Damn right, I came accross a struggling stamplar the other day and I spent 6 hours with him, he went from 5k to 25k dps, using base game, easy to get, purple level sets and not even in the right traits, all he had to do is a little effort
That's awesome, this game needs more people like you man. I've done the same. Some people legit don't know how to play the game. Even a few tips can make huge difference.
@@ooasylumoo8440 yeah, It's a nice experience, I kept contact with that dude and will run dungeons and trials with him sometimes :) I hope one day every dude I helped helps another dude, and that way I would've made the community a bit better
I completely agree with you. While this isn’t true for everyone, there seems to be a great deal of entitlement in people today. They seem to expect that things can and should be handed to them without a ton of effort. It’s not just ESO it comes around in all walks of life.
I know many mid level CP players that have no idea about rotations. Ignorance is real. I still suck at rotations but I learned the hard way...basically kicked myself from a group for pulling 15k in vDSA. After that someone actually broke down what a rotation even was. I’m better now but still working on hitting some better numbers.
My gf enjoys watching me play ESO. I only have one toon as im having too much fun as my Healer. When im not doing heals for my guildies I switch my skills up and hand the controller to my gf and let her do quests. Thanks for this vid man. I think you just made two gamers happy in my home. Cheers. Subbed.
Great video! And that’s coming from me, a struggling casual player who hasn’t put in the proper work...at least not yet (I’m trying now, at least some). I’m a spaz, bad at weaving, easily thrown off even a simple rotation.... you name it, I probably do it wrong. Although I wish I could just say I’ll be better when I get new gear or more CP, I know it’s not true. So even if this isn’t what people WANT to hear, it’s still what they NEED to hear.
I agree 100% I've been playing ESO since just before one Tamriel, switched from pc to PS4 just before Summerset, during that 3-4 year period I've only actually done acceptable DPS after my switch to ps4. And this is because of one reason, I exposed myself to great ESO content created by veterans like Asian, Alcast and xynode. I feel like the reason that a considerable amount of the ESO community, some would argue that it's the majority, cannot do good acceptable DPS, is simply because of the fact that information is not readily available regarding good DPS practices, rotations,animation cancelling and synergies between skills and sets and so on. Unless a person follows the content of veteran UA-camrs like Asian and Alcast that help the community or they have experienced friends, they simply do not understand the fact that what they're doing is wrong and that they have to change that. I can confidently say that almost every new player isn't even aware that farming/crafting gear from cp0-160 is a waste, and that they don't even know what a rotation is let alone how to properly pull off one. And this boils down to ESO not making all of this information readily available. Unless a person actively goes on to UA-cam to watch build videos, they have no exposure to any of this within ESO. ESO pushes players to basically feel like they can do whatever they like , and this is not the case in terms of being able to do good DPS. If ESO could promote these UA-camrs or incorporate actual end game DPS related tips and advice into the game, I feel like the majority of our DPS related problems within the community will be alleviated.
This is the most importants eso videos i have seen so far, its casts light over a "case" that many new/mid players struggle with ... and dont talk about openly.. how many times have people get kicked out of the grp, becouse of bad dps, think we know the answer!
While I agree with pretty much all all points in the video, I don't think it will change many peoples mind. The thing is, what's being said here is already pretty clear to anyone with the mindset required to do decent in this game's non-trivial content. It has been stated many times by experienced players on the forums and everywhere else. The problem with people who cry about too high DPS requirements and "elitism" in this game is the following: they fundamentally want a different game and a different experience than we do. They want the gratification of feeling impact-full and powerful, but without having to put in any work. They want to feel good about themselves, but when they try to push themselves they start failing (as everyone does) and it makes them feel bad. As you said, they don't have the bit of discipline to persevere through that. That's the reason they will find endless external factors or people that they can blame for their failing, so that they can make sense of it without having to feel bad. That's why I don't believe that these people can really be reasoned with or talked to to change their mind, very similar to how you cannot reason with a religious person. It's why they won't leave and play a different game that's designed for them, that would require a minimum of self-reflection that could hurt their feelings, and they will retreat to the safe zone of "someone else's fault". As long as there are people doing better than them because they tried hard, it will be a thorn in their side because then they would also have to try hard. No amount of talking will give them the self-reflection or discipline they need to even realize that they might be wrong, it's something that I feel must come from experiences in your real life.
I agree with this 100% I have a healer that ive been working on and the best healer in my guild took me under her wing and said show me what you got. After running a few vet dungeons and a trial she told me why I struggled in a constructive way. I was butthurt at first but then how was I supposed to get better if I dont learn. I let my guard down and just listened. Best choice ive made in ESO is just listening to vets who arent really assholes but are serious about playing.
The dummy parsing is important. If you want to get good at an instrument, you have to practice playing scales. If you want to get a better golf swing, you can go to the the driving range. Dummy parsing is crucial to DPS so the rotation becomes muscle memory during an actual trial encounter. "Do the homework!!" -Asiangod
This video is amazing. It’s one of those hard pills to swallow for many players. The thing is the moment you realize you are bad and aren’t performing your role adequately is the moment you can actually start getting good. It’s literally the turning point we all faced at some point in our time playing eso.
OK, you play with the nerve damage I have. THEN you can spew garbage. It is difficult to find the keys when you can't feel them, or they actually cause pain. Enjoy being healthy.
Thanks for posting this! Trying to help our fellow gamers can be a double-edged sword, but seeing our guild mates put in the effort to imporve and reach their goals is one of the most satisfying part of group content. Helping people believe in themselves enough to put in the effort can be a struggle though. Sometimes their biggest obstacle is themselves.
Another side of this argument is that I’ve seen max CP people who push out piss-poor DPS in random pugs and such, like 10k DPS. They just spend all their time doing farming and such
There are also a lot of high level players who powered leveled their toon(s) at skyreach or some other place. This means they don't have the skills (and passives)to back up their level. This is why I won't help level anyone.
wait till you have 400 ping and takes 2 sec to swap bars then tell me again how many dps you can get. This game have crap server and too much advantage for local country players.
Preach! Spot on Asian & I agree with you. 100%. Just for fun I took all the armor and jewels off my magblade that I normally hit 45-50k with and ran a parse weapons only, so zero set bonuses at all, and still managed 28k. I would say rotation matters more than anything but mechanics is the answer, as you're doing 0 dps if you don't know how to stay alive.
What an amazing video, I tell low level players the same thing. Most of them don't take the advice they just expect to magically do good dps once they have the mata gear. Your explanations are top notch, much better than mine. Will link them to your channel.
Nice vid asiangod. Im a 50kdps that play on console and do progression. I honestly do agree with u on alot of points. Alot of us didn't start out with high dps. It was the hours of practice and research that got me to do good dps. Tho it is annoying with the nerfs but that's another topic lol
Completely agree. I would say I am an intermediate player. I struggle with my rotation and I know this is why my dps is not higher. I agree you need to practice dps dummy rotations. When you get the strats down you can then apply that dummy dps practice and it makes all the difference.
Would add that the smoother you get on the dummy practice, the less you stress over the strategy of the fight. When your rotation is second nature, you can focus all your energy on the strat dance.
You can actually pull more than enough DPS for VHOFHM with a Heavy Attack Pet Sorc or Stam DK. Clean easy static rotations. As for anything after that I wouldn’t know from personal experience.I recommend those to people who like myself struggle with light attack weave centric builds like Magblade. 48-50K DPS is very obtainable on them. Great video Asian. We all have to have that come to “GGesus” moment as players. Where we recognize are limitations and strengths are as players. Only then can we realize our potential. The want to discover it. And the desire to put in the necessary work.
My max is 45k on magplar, cp 630. Spell strat, zaan, siroria and im using sweeps, not ele weapon. Not easy to do, but not impossible. Its just learning the rotation and practicing. At the start, using the same gear i could only hit 25k. Weaving correctly got me to 30k. Optimising my bars and i went to 35k. Used 2 different enchants and made 40k. 45k was done after A LOT of practice, so that i knew exactly when and what skill to use. I knew the whole 3 million rotation by heart at that point, even while not playing i could tell you the rotation. That was all solo buffed, no Lover, no charged enchant, no crazy food. I got numbers around 50k in raids and dungeons at bosses and everything kinda melted. Was quite cool must admit but quickly got boring. So much so, that skipping mechanics made me realise how bland the dungeons become without them. Id just solo carry through vanilla stuff (vet hm of course) and have enough dps that with a tank who could hold aggro we d push through vet DLC dungeons (non hm). It gets kinda boring at a point, so much so that i made a new char, a fully slotted stam nb with Relequin, Tzogvin and Veli. Yeah i made a stam nb, but im not that good at his rotation so i pull just above 30k every time. The point of this post is to show 2 things. 1. DPS is skill first, gear second. Skill is hard to get but possible. Def not a casual thing, i spent a lot of time honing my skills on the magplar. 2. DPS in this game is way way way over the limit. The moment you get to the point where you can skip a mechanic of a boss, it feels as if you lobotomized the dungeon. Made it simple, killed its personality and its essence. That kinda killed it for me and i quit. Everything became way too easy as far as 4 man content was to be considered and 12 man dungeons got boring when only me and about 4-5 other people had the interest to learn and improve, the others just couldnt understand that spears have to be sent, group up on fire, pick frost and swap bars at lightning... P.S. I PUG 4 man content and 9 out of 10 times i finish the dungeon, DLC or not, on Vet.
if you ever redo this topic, please take more about WHAT a "good" rotation really is - how to know - I know it has been addressed by others but you have a good presentation style. And how to tell a bad rotation. sometimes you have to load stuff on your bar in order to level it, how does that affect your rotation?
If it helps, one trick to leveling skills is to load them on your front bar right before you turn in quests. If you’re on PC there are skill bar addons that allow you to switch between regular and ‘training’ skill bars at the click of a button. I am far from expert at the game but that’s one tip I’ve used.
I will admit I get laughed at a lot in dungeons because of my low dmg output hence why I mainly just solo everything and try to get into guild dungeons/trials when they let me. I've had plenty of randoms just outright tell me my dmg is shit with some going as far as telling me to, "Never queue for random dungeons again." which is laughable because if he has that high a head on his shoulders what IS HE doing in random queue? He should be with his elitist group doing Vet HM everything. Some things that have helped me out is knowing which gear to actually use and why certain skills are put on bars. I usually look to Asian for skill setup and how to use them correctly, Alcast for his beginner gear lists, and Woeler/Sherman/Xynode for their suggestions & tips/advice for general content. I honestly do wish I was a better player. My best dmg toon is my NB bow/bow build with Hundigs/Briarheart and I attribute that to how easy the rotation & gear are. I just can't keep track of keeping up 8 DoTs on the enemy at all times.
Then practice. Most rotations are static and it just comes down to muscle memory. 1 hour a day, smack a training dummy until you get it down. Practice makes perfect. If it's too hard, pick a more simple class. As a healer, I'm not asking you to do 40k+ DPS. Just output enough that I'm not doing 30 - 40% of the DPS using the 2 AOE dot skills + heavy attacks that are on my bars. It's been so bad lately that these 10k GROUP DPS groups are all I'm matching with. I'm not trying to be elitist, I'm not trying to rush, but I don't want to spend 1 hour in a random dungeon just because you haven't put effort into looking at your skills and practicing your rotation. At level 50, no real sets, 0 CP, I have no trouble hitting 4-5k single target DPS with just a couple buff AOE damage skills I have, so why is it so hard for DPS to do more than that?
I dont know what platform your on but im sure there is pretty much the same kind of guilds on pc as there is on console. Im only in two guilds atm. My very first one and another that teaches players all about dungeons and trials. Try finding a training guild. It helped me out a lot. Good luck! Also, unless you like babysitting, dont be a healer. Im a healer but I get off on the fact that people dont die on my watch most of the time. Im weird like that though :)
@@PxNxWxGxW Im a healer and i find DDs find ways of dying, like having 14k health in BC1 Hm where boss has a 20k one shot, and then they say i should out heal it...
Some higher dps people like to think that hitting high numbers is not something any1 can do and therefore makes them special. Any1 can do great dps with a bit of effort.
I was surprised how many people try learning a rotation and then something as simple as them hitting skill then light attack, not the other way around, keeps them doing far less than they should be able to. I've seen that issue time and time again, and they aren't aware what the difference is. I have to sit with them, show the first way where LA's aren't hitting, then the second way and they can see the LA's hit in the roto. Much respect for bringing up a very real topic! In my opinion, hitting 50+ dps does require that extra top tier gear, max cp, etc... but there are many many ways to get most players up to 35k or 40k. Those are realistically achievable by anyone.
Glad to see pc does have an effect though, switched to pc from console and was hitting 60k and running the hardest content and now am struggling to get over 40k on cp 350. Just gotta keep grinding and the dps will come it looks like.
I use the Logitech g600 mouse. Helps a lot for speedy rotations. If keyboard skills doesn’t suit your playstyle I highly recommend it, or Corsair’s version of it. Some people may call you “fake” for using a mouse with so many buttons but if it helps, it helps.
Yep. My healer rocks those skills. Gotta have em man. A dps should only worry about doing damage I agree. I know sometimes shit happens but Healers really need to step their game up cos being a healer is very important.
As a fairly new player, I would like to say that ESO has one of the friendliest and most helpful communities. If you are struggling in any way, look for a guild in zone chat. There are guilds for every level of player. They are filled with people who want to help you improve. Whether it's gear, rotation, mechanics, training runs. You can't focus learning mechanics if you're staring at your bar the whole time, so make sure you've got a rotation that you're comfortable with. You can practice LA/ability timing by spamming Ele Drain on a target dummy and then work your way up to your full rotation. I am sitting around 500 CP and pulling an average of 35k on my magden selfbuffed. I still have a lot of improving to do, but it wasn't very long ago that I was stuck at 17k and couldn't imagine how people were pulling upwards up 50k. I'm regularly grouping with guildies to acclimate to veteran trials and I hear "you've got to block that" way more times than I'd like to, but I'm getting to the point where I'm pulling that 35k+ in trials because I'm getting more comfortable with mechanics and anticipating them. You will see improvement if that is what you want, but you need to take the right steps to set you up for success! Find a guild!
100% agree with u and happy that you have that reasonable Opinion...know so much People with that "one way - no way" Headset and that's annoying as fck!!!
Thank you for this video. Should post to reddit and forums and be pinned there tbh. You probably should have included the parse in the video though since I already see someone saying it's fake. On the topic of CP and powercreep in all these discussions people seem to neglect red and green CP which also do contribute to DPS. Both allow you to build a lot more offensive. For example I still remember that around the time of One Tamriel the sweetspot for HP in trial HMs was 17.2k. Back then that wasn't reached without either glyphs or some attribute adjustments. Nowadays you can even go with 15K and be fine mostly just due to the extra resistances you are getting. Score pushing tanks have swapped to tanking in medium gear for most fights, offtanks are often more DPS than tanks, groups are in many instances fine with only one healer while the other also DPS. While it's also just an increase of roughly 300 CP for a single player or 30 per patch it's 3600 more CP for a full trial group or 360 respectively. I totally get that it isn't the sole reason for powercreep, but it's one of the easiest to address. Personally I would prefer if we would be able to go back to 40k ST being absolute top DPS so we can play mechanics again and HMs aren't getting completed 5-35 minutes.
Always appreciated your videos mate but there is one thing you haven't addressed in this video and that is the affect that ping rate has on rotations. Coming from Australia with a ping of 400 on average the ability to perform a good rotation is impossible. Doesn't matter how quick you press your buttons the game simply doesn't register your clicks quick enough which has a huge effect on DPS. Maybe provide some build advice on players who are experiencing high ping rate, some simpler builds that don't require animation cancelling perhaps as there are lots of us out there that experience high ping rates. Keep the videos coming thou, you've filled the gap that Gilliam left!
400 ping accounts for like 10% dps loss from my experience, the slight delay on every light attack adds up. Aussies trying to compete on the na server feels like being in a formula 1 race while driving tractor, it’s really not a fair competition.
For me, it’s just denial. Most people have that “OP” mind state due to modern games not really having an endgame balance. So, new players are more movitated to follow the most OP builds or characters. When this happens, they do all the homework, find/farm all the gear and when they think they’re ready for hard content, they get exposed. And once exposed, they blame everyone else and cannot see it’s them. Ego is a huge part of why they’re not doing well in ESO. Most people can’t grasp the notion of you don’t always start off good. They want to roadhouse immediately because in their minds eye, they’re the Shroud of ESO.
Eso is strange like that, I remember when I was around 300cp and thought I knew everything and have seen a lot of players around that cp have the same perspective. Then most get humbled by facts eg dummy dps numbers, then back to feeling like a noob again until you peak.
Press light attack, press skill - there you can do good dps. I will never understand how these people who play for thousands of hours can still be so bad.
As a terrible player (39k dps), I think it’s more complicated than that. If you press too fast, your light attack won’t complete, and if you press too slow, you won’t animation cancel. It requires precise timing and a good rhythm. Which is not easy for all players to get perfect. Not to mention you have to play perfectly while also avoiding AoEs, managing DoT stacks, and playing mechanics.
@Johnston Wang yes that is exactly my meaning, nobody in game will teach how really do a good weaving, so.... For many ppl is so hard to improve dps. You really got the point. Also after you can get a good dps at the dummy but that not mean you can do that dps in raid, even in raid you will get many buff. That is cos in raid you need dodge block sprint use shield etc etc, also you will be sooo exciting to try to survive and doing good dps at the same time. But for some ppl is sooo easy do all those. Unfortunately for some other ppl is not and nobody will really teach them. This is the bad thing in eso. All those masters on UA-cam make video about the builds but that can t help anything. You use this set or that set will be only few k dps different, but here we are speaking somebody will do 25k at dummy and some other will do 60k with same build. That is ridicolous.
@@atraismachina8748 Thats a reason not an excuse. saying i just cant/im bad or any variation of that is a excuse. personaly my excuse is that due to the mouse i use, logitech g300 and way i bind buttons its extremly awkward to switch as the same finger controlls three actions one of which would be the light attack. answer i should rebind my buttons....true i wont as its the way ive played for years in many games.... an excuse i pull 30k dps without major breach, and only in about 1 in 10 vet dungeons is the other dps massively better. i dont weave, i dont use a spamable, 6 skill rotaion+ hvy attack as a example today i did vet tempest island, final boss is single target and the group damage exculding me was 11k and the fact that skill use and light attacks are on seperate global cooldowns is NEVER mentioned in the entire game you spend all that time leveling to cp whatever then findout that while you could of be practicing weaving all that time, you have to unlearn everthing regards
Well I'm not that low myself. I can push 35-37K DPS on multiple characters, but I've been stuck at that level for a while since I keep rotating trough all characters, and about half the time I tank. I can do just fine in most DLC dungeons, Craglorn trials and even vMoL, finished vMA on all my mature characters without issue. But I don't seem to crack past that 40K limit on the dummy with self buffs and self applied drain for magicka characters. I mostly use base game sets, since I didn't farm Cloudrest that much, and what I got I gave away to players who needed it more. I agree with t3hasiangod that practice is the key. I think 2-3 hours per day for 3-4 months will bring me to 50K easily.
I am wearing Julianos with Necropotence and typically using Grothdarr. I have equipped Soria with Zaan and SS etc like every target dummy cheeser out there promotes and found little difference for me because I need to get better at weaving a lot more and I like to use lightning heavy attack (magsorc). That said.. sticking with Julianos and Necropotence I have gone from 18k .. to 27k with no gear changes simply by working on my weaving and rotation some. Obviously I'm not hitting 40 or 50k any time soon.. but I did up my parse 9k just from spending some hours hitting that stupid target dummy. I recently found out most people parse with a debuff on the target dummy so I'm sure next time I will parse even higher (i just used my build and a normal 6mil dummy with none of the debuffs or healer orbs/prayer/etc for my parse because I felt that was the proper way to do it). My point is.. gear I'm sure makes a difference, but in my case Julianos/Necropotence/Grothdarr combo is just as powerful as Perfect Soria/Zaan's/Spell Strat because my gear is not whats keeping me from doing more damage my skill level is. I want to try Julianos with Mothers Sorrow (tired of pet) and I want to try the 'Easy Sorc' build from another content creator but despite my 'lack of skill' I've been able to solo Vet Arx Corinium, many normal dungeons and I've had many compliments from dungeon groups on my dps.. my build is tuned for 4 man content because I do that way more than trials. Right now I am ok with my parse, but I find the people pushing 40s + are often not kind about giving 'advice'. I don't run vet trials, I don't group with progression groups, I don't enter your 'elite' bubble of game play but I am trying to get better and I wish there was less of an attitude among some players who have been at it longer. I've been playing now for just over 3 months and hope to 'get gud' but some friendly assistance would be appreciated much more than what I have come in contact with in game.
A bad player in Good gear will do worse than in bad gear, this is because most Good gear has a high skill level to maintain stacks which coincidentally enough usually rely on light attack weaves or at the very least not running around like a headless chicken
This is simply time investment that a lot of players do not want to commit to. There's plenty of people who do not like failing, and most do when first trying to parse. I've met plenty of people who have given up before, until others coach them (analyse parse, watch their rotation, provide resources). There's MANY people out there without this kind of help or encouragement. Is that a design flaw? Yes. No. Maybe. Both.
Nice video i do have a question regarding gear, as people use that as a major excuse, like getting 600 extra spellpower is going to double there dps (its about 8% imho) what is the difference between a meta setup, say majika sorc, and 2 super easy to get sets say julianos paired with mothers/necro/torugs/spinners with valkyn scoria/stormfist, i say julianos because you can get the weapon traits you want no hastle. vma staff is fair for meta build but not base build, you already have a vidieo showing about 2-3k benifit from it i belive. your meta sorc gets about 50k what would "base" game sets get you? (sets that you could get in 20mins and gold them out at cp160) max cp ofcourse i believe this would demonstrate just how little gear matters compared to skill elements like weaving thx
Between 10 and 20% difference, not enough difference to affect beating content or not. Bus Tank and healer setups make a very big difference in trials.
Ive come across many players you can do good dummy damage even better than me but when it came to actual content i out preformed cause i did damage as much as possible and remembered what to apply when based on the situation
Gear is maybe 50% of dps. Problem is light attack rotation, and they are right, it is next to impossible for casual player to get to top on that. Getting 20-25k dps is doable though nowadays with very little practise. Pet sorc with full heavy attack build will pull 30k even in inexperienced hands, assumed he get some advice on enchants and traits.
Have to agree there...If you want to do end game content and do reasonably good dps...you just have to put some time and effort to do that. Myself, I spend about 30 min every day on the target dummy( at least trying to do that). I am well aware that I will probablly never pul the numbers some of top guys are pulling, but I am training.People are different and so are the abilities to do stuff. Myself I pull high numbers on one class and totally suck with other with meta gear and with the same cp of course.That just means for me that there are some clases and even roles better suited for me than others or I just dont put enough effort in it. You dont have to make a stamblade becouse it theoretically can pull highest numbers and then be disapointed that you cannt do that because the rotation is too difficult and blame guys who are puting their time and effort to make build videos on UA-cam for that.
under 20k dps isn't viable, you need at least 20k dps to be useful in a group else you're going to be holding people back. And always throw resources if you're the lower DPS especially a non-meta stamplar.
Well... Dat's complicated thematic. Let's start far away... I'm quite new subscriber, joined on ... A middle of Murkmire i guess. Mostly i'm stam nb player. Mostly pvp. Mostly bg. Not the best ofc. But i'm now lot's of combos and can execute dem in most of sceneries. But I'm always struggling with PvE. I get only (at maximum) 41.5k dps on 3mil dummy. My build is Velidreth+Releq+briarheart/maelstrom. But i realise, dat i can't reach dat amount of DPS coz in sone sceneries i need to switch targets, stick to mechanics and so on. So i change Releq to Warmachine. Now i get 36.5k dps. But that's still ideal to me. Why? Coz light attacks are pain. Maybe i played to much in devil may cry games, but i push my buttons way to fast. In 50% of times my LA doesn't come. Nevertheless, when i'm comparing my best dps test to yours one - yours looks like 50% faster. Dat leads me to idea, that there is some optimal timings for each skill and it's LA cancel and i just can't find optimal one.
The issue with people who don't spend time improving their DPS is entitlement, they feel that just because they paid for the game or for ESO+ they are entitled to clear all the content that the game has. Just spend a day improving your build and rotation on your character and 35k+ dps is easily achievable
I can confirm that. At the beginning i hit with my magplar only 25k dps at max cp then i started to train my rotation and now i hit 42k dps. It's all about discipline like he said in his video
As a somewhat more professional dps (All trials+hms clear+Immortal Redeemer and a few top scores in leaderboards) and teacher to quite a few ppl i would probably say that dps depends the most on player skill and dedication. I spent a lot of time explaining, crafting and adjusting builds with ppl but there is no way around practice (on dummies to get the muscle memory and in trials to get experience in adjusting to diffrent situations and mechanics). I was actually pretty surprised that you were talking about 15k dps as "high" and hard to get for some players. In my opinion there is no player who should be under 30k dps if theyre open to criticism and put some dedication into it (the time spent surely differs from person to person).
15k is high for a lot of people. While many end-game players consider that bad, for a lot of the more casual players, 15k is really high DPS, especially on a CP160 character.
I'm in a frustrating bucket because I just hit ~25k dps at 220 CP and im really struggling with vMA ( soft stuck on last boss) at that CP, as well as no groups will take me to vhof which is where my bis set comes from and nhof doesnt really get run. Everyone essentially says just farm CP, which is like valid advice but kind of frustrating that majority of really end-game content is behind a crazy grind if you want to do it in any fast manner.
If you are strugging with vMA maybe it's way too early to try vHOF. There are a lot of nHOF pug groups in Craglorn you can get into. Asian also have a video about CP difference impact on dps, it's a lot less important than your rotation and skill.
Carson if you are a stam character I suggest you get werewolf and put on plague doctor with a offense set and also use troll king or any healing two pieces on and when you get to top where you need to destroy the crystal MAKE SURE you don't get hit with his project because their is a bug where the dot Doesn't come off . And just before the last crystal going break place a dot and jump down than proceed to hit the shield power than when that runs out hit the other two at the same time
@@akakybashmachkin656 I dunno, his graph indicates about a 12k dps difference from my CP to max. that would bring me to 37k dps from 25k on the dummy by itself. I know my rotation could use some work and lightweaving as well, but my maximum gains from that are ~16%, my maximum gains from CP are ~50%.. ( some other odds and ends like master architect, gold gear, gold back-bar weapon, vMA staff would be most of the rest other then skill and CP). so the lions share of my damage gain is gated behind a CP grind as far as i can tell. not that I shouldnt try to improve.
Another thing with CP is that (usually) higher CP’s come with more practice and familiarity with the game itself. So there is a drastic difference in CP 160 characters and CP 810 characters due to mastery of the game, like at least some familiarity with weaving, mechs, how passives affect stats etc. as well as the dps bump from max stats.
I do see alot of people who dont put in anytime learning. And assume because they are hi cp that they are good. These are the worst. But in a guild I help out with there are people who do put in at least some time.. but still are not seeing progress. And there are some who have decent dps, but they cannot stay alive..
My problem is (as a terrible player), I just can’t get the timing right. I have been playing for two years now, and I spend about 30min a week practicing on a target dummy, but I just can’t crack 40k. I have been stuck at 39k for months. And knowing that most vet trials teams want 45k, it just feels like I have always been garbage and always will be - there is still a huge gap that I’ll never be able to surmount. It’s just extremely frustrating. And it bugs me that it’s so easy for most people to do good dps, and I’m so terrible at it.
back when i mained pvp i was hitting 47k dps last year with khajiit nb hundings/ relequen/veli with bi food so in the rotation i had to atleast do heavy attack weave. its not hard to do dps honestly. i met someone in the game too way back she was cp 530 and she was hitting 40k dps on magblade before summerset came out.
Do good dps is very difficult and not that easy. Eso is too complicated need do perfect rotation and perfect la+skill during fight with many adds and boss they are doing big aoe and you need survive to all those by dodging by block etc etc...the build is not so important at all, you need do perfect rotation that is the only important thing. If you mistake just a little then Yr dps will drop a lot immediately. Actually with my stam dk I can do 44k at 6 m dummy without the tank crushing, but I fell myself as a super noob compare with some friends in game. So need more videos about the rotation and less video about the builds. Everyone know which set trait skill etc etc...
My night blade at 160cp was doing 20k damage now I main tank most of the time on my dk. I don't think the rotations to hard it always is just optimizing per fight and understanding weaving.
Luca CIONI depends on the gear my nightblade literally has shit for gear. Raid buffed and with good gear you should be able to output 70k+ gear makes a huge difference in this game and so does being in a trial. 10 abilities isn't much on rotation. Considering there is no ogcd abilities and nobody wants to posts score on parser websites for this community. This games learning curve isn't too big your right a 7 year old with good gear can easily do 20k+ there is only 5 + 1 buttons per bar and some classes take double passives on bar to the point where you only have to press 6. Like magsorc. This game is far easier then people realize. The community is just egoists and dickheads. Which is why it's one of the least popular games ATM. Plus i miss older tes. And zos are predatory dickheads and charge 30 dollars for a race change.
I'm not max cp and have not yet got bloodthirsty gold rings or infused gold necklace yet wich will increase my dps but is 35k ish on a 6m 3m dummy ok for the earlier vet trials so craglorn vmol and vhof and maybe vss all none hm btw
I’m doing roughly 28k, 29k and 30k dps on 3 mill dummy. I am 400 cp do think cp will increase that by 5k. I’m a mag sorc. I buff the dummy with the Destro buff thing.
DPS is more about mechanics and awareness... and being able to DPS AND do them. WoW has the same issue. watching a caster in wow.. like a mage.. thats never played a "turret" style class. try to learn to move between globals and keep DPS high is painful. its FAR more important than gear.
This is like listening to a MLB baseball player talk about how easy it is to hit a 90mph fastball that was "Right down the pike." Most of the community doesn't have the amount of time that you obviously do to practice rotations, farm gear, gold, mats, ect. Therefore most of the community can't do what you can.
Also the question that goes hand in hand with this: What counts as 'good' DPS? I mostly heal and can dish out about 20K while maintaining my buff and debuffs.
That's relative to the content you want to do. Something like vet non-DLC dungeons only require 20k DPS on the bosses, while vet DLC trials can require as high as 50k to 60k DPS on the bosses.
Thing is you can't use these damage meters as dps in an instance. You really should do some vids of you in a random 4 man vet dungeon with these type of experiments. Try a vet dungeon with 160cp with random people to see what is really your dps on bosses. You standing in front of a target dummy doesn't show anything but a rotation. Obviously there are easier dungeons, but still I think people would get more out if your vids with actual fights, not a target that just stands there.
That is exactly where I sit. I play with 350ping most nights and I honestly believe its my light attacks. Looking at my combat log heaps of my light attacks are not registering. I keep hoping to find some key component to push me higher but for now its a plateau.
What would be considered as a "good dps" for a 320 CP Stam NB ? With purple Velidreth set + Relequen, hundings rage weapon ? (Approximatively). I can put 20k on a skeleton dummy, going higher in Trial but I don't know how to compare this to other Stam NB
Out of curiosity, would you be willing to do a cp160 and cp300 and cp600 parse for a typical mag and/or stam build? Class/build is your choice but preferably not 1-bar petsorc, its fine for easy to achieve dps but isnt utilizing half of its potential. I know rotation is a huge chunk but I really think people may have forgotten what its like to be low cp and not have a lot of points in particular cp nodes. For example all my parses, using constellations, tells me I should be putting 0 points into staff mastery, and Im cp 569 as of writing this, so well over halfway through the grind and constellations tells me still 0 points in the node that does the single highest amount of damage over a fight. I get it that a lot of other cp nodes also effect light attacks, but being max cp and having the points to dump into all the other nodes as well as the ones constellations tells me not to get yet is unarguably a huge chunk when doing your rotation correctly. Im still pushing my parse, I'm nearing 40k on my non-pet magsorc(Outside ele drain and undaunted orbs provided for me, nothing else). Still fixing a few things with gear, transmutes and stuff, but I was hoping to see a more reliable parse from someone I know can push the numbers
Even on max CP you rarely put more than 20 points into staff expert. LAs might be the single highest damage source, but staff expert buffs only that and nothing else. Master at arms, Elemental Expert, Elfborn, Spell Erosion all affect LAs on top of a bunch if not all other abilities. Thaumaturge is the only one that doesn't buff LAs, but you usually have 2-3 dots so it still has more priority than only LAs.
I'll probably do a few lower CP parses when I re-examine how much CP contributes to power creep. That video is probably going to be on hold though, since Elsweyr is coming out today.
It's not hard to put numbers on a dummy. More than a good rotation makes a good dps. Need to know boss mechanics. Most importantly need to stay alive. The best dps can't do much when they need a rez. Edit: I left this comment prior to watching the whole video. I agree with everything you said. I pull 50k on 4 different classes on PS4.
Well i doubt not to many ppl gon have gold weapons, gear at cp 160 lmao. Tho i agree rotations will help alot to improve dps. So that 17k 160cp take away your gold weapons and gear.
It isn't that getting 35k dps is hard to get, it is more of a community problem that almost every guild/ group requires much higher dps in order to even be considered to run the end game content.
Grant Fullmer that’s most likely because they want to be able to run trials faster than they’d be able to with people hitting lower. There are also tested limits on vet and vet hard mode end game content, no guild will want a 25k dps on a vet hard mode group, it’s just simple logic really.
For end game hard mode content the difference between 25k and 35k DPS can be the difference between an actual completion and a complete waste of 12 people's time. Vet trial progressions are often scheduled a week in advance and at least 2 hours set aside. Aiming to improve and reach the groups dps requirements is a matter of consideration for your team really.
This is why I main healer. This game's combat is shit and relies on an exploit(weaving). I do have a sorc... My max dps on it is only like 22k even after a lot of practice, though. I am just not a dps person I suppose.
@@RampantCake It is one, but ZoS are, let's be honest, shitty and lazy devs. This game feels like it is held together with duct tape. If they would take the time to revamp their terrible combat system, this game would rival WoW.
It was retro actively made "not a exploit" cos they couldnt get rid of it but if the game says you can do one thing a second, a trick that allows 2 just feels wrong it does however promote skill in such a massive way that im now in favor of it...but it still a exploit a argument i felt summed it up was, "if you swing your greatsword and animation cancel so it never hits, then it didnt hit" I believe its because the games code isint using collision detection for attacks just a were you in range when the attack was fired/cast logic
Am pulling 43k dps on a 3 mil dummy with my stam sorc self buff n I want to know if that can complete all the content in the game or I need higher numbers?
Well it's a stamsorc so doing vAS and vCR is definitely more difficult. While bow/bow allows ranged playstyle, most people still prefer magicka in those trials. Might be tough to find a group that lets you play stamsorc there. Apart from that you can do anything in the game on stamsorc with your DPS. Just need to be careful with hurricane in some places like second round of vBRP or when running through the middle on final boss vhoF.
I would check your DPS on a 6m to see how your sustain is. If you're hitting ~40k on the 6m, that will be enough for most content in the game. You wouldn't necessarily be able to clear vAS + 1/2 or vCR + 2/3, but everything else would be fine.
Yo Asian I m cp 530, stamblade, I’m full stuffed advanced Yokeda Relequen velidreth but I only get 46k and high level guild tel me that I need 50k I’m training for 3 day now you think is possible to me to grind to 50+ at my cp ??? Also due to the fact I went to vmol 1 time, I died a lot so pick up group kick me... High level player don’t have time to teach me I guess so how I’m I suppose to learn ? Thank you mate hope you fine 🧙🏼♂️🖖🏽
vMoL is sort of "noob filter". There are soft dps checks and more reliance on positioning and following instructions than numbers. You don't need to deal 50k. Dead people deal no dps. I'd say ditch that guild and find a proper progression guild that is focused on trying and improving rather than on finishing things.
Hello Kud0, 46k dps is really good at your level, you will get the 4k you are missing with maelstrom bow. Gaining CP will give you a tiny bit more dps, but not that big of a deal vs gear and rotation. About vMOL and raids in general, i advice you find a guild which isn't a score running guild. You'll learn much more and get more fun out of it, even if you don't pass vMOL on the first week or month ^^. PS: being a good dps is more than showing off his big dps : doing mechs, positioning and **not dying** is key. You have 2 inactive dds when someone needs res !
I have the same build on my stamblade. I was stuck at 45k before i finally hit 50k. You gotta practice the rotation, like Asian says in the video. If this guild actually cares about building its community, there may be someone who can watch your rotation while you parse and show you how to get that extra 4k. But I would actually agree with Robert Prus...if you've only ran vMoL once, then maybe you need to find a progression guild that will work with you instead of a team that expects you to know the encounters.
Hey mate, im using c-frag on both bars (swapped out daedric armor) and i have way more proccs resulting in c-frag being top3 dmg ability. Have u tested it yet ? I think its something worth mentioning to a fellow asian
I'm struggling lots with magicka nb, I'm cp 562 and can't dps because I can't learn roto ig. I run 5 ia 5 ms and 2 grothdar. Wrong traits. I'm on ps4, my psn is (friffin). In desperate need of help. Will pay for time and helping.
Someone might point out, that 15k dps is very low. A single high gear and high cp player will have around the same dps as a 10man group of 6dds 2tanks and 2 healers pulling this type of numbers.
And that someone would be wrong. That situation would end up in said solo player having his dps dropped to ~20k, because without a group he won't have buffs, he will have to move a lot and switch some offensive skills to heals and shields. If we're talking some easier trial like maybe AA, such player would probably still beat it, but it would take a while comparing to a group with overall 150-200k dps, which is enough to beat any normal and some of the vet trials in game. Comparing the numbers without taking the context of an actual fight into account does nothing.
Shit I’ll say it lol. I’m lazy af in this game. I have 13 characters. I don’t want to do lorebooks, psijic, fighters guild, undaunted, etc on ALL 13 of them. Plus I work 60 hours a week. Your funny dude
There are around 3 million active players of ESO around all platforms. This channel has around 7.4 thousand subscribers. Let that sink in for a bit. A HUGE portion of the playerbase doesnt even care to watch what theorycrafters post, let alone use it. More than 99% of the people who play ESO don't care about theorycrafting, getting best dps etc.
Facts^ most players including myself don’t care enough about the extra maybe 5k dps you can get from 12 hours of grinding. Unless you are going for scores it’s just not worth it. Nice try though in an attempt to make yourself sound better.
@@porkchopcreative18 but they are the first ones to complain, or whine. I get people work and stuff, that's life. You can put 20 minutes a night into practicing and learning your character deeply. Eventually, you'll pick up on it. Or just ask a friend you know hits nice. Community is here for a reason brother
I hit 50k and don’t consider it elite. Just wanted to hit 50k. There’s really very little difference between 40 and 60k once you factor in frame drops and lag.
@@monalisa-bs4zs i honestly dont know how things are now this was 3 months or some shit ago so things have changed 50k was the elite club before the new patches etc
Damn right, I came accross a struggling stamplar the other day and I spent 6 hours with him, he went from 5k to 25k dps, using base game, easy to get, purple level sets and not even in the right traits, all he had to do is a little effort
5k seems like an stretch tanks / heals do 5k i dont think he was that low but i get the point.
@@dunereaper i mean he had random stuff too, no complete set, wrong skills.... According to my CMX he was really doing around that
That's awesome, this game needs more people like you man. I've done the same. Some people legit don't know how to play the game. Even a few tips can make huge difference.
@@ooasylumoo8440 yeah, It's a nice experience, I kept contact with that dude and will run dungeons and trials with him sometimes :) I hope one day every dude I helped helps another dude, and that way I would've made the community a bit better
@@ooasylumoo8440 i used to help people like this but the eso environment has turned me sour its beyond toxic
I completely agree with you. While this isn’t true for everyone, there seems to be a great deal of entitlement in people today. They seem to expect that things can and should be handed to them without a ton of effort. It’s not just ESO it comes around in all walks of life.
I know many mid level CP players that have no idea about rotations. Ignorance is real. I still suck at rotations but I learned the hard way...basically kicked myself from a group for pulling 15k in vDSA. After that someone actually broke down what a rotation even was. I’m better now but still working on hitting some better numbers.
try do rotation or animation cancel with 400 ping and takes 2 sec to bar swap, this game server is too crappy for international players
My gf enjoys watching me play ESO. I only have one toon as im having too much fun as my Healer. When im not doing heals for my guildies I switch my skills up and hand the controller to my gf and let her do quests. Thanks for this vid man. I think you just made two gamers happy in my home. Cheers. Subbed.
Great video! And that’s coming from me, a struggling casual player who hasn’t put in the proper work...at least not yet (I’m trying now, at least some). I’m a spaz, bad at weaving, easily thrown off even a simple rotation.... you name it, I probably do it wrong. Although I wish I could just say I’ll be better when I get new gear or more CP, I know it’s not true. So even if this isn’t what people WANT to hear, it’s still what they NEED to hear.
I agree 100%
I've been playing ESO since just before one Tamriel, switched from pc to PS4 just before Summerset, during that 3-4 year period I've only actually done acceptable DPS after my switch to ps4. And this is because of one reason, I exposed myself to great ESO content created by veterans like Asian, Alcast and xynode. I feel like the reason that a considerable amount of the ESO community, some would argue that it's the majority, cannot do good acceptable DPS, is simply because of the fact that information is not readily available regarding good DPS practices, rotations,animation cancelling and synergies between skills and sets and so on. Unless a person follows the content of veteran UA-camrs like Asian and Alcast that help the community or they have experienced friends, they simply do not understand the fact that what they're doing is wrong and that they have to change that. I can confidently say that almost every new player isn't even aware that farming/crafting gear from cp0-160 is a waste, and that they don't even know what a rotation is let alone how to properly pull off one. And this boils down to ESO not making all of this information readily available. Unless a person actively goes on to UA-cam to watch build videos, they have no exposure to any of this within ESO. ESO pushes players to basically feel like they can do whatever they like , and this is not the case in terms of being able to do good DPS. If ESO could promote these UA-camrs or incorporate actual end game DPS related tips and advice into the game, I feel like the majority of our DPS related problems within the community will be alleviated.
This is the most importants eso videos i have seen so far, its casts light over a "case" that many new/mid players struggle with ... and dont talk about openly.. how many times have people get kicked out of the grp, becouse of bad dps, think we know the answer!
While I agree with pretty much all all points in the video, I don't think it will change many peoples mind. The thing is, what's being said here is already pretty clear to anyone with the mindset required to do decent in this game's non-trivial content. It has been stated many times by experienced players on the forums and everywhere else. The problem with people who cry about too high DPS requirements and "elitism" in this game is the following: they fundamentally want a different game and a different experience than we do. They want the gratification of feeling impact-full and powerful, but without having to put in any work. They want to feel good about themselves, but when they try to push themselves they start failing (as everyone does) and it makes them feel bad. As you said, they don't have the bit of discipline to persevere through that. That's the reason they will find endless external factors or people that they can blame for their failing, so that they can make sense of it without having to feel bad.
That's why I don't believe that these people can really be reasoned with or talked to to change their mind, very similar to how you cannot reason with a religious person. It's why they won't leave and play a different game that's designed for them, that would require a minimum of self-reflection that could hurt their feelings, and they will retreat to the safe zone of "someone else's fault". As long as there are people doing better than them because they tried hard, it will be a thorn in their side because then they would also have to try hard.
No amount of talking will give them the self-reflection or discipline they need to even realize that they might be wrong, it's something that I feel must come from experiences in your real life.
I agree with this 100% I have a healer that ive been working on and the best healer in my guild took me under her wing and said show me what you got. After running a few vet dungeons and a trial she told me why I struggled in a constructive way. I was butthurt at first but then how was I supposed to get better if I dont learn. I let my guard down and just listened. Best choice ive made in ESO is just listening to vets who arent really assholes but are serious about playing.
The dummy parsing is important. If you want to get good at an instrument, you have to practice playing scales. If you want to get a better golf swing, you can go to the the driving range. Dummy parsing is crucial to DPS so the rotation becomes muscle memory during an actual trial encounter.
"Do the homework!!" -Asiangod
This video is amazing. It’s one of those hard pills to swallow for many players. The thing is the moment you realize you are bad and aren’t performing your role adequately is the moment you can actually start getting good. It’s literally the turning point we all faced at some point in our time playing eso.
Ikr It took a lot of public embarrassment for me to finally get it
OK, you play with the nerve damage I have. THEN you can spew garbage. It is difficult to find the keys when you can't feel them, or they actually cause pain. Enjoy being healthy.
Thanks for posting this! Trying to help our fellow gamers can be a double-edged sword, but seeing our guild mates put in the effort to imporve and reach their goals is one of the most satisfying part of group content. Helping people believe in themselves enough to put in the effort can be a struggle though. Sometimes their biggest obstacle is themselves.
Another side of this argument is that I’ve seen max CP people who push out piss-poor DPS in random pugs and such, like 10k DPS. They just spend all their time doing farming and such
There are also a lot of high level players who powered leveled their toon(s) at skyreach or some other place. This means they don't have the skills (and passives)to back up their level. This is why I won't help level anyone.
@@twofacepalmer1212 I have seen this in action a couple of times. Fast builds = limited skills = useless high leveled character.
wait till you have 400 ping and takes 2 sec to swap bars then tell me again how many dps you can get. This game have crap server and too much advantage for local country players.
Preach! Spot on Asian & I agree with you. 100%. Just for fun I took all the armor and jewels off my magblade that I normally hit 45-50k with and ran a parse weapons only, so zero set bonuses at all, and still managed 28k. I would say rotation matters more than anything but mechanics is the answer, as you're doing 0 dps if you don't know how to stay alive.
bullshit lol
I do completely agree with that! Gear and class won't carry u. Rotation, work and experience will do!
What an amazing video, I tell low level players the same thing. Most of them don't take the advice they just expect to magically do good dps once they have the mata gear. Your explanations are top notch, much better than mine. Will link them to your channel.
Nice vid asiangod. Im a 50kdps that play on console and do progression. I honestly do agree with u on alot of points. Alot of us didn't start out with high dps. It was the hours of practice and research that got me to do good dps. Tho it is annoying with the nerfs but that's another topic lol
Completely agree. I would say I am an intermediate player. I struggle with my rotation and I know this is why my dps is not higher. I agree you need to practice dps dummy rotations. When you get the strats down you can then apply that dummy dps practice and it makes all the difference.
Would add that the smoother you get on the dummy practice, the less you stress over the strategy of the fight. When your rotation is second nature, you can focus all your energy on the strat dance.
You can actually pull more than enough DPS for VHOFHM with a Heavy Attack Pet Sorc or Stam DK. Clean easy static rotations. As for anything after that I wouldn’t know from personal experience.I recommend those to people who like myself struggle with light attack weave centric builds like Magblade. 48-50K DPS is very obtainable on them. Great video Asian. We all have to have that come to “GGesus” moment as players. Where we recognize are limitations and strengths are as players. Only then can we realize our potential. The want to discover it. And the desire to put in the necessary work.
My max is 45k on magplar, cp 630. Spell strat, zaan, siroria and im using sweeps, not ele weapon. Not easy to do, but not impossible. Its just learning the rotation and practicing. At the start, using the same gear i could only hit 25k. Weaving correctly got me to 30k. Optimising my bars and i went to 35k. Used 2 different enchants and made 40k. 45k was done after A LOT of practice, so that i knew exactly when and what skill to use. I knew the whole 3 million rotation by heart at that point, even while not playing i could tell you the rotation. That was all solo buffed, no Lover, no charged enchant, no crazy food. I got numbers around 50k in raids and dungeons at bosses and everything kinda melted. Was quite cool must admit but quickly got boring. So much so, that skipping mechanics made me realise how bland the dungeons become without them. Id just solo carry through vanilla stuff (vet hm of course) and have enough dps that with a tank who could hold aggro we d push through vet DLC dungeons (non hm). It gets kinda boring at a point, so much so that i made a new char, a fully slotted stam nb with Relequin, Tzogvin and Veli. Yeah i made a stam nb, but im not that good at his rotation so i pull just above 30k every time. The point of this post is to show 2 things.
1. DPS is skill first, gear second. Skill is hard to get but possible. Def not a casual thing, i spent a lot of time honing my skills on the magplar.
2. DPS in this game is way way way over the limit. The moment you get to the point where you can skip a mechanic of a boss, it feels as if you lobotomized the dungeon. Made it simple, killed its personality and its essence. That kinda killed it for me and i quit. Everything became way too easy as far as 4 man content was to be considered and 12 man dungeons got boring when only me and about 4-5 other people had the interest to learn and improve, the others just couldnt understand that spears have to be sent, group up on fire, pick frost and swap bars at lightning...
P.S. I PUG 4 man content and 9 out of 10 times i finish the dungeon, DLC or not, on Vet.
if you ever redo this topic, please take more about WHAT a "good" rotation really is - how to know - I know it has been addressed by others but you have a good presentation style. And how to tell a bad rotation. sometimes you have to load stuff on your bar in order to level it, how does that affect your rotation?
If it helps, one trick to leveling skills is to load them on your front bar right before you turn in quests. If you’re on PC there are skill bar addons that allow you to switch between regular and ‘training’ skill bars at the click of a button. I am far from expert at the game but that’s one tip I’ve used.
I will admit I get laughed at a lot in dungeons because of my low dmg output hence why I mainly just solo everything and try to get into guild dungeons/trials when they let me. I've had plenty of randoms just outright tell me my dmg is shit with some going as far as telling me to, "Never queue for random dungeons again." which is laughable because if he has that high a head on his shoulders what IS HE doing in random queue? He should be with his elitist group doing Vet HM everything. Some things that have helped me out is knowing which gear to actually use and why certain skills are put on bars. I usually look to Asian for skill setup and how to use them correctly, Alcast for his beginner gear lists, and Woeler/Sherman/Xynode for their suggestions & tips/advice for general content.
I honestly do wish I was a better player. My best dmg toon is my NB bow/bow build with Hundigs/Briarheart and I attribute that to how easy the rotation & gear are. I just can't keep track of keeping up 8 DoTs on the enemy at all times.
Then practice. Most rotations are static and it just comes down to muscle memory. 1 hour a day, smack a training dummy until you get it down. Practice makes perfect. If it's too hard, pick a more simple class. As a healer, I'm not asking you to do 40k+ DPS. Just output enough that I'm not doing 30 - 40% of the DPS using the 2 AOE dot skills + heavy attacks that are on my bars. It's been so bad lately that these 10k GROUP DPS groups are all I'm matching with. I'm not trying to be elitist, I'm not trying to rush, but I don't want to spend 1 hour in a random dungeon just because you haven't put effort into looking at your skills and practicing your rotation.
At level 50, no real sets, 0 CP, I have no trouble hitting 4-5k single target DPS with just a couple buff AOE damage skills I have, so why is it so hard for DPS to do more than that?
I dont know what platform your on but im sure there is pretty much the same kind of guilds on pc as there is on console. Im only in two guilds atm. My very first one and another that teaches players all about dungeons and trials. Try finding a training guild. It helped me out a lot. Good luck! Also, unless you like babysitting, dont be a healer. Im a healer but I get off on the fact that people dont die on my watch most of the time. Im weird like that though :)
@@PxNxWxGxW Im a healer and i find DDs find ways of dying, like having 14k health in BC1 Hm where boss has a 20k one shot, and then they say i should out heal it...
Some higher dps people like to think that hitting high numbers is not something any1 can do and therefore makes them special. Any1 can do great dps with a bit of effort.
I was surprised how many people try learning a rotation and then something as simple as them hitting skill then light attack, not the other way around, keeps them doing far less than they should be able to. I've seen that issue time and time again, and they aren't aware what the difference is. I have to sit with them, show the first way where LA's aren't hitting, then the second way and they can see the LA's hit in the roto. Much respect for bringing up a very real topic! In my opinion, hitting 50+ dps does require that extra top tier gear, max cp, etc... but there are many many ways to get most players up to 35k or 40k. Those are realistically achievable by anyone.
Glad to see pc does have an effect though, switched to pc from console and was hitting 60k and running the hardest content and now am struggling to get over 40k on cp 350. Just gotta keep grinding and the dps will come it looks like.
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I use the Logitech g600 mouse. Helps a lot for speedy rotations. If keyboard skills doesn’t suit your playstyle I highly recommend it, or Corsair’s version of it. Some people may call you “fake” for using a mouse with so many buttons but if it helps, it helps.
When you need to say "I am a human" just not to trigger anyone...
make a video and teach those healers to run ele drain and use shards/orbs, annoying af to slot ele drain as a dps.
Yep. My healer rocks those skills. Gotta have em man. A dps should only worry about doing damage I agree. I know sometimes shit happens but Healers really need to step their game up cos being a healer is very important.
As a fairly new player, I would like to say that ESO has one of the friendliest and most helpful communities. If you are struggling in any way, look for a guild in zone chat. There are guilds for every level of player. They are filled with people who want to help you improve. Whether it's gear, rotation, mechanics, training runs. You can't focus learning mechanics if you're staring at your bar the whole time, so make sure you've got a rotation that you're comfortable with. You can practice LA/ability timing by spamming Ele Drain on a target dummy and then work your way up to your full rotation. I am sitting around 500 CP and pulling an average of 35k on my magden selfbuffed. I still have a lot of improving to do, but it wasn't very long ago that I was stuck at 17k and couldn't imagine how people were pulling upwards up 50k. I'm regularly grouping with guildies to acclimate to veteran trials and I hear "you've got to block that" way more times than I'd like to, but I'm getting to the point where I'm pulling that 35k+ in trials because I'm getting more comfortable with mechanics and anticipating them. You will see improvement if that is what you want, but you need to take the right steps to set you up for success! Find a guild!
Spot on. I started low as hell but can finally hit over 35k now because i actually slapped that dummy over and over and over. Thanks Asian!
100% agree with u and happy that you have that reasonable Opinion...know so much People with that "one way - no way" Headset and that's annoying as fck!!!
Thank you for this video. Should post to reddit and forums and be pinned there tbh. You probably should have included the parse in the video though since I already see someone saying it's fake.
On the topic of CP and powercreep in all these discussions people seem to neglect red and green CP which also do contribute to DPS. Both allow you to build a lot more offensive. For example I still remember that around the time of One Tamriel the sweetspot for HP in trial HMs was 17.2k. Back then that wasn't reached without either glyphs or some attribute adjustments. Nowadays you can even go with 15K and be fine mostly just due to the extra resistances you are getting. Score pushing tanks have swapped to tanking in medium gear for most fights, offtanks are often more DPS than tanks, groups are in many instances fine with only one healer while the other also DPS. While it's also just an increase of roughly 300 CP for a single player or 30 per patch it's 3600 more CP for a full trial group or 360 respectively.
I totally get that it isn't the sole reason for powercreep, but it's one of the easiest to address. Personally I would prefer if we would be able to go back to 40k ST being absolute top DPS so we can play mechanics again and HMs aren't getting completed 5-35 minutes.
Tell em! People gotta get good if they want that sweet DPS, but through constructive criticism and proper practice. =)
Always appreciated your videos mate but there is one thing you haven't addressed in this video and that is the affect that ping rate has on rotations. Coming from Australia with a ping of 400 on average the ability to perform a good rotation is impossible. Doesn't matter how quick you press your buttons the game simply doesn't register your clicks quick enough which has a huge effect on DPS. Maybe provide some build advice on players who are experiencing high ping rate, some simpler builds that don't require animation cancelling perhaps as there are lots of us out there that experience high ping rates.
Keep the videos coming thou, you've filled the gap that Gilliam left!
400 ping accounts for like 10% dps loss from my experience, the slight delay on every light attack adds up. Aussies trying to compete on the na server feels like being in a formula 1 race while driving tractor, it’s really not a fair competition.
For me, it’s just denial. Most people have that “OP” mind state due to modern games not really having an endgame balance. So, new players are more movitated to follow the most OP builds or characters. When this happens, they do all the homework, find/farm all the gear and when they think they’re ready for hard content, they get exposed. And once exposed, they blame everyone else and cannot see it’s them. Ego is a huge part of why they’re not doing well in ESO. Most people can’t grasp the notion of you don’t always start off good. They want to roadhouse immediately because in their minds eye, they’re the Shroud of ESO.
Eso is strange like that, I remember when I was around 300cp and thought I knew everything and have seen a lot of players around that cp have the same perspective. Then most get humbled by facts eg dummy dps numbers, then back to feeling like a noob again until you peak.
71.5k dps on a 21mil trials dummy.
Now I gotta farm perfect rele and perfect loke.
STYNCLSY Hehe good job, definitely worth the work too right? With rele and lokke expect to go much higher too!
@@joanniecook2371 I don't have to farm it but I want the sets for multiple toons
STYNCLSY Shut up smart ass
Well deserved channel name!! Thx for sharing!
Press light attack, press skill - there you can do good dps. I will never understand how these people who play for thousands of hours can still be so bad.
As a terrible player (39k dps), I think it’s more complicated than that. If you press too fast, your light attack won’t complete, and if you press too slow, you won’t animation cancel. It requires precise timing and a good rhythm. Which is not easy for all players to get perfect.
Not to mention you have to play perfectly while also avoiding AoEs, managing DoT stacks, and playing mechanics.
Press la and then skill 8s not so easy, if do too fast or too low Yr dps will not be that good.
@Johnston Wang yes that is exactly my meaning, nobody in game will teach how really do a good weaving, so.... For many ppl is so hard to improve dps. You really got the point. Also after you can get a good dps at the dummy but that not mean you can do that dps in raid, even in raid you will get many buff. That is cos in raid you need dodge block sprint use shield etc etc, also you will be sooo exciting to try to survive and doing good dps at the same time.
But for some ppl is sooo easy do all those. Unfortunately for some other ppl is not and nobody will really teach them. This is the bad thing in eso.
All those masters on UA-cam make video about the builds but that can t help anything.
You use this set or that set will be only few k dps different, but here we are speaking somebody will do 25k at dummy and some other will do 60k with same build. That is ridicolous.
Practice more. The “timing is hard” is the saddest excuse I’ve heard yet.
@@atraismachina8748 Thats a reason not an excuse.
saying i just cant/im bad or any variation of that is a excuse.
personaly my excuse is that due to the mouse i use, logitech g300 and way i bind buttons its extremly awkward to switch as the same finger controlls three actions one of which would be the light attack.
answer i should rebind my buttons....true
i wont as its the way ive played for years in many games.... an excuse
i pull 30k dps without major breach, and only in about 1 in 10 vet dungeons is the other dps massively better.
i dont weave, i dont use a spamable, 6 skill rotaion+ hvy attack
as a example today i did vet tempest island, final boss is single target and the group damage exculding me was 11k
and the fact that skill use and light attacks are on seperate global cooldowns is NEVER mentioned in the entire game
you spend all that time leveling to cp whatever then findout that while you could of be practicing weaving all that time, you have to unlearn everthing
regards
Well I'm not that low myself. I can push 35-37K DPS on multiple characters, but I've been stuck at that level for a while since I keep rotating trough all characters, and about half the time I tank. I can do just fine in most DLC dungeons, Craglorn trials and even vMoL, finished vMA on all my mature characters without issue. But I don't seem to crack past that 40K limit on the dummy with self buffs and self applied drain for magicka characters. I mostly use base game sets, since I didn't farm Cloudrest that much, and what I got I gave away to players who needed it more. I agree with t3hasiangod
that practice is the key. I think 2-3 hours per day for 3-4 months will bring me to 50K easily.
I am wearing Julianos with Necropotence and typically using Grothdarr. I have equipped Soria with Zaan and SS etc like every target dummy cheeser out there promotes and found little difference for me because I need to get better at weaving a lot more and I like to use lightning heavy attack (magsorc). That said.. sticking with Julianos and Necropotence I have gone from 18k .. to 27k with no gear changes simply by working on my weaving and rotation some. Obviously I'm not hitting 40 or 50k any time soon.. but I did up my parse 9k just from spending some hours hitting that stupid target dummy.
I recently found out most people parse with a debuff on the target dummy so I'm sure next time I will parse even higher (i just used my build and a normal 6mil dummy with none of the debuffs or healer orbs/prayer/etc for my parse because I felt that was the proper way to do it). My point is.. gear I'm sure makes a difference, but in my case Julianos/Necropotence/Grothdarr combo is just as powerful as Perfect Soria/Zaan's/Spell Strat because my gear is not whats keeping me from doing more damage my skill level is. I want to try Julianos with Mothers Sorrow (tired of pet) and I want to try the 'Easy Sorc' build from another content creator but despite my 'lack of skill' I've been able to solo Vet Arx Corinium, many normal dungeons and I've had many compliments from dungeon groups on my dps.. my build is tuned for 4 man content because I do that way more than trials.
Right now I am ok with my parse, but I find the people pushing 40s + are often not kind about giving 'advice'. I don't run vet trials, I don't group with progression groups, I don't enter your 'elite' bubble of game play but I am trying to get better and I wish there was less of an attitude among some players who have been at it longer. I've been playing now for just over 3 months and hope to 'get gud' but some friendly assistance would be appreciated much more than what I have come in contact with in game.
Gear IS important. No matter how good or bad you are
A bad player in Good gear will do worse than in bad gear, this is because most Good gear has a high skill level to maintain stacks which coincidentally enough usually rely on light attack weaves or at the very least not running around like a headless chicken
@@garynicolson5192 Fair point
This is simply time investment that a lot of players do not want to commit to. There's plenty of people who do not like failing, and most do when first trying to parse. I've met plenty of people who have given up before, until others coach them (analyse parse, watch their rotation, provide resources). There's MANY people out there without this kind of help or encouragement.
Is that a design flaw? Yes. No. Maybe. Both.
Nice video
i do have a question regarding gear, as people use that as a major excuse, like getting 600 extra spellpower is going to double there dps (its about 8% imho)
what is the difference between a meta setup, say majika sorc, and 2 super easy to get sets say julianos paired with mothers/necro/torugs/spinners with valkyn scoria/stormfist, i say julianos because you can get the weapon traits you want no hastle. vma staff is fair for meta build but not base build, you already have a vidieo showing about 2-3k benifit from it i belive.
your meta sorc gets about 50k what would "base" game sets get you? (sets that you could get in 20mins and gold them out at cp160)
max cp ofcourse
i believe this would demonstrate just how little gear matters compared to skill elements like weaving
thx
I intend to answer this in a later video exploring power creep and the "secret" behind high DPS.
Between 10 and 20% difference, not enough difference to affect beating content or not. Bus Tank and healer setups make a very big difference in trials.
Ive come across many players you can do good dummy damage even better than me but when it came to actual content i out preformed cause i did damage as much as possible and remembered what to apply when based on the situation
Gear is maybe 50% of dps. Problem is light attack rotation, and they are right, it is next to impossible for casual player to get to top on that. Getting 20-25k dps is doable though nowadays with very little practise. Pet sorc with full heavy attack build will pull 30k even in inexperienced hands, assumed he get some advice on enchants and traits.
Have to agree there...If you want to do end game content and do reasonably good dps...you just have to put some time and effort to do that. Myself, I spend about 30 min every day on the target dummy( at least trying to do that). I am well aware that I will probablly never pul the numbers some of top guys are pulling, but I am training.People are different and so are the abilities to do stuff. Myself I pull high numbers on one class and totally suck with other with meta gear and with the same cp of course.That just means for me that there are some clases and even roles better suited for me than others or I just dont put enough effort in it. You dont have to make a stamblade becouse it theoretically can pull highest numbers and then be disapointed that you cannt do that because the rotation is too difficult and blame guys who are puting their time and effort to make build videos on UA-cam for that.
under 20k dps isn't viable, you need at least 20k dps to be useful in a group else you're going to be holding people back. And always throw resources if you're the lower DPS especially a non-meta stamplar.
Well... Dat's complicated thematic.
Let's start far away...
I'm quite new subscriber, joined on ... A middle of Murkmire i guess. Mostly i'm stam nb player. Mostly pvp. Mostly bg. Not the best ofc. But i'm now lot's of combos and can execute dem in most of sceneries.
But I'm always struggling with PvE.
I get only (at maximum) 41.5k dps on 3mil dummy. My build is Velidreth+Releq+briarheart/maelstrom. But i realise, dat i can't reach dat amount of DPS coz in sone sceneries i need to switch targets, stick to mechanics and so on. So i change Releq to Warmachine. Now i get 36.5k dps. But that's still ideal to me. Why? Coz light attacks are pain. Maybe i played to much in devil may cry games, but i push my buttons way to fast. In 50% of times my LA doesn't come. Nevertheless, when i'm comparing my best dps test to yours one - yours looks like 50% faster. Dat leads me to idea, that there is some optimal timings for each skill and it's LA cancel and i just can't find optimal one.
Practice more.
You are absolutely right.
The issue with people who don't spend time improving their DPS is entitlement, they feel that just because they paid for the game or for ESO+ they are entitled to clear all the content that the game has. Just spend a day improving your build and rotation on your character and 35k+ dps is easily achievable
I can confirm that. At the beginning i hit with my magplar only 25k dps at max cp then i started to train my rotation and now i hit 42k dps. It's all about discipline like he said in his video
I hear that Metroid prime music in the background
I'm happy I just got 71.5k dps with my bosmer stamblade running vel/Rele/Ay. On the trails dummy
As a somewhat more professional dps (All trials+hms clear+Immortal Redeemer and a few top scores in leaderboards) and teacher to quite a few ppl i would probably say that dps depends the most on player skill and dedication. I spent a lot of time explaining, crafting and adjusting builds with ppl but there is no way around practice (on dummies to get the muscle memory and in trials to get experience in adjusting to diffrent situations and mechanics).
I was actually pretty surprised that you were talking about 15k dps as "high" and hard to get for some players. In my opinion there is no player who should be under 30k dps if theyre open to criticism and put some dedication into it (the time spent surely differs from person to person).
15k is high for a lot of people. While many end-game players consider that bad, for a lot of the more casual players, 15k is really high DPS, especially on a CP160 character.
I'm in a frustrating bucket because I just hit ~25k dps at 220 CP and im really struggling with vMA ( soft stuck on last boss) at that CP, as well as no groups will take me to vhof which is where my bis set comes from and nhof doesnt really get run. Everyone essentially says just farm CP, which is like valid advice but kind of frustrating that majority of really end-game content is behind a crazy grind if you want to do it in any fast manner.
If you are strugging with vMA maybe it's way too early to try vHOF. There are a lot of nHOF pug groups in Craglorn you can get into. Asian also have a video about CP difference impact on dps, it's a lot less important than your rotation and skill.
Carson if you are a stam character I suggest you get werewolf and put on plague doctor with a offense set and also use troll king or any healing two pieces on and when you get to top where you need to destroy the crystal MAKE SURE you don't get hit with his project because their is a bug where the dot Doesn't come off . And just before the last crystal going break place a dot and jump down than proceed to hit the shield power than when that runs out hit the other two at the same time
@@akakybashmachkin656 I dunno, his graph indicates about a 12k dps difference from my CP to max. that would bring me to 37k dps from 25k on the dummy by itself. I know my rotation could use some work and lightweaving as well, but my maximum gains from that are ~16%, my maximum gains from CP are ~50%.. ( some other odds and ends like master architect, gold gear, gold back-bar weapon, vMA staff would be most of the rest other then skill and CP). so the lions share of my damage gain is gated behind a CP grind as far as i can tell. not that I shouldnt try to improve.
@@droopy3653 I'm magicka, which im told is easier for the whole of vMA. which seems accurate. not sure how magden's are at vMA though.
Just ran vma on magden
Another thing with CP is that (usually) higher CP’s come with more practice and familiarity with the game itself. So there is a drastic difference in CP 160 characters and CP 810 characters due to mastery of the game, like at least some familiarity with weaving, mechs, how passives affect stats etc. as well as the dps bump from max stats.
With cp a lot of people completely ignore the jump points under 810 too.
I do see alot of people who dont put in anytime learning. And assume because they are hi cp that they are good. These are the worst. But in a guild I help out with there are people who do put in at least some time.. but still are not seeing progress. And there are some who have decent dps, but they cannot stay alive..
I swear the dps system reminds me of dcuo i feel like rotations is big factor when it comes to damage output but I'm also a new player at 188 cp
My problem is (as a terrible player), I just can’t get the timing right. I have been playing for two years now, and I spend about 30min a week practicing on a target dummy, but I just can’t crack 40k. I have been stuck at 39k for months. And knowing that most vet trials teams want 45k, it just feels like I have always been garbage and always will be - there is still a huge gap that I’ll never be able to surmount.
It’s just extremely frustrating. And it bugs me that it’s so easy for most people to do good dps, and I’m so terrible at it.
Your probably in the top 1% of players
back when i mained pvp i was hitting 47k dps last year with khajiit nb hundings/ relequen/veli with bi food so in the rotation i had to atleast do heavy attack weave. its not hard to do dps honestly. i met someone in the game too way back she was cp 530 and she was hitting 40k dps on magblade before summerset came out.
Do good dps is very difficult and not that easy. Eso is too complicated need do perfect rotation and perfect la+skill during fight with many adds and boss they are doing big aoe and you need survive to all those by dodging by block etc etc...the build is not so important at all, you need do perfect rotation that is the only important thing. If you mistake just a little then Yr dps will drop a lot immediately. Actually with my stam dk I can do 44k at 6 m dummy without the tank crushing, but I fell myself as a super noob compare with some friends in game.
So need more videos about the rotation and less video about the builds. Everyone know which set trait skill etc etc...
Practice, practice and more practice
My night blade at 160cp was doing 20k damage now I main tank most of the time on my dk. I don't think the rotations to hard it always is just optimizing per fight and understanding weaving.
@@renkei7864 20k even my son 7 years old can do better than that
Luca CIONI depends on the gear my nightblade literally has shit for gear. Raid buffed and with good gear you should be able to output 70k+ gear makes a huge difference in this game and so does being in a trial. 10 abilities isn't much on rotation. Considering there is no ogcd abilities and nobody wants to posts score on parser websites for this community. This games learning curve isn't too big your right a 7 year old with good gear can easily do 20k+ there is only 5 + 1 buttons per bar and some classes take double passives on bar to the point where you only have to press 6. Like magsorc. This game is far easier then people realize. The community is just egoists and dickheads. Which is why it's one of the least popular games ATM. Plus i miss older tes. And zos are predatory dickheads and charge 30 dollars for a race change.
@@renkei7864 least popular games?? Have you been paying attention
I'm not max cp and have not yet got bloodthirsty gold rings or infused gold necklace yet wich will increase my dps but is 35k ish on a 6m 3m dummy ok for the earlier vet trials so craglorn vmol and vhof and maybe vss all none hm btw
thank you
I’m doing roughly 28k, 29k and 30k dps on 3 mill dummy. I am 400 cp do think cp will increase that by 5k. I’m a mag sorc. I buff the dummy with the Destro buff thing.
DPS is more about mechanics and awareness... and being able to DPS AND do them. WoW has the same issue. watching a caster in wow.. like a mage.. thats never played a "turret" style class. try to learn to move between globals and keep DPS high is painful. its FAR more important than gear.
Well said
This is like listening to a MLB baseball player talk about how easy it is to hit a 90mph fastball that was "Right down the pike." Most of the community doesn't have the amount of time that you obviously do to practice rotations, farm gear, gold, mats, ect. Therefore most of the community can't do what you can.
Video games are far easier than everything irl. All it takes is time.
Also the question that goes hand in hand with this: What counts as 'good' DPS? I mostly heal and can dish out about 20K while maintaining my buff and debuffs.
That's relative to the content you want to do. Something like vet non-DLC dungeons only require 20k DPS on the bosses, while vet DLC trials can require as high as 50k to 60k DPS on the bosses.
@@t3hasiangod You talking single DPS right not group DPS?
@@eengel69 Yes, single target DPS
Thing is you can't use these damage meters as dps in an instance. You really should do some vids of you in a random 4 man vet dungeon with these type of experiments. Try a vet dungeon with 160cp with random people to see what is really your dps on bosses. You standing in front of a target dummy doesn't show anything but a rotation. Obviously there are easier dungeons, but still I think people would get more out if your vids with actual fights, not a target that just stands there.
K so iv platoed at 35k magplar for the last 3-5 patches self buffed and 55k with that trial buffer dummy 30+k is just rotation?
That is exactly where I sit. I play with 350ping most nights and I honestly believe its my light attacks. Looking at my combat log heaps of my light attacks are not registering. I keep hoping to find some key component to push me higher but for now its a plateau.
@@Betruet u on pc or consel
@@matthew7840 pc/na @plumb
What would be considered as a "good dps" for a 320 CP Stam NB ? With purple Velidreth set + Relequen, hundings rage weapon ? (Approximatively). I can put 20k on a skeleton dummy, going higher in Trial but I don't know how to compare this to other Stam NB
Probably around 25k to 30k self-buffed on a 6m dummy.
I hit 15k on my stamblade at cp 188 and I've only play a week and a half i just know mechanics and know my rotation
Played
Out of curiosity, would you be willing to do a cp160 and cp300 and cp600 parse for a typical mag and/or stam build? Class/build is your choice but preferably not 1-bar petsorc, its fine for easy to achieve dps but isnt utilizing half of its potential.
I know rotation is a huge chunk but I really think people may have forgotten what its like to be low cp and not have a lot of points in particular cp nodes. For example all my parses, using constellations, tells me I should be putting 0 points into staff mastery, and Im cp 569 as of writing this, so well over halfway through the grind and constellations tells me still 0 points in the node that does the single highest amount of damage over a fight. I get it that a lot of other cp nodes also effect light attacks, but being max cp and having the points to dump into all the other nodes as well as the ones constellations tells me not to get yet is unarguably a huge chunk when doing your rotation correctly.
Im still pushing my parse, I'm nearing 40k on my non-pet magsorc(Outside ele drain and undaunted orbs provided for me, nothing else). Still fixing a few things with gear, transmutes and stuff, but I was hoping to see a more reliable parse from someone I know can push the numbers
Even on max CP you rarely put more than 20 points into staff expert. LAs might be the single highest damage source, but staff expert buffs only that and nothing else.
Master at arms, Elemental Expert, Elfborn, Spell Erosion all affect LAs on top of a bunch if not all other abilities.
Thaumaturge is the only one that doesn't buff LAs, but you usually have 2-3 dots so it still has more priority than only LAs.
I'll probably do a few lower CP parses when I re-examine how much CP contributes to power creep. That video is probably going to be on hold though, since Elsweyr is coming out today.
It's not hard to put numbers on a dummy. More than a good rotation makes a good dps. Need to know boss mechanics. Most importantly need to stay alive. The best dps can't do much when they need a rez.
Edit: I left this comment prior to watching the whole video. I agree with everything you said. I pull 50k on 4 different classes on PS4.
Well i doubt not to many ppl gon have gold weapons, gear at cp 160 lmao. Tho i agree rotations will help alot to improve dps. So that 17k 160cp take away your gold weapons and gear.
I think it is harder to find people for a vet raid.
Oh my GOD! What have you DONE?!
Cp 160 on a stamblade I was hitting 24k. It's possible and it was on purple hundings weapons and armor and spriggans
Hundings is actually used quite a bit by a lot of veteran trials players, albeit depending on the trial. But it is still used quite a bit.
Human? You can't be...you're the Asian God! :D
Number 1 tip you need a good internet to high dps
It isn't that getting 35k dps is hard to get, it is more of a community problem that almost every guild/ group requires much higher dps in order to even be considered to run the end game content.
Grant Fullmer that’s most likely because they want to be able to run trials faster than they’d be able to with people hitting lower. There are also tested limits on vet and vet hard mode end game content, no guild will want a 25k dps on a vet hard mode group, it’s just simple logic really.
For end game hard mode content the difference between 25k and 35k DPS can be the difference between an actual completion and a complete waste of 12 people's time. Vet trial progressions are often scheduled a week in advance and at least 2 hours set aside. Aiming to improve and reach the groups dps requirements is a matter of consideration for your team really.
This is why I main healer. This game's combat is shit and relies on an exploit(weaving). I do have a sorc... My max dps on it is only like 22k even after a lot of practice, though. I am just not a dps person I suppose.
You should be weaving on your healer too though. The game devs don’t view animation cancelling as an exploit so it isn’t one.
@@RampantCake It is one, but ZoS are, let's be honest, shitty and lazy devs. This game feels like it is held together with duct tape. If they would take the time to revamp their terrible combat system, this game would rival WoW.
It was retro actively made "not a exploit" cos they couldnt get rid of it
but if the game says you can do one thing a second, a trick that allows 2 just feels wrong
it does however promote skill in such a massive way that im now in favor of it...but it still a exploit
a argument i felt summed it up was, "if you swing your greatsword and animation cancel so it never hits, then it didnt hit"
I believe its because the games code isint using collision detection for attacks just a were you in range when the attack was fired/cast logic
I use to hit for 36k now I hit for 44k not hard just kept practicing rotation I can even hit 50k with siroria
Am pulling 43k dps on a 3 mil dummy with my stam sorc self buff n I want to know if that can complete all the content in the game or I need higher numbers?
Well it's a stamsorc so doing vAS and vCR is definitely more difficult. While bow/bow allows ranged playstyle, most people still prefer magicka in those trials. Might be tough to find a group that lets you play stamsorc there.
Apart from that you can do anything in the game on stamsorc with your DPS. Just need to be careful with hurricane in some places like second round of vBRP or when running through the middle on final boss vhoF.
@@NupidTV alright ty for ur feedback ive also have a mag sorc that I hit 41k on, it's just that stam sorc is so much more fun to play with
I would check your DPS on a 6m to see how your sustain is. If you're hitting ~40k on the 6m, that will be enough for most content in the game. You wouldn't necessarily be able to clear vAS + 1/2 or vCR + 2/3, but everything else would be fine.
@@t3hasiangod ty I also have a mag sorc also am currently working on his rotation
Only problem is people shit on you for having anything less then 50k
A good amount of people who struggle with dps are boomer potatoes
Yo Asian I m cp 530, stamblade, I’m full stuffed advanced Yokeda Relequen velidreth but I only get 46k and high level guild tel me that I need 50k I’m training for 3 day now you think is possible to me to grind to 50+ at my cp ??? Also due to the fact I went to vmol 1 time, I died a lot so pick up group kick me... High level player don’t have time to teach me I guess so how I’m I suppose to learn ? Thank you mate hope you fine 🧙🏼♂️🖖🏽
vMoL is sort of "noob filter". There are soft dps checks and more reliance on positioning and following instructions than numbers. You don't need to deal 50k. Dead people deal no dps.
I'd say ditch that guild and find a proper progression guild that is focused on trying and improving rather than on finishing things.
Hello Kud0, 46k dps is really good at your level, you will get the 4k you are missing with maelstrom bow.
Gaining CP will give you a tiny bit more dps, but not that big of a deal vs gear and rotation.
About vMOL and raids in general, i advice you find a guild which isn't a score running guild. You'll learn much more and get more fun out of it, even if you don't pass vMOL on the first week or month ^^.
PS: being a good dps is more than showing off his big dps : doing mechs, positioning and **not dying** is key. You have 2 inactive dds when someone needs res !
I got vma bow to 😞
I have the same build on my stamblade. I was stuck at 45k before i finally hit 50k.
You gotta practice the rotation, like Asian says in the video.
If this guild actually cares about building its community, there may be someone who can watch your rotation while you parse and show you how to get that extra 4k. But I would actually agree with Robert Prus...if you've only ran vMoL once, then maybe you need to find a progression guild that will work with you instead of a team that expects you to know the encounters.
MarFrack there no build that grind vmol 😞😞
Hey mate, im using c-frag on both bars (swapped out daedric armor) and i have way more proccs resulting in c-frag being top3 dmg ability. Have u tested it yet ? I think its something worth mentioning to a fellow asian
I haven't tried that yet.
I'm struggling lots with magicka nb, I'm cp 562 and can't dps because I can't learn roto ig. I run 5 ia 5 ms and 2 grothdar. Wrong traits. I'm on ps4, my psn is (friffin). In desperate need of help. Will pay for time and helping.
18200 pen on an 18200 resistance dummy. A 160cp isnt at 18k pen... Lmao gold devines ms is cheap? Dang man pc players got it EAAAASSSSYYY
Yo i keep telling ppl this, no excuse to not get decent dps in 2019
Someone might point out, that 15k dps is very low. A single high gear and high cp player will have around the same dps as a 10man group of 6dds 2tanks and 2 healers pulling this type of numbers.
And that someone would be wrong. That situation would end up in said solo player having his dps dropped to ~20k, because without a group he won't have buffs, he will have to move a lot and switch some offensive skills to heals and shields. If we're talking some easier trial like maybe AA, such player would probably still beat it, but it would take a while comparing to a group with overall 150-200k dps, which is enough to beat any normal and some of the vet trials in game. Comparing the numbers without taking the context of an actual fight into account does nothing.
What about getting good :)
50k DPS? What move in ESO does 50,000 damage in a second?
Templar execute can do 100k per second.
You want people to.. Be conscious of themselves?LUL. Good luck dude, you put out good stuff but no one wants to put in a semblance of effort
Shit I’ll say it lol. I’m lazy af in this game. I have 13 characters. I don’t want to do lorebooks, psijic, fighters guild, undaunted, etc on ALL 13 of them. Plus I work 60 hours a week. Your funny dude
There are around 3 million active players of ESO around all platforms. This channel has around 7.4 thousand subscribers. Let that sink in for a bit. A HUGE portion of the playerbase doesnt even care to watch what theorycrafters post, let alone use it. More than 99% of the people who play ESO don't care about theorycrafting, getting best dps etc.
Facts^ most players including myself don’t care enough about the extra maybe 5k dps you can get from 12 hours of grinding. Unless you are going for scores it’s just not worth it. Nice try though in an attempt to make yourself sound better.
@@porkchopcreative18 but they are the first ones to complain, or whine. I get people work and stuff, that's life. You can put 20 minutes a night into practicing and learning your character deeply. Eventually, you'll pick up on it. Or just ask a friend you know hits nice. Community is here for a reason brother
Tbh man idgaf about any of this. I’m a pvper and I make my own builds. I get what your saying I just thought it was funny how u said it
45 isnt to hard to hit with if you use asians videos. worked for me. NB WARDEN SORC etc etc used them all 50k+ plus is for the elite imo
I hit 50k and don’t consider it elite. Just wanted to hit 50k. There’s really very little difference between 40 and 60k once you factor in frame drops and lag.
@@monalisa-bs4zs i honestly dont know how things are now this was 3 months or some shit ago so things have changed 50k was the elite club before the new patches etc
i dont lag period.did i mention im also shitty at eso lol
This game must be so good without lag. I’d prefer to be shit with gd connection tbh, your lucky.