I had a conversation with a friend about Devil Fruit origins and we came to the conclusion that maybe it isn’t a specific wish to be a jacket but rather over the millennia as our needs evolved along with us so many different people needed a jacket(using the jacket fruit as an example), that the collective desire physically manifested as a fruit
but the moment you think about some devil fruits like: poison,tremors,darkness,magma,gravity, or some weird ones like kuma's or some zoan ones like marco's or kaido's You just think of how or why would ppl desire or need those kinda stuff
I assumed it was from serial killer thinking of crazy people wanting to wear the skin of other people. So not people wanting to be a jacket, but someone desiring wearing someone else’s skin to ‘become them’.
@@medkiller7638 a hobby or an interest in something over time can turn into an obsession or addiction it’s kinda dives into the topic of Collective Unconsciousness, like with Kuma we talked about how weird it was but when you think about how many people wished that they hand “miracle hands” or to “touch someone and take away all the bad feelings”
@@Darwin-samanot alot, unless you dont need alot of ppl for a df to become real And that was just an ability. For kuma he can repel stuff,kinda fly,and has a (bear,cat..) kinda hands So where or what is the desire that mad this df
Nika might actually have been one of the first Devil Fruit Users. There was something that appeared somewhere saying the power of Nika was the ability to bring imagination into reality.
nika was probably the one who made all of those devil fruits. then imu fought him because nika was going around granting wishes/desires like a lunatic and it was destroying the world. imu is the good guy!
@@Dave_of_Mordor Imo, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" makes some sense for Imu. Especially if after some time his hubris got the better of him
About the Jacket Fruit. I think the Wish what created it was more indirect. The first Brother wished to be more confident, and the elder Brother wanted a stronger Body, cause he was physical weak. So the Jacket Fruit allowes them to overcome there Weaknesses.
Could be as simple as someone desiring a certain body type... 'What would I look like with that body builder's body?' The key word being 'I', since they want to see what they would look like with that body versus turning into that person. Could also be based off the phrase 'Walk a mile in another person's shoes.' A little more abstract, but I could see it. End of the day, the Jacket fruit eater takes control of the person who wears them... that other person's personality and mentality is not a factor. Kelly Funk also said he can control anything that wears him, including animals. So in effect, this comes across as a body image desire without actually transforming into the other person/animal. For example, if his brother Bobby forced a Ox to wear Kelly, does Kelly have to walk on all fours? Or does he just get the strength and toughness of the animal? Puts a new spin on the phrase 'He is as strong as an Ox'. The weird thing is he can not force anyone or anything to wear him, like he can't fling himself at someone and transform into a jacket that wraps around them. It is one of the few devil fruits that needs someone else to manipulate it to be useful. It also needs trust... the person putting on the jacket is effectively helpless. I could also see situations where it would also be a sneaky way of taking hostages to manipulate someone else.. 'You can attack me, but know that your brother is wearing me. If you kill me, you kill them. Am I telling you the truth? Care to find out?'
Meanwhile in Marineford... Marines: How did you get a second Devil Fruit? I heard you can only eat one. Blackbeard: Trust me, there's other ways to realize the legend. BB (inside the veil): I wanna eat your Devil Fruit! I wanna! I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna....
Technically speaking Blackbeard did say that his devil fruit the Yami Yami no Mi has the ability to absorb and completely nullify the powers of other Devil Fruit users by simply touching them.
It’s possible that both this and Tekking’s theory could be true, if we say that the Yami Yami no Mi essentially lets Blackbeard bypass the “desire” requirement and just forcibly absorb the essence of the Devilfruit in the instant that it’s leaving the person’s body and is “in transit”.
I have a feeling The Yami Yami no Mi was in Thatch's hand on purpose to test if Teach would steal the fruit and kill Thatch or not. If Teach decided to let Thatch have it, maybe the fruit might reject Thatch or something might happen to Thatch like he died of poison from the fruit. Now that would shock the Entire Whitebeard Crew but it be interesting twist where Teach seems to be the bad guy but it was the fruit.
I'm still holding on to my headcanon that Bonney was holding a regular fruit and about to eat it. But seconds before she sunk her teeth into it, the original user of the Age Age Fruit died and the fruit Bonney was holding turned into Age Age Fruit without her noticing. That would be hilarious.
If that's the case then the One Piece universe became even MORE terrifying. Imagine if you're chilling on a pool eating some fruit and all of a sudden one turns into a devil fruit so you eat it and then you drown. 😨
7:45 I thought that might have been the case with Bonney, until we got to know the fruit already existed and was catalogued in the Devil Fruit Encyclopedia
I think it's quite possible that all DFs are sentient to some extent, it's just that Zoans are more sentient than other types. Maybe the reason the Yami Yami found its way to Thatch first was because it wanted to "test" Teach, to see if he was evil enough to kill his own crewmate and thus be "worthy" of the power of darkness.
read another similar comment and i couldnt agree more! i even think that luffys devil fruit came to him in a similar fashion, sensing that the kid had the potetial to become ultimately free (which i mean, it HAPPENED with gear 5, sooo...) also, blackbeard and luffy are quite similar in some ways, so maybe them having the same strong will and potential could've made the fruits 'feel' drawn to them
Hey when you talked about Luffy and his desire. He did desire deeply but it was to leave the island and travel with shanks. He deeply desires freedom and that's why it made its way to Luffy.
The Yami-Yami no Mi was supposedly the most evil Devil Fruit so I could see that instead of directly reincarnating into a person it would reincarnate near them but would put itself in a fruit near a friend. So to test how evil they are, they have to kill their friend to get the fruit or lose the chance.
i'm glad someone else came to this conclusion, it would make sooo much sense. also, maybe luffys fruit worked in a similar way, it came to him (protected by shanks, a member of the d clan) because it could sense luffys strong desire to be free (aka him becoming the pirate king), but instead of 'testing' him like the darkness fruit, it saw the potential in luffy to free the world or smth like that idk
I'm surprised you didn't mention the absence of natural light as a prerequisite for the non-fruit power transfer. If Bonney got the powers without eating a fruit then that's one thing that her situation and Blackbeard with the quake fruit have in common edit: and Big Mom and her soul power
Blackbeard is going to be so dangerous when be gets another fruit. It's crazy how oda managed to build this danger in the background and people still don't take him seriously when he gets saved through plot lile luffy constantly. Oda makes it a point to show they are similar.
His crew is already op as it is. It's not like his crew doesn't know haki. They do & now have dangerous df abilities. Notice we haven't seen them fight all together. Can't imagine how chaotic that would be.
I have no idea, Oda seems to be making a point that if Imu isn't gonna be the final villain it's gonna be Blackbeard. and let's bring attention to the fact that we're in a pirate story and people aren't taking the pirate called *BLACKBEARD* seriously
@@umbralowl Oda is going to surprise us. How? No clue, he's Oda, if I could read his mind I would have become rich betting on OP plot, but we an take for granted that he will.
@@umbralowlFacts! Even The Gorosei had to be warned about Blackbeard (presumably) when Shanks met with them; as he also sent a messenger Pre Time Skip to Whitebeard to contact Ace to stop getting further involved with Blackbeard before he gets captured
Oh, I do like that theory as a whole for Bonney. I do not like it for Blackbeard, though, I want the Yami Yami to play a role there, because he waited until getting the Yami Yami to make his move, and he killed Thatch before he ate the fruit. I don't believe anyone in the world wanted the Yami Yami more than Blackbeard, so it would've been much easier to wait for the next battle, like 1 or 2 days tops, and witness how poor Thatch died in his arms after being run through by an enemy who coincidentally used the same type of claws as Blackbeard. Also, it's likely that there are lots of people in the world that wanted Whitebeard's fruit more than him. EDIT: And coming to think of it, they managed to keep the Clear Clear fruit from going straight to Sanji, so the Yami Yami needs to play a role in acquiring these abilities
I just assumed the fruit was hidden among other fruits / foods in the offerings that the church gets every week. Or even it was a normal fruit among those offerings that then turned into the toshi toshi just like how that apple at punk hazard became the axolotl fruit
I like where you’re going with the balance between fate and desire. Adds a lot of context with blackbeards outlook on both meticulously going after what he wants, yet also leaving things to fate. That’s really what his crew is, a bunch of unchecked desires with (so far) pretty good luck
I always imagined that something like the Jacket Jacket fruit was made because someone thought “I want to be in that person’s shoes.” Or “I want to be that person.” Similar to the weirdness of the laundry fruit, “I wish I could cleanse the evil of the world.” That’s my thought process anyhow.
I have thought strangely a lot about the jacket fruit. I think its born from the desire to specifically CONSENTUALLY "be someone else" or see through their eyes or w/e because a person needs to put on you as a jacket or you don't get to be in control.
This. Also the jacket may be (not my theory but current headcanon) about helping someone. Some weirdly specific ones can easily be more metaphorical than others and slightly change depending on the user
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My guess is that Boney was eating a normal fruit and right before she took a bite the fruit changed into a devil fruit and she took a bite before she could react. Or since she was so sheltered for most of her life she saw it in the kitchen and just thought it was a new kind of fruit she had never had before. EDIT: Final idea is that Oda just forgot to include it
This is the version I buy the most, Oda has a tendency to treat things like foregone conclusions these days, like realizing he never revealed the name of Bonney’s fruit. He’s probably treating the way Bonney ate the fruit as not needing a scene because it’s not a mystery, we know she ate it, he’s just skipping to it. Like, we know how she ate it, the same way Luffy did: they’re a glutton and there was food laying around. It’s not the important part. Besides, this is Kuma’s flashback, not Bonney’s. Kuma never saw how she ate that fruit.
I got a theory that all of someone's wishes get put into a fruit. Sugar got a fruit that keeps her young forever so a child could have made that wish or adult who wished to go back to a child. That would make a single fruit Bonney wasn't the first person to wish to be older so the fruit was already in play and probably just found it's way to her. Example is like griffin in berserk using prayers to summon himself but instead it's everyone wishing for a fruit. I mean nika could definitely be that and we know fruits have wills
I feel like Sugars fruit's wish could be something like "I wanna be a kid forever and play with toys", and the wish just got interpreted as the person wanted to be a child, and turn other people into toys as well
@@Dave_of_Mordor Ahhhh...how ironic, I forgot about the memory wipe XD Maybe it's just the world's meta coming in play and erasing the memories? JK How about...."I wanna be a kid forever and play with toys without being bothered" You can say the memory wipe could be the thing that stops the bothering part, since no one would complain about a missing person that they don't remember anything about right?
@@byno3862 you just tried to reach further and add "without being bothered", I think your first one was more accurate "I wanna be a kid forever and play with toys" But the memory wipe I think came as a "side effect" as every devil fruits probably has. which also bring us to the idea of devil fruits are probably something that has to do with "Space" or the "Universe" because think about it, you get turned to a toy, and then every person every where and anywhere literally forgets your history and your existence as a human and even your information. Sugar's power is more dangerous than anyone thinks, It might also be the desire of "I want to erase everyone's memory" but the side effect is that you are a kid forever and you only turn people to toys. Does that sound like a wish that is granted by Earth? Not really which is probably why the sea will take off the power of the person as it does not really exist On earth or should not exist on Earth. Maybe someone's desire to be something was already something that existed in another universe but yet it is a manipulation to bring it on Earth to defy the Nature's law.
I've had a theory for awhile that after you eat a devil fruit, it either replaces or becomes your heart, which is why when Big Mom eats Mother Caramel she got the Soul-Soul Fruit. I've always thought that Blackbeard actually absorbed Whitebeard's heart with the Dark-Dark Fruit before he truly died or before the fruit reincarnated while he was under that sheet. That way he could absorb and have the Quake-Quake Fruit without actually eating it.
Not to take too dark of a turn with this, but what if Blackbeard actually just ate Whitebeards heart? That would also explain how he's replicated this for his crew.
I like the idea of having the manifestion of Devil fruits being layered i.e. 'To desire is like a craving, and to dream is like a hunger.' This could have a pull on how powerful the devil fruit is too.
this would make sm sense, especially when you look (f.e.) at luffy and his ultra strong craving to be the pirate king (=most freedom you can get) and how powerful he and his dream has gotten
My personal theory is that devil fruits evolved through centuries of being eaten. Some fruits have weirdly specific abilities, like the "turn into toy" fruit which has the ability to erase memories as well, for some reason. Maybe the Nika fruit started as the Gum Gum, but because of Joy Boy, it became a Nika fruit.
God did you not read? “Makes them forget their memory for. “”Some reason””” When sugar touches you. She enters you into a contract. That contract she makes. Is what makes the memory altar. It’s almost like you didn’t read the story so you need to make shit up because you didn’t understand it.
For Blackbeard I think the Yami Yami is required for him to grab fruit powers, which is why he wanted it so bad. My idea is that when the fruit power tries to go out to reincarnate he uses the gravity and power nullification to grab the power and put it in someone directly.
That makes more sense to me, since we already have the info that he can pull and nullify devil fruit powers with his fruit. So him being under that cloak meant he was using his fruit to it's full potential and the light wouldn't counteract his fruit.
I don't think it's because of the dark fruit. From what we've seen on Egghead Island, it's been confirmed that devil fruits alter the user on the genetic level. Which is probably why it's considered impossible to have more than one fruit, because the user's body can't handle the complex genetic modifications being done to them. Blackbeard being the only known exception to the rule at the time of writing this. Blackbeard may have desired the fruit because it effectively grants him a basic level of armament haki, but it's probably not the source of his ability to have multiple fruits.
@@Nyrufa Not saying it is why he can have multiple fruits, but it is why he can seemingly take fruit powers from people and give them to others, as it is implied if not stated directly that he has been using the method he used on whitebeard to get the fruit powers for his other crewmates.
Now that I think about it, Bonney was constantly in a place without natural sunlight. What did Blackbeard do before getting Whitebeard's power? Completely cover them in darkness. Blackbeard has always been interested in the darkness fruit, which seem to be able to absorb Devil fruits' powers... Maybe darkness is a key element here. Yeah, im reaching alright haha
The Jacket-Jacket Fruit was probably either someone wishing to provide a jacket to someone else during a winter storm or something but being unable to. Or maybe from a serial killer who desired to wear his victim's flesh.
Will and desire are practically the same word (and for all I know, they may actually BE the same word in Japanese). And "inherited will" is obviously a huge theme of One Piece. Maybe, just maybe, the devil fruits are the incarceration of the desire/will of someone some time long ago and they get continuously "inherited" general after generation by those who eat them... Idk, maybe that's too crazy lol
That’s a decent idea, but there are some differences between the two concepts. For example, I “desire” to eat endless bowls of macaroni and cheese at any time I’m in the mood, but I “will” myself to eat other food because otherwise I’d get fat. So in this sense, my “will” is restraining and overriding my “desire”- which sounds a lot like how the will-powered Haki overrides the effects of Devilfruits born from human desire.
I agree that desire plays a huge part. My head cannon is that is that the cloak Blackbeard used prevents the fruit to see beyond the cloak. So the fruit could only appear within the cloaks range
Talking about desire, I remember the CP9 fruits and they kind of make sense. Kaku freaking LOVES giraffes and Kalifa's fruit also fits strangely enough, but it wouldn't work the other way around.
I just thought of something funny: with how often DFs must end up in the ocean, I wonder how many times sea life (fish, sea kings, etc.) have eaten DFs (not knowing what they are), gained powers, and then immediately drowned. Or I guess not drown, since Jack is a fish man and a DF user and he can still breathe underwater but just can’t move.
@@johnnoreau3570Dude you yourself are spreading oldest/biggest misconception about One Piece. Sea water is not special, any water affects DF users all the same. Just google “sbs vol 41” and look for “water” in questions. I swear to god, it’s been 15 years and people still get it wrong.
@@johnnoreau3570 , when Jack is thrown in to the ocean at the end of Zou, he is stuck at the bottom of the ocean, unable to move but still able to breathe. I never said he could move underwater.
I hope Oda reveals something crazy like, “your heart turns into the devil fruit when you eat it” so Blackbeard ate Whitebeards heart to get the guru guru no mi
When you said that human desires don’t die, it reminded me of the iconic Blackbeard line from his introduction (ie. peoples dreams never end)… just putting that out there
i always thought of the "desire" for the fruits would typically be someone's dying wish, being more like a deal with a devil by bringing the fruit into the world while bonding the soul onto the fruit. idk if oda would go that mystical with it tho but that feels like the most common way of that much desire being present to straight up change reality
or maybe a bunch of people had all the same desire and bc of the combined power of their will, a fruit started to form. maybe luffys fruit was formed millenias ago by either someone with a strong enough will for freedom or many people were in pain and begged and cried for freedom (which could be very likely, given how fucked up the world is) and thus it came the reality
I think what Luffy desired was freedom, which is what the Gomu Gomu no Mi (Nika fruit) embodies, so I think Luffy’s desire may actually have played a role in him receiving it. On another note, consider that Luffy was able to access fire after Ace’s death (Red Hawk, etc.), and Law was able to utilize Corazon’s power after his death (he used his room to cut off all sound around Big Mom). Perhaps these aren’t simple homages, but instead legitimate hints to the nature of Devil Fruits.
In the case for law's fruit, maybe they can't desire the fruit itself but instead what it represents. Blackbeard desired the power of earthquake NOT the earthquake fruit
I think it is also possible that some fruits pull people who would want them. For instance, the Meru-Meru Fruit would definitely be wanted by a lot of people, but it set up a situation where the two people in the world who would want it the most - Sabo and Luffy - would pull up to acquire it. Clearly, Luffy couldn't eat it since he already had the Gomu Gomu no Mi, but it was Ace's so he would have wanted it as a keepsake. Same with Sabo. Part of Ace's desire (his Will of Desire) was to protect his brother (Luffy), right, because he couldn't his other brother (Sabo)? That was imparted upon the fruit and drew the two of them into to get it from Doflamingo. Basically, I am theorizing sometimes fruits will manipulate situations to get themselves to those the fruits themselves perceive to be the right owner (Luffy, Bonney, Ace, Tsuru's granddaughter and her Dommy Mommy fruit).
I love thinking about hypothetical devil fruits like maybe a paramecia that is like the shape shape fruit that allows you to shapeshift into any object you touch and the awakening allows for shapeshifting into living beings too
The fact that Tekking said Desire like 50 times in this video and didnt flashbang us with Desire from the Silver Mine filler arc everytime he says Desire is a sin.
Desire, desire is the key word for these devil fruits, it's very possible that some occurances happen where when a devil fruit user dies, it could reincarnate its power into someone with the strongest desire to have that certain power, what blackbeard could've done is known about the devil inside whitebeard, so using a cloak to shroud it with blackbeard could've been the key to show off blackbeards pure desire to obtain the tremor tremor fruit once whitebeard died
I just re-read chapter 22 and Giamon’s island had 6 treasure chests on it, 5 on a cliff and 1 he got stuck in could that island have had what happened to god valley in the distance past
When the Blackbeard pirates killed Absalom Sanji already archived the ability to turn invisible through the raid suite. Therefore I assume that he did not desire the fruit anymore, because he already got its abilities.
I like the rhyme: If you want the power enough And you desire it every day We can find Absalom and kill him And you'll get it right away And Rustage said Tekking isn't a rapper
I think either we didnt see Boney eat the fruit because right now we are going through Kuma's memories or because the explanation is simple and the fruit manifested by desire :O
When you mentioned Totoland, it got me thinking…what are the chances that so many of Big Mom’s kids have food related fruits? Even Oven, he can bake everything Cracker and Katakuri make. Is it possible that Big Mom is a little insane (hunger pangs) because her desires are so strong that they drew all these Devil Fruits to her but also that she’s so greedy that she got the power to, essentially, Force People To Share. That’s what her Devil Fruit does, it allows her to share anything from life to their very soul
It is possible that if you have a high desire for a fruit but not enough for it to physically mainfest into you. Then the fruit will just so happen to eventually end up near you. For example, if you really want to turn into fire and you are the person in the world who wants to turn into fire the most but still not enouugh for it to manifest into. Then maybey. when the user of the fruit dies, one of your buddies will just so happen to find the mera mera no mi and tell you to check it out. Or maybey some random marine will find it in the grand line and take it back to headquarters but will end up in a "convinent" storm and crash at your island. Another sub theory, maybey some people don't speccifically desire the powers of a specific fruit, but they desire the attributes of that said fruit. SO that fruit will try to find its way to that person after the already existing user dies. For example , Alvita, she obviously had no desire to become a smooth person that will bounce off bullets and stuff. But what she may have desired was to be more lean and good looking. Therefore the fruit tried to find its way to her even though she didn't desire for the powers of said fruit but what she will gain from it. Also adding onto that luffies fruit represents freedom. And although luffy might not have even knew it, he wanted devil fruit that would give him the most freedom. The nika nika no mi is probably the most "random bullshit go" fruit in the entire series. so maybey the fruit saw luffy as a good host mixed with the fact of how he wanted to become the freest of the seas. So, he just so happened to be buddies with the person who had that fruit (shanks) and shanks being the mentally disabled person he is. Left the fruit just so happening to lay on the counter. For luffy to eat freely. Also luffies fruit was origally the gum gum fruit until (Im unsure how it become nika-nika fruit because Im not caught up to one piece) but the fruit was origanlly so much weeker because luffy thought that he was a rubber person. Thus, he imagined he was a rubber person and thought he could do nothing else. This adds onto what tneking said that some or maybey even most fruits become more powerful depending on how the user interprets the abbilities or what is told. You could eat a fruit that litterally allows you to do nothing but turn into coffee. But maybey someone will convince you after you eat it that you ate a fruit that turns you into not coffee but oil. If you belive this then your coffee body may become extremely hot and dangerous. Then another person eats the coffee fruit and someone tells them they have the coffee fruit. Thus the coffee fruit becomes ten times weeker than it could have been if you believed it was mroe powerful than it was (This was a really geeky deep dive and im sorry for the length. Im also not caught up to one piece (In skypia) and most of what i came up with is from the wiki and youtube videos so sorry if you can easily disprove this.)
I think the simplest explanation is the correct one. Bonney ate it randomly off screen shortly before the scenes in the chapter. Blackbeard just had a fruit, knew the gura gura no mi would reincarnate into the fruit and ate it. The sentience stuff to me seems more like the zoan fruits bring themselves into positions they want to be in, however that might work. "Controlling their own fate" etc
I am wondering whether Ivankov acquired his devil fruit power by eating the fruit or through some other means, as explained by you. Since Ivankov likes to draw attention to himself and make himself even more noticeable, it is possible that he obtained his power differently. However, I vaguely remember him saying that he "ate" his fruit. Love your videos btw.
your theory would also explain why most devil fruit (user)-locations fit their surroundings. because you can only desire something you know and you generally desire things you have to do with, so if you live in the sky, you have a lot to do with thunder and you may desire the ability to control thunder. or if you live in a region that has everything to do with food, you may want to control that food you are surrounded with.
I think there's some confusion between desiring power or control and desire in general. I think the Hito Hito no Mi: Sungod Nika chose Luffy because of Luffy's innate desire to be the most free. The fruit literally allows him to do whatever he wants. Luffy never desired power or control over anything, other then his own fate and adventure. If you think about it, it makes sense that a lot of fruits align with the desires of their holders, like Doflamingo's desire to manipulate everyone and everything around him, like a puppet master. It allows him to quite literally pull the strings from behind the scenes. It makes sense now how so many character seem to fit their devil fruits, or rather how the fruits fit their personalities. I think paramecia are weird because sometimes people's desires are more.. I dunno, esoteric? They're not a clear-cut concept. Perhaps that's why we see some concepts manifest in weaker and stronger versions. The desire behind the fruits could be very similair. Perhaps something like the Jacket Jacket fruit is born from a desire to control others or to use someone's strength. Or.. to be worn like a jacket, I suppose? The Numa-Numa no Mi (swamp fruit) could be a desire to steal and keep anything your heart desires, the Kira-Kira no mi (diamond fruit) could be the desire to become invulnerable. Also, this entire time we're throwing around the word Desire.. so.. is that.. the will of D? The will of Desire? I, mean it's as good of a candidate for any other "D" word, I guess? This still makes me question how on earth you put a Devil fruit into a object because it doesn't make sense for a object having desire.
An Italian youtube I follow, who seems to get a lot of things right (and has been following since the beginning + really knowledgeable about manga in general), says that it's most likely not about "the meaning" of the D., and that's not even important. Dawn? Desire? Both (or maybe none). Or even D as the smiling face, literally, especially since laughters *literally* power stuff in OP. 100% agree with some desires being more metaphorical (and probably more fruits fitting different kinds of desires, I could see Mingo's fruit used to patch up and fix, but he was the one with an extremely strong desire around, it fitted strings and ended up crossing the fruit's path)
@@mattia_carciola I guess so. Doffy's whole thing seems more akin to creating chaos and controlling others rather then to fix anything, though I guess he did manage to fix his own damage after Law's attack.
I like the theory that paramecias are the dreams of people, zoans are the dreams of animals, and logia’s are the dreams of nature. It would explain why zoan awakenings can take over their user, and also would explain why Vegapunk can’t copy a logia.
Remember when Teach confronting Ace back at Banaro Island. He said : " I've been Looking up for this DF for decades. But my crewmate ended up as the one who found it. I had no other choise but to kill Thach since the rule on the ship was finder keepers. But i tell you, this power choses me, Ace. " Honestly, if DF really has their own will, and The Yami Yami no Mi was known as The most evil DF in history, it make a lot of sense if we asumed, The DF sensed Teach has whishing for it for so long, but the fruit itself deliberately showed itself in front of Thatch, not because Thatch wishing for it, but it doing this as A TEST for Teach wether he was worthy to hold its power or not, by any mean nacesary, which is killing his own crewmate.
I feel like Vegapunk is sort of an anti-hero. He has good intentions but he cares about himself and his research. He would not pressure Kuma if his offer was rejected but he basically said "I will cure your daughter if you help me make clones of you". He does not really have any allegiances and will side with anyone as long as it means he is saving people (according to him). He is in a race for more knowledge and power. In the worst case scenario, if Vegapunk was not able to cure Bonney, Bonney would die and Kuma would have already participated in the reasearch. Also, I do not know if Vegapunk knew about the rest but later Kuma not only made clones of himself, he became a cyborg and lost his emotions, memory and personality. However, I like the idea that Pacifistas were originally supposed to promote peace and non-violence.
13:01 ManI miss the sketchs Tekking was doing way back then. This would have been the perfect spot of him sitting in the dark on starring at a light bulb :(
Here's a video idea to potentially go along with all these flashbacks we're having in the story. Putting the timeline into context of what things were going on at/around the same time. For example: the same year the Rocks Pirates disbanded(38 years ago), Charlotte Mont-d'Or was born as Big Mom's 30th kid, and the Katakuri and Brûlée flashback of her getting the face scar happened (when they were 10 and 5). Was that incident related to the transition. Would be even more fun to just use the Charlotte family as the timeline, since they had been born so regularly. Show which characters are the same age as which Charlotte, which Charlotte was born when Roger was executed, when Luffy got his hat, when Fisher Tiger was doing his thing, when Doffy completed his orphaning personally. How old was Katakuri when _ happened?
You can actually get pretty deep into the generation of devil fruits. If you go by human desire, you don't really need them to be that specific, you can get into more "visceral desires". Instead of "I really want to control fire/lighting/general logias", it could be a somewhat sadder but realistic cry for help during natural disasters, for instance. That also matches with the weird amount of food related devil fruits, as food scarcity would be a big factor into motivating people into wanting change around them.
My theory on bb's fruit is that it did choose him but used thatch as a test to see how evil bb really was and would he kill his friend for his desire..
Hey tekking, Would you plus consider this: I noticed your theory about a force spreading in the user works well with Blackbeard's power to essentially shut down devil fruit powers (Blkbrd Vs. Ace Ch.441), he just concentrates the essence at the point he touches. He even explained (at least in German translation) "it also attracts/sucks in devil fruit powers" just before almost breaking ace's neck.
So my personal theory is that the individual’s heart becomes the devil fruit after they eat it, and there’s a buffer period before the fruit reincarnates. Blackbeard ate whitebeard’s heart Shiryu ate absalom’s And big mom ate mother caramel, heart included For Bonney, I wouldn’t be shocked if a CD wanted to see what would happen if a newborn was fed a devil fruit that could instantly turn them into a fully grown slave
LOVING this whole theory, I am thinking its more about Desiring the philosophy behind the fruits first user too but everything else is awesome PS. Vegeta would get the super-super saiyan fruit earlier than becoming super saiyan himself
Now that you brought up Nami's tangerines (pun intended) and the snow fruit I thought of something really interesting! It would make sense for Nami to eat the fruit, because it kinda goes along with the weather theme for Nami's abilities. Now not only she would control thunder and rain, but now she should be able to control snow. But there's a way to give the fruit to objects, right? What if Vegapunk gives the snow fruit to Nami's clima tact! That would be so cool and it will just enchance Nami's weapon and it would make total sense!
Assuming it got along with Zeus as a product of the Soul Soul fruit, I assume he could then kind of drive the power himself. That'd be a pretty crazy complete power boost for Nami.
Hey Tekking you should do a series where you fill in the blanks for us. You are very imaginative, and I am curious to see what you think happened that kept Bon Clay Alive, or what happened in the gap of time in egghead. Basically, your cannon for any gap. Could also do smaller videos for Pell showing back up.
Listening to what Tekking was saying I got an idea. When a devil fruit user dies, the essence | soul | entity | power seeps out and actually travels through some medium to locate a new fruit to inhabit. Now what Blackbeard does, He traps the dying body of the user in his pocket dimension of his Yami Yami no mi long enough to prevent the essence of the fruit from travelling to the outside world. Blackbeard can then contain the essence in the pocket dimension for later distribution or just has a basket of fruit or something in the there to be inhabited. Maybe for Bonney, She being a glutton ate the Age Age fruit among the many other things she had on her plate. It chose to reincarnate into a fruit Bonney was about to eat.
Video idea: I think it'd be cool if you did a geography is everything video, but you go into detail on just what makes geography so important, especially in the world of one piece. I think this would give people more appreciation for you g.i.e series. Especially since a lot of your audience is kids who don't understand transportation, economy, and how geography interconnect it all. Keep up the good work.
Tekking, you've gotten so close to a large branching theory that I've built over years, and you've gotten so close to it many times now. Luffy getting the Nika-Nika fruit could've not been him wanting the 'Power of the Sun' but rather his desire to be the free-est man, and thus the fruit tried steering its fate that way. I think All Devil Fruits have some little ability to do so, which is how so many Devil Fruits end up in seemingly the perfect or best host for them. Vegapunk and his Brain Fruit, Law and his Op Op Fruit, an animal getting the Human Fruit, a Marine getting the Buddah Fruit, ect. And I think Oda showed us this in the very beginning of the series! Luffy found the Gomu-Gomu Fruit in a treasure chest. Aren't treasure chests usually locked when they have treasure in them? I dont remember Shank's crew showing off their treasures to the bar-goers. I think the Nika Fruit used some of its light influence to open the chest so Luffy would see and then eat the fruit! It steered its own fate enough to find a suitable user for its powers
Bro i had the coolest idea about this. So basically i had this head canon that a skypiean kid had a really strong desire to be a great warrior like kalgara. Then that manifests into the hito hito no mi model kalgara and the abilities were based of kalgaras adaptation to new things. This is based of like him warming up to noland and getting rid of old traditions. The base of the ability is adapting and copying both devil fruit and non devil fruit attacks. The second ability was where the world adapted to let the user survive. For instance a fireball is flying at sumone and randomly the wind of the world blows it off trajectory. I just wanted to share this idea i had and finally got the chance.
Theory: Devil Fruits were created by the ancient clan from their desires. They most likely gave a wish to a magic tree (maybe Adam Tree?) and the tree gave them back a fruit for whichever power they desired. That’s why we see random ass df like jacket fruit and butter fruit but also sick ones like darkness and gravity. The ancient people got to select whatever they power they wanted, but when they die their powers are reincarnated back into a fruit. This allows those peoples desires to live forever. Or in Blackbeard’s words “People’s Dreams never end!”
Crazy how Rustage made the roulette fruit in DnD that has a specific function past the roulette counter to make a fruit with whatever power you desire. Good call on his part
Maybe imu sama is the reason they are born into fruits instead of born straight into somebodys soul , like maybe Imu has an ability to control rules and he changed the rule to make the powers go into fruits instead of not being able to control all the abilities.
Your theory for desire being the key factor to create a devil fruit actually explains the jacket jacket fruit. In a world where so many people grow up in poverty and war torn countries the desire to have a jacket to keep a child or younger sibling warm is a strong enough desire to create a seemingly useless devil fruit.
Video idea: What if Yamato and Carrot joined the Straw Hats? I know Egghead isn’t over yet, it can be a fun discussion on what they do leading up to Egghead and what they do once they get there
Let me regale you with a tale about flow charts.. as somebody who has spent about 15 years playing roleplaying games (similar to DnD but text based.) So basically.. what you do is? Get a shield and then go Chariot Tackle > Chariot Tackle > Chariot Tackle > Chariot Tackle. Eventually? If you Chariot Tackle enough times, you'll hit your opponent atleast once!
I just realized how the Jacket-Jacket fruit was created. Everyone makes fun of it like "Who would ever wanna be a jacket?" I pose to you, dear reader, that whoever it was just saw an incredibly attractive person in a jacket. Like Sandra Bullock, or Mila Jovovich, or Chris Pratt. And just the thought of "I would give anything to be that jacket." Went through their head and BOOM!
I always thought how blackbeard got whitebeards fruit was because of the yami yami no mi and he wanted it specifically for that reason. Since he can nullify DF powers maybe he could suck the power into his darkness and let it out whenever he wants to use it
Also have to think they want it so much they don't care to lose the ability to swim. I think that's why Sanji didn't get it when it transfer. I also think he wants to see the all blue or help his captain more.
Remember when Burgess wanted to get aces fruit after he already ate it ? He pulled a knife as a non knife fighter with weird wholes in it. Felt like a hint like when Releigh used ryouu training luffy. Maybe the knife is an invention of vegapunk since he can definitly extract DV powers.
I'm pretty sure you have to eat the heart of the user, Bug Mom ate Mother Caramel whole and got her powers, maybe it doesn't have to be the whole body, maybe a specific part, and I'd bet on the heart, the organ that represents love and desire, emotion. Would explain the knife, carving out the heart of the target, Blackbeard could have eaten Whitebeard's heart under the cloth, and he wouldn't need to damage the body much since there was already a hole in WB's chest.
@@phelps6205 I've thought the same but lean more brain than heart which both can work since both were conveniently exposed with whitebeard and i can see df users brains having the same spiral groves that the fruit has but heart makes more sense with blackbeards jolly roger having a spear stabbing a heart.
I had a conversation with a friend about Devil Fruit origins and we came to the conclusion that maybe it isn’t a specific wish to be a jacket but rather over the millennia as our needs evolved along with us so many different people needed a jacket(using the jacket fruit as an example), that the collective desire physically manifested as a fruit
but the moment you think about some devil fruits like: poison,tremors,darkness,magma,gravity, or some weird ones like kuma's or some zoan ones like marco's or kaido's
You just think of how or why would ppl desire or need those kinda stuff
I assumed it was from serial killer thinking of crazy people wanting to wear the skin of other people. So not people wanting to be a jacket, but someone desiring wearing someone else’s skin to ‘become them’.
@@medkiller7638some one could wish they could repel peoples pain
@@medkiller7638 a hobby or an interest in something over time can turn into an obsession or addiction it’s kinda dives into the topic of Collective Unconsciousness, like with Kuma we talked about how weird it was but when you think about how many people wished that they hand “miracle hands” or to “touch someone and take away all the bad feelings”
@@Darwin-samanot alot, unless you dont need alot of ppl for a df to become real
And that was just an ability. For kuma he can repel stuff,kinda fly,and has a (bear,cat..) kinda hands
So where or what is the desire that mad this df
Nika might actually have been one of the first Devil Fruit Users. There was something that appeared somewhere saying the power of Nika was the ability to bring imagination into reality.
nika was probably the one who made all of those devil fruits. then imu fought him because nika was going around granting wishes/desires like a lunatic and it was destroying the world. imu is the good guy!
@@Dave_of_Mordor interesting take, it would make sense if it will end up with this twist
@@Dave_of_Mordor Imo, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" makes some sense for Imu. Especially if after some time his hubris got the better of him
@@candiedskull9841 this what i thought too. he probably started off good, then got corrupted because no one is there to check him
Nika is about freedom and Liberation though.
About the Jacket Fruit. I think the Wish what created it was more indirect. The first Brother wished to be more confident, and the elder Brother wanted a stronger Body, cause he was physical weak. So the Jacket Fruit allowes them to overcome there Weaknesses.
Someone saw prime Garp wearing a jacket and wished to be worn by him like a jacket
Could be as simple as someone desiring a certain body type... 'What would I look like with that body builder's body?' The key word being 'I', since they want to see what they would look like with that body versus turning into that person.
Could also be based off the phrase 'Walk a mile in another person's shoes.' A little more abstract, but I could see it.
End of the day, the Jacket fruit eater takes control of the person who wears them... that other person's personality and mentality is not a factor. Kelly Funk also said he can control anything that wears him, including animals. So in effect, this comes across as a body image desire without actually transforming into the other person/animal. For example, if his brother Bobby forced a Ox to wear Kelly, does Kelly have to walk on all fours? Or does he just get the strength and toughness of the animal? Puts a new spin on the phrase 'He is as strong as an Ox'.
The weird thing is he can not force anyone or anything to wear him, like he can't fling himself at someone and transform into a jacket that wraps around them. It is one of the few devil fruits that needs someone else to manipulate it to be useful. It also needs trust... the person putting on the jacket is effectively helpless. I could also see situations where it would also be a sneaky way of taking hostages to manipulate someone else.. 'You can attack me, but know that your brother is wearing me. If you kill me, you kill them. Am I telling you the truth? Care to find out?'
Meanwhile in Marineford...
Marines: How did you get a second Devil Fruit? I heard you can only eat one.
Blackbeard: Trust me, there's other ways to realize the legend.
BB (inside the veil): I wanna eat your Devil Fruit! I wanna! I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna....
😂
It just sounds like a stupid theory to me.
I wonder how Blackbeard's disney princess "I want" song will go
I wanna be a super Saiyan! I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna!
💀💀💀😭😭😭
Technically speaking Blackbeard did say that his devil fruit the Yami Yami no Mi has the ability to absorb and completely nullify the powers of other Devil Fruit users by simply touching them.
And it amplifies in the dark so he strengthened the power with the dark cloak
It’s possible that both this and Tekking’s theory could be true, if we say that the Yami Yami no Mi essentially lets Blackbeard bypass the “desire” requirement and just forcibly absorb the essence of the Devilfruit in the instant that it’s leaving the person’s body and is “in transit”.
makes sense@@Candoran
my head cannon is that the yami yami no mi just draws in the devil in a devil fruit instead of letting it reincarnate, drawn in like a black hole
I have a feeling The Yami Yami no Mi was in Thatch's hand on purpose to test if Teach would steal the fruit and kill Thatch or not. If Teach decided to let Thatch have it, maybe the fruit might reject Thatch or something might happen to Thatch like he died of poison from the fruit. Now that would shock the Entire Whitebeard Crew but it be interesting twist where Teach seems to be the bad guy but it was the fruit.
I'm still holding on to my headcanon that Bonney was holding a regular fruit and about to eat it. But seconds before she sunk her teeth into it, the original user of the Age Age Fruit died and the fruit Bonney was holding turned into Age Age Fruit without her noticing. That would be hilarious.
I just don’t think this other convoluted ass theory is necessary. Sometimes Tekking tries too hard, the original nearest fruit theory was fine…
If that's the case then the One Piece universe became even MORE terrifying. Imagine if you're chilling on a pool eating some fruit and all of a sudden one turns into a devil fruit so you eat it and then you drown. 😨
She is the glutton, i don't know why is so hard to think that she just ate one without notice.
@@Halcon_SierrenoThat has got to be the unluckiest person if it ever happened
Yup and that occured while she was catching her breath while she was jogging imo then proceeded to run fast and became an adult in the process lol
7:45 I thought that might have been the case with Bonney, until we got to know the fruit already existed and was catalogued in the Devil Fruit Encyclopedia
I think it's quite possible that all DFs are sentient to some extent, it's just that Zoans are more sentient than other types. Maybe the reason the Yami Yami found its way to Thatch first was because it wanted to "test" Teach, to see if he was evil enough to kill his own crewmate and thus be "worthy" of the power of darkness.
Whole "the one ring" situation going on.
read another similar comment and i couldnt agree more!
i even think that luffys devil fruit came to him in a similar fashion, sensing that the kid had the potetial to become ultimately free (which i mean, it HAPPENED with gear 5, sooo...)
also, blackbeard and luffy are quite similar in some ways, so maybe them having the same strong will and potential could've made the fruits 'feel' drawn to them
Hey when you talked about Luffy and his desire. He did desire deeply but it was to leave the island and travel with shanks. He deeply desires freedom and that's why it made its way to Luffy.
that works so well, I agree
The Yami-Yami no Mi was supposedly the most evil Devil Fruit so I could see that instead of directly reincarnating into a person it would reincarnate near them but would put itself in a fruit near a friend. So to test how evil they are, they have to kill their friend to get the fruit or lose the chance.
Thatch didn't even have to die. They could've made a deal.
Maybe the darkness fruit did come to Blackbeard via his want for it, but had to test his resolve with Thatch having it before him.
i'm glad someone else came to this conclusion, it would make sooo much sense.
also, maybe luffys fruit worked in a similar way, it came to him (protected by shanks, a member of the d clan) because it could sense luffys strong desire to be free (aka him becoming the pirate king), but instead of 'testing' him like the darkness fruit, it saw the potential in luffy to free the world or smth like that idk
I'm surprised you didn't mention the absence of natural light as a prerequisite for the non-fruit power transfer. If Bonney got the powers without eating a fruit then that's one thing that her situation and Blackbeard with the quake fruit have in common edit: and Big Mom and her soul power
Bonney ate a devil fruit and didn’t realize she ate a devil fruit, she has a huge appetite. It’s not that complicated.
Idk why he came up with this stupid ass theory.
Blackbeard is going to be so dangerous when be gets another fruit. It's crazy how oda managed to build this danger in the background and people still don't take him seriously when he gets saved through plot lile luffy constantly.
Oda makes it a point to show they are similar.
His crew is already op as it is. It's not like his crew doesn't know haki. They do & now have dangerous df abilities. Notice we haven't seen them fight all together. Can't imagine how chaotic that would be.
@@davidortiz3094 As far as we know maybe even *too* chaotic. I mean, Blackbeard really made a point of having a Xebec fetish...
I have no idea, Oda seems to be making a point that if Imu isn't gonna be the final villain it's gonna be Blackbeard. and let's bring attention to the fact that we're in a pirate story and people aren't taking the pirate called *BLACKBEARD* seriously
@@umbralowl Oda is going to surprise us. How? No clue, he's Oda, if I could read his mind I would have become rich betting on OP plot, but we an take for granted that he will.
@@umbralowlFacts! Even The Gorosei had to be warned about Blackbeard (presumably) when Shanks met with them; as he also sent a messenger Pre Time Skip to Whitebeard to contact Ace to stop getting further involved with Blackbeard before he gets captured
Oh, I do like that theory as a whole for Bonney.
I do not like it for Blackbeard, though, I want the Yami Yami to play a role there, because he waited until getting the Yami Yami to make his move, and he killed Thatch before he ate the fruit. I don't believe anyone in the world wanted the Yami Yami more than Blackbeard, so it would've been much easier to wait for the next battle, like 1 or 2 days tops, and witness how poor Thatch died in his arms after being run through by an enemy who coincidentally used the same type of claws as Blackbeard. Also, it's likely that there are lots of people in the world that wanted Whitebeard's fruit more than him.
EDIT: And coming to think of it, they managed to keep the Clear Clear fruit from going straight to Sanji, so the Yami Yami needs to play a role in acquiring these abilities
That actually make sense
I just assumed the fruit was hidden among other fruits / foods in the offerings that the church gets every week. Or even it was a normal fruit among those offerings that then turned into the toshi toshi just like how that apple at punk hazard became the axolotl fruit
I like where you’re going with the balance between fate and desire. Adds a lot of context with blackbeards outlook on both meticulously going after what he wants, yet also leaving things to fate. That’s really what his crew is, a bunch of unchecked desires with (so far) pretty good luck
I always imagined that something like the Jacket Jacket fruit was made because someone thought “I want to be in that person’s shoes.” Or “I want to be that person.” Similar to the weirdness of the laundry fruit, “I wish I could cleanse the evil of the world.” That’s my thought process anyhow.
I have thought strangely a lot about the jacket fruit. I think its born from the desire to specifically CONSENTUALLY "be someone else" or see through their eyes or w/e because a person needs to put on you as a jacket or you don't get to be in control.
This. Also the jacket may be (not my theory but current headcanon) about helping someone. Some weirdly specific ones can easily be more metaphorical than others and slightly change depending on the user
A common misconception is that One Piece began after the fall of Constantinople.
In actuality, One Piece started serialization in the time before time, on the mysterious island of Mata Nui. When six canisters washed ashore on a golden beach and new and powerful legends were born. Tahu, courageous Toa of Fire; Lewa, agile Toa of Air; Gali, noble Toa of Water; Kopaka, powerful Toa of Ice; Onua, wise Toa of Earth; teamed with Pohatu, mighty Toa of Stone. They battled the darkness of evil Makuta and the terrible menaces he unleashed that threatened the Toa and the world.
WTF did i just read?
@@shivam77043 your brain on drugs
My guess is that Boney was eating a normal fruit and right before she took a bite the fruit changed into a devil fruit and she took a bite before she could react. Or since she was so sheltered for most of her life she saw it in the kitchen and just thought it was a new kind of fruit she had never had before.
EDIT: Final idea is that Oda just forgot to include it
This is the version I buy the most, Oda has a tendency to treat things like foregone conclusions these days, like realizing he never revealed the name of Bonney’s fruit. He’s probably treating the way Bonney ate the fruit as not needing a scene because it’s not a mystery, we know she ate it, he’s just skipping to it. Like, we know how she ate it, the same way Luffy did: they’re a glutton and there was food laying around. It’s not the important part.
Besides, this is Kuma’s flashback, not Bonney’s. Kuma never saw how she ate that fruit.
I got a theory that all of someone's wishes get put into a fruit. Sugar got a fruit that keeps her young forever so a child could have made that wish or adult who wished to go back to a child. That would make a single fruit
Bonney wasn't the first person to wish to be older so the fruit was already in play and probably just found it's way to her.
Example is like griffin in berserk using prayers to summon himself but instead it's everyone wishing for a fruit. I mean nika could definitely be that and we know fruits have wills
I feel like Sugars fruit's wish could be something like "I wanna be a kid forever and play with toys", and the wish just got interpreted as the person wanted to be a child, and turn other people into toys as well
@@byno3862 where did the memory wipe come from?
@@Dave_of_Mordor Ahhhh...how ironic, I forgot about the memory wipe XD Maybe it's just the world's meta coming in play and erasing the memories? JK How about...."I wanna be a kid forever and play with toys without being bothered" You can say the memory wipe could be the thing that stops the bothering part, since no one would complain about a missing person that they don't remember anything about right?
@@byno3862 you just tried to reach further and add "without being bothered", I think your first one was more accurate "I wanna be a kid forever and play with toys" But the memory wipe I think came as a "side effect" as every devil fruits probably has.
which also bring us to the idea of devil fruits are probably something that has to do with "Space" or the "Universe" because think about it, you get turned to a toy, and then every person every where and anywhere literally forgets your history and your existence as a human and even your information.
Sugar's power is more dangerous than anyone thinks, It might also be the desire of "I want to erase everyone's memory" but the side effect is that you are a kid forever and you only turn people to toys.
Does that sound like a wish that is granted by Earth? Not really which is probably why the sea will take off the power of the person as it does not really exist On earth or should not exist on Earth.
Maybe someone's desire to be something was already something that existed in another universe but yet it is a manipulation to bring it on Earth to defy the Nature's law.
Who wishes for griffin lmao
I've had a theory for awhile that after you eat a devil fruit, it either replaces or becomes your heart, which is why when Big Mom eats Mother Caramel she got the Soul-Soul Fruit. I've always thought that Blackbeard actually absorbed Whitebeard's heart with the Dark-Dark Fruit before he truly died or before the fruit reincarnated while he was under that sheet. That way he could absorb and have the Quake-Quake Fruit without actually eating it.
Not to take too dark of a turn with this, but what if Blackbeard actually just ate Whitebeards heart? That would also explain how he's replicated this for his crew.
that would explain his "strange anatomy" (or smth similar oda stated), bc what if he has two or more hearts rn in his body???
I like the idea of having the manifestion of Devil fruits being layered i.e. 'To desire is like a craving, and to dream is like a hunger.' This could have a pull on how powerful the devil fruit is too.
this would make sm sense, especially when you look (f.e.) at luffy and his ultra strong craving to be the pirate king (=most freedom you can get) and how powerful he and his dream has gotten
My personal theory is that devil fruits evolved through centuries of being eaten. Some fruits have weirdly specific abilities, like the "turn into toy" fruit which has the ability to erase memories as well, for some reason. Maybe the Nika fruit started as the Gum Gum, but because of Joy Boy, it became a Nika fruit.
I've seen this brought up a lot and definitely makes sense
Kinda like black swords,where the users will permanently changes the thing in question?
God did you not read? “Makes them forget their memory for. “”Some reason”””
When sugar touches you. She enters you into a contract. That contract she makes. Is what makes the memory altar. It’s almost like you didn’t read the story so you need to make shit up because you didn’t understand it.
For Blackbeard I think the Yami Yami is required for him to grab fruit powers, which is why he wanted it so bad. My idea is that when the fruit power tries to go out to reincarnate he uses the gravity and power nullification to grab the power and put it in someone directly.
That makes more sense to me, since we already have the info that he can pull and nullify devil fruit powers with his fruit. So him being under that cloak meant he was using his fruit to it's full potential and the light wouldn't counteract his fruit.
I don't think it's because of the dark fruit. From what we've seen on Egghead Island, it's been confirmed that devil fruits alter the user on the genetic level. Which is probably why it's considered impossible to have more than one fruit, because the user's body can't handle the complex genetic modifications being done to them. Blackbeard being the only known exception to the rule at the time of writing this. Blackbeard may have desired the fruit because it effectively grants him a basic level of armament haki, but it's probably not the source of his ability to have multiple fruits.
@@Nyrufa Not saying it is why he can have multiple fruits, but it is why he can seemingly take fruit powers from people and give them to others, as it is implied if not stated directly that he has been using the method he used on whitebeard to get the fruit powers for his other crewmates.
Now that I think about it, Bonney was constantly in a place without natural sunlight. What did Blackbeard do before getting Whitebeard's power? Completely cover them in darkness. Blackbeard has always been interested in the darkness fruit, which seem to be able to absorb Devil fruits' powers... Maybe darkness is a key element here. Yeah, im reaching alright haha
Blackbeard's fruit is a dark logia, so him being civer by darkness might activate the full potential of his powers.
The Jacket-Jacket Fruit was probably either someone wishing to provide a jacket to someone else during a winter storm or something but being unable to.
Or maybe from a serial killer who desired to wear his victim's flesh.
Will and desire are practically the same word (and for all I know, they may actually BE the same word in Japanese). And "inherited will" is obviously a huge theme of One Piece. Maybe, just maybe, the devil fruits are the incarceration of the desire/will of someone some time long ago and they get continuously "inherited" general after generation by those who eat them... Idk, maybe that's too crazy lol
That seems super plausible with the "inherited will" theme
That’s a decent idea, but there are some differences between the two concepts. For example, I “desire” to eat endless bowls of macaroni and cheese at any time I’m in the mood, but I “will” myself to eat other food because otherwise I’d get fat. So in this sense, my “will” is restraining and overriding my “desire”- which sounds a lot like how the will-powered Haki overrides the effects of Devilfruits born from human desire.
Blackbeard says “Peoples dream never end” in his intro.
They get passed down like a dream.
I agree that desire plays a huge part. My head cannon is that is that the cloak Blackbeard used prevents the fruit to see beyond the cloak. So the fruit could only appear within the cloaks range
If this theory plays out to be true, it kinda ties back to Blackbeard's quote in Jaya "The dreams of men will never die!"
Talking about desire, I remember the CP9 fruits and they kind of make sense. Kaku freaking LOVES giraffes and Kalifa's fruit also fits strangely enough, but it wouldn't work the other way around.
Paulie miss goldenweek, and Jango are good examples of a natural "fruit users"
I just thought of something funny: with how often DFs must end up in the ocean, I wonder how many times sea life (fish, sea kings, etc.) have eaten DFs (not knowing what they are), gained powers, and then immediately drowned. Or I guess not drown, since Jack is a fish man and a DF user and he can still breathe underwater but just can’t move.
Fish eating a devil fruit should ask an sbs.
Bruh. Y’all really don’t read the story? Jack was able to swim in the water in Wano to old wano because it was rain water. Not sea water.
@@johnnoreau3570Dude you yourself are spreading oldest/biggest misconception about One Piece. Sea water is not special, any water affects DF users all the same. Just google “sbs vol 41” and look for “water” in questions. I swear to god, it’s been 15 years and people still get it wrong.
@@johnnoreau3570 , when Jack is thrown in to the ocean at the end of Zou, he is stuck at the bottom of the ocean, unable to move but still able to breathe. I never said he could move underwater.
I hope Oda reveals something crazy like, “your heart turns into the devil fruit when you eat it” so Blackbeard ate Whitebeards heart to get the guru guru no mi
When you said that human desires don’t die, it reminded me of the iconic Blackbeard line from his introduction (ie. peoples dreams never end)… just putting that out there
i always thought of the "desire" for the fruits would typically be someone's dying wish, being more like a deal with a devil by bringing the fruit into the world while bonding the soul onto the fruit. idk if oda would go that mystical with it tho but that feels like the most common way of that much desire being present to straight up change reality
or maybe a bunch of people had all the same desire and bc of the combined power of their will, a fruit started to form. maybe luffys fruit was formed millenias ago by either someone with a strong enough will for freedom or many people were in pain and begged and cried for freedom (which could be very likely, given how fucked up the world is) and thus it came the reality
I think what Luffy desired was freedom, which is what the Gomu Gomu no Mi (Nika fruit) embodies, so I think Luffy’s desire may actually have played a role in him receiving it.
On another note, consider that Luffy was able to access fire after Ace’s death (Red Hawk, etc.), and Law was able to utilize Corazon’s power after his death (he used his room to cut off all sound around Big Mom). Perhaps these aren’t simple homages, but instead legitimate hints to the nature of Devil Fruits.
Talking about desires and devil fruits sure puts Jacket Jacket fruit into perspective...
In the case for law's fruit, maybe they can't desire the fruit itself but instead what it represents. Blackbeard desired the power of earthquake NOT the earthquake fruit
I think it is also possible that some fruits pull people who would want them. For instance, the Meru-Meru Fruit would definitely be wanted by a lot of people, but it set up a situation where the two people in the world who would want it the most - Sabo and Luffy - would pull up to acquire it. Clearly, Luffy couldn't eat it since he already had the Gomu Gomu no Mi, but it was Ace's so he would have wanted it as a keepsake. Same with Sabo. Part of Ace's desire (his Will of Desire) was to protect his brother (Luffy), right, because he couldn't his other brother (Sabo)? That was imparted upon the fruit and drew the two of them into to get it from Doflamingo.
Basically, I am theorizing sometimes fruits will manipulate situations to get themselves to those the fruits themselves perceive to be the right owner (Luffy, Bonney, Ace, Tsuru's granddaughter and her Dommy Mommy fruit).
I love thinking about hypothetical devil fruits like maybe a paramecia that is like the shape shape fruit that allows you to shapeshift into any object you touch and the awakening allows for shapeshifting into living beings too
This explains Tama getting a power which is helpful for that situation too.
One piece is tuely inspireing, desire is everything, you can do whatever you want as long as you have the willpower to do it!
The fact that Tekking said Desire like 50 times in this video and didnt flashbang us with Desire from the Silver Mine filler arc everytime he says Desire is a sin.
Desire, desire is the key word for these devil fruits, it's very possible that some occurances happen where when a devil fruit user dies, it could reincarnate its power into someone with the strongest desire to have that certain power, what blackbeard could've done is known about the devil inside whitebeard, so using a cloak to shroud it with blackbeard could've been the key to show off blackbeards pure desire to obtain the tremor tremor fruit once whitebeard died
I just re-read chapter 22 and Giamon’s island had 6 treasure chests on it, 5 on a cliff and 1 he got stuck in could that island have had what happened to god valley in the distance past
GOda foreshadowing the one piece being hidden in Gaimon's chest since way back. What a lad
When the Blackbeard pirates killed Absalom Sanji already archived the ability to turn invisible through the raid suite. Therefore I assume that he did not desire the fruit anymore, because he already got its abilities.
And without the Becoming An Anchor Drawback as he’s as fast as Jimbei (I would imagine) in the sea when he uses Blue Walk
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I like the rhyme:
If you want the power enough
And you desire it every day
We can find Absalom and kill him
And you'll get it right away
And Rustage said Tekking isn't a rapper
I think either we didnt see Boney eat the fruit because right now we are going through Kuma's memories or because the explanation is simple and the fruit manifested by desire :O
@3:40 Oda in SBS in 2 months : - "sorry, I forgot to draw Bonney eating the fruit"
When you mentioned Totoland, it got me thinking…what are the chances that so many of Big Mom’s kids have food related fruits? Even Oven, he can bake everything Cracker and Katakuri make. Is it possible that Big Mom is a little insane (hunger pangs) because her desires are so strong that they drew all these Devil Fruits to her but also that she’s so greedy that she got the power to, essentially, Force People To Share. That’s what her Devil Fruit does, it allows her to share anything from life to their very soul
11:15 "I really desire a hotel in California from which I can never leave"
"*BOOM* Eagle zoan"
It is possible that if you have a high desire for a fruit but not enough for it to physically mainfest into you. Then the fruit will just so happen to eventually end up near you. For example, if you really want to turn into fire and you are the person in the world who wants to turn into fire the most but still not enouugh for it to manifest into. Then maybey. when the user of the fruit dies, one of your buddies will just so happen to find the mera mera no mi and tell you to check it out. Or maybey some random marine will find it in the grand line and take it back to headquarters but will end up in a "convinent" storm and crash at your island.
Another sub theory, maybey some people don't speccifically desire the powers of a specific fruit, but they desire the attributes of that said fruit. SO that fruit will try to find its way to that person after the already existing user dies. For example , Alvita, she obviously had no desire to become a smooth person that will bounce off bullets and stuff. But what she may have desired was to be more lean and good looking. Therefore the fruit tried to find its way to her even though she didn't desire for the powers of said fruit but what she will gain from it.
Also adding onto that luffies fruit represents freedom. And although luffy might not have even knew it, he wanted devil fruit that would give him the most freedom. The nika nika no mi is probably the most "random bullshit go" fruit in the entire series. so maybey the fruit saw luffy as a good host mixed with the fact of how he wanted to become the freest of the seas. So, he just so happened to be buddies with the person who had that fruit (shanks) and shanks being the mentally disabled person he is. Left the fruit just so happening to lay on the counter. For luffy to eat freely.
Also luffies fruit was origally the gum gum fruit until (Im unsure how it become nika-nika fruit because Im not caught up to one piece) but the fruit was origanlly so much weeker because luffy thought that he was a rubber person. Thus, he imagined he was a rubber person and thought he could do nothing else. This adds onto what tneking said that some or maybey even most fruits become more powerful depending on how the user interprets the abbilities or what is told.
You could eat a fruit that litterally allows you to do nothing but turn into coffee. But maybey someone will convince you after you eat it that you ate a fruit that turns you into not coffee but oil. If you belive this then your coffee body may become extremely hot and dangerous.
Then another person eats the coffee fruit and someone tells them they have the coffee fruit. Thus the coffee fruit becomes ten times weeker than it could have been if you believed it was mroe powerful than it was
(This was a really geeky deep dive and im sorry for the length. Im also not caught up to one piece (In skypia) and most of what i came up with is from the wiki and youtube videos so sorry if you can easily disprove this.)
I think the simplest explanation is the correct one. Bonney ate it randomly off screen shortly before the scenes in the chapter. Blackbeard just had a fruit, knew the gura gura no mi would reincarnate into the fruit and ate it.
The sentience stuff to me seems more like the zoan fruits bring themselves into positions they want to be in, however that might work. "Controlling their own fate" etc
imagine we start getting inner dialogue from the characters minds with whatever is in their devil fruit
I am wondering whether Ivankov acquired his devil fruit power by eating the fruit or through some other means, as explained by you. Since Ivankov likes to draw attention to himself and make himself even more noticeable, it is possible that he obtained his power differently. However, I vaguely remember him saying that he "ate" his fruit. Love your videos btw.
I just read in chapter 538, be did eat the devil fruit, so nvm
@@LaysBeDrawing thanks for checking and updating :)
@@mattia_carciola you are so sweet, have a great day or night
@@LaysBeDrawing night (it's 23 here lol)
your theory would also explain why most devil fruit (user)-locations fit their surroundings. because you can only desire something you know and you generally desire things you have to do with, so if you live in the sky, you have a lot to do with thunder and you may desire the ability to control thunder. or if you live in a region that has everything to do with food, you may want to control that food you are surrounded with.
Thank you for the video! I always enjoy watching your videos! This video was really interesting.
I think there's some confusion between desiring power or control and desire in general. I think the Hito Hito no Mi: Sungod Nika chose Luffy because of Luffy's innate desire to be the most free. The fruit literally allows him to do whatever he wants. Luffy never desired power or control over anything, other then his own fate and adventure.
If you think about it, it makes sense that a lot of fruits align with the desires of their holders, like Doflamingo's desire to manipulate everyone and everything around him, like a puppet master. It allows him to quite literally pull the strings from behind the scenes. It makes sense now how so many character seem to fit their devil fruits, or rather how the fruits fit their personalities.
I think paramecia are weird because sometimes people's desires are more.. I dunno, esoteric? They're not a clear-cut concept. Perhaps that's why we see some concepts manifest in weaker and stronger versions. The desire behind the fruits could be very similair.
Perhaps something like the Jacket Jacket fruit is born from a desire to control others or to use someone's strength. Or.. to be worn like a jacket, I suppose?
The Numa-Numa no Mi (swamp fruit) could be a desire to steal and keep anything your heart desires, the Kira-Kira no mi (diamond fruit) could be the desire to become invulnerable.
Also, this entire time we're throwing around the word Desire.. so.. is that.. the will of D? The will of Desire? I, mean it's as good of a candidate for any other "D" word, I guess?
This still makes me question how on earth you put a Devil fruit into a object because it doesn't make sense for a object having desire.
An Italian youtube I follow, who seems to get a lot of things right (and has been following since the beginning + really knowledgeable about manga in general), says that it's most likely not about "the meaning" of the D., and that's not even important. Dawn? Desire? Both (or maybe none). Or even D as the smiling face, literally, especially since laughters *literally* power stuff in OP.
100% agree with some desires being more metaphorical (and probably more fruits fitting different kinds of desires, I could see Mingo's fruit used to patch up and fix, but he was the one with an extremely strong desire around, it fitted strings and ended up crossing the fruit's path)
@@mattia_carciola I guess so. Doffy's whole thing seems more akin to creating chaos and controlling others rather then to fix anything, though I guess he did manage to fix his own damage after Law's attack.
I like the theory that paramecias are the dreams of people, zoans are the dreams of animals, and logia’s are the dreams of nature. It would explain why zoan awakenings can take over their user, and also would explain why Vegapunk can’t copy a logia.
Remember when Teach confronting Ace back at Banaro Island. He said :
" I've been Looking up for this DF for decades. But my crewmate ended up as the one who found it. I had no other choise but to kill Thach since the rule on the ship was finder keepers. But i tell you, this power choses me, Ace. "
Honestly, if DF really has their own will, and The Yami Yami no Mi was known as The most evil DF in history, it make a lot of sense if we asumed, The DF sensed Teach has whishing for it for so long, but the fruit itself deliberately showed itself in front of Thatch, not because Thatch wishing for it, but it doing this as A TEST for Teach wether he was worthy to hold its power or not, by any mean nacesary, which is killing his own crewmate.
I feel like Vegapunk is sort of an anti-hero. He has good intentions but he cares about himself and his research. He would not pressure Kuma if his offer was rejected but he basically said "I will cure your daughter if you help me make clones of you". He does not really have any allegiances and will side with anyone as long as it means he is saving people (according to him). He is in a race for more knowledge and power. In the worst case scenario, if Vegapunk was not able to cure Bonney, Bonney would die and Kuma would have already participated in the reasearch. Also, I do not know if Vegapunk knew about the rest but later Kuma not only made clones of himself, he became a cyborg and lost his emotions, memory and personality. However, I like the idea that Pacifistas were originally supposed to promote peace and non-violence.
Remember blackbeards quote. 'The dreams of pirates will never die.' It's possible he was talking about devil fruits
If everyone in the One Piece world knew Big Mom's backstory, there would probably a lot of attempted cannibalism...
13:01 ManI miss the sketchs Tekking was doing way back then. This would have been the perfect spot of him sitting in the dark on starring at a light bulb :(
Here's a video idea to potentially go along with all these flashbacks we're having in the story. Putting the timeline into context of what things were going on at/around the same time.
For example: the same year the Rocks Pirates disbanded(38 years ago), Charlotte Mont-d'Or was born as Big Mom's 30th kid, and the Katakuri and Brûlée flashback of her getting the face scar happened (when they were 10 and 5). Was that incident related to the transition.
Would be even more fun to just use the Charlotte family as the timeline, since they had been born so regularly. Show which characters are the same age as which Charlotte, which Charlotte was born when Roger was executed, when Luffy got his hat, when Fisher Tiger was doing his thing, when Doffy completed his orphaning personally. How old was Katakuri when _ happened?
You can actually get pretty deep into the generation of devil fruits.
If you go by human desire, you don't really need them to be that specific, you can get into more "visceral desires". Instead of "I really want to control fire/lighting/general logias", it could be a somewhat sadder but realistic cry for help during natural disasters, for instance.
That also matches with the weird amount of food related devil fruits, as food scarcity would be a big factor into motivating people into wanting change around them.
I still think the devil fruit might've just been in the church in a hidden room or something and Bonney found it didn't know what it was and ate it.
My theory on bb's fruit is that it did choose him but used thatch as a test to see how evil bb really was and would he kill his friend for his desire..
Hey tekking,
Would you plus consider this: I noticed your theory about a force spreading in the user works well with Blackbeard's power to essentially shut down devil fruit powers (Blkbrd Vs. Ace Ch.441), he just concentrates the essence at the point he touches. He even explained (at least in German translation) "it also attracts/sucks in devil fruit powers" just before almost breaking ace's neck.
So my personal theory is that the individual’s heart becomes the devil fruit after they eat it, and there’s a buffer period before the fruit reincarnates.
Blackbeard ate whitebeard’s heart
Shiryu ate absalom’s
And big mom ate mother caramel, heart included
For Bonney, I wouldn’t be shocked if a CD wanted to see what would happen if a newborn was fed a devil fruit that could instantly turn them into a fully grown slave
Someone, somewhere: "Man I really really wish my body was made out of rubber"
Devil fruits: "best we can do is a demigod"
I think that’s a good theory good job! 👍
LOVING this whole theory, I am thinking its more about Desiring the philosophy behind the fruits first user too but everything else is awesome
PS. Vegeta would get the super-super saiyan fruit earlier than becoming super saiyan himself
I think Tekking might have done it. He’s uncovered the explanation for devil fruits.
Now that you brought up Nami's tangerines (pun intended) and the snow fruit I thought of something really interesting! It would make sense for Nami to eat the fruit, because it kinda goes along with the weather theme for Nami's abilities. Now not only she would control thunder and rain, but now she should be able to control snow. But there's a way to give the fruit to objects, right? What if Vegapunk gives the snow fruit to Nami's clima tact! That would be so cool and it will just enchance Nami's weapon and it would make total sense!
Assuming it got along with Zeus as a product of the Soul Soul fruit, I assume he could then kind of drive the power himself. That'd be a pretty crazy complete power boost for Nami.
@@Iris_1217 I actually completely forgot about Zeus. Well, she could just eat the fruit herself, I guess.
Hey Tekking you should do a series where you fill in the blanks for us. You are very imaginative, and I am curious to see what you think happened that kept Bon Clay Alive, or what happened in the gap of time in egghead. Basically, your cannon for any gap. Could also do smaller videos for Pell showing back up.
Listening to what Tekking was saying I got an idea.
When a devil fruit user dies, the essence | soul | entity | power seeps out and actually travels through some medium to locate a new fruit to inhabit.
Now what Blackbeard does, He traps the dying body of the user in his pocket dimension of his Yami Yami no mi long enough to prevent the essence of the fruit from travelling to the outside world.
Blackbeard can then contain the essence in the pocket dimension for later distribution or just has a basket of fruit or something in the there to be inhabited.
Maybe for Bonney, She being a glutton ate the Age Age fruit among the many other things she had on her plate. It chose to reincarnate into a fruit Bonney was about to eat.
Video idea: I think it'd be cool if you did a geography is everything video, but you go into detail on just what makes geography so important, especially in the world of one piece. I think this would give people more appreciation for you g.i.e series. Especially since a lot of your audience is kids who don't understand transportation, economy, and how geography interconnect it all. Keep up the good work.
Tekking, you've gotten so close to a large branching theory that I've built over years, and you've gotten so close to it many times now.
Luffy getting the Nika-Nika fruit could've not been him wanting the 'Power of the Sun' but rather his desire to be the free-est man, and thus the fruit tried steering its fate that way.
I think All Devil Fruits have some little ability to do so, which is how so many Devil Fruits end up in seemingly the perfect or best host for them.
Vegapunk and his Brain Fruit, Law and his Op Op Fruit, an animal getting the Human Fruit, a Marine getting the Buddah Fruit, ect.
And I think Oda showed us this in the very beginning of the series! Luffy found the Gomu-Gomu Fruit in a treasure chest. Aren't treasure chests usually locked when they have treasure in them? I dont remember Shank's crew showing off their treasures to the bar-goers. I think the Nika Fruit used some of its light influence to open the chest so Luffy would see and then eat the fruit! It steered its own fate enough to find a suitable user for its powers
Bro i had the coolest idea about this. So basically i had this head canon that a skypiean kid had a really strong desire to be a great warrior like kalgara. Then that manifests into the hito hito no mi model kalgara and the abilities were based of kalgaras adaptation to new things. This is based of like him warming up to noland and getting rid of old traditions. The base of the ability is adapting and copying both devil fruit and non devil fruit attacks. The second ability was where the world adapted to let the user survive. For instance a fireball is flying at sumone and randomly the wind of the world blows it off trajectory. I just wanted to share this idea i had and finally got the chance.
Theory: Devil Fruits were created by the ancient clan from their desires. They most likely gave a wish to a magic tree (maybe Adam Tree?) and the tree gave them back a fruit for whichever power they desired. That’s why we see random ass df like jacket fruit and butter fruit but also sick ones like darkness and gravity. The ancient people got to select whatever they power they wanted, but when they die their powers are reincarnated back into a fruit. This allows those peoples desires to live forever. Or in Blackbeard’s words “People’s Dreams never end!”
Crazy how Rustage made the roulette fruit in DnD that has a specific function past the roulette counter to make a fruit with whatever power you desire. Good call on his part
Luffy did desire his fruit in the sense that he wanted to be free, and his fruit's awakening is the essence of freedom.
In this theory I'd pray that the first person with the Mera Mera no Mi is called Promethues.
Maybe imu sama is the reason they are born into fruits instead of born straight into somebodys soul , like maybe Imu has an ability to control rules and he changed the rule to make the powers go into fruits instead of not being able to control all the abilities.
Your theory for desire being the key factor to create a devil fruit actually explains the jacket jacket fruit.
In a world where so many people grow up in poverty and war torn countries the desire to have a jacket to keep a child or younger sibling warm is a strong enough desire to create a seemingly useless devil fruit.
29:20 I do believe that every fruit adapts its skill set to the user to some degree
I agree a good example is the previous barrier fruit user made blue barriers rather than green ones
Keep up the awesome work and videos tekking love the video
Video idea: What if Yamato and Carrot joined the Straw Hats? I know Egghead isn’t over yet, it can be a fun discussion on what they do leading up to Egghead and what they do once they get there
This theory has real “there’s gonna be a second time skip and smoker and tashigi are gonna join the crew” energy
"I want to turn into ice."
"No can do. That power already exists."
"...Can I be snow?"
"...Very well."
Let me regale you with a tale about flow charts.. as somebody who has spent about 15 years playing roleplaying games (similar to DnD but text based.)
So basically.. what you do is? Get a shield and then go Chariot Tackle > Chariot Tackle > Chariot Tackle > Chariot Tackle.
Eventually? If you Chariot Tackle enough times, you'll hit your opponent atleast once!
I just realized how the Jacket-Jacket fruit was created. Everyone makes fun of it like "Who would ever wanna be a jacket?" I pose to you, dear reader, that whoever it was just saw an incredibly attractive person in a jacket. Like Sandra Bullock, or Mila Jovovich, or Chris Pratt. And just the thought of "I would give anything to be that jacket." Went through their head and BOOM!
I always thought how blackbeard got whitebeards fruit was because of the yami yami no mi and he wanted it specifically for that reason. Since he can nullify DF powers maybe he could suck the power into his darkness and let it out whenever he wants to use it
Luffy might not have specifically wanted to be nika, but he did want to be a pirate and really wanted to be free.
Also have to think they want it so much they don't care to lose the ability to swim. I think that's why Sanji didn't get it when it transfer. I also think he wants to see the all blue or help his captain more.
Remember when Burgess wanted to get aces fruit after he already ate it ? He pulled a knife as a non knife fighter with weird wholes in it. Felt like a hint like when Releigh used ryouu training luffy. Maybe the knife is an invention of vegapunk since he can definitly extract DV powers.
I'm pretty sure you have to eat the heart of the user, Bug Mom ate Mother Caramel whole and got her powers, maybe it doesn't have to be the whole body, maybe a specific part, and I'd bet on the heart, the organ that represents love and desire, emotion.
Would explain the knife, carving out the heart of the target, Blackbeard could have eaten Whitebeard's heart under the cloth, and he wouldn't need to damage the body much since there was already a hole in WB's chest.
@@phelps6205 I've thought the same but lean more brain than heart which both can work since both were conveniently exposed with whitebeard and i can see df users brains having the same spiral groves that the fruit has but heart makes more sense with blackbeards jolly roger having a spear stabbing a heart.
that's crazy cause the chests were the first things I noticed that chapter