Completely agree on LGA775. Personally I’ve kept one on hand now purely with Vista installed. There is only 1/2 fps between 2k,XP, and Vista when benchmarking and sometimes vista works better, it pains me to say it. As XP is usually my go to. But having a completely overkill system running a semi modern OS which is very compatible with older titles, programs, and drivers, well it speeds things up a lot.
My expectation would be for newer OSes to have an edge with newer parts and older OSes to have an edge with older parts. People talk a lot about system bloat, but I think driver validation has a bigger effect. That is, whatever is the dominant system at the time of hardware and driver release is going to get highest priority. This is kind of hard to test in Windows due to the platform using DirectX to force generational upgrades. 9.0 is the closest thing to a common platform.
Totally agree. I keep a Q9550 on a P5Q Pro with 8 GB DDR2 and a RX 570 as a fast Windows 7 PC - perfect for Anno 1404 or Skyrim maxed out :-D and it's a nice memento for the PC I actually had when I've went to university :-)
@@fattomandeibu I quite like Vista. It had a rough launch, but honestly, so did XP. Everyone conveniently likes to forget XP RTM. 7 Was only so good because it's not very far from patched Vista. 8.0 and 10 releases were rough too. Vista gets hate but its nothing new. I think Vista is the best looking windows OS to-date.
For the 10 year anniversary of Windows XP going out of support I built a Core i7-3770 system with 16GB of ram and a GTX 780 Ti. Now I lay in wait for it to become officially retro 😁
@@shihanafridhi9517 Last does not mean best. The 960 is around 40% of the power of a 780 Ti. Technically the i7-4790 is the best Windows XP cpu as well but finding properly compatible motherboards isn't as easy as it is for the Sandy Bridge. And if you wanna dabble a bit in technically unsupported but still workable stuff you can go with a 980 Ti by modifying the 960 drivers.
This is already retro, so you don't have to wait any longer. As mentioned, you could even use a 980 Ti as your graphics card. With my XP, Vista, W7, W8.1, W10 retro system, I play everything from Unreal (1998) to Cyberpunk 2077 with my 2600K CPU @4.5 GHz.
Nice! Be aware that LGA 775 (and Socket 754, 939 and AM2), while out of the "capacitor plague" era, can still be affected by bad batches of Nippon Chemi-Con, Ost and Toshin Kogyo (TK) capacitors.
On the flip-side, LGA775 also spans into the "overcompensation era", where board manufacturers would make motherboards over-engineered for reliability. Those are the ones that boast things like "Japanese" or "Solid-state" capacitors, excessive use of heatpipes on the VRM and chipsets, and extra-thick copper ground planes. They were clearly trying to restore confidence in their products for a few years after the capacitor plague.
@@UserUser-zc6fx This capacitor issues are different. Old Athlon and Pentium 2/3 mainboards had capacitors which failed during normal calculated lifetime (1-2 years after production. You might see defective/blown up capacitors on Socket775 boards that only failed after 5-10 years. And this is expected behaviour and had nothing to do with "capacitor plague" around 1999-2007. source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
The mileage you can get out of LGA 775 is insane. being suitable for early 90's DOS stuff all the way up to now as a low end desktop is just incredible. I do have a few old hard drives laying around so I'll probably make a 775 build with DOS on one drive and Linux on the other.
I mean, I've had one with an RX 6600 XT. I was cpu bottlenecked even with the xeon x3470 overclocked, but this socket will do ray tracing as well. not well, but it's playable.
So happy that I am on the boat for a while already. Apart from my 486, Pentium 1 MMX and Pentium 3 I really enjoy my Socket 775 with Core2Duo E8600. Runs XP as a champ with all the time correct games I like most 💪. Thanks for years of your good advice on all of these systems!
I took the old pc from my father when he switched to apple 6 years ago. But it's a different Sockel with an athlon X4. Have geek xp on it. But such an e8000 something I also have. But I switched the CPU to an q6600 i had. But on this one is windows 10. Still don't know what exactly I want to do with it.
Here in my country 775 platform with DDR3 RAM is an entry level for normal use computer. They sell complete machines for around 50 USD. The most popular ones are 5th generation intel corporative machines like lenovo thinkcentre for around 100 USD. Thanks for your videos! Greetings from Colombia
LGA775 has been well known for building XP systems since it is a good flexible platform. Very common. I also like AM2-AM3+ for many of the same reasons. Wide variety of available CPUs, video cards and sound cards. Also lot of legacy support carried forward to this point.
Questionable. Alot of gpus are failing cause of pre-2009 era nvidia troubles. Or cause just being a >2003 bga cards running userviced for many years (anything from ROHS era has a lead-free soldering). Some AM2 suffers with chipsets issue for the same reason. AMD precessors are less effective to process 32 bit code (compared to how they process 64 bit code and you probably don't need XP 64 bit) and XP barely benefits from multi-core. Literally any task that requires multi-core CPU or benefits from it, can be excecuted in Windows 7 or higher. Sound cards? Not to many 775 PCs had em. Some games benefits from PCI sound blasters but it's more related to 478 era.
AM2+ is dirt cheap, I got a decent micro atx Asus board with an Nvidia chipset and a Phenom II X3 for 20$. A bit of oc and it makes for a really fast XP system for next to nothing. Anything AGP is getting overpriced now.
@@dmwzr Depends, sure. Athlon64, X2, Core2, etc can all run 32bit code just fine. A64s were outperforming Pentium 4s and using less power doing so. XP (32 or 64 bit) can utilize multiple cores to a point, certainly anywhere between 1 and 4 cores. Sound cards still matter since onboard audio hadn't started getting really good by that point and didn't have support for EAX if you had a game that leveraged it. SoundBlasters would support EAX and provide for a better overall sound experience over onboard, particularly if the onboard audio wasn't well isolated from interference. As far as GPUs, if you care about period correctness, yea, some of those era cards may not currently be viable/stable/available. If you don't care so much about period correctness, there's plenty of CPU and GPU options that, while not period correct, still got XP driver support even if they'd be overkill and underutilized by XP. Just opens up more options vs increasingly scarce SS7-S478 era hardware.
@@thegreatboto XP can utilize multiple cores and even more that 4, but applications that benefits from this, can be executed in slightly newer environment. Sound cards are not essential to have EAX. In 775 era when Vista hit the market the only thing you needed to have EAX 4.0 were just OpenAL installed. Integrated audio were worse, but most of the games had 16 bit sound (most likely compressed) and won't benefit much. It can be an addition (just like for a modern PC) but it's not that crucial anymore for 775. And yeah you have a point. You can grab some GT710 and you gonna be good to go, that makes sense. I'm just not sure if we can count this as cheap retro parts. Surely 775 is more versatile cause always can utilize sata and pci-e drives. But if we go so far, why it's 775, not 1366 or 1156. Both usually can run 7/Vista/XP. >A64s were outperforming Pentium 4s and using less power doing so Were also cheaper and produced slightly less heat, yes. I still have Athlon 3000+ with Biostar Geforce 6100 mobo. No north bridge, cool and quite. And there is alot of this CPUs around. Sadly enough 754 / 939 platforms requires nForce chipset mobos for best performance which will initially fail.
Currently using a GA-EP45T-UD3LR with a Q9650 and 8GB DDR3 1333MHz. Extremely stable and reliable, almost zero issues except some PCIE dramas but I only use it for testing stuff and data recovery. Honestly, there's no better choice for legacy yet performing platforms
I have my dad's ol XPS 420 upgraded to q9650 and 8gb ddr2 and a GTX 960 for driver reasons, I have it triple boot system XP,7,10 soon 11 just for lols, and I found a old office PC with a Pen D upgraded that to q6600 and 4gb ram wanna get a high end 2006 GPU for the system so I got my main lga 775 system and a backup and the backup I had to use a floppy to update the bios lol and didn't corrupt the bios the XPS has an SSD
the other day i found a working asrock 775vm800 on a dumpster computer and it was pretty shocking how a low end board is now worth a premium due to the AGP slot
Big fan of LGA775, it is just so flexible. Previously used my Q9650 with Linux Mint for HTPC, it's now been upgraded to a WinXP retro machine. It's that perfect crossover point between retro and modern, where you have older ports and OS support, but bios support for nice-to-have features like SATA and PCIe
I think it's a bit of a stretch to call Windows 11 compatible with LGA 775. Windows 11 now requires the POPCNT instruction, which is not available on any LGA 775 CPUs as far as I'm aware. Although older versions of 11 will work, 24H2 and up won't.
After trying to revive my old Socket A from high school, I went with 775, and aside from video drivers being a bit messy given my setup, it's been a worthy retro platform to work with. I'll thank Phil for that.
I've got what I think is the best 775 route, a 865 chipset board with AGP. I have a Celeron 440 in it (2GHz single core Conroe), a 6600GT and nice Yamaha sound card; works for pretty much all 98 and XP games.
I think one of the best Socket 775 board is the one that has Intel 865 chipset too, and paired with Intel Celeron 400 series. With this combination you get: complete support of Windows 98 drivers, AGP slot, and IDE connector. I bought three Asus P5PE-VM because of this Another interesting bit is that even tough Intel Celeron 400 series is newer than Pentium 4 and using socket 775 it's actually single-core and based on Intel's P6 microachitecture just like Pentium Pro/II/III. Oh, and also it's only 35 watt TDP, so passive-cooling is possible.
I have been picking a few from this era for this exact reason. The "retro" window keeps moving and what was retro is now antique and the older slower computers are now retro.
You don’t necessarily need 775. Most 1st-4th gen boards support native XP with benefits of being able to install any modern linux/windows OS incl. Win 11. They are great to multi boot anything XP through 11 natively along with linux 😊
There are many very odd S775 boards out there. ASRock P45 TurboTwins 2000 for example. With a slotted PCB to switch between SLI and XFire support. XD You can even mount a netburst based Pentium D in there, for the P4 nostalgia. The Core2Xtreme CPUs were massively overpriced even over 5 years ago, the Yorkfield based Q96xx oder Q95xx do just fine, for a third/quarter of the price. Got lucky last month with two socket 775 machines for 5€ each in the local ads. Low End ones, but in nice cases. And working, after more than 10 years in storage!
@PhilsComputerLab there is one thing for forgot to Mention or might not be aware of it which is that the LGA 775 also supports 771 CPUs when you do a small modification to the Socket and apply a Sticker to the CPU that swaps 2 Pins on the LGA 771 CPU. The 771 Xeon CPUs are extremely fast an much cheaper than the Qore2Quad equivalent. I've done this with my Asus P5Q-Deluxe and the performance was amazing. Of course you also have to add the Microcodes to the BIOS but that's pretty easy .
Im happy anytime someone finds use for older computer parts. I personally like sandy bridge for windows XP only because I feel like the intel 2600k was one of their best CPU ever made. I used that PC for almost 10 years, and it went through 5 video card upgrades 460,570,670,970 and a 1080 and on top of that It had XP, 7 and Windows 10 before I finally upgraded the whole pc. Unheard of back in the day.
I think one of the best Socket 775 board is the one that has Intel 865 chipset, and paired with Intel Celeron 400 series. With this combination you get: complete support of Windows 98 drivers, AGP slot, and IDE connector. I bought three Asus P5PE-VM because of this Another interesting bit is that even tough Intel Celeron 400 series is newer than Pentium 4 and using socket 775 it's actually single-core and based on Intel's P6 microachitecture just like Pentium Pro/II/III. Oh, and also it's only 35 watt TDP, so passive-cooling is possible.
If you are going to build a 775 system, be wary of old Asus 775 boards, namely P5 series. They have an issue with Chassis Intrusion detection, which can't be disabled through BIOS. I've recently built a system on P5K-E/WIFI-AP and this issue blocks you from booting a system. I had to locate and remove a transistor off the board to fix it.
I already got mine up and running :) Gigabyte EX38+Q9550+EVGA GTX 285 2GB / GTS 250 PhysX card with Xfi Titanium sound card. Built it before things go up.
I’ve been collecting motherboards for about 10 years now, and I am glad I held onto a lot of the 775 boards. I got them supper cheap ($10-$15) when nobody wanted them. Now I see the going rate is about $25 and on up including shipping. Funny how what people thought was garbage a few years ago is now sought after and valued.
I have a few a full functional "retro pcs in my possession. SS7, Slot1, FCPGA2 S487@479 (ASUS CT 479) and a P45 S775 is on the shelf. Except for socket 775, all older sockets are very expensive on Ebay. As example ASUS tusl2-c. ASUS P5A and the adapter ASUS CT 479 does not exist anymore on Ebay.
Oh yeah it is! I think I already posted this under one of your early videos from years ago, but I was able to build a sweet retro PC out of the first revision of Intel-produced 775 motherboards and the first Pentium 4 supported on that platform. Couple that with a GeForce 6800-equivalent PCI-E Quadro card that use a hacked driver for Windows 98 and it's a beast of a Win 98 PC.
The Samsung 950 Pro is the only NVME SSD that has a build in bootrom so that it can boot on any system that doesn't support it natively like any socket 775
I have plenty of 775 boards, and the 1150 is more retro friendly. The 4790k is the most retro friendly, it works with 98 and XP x64/server2003 without major workarounds. There is also 1150 AGP industrial boards available with agp if you want that. I have such a board, but i prefer to use my basic Asus Z97A and with a Aureal Vortex2 with a dreamblaster 2x and a voodoo5 5500 PCI upgraded to 128mb vram. In windows 98 you have to get the 512mb patch though since there is no ddr3 modules small enough to run it with the voodoo5 installed. I also have a PCI riser from pcie4 with two slots which carries a tv-in card from Hauppage so i can play retro consoles without emulation and a Promise 133TX controller for storage. All of this hardware also works just fine in BeOS as long as you get the 768mb ram patch. You can not use the voodoo5 in the riser, but the other cards work fine in the riser. To use the WinTV card you want a brooktree 878 card and avoid the 848 as the plague, since video quality of the 848 is awful.
I recently got a Core 2 Extreme QX9650 that will pair well with the XFX 790i I already had. I feel like I'm about to put together a really great LGA 775 system.
A lot of my retro PC collection is from me not getting rid of the parts when I replaced them, and at the time I didn't have the budget to get a LGA775 system. I had a Socket AM2+ motherboard with a Phenom II X4 940 and 8 GB of RAM, which I gave to my dad until I handed down my Ivy Bridge system to him. That Phenom II is about equivalent to an overclocked Q6600, and I managed to find a Radeon 5870 to pair with it for a Windows Vista machine!
Socket AM2+ is amazing on Vista! I have a couple of phenoms all running at 3.6 to 4ghz and they beat the crap out of my q6600 which i could only get up to 3ghz on my 680i sli. Even the E8400 at 4ghz I have in it now on windows 7 feels less responsive
Glad I found my 775 motherboard during the pandemic. Searched for one year to score a ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.00. Such an awesome board. Love the support for quad core, AGP 8x, PCIe, DDR2, IDE and Sata-II. Ultimate compatibility for my needs.
A few weeks ago I built a system with a very similar board - the Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3L using ~2008 parts. It's been great so far for WinXP with the exception of the Dell OEM PCIE Physx card I wanted to use, which I couldn't get working. I'm using the machine for a playthrough of Curse The Eye of Isis right now, but I'm sure it can handle something more modern.
LGA 1155 is also great for a 32bit WinXP build. I used a 3ghz cpu and a GTX 980 Ti (probably about the last gpu released with official winxp support). Works amazingly well and has fantastic support for early 2000's era games. Also has enough juice to crank up the graphics in the nvidia control panel.
i have i5 2500K with XP x64 and it works perfectly, so not only 32 bit... no compatibility issues with games newer than year 2000. I think if you don't need to run 16-bit software, you should stick with x64 edition. It opens you way to use more than 3.25 GB of memory, very useful with "modern" activities like browsing a web with Supermium, which is doable similar to modern Win11 build. Or go with dualbooting like me, I have XP x86 on second partition only for DOS games :D
@@tennickjestzajety69 I just use my main pc for anything 64 bit, but yeah I know what you're saying ;) 64bit cpu's didn't really start hitting mainstream until around 2003, so a lot of games from around that time still weren't compatible yet. Honestly don't even notice the lack of memory with games from that era. 4gb was usually the max supported by mainboards around that time anyway.
5 years ago i got an Asus P5W DH Deluxe and it runs Pentium 4 all the way to core 2 quad. Currently it has a Q6600 and 4GB of DDR2. Paired it with a HD5850. It only cost 5 dollars for the board, an E6600 and cooler. The board comes out of 2006, but supports on board WiFi and other fancy features for the time like crossfire support.
I don't plan to use this with DOS, although P31 does probably have that kind of backwards reach, but I would really stack it up to the max with that chipset including community patches that get 4GBs of RAM to work on Windows 98SE. I don't know if we got multi-core support somewhere before Windows XP, but that would be interesting. Get a high enough OpenGL support in a graphics card, you might run some of these modern source ports for some games like Quake. Which I've been quite interested in.
Using a Q9550 series CPU,16GB DDR3 with a stripped down W11, running Launchbox (for consoles) and ExoDos. Not DOS tweaking required. I have period specific computers but mostly use the above device.
I already know that is the next retro pc hardware to have, to the point of already building a windows xp with a LGA775 Core 2 Quad 9550 and as GPU an GTX 960 that was the last one to have official drivers for XP, also an Audigy 2 installed... As i was seeing this video i thought that you are spot on on the specs...
Some LGA 775 boards have very good backward compatibility. It is possible to run Windows 98 on it, but the options for a graphics card are limited to ma. Geforce 7xxx or Radeon 1300. Most sound chipsets and networking drivers do not work under win98. But XP/2k works also very fast on this platform, and it is possible to use dosbox for older speed sensible dos programms. I have used a LGA 775 PC with Winxp only, Core2Duo E8600, 128 GB SDD, and Geforce 560 for years as an ultimate retro pc. Old Windows software runs fine, and a lot of dos games too. The price of this build was under 50€...
Well, Windows 11 support will end with version 24H2 due to C2D CPUs lacking the POPCNT instruction but apart from that those boards are amazingly versatile
I've been thinking of building an LGA 775 with an E8400 WinXP machine. I have very fond memories of that platform both just gaming but also overclocking. Getting an E8400 to 4Ghz on air was great.
I have a Compaq Presario with Core 2 duo E7300 and I was able to play duke3d with sound thanks to sbemu. This computer was going to trash and spent 2 month under the snow and I just realised how compatible it was. Sbemu is the real game changer I think. I had stopped playing duke3d since I had no sound and emulators didn’t feel right. Last time I played was on a 100Mhz pentium. Then I tried installing windows 3.11 and it worked, with sound and internet. This time with actual windows drivers for intel hd audio. Unfortunately I couldn’t find drivers for onboard lan. Luckily I had a 2000 ish pci lan card that I was able to find win 3.11 drivers for ( or maybe dos drivers ) I have to say that was an amazing experience. The goal was to recreate my first computer experience with my grown up knowledge. Also installing dos on a usb stick makes file transfer so easy.
Still own several 775 boards and CPU's... I'm currently using 875 for my Win98SE and 775 for my Vista build (yeah I also prefer Vista over XP). Planning to ditch 775 for AM3+ with a FX4300 black edition on the Vista build.
I own a motherboard with 2 GB, a pentium 4 @ 3,06ghz, and Sis chipset. I was not able to start win98 nor winme on this. I also own a handful of gigabyte mobos, all maxed out with core2 and ram. I don't try neither msdos nor win98 nor winme on any of them. The fact they boot without UEFI is sometimes very useful
I had Asus P5E back in the day, just picked up a P5E Delux with a Q9550 for £35 really wanted the P5E as I still gave the box for it but the delux will probably do. I have a couple of E8500 cpus so not sure for gaming the core 2 or the core quad will be better. Do you think pairing with a GTX 280 is appropriate?
Yep. I have a cpuple already, needed good CPU, sound blaster and a parallel port so managed to buy a couple of these new old stock about 4 years ago. Awesome.
I've always been a big fan of socket 775 and socket 939 as they can both be made to work perfectly be well in Windows 98 and later. I do think I prefer the AGP versions of both sockets, but have been successful with the PCIE versions for the most part. I also think they both allow the use of the former highly undesirable processors like the Pentium 4 and single core socket 939. Flexible and cheap. Glad you made this video, as I'm well stocked already and won't be competing on purchases, lol. Great job!
I already got some Socket775 platforms beside Socket7 and SocketA for retro PC purposes. As you already mentioned its the flexibility and wide spectrum which gets supported (PCI, AGP and PCIe for cards and USB, P-ATA and S-ATA ports for periphericals) and as OS you can go with DOS, Windows9x to XP and even Win7/8/10. And the availability and price to performance ratio is great.
i built an XP machine using the 775 since that was what i had back in the day. really cheap to make something stupidly overpowered thanks to the Core2Duo and i was surprised that i could get actual DOS games working on it! Recently started dual booting Win 7 for better compat with some of the later games and this video has convinced me to pick up a Core 2 Extreme lol
I am currently using a Wolfdale C2D running as my file server. I’m retiring it soon, so I might use it in substitution of my i7-2600 board as my XP/classic gaming machine with a GTX 960 4GB. Otherwise, it’s a Dell Inspiron 630s with no purpose. Thoughts on future use, hive-mind?
Yeah I have thought about getting a matching pair of GeForce 9800 cards and a Socket 775 board to run them. Not really fancying it now, but maybe in 5 years time? I had a S775 system as my first PC I bought with my own money, which kinda repells me from the platform though, I'm always more interested in "new-to-me" stuff.
Having just gotten back into desktops again after years of laptops, I dug out my box of spare parts and realized I still have four LGA 775 motherboards in the house, DDR2 and DDR3, and like eight different CPUs. The configurability of this platform is really amazing, I think maybe AMD's modern AM4 platform comes close. I decided to run an E6300 underclocked to 1.2Ghz with 4GB of DDR2 memory and a 9600GT, which is overkill for old retro games, but it also allows me to dual boot into Windows 7 for 64-bit support. At first I chose a P4 630 Prescott, but then switched to the E6300 as I can run it this low and get equivalent performance at much lower heat and power consumption. And it's comparable to a dual P3s Tualitin too, I think :)
Proud socket 775 PC with DDR3 owner here! While it's in retirement for now, I plan to upgrade it in the future to max it out. Supports up to 1600 MHz FSB and 16 GB of RAM. With a Q9650 OC-ed to 3.6 GHz it's probably gonna run the latest games too with a GPU upgrade. Note that PCI-E x1 2.0 is 533 MB/s, so not really faster than SATA 3.
I have a nice lga 775 runs a q9550 and ddr3 8gb ram. That computer has fdd controller and floppy drive. Along with burner and card reader. Dual booting both xp and windows 10. I use it as a easy gateway between new and old. Even managed to get real 3dfx voodoo 2 cards running under 64bit windows 10 along with PAE under xp 32bit. I also have a massive amount of storage for the time in that box mainly use it for driver storage and archiving. Along with disk image files from my older computers incase I need to roll back. Also super nice to easily go on a website download a image and write a floppy or cdrom within seconds rather then doing it in stages :)
I needed a good workshop PC for some CAD/internet browsing, I had a Gigabyte LGA775 P45 mobo with a modded LGA771 X5460 cpu and 16GB of DDR2 on it, felt good for the job. But now I hear this is good for retro too? Damn? I was sure this thing was pretty much worthless by now.. :)
Might have been nice to mention a couple of prominent games which wont work (e.g. missing ISA Soundcard, or graphics card). Also what would have been interesting are 5 1/4 floppy drives. Platform could be a good option to have 5 1/4 floppy working on Win10 or so. That is if the port and BIOS can handle it.
I have a Intel D975XBX2KR motherboard in my collection. Seemed a good choice at the time because it has peripheral wise the old (floppy, ide, etc) and modern pci-e and sata. Good video as usual, thanks
Honestly, I had to make that same decision as you mention here and weighed many possibilities. While I have 5 HP elite 8000 bought for less than 25€... ultimatively, I decided against further betting on that 775 horse. Rather, I was gifted 4 (3, one for parts) optiplex 9020 sff with i5 4590's and turned them into LAN party machines, I now have 8 of them, running win 7 pro x64 with gt 1030's. I would rather mod older titles with api wrappers, fixes and gog releases on a jack of all trade os, than going the 98/xp route on hardware it was never intended to run. It is already difficult enough, to get games from the xp era, properly running on win 7 x64 with much to fast hardware. Many games start showing high framerate issues already, least I need is os issues with unknown incompatibilities to new hardware. I would rather suggest, anyone interested in retro gaming, go for hardware up to i7 7000 series and nvidia gpus up to and including the 1000 series. Also, I would suggest monitors with max resolutions of up to 1280 by 1024 (5:4) since many games break horribly beyond that boundary. Just my experience from setting up 8 identical dell 9020's with a load of LAN titles from 2000 to 2010. 😂😅
775 is one of my favorites. So many options. My Gigabyte G41 Combo offers DDR2 and DDR3 support, PCIex16 and classic PCI, SATA, Floppy and IDE. And the best of all, it always just works.
Good to know, how good G41 actually is. I've always been a bit sniffy regarding that chipset - it seemed like a low end OEM Option and so I never bothered to try it. Maybe I should change that! 🙂
I have running a Asrock 775i65G... Best board for Win9x/XP gaming... It has AGP 8X, 4 PCI, dual-channel DDR, IDE and SATA with compatible mode in BIOS, so you can plug and SSD directly without IDE converters and install Win98SE like installing on a IDE HDD... 865i chipset is 100% compatible with Win98SE... Right now i'm running Win98SE with a Celeron 440 sipping only 35w, a Voodoo 3 3000 PCI, 2x256gb DDR and 120gb SSD...
You may very well be right, once again :) From what I was able to observe, the "retro-resurrection horizon" is around 20 years. Platforms too old for daily driving fall into sort of "limbo" where everybody forgets about them and no one wants them but as soon as they reach around 20 years of age, the enthusiasts who remember working with them start to - usually out of nostalgia - dig them out, and, given their age, it becomes generally considered retro and the demand for them ramps up again. The key here is that the hardware needs to survive the "limbo" period in which most of it gets scrapped as valueless. The amount of what remains then determines the prices when the demand goes back up. And as it becomes increasingly rare (and some even still being scrapped later, or just dying of old age), the prices go up. Unfortunately, the scrapman has an upper hand with aggressive gold/rare metal mining policies, appealing to common folk who don't understand the value of the hardware, often even subsidised by authorities, so we enthusiasts have a very difficult but noble task of saving whatever can be saved from such miserable fate.
I think that 775 could be a next thing, but nowhere near as big as for example PII Slot 1 systems with Voodoo graphics, as 775 systems were very very common and they still are in use here and there. Also they are limited to XP and Vista, which you can get newer machines (i7, etc. up to 3rd generation) which still support XP. I would say P3 or P4 systems are more versatile - you can still run DOS/W98 and have ISA soundcards and on the other end you can easily run XP. But then again I would love to get hands on a beefed up 775 machine - thinking of C2Q CPU, some dual 8800 GTS GPUs and a large Chieftec case with see-through panel
And here I've already sold my late old man's LGA 775 system (with a G31 mATX board) a few months ago after upgrading its CPU from Pentium E5200 to Core 2 Quad Q9400. Not to mention, my old LGA 775 board that was originally powered by a Core 2 Duo E4300 and has both AGP & PCIe slots seemed to have died. Although I'm still keeping my GeForce 9500GT from that dead system. Dunno if the card still works or not because it should be a nice fit for a system from that time period. Though my interest on older PC components is growing, retro PC community is probably not that big of a thing in my country, mainly thanks to the FOMO many local gamers tend to have.
And You Should Check Out Windows 7 On Ryzen System Just Get B450 Or X470 (Or A320 If You Wanted To Cheap) Motherboard Becuase Has Excellent Compatibility On Windows 7
Socket 775 being considered retro/vintage these days... man, I feel old. Feels like not that long ago (okay, it was actually 8 years ago) I was daily driving Core 2, or at least found it to be relevant for daily computing. Where did all that time go?
Hey Phil, great video again :-) been lurking your channel for many years now and it's inspired me and tought me a lot (but getting a Socket 7 System for all my DOS/early WIN-needs to work took me about 3 years -.-'). I'd really like to know, if the PCBway Sponsorship is a signal of you doing hardware repairs in the future? To answer your question at the end of the video: I think LGA 775 is an extremely versatile platform. In the absence of other reasonably priced alternatives and continued aging it's only a matter of time until it get's highl sought after. If Pentium 4 can be a collector's item, then Core2 can be for sure :-)
I'm not sure about repairs, I'd have to get a lot of gear and of course, upskill and practice. But you never know. I think in the short-term I'm very interested in 3D printing type projects for little gizmos that help with retro PCs.
In 2008 I bought an E8600 with a 775 motherboard with an nforce 750i chipset and I was able to boot the E8600 at 5ghz (not stable though) and run it at 4.8ghz 24/7. It's amazing how speeds haven't increased much in 15 years but the difference IPC makes is massive. I still have a few q6600 cpus laying around but no boards currently. 775 was a beast.
I still have my Core2Duo system which I had custom built at a local PC shop in Feb 2007; used it through 2014, after which it went into storage. Around two years ago I pulled it out of storage and set it up again. It didn't even turn on, but it was just the PSU had gone bad, so replaced it, and the system fired right up perfectly in the same state it was the last time I had used it. I'm using a Ryzen 5 5600 system now as my main desktop PC, but like having my old system running as well. I guess I was a bit of ahead of the LGA 775 retro curve LOL
After getting that system running, I did some research and realized I had missed out on the later Core2Duo processors,. so bought the parts for a Core 2 Extreme QX9650 system with a Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R mobo for my "max" LGA 775 PC.
In my experience, industrial LGA775 boards with ISA slots (and DMA support) + Pentium 4 make really good DOS/9X/XP retro systems. I feel like they've been slept on by the retro community and there is a lot of misinformation out there about these systems, especially involving Pentium 4 processors.
@@lordwiadro83 Earlier this year I was able to get boards complete with CPU, RAM and CPU coolers for about $150 USD apiece, though the availability of those have dried up. The current available boards I've seen (w/ CPU and RAM) start at around $250 USD. They're definitely not the cheapest, but they are readily available. And the alternative of building multiple retro PCs to cover the same operating systems isn't likely to be that cheap either.
@@lordwiadro83 They're about 20 years old now, so that's pretty retro at this point. As for the cost, it's a lot for an individual board, but it also allows one to build an 'all-in-one' retro PC that can span over a decade of gaming with native DOS, Win9x, and early-XP support. In comparison, doing that with multiple systems will likely cost more than the cost of a $250 motherboard.
I have an old Core 2 Quad that I've been meaning to slap XP back on. I don't think I'd bother running 98 or DOS on it, though. Getting an actual ISA sound card working in DOS is enough of a PITA, and Win98 tends to get very unstable with motherboards made after it went out of support.
I always go for ASUS LGA 775 boards with 1333Mhz FSB, that way I can get a modded bios to support quad core Xeons which are WAY more cheaper than non-server quad cores. These CPUs paired with an SDD still run Windows 10 very well. Both my daily machine and my retro XP/7 machine are LGA 775.
I just reduced my 775 prices for offers hanging around for years, then i found this video lol. Should raise em again. I have over 500 cpus from the earliest single core egg boiling machine to some cool & quiet quads. Most thing to struggle with is that SB shit. I tried so many cards and the results are evil bad. Maybe there is some 775 ISA board out there but perhaps only with FSB400 but i don't know, mine are all PCI/AGP/PCIe with DDR1+2.
A very interesting subject! It struck me how prices had already started to increase when I started collecting high-end and exotic S775, AM2/AM3 motherboard 4-5 years ago
I still have a desktop with Xeon LGA771 in LGA775 that is used daily. Completely fine as a desktop/Office apps machine. You just need SSD and you're good. Funny seeing it being retro now :D
Waaaaay ahead of you. April 2021 I found a Pentium 4 HT Sony Vaio desktop while thrifting and turned it into a XP retro gaming machine with some help from parts saved from my dead Pentium D desktop. radeon HD 3600 graphics card and SB Audigy SE, oh and two more gb of ram for a total of 3gb. Though time has taken it's toll on the old 500gb Seagate drive the bearing noise is getting a bit much...
Had one (Asus p5d Deluxe Wi-Fi, E8500 ddr2,Radeon 1950 xtx, Sound Blaster x-fi) as my main PC (2006-2013) running Windows Xp (Win7 from 2010 to 2013) . Gifted to my dad as backup machine when I upgraded to Haswell .....stopped using it a couple years ago (It was replaced by a XP VM on his main pc). These days it sits lonely and dusty in the basement near salami, coppa and wine bottles
Found my original LGA775 intel D915 boards and it popped a resister right off the board on boot. Grabbed a second hand board with core duo 2 for $30. Great for XP. Yet to setup 98se but I can now play Swat 2 again.
Completely agree on LGA775. Personally I’ve kept one on hand now purely with Vista installed.
There is only 1/2 fps between 2k,XP, and Vista when benchmarking and sometimes vista works better, it pains me to say it. As XP is usually my go to. But having a completely overkill system running a semi modern OS which is very compatible with older titles, programs, and drivers, well it speeds things up a lot.
My expectation would be for newer OSes to have an edge with newer parts and older OSes to have an edge with older parts. People talk a lot about system bloat, but I think driver validation has a bigger effect. That is, whatever is the dominant system at the time of hardware and driver release is going to get highest priority. This is kind of hard to test in Windows due to the platform using DirectX to force generational upgrades. 9.0 is the closest thing to a common platform.
As long as you've got 2 decent cores and a little more RAM than you'd need in XP SP2/3, Vista runs basically the same most of the time
Totally agree. I keep a Q9550 on a P5Q Pro with 8 GB DDR2 and a RX 570 as a fast Windows 7 PC - perfect for Anno 1404 or Skyrim maxed out :-D and it's a nice memento for the PC I actually had when I've went to university :-)
Vista really isn't much worse than 7 when patched. It was a horror show on release, though. Then again, the same could be said for XP.
@@fattomandeibu I quite like Vista. It had a rough launch, but honestly, so did XP. Everyone conveniently likes to forget XP RTM. 7 Was only so good because it's not very far from patched Vista. 8.0 and 10 releases were rough too. Vista gets hate but its nothing new. I think Vista is the best looking windows OS to-date.
Plot twist: Phil has a large LGA 775 stash hidden in his basement, and he just wants to sell them for a big profit. :-))
So do I. Don't you?
Step 1: get LGA 775 Boards, Step 2: ---, Step 3: profit :-D couldn't resist
He also tried to hype slot 1 platforms some time ago.(„sought after in the community“) I wondered why. MB are sold below 5€ on eBay .
@@guidoneumann2509 Really? I must be blind, because they don't turn up in my searches :-( or you are really lucky to find them - then good for you :-)
I need to not watch this. I have too much retro gear. Good video though.
Here watching Phil's Computer Lab videos before they double in price.
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I wipe my ass with 775 m/b's . You can find them everywhere .
Owwwwwwwwww
Not worth anything tbh, intel are kinda crap for online vunerabilities
From 10$ to 20$ is not so bad.
4th gen core i5 is already 40$ for complete pc.
For the 10 year anniversary of Windows XP going out of support I built a Core i7-3770 system with 16GB of ram and a GTX 780 Ti. Now I lay in wait for it to become officially retro 😁
Upgrade it to a GTX 960, it's one of the last XP-compatible GPUs
@@shihanafridhi9517 Last does not mean best. The 960 is around 40% of the power of a 780 Ti. Technically the i7-4790 is the best Windows XP cpu as well but finding properly compatible motherboards isn't as easy as it is for the Sandy Bridge. And if you wanna dabble a bit in technically unsupported but still workable stuff you can go with a 980 Ti by modifying the 960 drivers.
This is already retro, so you don't have to wait any longer. As mentioned, you could even use a 980 Ti as your graphics card. With my XP, Vista, W7, W8.1, W10 retro system, I play everything from Unreal (1998) to Cyberpunk 2077 with my 2600K CPU @4.5 GHz.
@@shihanafridhi9517 GTX 580 was the final to have decent driver support for dx 5/6
@@juhani6307 Interesting information, do you know which radeons were the last to support dx5/6?
Nice!
Be aware that LGA 775 (and Socket 754, 939 and AM2), while out of the "capacitor plague" era, can still be affected by bad batches of Nippon Chemi-Con, Ost and Toshin Kogyo (TK) capacitors.
On the flip-side, LGA775 also spans into the "overcompensation era", where board manufacturers would make motherboards over-engineered for reliability. Those are the ones that boast things like "Japanese" or "Solid-state" capacitors, excessive use of heatpipes on the VRM and chipsets, and extra-thick copper ground planes. They were clearly trying to restore confidence in their products for a few years after the capacitor plague.
Yeah earlier 775, 754, and 939 boards are definetly not safe from capacitor issues
In my experience a lot of earlier OEM 775 boards have this issue.
@@UserUser-zc6fx This capacitor issues are different.
Old Athlon and Pentium 2/3 mainboards had capacitors which failed during normal calculated lifetime (1-2 years after production.
You might see defective/blown up capacitors on Socket775 boards that only failed after 5-10 years.
And this is expected behaviour and had nothing to do with "capacitor plague" around 1999-2007.
source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
5 of my 775 boards are needing recaps 💀
The mileage you can get out of LGA 775 is insane. being suitable for early 90's DOS stuff all the way up to now as a low end desktop is just incredible. I do have a few old hard drives laying around so I'll probably make a 775 build with DOS on one drive and Linux on the other.
I mean, I've had one with an RX 6600 XT. I was cpu bottlenecked even with the xeon x3470 overclocked, but this socket will do ray tracing as well. not well, but it's playable.
So happy that I am on the boat for a while already. Apart from my 486, Pentium 1 MMX and Pentium 3 I really enjoy my Socket 775 with Core2Duo E8600. Runs XP as a champ with all the time correct games I like most 💪.
Thanks for years of your good advice on all of these systems!
I took the old pc from my father when he switched to apple 6 years ago. But it's a different Sockel with an athlon X4. Have geek xp on it.
But such an e8000 something I also have. But I switched the CPU to an q6600 i had. But on this one is windows 10. Still don't know what exactly I want to do with it.
Here in my country 775 platform with DDR3 RAM is an entry level for normal use computer. They sell complete machines for around 50 USD. The most popular ones are 5th generation intel corporative machines like lenovo thinkcentre for around 100 USD.
Thanks for your videos!
Greetings from Colombia
Prices are really close to what we get here in Brazil. I still daily an LGA775 PC at work
LGA775 has been well known for building XP systems since it is a good flexible platform. Very common. I also like AM2-AM3+ for many of the same reasons. Wide variety of available CPUs, video cards and sound cards. Also lot of legacy support carried forward to this point.
Questionable. Alot of gpus are failing cause of pre-2009 era nvidia troubles. Or cause just being a >2003 bga cards running userviced for many years (anything from ROHS era has a lead-free soldering). Some AM2 suffers with chipsets issue for the same reason. AMD precessors are less effective to process 32 bit code (compared to how they process 64 bit code and you probably don't need XP 64 bit) and XP barely benefits from multi-core. Literally any task that requires multi-core CPU or benefits from it, can be excecuted in Windows 7 or higher. Sound cards? Not to many 775 PCs had em. Some games benefits from PCI sound blasters but it's more related to 478 era.
@@dmwzrlighten up a bit, go for a walk, breath some fresh air
AM2+ is dirt cheap, I got a decent micro atx Asus board with an Nvidia chipset and a Phenom II X3 for 20$. A bit of oc and it makes for a really fast XP system for next to nothing. Anything AGP is getting overpriced now.
@@dmwzr Depends, sure. Athlon64, X2, Core2, etc can all run 32bit code just fine. A64s were outperforming Pentium 4s and using less power doing so. XP (32 or 64 bit) can utilize multiple cores to a point, certainly anywhere between 1 and 4 cores. Sound cards still matter since onboard audio hadn't started getting really good by that point and didn't have support for EAX if you had a game that leveraged it. SoundBlasters would support EAX and provide for a better overall sound experience over onboard, particularly if the onboard audio wasn't well isolated from interference. As far as GPUs, if you care about period correctness, yea, some of those era cards may not currently be viable/stable/available. If you don't care so much about period correctness, there's plenty of CPU and GPU options that, while not period correct, still got XP driver support even if they'd be overkill and underutilized by XP. Just opens up more options vs increasingly scarce SS7-S478 era hardware.
@@thegreatboto XP can utilize multiple cores and even more that 4, but applications that benefits from this, can be executed in slightly newer environment.
Sound cards are not essential to have EAX. In 775 era when Vista hit the market the only thing you needed to have EAX 4.0 were just OpenAL installed. Integrated audio were worse, but most of the games had 16 bit sound (most likely compressed) and won't benefit much. It can be an addition (just like for a modern PC) but it's not that crucial anymore for 775. And yeah you have a point. You can grab some GT710 and you gonna be good to go, that makes sense. I'm just not sure if we can count this as cheap retro parts. Surely 775 is more versatile cause always can utilize sata and pci-e drives. But if we go so far, why it's 775, not 1366 or 1156. Both usually can run 7/Vista/XP.
>A64s were outperforming Pentium 4s and using less power doing so
Were also cheaper and produced slightly less heat, yes. I still have Athlon 3000+ with Biostar Geforce 6100 mobo. No north bridge, cool and quite. And there is alot of this CPUs around. Sadly enough 754 / 939 platforms requires nForce chipset mobos for best performance which will initially fail.
Currently using a GA-EP45T-UD3LR with a Q9650 and 8GB DDR3 1333MHz. Extremely stable and reliable, almost zero issues except some PCIE dramas but I only use it for testing stuff and data recovery. Honestly, there's no better choice for legacy yet performing platforms
I have my dad's ol XPS 420 upgraded to q9650 and 8gb ddr2 and a GTX 960 for driver reasons, I have it triple boot system XP,7,10 soon 11 just for lols, and I found a old office PC with a Pen D upgraded that to q6600 and 4gb ram wanna get a high end 2006 GPU for the system so I got my main lga 775 system and a backup and the backup I had to use a floppy to update the bios lol and didn't corrupt the bios the XPS has an SSD
Awesome combo!
the other day i found a working asrock 775vm800 on a dumpster computer and it was pretty shocking how a low end board is now worth a premium due to the AGP slot
Big fan of LGA775, it is just so flexible. Previously used my Q9650 with Linux Mint for HTPC, it's now been upgraded to a WinXP retro machine. It's that perfect crossover point between retro and modern, where you have older ports and OS support, but bios support for nice-to-have features like SATA and PCIe
I think it's a bit of a stretch to call Windows 11 compatible with LGA 775. Windows 11 now requires the POPCNT instruction, which is not available on any LGA 775 CPUs as far as I'm aware. Although older versions of 11 will work, 24H2 and up won't.
I wasn't aware if this! I used Rufus to create the boot USB and it just worked, so was pleasantly surprised 😮
@@philscomputerlab For games, it does not matter at all.
need a supported PC, or just run games !
After trying to revive my old Socket A from high school, I went with 775, and aside from video drivers being a bit messy given my setup, it's been a worthy retro platform to work with. I'll thank Phil for that.
I've got what I think is the best 775 route, a 865 chipset board with AGP. I have a Celeron 440 in it (2GHz single core Conroe), a 6600GT and nice Yamaha sound card; works for pretty much all 98 and XP games.
Sounds great!
@@philscomputerlab I'm sure it was inspired by your videos!
I think one of the best Socket 775 board is the one that has Intel 865 chipset too, and paired with Intel Celeron 400 series. With this combination you get: complete support of Windows 98 drivers, AGP slot, and IDE connector. I bought three Asus P5PE-VM because of this
Another interesting bit is that even tough Intel Celeron 400 series is newer than Pentium 4 and using socket 775 it's actually single-core and based on Intel's P6 microachitecture just like Pentium Pro/II/III. Oh, and also it's only 35 watt TDP, so passive-cooling is possible.
I have been picking a few from this era for this exact reason. The "retro" window keeps moving and what was retro is now antique and the older slower computers are now retro.
Smart
You don’t necessarily need 775. Most 1st-4th gen boards support native XP with benefits of being able to install any modern linux/windows OS incl. Win 11. They are great to multi boot anything XP through 11 natively along with linux 😊
Also, LGA 775 has some awesome Xeons available! The Q6600 gets a lot of attention, but it has nothing on the Xeon X3230.
Agreed! And it's easier to buy them vs the equivalent Core 2...
There are many very odd S775 boards out there. ASRock P45 TurboTwins 2000 for example. With a slotted PCB to switch between SLI and XFire support. XD
You can even mount a netburst based Pentium D in there, for the P4 nostalgia.
The Core2Xtreme CPUs were massively overpriced even over 5 years ago, the Yorkfield based Q96xx oder Q95xx do just fine, for a third/quarter of the price.
Got lucky last month with two socket 775 machines for 5€ each in the local ads. Low End ones, but in nice cases. And working, after more than 10 years in storage!
@PhilsComputerLab there is one thing for forgot to Mention or might not be aware of it which is that the LGA 775 also supports 771 CPUs when you do a small modification to the Socket and apply a Sticker to the CPU that swaps 2 Pins on the LGA 771 CPU.
The 771 Xeon CPUs are extremely fast an much cheaper than the Qore2Quad equivalent.
I've done this with my Asus P5Q-Deluxe and the performance was amazing.
Of course you also have to add the Microcodes to the BIOS but that's pretty easy .
Yes Phil running a xeon 2.5 and xeon 3.0 GHz and a NVIDIA 8800 GTS nice performance.
Ah yes! I've done dedicated videos about this topic, but didn't mention it for this video. Good addition!
Im happy anytime someone finds use for older computer parts. I personally like sandy bridge for windows XP only because I feel like the intel 2600k was one of their best CPU ever made. I used that PC for almost 10 years, and it went through 5 video card upgrades 460,570,670,970 and a 1080 and on top of that It had XP, 7 and Windows 10 before I finally upgraded the whole pc. Unheard of back in the day.
Agreed, Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge are awesome 😎
My main Windows 98 build is a LGA 775 with AGP. Has a Pentium 4, FX 5900 SE, and Aureal Vortex 2. Very fast for late Win 98 games.
I can't Phil, you already convinced me to get a 775i65G R2.0 in 2019. :P
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LGA771 conversions can help stretch the legs of this platform a little further for cheap, with slightly more modern xeons.
I remember when converted and overclocked LGA771 Xeons paired with entry level gaming GPUs were considered ok budget gaming rigs.
Top tip: find a 775 board with AGP for better DOS and WIn98 support.
I think one of the best Socket 775 board is the one that has Intel 865 chipset, and paired with Intel Celeron 400 series. With this combination you get: complete support of Windows 98 drivers, AGP slot, and IDE connector. I bought three Asus P5PE-VM because of this
Another interesting bit is that even tough Intel Celeron 400 series is newer than Pentium 4 and using socket 775 it's actually single-core and based on Intel's P6 microachitecture just like Pentium Pro/II/III. Oh, and also it's only 35 watt TDP, so passive-cooling is possible.
If you are going to build a 775 system, be wary of old Asus 775 boards, namely P5 series. They have an issue with Chassis Intrusion detection, which can't be disabled through BIOS. I've recently built a system on P5K-E/WIFI-AP and this issue blocks you from booting a system. I had to locate and remove a transistor off the board to fix it.
Retro?! My media server still runs on an LGA775 machine! 😄
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I already got mine up and running :) Gigabyte EX38+Q9550+EVGA GTX 285 2GB / GTS 250 PhysX card with Xfi Titanium sound card. Built it before things go up.
I’ve been collecting motherboards for about 10 years now, and I am glad I held onto a lot of the 775 boards. I got them supper cheap ($10-$15) when nobody wanted them. Now I see the going rate is about $25 and on up including shipping. Funny how what people thought was garbage a few years ago is now sought after and valued.
I have a few a full functional "retro pcs in my possession. SS7, Slot1, FCPGA2 S487@479 (ASUS CT 479) and a P45 S775 is on the shelf. Except for socket 775, all older sockets are very expensive on Ebay. As example ASUS tusl2-c. ASUS P5A and the adapter ASUS CT 479 does not exist anymore on Ebay.
Oh yeah it is!
I think I already posted this under one of your early videos from years ago, but I was able to build a sweet retro PC out of the first revision of Intel-produced 775 motherboards and the first Pentium 4 supported on that platform. Couple that with a GeForce 6800-equivalent PCI-E Quadro card that use a hacked driver for Windows 98 and it's a beast of a Win 98 PC.
Nice work!
I never used the LG 775 platform, but now I want to look into it.
Me: still running my P45 chipset overlocked E7400 as a HTPC
Phil: it's retro now !
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Hehe yes!
The Samsung 950 Pro is the only NVME SSD that has a build in bootrom so that it can boot on any system that doesn't support it natively like any socket 775
That is cool!
I have plenty of 775 boards, and the 1150 is more retro friendly. The 4790k is the most retro friendly, it works with 98 and XP x64/server2003 without major workarounds. There is also 1150 AGP industrial boards available with agp if you want that. I have such a board, but i prefer to use my basic Asus Z97A and with a Aureal Vortex2 with a dreamblaster 2x and a voodoo5 5500 PCI upgraded to 128mb vram. In windows 98 you have to get the 512mb patch though since there is no ddr3 modules small enough to run it with the voodoo5 installed.
I also have a PCI riser from pcie4 with two slots which carries a tv-in card from Hauppage so i can play retro consoles without emulation and a Promise 133TX controller for storage. All of this hardware also works just fine in BeOS as long as you get the 768mb ram patch. You can not use the voodoo5 in the riser, but the other cards work fine in the riser.
To use the WinTV card you want a brooktree 878 card and avoid the 848 as the plague, since video quality of the 848 is awful.
my ASRock 775i65G R3.0 is officially supported by Windows 98 (Intel 865G + ICH5)
I recently got a Core 2 Extreme QX9650 that will pair well with the XFX 790i I already had. I feel like I'm about to put together a really great LGA 775 system.
A lot of my retro PC collection is from me not getting rid of the parts when I replaced them, and at the time I didn't have the budget to get a LGA775 system. I had a Socket AM2+ motherboard with a Phenom II X4 940 and 8 GB of RAM, which I gave to my dad until I handed down my Ivy Bridge system to him. That Phenom II is about equivalent to an overclocked Q6600, and I managed to find a Radeon 5870 to pair with it for a Windows Vista machine!
Socket AM2+ is amazing on Vista! I have a couple of phenoms all running at 3.6 to 4ghz and they beat the crap out of my q6600 which i could only get up to 3ghz on my 680i sli. Even the E8400 at 4ghz I have in it now on windows 7 feels less responsive
Glad I found my 775 motherboard during the pandemic. Searched for one year to score a ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.00. Such an awesome board.
Love the support for quad core, AGP 8x, PCIe, DDR2, IDE and Sata-II. Ultimate compatibility for my needs.
A few weeks ago I built a system with a very similar board - the Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3L using ~2008 parts. It's been great so far for WinXP with the exception of the Dell OEM PCIE Physx card I wanted to use, which I couldn't get working. I'm using the machine for a playthrough of Curse The Eye of Isis right now, but I'm sure it can handle something more modern.
LGA 1155 is also great for a 32bit WinXP build. I used a 3ghz cpu and a GTX 980 Ti (probably about the last gpu released with official winxp support). Works amazingly well and has fantastic support for early 2000's era games. Also has enough juice to crank up the graphics in the nvidia control panel.
i have i5 2500K with XP x64 and it works perfectly, so not only 32 bit... no compatibility issues with games newer than year 2000. I think if you don't need to run 16-bit software, you should stick with x64 edition. It opens you way to use more than 3.25 GB of memory, very useful with "modern" activities like browsing a web with Supermium, which is doable similar to modern Win11 build.
Or go with dualbooting like me, I have XP x86 on second partition only for DOS games :D
@@tennickjestzajety69 I just use my main pc for anything 64 bit, but yeah I know what you're saying ;) 64bit cpu's didn't really start hitting mainstream until around 2003, so a lot of games from around that time still weren't compatible yet. Honestly don't even notice the lack of memory with games from that era. 4gb was usually the max supported by mainboards around that time anyway.
I can’t believe they haven’t yet, shows how plentiful they still are. But I miss the ISA port
5 years ago i got an Asus P5W DH Deluxe and it runs Pentium 4 all the way to core 2 quad.
Currently it has a Q6600 and 4GB of DDR2. Paired it with a HD5850.
It only cost 5 dollars for the board, an E6600 and cooler.
The board comes out of 2006, but supports on board WiFi and other fancy features for the time like crossfire support.
My favorite platform, it's simply amazing, and it's very versatile. The motherboard are solid, very important, a P35 chipset will last you forever.
I still have my old Gigabyte P35 board and Core2Duo E8400 :) Its retro now but I feel like just only one year have passed...
You should upgrade the CPU to QE 9650, get a new Geforce for it !
I have a P45 system with a Q9550 that's been running non-stop since January 2009!
turn off, give him some breath :D
What Motherboard, Gigabyte???
@@ricardobarros1090 yep GA-EP45-UD3R
@@ricardobarros1090 yes, GA-EP45-UD3R, Also 2 mechanical drives in there with similar hour count, 320gig seagate and a 640gig WD Black drive :D
I don't plan to use this with DOS, although P31 does probably have that kind of backwards reach, but I would really stack it up to the max with that chipset including community patches that get 4GBs of RAM to work on Windows 98SE. I don't know if we got multi-core support somewhere before Windows XP, but that would be interesting. Get a high enough OpenGL support in a graphics card, you might run some of these modern source ports for some games like Quake. Which I've been quite interested in.
Using a Q9550 series CPU,16GB DDR3 with a stripped down W11, running Launchbox (for consoles) and ExoDos. Not DOS tweaking required. I have period specific computers but mostly use the above device.
why you need Windows 11 on that ?
The 8400 was an absolute gaming beast back then and still cheap as chips, though i prefer the raw grunt of the quads
The DUOs are better if you lean towards the XP and earlier software. The cores on the E8000s are significantly more stout that the quads.
@@UserUser-zc6fx You can overclock some of the quads to 4.0GHz - I did it with a Q9550 which is normally 2.83GHz. 100% stable with IntelBurnTest.
I already know that is the next retro pc hardware to have, to the point of already building a windows xp with a LGA775 Core 2 Quad 9550 and as GPU an GTX 960 that was the last one to have official drivers for XP, also an Audigy 2 installed... As i was seeing this video i thought that you are spot on on the specs...
Some LGA 775 boards have very good backward compatibility. It is possible to run Windows 98 on it, but the options for a graphics card are limited to ma. Geforce 7xxx or Radeon 1300. Most sound chipsets and networking drivers do not work under win98. But XP/2k works also very fast on this platform, and it is possible to use dosbox for older speed sensible dos programms. I have used a LGA 775 PC with Winxp only, Core2Duo E8600, 128 GB SDD, and Geforce 560 for years as an ultimate retro pc. Old Windows software runs fine, and a lot of dos games too. The price of this build was under 50€...
Well, Windows 11 support will end with version 24H2 due to C2D CPUs lacking the POPCNT instruction but apart from that those boards are amazingly versatile
Not that Windows 11 is relevant anyway since Windows 10 LTSC is a thing.
Me praying for the day someone comes looking for my lga 775 pentium 4😂
I've been thinking of building an LGA 775 with an E8400 WinXP machine. I have very fond memories of that platform both just gaming but also overclocking. Getting an E8400 to 4Ghz on air was great.
Yes it will do great!
I have a Compaq Presario with Core 2 duo E7300 and I was able to play duke3d with sound thanks to sbemu. This computer was going to trash and spent 2 month under the snow and I just realised how compatible it was. Sbemu is the real game changer I think. I had stopped playing duke3d since I had no sound and emulators didn’t feel right. Last time I played was on a 100Mhz pentium.
Then I tried installing windows 3.11 and it worked, with sound and internet. This time with actual windows drivers for intel hd audio. Unfortunately I couldn’t find drivers for onboard lan. Luckily I had a 2000 ish pci lan card that I was able to find win 3.11 drivers for ( or maybe dos drivers )
I have to say that was an amazing experience. The goal was to recreate my first computer experience with my grown up knowledge.
Also installing dos on a usb stick makes file transfer so easy.
I have a socket 775 motherboard with AGP and PCIe, it supports the last pentium 4's and Pentium/Celeron D's. It also has windows 98 drivers
I have too, a Asus Motherboard PCIe + AGP. Só fun
Still own several 775 boards and CPU's... I'm currently using 875 for my Win98SE and 775 for my Vista build (yeah I also prefer Vista over XP). Planning to ditch 775 for AM3+ with a FX4300 black edition on the Vista build.
Personally I have always kept a 775 board just for the joys of giving a Q6600 a good sound thrashing.
I own a motherboard with 2 GB, a pentium 4 @ 3,06ghz, and Sis chipset. I was not able to start win98 nor winme on this. I also own a handful of gigabyte mobos, all maxed out with core2 and ram. I don't try neither msdos nor win98 nor winme on any of them. The fact they boot without UEFI is sometimes very useful
I had Asus P5E back in the day, just picked up a P5E Delux with a Q9550 for £35 really wanted the P5E as I still gave the box for it but the delux will probably do. I have a couple of E8500 cpus so not sure for gaming the core 2 or the core quad will be better. Do you think pairing with a GTX 280 is appropriate?
Loved the video where you took this platform and ran the fastest PCI-E windows 98 videocard.
Yep. I have a cpuple already, needed good CPU, sound blaster and a parallel port so managed to buy a couple of these new old stock about 4 years ago. Awesome.
I've always been a big fan of socket 775 and socket 939 as they can both be made to work perfectly be well in Windows 98 and later. I do think I prefer the AGP versions of both sockets, but have been successful with the PCIE versions for the most part. I also think they both allow the use of the former highly undesirable processors like the Pentium 4 and single core socket 939. Flexible and cheap. Glad you made this video, as I'm well stocked already and won't be competing on purchases, lol. Great job!
I already got some Socket775 platforms beside Socket7 and SocketA for retro PC purposes.
As you already mentioned its the flexibility and wide spectrum which gets supported (PCI, AGP and PCIe for cards and USB, P-ATA and S-ATA ports for periphericals) and as OS you can go with DOS, Windows9x to XP and even Win7/8/10.
And the availability and price to performance ratio is great.
i built an XP machine using the 775 since that was what i had back in the day. really cheap to make something stupidly overpowered thanks to the Core2Duo and i was surprised that i could get actual DOS games working on it!
Recently started dual booting Win 7 for better compat with some of the later games and this video has convinced me to pick up a Core 2 Extreme lol
Thank you Phils, God bless you my friend!!! 🙋🏼♂️
Same to you!
I am currently using a Wolfdale C2D running as my file server. I’m retiring it soon, so I might use it in substitution of my i7-2600 board as my XP/classic gaming machine with a GTX 960 4GB. Otherwise, it’s a Dell Inspiron 630s with no purpose.
Thoughts on future use, hive-mind?
Yeah I have thought about getting a matching pair of GeForce 9800 cards and a Socket 775 board to run them. Not really fancying it now, but maybe in 5 years time? I had a S775 system as my first PC I bought with my own money, which kinda repells me from the platform though, I'm always more interested in "new-to-me" stuff.
Having just gotten back into desktops again after years of laptops, I dug out my box of spare parts and realized I still have four LGA 775 motherboards in the house, DDR2 and DDR3, and like eight different CPUs. The configurability of this platform is really amazing, I think maybe AMD's modern AM4 platform comes close.
I decided to run an E6300 underclocked to 1.2Ghz with 4GB of DDR2 memory and a 9600GT, which is overkill for old retro games, but it also allows me to dual boot into Windows 7 for 64-bit support. At first I chose a P4 630 Prescott, but then switched to the E6300 as I can run it this low and get equivalent performance at much lower heat and power consumption. And it's comparable to a dual P3s Tualitin too, I think :)
Proud socket 775 PC with DDR3 owner here! While it's in retirement for now, I plan to upgrade it in the future to max it out.
Supports up to 1600 MHz FSB and 16 GB of RAM. With a Q9650 OC-ed to 3.6 GHz it's probably gonna run the latest games too with a GPU upgrade.
Note that PCI-E x1 2.0 is 533 MB/s, so not really faster than SATA 3.
I have a nice lga 775 runs a q9550 and ddr3 8gb ram. That computer has fdd controller and floppy drive. Along with burner and card reader. Dual booting both xp and windows 10. I use it as a easy gateway between new and old. Even managed to get real 3dfx voodoo 2 cards running under 64bit windows 10 along with PAE under xp 32bit. I also have a massive amount of storage for the time in that box mainly use it for driver storage and archiving. Along with disk image files from my older computers incase I need to roll back. Also super nice to easily go on a website download a image and write a floppy or cdrom within seconds rather then doing it in stages :)
I needed a good workshop PC for some CAD/internet browsing, I had a Gigabyte LGA775 P45 mobo with a modded LGA771 X5460 cpu and 16GB of DDR2 on it, felt good for the job. But now I hear this is good for retro too? Damn? I was sure this thing was pretty much worthless by now.. :)
Might have been nice to mention a couple of prominent games which wont work (e.g. missing ISA Soundcard, or graphics card).
Also what would have been interesting are 5 1/4 floppy drives. Platform could be a good option to have 5 1/4 floppy working on Win10 or so. That is if the port and BIOS can handle it.
I have two of these sitting in my back room that are fully functional. I'm covered. One of them was my daily driver for ages.
I have a Intel D975XBX2KR motherboard in my collection. Seemed a good choice at the time because it has peripheral wise the old (floppy, ide, etc) and modern pci-e and sata. Good video as usual, thanks
I had 2 775 and 1 478. They all died. That is why i choose HP T610 as my WinXP platform and HPT5720 for win98. It all because of you Phil.
Honestly, I had to make that same decision as you mention here and weighed many possibilities. While I have 5 HP elite 8000 bought for less than 25€... ultimatively, I decided against further betting on that 775 horse.
Rather, I was gifted 4 (3, one for parts) optiplex 9020 sff with i5 4590's and turned them into LAN party machines, I now have 8 of them, running win 7 pro x64 with gt 1030's.
I would rather mod older titles with api wrappers, fixes and gog releases on a jack of all trade os, than going the 98/xp route on hardware it was never intended to run.
It is already difficult enough, to get games from the xp era, properly running on win 7 x64 with much to fast hardware.
Many games start showing high framerate issues already, least I need is os issues with unknown incompatibilities to new hardware. I would rather suggest, anyone interested in retro gaming, go for hardware up to i7 7000 series and nvidia gpus up to and including the 1000 series. Also, I would suggest monitors with max resolutions of up to 1280 by 1024 (5:4) since many games break horribly beyond that boundary.
Just my experience from setting up 8 identical dell 9020's with a load of LAN titles from 2000 to 2010. 😂😅
Thank you for sharing and you make great points 🙏👍
775 is one of my favorites. So many options. My Gigabyte G41 Combo offers DDR2 and DDR3 support, PCIex16 and classic PCI, SATA, Floppy and IDE. And the best of all, it always just works.
Good to know, how good G41 actually is. I've always been a bit sniffy regarding that chipset - it seemed like a low end OEM Option and so I never bothered to try it. Maybe I should change that! 🙂
I have running a Asrock 775i65G... Best board for Win9x/XP gaming... It has AGP 8X, 4 PCI, dual-channel DDR, IDE and SATA with compatible mode in BIOS, so you can plug and SSD directly without IDE converters and install Win98SE like installing on a IDE HDD... 865i chipset is 100% compatible with Win98SE... Right now i'm running Win98SE with a Celeron 440 sipping only 35w, a Voodoo 3 3000 PCI, 2x256gb DDR and 120gb SSD...
You may very well be right, once again :)
From what I was able to observe, the "retro-resurrection horizon" is around 20 years.
Platforms too old for daily driving fall into sort of "limbo" where everybody forgets about them and no one wants them but as soon as they reach around 20 years of age, the enthusiasts who remember working with them start to - usually out of nostalgia - dig them out, and, given their age, it becomes generally considered retro and the demand for them ramps up again.
The key here is that the hardware needs to survive the "limbo" period in which most of it gets scrapped as valueless. The amount of what remains then determines the prices when the demand goes back up. And as it becomes increasingly rare (and some even still being scrapped later, or just dying of old age), the prices go up.
Unfortunately, the scrapman has an upper hand with aggressive gold/rare metal mining policies, appealing to common folk who don't understand the value of the hardware, often even subsidised by authorities, so we enthusiasts have a very difficult but noble task of saving whatever can be saved from such miserable fate.
Great summary of what's happening 😊
I think that 775 could be a next thing, but nowhere near as big as for example PII Slot 1 systems with Voodoo graphics, as 775 systems were very very common and they still are in use here and there. Also they are limited to XP and Vista, which you can get newer machines (i7, etc. up to 3rd generation) which still support XP.
I would say P3 or P4 systems are more versatile - you can still run DOS/W98 and have ISA soundcards and on the other end you can easily run XP.
But then again I would love to get hands on a beefed up 775 machine - thinking of C2Q CPU, some dual 8800 GTS GPUs and a large Chieftec case with see-through panel
Phil's back on the lav mic 😛 there's a time and a place for condenser microphones
Well, the videos aren't in sequence haha. This one was produced a few weeks ago 😊
And here I've already sold my late old man's LGA 775 system (with a G31 mATX board) a few months ago after upgrading its CPU from Pentium E5200 to Core 2 Quad Q9400. Not to mention, my old LGA 775 board that was originally powered by a Core 2 Duo E4300 and has both AGP & PCIe slots seemed to have died. Although I'm still keeping my GeForce 9500GT from that dead system. Dunno if the card still works or not because it should be a nice fit for a system from that time period.
Though my interest on older PC components is growing, retro PC community is probably not that big of a thing in my country, mainly thanks to the FOMO many local gamers tend to have.
And You Should Check Out Windows 7 On Ryzen System
Just Get B450 Or X470 (Or A320 If You Wanted To Cheap) Motherboard Becuase Has Excellent Compatibility On Windows 7
Socket 775 being considered retro/vintage these days... man, I feel old. Feels like not that long ago (okay, it was actually 8 years ago) I was daily driving Core 2, or at least found it to be relevant for daily computing. Where did all that time go?
You and me both 😔
Hey Phil, great video again :-) been lurking your channel for many years now and it's inspired me and tought me a lot (but getting a Socket 7 System for all my DOS/early WIN-needs to work took me about 3 years -.-'). I'd really like to know, if the PCBway Sponsorship is a signal of you doing hardware repairs in the future? To answer your question at the end of the video: I think LGA 775 is an extremely versatile platform. In the absence of other reasonably priced alternatives and continued aging it's only a matter of time until it get's highl sought after. If Pentium 4 can be a collector's item, then Core2 can be for sure :-)
I'm not sure about repairs, I'd have to get a lot of gear and of course, upskill and practice. But you never know. I think in the short-term I'm very interested in 3D printing type projects for little gizmos that help with retro PCs.
I ran XP, 7 through to 10 on my machine, still have it Q9550, 8GB! A beast!
In 2008 I bought an E8600 with a 775 motherboard with an nforce 750i chipset and I was able to boot the E8600 at 5ghz (not stable though) and run it at 4.8ghz 24/7. It's amazing how speeds haven't increased much in 15 years but the difference IPC makes is massive.
I still have a few q6600 cpus laying around but no boards currently.
775 was a beast.
I still have my Core2Duo system which I had custom built at a local PC shop in Feb 2007; used it through 2014, after which it went into storage. Around two years ago I pulled it out of storage and set it up again. It didn't even turn on, but it was just the PSU had gone bad, so replaced it, and the system fired right up perfectly in the same state it was the last time I had used it. I'm using a Ryzen 5 5600 system now as my main desktop PC, but like having my old system running as well. I guess I was a bit of ahead of the LGA 775 retro curve LOL
After getting that system running, I did some research and realized I had missed out on the later Core2Duo processors,. so bought the parts for a Core 2 Extreme QX9650 system with a Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R mobo for my "max" LGA 775 PC.
I have a retro 775 PC, over 17 years old. Most components are upgraded
In my experience, industrial LGA775 boards with ISA slots (and DMA support) + Pentium 4 make really good DOS/9X/XP retro systems. I feel like they've been slept on by the retro community and there is a lot of misinformation out there about these systems, especially involving Pentium 4 processors.
Unfortunately, industrial boards are not cheap, if I am not mistaken?
@@lordwiadro83 Earlier this year I was able to get boards complete with CPU, RAM and CPU coolers for about $150 USD apiece, though the availability of those have dried up. The current available boards I've seen (w/ CPU and RAM) start at around $250 USD. They're definitely not the cheapest, but they are readily available. And the alternative of building multiple retro PCs to cover the same operating systems isn't likely to be that cheap either.
@@shponglefan $250 for a LGA 775 board is insane. And they are not even retro, at least in my view.
@@lordwiadro83 They're about 20 years old now, so that's pretty retro at this point. As for the cost, it's a lot for an individual board, but it also allows one to build an 'all-in-one' retro PC that can span over a decade of gaming with native DOS, Win9x, and early-XP support. In comparison, doing that with multiple systems will likely cost more than the cost of a $250 motherboard.
45NM CPU support!!! 😮 Take that AMD!! 😂😂
Love the content as always Phil!
I have an old Core 2 Quad that I've been meaning to slap XP back on. I don't think I'd bother running 98 or DOS on it, though. Getting an actual ISA sound card working in DOS is enough of a PITA, and Win98 tends to get very unstable with motherboards made after it went out of support.
I always go for ASUS LGA 775 boards with 1333Mhz FSB, that way I can get a modded bios to support quad core Xeons which are WAY more cheaper than non-server quad cores. These CPUs paired with an SDD still run Windows 10 very well. Both my daily machine and my retro XP/7 machine are LGA 775.
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ASUS did official 1600 FSB, my QE9650 build, DDR 3
too old for daily ! play some old games only
I just reduced my 775 prices for offers hanging around for years, then i found this video lol. Should raise em again. I have over 500 cpus from the earliest single core egg boiling machine to some cool & quiet quads. Most thing to struggle with is that SB shit. I tried so many cards and the results are evil bad. Maybe there is some 775 ISA board out there but perhaps only with FSB400 but i don't know, mine are all PCI/AGP/PCIe with DDR1+2.
A very interesting subject!
It struck me how prices had already started to increase when I started collecting high-end and exotic S775, AM2/AM3 motherboard 4-5 years ago
I still have a desktop with Xeon LGA771 in LGA775 that is used daily. Completely fine as a desktop/Office apps machine. You just need SSD and you're good. Funny seeing it being retro now :D
Waaaaay ahead of you. April 2021 I found a Pentium 4 HT Sony Vaio desktop while thrifting and turned it into a XP retro gaming machine with some help from parts saved from my dead Pentium D desktop. radeon HD 3600 graphics card and SB Audigy SE, oh and two more gb of ram for a total of 3gb. Though time has taken it's toll on the old 500gb Seagate drive the bearing noise is getting a bit much...
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Had one (Asus p5d Deluxe Wi-Fi, E8500 ddr2,Radeon 1950 xtx, Sound Blaster x-fi) as my main PC (2006-2013) running Windows Xp (Win7 from 2010 to 2013) .
Gifted to my dad as backup machine when I upgraded to Haswell .....stopped using it a couple years ago (It was replaced by a XP VM on his main pc).
These days it sits lonely and dusty in the basement near salami, coppa and wine bottles
Found my original LGA775 intel D915 boards and it popped a resister right off the board on boot. Grabbed a second hand board with core duo 2 for $30. Great for XP. Yet to setup 98se but I can now play Swat 2 again.