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That's because NOBODY in Britain, the US, or Canada/British NA (or really anywhere in the world) trusted Arnold. He was just too sus (lol)! I wouldn't be surprised if there people who blamed him for what happened to the spy Major Andre. Arnold was only useful to GB when helping them beat Americans. Once the war was over, they had no use for him, and (again) absolutely no one wanted anything to do with him.
@@imabitmid But Andre was doing his job and had the misfortune of getting caught. Arnold on the other hand was a backstabber; likely literally in New London.
@@SEAZNDragon Doing his job, which involved USING the backstabber to work against his loving enemies. People are just fickle like that; I know many sympathize with a killer like Billy the Kid than Pat Garrett, just for doing his job!
@@derekbates4316 He was doing his duty as a military agent, he served his country which of course meant ensuring that his people suffer the least in the war which means working with a backstabber. He was simply a soldier working in service of his people.
The treason house was in my hometown (unfortunately it burned down). And as a child my father would take me on a hike with a plaque on the trail marking where Major John Andre got captured. It made learning early American history so much more interesting living where it happened.
@comrade7324 i mean, we have st augustine,Kennedy space center theres a cool house i used to live by that was the site of a gang shootout with the fbi in the 1930s so theres some cool history here
@@Niels_Larsen Arnold to Washington: You left me to die on a doomed operation and when I succeeded in it, you only half heartedly give me my credit. I should have defected sooner
Arnold might have gotten a bit more sympathy if he sailed off to Europe with his second wife while flipping double birdies and screaming "f*ck off, I'm with England now!" from the back of the ship. It's the betrayal part that pisses everyone off.
8:51 I heard a story that after Arnold had turned traitor, when he was getting ready to face a battle against American troops, he asked a fellow officer what they would do to him if he was captured. The officer's supposed response: "They would cut off that leg, bury it with full military honors, and hang the rest of you!"
Close. Arnold was asking that of a captured Patriot Captain and the specific verbiage was : "They would cut off the leg that was wounded at Quebec and Saratoga and bury it with the honours of war, and the rest of you they would hang on a gibbet." Which is cold.
The fact that there's a Boot Monument to him, even without any words, says they weren't that far off. People have more respect for his leg compared to the rest of him. Because let's face it, the hero that Benedict Arnold died when his leg was struck in the minds of the American and even the Canadian people. Even the British, the very people he turned traitor for, don't want anything to do with him because he really didn't want anything to do with their cause, just their money.
This was so tense in Liberty's Kids. They had made sure to include Andre often enough before then that you'd immediately remember him when he entered the scheme. And even though he was a British Major and helping Arnold defect and betray his country, the show had also made it VERY clear on multiple occasions what happened to spies and traitors; so you can't help feeling absolutely terrified when Andre is caught with the papers, or the sinking feeling in your stomach when everyone pieces together what it means. Arnold appears later on.... Andre disappears.... :/ Also, the show keeps the American soldier with the Hessian jacket. I had never thought much about it, but I love that they included it!
Honestly, it's surprising how much of Liberty's Kids is actually accurate. I mean, there is definitely fictionalization and sugar coating, but there's a lot more historical fact to the series than most might believe. For example, General Lee bringing his dogs with him everywhere? Yeah, that's true.
First constantly betray one of their national heroes that sacrificed literally everything for them, just to be surprised when he betrays them back. Peak American arrogance
@@agecom6071 if you’re gonna expect us to respect a man that not only betrayed his country but also slaughtered civilians who were his own people then all I’m going to say is there is a reason the British also despised Arnold
@@agecom6071I mean, yeah he got d!cked over by congress a bit. But it’s not like he wasn’t still highly popular. He was literally the commander of a vital fort (the future site of the US military academy) and had the trust and backing of Washington. Had he not stabbed Georgie in the back, man would have been remembered in the same vein as John Paul Jones and would probably have his own crypt at West Point. Instead, he did what he did
“I wish it had been my heart,” - what Arnold told an officer after being wounded at the battle of Saratoga. In some ways we were very unfair to Arnold. But, Arnold’s ego, lack of patience, and chip on his shoulder made himself his own worst enemy. Had he waited a few years, he would have seen Gates get his just desserts at Camden and that could have been the moment where he could have revealed that his strategy was precipitated the victory at Saratoga.
Even if he hadn't, just not working with the British would have saved him. He was cleared of all charges, the two left were probably more saving face, and given command of West Point. Even back then, that was a good position and his vindication would have come. Heck after the war he would likely be respected for his actions towards loyalists by both sides.
@@barryfraser831 I think if Washington just flat out told him what was going on in the political atmosphere. Arnold would have found a way to “play along.”
@@Pat4President1 I think Washington did. But congress pulled up stuff from 5 whole years before, where they not only didn’t pay Arnold back, but Joseph Reed fined him 1000 pounds. That’s a hard pill for anyone to swallow.
A ton of Arnold's grievances were legitimist. Not excusing what he did but had congress been slightly less dysfunctional, it is likely Arnold would never have turned.
Thanks for not throwing Peggy under the bus...when i hear the tale, Peggy gets the lion's share of the blame for being young and extravagant and wanting to continue living the good life that she loved and had up until the war started in earnest. B Arnold wanted the praise and the raise, and didn't realize that everyone had a beef with Congress. Arnold was responsible for his own misdeeds and his claims that he did it for live are greatly exaggerated.
It gets better. Arnold was attracted to Peggy in the first place because she was educated and politically informed. Peggy and Arnold genuinely loved each other, they had seven kids together (five lived to maturity), she followed him to Canada after the war and then back to England, and after he died she personally managed his finances to pay off his debts. For the last three years of her life after Arnold's death, Peggy was willing to put up with considerably less comfort. Actually a strong, stoic woman.
The ending statement was gold. "General Benedict Arnold died heroically at Saratoga, but with his death, Arnold the Traitor was born." Great writing. PLEASE do the English Civil Wars with Oliver Cromwell, and King Charles I. It's such a a great story of history that doesn't get enough spot light, when England became a Republic, Charles I lost his head, nearly 200 years before the French stole the idea, and the "Revolutionaries" were technically the bad guys!! What a Twist!!
The statement is a great description of what happened. As well as how this is a story of a villain/traitor killing a hero, despite them both being the same person.
The closest character to Benedict Arnold in Latin America probably was Pedro Santana, a hero of the Dominican War of Independence against Haiti (1844-1856) that later agreed into returning the Dominican Republic to Spain as a protectorate, sparkling a second independence war between 1863 and 1865. Today Pedro Santana is buried in the National Pantheon in Santo Domingo, alongside other historical figures of Dominican Republic, including former rivals.
0:31 Dang, Arnold cucked Andre and Andre made Arnold into America's most hated traitor. Revenge, like gazpacho soup, is a dish best served cold, precise, and merciless.
Benedict Arnold is a reminder to all Americans to how the revolution was not something all embraced, but a gamble by a dedicated core who over came the British through skill, and most importantly, luck.
The officer who was part of Washington's spy ring that heard about Andre's capture and found the incriminating documents at 5:45 was Major Benjamin Tallmadge. He ran Washington's Culper Ring in New York. Alexander Rose wrote a great book about it called Washington's Spies and they based a show on the book called Turn: Washington's Spies.
You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. I know that line is from a movie, but I can’t help but feel it somehow applies to this story given everything that’s been said.
I think this is the first time in all my viewing of Extra History that they have commented on modern day politics. Had me going back to make sure I wasn't seeing things.
@@rogerman65 Indeed he was. All living relatives are descendants of George Washington's younger brothers. At least according to Wikipedia. He helped to parent both stepkids and stepgrandkids, though. So it depends on how you define childless, I suppose.
Man, Tall really didn’t even bother to name drop Ben Tallmadge? Come on. One of the most important Americans in the war and he’s almost entirely unknown He’s the one who caught Andre for everyone who’s not heard of him, a cavalry officer, head of George Washingtons security, head of intelligence and spies for the continental army.
@@zacharyperlee4179 he did. He only talked about the fact he ran spies one time after the war, And it was to testify that some men were thieves who found out information while committing a robbery, and not working for Washington like they claimed( trying to get a bounty.)
Tallmadge is recognized in Ohio--the town of Tallmadge, Ohio is named after Benjamin Tallmadge. Additionally, the Ohio counties of Williams, Van Wert and Paulding are named after the 3 men who captured Andre.
I enjoyed the way this series of events was depicted in "Turn: Washington's Spies." Also, one of my ancestors was among the men who fired cannons at the HMS Vulture, screwing up John Andre's evac and resulting in his capture.
I love how you are talking about Canada's history foreigners don't understand how bad and bloody yet very interesting history we have btw the theme song is so good it hits so hard
I feel like it's unfair to not give Arnold credit for his contributions to the Revolution (which were by no means minor), even given his ignoble end. Besides, wasn't the lack of recognition that drove him to treason to begin with?
I can completly understand Arnold, I would argue America betrait him First. Its also hart to betray a country that at that Point isnt more than a Rebellion
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Ironically the American officers adored John Andre after he was captured, genuinely respecting his bravery and dash. Many appealed to Washington not to have him executed. Meanwhile the British reviled Arnold, who not only failed to produce the goods but also had no honor.
I love how I come back to this channel just to learn little bits and bobs of history, but now I'm a quillbearer in Ordo Extra Historia... so... yeah. Also, the size of Zoey's eyes when you said shave was just hilarious.
I'm surprised that seeing a hessian jacket made Andre think that they were definitely allies. I'm American and I have ancestors who were hessians that fought in the revolutionary war, they switched sides when the Americans gave them a better offer. I once looked into the history of that and it seemed to me like they were far from the only ones. If a significant number of them switched sides, then it seems unwise to assume that they are allies just from seeing one
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Benedict Arnold's whole story is hard to pick a side on. On one hand, yeah he was treated horribly by the Continental Congress and his countrymen; he was responsible for capturing Fort Ticonderoga, he was the hero of Saratoga, he was inappropriately reprimanded by Washington during his governorship of Philadelphia, but his betrayal was a crime against not only the country but the very spirit of the Revolution.
I'd say that Benedcit Arnold was: 1. too much of an ambitious man 2. and he lived in a time and age when nothing was certain about the future of America
@@rogerman65 He certainly took things way too personally and had far too hot of a temper for the circumstances. George Washington wasn't nearly as gifted a battlefield commander, but his calm personality and ability to see the bigger picture allowed him to ignore insults and grievances, such as with Charles Lee, who, like with Arnold, let his temper get him court-martialed.
Imagine a confederate general had, at personal risk, taken part in a raid that was hardly clear, like Virginia in the war which only joined after Sumter was fired on, and then they realize that the rebels are infighting, depending on possibly dangerous foreign allies, and was unrecognized for their talents by their own side, and then they decided to go back to the government which at least had the most international legitimacy at the time. They would probably be reasonably praised today for abandoning a rebellion at personal risk. The US won with a lot of scars, a catastrophic amount of debt, depended a lot on foreign support for their victory, had alienated a giant fraction of its population who were loyalists all the way through and even more who were neutral, was at risk of a coup from an unpaid army with pathetic leadership in Congress, neither side were free of moral greyness or mass injustices, and dishonoured treaties. Few people at the time in the world thought it was going to be a world superpower like it is today. It would hardly be surprising that someone might feel disillusioned with that and turn to the British, given they were born and spent almost 40 years of their life as a British citizen already.
While I agree that he was treated far worse then he deserved to be, but that doesn't excuse treason. Arnold made the choice to turn against his friends and his home, tried to sell out a crucial fort and killed men even when they had surrendered (Yes you can make the case that he's not alone is doing that) He earned his dishonorable title, and he deserved to rot
The Boot Monument does actually have text, which explicitly does not name the hero it commemorates. Erected 1887 By JOHN WATTS de PEYSTER Brev: Maj: Gen: S.N.Y. 2nd V. Pres't Saratoga Mon't Ass't'n: In memory of the "most brilliant soldier" of the Continental Army who was desperately wounded on this spot the sally port of BURGOYNES GREAT WESTERN REDOUBT 7th October, 1777 winning for his countrymen the decisive battle of the American Revolution and for himself the rank of Major General.
1:30 “probably the highest act of hypocrisy in American history” Robb seems to be unaware of USA’s “defense of democracy” in Latin America during the 20th century
I mean, technically, he was always a traitor, just, he betrayed the other traitors, who then won and ceased being traitors, leaving him as a double traitor and double dumbass.
Please do the Greek war of independence of 1821 against the ottoman empire next I've been asking for this since the first episodes of the sengoku Jidai!!.
As an American who is a right leaning moderate, prior to the presidential immunity ruling I would’ve said he’s being dramatic. However, it was the most blatantly politically biased move the Supreme Court has ever made
How exactly? All the Court said was a president, any president, can't be criminally charged for actions performed within the constitutional duties of the presidency, example the president can't be charged with negligent manslaughter for giving soelders order that got them killed. This decision literally just restated what had been accepted view for virtually the entire history of the Republic.@@Etom.
So fun fact, Benedict Arnold is actually my ancestor. Anyway, I remember watching the History Channel about his betrayal and they made it seem like his betrayal wasn't sealed in until he got the rebuke from Washington, then he went all in. By the way you're talking it seems that he made the decision to betray long before this point. Interesting.
I think the Netflix original TV show "Turn" did a pretty good, if not completely historically accurate job of depicting the spy craft involved in this story. Although the show definitely inflated the relationship between Peggy Shippen and Major John Andre. Still cool to watch, though.
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I hope you make some series of videos about Ferdinand Magellan's journey of circumnavigation after the Benedict Arnold one
“Our good friend Benedict Arnold is our good friend no more”
"And that's too many ouches for Benedict Arnold "
I was too slow 😭😄
Turns out they didn’t like traitors, on top of his unpleasant personality
He liked to kiss.
Oversimplified reference here.
To be too slimy for the East India Company is a genuine accomplishment.
That's... darkly impressive
I agree. Considering the dark history of the company.
I didn’t know that was possible…
EIC wasn't that slimy at that time. They were still somewhat better than governments till 1820s.
It's worth noting that after the war, a lot more Americans felt sorry for Major Andre than there were Brits who felt positively towards Arnold.
That's because NOBODY in Britain, the US, or Canada/British NA (or really anywhere in the world) trusted Arnold. He was just too sus (lol)! I wouldn't be surprised if there people who blamed him for what happened to the spy Major Andre.
Arnold was only useful to GB when helping them beat Americans. Once the war was over, they had no use for him, and (again) absolutely no one wanted anything to do with him.
Imagine getting less sympathy for a person conducting espionage from enemies than you get from your allies
@@imabitmid But Andre was doing his job and had the misfortune of getting caught. Arnold on the other hand was a backstabber; likely literally in New London.
@@SEAZNDragon Doing his job, which involved USING the backstabber to work against his loving enemies. People are just fickle like that; I know many sympathize with a killer like Billy the Kid than Pat Garrett, just for doing his job!
@@derekbates4316
He was doing his duty as a military agent, he served his country which of course meant ensuring that his people suffer the least in the war which means working with a backstabber.
He was simply a soldier working in service of his people.
The treason house was in my hometown (unfortunately it burned down). And as a child my father would take me on a hike with a plaque on the trail marking where Major John Andre got captured. It made learning early American history so much more interesting living where it happened.
Neat! In Florida so all we got is a small confederate graveyard behind a pawn shop. I have never been.
@comrade7324 i mean, we have st augustine,Kennedy space center theres a cool house i used to live by that was the site of a gang shootout with the fbi in the 1930s so theres some cool history here
I can do better. I lived in and later worked for 30 years in the city Arnold was born in.
I want to visit
Wikipedia says it was demolished because it was in disrepair.
Rage quitting and defecting?
Benedict Arnold was born to be a gamer.
Washington to Arnold, "I'm not mad at you. I am disappointed."
OUCH!!
Ouch!!😢
Connor to Washington: You reap what you sow.
@@Niels_Larsen Arnold to Washington: You left me to die on a doomed operation and when I succeeded in it, you only half heartedly give me my credit. I should have defected sooner
Arnold might have gotten a bit more sympathy if he sailed off to Europe with his second wife while flipping double birdies and screaming "f*ck off, I'm with England now!" from the back of the ship. It's the betrayal part that pisses everyone off.
8:51 I heard a story that after Arnold had turned traitor, when he was getting ready to face a battle against American troops, he asked a fellow officer what they would do to him if he was captured.
The officer's supposed response: "They would cut off that leg, bury it with full military honors, and hang the rest of you!"
Close. Arnold was asking that of a captured Patriot Captain and the specific verbiage was : "They would cut off the leg that was wounded at Quebec and Saratoga and bury it with the honours of war, and the rest of you they would hang on a gibbet." Which is cold.
The fact that there's a Boot Monument to him, even without any words, says they weren't that far off. People have more respect for his leg compared to the rest of him. Because let's face it, the hero that Benedict Arnold died when his leg was struck in the minds of the American and even the Canadian people. Even the British, the very people he turned traitor for, don't want anything to do with him because he really didn't want anything to do with their cause, just their money.
@@briansettles3726 thanks for clarifying! 🙂
Ouch
I like how the last series transitioned into this one
agreed
Benedict Arnold. The man who died a hero and lived long enough to be remembered as a villain.
He did not die a hero. He died a dog.
@@napoleonbonaparte6705 The man's been dead for 200 years, give it a rest
@@sensitivedesensitivity7349a dog dead for 200 years is still merely a dog
Benedict Arnold, "It's treason then."
The entire United States was created from treason.
I never realized till this how much of Felix Gaeta's story in Battlestar Galactica mirrors Arnold's.
They knew what they were doing.
This was so tense in Liberty's Kids. They had made sure to include Andre often enough before then that you'd immediately remember him when he entered the scheme. And even though he was a British Major and helping Arnold defect and betray his country, the show had also made it VERY clear on multiple occasions what happened to spies and traitors; so you can't help feeling absolutely terrified when Andre is caught with the papers, or the sinking feeling in your stomach when everyone pieces together what it means. Arnold appears later on.... Andre disappears.... :/
Also, the show keeps the American soldier with the Hessian jacket. I had never thought much about it, but I love that they included it!
Honestly, it's surprising how much of Liberty's Kids is actually accurate. I mean, there is definitely fictionalization and sugar coating, but there's a lot more historical fact to the series than most might believe.
For example, General Lee bringing his dogs with him everywhere? Yeah, that's true.
@@alyssaagnew4147 oh god, no! The episode always grinds our beans so bad!
"Treason Hill"
Damn, the Americans are so salty over this betrayal, that even the hill catches strays.
If you think that’s bad one of the towns he raided has a festival where they hang and burn a doll of Arnold
First constantly betray one of their national heroes that sacrificed literally everything for them, just to be surprised when he betrays them back.
Peak American arrogance
@@agecom6071 if you’re gonna expect us to respect a man that not only betrayed his country but also slaughtered civilians who were his own people then all I’m going to say is there is a reason the British also despised Arnold
@@agecom6071I mean, yeah he got d!cked over by congress a bit. But it’s not like he wasn’t still highly popular. He was literally the commander of a vital fort (the future site of the US military academy) and had the trust and backing of Washington. Had he not stabbed Georgie in the back, man would have been remembered in the same vein as John Paul Jones and would probably have his own crypt at West Point. Instead, he did what he did
“I wish it had been my heart,” - what Arnold told an officer after being wounded at the battle of Saratoga.
In some ways we were very unfair to Arnold. But, Arnold’s ego, lack of patience, and chip on his shoulder made himself his own worst enemy.
Had he waited a few years, he would have seen Gates get his just desserts at Camden and that could have been the moment where he could have revealed that his strategy was precipitated the victory at Saratoga.
Even if he hadn't, just not working with the British would have saved him. He was cleared of all charges, the two left were probably more saving face, and given command of West Point. Even back then, that was a good position and his vindication would have come. Heck after the war he would likely be respected for his actions towards loyalists by both sides.
@@barryfraser831 I think if Washington just flat out told him what was going on in the political atmosphere. Arnold would have found a way to “play along.”
@@Pat4President1 I think Washington did.
But congress pulled up stuff from 5 whole years before, where they not only didn’t pay Arnold back, but Joseph Reed fined him 1000 pounds.
That’s a hard pill for anyone to swallow.
@@danielboggan2479 not to my knowledge. Why would Arnold betray the US if he knew what was at stake?
A ton of Arnold's grievances were legitimist. Not excusing what he did but had congress been slightly less dysfunctional, it is likely Arnold would never have turned.
Thanks for not throwing Peggy under the bus...when i hear the tale, Peggy gets the lion's share of the blame for being young and extravagant and wanting to continue living the good life that she loved and had up until the war started in earnest. B Arnold wanted the praise and the raise, and didn't realize that everyone had a beef with Congress. Arnold was responsible for his own misdeeds and his claims that he did it for live are greatly exaggerated.
It gets better. Arnold was attracted to Peggy in the first place because she was educated and politically informed. Peggy and Arnold genuinely loved each other, they had seven kids together (five lived to maturity), she followed him to Canada after the war and then back to England, and after he died she personally managed his finances to pay off his debts. For the last three years of her life after Arnold's death, Peggy was willing to put up with considerably less comfort. Actually a strong, stoic woman.
The ending statement was gold. "General Benedict Arnold died heroically at Saratoga, but with his death, Arnold the Traitor was born." Great writing.
PLEASE do the English Civil Wars with Oliver Cromwell, and King Charles I. It's such a a great story of history that doesn't get enough spot light, when England became a Republic, Charles I lost his head, nearly 200 years before the French stole the idea, and the "Revolutionaries" were technically the bad guys!! What a Twist!!
The statement is a great description of what happened. As well as how this is a story of a villain/traitor killing a hero, despite them both being the same person.
The closest character to Benedict Arnold in Latin America probably was Pedro Santana, a hero of the Dominican War of Independence against Haiti (1844-1856) that later agreed into returning the Dominican Republic to Spain as a protectorate, sparkling a second independence war between 1863 and 1865.
Today Pedro Santana is buried in the National Pantheon in Santo Domingo, alongside other historical figures of Dominican Republic, including former rivals.
Venezuela also has Juan José Flores, though his actions also affected Ecuador.
"But the thing about betrayal is that it never comes from your enemies"-Lawkeeper Equity Mlp Ace Attorney
Ah, someone else who enjoys elements of justice.
@@mew4ever23 yes mate I do
0:31 Dang, Arnold cucked Andre and Andre made Arnold into America's most hated traitor. Revenge, like gazpacho soup, is a dish best served cold, precise, and merciless.
Merciless Gazpacho 🤣
@@timmccarthy9917 Arnold’s wife was found clutching a strand of Andre’s hair the day she died.
Yeah, yeah, you can never have enough precision in your soup.
@@danielboggan2479 I'm surprised that she never married Andre. His life would have probably looked different. But he got quite the terrifying death.
@@Maria_Miciano_5. It’s believed that she wanted too but Andre didn’t have enough money to please her family
I still love the Turn Washington's Spies story even if embellished or edited it is really fun
"And that's too many ouches for Benedict Arnold "
Benedict Arnold is a reminder to all
Americans to how the revolution was not something all embraced, but a gamble by a dedicated core who over came the British through skill, and most importantly, luck.
The officer who was part of Washington's spy ring that heard about Andre's capture and found the incriminating documents at 5:45 was Major Benjamin Tallmadge. He ran Washington's Culper Ring in New York. Alexander Rose wrote a great book about it called Washington's Spies and they based a show on the book called Turn: Washington's Spies.
You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
I know that line is from a movie, but I can’t help but feel it somehow applies to this story given everything that’s been said.
That line was referring to Julius Caesar, but yes it’s applicable here as well.
1:38 Y-You good, Matt? Do you want to... talk about it?
Yes he does, catch Extra politics on their Twitch channel on Wednesdays.
The entire country wants to talk about it...
Yyyyyeah...Put it this way, Supreme Court done GOOFED for good this year regarding "Presidential immunity"
I think this is the first time in all my viewing of Extra History that they have commented on modern day politics. Had me going back to make sure I wasn't seeing things.
“Our good friend Benedict Arnold, was good friend no more”
9:06 is when i fell out of my chair and hit my head from the live action mark jumpscare
Lol
Seeing what happened to Andre in Turn was one of the saddest scenes in TV history.
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The animation got super detailed during the shaving commercials at the end. Matt looked super realistic this episode
2:34 - An American tradition, for everyone!
"IMPRUDENT & IMPROPER"
Arnold:😢
Between his stepkids, grandkids, nieces and nephews, and the Continental Army, it’s astounding how many children George Washington actually parented.
Wasn't George Washington childless?
@@rogerman65
Indeed he was. All living relatives are descendants of George Washington's younger brothers. At least according to Wikipedia. He helped to parent both stepkids and stepgrandkids, though. So it depends on how you define childless, I suppose.
Man, Tall really didn’t even bother to name drop Ben Tallmadge? Come on. One of the most important Americans in the war and he’s almost entirely unknown
He’s the one who caught Andre for everyone who’s not heard of him, a cavalry officer, head of George Washingtons security, head of intelligence and spies for the continental army.
I mean, the simple fact he's the head of spies is WHY he's unknown I'd assume, so I'd say Tallmadge did a pretty amazing job
@@zacharyperlee4179 he did.
He only talked about the fact he ran spies one time after the war, And it was to testify that some men were thieves who found out information while committing a robbery, and not working for Washington like they claimed( trying to get a bounty.)
Tallmadge is recognized in Ohio--the town of Tallmadge, Ohio is named after Benjamin Tallmadge. Additionally, the Ohio counties of Williams, Van Wert and Paulding are named after the 3 men who captured Andre.
He had an entire AMC series based loosely on his escapades, I wouldn't really call him "almost entirely unknown"...
Reminds me of that episode from the show Liberty’s Kids.
oh my god i forgot about that show
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Always remember, the unappreciated will remember everything and when the time comes they won't hesitate to forsake those who didn't care about them.
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I enjoyed the way this series of events was depicted in "Turn: Washington's Spies." Also, one of my ancestors was among the men who fired cannons at the HMS Vulture, screwing up John Andre's evac and resulting in his capture.
Used to get detention in school for calling someone “sus” now it’s just everywhere 😂
I love how you are talking about Canada's history foreigners don't understand how bad and bloody yet very interesting history we have btw the theme song is so good it hits so hard
I feel like it's unfair to not give Arnold credit for his contributions to the Revolution (which were by no means minor), even given his ignoble end.
Besides, wasn't the lack of recognition that drove him to treason to begin with?
That kind of introspection doesn't seem prominent amongst American leadership.
@@twistedtachyon5877 back then or in general?
That’s a fair argument, though Benedict also had the chip on his shoulder which didn’t help matters.
Thank you so much for this history! In Europe we don't learn USA's past in such details, so it is always interesting for me! Great job!
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Our good friend Benedict Arnold, is our good friend no more
"Benedict Arnold"
"Never heard of him"
"Ouch"
"And that was too many 'ouches' for Benedict Arnold to endure."
"And that is saying something in the YEAR TWENTY TWENTY FOUR!" Shots (rightfully) fired!
As a traitor to the Continental Army myself, Arnold's story is very inspiring
Our good friend Arnold is our friend no more
Always cool to see one of my historical faves get the Extra History treatment--even the problematic ones.
Benedict Arnold is the story of how if you don't give your heroes credit, they become your villains.
I can completly understand Arnold, I would argue America betrait him First. Its also hart to betray a country that at that Point isnt more than a Rebellion
Plus he freed slaves, so he wasn't all bad.
having this on while showering and struggling with a shitty gillette razor made the shaving ad far more compelling. i know you can't make people be shaving while they listen to your ad reads, but i will say it is rather effective
Man, "Turn" was such a good show.
This was a fascinating episode
Ironically the American officers adored John Andre after he was captured, genuinely respecting his bravery and dash. Many appealed to Washington not to have him executed. Meanwhile the British reviled Arnold, who not only failed to produce the goods but also had no honor.
I love how I come back to this channel just to learn little bits and bobs of history, but now I'm a quillbearer in Ordo Extra Historia... so... yeah.
Also, the size of Zoey's eyes when you said shave was just hilarious.
I'm surprised that seeing a hessian jacket made Andre think that they were definitely allies. I'm American and I have ancestors who were hessians that fought in the revolutionary war, they switched sides when the Americans gave them a better offer. I once looked into the history of that and it seemed to me like they were far from the only ones. If a significant number of them switched sides, then it seems unwise to assume that they are allies just from seeing one
I got ur calendar!!!✨ I got it the last day it was available, my dad was driving me to my school as I ordered it, I bought it 5 minutes before it was gone!!!!!!... Lol
Omg! Thank you so much for the support, we can't wait to get it out to the public!
pause everything, NEW EXTRA HISTORY EPISODE
That little dig at 1:40 was subtle, but I appreciate it. Well done as always guys!
2:48 and that was one too many ouchies for our good friend Benedict Arnold.
A Really good chapter indeed.
After this series would you guys be able to make a series about Louis Riel? It would be nice to see some Canadian history, if so thank you.
Benedict Arnold's whole story is hard to pick a side on. On one hand, yeah he was treated horribly by the Continental Congress and his countrymen; he was responsible for capturing Fort Ticonderoga, he was the hero of Saratoga, he was inappropriately reprimanded by Washington during his governorship of Philadelphia, but his betrayal was a crime against not only the country but the very spirit of the Revolution.
I'd say that Benedcit Arnold was:
1. too much of an ambitious man
2. and he lived in a time and age when nothing was certain about the future of America
@@rogerman65 He certainly took things way too personally and had far too hot of a temper for the circumstances.
George Washington wasn't nearly as gifted a battlefield commander, but his calm personality and ability to see the bigger picture allowed him to ignore insults and grievances, such as with Charles Lee, who, like with Arnold, let his temper get him court-martialed.
Imagine a confederate general had, at personal risk, taken part in a raid that was hardly clear, like Virginia in the war which only joined after Sumter was fired on, and then they realize that the rebels are infighting, depending on possibly dangerous foreign allies, and was unrecognized for their talents by their own side, and then they decided to go back to the government which at least had the most international legitimacy at the time. They would probably be reasonably praised today for abandoning a rebellion at personal risk.
The US won with a lot of scars, a catastrophic amount of debt, depended a lot on foreign support for their victory, had alienated a giant fraction of its population who were loyalists all the way through and even more who were neutral, was at risk of a coup from an unpaid army with pathetic leadership in Congress, neither side were free of moral greyness or mass injustices, and dishonoured treaties. Few people at the time in the world thought it was going to be a world superpower like it is today. It would hardly be surprising that someone might feel disillusioned with that and turn to the British, given they were born and spent almost 40 years of their life as a British citizen already.
While I agree that he was treated far worse then he deserved to be, but that doesn't excuse treason.
Arnold made the choice to turn against his friends and his home, tried to sell out a crucial fort and killed men even when they had surrendered (Yes you can make the case that he's not alone is doing that)
He earned his dishonorable title, and he deserved to rot
@@connorhilchie2779 Isn't that what the patriots were doing too? Starting what was in reality a civil war? Ben Franklin's son was a loyalist.
The Boot Monument does actually have text, which explicitly does not name the hero it commemorates.
Erected 1887 By
JOHN WATTS de PEYSTER
Brev: Maj: Gen: S.N.Y.
2nd V. Pres't Saratoga Mon't Ass't'n:
In memory of
the "most brilliant soldier" of the
Continental Army
who was desperately wounded
on this spot the sally port of
BURGOYNES GREAT WESTERN REDOUBT
7th October, 1777
winning for his countrymen
the decisive battle of the
American Revolution
and for himself the rank of
Major General.
3:43 I grew up right above that red arrow. Ahh pride in my birthplace
Thank you for the video.
You got me out of a test when my SS teacher played one of ur vids and then liked it so much we watched like 5 more lol
Always look forward to these videos guys! The animation and narration are second to none🫡🫡🫡🫡
1:30 “probably the highest act of hypocrisy in American history” Robb seems to be unaware of USA’s “defense of democracy” in Latin America during the 20th century
Cool video!
I love this channel ❤️ 💕
3:46 Nice touch with the leg! Extra History has yet to lose its touch!
2:48
And that was too many ouches for our good friend Benedict Arnold
I mean, technically, he was always a traitor, just, he betrayed the other traitors, who then won and ceased being traitors, leaving him as a double traitor and double dumbass.
Please do the Greek war of independence of 1821 against the ottoman empire next
I've been asking for this since the first episodes of the sengoku Jidai!!.
Patreon bro
@@joshuafrimpong244 Who
Best birthday gift ever!
1:38 - Ohohoho, you think "your" supreme court is bad? As a Brazilian I must say you're adorable...
As an American who is a right leaning moderate, prior to the presidential immunity ruling I would’ve said he’s being dramatic. However, it was the most blatantly politically biased move the Supreme Court has ever made
How exactly? All the Court said was a president, any president, can't be criminally charged for actions performed within the constitutional duties of the presidency, example the president can't be charged with negligent manslaughter for giving soelders order that got them killed. This decision literally just restated what had been accepted view for virtually the entire history of the Republic.@@Etom.
@@Etom.If you're going to bitch about kingmakers, I'd suggest you start with the DNC. After all, who voted for Kamala for their candidate?
@Prich319, the party made the move and money talks with the speed of the change. The Dnc is not making remarks to promote facism
love it!
You should make an episode on Michele collins
Please make a video about the culper spy ring
I hope he does a series about the Philippine - American War
So fun fact, Benedict Arnold is actually my ancestor. Anyway, I remember watching the History Channel about his betrayal and they made it seem like his betrayal wasn't sealed in until he got the rebuke from Washington, then he went all in. By the way you're talking it seems that he made the decision to betray long before this point. Interesting.
YOUR A TRAITOR RAHHHH
I think the Netflix original TV show "Turn" did a pretty good, if not completely historically accurate job of depicting the spy craft involved in this story. Although the show definitely inflated the relationship between Peggy Shippen and Major John Andre. Still cool to watch, though.
I love your videos
We Stan Peggy’s polycule!!
I don’t know how true it is, but Turn: Washington’s spies is a fun series
Honestly it's slightly similar to Darth Vader's "hero to villain parable" type of thing.
You guys have gotta check out Guts and Blackpowder rahhh
PANR has tuned in.
How is it people have more respect for your leg then they do the rest of you, Arnold?
Nathan Hale needs a video from you guys!
Calendar = marked. Hard work pays off to be an early bird! :D
6: 26 General Washington, sir...HE'S BEHIND YOU!!!
If not for this fine man, we would not have our favorite treat at Brunch, Eggs Benedict
If you're ever in Ogden, Utah, try the 'Benedict Arnold'': eggs Benedict swimming in hollandaise sauce.