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My grandpas brother use to be a Red Army soldier once. In 1942 in the frontlines of the Belarus he have been lost. After that my grandpa was sent to the frontline, and fought for Caucasus, then got injured in Maikop in 1943. Then in 1944, when Red Army soilders reached the Warsaw, they found the body of my grandpas brother laying on the street, he wore in the Weirmacht uniform and was fighting in 1/111 "Donmez" batallion of Azerbaijani Legion against soviets. When my grandpa heard this news in the Mahackala hospital, he felt anger and pain, but there was nothing to do... my grandpa died in 1971, because of sepsis. This story he told to my dad, and my dad told it to me. I think, it's awful to face purge from your goverment or be excecuted by the enemy, but much worse is, to fight against your brother...
the nazis were such dogmatic morons that they couldn't even exploit hatred for the stalin regime when handed to them on a silver platter. they showed their true weakness when they didn't uphold the geneva convention for russian soldiers (even if that went both ways) instead allowing millions to starve in captivity, they could have supported the POA and manpower would be handed to them on a silver platter but they essentially worked against free manpower. offcourse that is exactly what made them bad to begin with, if they had been less dogmatic they wouldn't even have gone to war or at least not in that way
The russian revolution and civil war ended some 18 years prior Operation Barbarossa. So for many people that sided with the white army or other national factions that had to live under soviet rule the german invasion was seen as the chance for a course-correcture.
@@flakka1685or his inability to put ideology aside for strategic value. There were people who welcomed the Germans as liberators from the brutal tyranny of Stalin and his Bolsheviks. Particularly nationalities like the Ukrainians. And yet, Hitler not only allowed, he ordered his troops to act with the outmost brutality and refused to allow 700,000 Russian volunteers to fight on the German side. These acts further solidified Stalin's grip on his people 😢 So when the Germans laid siege to Leningrad, the Soviets weren't willing to even hear of surrender
Big problem for the Germans is that the vast majority of White Army generals and leaders in exile condemned Barbarossa and refused any and all collaboration with Germans. They initially wanted Karbyshev- an Imperial Russian officer, to lead the collaborationist formation. But Karbyshev hated German racial politics and was obviously opposed to genocidal and expansionist Third Reich plans for USSR, so he was frozen alive by Germans. And instead, they took Vlasov. A crooked opportunist who used to be a hardcore communist. They never fully trusted Vlasov and there were correct in that, considering he did switch sides by helping Czech communists in Prague.
IIRC some collaborators were even White Army veterans and émigrés who saw this as a second chance against the Reds An entire unit was even formed, having over 4000 men called the "Russian National People's Army" or the "RNNA", primarily led by émigrés who had ties with an American-based Russian fascist Anastasy Vonsiatsky
@@olegshtolc7245 many People though that Khrushchevs anti-stalin policies were anti-Georgian policies thats why there were major protests in major cities, it evantualy turned into independent protests and kicked started Georgian independence movemant leaded by Zviad gamsakhurdia and Merab kostava
@@giorgijioshvili9713 sorry, but yeah, he was Georgian, and being Georgian did not stop him with his neighbourhood buddy lavrenti beria from brutally punishing and murdering his own people. That doesnt mean all Georgians are like stalin or like stalin. The same applies for Germany, germans and the chap with the funny mustache
I feel like it’s still important to note that when it came to the partisan war, the vast majority of Soviet civilians, at least ethically Russian ones and many Belarusians & Ukrainians as well, willingly supported the partisans because most of them identified way more with their own countrymen than their occupiers, most of whom didn’t care for their wellbeing and in many cases were actively trying to exterminate them.
Belarus was particularly notable as the local partisans were very well organized and controlled roughly 60% of the country (mostly rural areas and wilderness) by 1943.
That is true, although I'd imagine that was one of the toughest calls to make. Being starved to death on your own land by some dictator's crazed command economy fantasy must've been only very, VERY slightly preferable to getting evicted and exterminated for another dictator's genocidal colonial fantasy.
True. Also the Germans were openly terrible towards slavs, whereas the Soviets had much more propaganda and suppression of information, so that the locals still do not know how bad their own regime was towards them to this day.
@@RacelKatyusha And I hope the history will remember him so. Stalin dasn't deseve to be part of Georgian nation, they are good people and Stalin is giving them a bad name.
Soviet collaborators get extremely overhyped, but germans that switched sides and helped soviets get overlooked. Convenient isn't it? Guys like Fritz Schmenkel for example, that defected to partisans and fought with them. Or that same Paulus, who joined "national committee for free germany" and lived the rest of his life in GDR. Not even saying that locals from liberated territories would have their own national corps formed, like the polish people's army led by Zygmunt Berling. Why no one talks about them? Oh right, these just show that commies are not bloody fanatics that kill everyone for fun so people go against them every moment they have a chance lmao.
Because,you know, the red menace!!!! Stalin ate millions of ukrainen children!!!!! USA simply uses communism as a boogie man to justify spreading american influence in entire world. And showing communist as humans goes against their agenda.
Ну да как бы существовал комитет "Свободная Германия" , там из нацистов создали коммунистов еще более коммунистов чем были в СССР, они искренне верили в идею и делали все для этого и очень болезненно восприняли предательство Горбачева
My Great Uncle was a Soviet Soldier who fought in Stalingrad he was captured twice and he escaped capture twice. Ultimately he ended up fighting in Berlin as well and agreed the war lived on to his 80s.
Meanwhile I also have a distant cousin who willingly joined the Nazis after the Nazis invaded... he didn't live long after the war and following liberation many collaborators like him were murdered in reprisals by their victims
Probably trying to liberate his homeland from Stalinist oppression? There is no moral high ground here, both the Soviets and axis did horrendous things,
@@RomanHistoryFan476ADTbf in those villages their practically the same, with hindsight we know the Germans would’ve annihilated everyone, but at that time German civilian policies were largely not implemented
Also, it's so ironic that Hitler refers to other races as subhuman when the Germans were originally known as babarians during the age of the Roman Empire
@@capncake8837 Right, before the German unification in the 1880s. Such German states in the south such as Bavaria , Baden-Wurttenburg and so on. Had that view of the Prussians.
Funny enough when Himmler went on an obsession of archaeology find to prove German superiority in the ancient past, it anger Hitler and mocked Himmler for only prove that the German were a bunch of Barbarians living in huts while the Roman and Greek lived in marble mansions, so in a way Hitler self aware about German past.
Ever heard of co-belligerents? People and countries don’t just swap sides likes that. The Germans were highly untrustworthy of the Ukrainians and Russians that would join their ranks and fight with them. Same with the Allies, still treating the Italian republic as an axis nation and punishing as such at the end of the war.
I have been wanting for a video like this, since we all saw the soldiers who were captured by East and West even those deserted, and those put on trial, thank you armchair historian, you keep and made history sacred
The amount of people showing support to Nazi collaborators are insane. Sure the Soviets treated their subjects badly, but the Nazis planned for a literal ethnic cleansing that would make the Holocaust forgettable. Also, its not like these collaborators didn't commit numerous atrocities against their own people.
Now Vlasov is heroised by some "Nazis" who claim he was fighting against Stalinism (being one of the favourites of him due to his ordinary origin and being an advisor of Chiang Kai-shek in Pekin in 1930-s). He was "lucky enough" to be the defender of Moscow, (despite his absence in a hospital during that, and his HQ representative - colonel Sandalov created the real operation by the time of his "arrival", as he said, he "frozen his ear"). And he also had two wives - one a legal Tatiana (if I'm not mistaken) and a son, a mistress Agnessa Podmazenkso and later after the betrayal - a new wife of the former SS-man to save himself. He knew perfectly during the betrayal he was breaking their lives, as they would be arrested and imprisoned as "the relatives of the people's enemy" - as they even unwillingly had the connection with him. So when he got arrested by Nazis his dying 2nd Army fought feriously in encirclement in Leningrad, but he sold all of them - the location, the equipment, the numbers of the soldiers , tanks and technics, he used to be twicely greeted by Stalin before and was proud of it - he became a vile "anti-communist" and an "anti-Stalinist" in captivity, while meeting Himmler the latest said: "We told to this Russian: after the war you'll receive the general-lieutenant's pension, and for now - here're for you are schnapps, money and women - he sold us everything he knew immediately: that's the way how cheap you can get such "a general". When he left behind his own army trying to run to Americans, being captured by the Soviet intelligence officers, among numerous documents from Nazis that's he's a general, his approvement to make RLA ("ROA" - "Russkaya Osvobodytelnaya Armya" - the "Russian liberation army", or Vlasovites, (Vlasovtsy)), he had a bunch of dollars, a note to American and British Embassy for covering his person - here's the "hero" of all the traitors who fought bravely and courageously against the system, but not the people - that's different 😂. Now the Czech leader wants to establish a monument to him. One can be funny, if it wasn't so sad.
Are you Norwegian? "Ost" just means "East" in German and "Legionen" means "Legions". I know that because I myself am German. It is interesting to see that our languages have such differences, even though they have the same roots!
@@pennyjoker8999 Ja, ich komt aus Norwegen. Ich weiss was das bedeutet, ich spreche etwas Deutsch, aber es ist trotzdem lutzig 😃 "Ost" auf Deutsch ist "øst" auf Norwegisch (Ø is pronounced like the u in English "burn"). -en as a suffix marks it as being in definite form. Since the word is male, the plural is -er, and the definitive plural is -ene (legion = legion, legioner = legions, legionen = the legion, legionene = the legions) Other words in German or Dutch can become funny because of this. I once saw a small notice in a window of a shop in the Netherlands, it started with "BESTE MENSEN!". In Dutch this means "Best people!", or an English speaker would say "Good people!" or "Good folk!" as an introduction. In Norwegian, it means "(This is) The best menstruation!" So it looked like they were really happy about that months results and wanted to announce it 😄
Yet tragically that’s how it was for many during the Nazi occupation of the many countries under the regimes rule not to mention the horrific acts committed by their own countrymen who collaborated with the regime it literally tore families apart but yet what little choice did they have it was either that or face starvation
Yep, lets pity those who exterminated Slavic population. Among Jewish, Gypsy and others. Who made "dirty work" as "sub-humans" and gained benefits from their new owners.
Woah. This might be one of your best videos yet! Really love it when these short documentaries choose to shed more light into the deep moral conundrums and loyalty dilemmas people find themselves in when war arrives at their doorstep. Perhaps it would be interesting to make a video, in the same vein, about the natives who sided with colonial authorities during the independence conflicts that bled through Africa during the 50's-70's. Can't say I know much about the French or the English, but the Portuguese case would be an interesting one, that's still controversial: Portugal made use of thousands of their colonized, their collaboration being a key reason for the war lasting as long as it did, and some of these collaborators performed EXTREMELLY WELL; the most decorated militaryman in Portugal's history is Marcelino da Mata, a Black man from Guinea-Bissau (he died 3 years ago). However, when the war ended and the time came for the colonies to be granted independence, Portuguese citizenship and a new home in the country they had fought for was refused to the majority of these native troops, who would end up either executed by their new governments or live the following decades in civil wars, a stain in the recent post-dictatorship history of the country that, unfortunately, doesn't get addressed at all (you could change that, ahah ,😉).
Man thank you for your videos. May you like to upload a video about the Russian Civil War? This one is a war that has very few good videos on it and you guys are definitely the best to do a great one 😎👍
@@gnas1897 True, but we can't forget the many people who fought for the third reich for many reasons, be that ideological or revenge against Stalin or pure opportunistic and self serving, whatever their reasons. There was thousands of Slavic soldiers who fought for the Axis powers. And are apart of history, no matter how ugly and uncomfortable that truth may be. Every war has it's traitors.
bruh Europe has literally been at war since beginning of time ............. theyve never really had a break until after ww2.........pre ww1 there was the franco prussian war napoleon wars etc.....
@@concept5631 I can assure you that for a person in Eastern Europe, Africa, or even China, the post-WWII years were vastly worse than the preceding twenty.
@@hilairebelloc3368 I mean for china that's debateable, I'd say it's just as bad to be shot by a japanese soldier as it is to get shot by a soldier from your own country
I think it's more like certain Slavs. Like East-Slavs Hitler suspected of being mixed Mongol-Russians and such. But it always changed depending on what he needed for sure. He also had a very diverse set of people in the SS. There's a rumor Hitler wanted to sterilise himself as he didn't see himself as 'Aryan' but i don't see any evidence it would be any more than a rumor. Apparently he didn't see quarter Jews (or less than quarter, can't remember)as people to be eradicated since he probably thought in his lifetime those people will assimilate to the main population and their genes will mostly disappear. (since that's a possibility, happens all the time called the founder-effect) Others maybe didn't see another choice or some might have been nihilists, people like Dirlewanger aren't exclusive to Germans.
@@creely123 You hear guys? The Nazis were fine with Slavs! They didn't have any problems with them! None whatsoever! They certainly didn't take Slavs into the military purely out of necessity! Nope! The Nazis would never discriminate against Slavs! They definitely did not have any ulterior motives! They were very inclusive!
Может они расскажут сколько французов, бельгийцев, чехов, словаков, венгров, хорватов, боснийцев, болгарцев, македонцев, румын, датчан, финнов, норвежцев, англичан, поляков, литовцев, эстонцев, латышей, голландцев, перешло на сторону германии во время второй мировой? Правда перед многими из вышеперечисленных даже не стояло выбора перейти на сторону рейха или умереть, в любом случае это общая победа, но затемнять плохие стороны остальных стран и показывать с плохой стороны лишь определённые, очень мерзко и раболепно.
Недоощененный комментарий. Очень удручает то, что люди действительно все еще верят в антисоветские байки времён холодной войны, из-за чего в этом хаосе лжи теряются судьбы реальных людей, которые действительно могли пострадать при советской власти (необязательно намеренно).
Just friendly reminder to all who cry about "tried liberate Russia from commies". Half of them was punishers who slaughtered civilians and resistance. Not just in USSR, but in Poland, France, Czechoslovakia etc Just ask any human in Poland about Kaminski and his dogs. Despite Kaminski was killed by germans (even for them he was a cruel dick, lol) his men became a part of Russian Liberation Army....
im listening to a german tank commanders memoirs atm and he recalled one story of his gunner their tank had been in repair and the crew had nothing to do so the gunner volounteered to be the gunner on a mechanized vehicle which had to drive some place further away he said on a crossroads there suddently was german soldiers that told them that the direction they wanted to go was unpassable as there was a minefield now the gunner thought to himself that that was pretty odd to mine one of the key roads in the area even though they were far behind the frontline then the second machinegunner from behind came forward and said hey man, those guys are wearing the same Divisional collar taps as my friend hans But hans was captured in stalingrad 1943......! Without thinking the gunner swung his machinegun around screamed "its a trap!" then the soldiers raised their rifles and he knew for sure he cut one in half with his machine gun and killed the other 4 aswell those men were part of this same group, Komitee freies deutschland they called themselves
"To demonstrate my power of teleportation, I teleported each half of my body to different places; one going to Moscow, the other to Berlin." - Man in thumbnail, perhaps
"I think with horror and shame of a Europe divided in two parts by the line of the (river) Bug, on one side of which millions of Soviet slaves prayed for liberation by the armies of Hitler, while on the other millions of victims of German concentration camps awaited deliverance by the Red Army as their last hope." - "A World Apart" by Gustaw Herling-Grudziński
The Eastern Front was truly a grimdark war. Either you fight for one, murderous asshole or another murderous asshole who took up the offer to work with the Allies when the other murderous asshole he worked with to butcher Poland comes for him.
Out of all the workers from the world, soviet citizens were the only ones that cant be considered slaves, because capitalism didnt enslave them and the workers, thanks to socialism, stood up for themselves
I watched a documentary on WWII and watched footage of Soviet citizens welcoming Nazi German troops into their town and watched statues of Joseph Stalin being torn down.
The BBC's documentary The World at War. The episode called Barbarossa shows that footage. German tanks would roll into towns and villages. And the people in the town would be throwing flowers at them. Some villages even offered German officers bread and salt in welcoming them.
I read a book from a German officer who worked with Osttruppen and was an aid to Gen. Vlasov and he said that they could have made a real difference in the war against the USSR. The ethnic minorities that looked on the Germans as liberators and Anti-Stalinist Russians could have been an even more formable force for Germany if they were given better treatment and pledges of political autonomy. But he concludes that would have never happened for it was not a German army that invaded the Soviet Union but a Nazi one and all Slavs were untermenschlich even those on their side.
The "untermenschlich" was also Hitler ideological excuse to order generals not bother with these volunteers. Hitler and German High Command knew they already had more than enough under-equipped allies in form of Romanians, Hungarians, and Italians and more. They had hundreds of thousand men but comparative little effective heavy weaponry like AT guns to properly fight against Soviet armies. What Hitler didn't need was another extra hundred thousands of dubious Russian volunteers that further diverting what little weapons Germans could spare, these weapons would better off going to actual Axis allies covering their flanks. Not to mention the German plan in invasion of Russia include the seizing the food and other essential materials back to Germany - the German leadership never had any plan or desire to sustain such large number of civilians there, hence the population reduction policies. The fact that Germany's economy required such policies to continue the war meant keeping the Russians on their good side were impractical as best, so why bother?
What happened in Volhynia is what I call the European Rwanda. Polish youtuber Arkadiusz Olszewski made a great animated documentary on what happened there in 1943.
Thanks for the info. This incident was practically forgotten in the West because Ukrainian nationalism was never seen as important in the Anglo-West after the end of the war. Much of the reminder on Volhynia came as a backlash after the not-very-clever MSM tried to remake the Ukrainian Azov Bandera Maidan ultras as a bunch of freedom-loving civic liberal democrats.🙄🙄 A reason why Orban was skeptical of Ukrainians was that during the Cold War, a sizable number of Soviet troops in the Soviet bloc were Ukrainians and they were practically indistinguishable from Russians.
@@tkm238-d4r Orban doesnt understand that ethnic Ukrainian soldiers were in Hungary because Ukrainian lands were occupied and because of this Ukrainians were forced to serve in the Soviet army. Hungarians in the conditions of the socialist sphere at least had their own formally sovereign state, while Ukrainians were completely governed from Moscow. Ukrainian nationalism is strongly criticized in the West, there is no need to create illusions. Especially among left-leaning people who are generally against any nationalism for ethnic Europeans. Moreover, there is even a tendency to attack Ukrainian nationalism more strongly than Russian nationalism.
@@xxvxxv5588 Not sure what you meant by Ukrainian lands being occupied since the concept of Ukraine was historically vague and more of a geographical expression. After 1240, it was possible that a separate Ukrainian state outside of Kiev-Muscovy could have emerged. However the expansion of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania ended that possibility. Subsequently, events from 1654 to 1795 simply shifted the Dnestr-Dnieper zone from Warsaw-Vilnius to Moscow-St Petersburg. Meanwhile the future Bandera-land went from Warsaw to Vienna. The Hungarians understood history very well. At least the Kingdom of Hungary sort of existed for a long time before WW1. A distinct administrative Ukraine did not exist until the formation of Ukraine SSR. This was always the weakness of Bandera-ism, projecting the viewpoint of a marginal region across the whole landmass.
Ostlegionen ("eastern legions"), Ost-Bataillone ("eastern battalions"), Osttruppen ("eastern troops"), and Osteinheiten ("eastern units") were units in the Army of Nazi Germany during World War II made up of personnel from the Soviet Union.[1] They were a large part of the Wehrmacht foreign volunteers and conscripts.
Like that one gulag journal entry said..” starved corpses are light, you can carry two”..and it had a drawing of a babushka carrying two starved body’s..I gotta find that diary and send it to some museum or something.
@@TheHaydena76 people lie about what they hate the most, most don't even know what democracy is, or most importantly what communism/socialism is, and they wonder why people they call "Idiots" still become communist or socialist even when they were told countless times that "it is evil dictator and all dies and starve!!!" just straight up hate the thing because your goverment and old hags said so.. i recommand reading all books related to communism, socialism, capitalism, anarchism, basically every related to politics to understand before hating, because even most today politicians don't know what the word "Democracy" and "Freedom" means as it already lost it's meaning Money all the way Money is the god Praise money Or else be left out That is the only truth, gods can be forgotten for money, the true god
One of those Soviet citizens who collaborated with the Germans was Yaroslav Hunka - a Ukrainian who served in the Galicia Division of the SS during WW2 and later escaped to the West after the war and eventually ended up in Canada where he would find himself receiving two standing ovations in the Canadian parliament in 2023 during a visit by Ukrainian President Zelenskyy…
you can judge anyone and you can`t even imagine what soviets did to Ukraine, massive famines, purges, removal of private property as a form, even if you will starve to death its not the germans who attracted ukrainians, its hatred towards soviets
For me the ordinary Soviet people had it worse on WW2, not only invaded by the Axis and suffering their countless atrocities, but also uncared for by the NKVD and Stavka as just mere numbers in the system, is really saddening
>Ignoring the Commies and their countless atrocities They were not just "uncared for" that's like claiming the Yathzees treated the jews "uncaringly" as the majority of that inflated number claimed since 1934 starved
While it by no means justifies their collaboration with the Nazis or their atrocities, the way Stalin treated the people of Ukraine and the Baltic states (among others) definitely explains why some of them were so willing to collaborate.
if you dive a little deeper than pseudo-historical crap cartoons, you will learn that Vlasov's 2nd Strike Army attacked to lift the siege of Leningrad, they went very deep, but were surrounded. Attempts to unclamp the 2nd Army were made repeatedly, not only because it is a large force that will be lost, but also because it is an opportunity to consolidate the success in lifting the siege of Leningrad.
My ancestor was a soldier in the red army. He was from Ukraine. In his memories, he noticed that a man took rule in his village and communicated with Germans. When the soviets took the village back they were searching for him to kill. But it was no crime he really did, he even supported local partisans with food and cover. Even when USSR won the war it continued to kill innocent people without justice.
Can you imagine if your Soviet comrade just leads you out in a isolated area for “needed backup,” stops to look at you, and then starts speaking in German saying: *”Fang ihn ein.”*
I honest to God thought that Sergey Taboritsky and the NORM would be showcased, considering that he made the Russian version of Hitler Youth, worked with the SS and begged Goebbels to make him a German citizen and NSDAP party member despite being a Russian Jewish monarchist.
"Kamiński" (original spelling) is a very common name in Poland. It could mean different things - being from a town or village of similar name, or being a stone mason.
Those Soviet prisoners were going to end up dead either way most likely. Whether through the camps or fighting their own people which wouldn't take then back at that point due to being traitors.
Not a big fan of Japanese collaborators but perhaps the people of SEA had a better reason to collaborate with Japan than the people of USSR collaborating with Germany. Similar to Soviet experience with Germany, the people of SEA realized that the colonialist Allies were the better choice. Of course, once the Japanese left, the colonialist Allies lost favor with the Southeast Asians. So the crucial point was not who was the good guy, but which side was really horrible.
@armchair Historian I've always loved your content, but what happened to fire and maneuver? It was a brilliant game with a few easily fixed bugs, Im sad to see you give up on development so quickly 😢
On the part of partisan fighters on the eastern front, a movie i saw that highlights the brutality and complications of the situation is called Come and See. Its about a boy who joins a unit of partisan fighters shortly after the Nazi invasion of Byelorussia. It's dark and not for the faint of heart
@@morgannmegann lol, you are the nazis for calling people "traitors" only because they hated ussr. And yes, all those "collaborators" combined killed less people than antihitler coalition, especially if we count USSR
Коллаборационизм - это страшное, чёрное пятно в истории России. Которое обсуждается и нынешний день, в основном из-за почитание "героев" в постсоветских республиках. Например, тот-же самый Власов в России обсуждается как предатель родины, который перешёл на сторону врага не из-за идеологических побуждений, а чтобы спасти свою шкуру. Сейчас, например, в западной Украине почитают Бандеру и его сторонников (помните как в Канаде хлопали бывшему солдату SS из западной Украины?). Нацисты им говорили что они получат свободу от сталинского режима, в итоге выполняли грязную работу по вырезанию белорусов, поляков, русских и красноармейцев. Для меня тут нету серой морали, есть наши, а есть предатели неудачники. Но история их увековечила не как предателей, а героев, которые добивались независимости своей страны. И помните, что национализм, разрушает страну из внутри, а крайне правый национализм, обвиняет меньшинства в разрушении страны.
I’m kind of disappointed that you didn’t mention the genocide of the Chechens and Ingush by the Soviets on account of their supposed collaboration during the battle of the Caucasus. In reality, the Germans were fought back by the Ingush, and they only ever took one village in the Checheno-Ingush ASSR, with a total of 30 Ingush men joining them. Those 30 men would be used as an excuse to kill a third of all Chechens and Ingush and to deport the rest to Kazakhstan for ten years.
I'll just tell you. 93% of Chechens and Ingush deserted. Many had previously been noted for banditry, looting and subversive activities when the Germans were approaching the Caucasus. And if you think that these are isolated cases, then no, there were so many of them that it threatened a catastrophe in the North Caucasus, and only the victory at Stalingrad and the retreat of the German troops allowed the front to be held. And yes, there was no genocide, there was deportation, yes, many died on the way, but excuse me, the trains clearly have something to do, it's 1944 and they need to supply the army to defeat the Central Army.
@@tolyayt7784Still can't find a justifiable reason to send a hundred thousand armed people to a republic with a population of 500 thousand and load them into empty carriages without food or the slightest insulation, declaring them traitors for three thousand volunteers in the Wehrmacht against 25 thousand local people in the Red Army. And this with the fact that they felt occupied and perceived the Soviet leadership very negatively due to the spread of atheism and the cult of leaders
@@tolyayt7784 thank you. The people in the comments are so emotional. They just believe what they like to hear. If there was a zombie apocalypse in the USSR, they'd still find a way to frame Stalin as the bad guy.
It's one of those big ironies of life that people who only wanted to be free from murderous monster ended up responsible for horrible war crimes themselves. War really sucks, is what I'm trying to say.
Great video, I like the fact that you give credit to the red army, it is often portrayed like the reason Soviets resisted so fanatically was because of commisars..
It's unbelievable the bias in the commentary of anything soviet-related. Not mentioning once the fact that many collaborators and pro fascist groups were previously part of the white army, only hammering in how oppressed the sovite citizens were, how malicious and evil the partisans were and supported by stalin btw Partisan violence and really tragic and horrible episodes happened throughout europe. You could make the same exact arguments with italian resistence and any other resistence. You could say the partisans were supported by the usa and the allies and committed atrocities, but you don't because it's obvious that partisans were on the right side of history, and those horrible episodes were instances in a sea of righteousness. The poor villagers oppressed by stalin were fucking peasants under tzarist rule until 20 years prior, and enjoyed a way better life with a lot more democracy than their parents did. All those fucking territories were unimaginably poor and undeveloped prior to the soviet revolution. Same goes for the red army inadequacy at answering the unexpected nazi invasion. So surprising that a well developed military engaging in a surprise attack crushes another army with 20 years of history, very poorly equipped and trained. Why do you even have a history channel if you can't contextualize history? It's so fucking bad all around. I'm not a tankie, but a bit of objectivity in reading history goes a long way. This narrative where "both sides are bad" when on one side you have literal nazis is sickening, and it just comes out of red scare propaganda. I enjoy your works on whatever else, but with soviet history your bias is so fucking apparent
Good day, understand your frustrations but not much can be done here. After 2022, anything related to Moscow is defined as totally bad in this context. With the Nazi-German styles being utilized by Ukrainian ultras, the Anglo-West establishment initially tried to downplay them but gradually decided that it was preferable to figure out a way to somehow indirectly justify this usage.
After world war two the west sought to try to minimise the Soviet war effort as much as possible and spread the idea that they were just as evil as the Germans. This is nothing new unfortunately. It's just that now even supposed 'independent' journalists and historians are following this dogma because of the current geopolitical situation.
For me as for Russian. I'm just shocked about comments right here. Everything about nazism is lost in minds of westerns just to justify thesis "Russia is bad". And everything that Russian TV lied about, suddenly became a true. That's why approaching with China looks good for me. They do have a memory about nazism even if it was not German but Japanese.
Я из России. Расскажи это мои предкам, которые умирали от голода в советских колхозах, пока советское руководство называлось на голоде посредством ТОРГСИН
@@ЭрвинРоммель-3 директор Пепси Ко хотел привести колу в Германию. Но из за санкций патоку завести не мог. По этому разработал новый рецепт. Который назвали Fanta . Также директор форд будучи идейным сторонником Адика платил немецкие взносы Германии.
@@dargone3231 хотел завести, что ад по этому наложил санкции.... Сильно. Форд платил за Гитлера до войны, и лишь в 40 дал безвозмездно грузовики, но так ведь делали и другие западные партнёры, что логично
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My grandpas brother use to be a Red Army soldier once. In 1942 in the frontlines of the Belarus he have been lost. After that my grandpa was sent to the frontline, and fought for Caucasus, then got injured in Maikop in 1943. Then in 1944, when Red Army soilders reached the Warsaw, they found the body of my grandpas brother laying on the street, he wore in the Weirmacht uniform and was fighting in 1/111 "Donmez" batallion of Azerbaijani Legion against soviets. When my grandpa heard this news in the Mahackala hospital, he felt anger and pain, but there was nothing to do... my grandpa died in 1971, because of sepsis. This story he told to my dad, and my dad told it to me.
I think, it's awful to face purge from your goverment or be excecuted by the enemy, but much worse is, to fight against your brother...
nah
@@xxsteve666xx2 tf you mean nah?
@@gigrichie3313 they were both fighting for the monsters
@@abhinandkrishna3430 he's probably a "Redpill" Neo
the nazis were such dogmatic morons that they couldn't even exploit hatred for the stalin regime when handed to them on a silver platter. they showed their true weakness when they didn't uphold the geneva convention for russian soldiers (even if that went both ways) instead allowing millions to starve in captivity, they could have supported the POA and manpower would be handed to them on a silver platter but they essentially worked against free manpower.
offcourse that is exactly what made them bad to begin with, if they had been less dogmatic they wouldn't even have gone to war or at least not in that way
The russian revolution and civil war ended some 18 years prior Operation Barbarossa. So for many people that sided with the white army or other national factions that had to live under soviet rule the german invasion was seen as the chance for a course-correcture.
those who sided with the Nazis quickly realized how much worse they were than Stalin.
And it would have, if not for Hitler’s mistakes, delays and winter
Sergey Taboritsky
@@flakka1685or his inability to put ideology aside for strategic value.
There were people who welcomed the Germans as liberators from the brutal tyranny of Stalin and his Bolsheviks. Particularly nationalities like the Ukrainians. And yet, Hitler not only allowed, he ordered his troops to act with the outmost brutality and refused to allow 700,000 Russian volunteers to fight on the German side.
These acts further solidified Stalin's grip on his people 😢
So when the Germans laid siege to Leningrad, the Soviets weren't willing to even hear of surrender
Big problem for the Germans is that the vast majority of White Army generals and leaders in exile condemned Barbarossa and refused any and all collaboration with Germans. They initially wanted Karbyshev- an Imperial Russian officer, to lead the collaborationist formation. But Karbyshev hated German racial politics and was obviously opposed to genocidal and expansionist Third Reich plans for USSR, so he was frozen alive by Germans. And instead, they took Vlasov. A crooked opportunist who used to be a hardcore communist. They never fully trusted Vlasov and there were correct in that, considering he did switch sides by helping Czech communists in Prague.
The way Stalin treated ukrainians and others nationalities i don't blame them for switching sides
That doesn't justify their mass murder of Poles and Jews.
this.
Real
He treated us, ukrainians, normaly. Same way as other nationalitys
Yeah but the u realize the nazi treat ur people even worse
IIRC some collaborators were even White Army veterans and émigrés who saw this as a second chance against the Reds
An entire unit was even formed, having over 4000 men called the "Russian National People's Army" or the "RNNA", primarily led by émigrés who had ties with an American-based Russian fascist Anastasy Vonsiatsky
Most important white army veterans were in exile in Serbia and most refused to collaborate with Germans. It was just a tiny fraction that did
@@Palach624 The vast majority of whites fled to China and ended up staying in Manchuria in cities such as Harbin.
Samara. if you know you know.
@@ordinaryrat TNO TNO TNO TNO NTO TNO TNO TNO TNO!!!!!
NTO? @@Петр-щ1г
Imangine being a georgian collaborator knowing their fellow and georgian citizen Jugasvilli will give no mercy
Stalin was not a Georgian citizen, he never lived in Georgia when it was independent
(Stalin for those who don’t know)
@@giorgijioshvili9713don’t try to distance Stalin from Georgia . He was loved there ,even so when Khrushchev denounced him there were riots in Georgia
@@olegshtolc7245 many People though that Khrushchevs anti-stalin policies were anti-Georgian policies thats why there were major protests in major cities, it evantualy turned into independent protests and kicked started Georgian independence movemant leaded by Zviad gamsakhurdia and Merab kostava
@@giorgijioshvili9713 sorry, but yeah, he was Georgian, and being Georgian did not stop him with his neighbourhood buddy lavrenti beria from brutally punishing and murdering his own people.
That doesnt mean all Georgians are like stalin or like stalin. The same applies for Germany, germans and the chap with the funny mustache
I feel like it’s still important to note that when it came to the partisan war, the vast majority of Soviet civilians, at least ethically Russian ones and many Belarusians & Ukrainians as well, willingly supported the partisans because most of them identified way more with their own countrymen than their occupiers, most of whom didn’t care for their wellbeing and in many cases were actively trying to exterminate them.
Yes, but this guy will not say that.... ...
Belarus was particularly notable as the local partisans were very well organized and controlled roughly 60% of the country (mostly rural areas and wilderness) by 1943.
That is true, although I'd imagine that was one of the toughest calls to make. Being starved to death on your own land by some dictator's crazed command economy fantasy must've been only very, VERY slightly preferable to getting evicted and exterminated for another dictator's genocidal colonial fantasy.
@@Birdman369plus the almost annihilation of the belarusian population by the Nazi
True. Also the Germans were openly terrible towards slavs, whereas the Soviets had much more propaganda and suppression of information, so that the locals still do not know how bad their own regime was towards them to this day.
Soviet Union (mostly Russians) led by a Georgian vs. the 3rd Reich (mostly Germans) led by an Austrian.
Before ww2, no one really considered Austrians and Germans a separate people
Stalin considered himself "russian"
@@emilturangi7145"Considered"
@@RacelKatyusha And I hope the history will remember him so. Stalin dasn't deseve to be part of Georgian nation, they are good people and Stalin is giving them a bad name.
@@emilturangi7145 but you can't just change history, it's like saying hitler was german
Vlasov signed the capitulation of the ROA in the city of Nepomuk. From what I heard, the pen with which he signed the surrender was also left there.
Soviet collaborators get extremely overhyped, but germans that switched sides and helped soviets get overlooked. Convenient isn't it?
Guys like Fritz Schmenkel for example, that defected to partisans and fought with them.
Or that same Paulus, who joined "national committee for free germany" and lived the rest of his life in GDR.
Not even saying that locals from liberated territories would have their own national corps formed, like the polish people's army led by Zygmunt Berling.
Why no one talks about them? Oh right, these just show that commies are not bloody fanatics that kill everyone for fun so people go against them every moment they have a chance lmao.
Because,you know, the red menace!!!! Stalin ate millions of ukrainen children!!!!! USA simply uses communism as a boogie man to justify spreading american influence in entire world. And showing communist as humans goes against their agenda.
Ну да как бы существовал комитет "Свободная Германия" , там из нацистов создали коммунистов еще более коммунистов чем были в СССР, они искренне верили в идею и делали все для этого и очень болезненно восприняли предательство Горбачева
😅 leave out the fact that most of them were Jewish
Also there were Soviet Germans who fought for USSR even tho their families were deported to Siberia
Эти факты слишком неудобные.
"For England, James?" - Alec Trevelyan, 006
"No, for me." - James Bond, 007.
"Not exactly our finest hour..."
Exactly what came to my mind as well. A special movie for Sean Bean; he survived almost until the very end.
My Great Uncle was a Soviet Soldier who fought in Stalingrad he was captured twice and he escaped capture twice. Ultimately he ended up fighting in Berlin as well and agreed the war lived on to his 80s.
Meanwhile I also have a distant cousin who willingly joined the Nazis after the Nazis invaded... he didn't live long after the war and following liberation many collaborators like him were murdered in reprisals by their victims
Never ask a man his salary, a woman her age, a Ukrainian nationalist what his grandpa was doing from 1941-1945.
Probably trying to liberate his homeland from Stalinist oppression? There is no moral high ground here, both the Soviets and axis did horrendous things,
@@rhysnichols8608 Problem with that is while the soviets where bad. The Germans where going on a genocide run.
@@RomanHistoryFan476ADTbf in those villages their practically the same, with hindsight we know the Germans would’ve annihilated everyone, but at that time German civilian policies were largely not implemented
or the entire ethnic groups in the caucausus mountain lmfao
@@RomanHistoryFan476AD
The Soviets killed more Ukrainians in 1 year between 1933-34 than the German collaborators killed in the whole war.
Also, it's so ironic that Hitler refers to other races as subhuman when the Germans were originally known as babarians during the age of the Roman Empire
Prussians…
And Prussians (Hitler wasn’t one, but he seemed to emulate and admire them) specifically were often seen as cold, brutality-minded militarists.
Just a thread of manipulation
@@capncake8837 Right, before the German unification in the 1880s. Such German states in the south such as Bavaria , Baden-Wurttenburg and so on. Had that view of the Prussians.
Funny enough when Himmler went on an obsession of archaeology find to prove German superiority in the ancient past, it anger Hitler and mocked Himmler for only prove that the German were a bunch of Barbarians living in huts while the Roman and Greek lived in marble mansions, so in a way Hitler self aware about German past.
Bro they switched teams half way through the game...
😂🤣
@@miles-eq3hv auto balance
And still lost
Ever heard of co-belligerents? People and countries don’t just swap sides likes that. The Germans were highly untrustworthy of the Ukrainians and Russians that would join their ranks and fight with them.
Same with the Allies, still treating the Italian republic as an axis nation and punishing as such at the end of the war.
@@TaylorBloomqvist it's a joke
I have been wanting for a video like this, since we all saw the soldiers who were captured by East and West even those deserted, and those put on trial, thank you armchair historian, you keep and made history sacred
The amount of people showing support to Nazi collaborators are insane. Sure the Soviets treated their subjects badly, but the Nazis planned for a literal ethnic cleansing that would make the Holocaust forgettable. Also, its not like these collaborators didn't commit numerous atrocities against their own people.
Now Vlasov is heroised by some "Nazis" who claim he was fighting against Stalinism (being one of the favourites of him due to his ordinary origin and being an advisor of
Chiang Kai-shek in Pekin in 1930-s). He was "lucky enough" to be the defender of Moscow, (despite his absence in a hospital during that, and his HQ representative - colonel Sandalov created the real operation by the time of his "arrival", as he said, he "frozen his ear"). And he also had two wives - one a legal Tatiana (if I'm not mistaken) and a son, a mistress Agnessa Podmazenkso and later after the betrayal - a new wife of the former SS-man to save himself. He knew perfectly during the betrayal he was breaking their lives, as they would be arrested and imprisoned as "the relatives of the people's enemy" - as they even unwillingly had the connection with him. So when he got arrested by Nazis his dying 2nd Army fought feriously in encirclement in Leningrad, but he sold all of them - the location, the equipment, the numbers of the soldiers , tanks and technics, he used to be twicely greeted by Stalin before and was proud of it - he became a vile "anti-communist" and an "anti-Stalinist" in captivity, while meeting Himmler the latest said: "We told to this Russian: after the war you'll receive the general-lieutenant's pension, and for now - here're for you are schnapps, money and women - he sold us everything he knew immediately: that's the way how cheap you can get such "a general".
When he left behind his own army trying to run to Americans, being captured by the Soviet intelligence officers, among numerous documents from Nazis that's he's a general, his approvement to make RLA ("ROA" - "Russkaya Osvobodytelnaya Armya" - the "Russian liberation army", or Vlasovites, (Vlasovtsy)), he had a bunch of dollars, a note to American and British Embassy for covering his person - here's the "hero" of all the traitors who fought bravely and courageously against the system, but not the people - that's different 😂. Now the Czech leader wants to establish a monument to him. One can be funny, if it wasn't so sad.
So happy to see an upload
6:22 In Norwegian, "Ostlegionen" translates to "The Cheese Legion" 😄
Are you Norwegian? "Ost" just means "East" in German and "Legionen" means "Legions". I know that because I myself am German. It is interesting to see that our languages have such differences, even though they have the same roots!
@@pennyjoker8999 Ja, ich komt aus Norwegen. Ich weiss was das bedeutet, ich spreche etwas Deutsch, aber es ist trotzdem lutzig 😃
"Ost" auf Deutsch ist "øst" auf Norwegisch (Ø is pronounced like the u in English "burn").
-en as a suffix marks it as being in definite form. Since the word is male, the plural is -er, and the definitive plural is -ene (legion = legion, legioner = legions, legionen = the legion, legionene = the legions)
Other words in German or Dutch can become funny because of this. I once saw a small notice in a window of a shop in the Netherlands, it started with "BESTE MENSEN!".
In Dutch this means "Best people!", or an English speaker would say "Good people!" or "Good folk!" as an introduction.
In Norwegian, it means "(This is) The best menstruation!"
So it looked like they were really happy about that months results and wanted to announce it 😄
17:38 that line is poetically sad and real
Mass Genocide is definitely wrong. He's trying to blur the line to make Nazis look less bad.
Yet tragically that’s how it was for many during the Nazi occupation of the many countries under the regimes rule not to mention the horrific acts committed by their own countrymen who collaborated with the regime it literally tore families apart but yet what little choice did they have it was either that or face starvation
Yep, lets pity those who exterminated Slavic population. Among Jewish, Gypsy and others. Who made "dirty work" as "sub-humans" and gained benefits from their new owners.
Woah. This might be one of your best videos yet!
Really love it when these short documentaries choose to shed more light into the deep moral conundrums and loyalty dilemmas people find themselves in when war arrives at their doorstep.
Perhaps it would be interesting to make a video, in the same vein, about the natives who sided with colonial authorities during the independence conflicts that bled through Africa during the 50's-70's.
Can't say I know much about the French or the English, but the Portuguese case would be an interesting one, that's still controversial: Portugal made use of thousands of their colonized, their collaboration being a key reason for the war lasting as long as it did, and some of these collaborators performed EXTREMELLY WELL; the most decorated militaryman in Portugal's history is Marcelino da Mata, a Black man from Guinea-Bissau (he died 3 years ago).
However, when the war ended and the time came for the colonies to be granted independence, Portuguese citizenship and a new home in the country they had fought for was refused to the majority of these native troops, who would end up either executed by their new governments or live the following decades in civil wars, a stain in the recent post-dictatorship history of the country that, unfortunately, doesn't get addressed at all (you could change that, ahah ,😉).
Man thank you for your videos. May you like to upload a video about the Russian Civil War? This one is a war that has very few good videos on it and you guys are definitely the best to do a great one 😎👍
Glad you did a video on this. Most people don't know about the cossaks. Or the ROA.
Yeah.
Most Cossacks still fought for the USSR though and participated in the 1945 parade with proper Cossack uniforms.
@@gnas1897 True, but we can't forget the many people who fought for the third reich for many reasons, be that ideological or revenge against Stalin or pure opportunistic and self serving, whatever their reasons. There was thousands of Slavic soldiers who fought for the Axis powers. And are apart of history, no matter how ugly and uncomfortable that truth may be. Every war has it's traitors.
@@talizorahnarrayya001 unfortunately. It is what it is.
The world was the darkest from 1914 to 1945
War poverty disease that period was utter hell
Let's not forget the subsequent forty-four years.
@@hilairebelloc3368 It wasn't nearly as bad.
bruh Europe has literally been at war since beginning of time ............. theyve never really had a break until after ww2.........pre ww1 there was the franco prussian war napoleon wars etc.....
@@concept5631 I can assure you that for a person in Eastern Europe, Africa, or even China, the post-WWII years were vastly worse than the preceding twenty.
@@hilairebelloc3368 I mean for china that's debateable, I'd say it's just as bad to be shot by a japanese soldier as it is to get shot by a soldier from your own country
Slavs: We will fight with you for our freedom!
The Nazis (notable for their unwavering hatred for Slavs but in need of manpower): Yes... freedom.
MAXIM 29: The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy, no more, no less.
-Schlock Mercenary
The irony is many slavs fought with them. So your point is illogical and unhistorical.
I think it's more like certain Slavs.
Like East-Slavs Hitler suspected of being mixed Mongol-Russians and such.
But it always changed depending on what he needed for sure.
He also had a very diverse set of people in the SS.
There's a rumor Hitler wanted to sterilise himself as he didn't see himself as 'Aryan' but i don't see any evidence it would be any more than a rumor.
Apparently he didn't see quarter Jews (or less than quarter, can't remember)as people to be eradicated since he probably thought in his lifetime those people will assimilate to the main population and their genes will mostly disappear. (since that's a possibility, happens all the time called the founder-effect)
Others maybe didn't see another choice or some might have been nihilists, people like Dirlewanger aren't exclusive to Germans.
Muh Marvel bad guys?
@@creely123 You hear guys? The Nazis were fine with Slavs! They didn't have any problems with them! None whatsoever!
They certainly didn't take Slavs into the military purely out of necessity! Nope! The Nazis would never discriminate against Slavs!
They definitely did not have any ulterior motives! They were very inclusive!
Может они расскажут сколько французов, бельгийцев, чехов, словаков, венгров, хорватов, боснийцев, болгарцев, македонцев, румын, датчан, финнов, норвежцев, англичан, поляков, литовцев, эстонцев, латышей, голландцев, перешло на сторону германии во время второй мировой? Правда перед многими из вышеперечисленных даже не стояло выбора перейти на сторону рейха или умереть, в любом случае это общая победа, но затемнять плохие стороны остальных стран и показывать с плохой стороны лишь определённые, очень мерзко и раболепно.
Недоощененный комментарий.
Очень удручает то, что люди действительно все еще верят в антисоветские байки времён холодной войны, из-за чего в этом хаосе лжи теряются судьбы реальных людей, которые действительно могли пострадать при советской власти (необязательно намеренно).
I was starting to get worried about you griff , we hadnt got a video for awhile. Amazing as always! Dont make us wait so long next time!
Just friendly reminder to all who cry about "tried liberate Russia from commies".
Half of them was punishers who slaughtered civilians and resistance. Not just in USSR, but in Poland, France, Czechoslovakia etc
Just ask any human in Poland about Kaminski and his dogs.
Despite Kaminski was killed by germans (even for them he was a cruel dick, lol) his men became a part of Russian Liberation Army....
10:46 That German soldier looks so happy
im listening to a german tank commanders memoirs atm and he recalled one story of his gunner
their tank had been in repair and the crew had nothing to do so the gunner volounteered to be the gunner on a mechanized vehicle which had to drive some place further away
he said on a crossroads there suddently was german soldiers that told them that the direction they wanted to go was unpassable as there was a minefield now
the gunner thought to himself that that was pretty odd to mine one of the key roads in the area even though they were far behind the frontline
then the second machinegunner from behind came forward and said hey man, those guys are wearing the same Divisional collar taps as my friend hans
But hans was captured in stalingrad 1943......!
Without thinking the gunner swung his machinegun around screamed "its a trap!" then the soldiers raised their rifles and he knew for sure
he cut one in half with his machine gun and killed the other 4 aswell
those men were part of this same group, Komitee freies deutschland they called themselves
What's the name of the memoir
I look forward to everyone of your videos!
"To demonstrate my power of teleportation, I teleported each half of my body to different places; one going to Moscow, the other to Berlin."
- Man in thumbnail, perhaps
He is Kill
@@Alfonse-dm6ht He is flex (seal). Yeah...
thats suppose to be a joke?... wow you are clown then
And somehow both versions end up in the Canadian parliament in 2023…
"I think with horror and shame of a Europe divided in two parts by the line of the (river) Bug,
on one side of which millions of Soviet slaves prayed for liberation by the armies of Hitler,
while on the other millions of victims of German concentration camps awaited
deliverance by the Red Army as their last hope." - "A World Apart" by Gustaw Herling-Grudziński
The Eastern Front was truly a grimdark war. Either you fight for one, murderous asshole or another murderous asshole who took up the offer to work with the Allies when the other murderous asshole he worked with to butcher Poland comes for him.
Herling-Grudziński always hits hard.
Out of all the workers from the world, soviet citizens were the only ones that cant be considered slaves, because capitalism didnt enslave them and the workers, thanks to socialism, stood up for themselves
I watched a documentary on WWII and watched footage of Soviet citizens welcoming Nazi German troops into their town and watched statues of Joseph Stalin being torn down.
The BBC's documentary The World at War. The episode called Barbarossa shows that footage.
German tanks would roll into towns and villages. And the people in the town would be throwing flowers at them. Some villages even offered German officers bread and salt in welcoming them.
Most likely that was western ukraine
and they unfortunately suffered for there mistake.
@@umbrum2 “Their”.
@@ПупПопов this was all over ussr where Germans came, not only western Ukraine
I read a book from a German officer who worked with Osttruppen and was an aid to Gen. Vlasov and he said that they could have made a real difference in the war against the USSR. The ethnic minorities that looked on the Germans as liberators and Anti-Stalinist Russians could have been an even more formable force for Germany if they were given better treatment and pledges of political autonomy. But he concludes that would have never happened for it was not a German army that invaded the Soviet Union but a Nazi one and all Slavs were untermenschlich even those on their side.
The "untermenschlich" was also Hitler ideological excuse to order generals not bother with these volunteers.
Hitler and German High Command knew they already had more than enough under-equipped allies in form of Romanians, Hungarians, and Italians and more. They had hundreds of thousand men but comparative little effective heavy weaponry like AT guns to properly fight against Soviet armies. What Hitler didn't need was another extra hundred thousands of dubious Russian volunteers that further diverting what little weapons Germans could spare, these weapons would better off going to actual Axis allies covering their flanks.
Not to mention the German plan in invasion of Russia include the seizing the food and other essential materials back to Germany - the German leadership never had any plan or desire to sustain such large number of civilians there, hence the population reduction policies. The fact that Germany's economy required such policies to continue the war meant keeping the Russians on their good side were impractical as best, so why bother?
And you really believe? He can write that for them own reasons, for show themselve like a hero, you don't think?
What happened in Volhynia is what I call the European Rwanda. Polish youtuber Arkadiusz Olszewski made a great animated documentary on what happened there in 1943.
Would you expect an objective view from a polish?
Thanks for the info. This incident was practically forgotten in the West because Ukrainian nationalism was never seen as important in the Anglo-West after the end of the war.
Much of the reminder on Volhynia came as a backlash after the not-very-clever MSM tried to remake the Ukrainian Azov Bandera Maidan ultras as a bunch of freedom-loving civic liberal democrats.🙄🙄
A reason why Orban was skeptical of Ukrainians was that during the Cold War, a sizable number of Soviet troops in the Soviet bloc were Ukrainians and they were practically indistinguishable from Russians.
@@tkm238-d4r Your welcome. It's funny how the MSM works.
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Orban doesnt understand that ethnic Ukrainian soldiers were in Hungary because Ukrainian lands were occupied and because of this Ukrainians were forced to serve in the Soviet army. Hungarians in the conditions of the socialist sphere at least had their own formally sovereign state, while Ukrainians were completely governed from Moscow. Ukrainian nationalism is strongly criticized in the West, there is no need to create illusions. Especially among left-leaning people who are generally against any nationalism for ethnic Europeans. Moreover, there is even a tendency to attack Ukrainian nationalism more strongly than Russian nationalism.
@@xxvxxv5588 Not sure what you meant by Ukrainian lands being occupied since the concept of Ukraine was historically vague and more of a geographical expression.
After 1240, it was possible that a separate Ukrainian state outside of Kiev-Muscovy could have emerged.
However the expansion of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania ended that possibility.
Subsequently, events from 1654 to 1795 simply shifted the Dnestr-Dnieper zone from Warsaw-Vilnius to Moscow-St Petersburg.
Meanwhile the future Bandera-land went from Warsaw to Vienna.
The Hungarians understood history very well. At least the Kingdom of Hungary sort of existed for a long time before WW1.
A distinct administrative Ukraine did not exist until the formation of Ukraine SSR.
This was always the weakness of Bandera-ism, projecting the viewpoint of a marginal region across the whole landmass.
Not a word about 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician)???
"Nice work" buddy
Is he obligated to talk about every single SS division?
@@BoDAssassin God forbid. Let's just mainly concentrate on Russian collaborators
@@BoDAssassinso we should forget about those who show the most animosity towards the other nations such as Jews,Polish and ethnic Russian?
@vilmomoccolosso9824 well considering it's a video about soviet collaborators, I think that's fair
Ostlegionen ("eastern legions"), Ost-Bataillone ("eastern battalions"), Osttruppen ("eastern troops"), and Osteinheiten ("eastern units") were units in the Army of Nazi Germany during World War II made up of personnel from the Soviet Union.[1] They were a large part of the Wehrmacht foreign volunteers and conscripts.
Like that one gulag journal entry said..” starved corpses are light, you can carry two”..and it had a drawing of a babushka carrying two starved body’s..I gotta find that diary and send it to some museum or something.
This is a lie
@@xconnorgrillox ok mr Goldstein
@@TheHaydena76 I mean he might be right, because there is no proof
@@RacelKatyusha understood:) my apologies
@@TheHaydena76 people lie about what they hate the most, most don't even know what democracy is, or most importantly what communism/socialism is, and they wonder why people they call "Idiots" still become communist or socialist even when they were told countless times that "it is evil dictator and all dies and starve!!!" just straight up hate the thing because your goverment and old hags said so.. i recommand reading all books related to communism, socialism, capitalism, anarchism, basically every related to politics to understand before hating, because even most today politicians don't know what the word "Democracy" and "Freedom" means as it already lost it's meaning
Money all the way
Money is the god
Praise money
Or else be left out
That is the only truth, gods can be forgotten for money, the true god
I really hate how UA-cam isn't enough to support armchair historian. All the censorship and demonitzation sucks.
It’s not just that, Google isn’t getting as many ad buyers to advertise because of the insane rates we’ve had for years
Already liked before watching. Been binge watching your channel for weeks 🫡♥️
Imagine switching sides in hopes of saving yourself from your regime only to be recaptured again........
One of those Soviet citizens who collaborated with the Germans was Yaroslav Hunka - a Ukrainian who served in the Galicia Division of the SS during WW2 and later escaped to the West after the war and eventually ended up in Canada where he would find himself receiving two standing ovations in the Canadian parliament in 2023 during a visit by Ukrainian President Zelenskyy…
Nice.
you can judge anyone and you can`t even imagine what soviets did to Ukraine, massive famines, purges, removal of private property as a form, even if you will starve to death
its not the germans who attracted ukrainians, its hatred towards soviets
So, what`s wrong?
based?
@@ВладиславВладислав-и4ю
Everything about that
This war was literally a fight for survival.
Slavs: “You have liberated us!”
Germans: “I wouldn’t say ‘liberated.’ More like ‘under new management.’”
Now make one video about American collaboration with Nazis.
For me the ordinary Soviet people had it worse on WW2, not only invaded by the Axis and suffering their countless atrocities, but also uncared for by the NKVD and Stavka as just mere numbers in the system, is really saddening
Modern Russia speaks for itself. A giant dump.
>Ignoring the Commies and their countless atrocities
They were not just "uncared for" that's like claiming the Yathzees treated the jews "uncaringly" as the majority of that inflated number claimed since 1934 starved
That's what you get for becoming a communist.
They weren't mistreated in the army. They were literally fighting for their very existence. Their choice was to either fight or die.
@@8-bitstream379 did you forget about the purges lol? And death squads? And sending humans to clear mines without equipment?
ngl i feel like there was a missed opportunity to add a reference from Come And See
Yeah, I agree. Hopefully he makes a update in the future
There was. though its in the AHTV uncut video, a mugshot of Florya before he was executed
While it by no means justifies their collaboration with the Nazis or their atrocities, the way Stalin treated the people of Ukraine and the Baltic states (among others) definitely explains why some of them were so willing to collaborate.
the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
especially the poles
Stalin hated everybody, including russians. Why don’t you talk about famine in Russian part of ussr?
Ah, i dont know.. hmm. Maybe because it wasnt artificial, genius? Like in Ukraine, Kazakhstan?@@Joe-kq5sw
@@ВладНоваковський-д2и it was simply incompetence, not a deliberate genocide, what would the soviets profit off if the people just died?
this was a crazy good video NICE WORK
Vlasov: help me brother Stalin
Stalin: nope
Vlasov: *change side*
Stalin: so you have chosen death
if you dive a little deeper than pseudo-historical crap cartoons, you will learn that Vlasov's 2nd Strike Army attacked to lift the siege of Leningrad, they went very deep, but were surrounded. Attempts to unclamp the 2nd Army were made repeatedly, not only because it is a large force that will be lost, but also because it is an opportunity to consolidate the success in lifting the siege of Leningrad.
Calling them Soviet collaborators was a bit confusing. Made it seem like they were collaborating with the Soviets, versus defecting from them.
The Daniel Craig film "Defiance" illustrates this collaborator/partisan situation in Russia during World Wat Two quite well.
My ancestor was a soldier in the red army. He was from Ukraine. In his memories, he noticed that a man took rule in his village and communicated with Germans. When the soviets took the village back they were searching for him to kill. But it was no crime he really did, he even supported local partisans with food and cover. Even when USSR won the war it continued to kill innocent people without justice.
Nice theme for the video, I've been waiting for something like this from you guys👏
Can you imagine if your Soviet comrade just leads you out in a isolated area for “needed backup,” stops to look at you, and then starts speaking in German saying:
*”Fang ihn ein.”*
Thank you sir ❤❤
I honest to God thought that Sergey Taboritsky and the NORM would be showcased, considering that he made the Russian version of Hitler Youth, worked with the SS and begged Goebbels to make him a German citizen and NSDAP party member despite being a Russian Jewish monarchist.
Tno moment
Another tragic yet well-done video Armchair Historian!
Товарищи, тот, кто также, как и я, верит в то, что тут сидят в комментариях боты и антисоветчики, то я рад, что вы умный и образованный человек.
Uncut and uncensored behind a paywall = straight dislike
Almost like they need to earn money…
Предателей везде хватает. И часто причиной бывает не то, что своих не любят, а просто страх смерти заставляет предать родных.
Hoi4 germany having 50 collab in the union animated
The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend
Calling ukrainians, russians, baltic or belarussian peoplentraitors bc they hated the soviets is craaaaaazyyyy
12:58 wait a minute, my moms last name is Kaminski and her family is from poland.... Nah, its just a coincidence...
Right?.....
Probably. A lot of the time, unrelated people have the same last name.
"Kamiński" (original spelling) is a very common name in Poland. It could mean different things - being from a town or village of similar name, or being a stone mason.
these is a theory that he's polish descent, but he hated Poles and helped germans defeat the warsaw uprising
It's a common last name in Poland
@@rafakrzentowski9549It's not a theory, one of his parents was Polish
I literally just got back from a reenactment with my poa group
I’m really goad Armchair History has gotten into some pretty good content
Those Soviet prisoners were going to end up dead either way most likely. Whether through the camps or fighting their own people which wouldn't take then back at that point due to being traitors.
all war is hell
Exactly!!!
@@Duck_Man4just let yourself get conquered I guess
You do realize one side of the war generally did not choose the war, and either fight or get conquered
No one cares
Fighting against fascism = good
Fighting against communism = bad
Please Do Filipinos Who Also Help The Impirial Japanese Army During WW2 Also Known As "MAKAPILI"
Not a big fan of Japanese collaborators but perhaps the people of SEA had a better reason to collaborate with Japan than the people of USSR collaborating with Germany.
Similar to Soviet experience with Germany, the people of SEA realized that the colonialist Allies were the better choice.
Of course, once the Japanese left, the colonialist Allies lost favor with the Southeast Asians.
So the crucial point was not who was the good guy, but which side was really horrible.
@@tkm238-d4rJapanese, it’s unanimously considered by SEA Asians, and Asians that the Japanese were way worse then the colonial governments
bro might be a lil passionate about the soviets
Never ask the Henry Ford about his Iron Cross.
Never ask the IBM why they make the punchedcards for Germans.
i remember a collaborator praised by Canadian parliament recently from this video
Ruzzian troll
Dude soviets were evil
@armchair Historian I've always loved your content, but what happened to fire and maneuver? It was a brilliant game with a few easily fixed bugs, Im sad to see you give up on development so quickly 😢
On the part of partisan fighters on the eastern front, a movie i saw that highlights the brutality and complications of the situation is called Come and See. Its about a boy who joins a unit of partisan fighters shortly after the Nazi invasion of Byelorussia. It's dark and not for the faint of heart
Nope, it was 1944 at movie, before operation Bagration.
@10:19 "🗣🗣🗣PARTISAN TACTICS " lolol xD
Soviets who hated Communism
You should make a video on japanese campaigns in Mongolia
Man, the former epic thumbnail changed 😢
I felt a little betrayed when you said that we can watch for free, but when I clicked on the link it asked be to subscribe to watch
This is an interesting topic I’ve never heard in ww2!
Why'd you change the thumbnail it was just fine
for those monsters , death was a salvation. for every 1 colaborator there was 60 who didnt , and survived
They were much lesser monsters than Antihitler coalition
@@OrkosUAdude, Hitler wanted to exterminate the Ukrainians
@@OrkosUA
>UA
> Pro nazi
Predictable
@@morgannmegann lol, you are the nazis for calling people "traitors" only because they hated ussr. And yes, all those "collaborators" combined killed less people than antihitler coalition, especially if we count USSR
@@morgannmegannbot
Коллаборационизм - это страшное, чёрное пятно в истории России. Которое обсуждается и нынешний день, в основном из-за почитание "героев" в постсоветских республиках. Например, тот-же самый Власов в России обсуждается как предатель родины, который перешёл на сторону врага не из-за идеологических побуждений, а чтобы спасти свою шкуру. Сейчас, например, в западной Украине почитают Бандеру и его сторонников (помните как в Канаде хлопали бывшему солдату SS из западной Украины?). Нацисты им говорили что они получат свободу от сталинского режима, в итоге выполняли грязную работу по вырезанию белорусов, поляков, русских и красноармейцев. Для меня тут нету серой морали, есть наши, а есть предатели неудачники. Но история их увековечила не как предателей, а героев, которые добивались независимости своей страны. И помните, что национализм, разрушает страну из внутри, а крайне правый национализм, обвиняет меньшинства в разрушении страны.
+15 рублей и в окоп защищать Курск
@@Siamskiy_Kot +10 гривен и приказ атаковать Коренево.
@@xakerors2279 уже освободили
@@Siamskiy_Kot Ты шут или идиот, Про гунько не в курсе или опять скажешь, что это мосфильм, как вам штурм пятёрочки за 3 дня, много еды украли?
@@Siamskiy_Kot, успокойся, поросенок)
"Be strong in the belief that life is wonderful. Be positive and believe that the Revolution will always win."
- Valery Sablin
I love your videos Man
"But the thing about betrayal is that it never comes from your enemies"-Lawkeeper Equity Mlp Ace Attorney EOJ
USSR was enemy of all of its people
If you run your country like a mafia, don't expect your citizens to remain loyal when your enemies give them a better deal.
If you have no brain, don't expect some clever thoughts
@@АлександрЛюбавин-э9ъYou just perfectly describe people defend Stalin.
@@gamept571 another one without brain
It was a much worse deal in the long run.
Soviets are councils
Translates technically to suggestion yes
@@123undertakerfan Which means not a single soviet helped the Nazis
Will there be any episodes about early modern era? I feel like this period is highly underappreciated in most medias
I’m kind of disappointed that you didn’t mention the genocide of the Chechens and Ingush by the Soviets on account of their supposed collaboration during the battle of the Caucasus. In reality, the Germans were fought back by the Ingush, and they only ever took one village in the Checheno-Ingush ASSR, with a total of 30 Ingush men joining them.
Those 30 men would be used as an excuse to kill a third of all Chechens and Ingush and to deport the rest to Kazakhstan for ten years.
I'll just tell you. 93% of Chechens and Ingush deserted. Many had previously been noted for banditry, looting and subversive activities when the Germans were approaching the Caucasus. And if you think that these are isolated cases, then no, there were so many of them that it threatened a catastrophe in the North Caucasus, and only the victory at Stalingrad and the retreat of the German troops allowed the front to be held. And yes, there was no genocide, there was deportation, yes, many died on the way, but excuse me, the trains clearly have something to do, it's 1944 and they need to supply the army to defeat the Central Army.
@@tolyayt7784 thats the percent of votes the newly annexed ukrainian oblasts also received, no? i smell bssssss
@@tolyayt7784Still can't find a justifiable reason to send a hundred thousand armed people to a republic with a population of 500 thousand and load them into empty carriages without food or the slightest insulation, declaring them traitors for three thousand volunteers in the Wehrmacht against 25 thousand local people in the Red Army. And this with the fact that they felt occupied and perceived the Soviet leadership very negatively due to the spread of atheism and the cult of leaders
@@tolyayt7784 thank you. The people in the comments are so emotional. They just believe what they like to hear. If there was a zombie apocalypse in the USSR, they'd still find a way to frame Stalin as the bad guy.
And now we have Chechen units fighting for Russia in Ukraine…….this timeline is bizzare.
It's one of those big ironies of life that people who only wanted to be free from murderous monster ended up responsible for horrible war crimes themselves.
War really sucks, is what I'm trying to say.
But the video is about slavs, not Americans.
Stalin was not a murderous monster
“March forward,
in iron ranks,
To the battle for Motherland, for people!
Only faith move mountains,
Only courage takes cities!”
Anthem of cowards and traitors.
@@wander67 тише совок
*[An end to weakness]*
Republic of Fire and Steel
For OUR people*. I find it necessary to point this out.
Dissapointed that this video forgot to mention the Arajs Kommando and it's leaders: Viktor Arajs and the deputy, Herbert Cukers.
Guys wake up! The armchair historian uploaded a new video on the Russians joining the Germans!
The Russians joined the Germans in 1939!
Great video, I like the fact that you give credit to the red army, it is often portrayed like the reason Soviets resisted so fanatically was because of commisars..
It's unbelievable the bias in the commentary of anything soviet-related. Not mentioning once the fact that many collaborators and pro fascist groups were previously part of the white army, only hammering in how oppressed the sovite citizens were, how malicious and evil the partisans were and supported by stalin btw
Partisan violence and really tragic and horrible episodes happened throughout europe. You could make the same exact arguments with italian resistence and any other resistence. You could say the partisans were supported by the usa and the allies and committed atrocities, but you don't because it's obvious that partisans were on the right side of history, and those horrible episodes were instances in a sea of righteousness.
The poor villagers oppressed by stalin were fucking peasants under tzarist rule until 20 years prior, and enjoyed a way better life with a lot more democracy than their parents did. All those fucking territories were unimaginably poor and undeveloped prior to the soviet revolution.
Same goes for the red army inadequacy at answering the unexpected nazi invasion. So surprising that a well developed military engaging in a surprise attack crushes another army with 20 years of history, very poorly equipped and trained.
Why do you even have a history channel if you can't contextualize history? It's so fucking bad all around. I'm not a tankie, but a bit of objectivity in reading history goes a long way. This narrative where "both sides are bad" when on one side you have literal nazis is sickening, and it just comes out of red scare propaganda.
I enjoy your works on whatever else, but with soviet history your bias is so fucking apparent
Both sides sucked. Go lick Stalin’s boots if you like him so much.
Good day, understand your frustrations but not much can be done here. After 2022, anything related to Moscow is defined as totally bad in this context.
With the Nazi-German styles being utilized by Ukrainian ultras, the Anglo-West establishment initially tried to downplay them but gradually decided that it was preferable to figure out a way to somehow indirectly justify this usage.
After world war two the west sought to try to minimise the Soviet war effort as much as possible and spread the idea that they were just as evil as the Germans. This is nothing new unfortunately. It's just that now even supposed 'independent' journalists and historians are following this dogma because of the current geopolitical situation.
For me as for Russian. I'm just shocked about comments right here. Everything about nazism is lost in minds of westerns just to justify thesis "Russia is bad". And everything that Russian TV lied about, suddenly became a true.
That's why approaching with China looks good for me. They do have a memory about nazism even if it was not German but Japanese.
Я из России.
Расскажи это мои предкам, которые умирали от голода в советских колхозах, пока советское руководство называлось на голоде посредством ТОРГСИН
Если пошла такая пляска может ребята расскажут откуда в Германии во время войны был Дизель, Фанта и колеса для военной машины рейха?
Дизель был румынский и венгерский
Фанту они сами сделали
Каучук немцы синтезировали
@@ЭрвинРоммель-3 директор Пепси Ко хотел привести колу в Германию. Но из за санкций патоку завести не мог. По этому разработал новый рецепт. Который назвали Fanta .
Также директор форд будучи идейным сторонником Адика платил немецкие взносы Германии.
@@dargone3231 хотел завести, что ад по этому наложил санкции.... Сильно.
Форд платил за Гитлера до войны, и лишь в 40 дал безвозмездно грузовики, но так ведь делали и другие западные партнёры, что логично
@@ЭрвинРоммель-3 логично для чего ? Для Анексии Чехословакии или Польши? Будучи уже известным про конц лагеря.