The red and white color-scheme, penchant for the blade, their original sense of honor (such as their abhorrent of the Dark Angels torturing), and a bit of their naming convention leads me to believe they're White Scars successors.
Same. Call out Dark Angels for being jerks and get reprimanded. Then get tricked into killing your own people. A trick a bunch of your "allies" only avoided because they were being petty towards you. Then because you actually care about the people you killed the guilt eventually sends you crazy.
And once again, the Dark Angles being callous, inflexible pricks starts yet another faction of loyal soldiers onto the path of damnation. Good job guys!
Are we sure the Dark Angles aren't secretly a traitor legion, slowly destroying the imperium from the inside, sort of like how the Alpha legion might be doing to chaos?
@@dwavenminer look man as a Dark Angels fan I know how big of pricks they are but they are sons of the Lion, the most loyal Primarch, it is their caution for any news of the Fallen getting out, so yes they are pricks but there is a reason for being pricks.
@@SirSolomonAriel most loyal primary? The man was a fence sitter who blew up his home planet because half his legion chose to follow the emperor and not him. As they believed him to be a traitor now they despretly run arround trying to hide the fact that they are fence sitting traitors.
@@themagickgoblin840 "fence sitter"? did you read the books? he literally said "Loyalty is its own reward" when he went to Ultramar, the Emperor did ask "why is the Lion going to Ultramar?' he asked "what did Guilliman doing to make the Lion go to Ultramar?" the man had not a disloyal bone in his body his problem was that his people skills were piss poor.
"viewing them as impudent upstarts" But don't the Dark Angels view _virtually all other Space Marine Chapters_ as "impudent upstarts"? The Crimson Sabres should have seen that as a badge of honor, not shame when you think about it...
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As much as it sickens me I think it is possible the Crimson Sabres might be an Ultramarines successor chapter. The Imperium is glad to see Guilliman back but quite a few of the High Lords of Terra are less than thrilled to see him back and are even less impressed that Guilliman denounced them as something akin to the very slavers and swine the Imperium originally fought against during the Great Crusade. Its likely some of them planned to set up the Chapter to go to the planet so they could slaughter innocents so they could label them as traitors in order to make Guilliman look like a tyrant.
I think the crimson sabers' fall happened before guilliman was resurrected. Tbh the goddamn inquisitor that sent them on that fateful massacre mission was probably enthralled by tzeentch.
Simple: They all descend from the legendary mercenary Griffith. Who else would be stalwart in their actions only to fall due to a fatal mistake only to be reborn as enemies of mankind. Kudos to those who know the reference.
@Winter's Destruction Griffith slept with Princess Charlotte (His mistake), got imprisoned and tortured (His fall) and sacrificing the Band Of the Hawk (His rebirth). This was AFTER he is known for his military achievements beforehand. Plus he uses a rapier as a weapon thus the joke as the Crimson Sabers descending from him.
II and 11 just saying, also isn't it weird how one pimarch was supposedly messed up beyond serviceability yet you supposedly still had 20 legions? And that the custodians weirdly doesn't have a pimarch?
@@ultra-papasmurf yes created to guard him like any legion created for a task but they still stand a step removed like the common astartes, they're even created like astartes. Afaik we don't have a definite answer to their template even if we have a surplus of named candidates. The fact remains that it's pointed out that there are 20 legions and even said by people in the know like Malcador, Guilliman and Cawl that there were 20 primarchs so even if we disregard the tube guy I count 21, unless there was some creative accounting and memory engrams to cover up the slight of hand needed to create an astartes intelligence branch where one literal hand doesn't know what the other is doing the basic math doesn't add up.
Just to clarify, this was a joke about the amount of videos concerning the "genetic heritage of" a chapter. I'm suggesting that it's only a matter of time before he starts making these videos about the big 18 legions.
Salamanders are most susceptible to mutations ? Not Space Wolves, not damn Bloody Angels, but the Salamanders ? O_o Wow ! I wonder what percentage the Thousand Sons had :)
The sheer number of useful planets that were destroyed in their home system suggests to me that they are of the Ultramarines with that kind of affluence.
Honestly, I'd forgotten about this chapter, which is a shame! Their scheme, logo, and background are all very cool. Kinda makes me want to make a loyalist version for tabletop.
so....Imperial Fists or Ultramarines..... I mean the Imperial Fists have sired a successor chapter called the Crimson Fists. Crimson Fists...Crimson Sabres..bam problem solved.
4:53 Considering this is 40k, you'd think this would be be something that is pretty understandable. Let's be honest, what chapter *hasn't* accidentally genocided an entire culture. Even Magnus, who sincerely loved Papa E, has fucked up like this at this point.
I think you might have been a bit too quick to discount Blood Angels as a parent Chapter; consider! 1. Penchant for close quarters combat and particularly bladed weapons. These could also contribute toward a Dark Angels theory, but in the context of other evidence I think it leans Blood Angels. 2. While they did not experience the Thirst or the Rage per se, they did develop the Haunting after they began to slide toward perdition, which could easily have been the manifestation of a latent geneseed flaw--in this case, Sanguinius'.
Great vid! One thing stuck out to me, is there still a loyalist splinter of the Crimson Sabres still running around? Does the voices affect them as well?
the fourth company grabbed some ships and split away from the chapter as a whole, their last known hideout was back on rhogon, the voices afflict them still but they chose to remain loyal.
It would be hard to say as there are hundreds if not thousands of astartes chapters whom many on their origins are lost, hidden or forgotten. There are a few chapters that is speculated to be descended from loyalist elements of traitor legions, the carchadons and blood ravens immediately comes to mind.
Ahhh first they started on Rhoghon and then the third planet of Drogsh? Put those two words together and you have a lovely Indian dish!(Rogan Josh!) Am hungry now
Wait, how is the Salamanders gene seed unsuitable? Because they look a bit odd and have an unhealthy obsession with fire? That's *stable AF* by astartes gene seed standards.
Because their geneseed is also noted to have a 90% chance of developing additional mutations and defects. Plus, prior to the Ultima Founding, the Salamanders officially had _zero_ successor chapters.
Red ones go faster! | 1:14 - I'm guessing that there's at least the suspicion of the fallen being there. | 2:30 - A death sentence for a Space Marine chapter. | 7:25 - Nah, no Red Thirst or Black Rage. | 8:30 - Yeah, as if they were, they'd have no problem with what they did. | 10:30 - At least before the Primaris Marines. | 13:28 - (monotone) All hail the Ultrasmurfs. | 14:17 - Do they look Asian enough as they should resemble their Primarch, based on how gene-seed works?
How were chapters with unknown heritage reinforced with Primaris marines? How would the adeptus mechanicus know which stock to give them reinforcements from?
Irony is that the Emperor would have ordered those civilians killed for disobeying the laws about no worship and the eddict of the imperial truth. All the legions did just that on Terra and everywhere else.
Isnt it stated that Imperial Fists simply choose not to have those organs implanted due to them regarding those certain organs to be unnecessary rather than being a defect. Iam pretty sure this was documented in a codex. That could still make them Imperial Fist succesor.
From page 21 of the 8th edition Imperial Fist codex supplement: _In the case of the Imperial Fists, _*_imperfections of gene-seed_*_ have robbed them of the sus-an membrane that allows a Space Marine to enter a state of suspended animation. Nor do they posses a Betcher's gland, which enables an Astartes to spit poison at his foe. Naturally, the Imperial Fists mourn neither loss. Indeed, Chapter luminary Rhetoricus was known to proclaim that such abilities are mere crutches for less-accomplished warriors_ As we can see, the lack of such organs is due to gene-seed deficiencies as opposed to the chapter merely choosing to not make use of such implants.
Unknown. No one is totally sure where the Blanks’ abilities come from. And don’t worry about your English. The only thing you got wrong was misspelling “ability” :)
Yes that was a retcon that was made official as of the First Founding source book (the other statements made on the Warhammer Community website prior to the book's release don't count, since the site is notorious for getting facts wrong lol). However, when this video was made, the Black Dragons themselves (along with the Storm Giants) were stated in-universe to only be _rumoured_ to be related to the Salamanders.
Sorry REMLIEZ but this is NOT CANON. The true name of the crimson sabers is CRIMSON DRAGONBLADES herknes made them and they ARE CANON more CANON than the comedy goblins more CANON than the monkeys so please wake up anad retcon this vdieo or i will have you use my dark arts sourceryies on your mr gamers workshop apollogistis ...Okay. I had to get that out of my system. Great video as always, Remleiz!
Is no one going to comment on the fact that their Chapter Master was called Nigel? Shouldn't they be called the Crimson Received Stamps, and they're chapter's coat of arms be a Bic and Ruler crossed over a white field with light blue horizontal lines and a light pink vertical line on the left hand side? 😜😂
Getting real tired of the Dark Angels and their detrimental obsession with the Fallen. Like I think the DA are really cool thematically but them constantly screwing over other Imperials gets old quick.
The red and white color-scheme, penchant for the blade, their original sense of honor (such as their abhorrent of the Dark Angels torturing), and a bit of their naming convention leads me to believe they're White Scars successors.
What he said.
Exactly
I found their fall to Chaos to be particularly sad.
Same. Call out Dark Angels for being jerks and get reprimanded. Then get tricked into killing your own people. A trick a bunch of your "allies" only avoided because they were being petty towards you. Then because you actually care about the people you killed the guilt eventually sends you crazy.
Big Agree
Plot Twist: Those Dark Angels are Alpharius.
The fate of those who try to be actual good guys...
I am Alpharius.
And once again, the Dark Angles being callous, inflexible pricks starts yet another faction of loyal soldiers onto the path of damnation. Good job guys!
The meme is here for a reason.
Are we sure the Dark Angles aren't secretly a traitor legion, slowly destroying the imperium from the inside, sort of like how the Alpha legion might be doing to chaos?
@@dwavenminer look man as a Dark Angels fan I know how big of pricks they are but they are sons of the Lion, the most loyal Primarch, it is their caution for any news of the Fallen getting out, so yes they are pricks but there is a reason for being pricks.
@@SirSolomonAriel most loyal primary? The man was a fence sitter who blew up his home planet because half his legion chose to follow the emperor and not him. As they believed him to be a traitor now they despretly run arround trying to hide the fact that they are fence sitting traitors.
@@themagickgoblin840 "fence sitter"? did you read the books? he literally said "Loyalty is its own reward" when he went to Ultramar, the Emperor did ask "why is the Lion going to Ultramar?' he asked "what did Guilliman doing to make the Lion go to Ultramar?" the man had not a disloyal bone in his body his problem was that his people skills were piss poor.
"viewing them as impudent upstarts" But don't the Dark Angels view _virtually all other Space Marine Chapters_ as "impudent upstarts"? The Crimson Sabres should have seen that as a badge of honor, not shame when you think about it...
When in doubt about a chapter heritage it's usually Ultramarines.
my theory is that the ultra marines just are the only ones who write down how many successors they have.
And by extension, the II and XI Legions.
Those darn blueberries.
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Crimson Slaughters are my favourite chaos warband. Their story is grand and tragic, they look cool and their master is a total badass
I think that Tacticia Imperialis did a good job in describing the story of the Crimson Sabres transition to the Crimson Slaughter.
It’s either ultra or white scars, if they were iron hands they would be more mechanical than human if they kept in contact with the parent chapter.
As much as it sickens me I think it is possible the Crimson Sabres might be an Ultramarines successor chapter. The Imperium is glad to see Guilliman back but quite a few of the High Lords of Terra are less than thrilled to see him back and are even less impressed that Guilliman denounced them as something akin to the very slavers and swine the Imperium originally fought against during the Great Crusade. Its likely some of them planned to set up the Chapter to go to the planet so they could slaughter innocents so they could label them as traitors in order to make Guilliman look like a tyrant.
I think the crimson sabers' fall happened before guilliman was resurrected. Tbh the goddamn inquisitor that sent them on that fateful massacre mission was probably enthralled by tzeentch.
The Crimson slaughter are the CSMs I am painting my army as. I love their lore and their backstory. Especially how tragic their fall was
their colorscheme is almost identical to the World Eaters though
Simple: They all descend from the legendary mercenary Griffith.
Who else would be stalwart in their actions only to fall due to a fatal mistake only to be reborn as enemies of mankind.
Kudos to those who know the reference.
@Winter's Destruction Griffith slept with Princess Charlotte (His mistake), got imprisoned and tortured (His fall) and sacrificing the Band Of the Hawk (His rebirth). This was AFTER he is known for his military achievements beforehand. Plus he uses a rapier as a weapon thus the joke as the Crimson Sabers descending from him.
Id prefer to think you are just troling but... somehow i doubt it
Go reread berserk and dont skip more than half the pages this time...
@@insiainutorrt259 I think my joke fell flat on it's face
So their Primarch is actually Fulgrim?
@@darthkai3621 That's what I was thinking. They could have descended from the 3rd Legion in all seriousness.
Can't wait for the "Genetic Heritage of the Alpha Legion" video.
🤔🤔 *Confusion 100* 🤔🤔
II and 11 just saying, also isn't it weird how one pimarch was supposedly messed up beyond serviceability yet you supposedly still had 20 legions? And that the custodians weirdly doesn't have a pimarch?
@@Monkeyshaman The Emperor is the custodes primarch, they were built specifically to guard him.
@@ultra-papasmurf yes created to guard him like any legion created for a task but they still stand a step removed like the common astartes, they're even created like astartes. Afaik we don't have a definite answer to their template even if we have a surplus of named candidates. The fact remains that it's pointed out that there are 20 legions and even said by people in the know like Malcador, Guilliman and Cawl that there were 20 primarchs so even if we disregard the tube guy I count 21, unless there was some creative accounting and memory engrams to cover up the slight of hand needed to create an astartes intelligence branch where one literal hand doesn't know what the other is doing the basic math doesn't add up.
Just to clarify, this was a joke about the amount of videos concerning the "genetic heritage of" a chapter. I'm suggesting that it's only a matter of time before he starts making these videos about the big 18 legions.
They came from a feudal world and love swords? Def white scars. It also sounds like they got shafted
Salamanders are most susceptible to mutations ? Not Space Wolves, not damn
Bloody Angels, but the Salamanders ? O_o Wow ! I wonder what percentage the Thousand Sons had :)
Ordo Hereticus: "Who was the First Founding Chapter that sired these befouled traitors?!"
(Extinct Terran Crickets Chirping)
I'd say White Scars.
Jaghatai Khan coming out of the Warp with the remaining loyalist Sabres and re-joining the White Scars would be cool.
I´d say send Ultram.....Cato Sicarius, to capture few of them. Then submit them to paternity test.
It is I...
The sheer number of useful planets that were destroyed in their home system suggests to me that they are of the Ultramarines with that kind of affluence.
Honestly, I'd forgotten about this chapter, which is a shame! Their scheme, logo, and background are all very cool. Kinda makes me want to make a loyalist version for tabletop.
At this point, all successor chapters can be summed up as:
"I play Polymerization! I fuse my x chapter with Y chapter to make Z Chapter!
So basically they got kicked in the balls so much that some of them went into Chaos.
I feel bad for them.
so....Imperial Fists or Ultramarines..... I mean the Imperial Fists have sired a successor chapter called the Crimson Fists. Crimson Fists...Crimson Sabres..bam problem solved.
Too bad Kranon's model isn't still easily available
is it not.. I haven't checked recently but a year or 2 ago you could get him for just a few dollars on Ebay
@@bigbobwalker5527 they need to update his model.
4:53 Considering this is 40k, you'd think this would be be something that is pretty understandable. Let's be honest, what chapter *hasn't* accidentally genocided an entire culture. Even Magnus, who sincerely loved Papa E, has fucked up like this at this point.
I think you might have been a bit too quick to discount Blood Angels as a parent Chapter; consider!
1. Penchant for close quarters combat and particularly bladed weapons. These could also contribute toward a Dark Angels theory, but in the context of other evidence I think it leans Blood Angels.
2. While they did not experience the Thirst or the Rage per se, they did develop the Haunting after they began to slide toward perdition, which could easily have been the manifestation of a latent geneseed flaw--in this case, Sanguinius'.
isn't there a chapter rumored to be half ultramarine, half dork angel? maybe there are more dorks outside the unforgiven
White Scars successors no contest.
Great vid! One thing stuck out to me, is there still a loyalist splinter of the Crimson Sabres still running around? Does the voices affect them as well?
No the voices dont affect them as they didnt take part in the slaughters of the innocents
the fourth company grabbed some ships and split away from the chapter as a whole, their last known hideout was back on rhogon, the voices afflict them still but they chose to remain loyal.
It would be hard to say as there are hundreds if not thousands of astartes chapters whom many on their origins are lost, hidden or forgotten. There are a few chapters that is speculated to be descended from loyalist elements of traitor legions, the carchadons and blood ravens immediately comes to mind.
Don't forget the Silver Skulls.
A very extremely awesome video as always 40k Theories.
They have even worse luck than the Lamenters :0
And that means a heckin lot if you ask me
Ahhh first they started on Rhoghon and then the third planet of Drogsh? Put those two words together and you have a lovely Indian dish!(Rogan Josh!) Am hungry now
Do successor chapters emulate the native cultures of the planets where their Primarch was raised?
To detect an ultramarine chapter is simple, can you see their boners for the Codex Astartes from orbit? If yes, then ultramarines
Personally I would say loyalist emperors children via agglomeration worb the ultramarines like the silver skulls
what happened to the loyalists crimson sabres?
It sounds like they are Dark Angels who gave up the hunt for the Fallen. That might be why they sealed away their origins.
Seriously man, always right before I go to bed! Never a doll moment on this channel, I love it!! XD
Was just heading to bed too
I just got into bed XD
The cleansing flame of the second son is on the verge of reaching the galaxy it originated from
All hail our father david
Wait, how is the Salamanders gene seed unsuitable? Because they look a bit odd and have an unhealthy obsession with fire? That's *stable AF* by astartes gene seed standards.
Because their geneseed is also noted to have a 90% chance of developing additional mutations and defects.
Plus, prior to the Ultima Founding, the Salamanders officially had _zero_ successor chapters.
@@40KTheories
Would you happen to know what such mutations are? I tried looking it up but couldn't find anything on any additional mutations.
Betting their geneseed might be chimaeric and is a combination of IF, WS and Ultras.
But the Space Marines, and the Imperium itself, are the good guys of 40K I swear!
What happened to the Fourth Company, that refused Chaos and remained loyal to the Emperor?
Maybe transferred to Ultramarine successors, like rumor of the Silver Skulls
Red ones go faster! | 1:14 - I'm guessing that there's at least the suspicion of the fallen being there. | 2:30 - A death sentence for a Space Marine chapter. | 7:25 - Nah, no Red Thirst or Black Rage. | 8:30 - Yeah, as if they were, they'd have no problem with what they did. | 10:30 - At least before the Primaris Marines. | 13:28 - (monotone) All hail the Ultrasmurfs. | 14:17 - Do they look Asian enough as they should resemble their Primarch, based on how gene-seed works?
Why would a space marine chapter be cursed for killing innocent people? That's like their main Saturday night thing.
No idea.
Because Chaos
@@40KTheories haha if I'd have said that I'd be publicly called a wanker haha!
My thirst for warhammer lore is quenched for the next hour
How were chapters with unknown heritage reinforced with Primaris marines? How would the adeptus mechanicus know which stock to give them reinforcements from?
Well done, sound reasoning, good video.
Irony is that the Emperor would have ordered those civilians killed for disobeying the laws about no worship and the eddict of the imperial truth. All the legions did just that on Terra and everywhere else.
Also im not sure if its new or i just havent noticed it yet but i like the new eagle insignia
Do one on how the chain of command works with Astartes
I am pretty sure there is official fluff that now states the Crimson Sabers are Imperial Fists successor.
Do you have a source on that?
Isnt it stated that Imperial Fists simply choose not to have those organs implanted due to them regarding those certain organs to be unnecessary rather than being a defect. Iam pretty sure this was documented in a codex.
That could still make them Imperial Fist succesor.
From page 21 of the 8th edition Imperial Fist codex supplement:
_In the case of the Imperial Fists, _*_imperfections of gene-seed_*_ have robbed them of the sus-an membrane that allows a Space Marine to enter a state of suspended animation. Nor do they posses a Betcher's gland, which enables an Astartes to spit poison at his foe. Naturally, the Imperial Fists mourn neither loss. Indeed, Chapter luminary Rhetoricus was known to proclaim that such abilities are mere crutches for less-accomplished warriors_
As we can see, the lack of such organs is due to gene-seed deficiencies as opposed to the chapter merely choosing to not make use of such implants.
Can they be from a traitor genestock ?
Ah yes the famous imperial fast thinking decision
Ima say imperial fists they're really stubborn and value swords
What? No Traitor Legion ties?
Given how the Crimson Sabres maintained a relationship with their parent chapter, it seems unlikely for them to be descended from traitor stock.
So after all this, this chaos war band isn't metal enough for the Iron Hands.
#QUESTION is it possible to create blanks? is it a hereditary hability? what if a blank fight with a daemon sword? ( sorry for the bad english )
Unknown. No one is totally sure where the Blanks’ abilities come from. And don’t worry about your English. The only thing you got wrong was misspelling “ability” :)
The Salamanders are related to the Black Dragons!
Yes that was a retcon that was made official as of the First Founding source book (the other statements made on the Warhammer Community website prior to the book's release don't count, since the site is notorious for getting facts wrong lol).
However, when this video was made, the Black Dragons themselves (along with the Storm Giants) were stated in-universe to only be _rumoured_ to be related to the Salamanders.
Prolly white scars.
Like I said Bae about the Mantis Warriors
Sorry REMLIEZ but this is NOT CANON. The true name of the crimson sabers is CRIMSON DRAGONBLADES herknes made them and they ARE CANON more CANON than the comedy goblins more CANON than the monkeys so please wake up anad retcon this vdieo or i will have you use my dark arts sourceryies on your mr gamers workshop apollogistis
...Okay. I had to get that out of my system. Great video as always, Remleiz!
I swear the the Emperors golden beard the dark angels should be purged for hiding their own fault and sin
It's Imperial Fists
Definitely from the Ultra Marines lol
Cool.
The road to Hell...
They're probably Ultramarines like all other successors.
Is no one going to comment on the fact that their Chapter Master was called Nigel? Shouldn't they be called the Crimson Received Stamps, and they're chapter's coat of arms be a Bic and Ruler crossed over a white field with light blue horizontal lines and a light pink vertical line on the left hand side? 😜😂
Damn
A sad story.
Yet again the Dark Angels are shown to be idiots and jerks. Worst founding chapter.
Highly agree!
Well obviously they're descended from from th 35th Legion Astartes, the Fathers of the Crimson Sabers, as it's not specifically stated they arent.
Alpharius.
Could've been white scars.
Because pirate swoard?
Sleep is for the weak!
They come from smurfs. Everyone comes from the smurfs.
F f
Getting real tired of the Dark Angels and their detrimental obsession with the Fallen. Like I think the DA are really cool thematically but them constantly screwing over other Imperials gets old quick.
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Congratulations you win nothing.
@@jamesgarratt9334 oh my god its all ive ever wanted