The implication that racial troubles being referrenced in Superman's Black Mercy hallucination was a result of Clark's sub-concious incorporating elements of Earth culture into his view of Krypton is really interesting.
@@theavastark6463 Yea, naming conventions exist, but most of the Supermen we've seen are variations of Kal-El. And even if it wasn't common, alternate universes could name their one Kal-El with no issues, that's one of the neat things about multiverse stories.
I like how Val-Zod isn't just a black superman, but a black Kyrptonian with his own personality and story. He just has the same powers as Superman because all Kyrptons could become Superman on earth
@@matti.8465 they call it pandering because dc has been consistently saying that this isnt val zod or cal ellis or anything like that but a black clark kent but not henry cavill's clark kent recast to be black
To be fair he doesn't like being called Superman himself. He's the only character from the Reign of Supermen who didn't lay claim to that moniker. He wanted to live up to the title, but not appropriate it.
"Oh sure, the most powerfully political man is also the literal most powerful man. Sure buddy. Next you'll tell that he has a secret base in the oval office."
@@redhood7650 I know right, all these conspiry theories "The president is Superman! Batman is Wayne! Shazam is 5 kids fused together!" what's next "the green lantern is gay," come ooooooon
Are you gonna do a video talking about the latest DC controversy in regards to heroes (Batman in particular) not being allowed to go down on their lovers?
So if Krypton never really had racial issues does that mean on krypton you wouldn't be identified as a black kryptonoan? You're just kryptonian like everyone. I like that notion a planet of just one people. I would like to see more history of krypton showing other families outside the standard Zod or El family.
i mean even black americans are just americans. I'd rather see us all as americans instead of this goofy politics shit. white american, black american, asian american, latin american, who gives af. we're all americans 🙄
Noticing differences is natural for all living creachers. Its what we do about it that matters. Kripton may have names for those with darker skin and different hair, but it's not a big deal outside of where it matters...like idk hair dressers? Absorbing more sun?
I feel like it's because when he came in during the Reign of the Supermen, he was explicitly not trying to replace Superman like Cyborg Superman, Superboy, and the Eradicator were. He was just trying to honor the legacy of Superman.
I lost it when you realized Calvin Ellis was a play on Kal-El... Because I never noticed, hahaha!!!! Also, totally stoked should a Captain Carrot video come.
I'm honestly surprised that people didn't put two and two together. (This video is the first time i heard thst name and my first thought was "ah, i get it. A play on "kal-el".)
@@keelanbarron928 And get this: Rabbits eat Carrots, hence a rabbit character that’s named Captain Carrot! Wild, huh?!? Yeah, I’m being a duck*. Sorry... *(Spelljacker did that, but in context I thought it was pretty funny!)
I love the idea of Kryptonians being of any skin color, just like humans (because on Krypton, they were basically humans), and I do like the ideas of Val Zod and Calvin Elis. I don't like the more recent push for Clark Kent to be made black, or portrayed by actors of color. Instead of changing the race of a character, a new character can be created and given focus to become their own character, similar abilities and backstories are fine, but changing a character's race is hard to do correctly. Another issue is race swapping a character for no reason other than to make that character a different race, just for diversity.
Calvin Ellis not having a disguise is amazing because if someone questions him he can just go “oh so we just all look the same to you” and walk away 🤣🤣
We need that captain carrot video.. because comics! Thank you for making this video, and it should be a reminder to folks comics are so vast, and so many stories are out there.
Makes me even madder now, them wanting to Race Bend Clark kent, when they have the perfect chance to rework theses versions like they did Miles Morales in Into the spiderverse!
Who cares? It’s a completely different version of Clark Kent. It’s not like they’re race bending an already existing version of Clark Kent. No reason to get mad.
@@dvader518 Not to be a dick, but it actually is a problem. Coming from a black person, companies always talking about how they care about black people then doing the bare minimum to give us something original gets kind of annoying. Mind you, i’m all for different takes on characters, but if you’re catch “This character is now black”, they’re doing it to win points. It also shows you how little they care about these characters if they didn’t decide to use originally black superman mythos characters simply because they didn’t do a little research.
@Xbox One I understand your point of view but why dont they just use val zod in the movie? Making a white character black is like saying a black character like val zod isn't worthy of a movie.
@@dvader518 I feel that way too. Race isn’t everything to me, it’s more so about authenticity. People need to understand that we are different, and there’s nothing wrong with that, but that doesn’t give someone the right to treat each other like shit because of things like race.
I can't throw stones at the Clark Kent disguise once someone pointed out that everyone keeps telling Tony Hawk that he looks like Tony Hawk. All Ellis had going on was that people kept jokingly asking him about the fact he looks like Superman.
I remember Captain Carrot came out in the early 80s, after the cult success of the Howard the Duck comic, when the Big 2 had an resurgence in their “funny animal” IP’s. Rocket Raccoon and Peter Porker the Amazing Spider-Ham debuted around the same time. All were very fun, lighthearted satirical books meant to appeal to an All Ages crowd
It's a shame that this video wasn't conducive to discussing New Super-man, Kenan Kong. His book was *far* more interesting that I thought it would be, touching simultaneously on what and who Superman is, as well as a dose of Taoist Philosophy and politics.
Or just use Icon and present him better. Static is not the only Milestone representative. He's shown to be just as strong as Superman, if not stronger.
*Non comic readers* - BLacK sUpeRmAN? EveRY oNE iS tOO wOKe NOwaDaYs The average comic reader - Oh hey, thats a character who's been around since the fucking 70s!
Ya know it would be nice to see Val-Zod in the comics again. It could be a nice side story to have going along side Jonathan Kent (Superboy) now taking up the role of Superman while his dad is away.
I don't think anyone is upset about a black Superman, it's just the fact that DC just wants to reboot everything when it doesn't turn out well for them instead of, idk, making decent movies than can even compete with Marvel's?
@@blue6erry268 respectfully I think that's bull, people are upset they made a legacy character like Superman: Clark Kent, the very first superhero, black after almost 100 years, its a disrespect to the existing black supermen and a disrespect to fans of his character.
I would love a Captain Carrot (and his Amazing Zoo Crew) video. From the old series to the Oz-Wonderland War to all of his assorted other appearances, it would be great to wander down that *ahem* rabbit hole.
Val-Zod is amazing and earth 2 was just a great storyline.. until it wasn’t, but there was a good long time there where it was the best outside main continuity story imo
OK I’m an African-American comic book fan for more than 50 years. If they make a movie about Calvin Ellis , or any other black superman that would be cool. I don’t want them to make Clark Kent black. It’s completely unnecessary it really won’t change anything about the problems of writing a Superman story.
It annoys me that they are once again just relying on the popularity of Clark Kent's Superman for TV and Movies, I've basically had enough of Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne carrying almost everything DC outside of comics, let other characters have a go and even better, let these lesser known characters have the spotlight.
I am glad someone talked about the black superman since when ever I tall about black super men I am met by annoyance since many people consider non stream line dc as weird or dumb. it's good that we get a side canon movie it the black line dc movies such as the Batman, joker, and the new superman reboot.
😆 Don't know why I'm laughing so hard at my own incompetence but I felt the need to share so anybody else needing a quick laugh can feel free. I spent the first minute of the video wondering why Drake was talking like he was barred out, like legit everything coming out of his face was incredibly slow. I'm like, "Oh shit! Did the algorithm finally break my boi and he's on some substances?! Wait, UA-cam...this thing has a playback speed doesn't it...yep, there's the problem. Sorry, Drake." Yes, I apologized out loud, to a UA-cam video. 😆
Pretty sure they're doing it but instead of using these characters who deserve to show up on the screen, they're just making Clark Kent black and calling it a day.
Before this video, I had only heard about the black Superman from an alternate universe. After this video, I must admit that president Superman and Val-Zod are interesting characters.
I love Val-Zod, from his character/personality to his costume. When it comes to non-Clark Alternate Universe Supermen Val is probably one of my favorites, Superman from Justice League Gods and Monsters(Apparently it's a version of Lor-Zod), and Kong Kenan. I don't know too much about Calvin Ellis unfortunately, I should change that!
Yes I would like to know more about Captain Carrot. I'd also like to know if there's been any references or crossovers between Earth-C/Earth 26 and Marvel's Larval Earth/Earth-25
@@shealupkes T’Challa’s character cannot be white as his origin and creation are very explicitly tied to his race. You’d have to bastardize it to make sense of a white T’Challa. Wakanda was not colonized. It’s an all black nation in East Africa untouched by foreigners. You’d have to change Wakanda’s history to makes sense of a white T’Challa. Clark Kent’s origin however does not need to be changed because of a black actor who happens to be playing him. There are black kryptonians as opposed to an all black, African nation of Wakanda. The Kent’s would still take in a black Kal El and his story would still proceed as usual. You can’t have that with a white T’Challa. It would be a totally new character. And in the movies his powers are partly based on lineage. And even outside of comic storyline, Black Panther was black rep. specifically. It’s like characters such as Icon or Static. You can’t change their race either because there’s a very specific story to be told with their characters that focuses on black issues and black representation. You don’t have that with Superman. I mean the guy is an “illegal alien” lol. If they think Michael Jordan will be good for the role, they don’t need to change his origin or character relationships or anything like that. There are obviously certain white characters that wouldn’t make sense to be any race but white (because of their origin, like T’Challa) but there are many that are like Superman. Some of these characters were made during a time it was unlikely black superhero’s (or any minority really) would ever get the spotlight which is why you see black hero’s made to combat that later on but I guess black actors don’t want to be regulated by just those characters. Michael Jordan isn’t a bad looking dude (very obvious) and I’m happy to see how he does with the character. 👍 You could have a black girl play Black Panther since we know Shuri has been black panther in comics and will probably take up the mantle of black panther. And I’m not familiar with Black Widow but I assume some of her storylines wouldn’t make sense if she were a man. I’m not very familiar with Sam Wilson either but from his Wiki page and the TV Show, his origin and eventual title as Captain America (struggle with it) would have to be changed if he were white or it just wouldn’t make sense. +his history as black superhero, being an early one without black in his name and one of the first in mainstream comics (for obvious reasons), again wouldn’t make sense. Characters like Black Panther, Static, Icon, Falcon, and John Stewart are again all classic examples. Integration of black people into comics faced obvious issues and is why (from my knowledge) you don’t have black mainstream superhero’s that were created the same time Superman had been. Superman was partly created white because that was the default. It makes sense for the time and obviously the depiction stayed. No one is arguing that we permanently change the race of Superman in comics because I don’t think anyone cares that much about it, but a black actor playing him shouldn’t be that big of an issue, especially since I have not heard of his origin being changed if he truly will be playing Clark Kent.
@@hector3810 making Clark black creates the justification for a resentment Clark simply isn't meant to have, even if his parents are the perfect symbols of morality like they are normally described the same cannot be said about the people of smallville or metropolis and especially not for the rest of the world. Making him black whether we like it or not recontextualizes his upbringing in a way that does not fit the character
@@shealupkes Racism has already been something we’ve seen Superman fight against though. He’s fought racists and xenophobia and seen the worst in people but he still holds the consensus that people are good and to see the best in everybody (in most iterations). Sometimes that xenophobia (don’t know if you’d still call it that in this situation) has been directed at him about how he’s not from Earth. He’s always been an immigrant on Earth who grows up as a farm boy and a Boy Scout. That’ll still happen with Michael Jordan. Even if we assume he saw racism or xenophobia more up close, considering that it’s already been reported that they’re sticking with his classic origin and story. I don’t think we have anything to worry about. This is obviously not the first time a character from DC has been cast as another race and I haven’t really seen this be this type of big issue character wise. I think you give DC too much credit to actually engage in that sort of thing on the big screen. They might for all I know (and I do realize a lot of this would be done for money) but I doubt anything like that would make or break Clark’s core character. I think it would strengthen it even if they decide to go that route. Man is both an undocumented immigrant and black but still believes that people deserve a second chance and that we should always see the best in everybody? Sounds like Clark. He’s not naive but he protects the world because he believes in it regardless.
Love the green screen effect on the leaf pin. Don't know if it was intentional, but it's cool. Also, would love an episode on Captain Carrot and the Zoo Crew.
I know he’s not technically “Superman” but icon is my favorite black Superman type character. His origin story is so interesting. I wish he got more appearances outside of the comics
You have no idea how much I want a full DREAMWORLD ongoing with Sunshine Superman, Prez and all the rest just going full on crazy 60s FAARRR OUT stories.
Wow they have a lot of choices, can pull a ton of Superman or Superman like heroes that are Black in the comics; And the movie that's coming out straight up Frank Castles Clark Kent. A Chance to revive an interesting character or universe, and they blow it.
Well those for characters being black is a part of there character while superman looking white isnt. I honestly dont mind race bending as long as it works but I prefer original characters
The effect on the pin was awesome... You should have left it on I was enjoying it after you pointed it out and I went back and clocked it... It looked much cooler than the actual pin color
While I'll admit I haven't read the actual comics and I've only read Wiki pages about him, I was wondering if the interestingly capitalized SuperMan from Earth-9/Tangent Comics was going to be on here, though it seems this was mostly about Kryptonian Supermen. Learning about them was still really awesome, and I'll always appreciate the incredible effort that goes into these videos! Plus, I'd be interested to hear more about Captain CarrotーI recognized him as soon as I saw him in that group image, but now that I think about it, I don't know anything about him. Ah, the curse of mostly getting my info from Wikis!
The implication that racial troubles being referrenced in Superman's Black Mercy hallucination was a result of Clark's sub-concious incorporating elements of Earth culture into his view of Krypton is really interesting.
That… huh.
All these black supermen, yet they turn and slap black paint onto clark Kent
@@theavastark6463 and most of them have some variation of Kal-El as their name. His name must be super common on Krypton.
@@dracosfire7247 idk, general zod, val zod, they sound the same to me, it's almost like alot of people have matching names
@@theavastark6463 Yea, naming conventions exist, but most of the Supermen we've seen are variations of Kal-El.
And even if it wasn't common, alternate universes could name their one Kal-El with no issues, that's one of the neat things about multiverse stories.
Of course captain carrot is something i’d love to see
liking to show public support for cappn carrot.
I love captain carrot he’s a super bunny
Yes please he sounds amazing
In fact, a whole Zoo Crew episode would be great. I remember being particularly a fan of Pig Iron when I read those many moons ago.
I read a story where Harley Quinn had to fight Captain Carrot so she kept making up powers and scaring him, really funny
I like how Val-Zod isn't just a black superman, but a black Kyrptonian with his own personality and story. He just has the same powers as Superman because all Kyrptons could become Superman on earth
It's a shame that people that know nothing about comics look at him and just call it pandering
@@somerandomidioticnerd9769 He's black and Superman, of course they do that. What do you expect them to do, read the comics?
@@matti.8465 they call it pandering because dc has been consistently saying that this isnt val zod or cal ellis or anything like that but a black clark kent but not henry cavill's clark kent recast to be black
@@donb7519 that is what im scared of, instead of showing someone we know like cal ellis or val el, someone new shows up and confuses non comic readers
@@someone_one_one thats literally what they said in press releases this isnt someone we know its an alternate universe black clark kent
"Every Black Superman" but no Steel.....He's Superman to me dangit.
But he's not Kryptonian. He's still a badass though
@@eanrollins3443 the rules specified superman, not kryptonian
@@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat I stand corrected
To be fair he doesn't like being called Superman himself. He's the only character from the Reign of Supermen who didn't lay claim to that moniker. He wanted to live up to the title, but not appropriate it.
He is still one of the best supermans
All Calvin has to say is "You think all black people look alike?" And people back away.
bruh
Bruh
Modern problems require modern solutions
This is actually genius
Its sad is true!
This is interesting, I'm letting you know in the comments because it really helps!
Re: Calvin Ellis’ secret identity
“Oh sure, the President of the United States is really Superman….🙄”
"Oh sure, the most powerfully political man is also the literal most powerful man. Sure buddy. Next you'll tell that he has a secret base in the oval office."
@@bubbles784 "what next! Batman is Bruce Wayne??"
@@redhood7650 I know right, all these conspiry theories "The president is Superman! Batman is Wayne! Shazam is 5 kids fused together!" what's next "the green lantern is gay," come ooooooon
@@CuppaLLX A President of the US being named Calvin is pretty out there, too!
@@kenlieck7756 It's pretty far fetched, but it's an idea with some coolidge to it.
My favorite is Earth 2 Val Zod.
His character works on so many levels, and when I first read it and saw Kneel Before Zod, I nearly died.
Me too
Are you gonna do a video talking about the latest DC controversy in regards to heroes (Batman in particular) not being allowed to go down on their lovers?
Stay tuned and ring that bell. ;)
He is the comics sexpert
@@ComicDrake Make sure manscape sponsors you
Me, having absolutely no context whatsoever: WTF did I just read?!
@@comixproviderftw_02, no, Adam & Eve
So if Krypton never really had racial issues does that mean on krypton you wouldn't be identified as a black kryptonoan? You're just kryptonian like everyone. I like that notion a planet of just one people. I would like to see more history of krypton showing other families outside the standard Zod or El family.
See and comments like this is why I still have faith in humanity thank you brother
NICE!
i mean even black americans are just americans. I'd rather see us all as americans instead of this goofy politics shit. white american, black american, asian american, latin american, who gives af. we're all americans 🙄
Seeing that the only problems the Kryptonians had was that their Planet blew up, color really doesn’t matter when you’re at the peak of life
Noticing differences is natural for all living creachers. Its what we do about it that matters. Kripton may have names for those with darker skin and different hair, but it's not a big deal outside of where it matters...like idk hair dressers? Absorbing more sun?
I feel like John Henry/steel doesn’t get much love as he is basically a black Superman stand in.
All he gets is a bad Shaq movie
I feel like it's because when he came in during the Reign of the Supermen, he was explicitly not trying to replace Superman like Cyborg Superman, Superboy, and the Eradicator were. He was just trying to honor the legacy of Superman.
You should watch the CW's Superman and Lois (it is far better than normal CW shit btw lol)
Steel is in Superman and Lois on the CW. Its very good
@@blue6erry268 seriously if I did not know it was from the cw I thought it was a show on hbo max
@@jadenbryant9283 I think it is an HBO max show. CW just gets to air it, or some shit like thta
GIVE US CAPTAIN CARROT
Captain Carrot Will be forever Goated
Captain carrot !
I lost it when you realized Calvin Ellis was a play on Kal-El... Because I never noticed, hahaha!!!!
Also, totally stoked should a Captain Carrot video come.
I'm honestly surprised that people didn't put two and two together. (This video is the first time i heard thst name and my first thought was "ah, i get it. A play on "kal-el".)
@@keelanbarron928 And get this: Rabbits eat Carrots, hence a rabbit character that’s named Captain Carrot! Wild, huh?!?
Yeah, I’m being a duck*. Sorry...
*(Spelljacker did that, but in context I thought it was pretty funny!)
I love the idea of Kryptonians being of any skin color, just like humans (because on Krypton, they were basically humans), and I do like the ideas of Val Zod and Calvin Elis. I don't like the more recent push for Clark Kent to be made black, or portrayed by actors of color. Instead of changing the race of a character, a new character can be created and given focus to become their own character, similar abilities and backstories are fine, but changing a character's race is hard to do correctly. Another issue is race swapping a character for no reason other than to make that character a different race, just for diversity.
I personally would love a Val movie over a race swap Clark I really liked Val as Superman & wanna see him in a movie
Unironically I'm surprised you never touched on the Stuff with Tyroc and Legion of super heroes
Calvin Ellis not having a disguise is amazing because if someone questions him he can just go “oh so we just all look the same to you” and walk away 🤣🤣
I still don’t understand why we can’t get a icon movie
I know there are so many characters that dc and marvel can use but they just switch the characters and give them the names without earning them.
@@kylethefan6062 sadly that’s highly accurate
Rights issue mainly, DC can produce the movie but they won't have a say in anything that the creators of Icon do with it
@@TevyaSmolka I think big studio are scared to take risk which is sad Honestly.
@@squelettefaineants4359 that's just sad and depressing.
Jump To:
1st One: 1:45;
2nd One: 4:16;
3rd One: 5:05;
Calvin Ellis: 7:03;
Val-Zod: 10:31
That's all.
Goated
We need that captain carrot video.. because comics! Thank you for making this video, and it should be a reminder to folks comics are so vast, and so many stories are out there.
Makes me even madder now, them wanting to Race Bend Clark kent, when they have the perfect chance to rework theses versions like they did Miles Morales in Into the spiderverse!
Who cares? It’s a completely different version of Clark Kent.
It’s not like they’re race bending an already existing version of Clark Kent.
No reason to get mad.
@@dvader518 Not to be a dick, but it actually is a problem. Coming from a black person, companies always talking about how they care about black people then doing the bare minimum to give us something original gets kind of annoying. Mind you, i’m all for different takes on characters, but if you’re catch “This character is now black”, they’re doing it to win points. It also shows you how little they care about these characters if they didn’t decide to use originally black superman mythos characters simply because they didn’t do a little research.
@@BlackyChan2.0 Why do people assign value to race anyways?
We are all humans.
@Xbox One I understand your point of view but why dont they just use val zod in the movie? Making a white character black is like saying a black character like val zod isn't worthy of a movie.
@@dvader518 I feel that way too. Race isn’t everything to me, it’s more so about authenticity. People need to understand that we are different, and there’s nothing wrong with that, but that doesn’t give someone the right to treat each other like shit because of things like race.
The multiverses is so huge there sunshine for a ton of different Superman to get some sunlight as well.
Yea true and idk why ppl complaining so much when it makes more sense for him to be black than white cuz he literally gets power from the sun
Drake, by all means, do something on Captain Carrot! I love Cap and his team, the Zoo Crew!
I can't throw stones at the Clark Kent disguise once someone pointed out that everyone keeps telling Tony Hawk that he looks like Tony Hawk.
All Ellis had going on was that people kept jokingly asking him about the fact he looks like Superman.
I remember Captain Carrot came out in the early 80s, after the cult success of the Howard the Duck comic, when the Big 2 had an resurgence in their “funny animal” IP’s. Rocket Raccoon and Peter Porker the Amazing Spider-Ham debuted around the same time.
All were very fun, lighthearted satirical books meant to appeal to an All Ages crowd
Anytime you can talk about Captain Carrot and the Zoo crew is gonna be a great time! Please give us that video!
I am hyped to see and hear you talk about that buff bunny. Honestly it would be nice to see another animal superhero video like your Spider Ham one.
"Buff Bunny" almost sounds like a Playboy superhero
Captain Carrot!!! Hell Yes I want to see more Captain Carrot!!
It's a shame that this video wasn't conducive to discussing New Super-man, Kenan Kong. His book was *far* more interesting that I thought it would be, touching simultaneously on what and who Superman is, as well as a dose of Taoist Philosophy and politics.
Don't worry, I'm also a fan of Kong and want to do a video on him in the future.
I would love a comic series on sunshine superman with like a scooby doo vibe
Val-Zod: The Last Brother from Krypton
Yes please for a Captain Carrot video! I actually think that he's one of the better candidates for being the DC comics equivalent of Spider Ham.
I don’t mind a black Superman. I embrace it. What I don’t like is a race swapped Clark Kent. Which is what the new black Superman movie is gonna do.
Yea. I totally agree.
Like they could use val zod.
It's like making a green lantern movie and making hal jordan black... like why not use john stuward
You are right good sir, they have options that could have made this work, but chose to just be lazy and dip Clark Kent in brown paint.
It's JJ Abrams,the guy doesn't understand fan favourite male characters,never forget what he did to Han solo!
Or just use Icon and present him better. Static is not the only Milestone representative. He's shown to be just as strong as Superman, if not stronger.
@@yoder6162 Yeah I actually think JJ Abrams should go with Icon instead of Superman. Use an original black character instead of changing a white one.
YES! Do Captain Carrot please !!!! XD
Captain Carrot and his Amazing Zoo Crew is well... AMAZING! I want an animated movie
*Non comic readers* - BLacK sUpeRmAN? EveRY oNE iS tOO wOKe NOwaDaYs
The average comic reader - Oh hey, thats a character who's been around since the fucking 70s!
Factsss
the bigger thing is its black clark kent not black superman
Facts bro everyone is to woke now these days and it's getting annoying
Drake, thank you so much man❤️ your vids are my comfort content
Ya know it would be nice to see Val-Zod in the comics again. It could be a nice side story to have going along side Jonathan Kent (Superboy) now taking up the role of Superman while his dad is away.
I would love to see more earth 2. Hell, I'd love to write for it someday. Its such a good series to me.
“As white as redoing a bad high five” was amazing
All this and yet their just going to literally race swap the OG superman.
Hollywood you deserve what comes after this!
How do you know they are just "gonna just race swap the original Superman?" Wasn't there rumors that it's literally going to be Kal-El?
Yes!!! Please do a video all about Captain Carrot & The Zoo Crew!!!
“This show also features black Kryptonians” AND IT CUT TO AD!
This was a really interesting video, Drake! As always, I learned a little something knew, as you had hoped. :)
I'd like to see a captain carrot video lol
I'd love to see my man Captain Carrot in the spotlight!
Awesome video, as always, Drake!
Thank you!
''Kryptonian Wakanda'' LMAO WHAT
That sounds awesome
@@comixproviderftw_02 it does but it was funny asl
@@one_pumpman6064 KRYPTON FOREVER!!!!
I always thought Earth-2 really was the New 52 JSA. But then Rebirth happened and the Wonders got demoted to alternate Earth Justice League again
I don't think anyone is upset about a black Superman, it's just the fact that DC just wants to reboot everything when it doesn't turn out well for them instead of, idk, making decent movies than can even compete with Marvel's?
Honestly thats what people should really be complaining about.
Respectfully, I think there are A LOT of people upset about a black Superman
@@blue6erry268 respectfully I think that's bull, people are upset they made a legacy character like Superman: Clark Kent, the very first superhero, black after almost 100 years, its a disrespect to the existing black supermen and a disrespect to fans of his character.
Absolutely, totally agree!
A video dedicated to Captain Carrot? YES PLS.
Most of these guys are so cool, plus Steel too. Wish Calvin or Val Zod were getting the movie.
I would love a Captain Carrot (and his Amazing Zoo Crew) video. From the old series to the Oz-Wonderland War to all of his assorted other appearances, it would be great to wander down that *ahem* rabbit hole.
Val-Zod is amazing and earth 2 was just a great storyline.. until it wasn’t, but there was a good long time there where it was the best outside main continuity story imo
really cool to hear about these other supermen that no one talks about let alone give enough credit to
OK I’m an African-American comic book fan for more than 50 years. If they make a movie about Calvin Ellis , or any other black superman that would be cool. I don’t want them to make Clark Kent black. It’s completely unnecessary it really won’t change anything about the problems of writing a Superman story.
It annoys me that they are once again just relying on the popularity of Clark Kent's Superman for TV and Movies, I've basically had enough of Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne carrying almost everything DC outside of comics, let other characters have a go and even better, let these lesser known characters have the spotlight.
I don’t know if you’ve done a captain carrot video but as someone that collects the amazing zoo crew comics I would love that video!
I am glad someone talked about the black superman since when ever I tall about black super men I am met by annoyance since many people consider non stream line dc as weird or dumb. it's good that we get a side canon movie it the black line dc movies such as the Batman, joker, and the new superman reboot.
Thank you homie!
😆 Don't know why I'm laughing so hard at my own incompetence but I felt the need to share so anybody else needing a quick laugh can feel free.
I spent the first minute of the video wondering why Drake was talking like he was barred out, like legit everything coming out of his face was incredibly slow. I'm like, "Oh shit! Did the algorithm finally break my boi and he's on some substances?! Wait, UA-cam...this thing has a playback speed doesn't it...yep, there's the problem. Sorry, Drake." Yes, I apologized out loud, to a UA-cam video. 😆
I save the substances for off camera. ;)
@@ComicDrake Like the true professional! 🤣 Thanks, Drake! Your videos are grand, man. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Let's go I want a hour of just captain carrot.
they need to make a black super man movie.thank u drake 4 doing this video.
Pretty sure they're doing it but instead of using these characters who deserve to show up on the screen, they're just making Clark Kent black and calling it a day.
Vak-Zod would make such a cool movie.
Before this video, I had only heard about the black Superman from an alternate universe. After this video, I must admit that president Superman and Val-Zod are interesting characters.
If you get the hello fresh sponsor again, it will be the PERFECT opportunity to talk about Captain Carrot, while you present a recipe with carrots..
I love Val-Zod, from his character/personality to his costume.
When it comes to non-Clark Alternate Universe Supermen Val is probably one of my favorites, Superman from Justice League Gods and Monsters(Apparently it's a version of Lor-Zod), and Kong Kenan. I don't know too much about Calvin Ellis unfortunately, I should change that!
Krypton the show is awesome and should be renewed.
Nice black Superman my favorite hero and my race. Might as well add me to the cast list.
Gotta see people like icon,and blue marvel someday
yes please - a cpt. carrot video!!!
Yes, Captain Carrot video, please and thank you sir.
Yes I would like to know more about Captain Carrot. I'd also like to know if there's been any references or crossovers between Earth-C/Earth 26 and Marvel's Larval Earth/Earth-25
This was a fun on going and good research shown. 10/10 video. You keep it up!
Alternate title: I spend 15 minutes explaining why wb has no excuse for casting Michael b Jordan as Clark Kent
Why not? Being black doesn’t change his origin or anything so if they like Michael Jordan for the role who cares
@@hector3810 why not cast a white girl to play Sam Wilson or Tchalla? Why not get a man to play Natasha romanoff?
@@shealupkes T’Challa’s character cannot be white as his origin and creation are very explicitly tied to his race. You’d have to bastardize it to make sense of a white T’Challa. Wakanda was not colonized. It’s an all black nation in East Africa untouched by foreigners. You’d have to change Wakanda’s history to makes sense of a white T’Challa. Clark Kent’s origin however does not need to be changed because of a black actor who happens to be playing him.
There are black kryptonians as opposed to an all black, African nation of Wakanda. The Kent’s would still take in a black Kal El and his story would still proceed as usual. You can’t have that with a white T’Challa. It would be a totally new character.
And in the movies his powers are partly based on lineage.
And even outside of comic storyline, Black Panther was black rep. specifically. It’s like characters such as Icon or Static. You can’t change their race either because there’s a very specific story to be told with their characters that focuses on black issues and black representation. You don’t have that with Superman. I mean the guy is an “illegal alien” lol.
If they think Michael Jordan will be good for the role, they don’t need to change his origin or character relationships or anything like that. There are obviously certain white characters that wouldn’t make sense to be any race but white (because of their origin, like T’Challa) but there are many that are like Superman. Some of these characters were made during a time it was unlikely black superhero’s (or any minority really) would ever get the spotlight which is why you see black hero’s made to combat that later on but I guess black actors don’t want to be regulated by just those characters. Michael Jordan isn’t a bad looking dude (very obvious) and I’m happy to see how he does with the character. 👍
You could have a black girl play Black Panther since we know Shuri has been black panther in comics and will probably take up the mantle of black panther. And I’m not familiar with Black Widow but I assume some of her storylines wouldn’t make sense if she were a man. I’m not very familiar with Sam Wilson either but from his Wiki page and the TV Show, his origin and eventual title as Captain America (struggle with it) would have to be changed if he were white or it just wouldn’t make sense.
+his history as black superhero, being an early one without black in his name and one of the first in mainstream comics (for obvious reasons), again wouldn’t make sense. Characters like Black Panther, Static, Icon, Falcon, and John Stewart are again all classic examples. Integration of black people into comics faced obvious issues and is why (from my knowledge) you don’t have black mainstream superhero’s that were created the same time Superman had been.
Superman was partly created white because that was the default. It makes sense for the time and obviously the depiction stayed. No one is arguing that we permanently change the race of Superman in comics because I don’t think anyone cares that much about it, but a black actor playing him shouldn’t be that big of an issue, especially since I have not heard of his origin being changed if he truly will be playing Clark Kent.
@@hector3810 making Clark black creates the justification for a resentment Clark simply isn't meant to have, even if his parents are the perfect symbols of morality like they are normally described the same cannot be said about the people of smallville or metropolis and especially not for the rest of the world. Making him black whether we like it or not recontextualizes his upbringing in a way that does not fit the character
@@shealupkes Racism has already been something we’ve seen Superman fight against though. He’s fought racists and xenophobia and seen the worst in people but he still holds the consensus that people are good and to see the best in everybody (in most iterations). Sometimes that xenophobia (don’t know if you’d still call it that in this situation) has been directed at him about how he’s not from Earth. He’s always been an immigrant on Earth who grows up as a farm boy and a Boy Scout. That’ll still happen with Michael Jordan. Even if we assume he saw racism or xenophobia more up close, considering that it’s already been reported that they’re sticking with his classic origin and story. I don’t think we have anything to worry about. This is obviously not the first time a character from DC has been cast as another race and I haven’t really seen this be this type of big issue character wise. I think you give DC too much credit to actually engage in that sort of thing on the big screen. They might for all I know (and I do realize a lot of this would be done for money) but I doubt anything like that would make or break Clark’s core character. I think it would strengthen it even if they decide to go that route. Man is both an undocumented immigrant and black but still believes that people deserve a second chance and that we should always see the best in everybody? Sounds like Clark. He’s not naive but he protects the world because he believes in it regardless.
I ABSOLUTELY need that Captain Carrot video !
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@@ComicDrake omg u replied
Love the green screen effect on the leaf pin. Don't know if it was intentional, but it's cool.
Also, would love an episode on Captain Carrot and the Zoo Crew.
I know he’s not technically “Superman” but icon is my favorite black Superman type character. His origin story is so interesting. I wish he got more appearances outside of the comics
sadly all dakotaverse/milestone characters are currently stuck in that legal shit show
@@donb7519 agreed, but I think static is getting a new book or show so hopefully we can get some more of those characters being represented!
You have no idea how much I want a full DREAMWORLD ongoing with Sunshine Superman, Prez and all the rest just going full on crazy 60s FAARRR OUT stories.
It seems like everytime I've heard there is a black version of something, I always think it's just one.
Oh I ABSOLUTELY wanna see a Captain Carrot video
Captain Carrot is a super bunny 🐰 I love Captain Carrot 🥕
Captain Carrot. Go for it. And Batman's lack of eating cat would also be fun, comic sexpert.
"as white as re-doing a bad high five" might be my quote of the week
Val Zod is probably my favorite of the "black" supermen
Wow they have a lot of choices, can pull a ton of Superman or Superman like heroes that are Black in the comics; And the movie that's coming out straight up Frank Castles Clark Kent.
A Chance to revive an interesting character or universe, and they blow it.
Hello from the future Drake, as of recently in YOUNG JUSTICE season 4 the creator made General Zod and his son black.
Technically Steel should count
no one thinks a black superman is weird they think a black kal el is weird
Too political, unsubscribing.
Awesome. Please don't come back. :)
Yes! Just the list I was looking for.
Cool now make vidoe on every white black lighting oh wait
How about evey white black panther oh wait
How about evey white storm oh wait
What's your point?
@@matthewgleason7495 double standards buddy
@@mrchavodel8121 ya true
Well those for characters being black is a part of there character while superman looking white isnt. I honestly dont mind race bending as long as it works but I prefer original characters
@@beanieboi7743 excatly
Great video as always, and yes, captain carrot yes!
The effect on the pin was awesome... You should have left it on I was enjoying it after you pointed it out and I went back and clocked it... It looked much cooler than the actual pin color
If we don’t get a captain carrot vid I’m gonna sue
Please, tell us more of this "captain carrot". Awesome video, btw.
While I'll admit I haven't read the actual comics and I've only read Wiki pages about him, I was wondering if the interestingly capitalized SuperMan from Earth-9/Tangent Comics was going to be on here, though it seems this was mostly about Kryptonian Supermen. Learning about them was still really awesome, and I'll always appreciate the incredible effort that goes into these videos! Plus, I'd be interested to hear more about Captain CarrotーI recognized him as soon as I saw him in that group image, but now that I think about it, I don't know anything about him. Ah, the curse of mostly getting my info from Wikis!
Maybe it’s me, but as a kid I had always been led to believe that Steel was supposed to be “black Superman”
Val-Zod has the BEST Superman costume, and I hope to eventually see the character in James Gunn's DC films.
The initial run of Earth 2 was so good, it's devolution was so sad to watch.
I would like that captain carrot video in a timely manner please and thank you good sir.