It would make a good light sport tourer if it had cruise control and adaptive for luggage. I also kicked my MT07 to the curb for a ZX4RR. I'm not rally a fan for the sound of parallel twins except for retro's. The music of the in line 4's just adds to my ride now.
I'm currently on a FZ07 for a few years now. I've been debating adding another bike to the stable. I too am interested in the ZX4RR,and am curious why you chose it of the 6R?
My inseam is around 27" and I have owned a Triumph Street Triple before. I never used all the power in it as long as I had it. I had it for 5 years. The ZX6R just had more power then I would ever us and It is too tall for me. I love the looks of the all black ZX6R and actually thought of buying one. I sat on it and took pictures. It would probably get me into a lot of trouble. The ZX4RR is perfect for me and what I want it for. Back country roads with a lot of curves. I'll never go to a track. @@nclements79
I am thinking that I would love this bike. However, I want to test ride it first and here in the Virginia Beach area none of the dealers offer test rides. I think Suzuki should just donate a bike for us to try out in this area if they want to sell to this area.
Hold on... is that white f150 your camera car or do you use two 360 X3's? This video is so seamless its insane. How do you do it? I'm in the Tampa area... might have to make a ride north on the SDR... hmm
You riding the bike, let the engine travel a bit more (you are shifting way too quick) 8R got stiff suspension, the S is softer makes a huge difference. Love the video, Listen to the bike. 😅
I was gonna watch this in my car. But no. I'm on my way to the house to lay in bed and eat cheese popcorn and chocolate-covered, peanut butter-filled pretzel nuggets as I watch on my TV. 😅 EDIT: I LOVE the sound of that Akrapovic exhaust. It makes that engine sound special, and I am not a fan of the sound of two-cylinder engines at all. But this one speaks to me, ha-ha. It's that gorgeous harmonic overtone it produces.
@@TSTindustries I just bought my 8R I wish you guys would do a video on an install of full exhaust and how to remove the ECU, in which we can ship the ecu to you guys to tune??In your opinion is the full exhaust and tune wake the bike up any?
@@MotoFlows we have the video of ecu removal on the 8S, which is exactly the same process on the 8R. The bike wakes up really nicely with exhaust and tune. Your butt dyno will notice it big time. Here is the link to the ecu removal ua-cam.com/video/W5SSPrZY50M/v-deo.htmlsi=C-bttcw6Q8SfLYM3 -BR
I have zero interest in owning something like this or the R7. Once all the manufacturers move away from the inline 4 I'll be done with the sport/hobby.
@TSTindustries I just have a feeling that the big 4 Japanese manufacturers are all going to move to the V4. I have ridden a ducati V4 and it just doesn't do it for me. Not bashing this bike but it's just not for me in fact hats off to Suzuki for Innovation. If Suzuki updated the GSXR 750 I would be at my powersports dealer putting cash on the table. I'm almost 40 and have no desire to ride anything but a sports bike.
Florida is WAYYYY too flat haha. But the suspension is very similar to the 8S. Feels solid and planted but it can be better. I'm interested in riding both the 8S and 8R back to back and seeing if the "different suspension" of the 8R is any better.
Hopefully the forks aren't too oddball in terms of internal dimensions, as I'm sure there will be suspension factories whipping out a set of cartridges in no time.
Whether it's therlse wiskers or factory clip ons, they get replaced anyway so i dont care ehat comes on the bike. I have a set of 50mm clipons sitting on the bench awaiting install this week
All of the mods we did were purely cosmetic. When we did our GSX-8S review, that bike was stock. Being that we felt this bike was basically the same, we decided to show some upgrades already available. -ML
Calling this a sport bike is a crime. Is a sport touring bike at best. I've seen "clip ons" like that on the BMW RT bike, they are not clip ons lol. Heavy, crap suspension, shit tires. This thing is sad.
What exactly do you find boring about a parallel twin? I just raced an R7 in an endurance event as part of a team of three. I felt plenty of exhilaration and excitement.
Looks nice from the front but the rest of the bike is the ugliest thing I've ever seen and I think every other bike in this class is better except the 650
If the MotoAmerica teams who run the RS660 (same class as the R7) truly keep several engines with them for backup, it's a testament how Aprilia needs to make sure the metallurgy improves, instead of stuffing rods through the side of their engines. I don't ever see Suzuki putting out a product that sends rods through the sides of blocks. Ever.
Also, when Suzuki beat Ducati in MotoGP they only had 4 bikes to run, and Ducati had an entire garage full. Suzuki doesn't even question if their bike is gonna break, because we all know it won't. Bomb proof. I've seen many GSXRs with well over 60k running like new when the ZX, Ducati and many others are falling apart.
@@jordanjoestar8839 I bought mine for exactly that reason! That and I always wanted one! 2016 GSX-S1000 I’m to old for the R model I like the S better now I can ride it all day and it still has liter bike power and handling!
Honda botched the Hornet (ugly, toyish, cheaply designed compared to the great 996cc Hornet of old). MT is long in the tooth. The Suzuki really is the best bike in its class and as usual, im not suprised at all.
Suzuki has chosen a design language for the GSX bikes, it's pretty good looking. This 8R has nice curves and smooth surfaces. I'm frankly tired of the anime robot insect look by now and glad to see a more conservative design coming out. It'll age much better.
By the videos of it being tested on track, seems like a winner so far even without suspension hardware changes. Certainly the RS660 would outgun it at max RPM but with a little tuning help this bike gains like 10 easy horsepower and about just as much torque (typically unheard of). If it has some power advantage, the extra weight compared to the R7 and RS660 will level the playing field my guess. Will be interesting to see it out battling with the others. I have to look into the MotoAmerica rules to see what mods are allowed, but last I was in there, the impression is quite a lot can be adjusted and changed for racing teams.
Thank you for doing this review! I have a 2023 8S with a little over 4,000 miles on it so far that I purchased last June. I am a middle aged rider and for my purposes, the powerplant has been perfect for my real world riding. I have often told my dad (80 and still riding!) that the 8S was a 10/10 for my purposes with the engine/transmission/usability and a 7/10 on looks. It is fine looking at some angles - but not my favorite at others. I typically forget any issues with looks though when I twist the throttle. :-) For my purposes it is wonderful in A mode with a little traction control. 6 months in and 4,100 miles later I still love it and it puts a grin on my face. Here is my question..... I'm super interested in the 8R because it looks much better to my eye. I just wanted to confirm what you said about the clip-ons. They don't change the ride angle significantly? I have never seen one in person but if the riding position is the same I may be huntiing an 8R to replace my 8S. For my longer rides or multi-day rides, comfort is important to me and the 8S is fine. Thoughts? Thanks again!
Integrated lights from a distance have no distinguished obvious signaling to other motorists. Tap the bake light, hit a signal, do a combo of each, it's all glaring blobs of light barely inches from each other, blending colors. Consider too that a lot of people with imperfect bad vision use the roadway who claim they don't see motorcyclists after they plow into them, cut across their right of way, turn across their lane, whatever. The whole idea of having lights is to show clear intention to other motorists, not to have a lighted casino exhibition piece. Legally, there's supposed to be a certain distance spacing between signals, legally there's supposed to be a minimum size of visible light that illuminates the instant a signal lights up. Legally there's a required signal blinking rate. People fancy ripping off OEM lights, and I get it, they are often hideous and ugly and merely bureaucratic compliance pieces. But the replacements also are often far worse by way of making a rider's life actually safe on a road way, telling other motorists what is intended. Companies design the showpieces and have to write fineprint to be able to sell the stuff legally and not be sued. And riders buy the stuff knowing it isn't legal (written on the product page and packaging) and ride it on public roadways ANYWAY. Aren't we all just the most interesting bunch. It's like the fun-havers removing their mirrors so they can get an extra 3 mph faster than their buddy roll racing down the interstate at 197 mph.
@@exothermal.sprocket You make some interesting points, a lot of which are true. But I have an issue with the fender on this bike in particular. I live in NYC and ride my bike mostly on local streets. Drivers tend to tail gate a lot, which is unfortunate but is the reality of it. This fender is set much lower and further behind the frame, which is an advantage on the highway, when vehicles are usually a car length or two away. But in my scenario, I’m nearly rear ended on a daily bases because they can’t tell that I’m braking. The brake light isn’t in their view, especially if they’re in an elevated vehicle like an SUV. I’ve had to resort to filtering as much as possible (which is illegal in New York) and putting myself at greater risk of an accident, just to decrease the chances of being rear ended for someone not giving enough distance between me and their vehicle… It’s unfortunate, but these are the things some people have to resort to for their safety. And, like I mentioned before, it makes the bike look way cooler. 😎
@@MrDito1209 Suzuki could have done a better job with the tail light, and still complied with the fender reaching the rear of the tire (compliance requirements). Thankfully there are better solutions so far. Another brand I've found is Evotech Performance. I still recommend keeping your signals on stalks, even if you change those to LED. It helps to see which side is lit up relative to the position of the brake/tail light. Also make sure the signal relay understands how to run LED signal lights, rather than flashing a thousand times per minute. There's a product for the back of a rider's helmet that acts like a high mount brake light. Not for everyone, and not for every helmet but it's an idea. I had an FZ1 years ago where I installed a module and LED tail, which strobed a few quick bursts before staying steady-on. That was attention grabbing and very bright. I don't think it was legal due to the mimicking of a patrol car flash rate, but I highly doubt any policeman would have complained because it was red in color and better than OEM. I still kept the standard signal stalks.
@@exothermal.sprocket you drive many good points, and I like how you packaged up the post in us riders being an interesting bunch. I agree with all you have said but i do want to clarify our stance on the subject. We cannot change what people want, or what they will end up opting for. We also believe that the choice should be made by the customer because choice is freedom. I have seen bikes built for shows only, and get trailered to and from shows. The owners of those definitely go for style and compromise visibility. Then there are those who use aftermarket equipment on the roads and take responsibility for the modifications on themselves. Those people should be focusing on visibility in my opinion. So our approach to being fair to multitude of demographics is to create a modular system capable of being customized to many needs. We offer integrated tail lights, external signal lamps, and combination lamps capable of signal/run/brake function (like our Quadrix-D). We round out the offerings with harnesses that connect everything plug-and-play style, Y-splitter harnesses that enable the use of integrated tail lights in conjunction with external signal or combo lamps, and physical mounting systems that take care of attaching the lamps to the bike. This way there are many combinations of setup that are achievable. Some examples are as follows: one of our tail lights with it's signals connected in parallel with external signal/combo lamps, one of our tail lights used as running/brake only with external signal or combo lamps in parallel, OE tail light with our signal or combo lamps replacing the OE signal lamps, any combo of OE signal lamps with pur tail light, and so on. Our product line gives the customer flexibility to choose and configure the system to their desire. The responsibility of choosing what is right and proper also rests with the customer, but that is given for any freedom that we still have.
Hey Mark, great looking bike by Suzuki! Did I hear you say $7500 dollars for the tail light unit? 😂😂😉 When is Legend Bart gonna get his hands dirty on this bad boy?😎 Cheers 👌
They are such a subtle drop from the 8S, but i ended up choosing the 8S over the 8R as im not getting any younger and that slight increase in bending over was enough to notice after 15 minutes.
This just looks like a ninja 650 with more displacement. The riding style is straight up? No where close to the R7 which had some what r6 abrasive position? Please explain?
@@chiefyy710 Sweet! Definitely gonna order one. I owned 6 different motorcycles and I never had a windshield so I’m really curious about trying one out and seeing how much it helps on longer rides.
You guys should develop lower yolk mounted clips ons, same mount as the stock ones but lower with adjustments. I prefer to be a little more leaned forward, the Daytona 660 interests me as it’s more leaned forward then this and a slightly more leaned forward then the CBR650R.
I am a fan of Suzuki but I felt, as you did, that they were asleep in the R&D department. This bike looks really appealing to me. I have been riding street bikes for about 40 years and have had over a dozen different bikes over the years. Cruisers are not my thing. This bike may be the answer. I might trade my MT07 in on one.
I have not ridden either the s nor the r but I'd probably go with the gsxs1000 naked just because I want better 0-80 acceleration, and 100+ mph buffeting would deter me from doing that because I'm not going to take it to the track, very good review though
Pretty bike. But Better bikes out there for price like the zx4r and aprilia rs457 imo. If ktm would release an rc790 it would also be a better bike if it was around 10k
As an R7 owner I can appreciate the dash and the features, especially for only $200 more. However I like the aggressive feel, seating position, and looks of the R7 wayyyy better. If I really wanted to be comfortable than I probably would’ve bought an MT07 😂
Between M4, Arrow, and Akrapovic, it's 7 to 7.4 lb weight savings with full systems. Maybe SC Project or Graves or someone else will make a full Ti system.
We currently have an aftermarket set-up on it with aftermarket clip-ons. We have a loose plan of doing a video showcasing the front assembly and the nuances of what we've done.
That same tail light is also used on gsxr600 and 750 since 2011. On this bike they mounted it in the fender so it's extra in-your-face. We had to do something with that.
Those are the most handle bar clip-ons I have ever seen lol, might as well not even call it a clip-on. I think it looks solid just wish they had made it a little more sporty like the R7 and RS660, it almost doesnt justify its existence being so similar to the GSX8S
Was looking to upgrade from my XSR 125, and fell in love with the CBR500R, seemed like the prefect bike for me. Until this one came along. At almost 50, speed no longer being a decisive factor, I really should stick to the CBR. But hot damn, that torque! Gonna be a tough choice but already leaning towards the GSX8R as my new found love.
That's one of the most common things about motorcycles under 12-14 grand. Suspension just typically isn't where all the money is going to go. What I do look for, however, is that the bones are good enough to swap a set of fork cartridges into, and a good 3-way shock, both with springs for my body weight.
@@ganuvien R7 suspension is not garbage, and neither is it remotely the same as the MT-07. It's not going to be high end Ohlins, but it's not MT-like either.
I'm holding back on major mods on my 8S waiting to see if Suzuki busts out a version of this like the SV1000 GT. If not there are some bags from SW Motech, Suzuki, and problaze that all look like the exact same bag.
I have an sv but unfortunately I’m not digging this you look awkward riding it? I’m disappointed not with TST version but the look of the bike out on the road maybe it’s the clip ons? Good review though. It may grow on me in a way it reminds me of an 80s Katana
Great review. But i dont know the sense of this bike. It's the standard bike with only some covers... The engine has a lack of cv... It has not the mood of the old gsxr 750....
We get the yellow model as well in addition to this one and a blue model. My personal favorite is the yellow but we completely get that looks are subjective.
Why is it the newe bigger bikes has less hp than i had gsxr 750 srads fi and carb and both has much more power why is that is safety or vtwin motor or i dont know im missing something just dont know what.
Honestly it seems like a great bike and tuners are already getting close to 90hp/60ish TQ (2 Wheel Dynoworks) out of these bikes. I'd almost say it's like a Japanese Tuono with the way it looks but better reliability I bet. Definitely looking forward to this bike getting some aftermarket love because it just might be a perfect daily rider.
Although part of me wishes I waited for the 8R to come out before I got my 8S. I think I prefer the look of my bike just a litttttle bit more. I still want a fully faired bike, but a true supersport and middle weight naked bike stable sounds better haha.
Coming from the GSXR750 back in the day, I don't get it. Even way back in the 80s the R750 produced 120hp with an exhaust and revved 14k and like 20kg weight diff. A bike with 8R performance and handlebar position would have been a touring bike. Earning the R badge used to mean something and meant the bike was vastly different, it wasn't for everyone.
it came as a big surprise to me since i expected an 8S like GSXR but the higher handlebars makes it really appealing - its on my list for 2024 now
Thank you for posting! There's virtually no hands-on videos available for this bike. It looks AMAZING!
Agreed!
The press embargo hasn't been lifted yet, but TST got their own retail bike. The press embargo should be lifted next week afiak
That's because it blows
@@emporergrimes Just like your mother!
It would make a good light sport tourer if it had cruise control and adaptive for luggage. I also kicked my MT07 to the curb for a ZX4RR. I'm not rally a fan for the sound of parallel twins except for retro's. The music of the in line 4's just adds to my ride now.
U traded ur beginer bike for another weak baby beginer girls bike 400cc lmao 70hp 🤣😂🤡🌈
Fully agree! I have z650rs and getting zx4r in spring (already paid). Parellel twin "superbikes" are boring.
I'm currently on a FZ07 for a few years now. I've been debating adding another bike to the stable. I too am interested in the ZX4RR,and am curious why you chose it of the 6R?
My inseam is around 27" and I have owned a Triumph Street Triple before. I never used all the power in it as long as I had it. I had it for 5 years. The ZX6R just had more power then I would ever us and It is too tall for me. I love the looks of the all black ZX6R and actually thought of buying one. I sat on it and took pictures. It would probably get me into a lot of trouble. The ZX4RR is perfect for me and what I want it for. Back country roads with a lot of curves. I'll never go to a track. @@nclements79
Well the length of my legs, cost of insurance, and gas. I just didn't need to be doing over 140 mph that much.@@nclements79
Just put my deposit down for a black 8S, and i cannot wait to ride it, youve done a great job hyping me 😂
I think you will likel it very much.
I loooooove seeing my guy Mark on the new 8R. That's a winning combination if you ask me!! Well done Sir.
Thanks for the love, Steve! Hoping to see you at the track soon!
🔥🔥🔥🔥 that bike looks great on the road
Thanks for the view and the love!
Looks fabulous without the factory tail piece.
We got that under control 😉
@@TSTindustries
I just bought an 8R yesterday and your rear end kit is absolutelythe first thing that happens to her when I get it home.
How much did the guy say was the tail tidy?
I would buy it if it had true supersport clip ons and adjustable rear suspension. Hopefully the aftermarket comes out to fix this.
Was looking at getting an mt07 because I didn't care for the look of the 8s but now seeing this I may just swing to the 8r.
Go ride both and choose the bike that hits all of your checkboxes! -TST
I am thinking that I would love this bike. However, I want to test ride it first and here in the Virginia Beach area none of the dealers offer test rides. I think Suzuki should just donate a bike for us to try out in this area if they want to sell to this area.
trippy camera work
how do you think this bike would fit with a shorter rider?
I'm short too. Bike has 31.9 inch seat height so I can't ride it.
Us the quik shifter both up and down shifting
Hold on... is that white f150 your camera car or do you use two 360 X3's? This video is so seamless its insane. How do you do it? I'm in the Tampa area... might have to make a ride north on the SDR... hmm
You riding the bike, let the engine travel a bit more (you are shifting way too quick) 8R got stiff suspension, the S is softer makes a huge difference. Love the video,
Listen to the bike. 😅
I was gonna watch this in my car. But no. I'm on my way to the house to lay in bed and eat cheese popcorn and chocolate-covered, peanut butter-filled pretzel nuggets as I watch on my TV. 😅
EDIT: I LOVE the sound of that Akrapovic exhaust. It makes that engine sound special, and I am not a fan of the sound of two-cylinder engines at all.
But this one speaks to me, ha-ha. It's that gorgeous harmonic overtone it produces.
Thanks for the view and the feedback, we hope you enjoyed your snacks! 😂
i ride a gsxr750. i think the 8r will be a good retirement bike
It needs an extra 15HP and cruise control and it would be considerably interesting than the RS660 and Honda 650R
Nice looking bike wish suzuki built it lighter
beautiful bike
Thanks for the feedback and the view! - TST
Did you say racing? So there will be some forks that aren’t trash ?????
My gsxr600 L2 would be perfect with that front fairing and tft dashboard 😅!!!!!!!!!
Did you ryde it in the A mode ...for sport bike
Yes, I rode it in all 3 modes with A mode being the most "aggressive". It's a VERY fun bike and I think you will love it!
With full alprovich exhaust does it still need a tune? Could I just install the full exhaust with no tune without hurting the motor???
Anytime you’re changing your intake or exhaust components you should absolutely get a tune. -ML
@@TSTindustries I just bought my 8R I wish you guys would do a video on an install of full exhaust and how to remove the ECU, in which we can ship the ecu to you guys to tune??In your opinion is the full exhaust and tune wake the bike up any?
@@MotoFlows we have the video of ecu removal on the 8S, which is exactly the same process on the 8R. The bike wakes up really nicely with exhaust and tune. Your butt dyno will notice it big time. Here is the link to the ecu removal ua-cam.com/video/W5SSPrZY50M/v-deo.htmlsi=C-bttcw6Q8SfLYM3
-BR
I have zero interest in owning something like this or the R7. Once all the manufacturers move away from the inline 4 I'll be done with the sport/hobby.
That's hard to hear but to each their own! Luckily, I think there will be inline-4 production bikes for plenty of years to come. - Mark
@TSTindustries I just have a feeling that the big 4 Japanese manufacturers are all going to move to the V4. I have ridden a ducati V4 and it just doesn't do it for me. Not bashing this bike but it's just not for me in fact hats off to Suzuki for Innovation. If Suzuki updated the GSXR 750 I would be at my powersports dealer putting cash on the table. I'm almost 40 and have no desire to ride anything but a sports bike.
So you could ride this for many hours due to its upright seat positioning? or do you get wrist fatigue after an hour or so?
What jacket is that ?
An old Alpinestars one that's in desperate need of a refresh haha!
no guaranties no returns? cool selling catch phrase
Not much chat on the suspension or did I miss it? Or is Florida too flat 😅
Florida is WAYYYY too flat haha. But the suspension is very similar to the 8S. Feels solid and planted but it can be better. I'm interested in riding both the 8S and 8R back to back and seeing if the "different suspension" of the 8R is any better.
@@TSTindustries The product release video Suzuki UK did claimed 30% stiffer IIRC
Hopefully the forks aren't too oddball in terms of internal dimensions, as I'm sure there will be suspension factories whipping out a set of cartridges in no time.
Andreani is working on a set and we will be offering it on our website once they are available!@@exothermal.sprocket
@@TSTindustries Very nice!
I'm sure Ohlins will have NIX set too, within a year.
Too bad about the 80's venture 1200 handlebars
Whether it's therlse wiskers or factory clip ons, they get replaced anyway so i dont care ehat comes on the bike. I have a set of 50mm clipons sitting on the bench awaiting install this week
@@TSTindustries That should look better ..
@@TSTindustries Have you installed clipons? Where can I see it??
Would be nice to see a stock bike..... not sure why you guys thought it was a good idea to mod this then review it?
All of the mods we did were purely cosmetic. When we did our GSX-8S review, that bike was stock. Being that we felt this bike was basically the same, we decided to show some upgrades already available. -ML
RAM effect? Joker.
Calling this a sport bike is a crime. Is a sport touring bike at best. I've seen "clip ons" like that on the BMW RT bike, they are not clip ons lol. Heavy, crap suspension, shit tires. This thing is sad.
american chopper handlebars again
for the same money, it is better to buy the suzuki katana 1000 150bhp
Parallel twins are just so boring
What exactly do you find boring about a parallel twin? I just raced an R7 in an endurance event as part of a team of three. I felt plenty of exhilaration and excitement.
Looks nice from the front but the rest of the bike is the ugliest thing I've ever seen and I think every other bike in this class is better except the 650
You might also think cake and ice cream tastes gross.
@@exothermal.sprocket let me guess you like this junk
If the MotoAmerica teams who run the RS660 (same class as the R7) truly keep several engines with them for backup, it's a testament how Aprilia needs to make sure the metallurgy improves, instead of stuffing rods through the side of their engines.
I don't ever see Suzuki putting out a product that sends rods through the sides of blocks. Ever.
Bingo!
Also, when Suzuki beat Ducati in MotoGP they only had 4 bikes to run, and Ducati had an entire garage full.
Suzuki doesn't even question if their bike is gonna break, because we all know it won't. Bomb proof. I've seen many GSXRs with well over 60k running like new when the ZX, Ducati and many others are falling apart.
@@jordanjoestar8839 I bought mine for exactly that reason! That and I always wanted one! 2016 GSX-S1000 I’m to old for the R model I like the S better now I can ride it all day and it still has liter bike power and handling!
Honda botched the Hornet (ugly, toyish, cheaply designed compared to the great 996cc Hornet of old).
MT is long in the tooth. The Suzuki really is the best bike in its class and as usual, im not suprised at all.
Front of this bike looks so mean, I dig it. Love everything about these and definitely would consider it if I was replacing my Ninja 650.
Do it!
I have a Gen 3 Hayabusa and I immediately noticed how it looks from the front somewhat like a baby Gen 3 'Busa with an aftermarket headlight. 😁
Suzuki has chosen a design language for the GSX bikes, it's pretty good looking. This 8R has nice curves and smooth surfaces. I'm frankly tired of the anime robot insect look by now and glad to see a more conservative design coming out. It'll age much better.
@@exothermal.sprocket I'm with you on this one.
-BR
Can’t wait to see how this is gonna stack up in the twins cup class.
Us either!
By the videos of it being tested on track, seems like a winner so far even without suspension hardware changes. Certainly the RS660 would outgun it at max RPM but with a little tuning help this bike gains like 10 easy horsepower and about just as much torque (typically unheard of). If it has some power advantage, the extra weight compared to the R7 and RS660 will level the playing field my guess. Will be interesting to see it out battling with the others. I have to look into the MotoAmerica rules to see what mods are allowed, but last I was in there, the impression is quite a lot can be adjusted and changed for racing teams.
Thank you for doing this review! I have a 2023 8S with a little over 4,000 miles on it so far that I purchased last June. I am a middle aged rider and for my purposes, the powerplant has been perfect for my real world riding. I have often told my dad (80 and still riding!) that the 8S was a 10/10 for my purposes with the engine/transmission/usability and a 7/10 on looks. It is fine looking at some angles - but not my favorite at others. I typically forget any issues with looks though when I twist the throttle. :-) For my purposes it is wonderful in A mode with a little traction control. 6 months in and 4,100 miles later I still love it and it puts a grin on my face. Here is my question..... I'm super interested in the 8R because it looks much better to my eye. I just wanted to confirm what you said about the clip-ons. They don't change the ride angle significantly? I have never seen one in person but if the riding position is the same I may be huntiing an 8R to replace my 8S. For my longer rides or multi-day rides, comfort is important to me and the 8S is fine. Thoughts? Thanks again!
I'm waiting for the s8 GT!
Bikes with full fairings, in cross wind conditions will always be pushed more than a naked bike as the fairings act a bit like a sail.
I need that integrated tail light! It makes the 8S/8R look so much better!
Later this year!
Integrated lights from a distance have no distinguished obvious signaling to other motorists. Tap the bake light, hit a signal, do a combo of each, it's all glaring blobs of light barely inches from each other, blending colors. Consider too that a lot of people with imperfect bad vision use the roadway who claim they don't see motorcyclists after they plow into them, cut across their right of way, turn across their lane, whatever. The whole idea of having lights is to show clear intention to other motorists, not to have a lighted casino exhibition piece. Legally, there's supposed to be a certain distance spacing between signals, legally there's supposed to be a minimum size of visible light that illuminates the instant a signal lights up. Legally there's a required signal blinking rate. People fancy ripping off OEM lights, and I get it, they are often hideous and ugly and merely bureaucratic compliance pieces. But the replacements also are often far worse by way of making a rider's life actually safe on a road way, telling other motorists what is intended. Companies design the showpieces and have to write fineprint to be able to sell the stuff legally and not be sued. And riders buy the stuff knowing it isn't legal (written on the product page and packaging) and ride it on public roadways ANYWAY.
Aren't we all just the most interesting bunch. It's like the fun-havers removing their mirrors so they can get an extra 3 mph faster than their buddy roll racing down the interstate at 197 mph.
@@exothermal.sprocket You make some interesting points, a lot of which are true. But I have an issue with the fender on this bike in particular. I live in NYC and ride my bike mostly on local streets. Drivers tend to tail gate a lot, which is unfortunate but is the reality of it. This fender is set much lower and further behind the frame, which is an advantage on the highway, when vehicles are usually a car length or two away. But in my scenario, I’m nearly rear ended on a daily bases because they can’t tell that I’m braking. The brake light isn’t in their view, especially if they’re in an elevated vehicle like an SUV. I’ve had to resort to filtering as much as possible (which is illegal in New York) and putting myself at greater risk of an accident, just to decrease the chances of being rear ended for someone not giving enough distance between me and their vehicle… It’s unfortunate, but these are the things some people have to resort to for their safety. And, like I mentioned before, it makes the bike look way cooler. 😎
@@MrDito1209 Suzuki could have done a better job with the tail light, and still complied with the fender reaching the rear of the tire (compliance requirements). Thankfully there are better solutions so far. Another brand I've found is Evotech Performance. I still recommend keeping your signals on stalks, even if you change those to LED. It helps to see which side is lit up relative to the position of the brake/tail light. Also make sure the signal relay understands how to run LED signal lights, rather than flashing a thousand times per minute.
There's a product for the back of a rider's helmet that acts like a high mount brake light. Not for everyone, and not for every helmet but it's an idea.
I had an FZ1 years ago where I installed a module and LED tail, which strobed a few quick bursts before staying steady-on. That was attention grabbing and very bright. I don't think it was legal due to the mimicking of a patrol car flash rate, but I highly doubt any policeman would have complained because it was red in color and better than OEM. I still kept the standard signal stalks.
@@exothermal.sprocket you drive many good points, and I like how you packaged up the post in us riders being an interesting bunch. I agree with all you have said but i do want to clarify our stance on the subject. We cannot change what people want, or what they will end up opting for. We also believe that the choice should be made by the customer because choice is freedom. I have seen bikes built for shows only, and get trailered to and from shows. The owners of those definitely go for style and compromise visibility. Then there are those who use aftermarket equipment on the roads and take responsibility for the modifications on themselves. Those people should be focusing on visibility in my opinion. So our approach to being fair to multitude of demographics is to create a modular system capable of being customized to many needs. We offer integrated tail lights, external signal lamps, and combination lamps capable of signal/run/brake function (like our Quadrix-D). We round out the offerings with harnesses that connect everything plug-and-play style, Y-splitter harnesses that enable the use of integrated tail lights in conjunction with external signal or combo lamps, and physical mounting systems that take care of attaching the lamps to the bike. This way there are many combinations of setup that are achievable. Some examples are as follows: one of our tail lights with it's signals connected in parallel with external signal/combo lamps, one of our tail lights used as running/brake only with external signal or combo lamps in parallel, OE tail light with our signal or combo lamps replacing the OE signal lamps, any combo of OE signal lamps with pur tail light, and so on. Our product line gives the customer flexibility to choose and configure the system to their desire. The responsibility of choosing what is right and proper also rests with the customer, but that is given for any freedom that we still have.
Hey Mark, great looking bike by Suzuki! Did I hear you say $7500 dollars for the tail light unit? 😂😂😉
When is Legend Bart gonna get his hands dirty on this bad boy?😎
Cheers 👌
I was thinking the same thing. $7,500?
I always hated on suzuki because of the rider stereotype, but this bike has had me questioning my bias....bleh. Nrrrrrrrrrrr
those clipons are practically handlebars
Yep!
They are such a subtle drop from the 8S, but i ended up choosing the 8S over the 8R as im not getting any younger and that slight increase in bending over was enough to notice after 15 minutes.
The GSX8R is another glorified, underpowered, overpriced beginner bike like the R7. Not a real supersport. Get a 4 cylinder supersport bike.
Not everybody watches “biker boyz” on their vcr until the tape breaks 🤔
That shot angle at 7:25 is so good 👌🏽
Our media team did a great job on this one.
This just looks like a ninja 650 with more displacement. The riding style is straight up? No where close to the R7 which had some what r6 abrasive position? Please explain?
More displacement yet only +3 on the top speed? Ninja 650 says 131 top speed and I believe he said GSX8R was 134. 🤷🏻♂️
8s owner and installed the puig touring windshield today... love the bike!
That a good looking windshield, might pick myself up one too. Did it make a big difference?
@@HifeMan only ridden for about 10 min since I installed it but it seemed very nice so far. And I’m 6’5 so it’s gotta deflect high
I actually love the design of Puig's windhsield. I installed the touring on my 800DE and I'm loving it !
@@chiefyy710 Sweet! Definitely gonna order one. I owned 6 different motorcycles and I never had a windshield so I’m really curious about trying one out and seeing how much it helps on longer rides.
Testing it in a road with curves would be interesting.. there's not much to test going straight for half an hour
Yeah, but we're in Florida so no real "curves" in our area without riding over an hour away.
I'm a Suzuki 8R owner loving it!!
looking at this and the new Daytona 660 hmmm good to have choices
The market is always in a great place when multiple options are available!
Uh.... you know a speed triple 765r is a much better motorcycle for 500$ more right ?.... right ?
@@ellwoodwolf Uh.... you know a Speed Triple is 1160cc right? .... right?
You guys should develop lower yolk mounted clips ons, same mount as the stock ones but lower with adjustments. I prefer to be a little more leaned forward, the Daytona 660 interests me as it’s more leaned forward then this and a slightly more leaned forward then the CBR650R.
We're toying with a few different ideas.
I liked the concept bike way more. This just looks like a shrunk down GT.
Love your products, guys. Cheers from Bulgaria!
Thanks for the love!
The front end, in particular looks much better than the GSX 8S.
I am a fan of Suzuki but I felt, as you did, that they were asleep in the R&D department. This bike looks really appealing to me. I have been riding street bikes for about 40 years and have had over a dozen different bikes over the years. Cruisers are not my thing. This bike may be the answer. I might trade my MT07 in on one.
Bonzer Vid 👏, Yamaha owner love the look of this new R from suzuki,
Thanks for the view and the feedback!
I have not ridden either the s nor the r but I'd probably go with the gsxs1000 naked just because I want better 0-80 acceleration, and 100+ mph buffeting would deter me from doing that because I'm not going to take it to the track, very good review though
Pretty bike. But Better bikes out there for price like the zx4r and aprilia rs457 imo. If ktm would release an rc790 it would also be a better bike if it was around 10k
As an R7 owner I can appreciate the dash and the features, especially for only $200 more. However I like the aggressive feel, seating position, and looks of the R7 wayyyy better. If I really wanted to be comfortable than I probably would’ve bought an MT07 😂
Thank you man for this beautiful video❤🎉
Question.. seeing that you have a akra exhaust on, were you able to weigh the stock exhaust when you removed it? If so what was the difference?
There's about a 7 lb difference!
@@TSTindustries thank you for answering!
Between M4, Arrow, and Akrapovic, it's 7 to 7.4 lb weight savings with full systems. Maybe SC Project or Graves or someone else will make a full Ti system.
Best all a rounder middleweight on the market right now or so it seems . Suzuki 🤘
Still waiting for a proper second ride review... on some twisties..i have alot of questions left unanswered.
Yeah..... we don't have those in Florida haha. But we will absolutely be taking this thing to the track sometime this year!
Big 4 is : Yamaha, Honda , Kawasaki, Suzuki. Not Aprilia. 😝
Picking mine up next weekend, silver & red. First motorbike after 15 years off two wheels. South Wales UK.
Great to hear! We can't wait to hear your thoughts on this ride. -TST
I appreciate that he mention Benelli in the store. I respect every motorcycle brand out there. Gsx 8r is such a beautiful bike
this thing is a beauty,,,
Question, with your stock tail fender removed the way your Plate being placed at the back is it legal in general? In the states that is.
You would have to check your local laws as they change from state to state and sometimes even city to city. - Mark
Are you guys gonna prepare some more sporty handle bars or clipons for 8R?? Just to get the position more sporty! It would be really awesome!!!
We currently have an aftermarket set-up on it with aftermarket clip-ons. We have a loose plan of doing a video showcasing the front assembly and the nuances of what we've done.
Can the clip ons be raised so your not leant forward as much ?
Pardon me....what is your height? I did not hear that mentioned in video.
5'7"
@@TSTindustries Thx for response. So it's clearly not for my 6'4" because of the shape of the tank. At least their VStrom 800DE is superb for me.
Thank you tst for getting rid of the ugly factory sv650 tailight contraption
That same tail light is also used on gsxr600 and 750 since 2011. On this bike they mounted it in the fender so it's extra in-your-face. We had to do something with that.
lolwut? don't take a naked on the highway?
Those are the most handle bar clip-ons I have ever seen lol, might as well not even call it a clip-on. I think it looks solid just wish they had made it a little more sporty like the R7 and RS660, it almost doesnt justify its existence being so similar to the GSX8S
61 kw out of a new 800 yeah right talk all you like its dull as dish water and the paint work looks awful.
Different strokes for different folks. 🤷♂
Was looking to upgrade from my XSR 125, and fell in love with the CBR500R, seemed like the prefect bike for me.
Until this one came along.
At almost 50, speed no longer being a decisive factor, I really should stick to the CBR.
But hot damn, that torque!
Gonna be a tough choice but already leaning towards the GSX8R as my new found love.
Why can’t Suzuki put this dash on the gsx-s1000?
It's probably coming in a generation change.
I think I would rather have adjustable suspension rather than the QS and ride modes. I see it needing a $1500 upgrade day 1.. love the looks.
That's one of the most common things about motorcycles under 12-14 grand. Suspension just typically isn't where all the money is going to go. What I do look for, however, is that the bones are good enough to swap a set of fork cartridges into, and a good 3-way shock, both with springs for my body weight.
Budget bikes never come with good suspension anyways, even the MT07/R7 suspension is still garbage and needs upgrading for serious riders.
@@ganuvien R7 suspension is not garbage, and neither is it remotely the same as the MT-07. It's not going to be high end Ohlins, but it's not MT-like either.
Any ideas what the 2025 colors will be? Hoping for white and red
@@Theguy702 unfortunately we do not have that information.
Great video. What happened to mt-03 build series!!
I didn't know you were in my state. I am in Apollo Beach
Yep, we’re right here in Central FL.
Great review.
Do you think, it is possible to make this bike into sports tourer?
I'm holding back on major mods on my 8S waiting to see if Suzuki busts out a version of this like the SV1000 GT. If not there are some bags from SW Motech, Suzuki, and problaze that all look like the exact same bag.
I have an sv but unfortunately I’m not digging this you look awkward riding it? I’m disappointed not with TST version but the look of the bike out on the road maybe it’s the clip ons? Good review though. It may grow on me in a way it reminds me of an 80s Katana
Great review. But i dont know the sense of this bike. It's the standard bike with only some covers... The engine has a lack of cv... It has not the mood of the old gsxr 750....
Silver looks so good. NZ gets yellow instead, which is well, yellow...
We get the yellow model as well in addition to this one and a blue model. My personal favorite is the yellow but we completely get that looks are subjective.
Beautiful bike, i want one🏍️🏍️😍
Why is it the newe bigger bikes has less hp than i had gsxr 750 srads fi and carb and both has much more power why is that is safety or vtwin motor or i dont know im missing something just dont know what.
Does it have rear brake lights or turn signals with the fender taken off??
It does! We offer our Fender Eliminator with an external signal set-up or you can go with our Integrated Tail Light which will be available very soon.
I just got my 2024 R8 today and loving it!!!
This bike is going to be great
Agreed!
I wouldnt name this steering clipons, I would call them bolt ons or just fixed. Youre not cliping it on the forks
Honestly it seems like a great bike and tuners are already getting close to 90hp/60ish TQ (2 Wheel Dynoworks) out of these bikes. I'd almost say it's like a Japanese Tuono with the way it looks but better reliability I bet. Definitely looking forward to this bike getting some aftermarket love because it just might be a perfect daily rider.
Looks comfortable.
Although part of me wishes I waited for the 8R to come out before I got my 8S. I think I prefer the look of my bike just a litttttle bit more. I still want a fully faired bike, but a true supersport and middle weight naked bike stable sounds better haha.
7500 for a tail light what are you smoking
@@todddurst53 that joke flew way over your head, huh? 😅
Coming from the GSXR750 back in the day, I don't get it.
Even way back in the 80s the R750 produced 120hp with an exhaust and revved 14k and like 20kg weight diff.
A bike with 8R performance and handlebar position would have been a touring bike.
Earning the R badge used to mean something and meant the bike was vastly different, it wasn't for everyone.
From day one of it being announced i argued they should have named it 8f not 8r and watching this review has confirmed it for me.