simply could not reproduce exactly what we find in Egypt because high precision tools can't reproduce the imprecision found in the artifacts. Since I believe in hand worked stone, I am still amazed at the quality. Cheers.
@@Eyes_Open first of all many thanks for your civilised reply, the default response by a large number of UA-cam commenters with an opposing view is usually one of hostile sarcasm which I never understand and rarely respond to. So the tone of your comment is refreshing. I agree the word 'precise' is used probably inappropriately to describe objects people haven't personally measured and handled. However, I think it's used to distinguish between the groups of Egyptian objects seen in the museums with visually differing qualities IE those having a distinct 'look of precision' compared to those that don't. But, I agree, it's not a literally correct use of the word. Thanks for your comment and it's good two people with opposite views can be civil! 🍻
Consider that the UA-cam experiments are being done by people who are otherwise not stone cutters and in a few hours time having never done it before. Then consider that in ancient Egypt, you’d likely be trained for many years and spend a lifetime doing these trades which themselves were perfected over several generations. It’s no wonder they don’t look the same, but some are actually really close and the fact it’s possible at all with primitive methods (along with all the other data showing a dynastic origin) we really don’t need to try to come up with explanations that are really not. “Idk who did it or how but it couldn’t possibly be the Egyptians who said they did it”
Sometimes I think the Dynastic Egyptians found the Hall of Records and located instructions to build the pyramids that would explain the layout at 10500 and the shaft pointing at Orion 2530 BC when it was constructed.
the Petrie core is not spiral. it's been photographed in hi definition it's not a consistent groove. a regular core drill that we know they used results in the same exact groove style.
We discuss that in episode #2, coming soon. This video talks all about it. Didn’t have time to get into it in this podcast though.
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@@AncientPresence cool. I'm of the same mind as it sounds you guys are. I used to buy the ancient 'high' tech stuff, but the more resaerch I've done reading first hand accounts and actual avidence and data that real researchers have done (with peer review and in depth analysis), rather than just people on youtube spouting off the top of their heads, the more clear it is that the techniques used were mundane - but just very clever. The Egyptians had an entire massive civilization they could put to work doing these things, and they were working for a monarch they thought was a god. You can see a similar shift of thought in Matt's Ancient Architects channel, where it used to be woo woo, but as he's actually read the research and direct data from hardcore researchers he's found that a lot of this stuff we actually HAVE discovered the means for accomplishing. It's just not as sexy sounding as aliens or ancient high tech machines and other ridiculous assertions like that.
@@AncientPresence hah that same Scientists Against Myths video was the one I was referencing. He actually got high res photos and analyzed them, and actually tested hypotheses.
@@neoclassic09 Yeah, we've been on a similar path of discovery, first really wanting the high tech stuff to be true and then realizing that it's less and less plausible the more we research this topic. Ancient people were very clever and it's amazing what can be accomplished using simple tools and simple methods.
There are still many mysteries though, and we look forward to future research that will hopefully give us better answers... like real properly funded metrology studies of the "precision" artifacts in Egypt. We might just find out that it was all done with primitive tools. Although thats less sexy, it's important that we seek the truth, not the most fantastic explanations. Maybe Dunn simply projected a modern engineer's mentality onto ancient craftsmen, without understanding the full extent of their capabilities.
Egyptologists definitely need to step up their game though, and address this issue head on, rather than mostly ignoring it. For one example, I would love to se them give an in-depth explanation as to how the Colossi of Memnon were transported so far. Wikipedia's 2 sentences on that enormous topic is not cutting it lol:
"The statues are made from blocks of quartzite sandstone which was quarried at el-Gabal el-Ahmar (near modern-day Cairo) and transported 675 km (420 mi) overland to Thebes (Luxor). The stones are believed to be too heavy to have been transported upstream on the Nile."
@@AncientPresence a hundred thousand workers forced to do it. they had pullies, levers, lifting devices, sleds, etc. it just took a long time and a lot of people.
Money shot = 1:27:26
Professor Tim Darvill now admits or rather is open to the idea that Stonehenge may have have either been influenced by an Egyptian source or even built by someone from there. Check him out out.
Megaliths are older than Pyramids by 4000 years so i guess they got better at it.
Didn’t they use concentrated fires to soften the rock before pounding? In tests without fire, 2mm per hour became 200mm after fire heated the rock.
I think it's important to note that any advanced technology that may have existed in the ancient past would have likely turned to dust by now - especially given what we understand about cataclysms and their destructive nature. Anything made of metal or glass would degrade to dust if left to the elements. If you left a car in the jungle - in less than a thousand years, it would be unrecognizable (other than a elemental anomaly on the ground). If you leave a building, it isn't long before people steal the copper pipes and wiring, and any screens or windows get broken by vandals. If ancient structures had anything like wiring, plumbing, or machinery - it would have likely been looted, recycled, locked away in vaults, or lost to time. Just a thought
Definitely good thoughts on the matter. It’s amazing that we’ve only found 1 of the machines known as the Antikythera Mechanism, when surely there once must have existed many of them. We have to wonder what other metal machines may have been lost..?
Theres writings and pictures. It would have been documented. And "it not existing anymore" is super convenient so you can make up whatever fantasies you choose to. It's impossible to disprove.
What about all the less durable hunter-gatherer artifacts that continue to show up from the exact same time period? how can all this advanced machinary just vaporize while leaving much more delicate artifacts undisturbed?
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The more i watch this, the more i can see how Ben's winging it and he's dated. You guys are clearly looking into things he hasn't touched on, i think we are at the point where his knowledge base, and ability to question his own ideology is getting in his way. Can see he's followed along with what he's found with Yousef, GH & the ancient High Tech crowd... but he's kinda outdated now and needs to grow in his beliefs in order to keep up with current fndings. Well done guys, i hope more people cotton onto yoru channel, i've found a lot of useful info from books written in the 70s and 80s - my local op shop (Australian for goodwill store) has given me so many great books for next to nothing!
So much so that Ben has another site so he is not found to be contradicting himself as now he is refining his dodgy narrative to get around our evidence.
to answer your question at 15.30 mark just think of several comet impacts onto the ice shelf , it will be more than enough to produce the heat needed , do not forget the quantity of heat depend only of mass and speed nothing else
Great vid guys; looking forward to meeting you both this June @ CAC Montana.
Thanks for watching! We're actually not coming on that upcoming tour, but Ben will be there. I'm sure it will be a great trip 😃
@@AncientPresence Oh well, perhaps the next 'Montana' trip then. I met Ben, Brad & Randall briefly at Dry Falls last May; hopefully this tour I'll be able to hang-out with everyone.
I just got to the “We’ve got to wrap this up” 😂😂😂 and his only reply after is ‘interesting’ after his laugh with the initial information. Gold!
You would think that someone who is genuinely "just looking for answers" would be pleased to finally hear those answers. He couldn't get out of there fast enough 😂
@@Leeside999 Do you want the document in English Ben?
Na i’ll get the original French copy and get someone to translate it 😂.
*I hate mocking people but my kids hear this stuff and because it’s so fantastical they trip out over nothing more remarkable than human kinds feats.
Think how thick a rope would be to support a 1000t would be absolutely massive
Multiple ropes
Music and math are linked. I am wondering how much of these monumental structures are linked to music?
Look up the Hypogeum in Malta! Much older and the acoustics are grand! So many in Malta to visit.
Maybe the scoop mark ridges and dips are something to do with how the blocks were removed
1:17:00 he says that the objects must be precisely measured and until then, the experiments have little value, which is a strange objection, since the experiments generate pure data.
What's even stranger, is that in his videos, he repeatedly makes claims about "machine precision", even though he now admits we don't have the precise measurements of these objects.
Have you watched our podcast episode 2? I think you’ll enjoy that one.
@@AncientPresence It's been a busy day, but I'll watch it tomorrow ;)
This age like wine . haha
About to tuck in to this with a coffee and some cleaning
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@@AncientPresence 52:11 ironically they laser scanned entire pyramids (the Japanese did many scans, as I'm sure you know) but cant do a "tiny" (relatively) box
54:02 on this note I would like to mention praveen mohan on UA-cam who has amazing footage of many locations in india
But the barabar caves are astoundingly unique and impressive
You could add a pullie to the bow saw to reach
That took a weird turn at the end. Looks the boys on the couch lost his attention. Mine too.
So you’re not interested in factual information…?
The pyramids in Egypt are SUPER ancient in my opinion… having been to Egypt 3 times I’ve actually seen them you can’t get that perfection from copper tools rollers and powders. They must be way more ancient than the so called “Ancient Egyptians” Brien Forester talks about these pre-civilizations ending 12,000 years ago… well that to me says they must of been around way before that. Maybe 50,000 years ago. In a time line that old yes they could of become more advanced then us. I think they made the block weightless and just pushed the damn things into place… like it was nothing for them to move these 50 to 200 ton stones.
this is why we cant have nice things.
So you are convinced that people were stupid some 4500 years ago.
@@petejung3122 Actually to the contrary. We are far less intelligent now.
@@rfn74 yep.
I don't understand people like you.
You know we went to the moon, and considering going to mars.....
We know our Universe and even almost beyond.
They’ve been dated 3 different ways to the dynastic period. Carbon dating on organic matter in the mortar, wood from queens chamber shaft, bioluminescence. Four if you include Egyptian writings in context with building at Giza during Khufu’s reign.
I think wire cutter gold wire with diamonds twisted into the wire and water would cut very fast
It's advantageous with harder material to cut more slowly to reduce frictional heat. Even when using diamonds.
you can make a completely flat surface on granite using primitive tools. it takes time but its doable. but how you make sharp interior square corners in granite such as at the serapeum - we dont know - unless they used machine tools .- which "of course" is not "possible".
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not only that, but how did they core out the bulk of the material? a copper saw couldn't have done it, was it all tube drills? that must've taken decades.
Interstellar travel is only possible using switch magnets and ellipses.
10 words.
Ten words to unlock the Cosmos, exponentially exceed light speed, DECIMATE the World Economy and Military Industrial Complex, and give EVERYONE the opportunity to explore the limitless Universe. 😉
Thanks good job to get him on. Dave M sent me! I’ll need to backtrack on your previous work. Cheers boys!
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@@AncientPresence keep it real brother!
@@AncientPresence Sorry, forgot to mention while visiting Rome i went to the Vatican and the statue of St Peter’s foot has been rubbed down or eroded an inch or more by people touching it. Check it out sometime as i think it puts the Mohs Hardness idea to bed somewhat quickly.
Nice one. Ya unfortunately the Mohs is so misunderstood by the LAHT folks. It measures relative hardness and the ability for stones to scratch each others’ surfaces, not their ability to pound and smash each other. It’s best left mostly out of the conversation of ancient stone masonry lol.
I think i’ve watched this 4 times, once for more knowledge and 3 times to laugh at Ben’s term for ‘oh shit they know’ as ‘interesting!’
Just subd , what a great disscussion
1:18:00
How did they move giant stuff up river? The same way they moved regular stuff up river, with sails!
Ben seems like such a fun guy to converse with on any topic. Plus he's a metal head right? I'd love to " nerd out" with this guy 😁👍
I do alot of 3d printing...you could make a giant 3d printer /CNC machine and make some amazing things out of granite just need funding
Challenging the challenger while on a couch is tick move.
Why do you care so much that we were sitting on a couch? 😆 and what, people are not supposed to challenge others with factual information? 🤦♂️ that’s not scientific at all
What about tubes and dropping pounding stones down the tube..and pick them up and dropping them back down the tube a pound stone machine
Or attach a pounding stone to a long wooden pole maybe...?
"we did the numbers" lmao
Hi
I think those who put it into the designs wanted to show off and at the same time ironically never forget the figures as it's written in stone.
Are you guys going to place the French report of the Sarapeum account of moving one of the sarcophagus? I'll provide you the scholarly article that proves it takes at least a #8hardness cutting medium to leave striations on basalt. Sand is proven incapable of leaving striations in basalt w copper and arsenic tube drills of Dynastic Egypt. When you mention something is hard to explain, does that mean you have some evidence of how the given work was accomplished, or that there currently isn't an explanation in many cases?
The downloadable PDF of Auguste Mariette's book is in the description 👍
Yes, please send us the link to the article. The evidence that we've seen of striations in the granite tube drills comes from the experiments of UA-cam channels like Scientists Against Myths and Sacred Geometry Decoded. Watch this video where they reproduce a tube drill with much more precise "spiral" striations, compared to Petrie's core #7. It's fascinating work, although unfortunately condescending.
ua-cam.com/video/HQi4yql7Ysg/v-deo.html
@@AncientPresence Thanks guys!
Depends on the sand
Depends on the sand
I know you show a lot of respect for Ben but jeese louise he’s way off track with his theories and is just a tourist like me. His crap gets views and i’m unsure why those followers aren’t here watching this discussion. I watch uncharted x with no audio because of smoke and mirrors.
If you could spin a vase on a lathe you would see if it was round ....or made on lathe
Great discussion guys, I am not familiar with Milo though. Someone point me in the right direction!
I’m here Joe! Who are you lol? I saw you comment Casey House in the house on SGD’s live chat and I was like who the heck is this guy?!
@@AncientPresence I have been fascinated by sac geometry since around 2014 or so. Randall Carlson inspired me to make my first illustration which is called the four earthly elements. I appreciate the discussion. Subbed!!!
@@AncientPresence I hope your arm heals up well. Get those fat soluble vitamins in you!
Awesome, yeah once the geometry get in your consciousness, you’re hooked for life huh. Thanks for the well wishing a for my arm, it’s slowly coming back to life. I got the splint off now, so I’m feelin free 👍
Welcome to the thought police ......1984....your not allowed to think outside the box
Ben is awesome!
nah
Ben is a fraudster!
What about the book called evolution cruncher, tree ring dating, carbon dating , major problems, then when a dating system gets based on these coupled with a date given by solan of 9000 years from priests in egypt whose calender was lunar this should be discussed not just taken forfact without the facts i have mentioned coming into play. I have a copy of all resources if you would like them .
The Egyptians used the Civil Calendar as well as the farmers needing the lunar calendar.
10:45 ...sea levels raised a couple hundred feet...
Look at the chart, it was 200 feet in a 4 hundred year period. So two feet a year....hardly a deluge.
Sophisticated lost civilizations that weren't sophisticated enough to figure out that given the slow rate of sea level rise they could just move another couple miles inland and be high and dry for another couple hundred years. I guess?
These huge building blocks could have been floated on mercury.
When it comes to all the evidence left in Egypt, of all the work that was done, I would not even entertain the idea of primitive methods such as pounding stones. It looks absurd even demonstrating it, like mockery and denying reality and common sense. Anybody with functioning eyeballs should be able to make the assessment that these were made by something operating at high speeds and heat. To create high RPM, some form of energy is required expended by a source. The question is, what is that source?
Have you seen our Serapeum series? We debunk the need for lost technology thoroughly. Primitive methods are more than enough and those boxes are not as precise as people were led to believe they are anyways.
@@AncientPresence I mean no offense, but it seems you guys have never built anything, shaped, High polished, cut to specs. I watched your interview with that guy from UnchartedX and I could see that he was getting frustrated because anybody that has any craftsmanship or technical abilities experience whether, masonry, stone, steel, would know these things were not done by "primitive methods". In order to achieve a straight cut at all proportions or a cylindrical core cutting you need high speed. Go out and ride your bike super slow and see how straight you can go? The faster the movement balance and symetry are achieved. I dont know what your backgrounds are, but based on you guy's assesssment, you guys have not looked at the technicality. I know people like you guys actually, people that just look at things and get imprinted with the common belief. Some people are just more technical than others. Maybe its one of those things where some people are efficient at seeing things.
@@AncientPresence Also on that Mariette report you guys translated.... Anybody with any common sense would see what a bunch of bs it is. Lowering the Sarcopaghus with sand??? Really?? And that turnbuckle come_along wooden winch?? Smh, You guys need to look into shear strength and crush resistance. It almost sounds like you guys are running interferance for the academia narrative or something rather.
Wow quite the comments there bro. We both have plenty of construction experience, so you know. And you're just going to reject Mariette's first hand archeological report just because you say it's bs? You're ridiculous. Did you watch our 3 part Serapeum series? We discuss the crush strength of cedar, how heavy the boxes actually are (not even close to 100 tons) and show plenty of primitive stone cutting experiments that disprove what you just said about needing high speed cutting tools. Everything you're saying is wrong and the evidence we show in that series completely disproves you entirely. You're a waste of time.
@@chrisalivio1
You are quite clearly a profoundly undereducated ding bat.
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It'll be interesting if Ben still spews lies while visiting the serepeum.
If he switches to giving purely educational tours or videos that presents the actual evidence related to the complex I suspect that his revenue stream would slow to a trickle. Besides, his videos get many more times the subscribers and views as a channel like this. I suspect that the people who will watch an Ancient Presence video on the Serapeum in its entirety is a different demographic from those who are hard core unchartedx consumers. Nobody ever went broke cashing in on aggressive ignorance.
No doubt purposely omits information
accuses Ben of lying from a standpoint which is entirely built on nonsensical speculation that contradicts the hard sciences.
@@Eye_Exist hard science that tells us there is no evidence of an advanced lost civilization and no need for lost technology to move/make the Serapeum sarcophagi. Science ain't make believe...
@@MrAchile13 except it does not. go on and link me the hard science.
Could the Arc explain the destruction at Elaphantine island
it's quite a leap to assume these rollers, winches, etc could date the construction of the granite boxes, or tell you how they were moved. maybe it was an attempt by later cultures to move the boxes, but they obviously failed. you want to get a conclusive dating of the boxes? lift one of them up and carbon date test any organic material underneath it, if possible. barring that, thermoluminescence dating could tell you when the stones were last exposed to natural light.
Austin, the supposed organic material one might find under the Serapeum sarcophagi would tell us something about their movement. What if the sarcophagi were made by the Atlanteans, but the Egyptians simply moved them to the Serapeum? Can you explain to us how exactly would this dating be "conclusive dating of the boxes", because it surely seems like you didn't thought it through. Cheers!
@@MrAchile13 how do you know the Egyptians had the ability to move these in such close quarters?
@@AustinKoleCarlisle Oh, now I get it. So you believe the Egyptians could not even move them inside the Serapeum, therefore the makers were the ones who moved them as well, is that correct?
As You speak of the OBLATE SPHERE of Earth, just remember NASA HAS NEVER SUPPLIED A SINGLE OBLATE SPHERE PICTURE, IT'S ALWAYS A CIRCLE. So accept what you want, but you're doing it on FAITH.
Just because it appears circular
We can measure the earth with satelites and it just is an oblate sphere, thos is not a mystery
The only one here working in faith is you
A lot of talk about the granite boxes being made out of one single block... but what if they aren’t? Why hollow out a massive block of stone when it would be easier to cut slabs and assemble them into a box with precision joinery? That’s how a woodworker would build a box, not by carving out the center. With the incredible level of precision these boxes could have joints that are completely invisible, and you’d never know how it was done unless one got broken apart. Just throwing out an idea.
@Jay Lowther
Getting all the grain going the same direction is something woodworkers do all the time. We’re talking about MASTER level craftsmanship here.
It’s also not as precise as some want you to think. Video on “scientists against myths” channel about the serapeum has actual measurements taken in the field. They are well done for the time, but these are not magic level or alien level precise. Modern granite work is far more precise for example (and they show this on that video as well)
I think that's the argument, I noticed in Scientists Against Myth Video on the Serapeum they ripped on Chris Dunn for saying no company could make the box. However they left out an important detail, Dunn asked them to do it with 1 block of granite. Scientists Against Myth didn't seem to state that in their video, so we don't know if the contractor said yes to making the box or making it in 1 piece. As I imagine you are right, everyone these days would make it in pieces, it makes more sense, allows room for error and correction aswel as being easier.
So I'm interested to go through Ancient Presence videos on the Serapeum and see if this is addressed.
Holy sheittt the Plankes constant remark was so incorrect I almost choked when he said it. Im guessing he confusing Moores law with....jesuskristwhoknowswtf?
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Ben jams the guitar is cool. 😊
I've just heard him say in one of his streams that the "sand theory" is "absolute nonsense".
Of course! We need a sensible explication like anti-gravity devices, which I have hard him claim were used. Logic and reason, ladies and gentlemen...
@@MrAchile13 CHANTING PRIESTS! CHANTING PRIESTS! CHANTING PRIESTS!
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@@Leeside999 sand was used
Wow! The ancient Egyptians used the foot as a measurement thousands of years before the middle ages!
They speak sense. Even while wearing their distracting, silly ass hats.
🤦♂️ What…? I feel sorry for people who say stupid things like this. Silly ass hats? 🤦♂️ 🤦♂️ 🤦♂️ Get out and see the world a little outside of your small bubble.
Hey guys great chat there, check out the vid on Rissa in Norway with regard to potential glacial damming, I remember it being shown when I was kid and it wasn’t new then, best wishes.
I found videos of a big landslide in Rissa, is that what you were referring to?
@@AncientPresence yes that’s it, alluvial deposits from ice age melts, disturbed and then liquified, they were lucky the sea didn’t pour in, thought it might add something to the debate, perhaps Randall has thoughts on this? 👍
Cool thanks for sharing. Yeah that’s pretty terrifying to watch. I get the feeling Randall has read every paper ever written on this event lol.
Ben's mistakes:
1) assumes out of thin air certain objects could not be made without "advanced technology"
2) assumes out of thin air that a lost global civilization, with advanced technology existed, despite the absolute lack of evidence of such a thing
3) ignores all the data that goes against his idea
4) engages in logical fallacies "the only evidence of this civilization are the precise objects (A)" and "the only explanation for the precise objects is the advanced civilization (B)". A->B and B->A This is a circular argument and therefore logically invalid
5) ignores all the civilizations that made better stone work without advanced technology, like the Greeks, Romans, Indians, medieval/baroque Europeans etc.
6) fails to address how such a global advanced civilization can vanish into thin air, while we have plenty of paleolithic remains, made by hunter gatherers
7) bans the people who criticize his ideas
I would gladly discuss the topic with anyone. I tried to do this on Ben's videos, but he banned me...
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It's a bummer that he banned you, that blocks progress in this kind of conversation with opposing views. We are becoming increasingly more skeptical of the concept of a lost civilization in times of prehistory, although it will forever remain an incredibly fascinating topic. As for lost high technology, we used to be excited at the idea but have come to realize that there are good explanations for the precise megalithic works we see in places like Egypt, that do not require any form of machine technology. We talk all about this in our podcast episode #2 with SGD, the video goes live in an hour. Join us in the live chat and we'll discuss! I'm sure you'll enjoy this one 😃
@@AncientPresence I'll go as far as to say that a lost bronze age civilization, perhaps a bit earlier then expected is possible (tough we have no evidence of such a thing), but that is a far cry from the popular lost global civilization with high technology that gets pushed all over the internet.
It's really sad to see these "alternative researchers" have no education or anything more then superficial knowledge regarding the topics they are talking about. For instance, Jimmy from bright insight, claimed on Joe Rogan's podcast, that Europeans explorers invented the concept of pyramids being tombs and no bodies were ever found in "any" pyramid.
In reality, Herodotus told us ~2.5k years ago the pyramids were tombs, so did the Egyptians and bodies/human remains have been found in multiple pyramids, including at Giza. Menkaure's pyramid has an inscription on the casing stones, claiming Menkaure was buried there. He is literally lying on the most popular podcast on the planet. The reason I know these things, is because I spent 5 years studying for a master's degree in ancient history. However, the average listener did not, and thus believes him in good faith.
If one looks at the amount of disinformation corelated with all the money these "alternative researchers" make from patreon, books or highly overpriced tours (you can see all they offer, including the 5 star hotels, at half the price or less) one cannot help but think it's all an intentional scam, made by con artists...
I can't wait to see the second one! Will check your other videos too :D
@@MrAchile13 well spoken!
@MrAchile13 Indeed there is a great deal of misinformation across the internet. There’s also a lack of thorough understanding by many alternative researchers who are teaching people about this stuff, us included. Through our process of making content about ancient sites, we’ve come to realize how little we actually know. It’s humbling and we’ve changed our views about many things over time.
As for disinformation, I don’t think that’s the case whatsoever, regarding people like Ben or Jimmy. They’re honest guys and I think they fully believe what they’re teaching, and have full conviction based on their research. I do see great errors though, in ignoring other people’s evidence that may disprove their theory, and blocking people from commenting on their channel etc.
Our human psychology is so fascinating. It’s easy to get tunnel vision when looking for answers to validate our hypotheses. We create frameworks for understanding our field of research, and when challenged, it’s all too easy to dismiss the contradicting evidence. It’s a difficult process to admit when we’re wrong about things, that our framework may have been fundamentally flawed in its foundations. It’s all a learning process.
I just hope that people will be able to adjust their views over time as new evidence emerges. We’re all in this together and we can support each other along the journey of discovery.
@@AncientPresence No problem at all, there are also people who believe in Santa Claus. Fine with me.
Hello Casey and Milo, Could you please check out a website called, The Land of Chem. Geoffrey Drumm, a thinker of science and archeology, such as yourselves, has presented a theory on the function of the pyramids. Not only the pyramids in Egypt, but all over the world.
I hope that you will correspond with him. Your discussion may answer some long asked questions..
Thank you for your wonderful videos.
Ben deserves an academy award for pretending he never heard of Marietes findings...how quickly he comes up with some dismissive theories tho. You can tell you got too close with facts to his bread and butter grift.
I honestly don't think he was ever aware of them. His sources for the Serapeum are Dunn and the Khemitology spoofers. Is it any wonder he was clueless.
You should get Geoffrey Drumm on, he is respected by SGD and others and has some cool ideas. Ben is a hackfraud.
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Go to bosnia. Three pyramids that predate egypt. And they invite international naysayers to test and help excavate.
They’re simply natural mountains, not pyramids 🤙
Looks like you set out just to rattle bens cage and have a smug sarcastic tone in your voice, hes found his own information, theories and has been one of the only people to actually make these amazing videos showing whats lying around in eygpt on the floor etc that most people had no idea were even their, so can draw their own conclusions and he has since changed his opinion on the seraphim, i think you smug pair have burnt a bridge with him but good luck with your own videos bens channel is brilliant and deserves to discover whether his own theories are floored and if he changes his opinion on stuff im sure he’ll say so. You were trying to call him out for making a career spreading misinformation lets be honest.
Lol. We actually like ben and had no nefarious reason for wanting to talk to him. We met him on our scablands trip and had the idea to do a podcast after we had a great time playing music and hanging with him. Its ok to disagree on things dude - not sure what smugness you are talking about - but we wish Ben a happy and fulfilling life.
@@AncientPresence you just came across slighty arrogant and like you was trying to call him out some of opinions that he has since probably changed his opinion on, his work on the vases is very interesting, i personally dont thing they had big circular saws at work there but perhaps some of the megaliths were already in situ when the dynastics And an inspiration, the tale of two industries has some merit as there are blatant similarities across the central hemisphere when it comes to megaliths l, i meant no offence its just how it come across to me.
Hey there, this is the other half of Ancient Presence 🤙 you might want to go back and watch our 3 part series on Tanis, to get some perspective of where we’re coming from. We used to be totally on board with Ben’s channel and the lost civilization theory (we gave him a shoutout in our Tanis videos) but we gradually changed our opinion over time, especially from having a UA-cam channel where people gave us information that debunked those ideas.
When we were presented with information that proved us wrong, we changed our minds based on evidence. Unfortunately, people like Ben seem to ignore and avoid that type of information. We respect Ben as a fellow friend, explorer and researcher and we’d love to speak with him respectfully about these things, but he’s basically been ignoring us for the past few years. For a guy who calls for open debate, it’s unfortunate that he even avoids us who are his friends, who come with respect and kindness to discuss controversial topics with him.
You may also want to watch our 3 part series on the Serapeum, where we entirely disprove the lost technology / civilization theory about that site. You said Ben had changed his views on the Serapeum, which probably came from our video series. Can you share a link to where he said he changed his views? I’d love to see that.
You may also want to watch Night Scarab’s fantastic video debunking the vases. I’m sure you’ll find it insightful.
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There is always an opposing view to our extraordinary claims, and we should embrace the dissent as a healthy component to the scientific process, rather than avoid the debunkers or shun them away or ridicule them as smug or disrespectful people. Sure, there are feisty, rude and harsh people on the internet who are disproving others’ ideas with no sensitivity or respect, but that is definitely not the approach we’re taking, as we want to discuss these topics respectfully and make healthy connections with people, even if we disagree with them. It’s a shame when there is a disconnect amongst both sides of a disagreement, simply because the other guy was rude and disrespectful. It stops the progress.
It is very healthy to challenge ourselves and listen to dissenters who want to debunk us, even if they are rude about it, because if we’re truly on a quest for truth, then we will see past other peoples’ shortcomings and merely focus on their scientific evidence, not block them out because of their behavior. That is unhealthy and unscientific and I hope over time Ben will embrace the dissent, rather than avoid it. Cheers
Do you really think they hurt ben's feelings? They seemed quite polite to me.
I know the entire archaeological community has rebutted ben and his claims over and over again, the Scientists Against Myths and Night Scarab channels have made entire debunking videos for him. Do you think these have a real toll on him?
_"he has since changed his opinion on the seraphim"_
Really? How so?
A suggestion , let the guest talk
It’s a conversation, not an interview
No we want to hear facts and logic, not BS