I don't know about you guys, but I never saw Joel as the bad guy. Sure, what he did could have been seen as selfish, but I think the majority of people - or at least I - would've done what Joel did. He needed to save the one thing that he cared for in the world, or die in the process. But that's just my take on it. Such a great game, and Ashley is such a great actress! Stay cool, IGN! :)
i agree with you. The game was all about survival no matter what. The tapes in the end proved in my opinion that Joel did the right thing. The fireflies had no real proof that cracking open Ellie's skull & taking her brain out (that is what they were planing to do) was gonna help anyone else. In the end she accepted his lie because they both knew they needed each other to survive. Either that or go crazy lol
I agree completely because at the end he says to ellie " you keep finding something to fight for" and thats how he sums up surviving because if you have nothing to fight for whats the point in living in that world
Yeah, I never saw Joel as a bad guy either, or a hero. The way I saw the characters in this as I played through it was that this wasn't a game about saving the world or doing the right thing, it was a story about imperfect people living in an imperfect world. Having said that I very much enjoyed the game for everything it was, Joel was never made out to be a "hero" archetype, so it's hardly fair to judge him according to that standard. Again, this wasn't about saving the world, so much as it was about saving Joel.
I don't think that saving humanity or not had ever really occurred to Joel in those final moments at all. They wanted to kill his baby girl and that's all that mattered in those final minutes. He didn't have time to brood about morality or mankind or anything, he had to act quickly. And he did the only thing he could, because they hadn't allowed him to see her or speak to her before they drugged her. In the end, I think that the only thing that made him suffer infinitely was that he had to lie to the only person he loved, and the fact that she'll resent him for the rest of his life because of it. For me, seeing Ellie on that table was so excruciating, that I would have killed thousands (everyone) to save her, and think about whether it was right or wrong later. It's what love truly is - irrational, painful, excruciating, and yet the most wonderful and important thing in the world.
I love how Greg described it, where he thought "Oh, they're in love." Not thinking "Oh, Ellie's gay." I think he took the words out of my mouth on his justification. I thought the kiss was adorable, and I didn't say "Oh, Ellie and Riley are gay." I, and other people probably thought "Oh, Ellie's in love with Riley."
Ashley Johnson was one of those celebrities I didn't know, but knew her voice when I was a kid, I grew up watching her from Cartoon Network such as Teen Titans as Tara and Ben 10 Alien Force as Gwen Tennyson.
to ellie and riley, they don't even know the word lesbian exists. they don't know it's considered 'unnatural' or 'wrong' by some people and they don't know it's any less common or accepted than kissing a boy. they love eachother and that's all they know.
That's one hell of an assumption you're making... I'm not saying it's a bad idea, our that it isn't sweet or anything, I'd just like to see you prove that.
I don't care about Ellie's sexual orientation. The kiss doesn't change the fact that she IS the game. And on another note, I bet if she was told that in order to make the vaccine that she would have to die, she would have went with it. That's my interpretation because in terms of death, Ellie says "I'm still waiting my turn" and she didn't want all of those sacrifices the people she came to knew to end in vain. She's my favorite character in the game.
Exactly Yukine! She's FOURTEEN people! A child still for heaven's sake, why is it any thread that talks about Ellie always ends up with them talking about her sexuality?? Who cares???? That has NO bearing positive OR negative on the game's outcome. Geesh....get over it!
I completely agree with Ashley at the end Ellie being gay DOESN'T MATTER :) even if she was then what? She's still the amazing and badass girl that we all know!! Maybe the situation was weird and she wanted to express how much she loved Riley and she did it with a kiss who knows xD but Ellie being gay doesn't change the character at all actually it makes even more interesting :D
Ashley is an amazing actress, she did such a good job playing as Ellie. I liked hearing her through this whole interview because you can just see Ellie's personality shine through her and I love Ellie's character!! I'm def. a fan of Ashley, hope she continues to make appearances in other games. Especially in the hopeful release of The Last of Us Sequel!! :D
It's kind of funny. I agree with Neil on how the relationship between Joel and Ellie really creates a strong bond because when I first played it I knew it was going to be a game that was ruthless and after seeing how much it changed Joel from the beginning to 20 years later, I decided to really make myself Joel and absorb his character personally. In fact when he met Ellie I told myself (Joel) that no matter what, I am going to complete my job and do what I can to leave this girl (Ellie) and get back to my life. And dispute everything going south, if there was a decision, I would still save Ellie because the bond was really strong it something felt very wrong about the idea of Joel walking away from Ellie.
I completely agree. My real name is Joel, so it was very easy for myself to act like Joel would in the game. I loved this game, and I too agree that if I was given a choice, I would still save Ellie.
joel isnt bad, hes human. he cant bare to lose his daughter twice and ellie just wants to enjoy her life so she accepts the lie and keeps going on with it they realize theyre selfish but dont care
+Ian Randolph i think so, yes. her reaction seems to just accept the lie and continues on. shes a bit out of it knowing what they were doing, knowing theyre lying
If they going for The last of us sequel and Ellie is still a child they should bring Ashley Johnson back. She has done a excellent job making the character feel alive and she can be proud of her self :)
Is there really something like that in the game? I mean... the recording. Because I haven't found it yet. It would shed a bit of light on Joel's actions.
Krzysztof Krypczyk Haven't found them, too. But I think there's no need for shedding light on Joel's action. It only may let him appear less than a selfish bugger (don't get me wrong, I really like him for that what he is. He's more like a hero in a black chain mail than a shinning white one).
Alfie Spour What ever gave the impression she was attracted to Sam? That was never implied on her half, though Sam did appear to be attracted to her hence his attempts to 'impress' her stating he was older than what he was.
I don't think they were attracted to each other. They got on so well because that was the first time in a while they got to interact with a kid around the same age as them.
I am so jealous of all the PS4 owners. I have an Xbox One and it's really awesome and the exclusives seem to be better than the previous gen, but I bought a PS3 just to play The Last Of Us and it was worth it. I don't want to buy a PS4, but I want to play any new TLOS games that come out :( I hope the new game will be for both consoles.
***** all of the praise and money Neil Druckmann and company are sitting on will probably lead to a sequel. I personally don't mind a sequel, just don't make Joel and Ellie the main characters. I'd like to believe they lived as happily as they could in the dam. Maybe if the game were put in say Europe to show how the rest of the world is coping it could really help expand the Last of Us mythos and what not.
I love the ending, I think Joel was selfish because of the way people treated him throughout the game ( through his eyes they don't deserve a cure) and then with Ellie at the end, I think she knew but was ok with the lie because throughout the game she keeps repeating that everyone has left her and that that's her only fear so she compromises with Joel's lie in order to stay with him
But one thing i can say is that i dont think there should be an argument over if joels the bad guy or the good guy because in a world like this no one is truly good or bad so you cant judge someone on human nature or what they think is right or wrong. This was the decision joel wanted not thinking if it was right or wrong
I thought it was obvious she knew he lied, but I also felt it was the ultimate expression of love for Joel. yeah there's a possibility her life could save the world, and there's no guarantee of tomorrow. she can and has made that decision, but it didn't need to be that day. she may still ultimately decide to sacrifice herself, but for now she's got something special that she's never had before and that trumps trying to save a world that's honestly been trying to kill her day and night and I don't mean the infected.
I honestly thought it was a half lie. When I replayed it and listened to the tape again. Then unless my hearing is faulty, I was under the impression that she wasn't the first. That there were several others. That his only lie was that they stopped trying, since we know it was clear that they hadn't. All in all it was a powerful ending, imo. I loved that selfishness and honestly couldn't say I would've done differently.
On the subject of if Joel is a bad person for saving Ellie instead of letting her die to become the cure I think that Joel may have looked at how the world is realized that man kind is truly broken, and even if a cure was produced life would never be like it was 20 years ago, so instead of saving a lost cause that would never be fixed he saved what he could.
The "Ellie being gay" thing is, for me, one of the best interpretation of a gay character out there, not only in games! When it's revealed that she's in love with Riley your first reaction is not "OH MY GOD, SHE'S GAY!" but rather "Oh, shit! They're in love!" and that's just fucking amazing! It overcomes every kind of prejudice out there! The twist is not about the character being gay, is about a 14 years old kid being able to fall in love even in the worst conditions ever! I LOVED this ending, really.
I really hope, if there is a sequel, that it's Joel and Ellie again around the same age, with just another twist on the story. I'd like to see something that happens after the events at the hospital, and maybe some flashbacks to the middle of the 20 year span after the start of the apocalypse, focusing more on Joel and how he got to where he was at the start of the first game. Why do I want the same characters at their same age? Mainly because I really like Ellie, and (although I'm a 19 year old male) I relate to her in some ways.
No wait no... She didnt answer... Ellie doesn't believe Joel but does it matter to her? How does she feel about it? Is she resentful or does she learn to live with that and moves on? Does she feel guilty... What does she feel....
I think Joel is doing the right thing, it's just my opinion. The enemies that they encountered is mostly humans, not zombies, so I think human race is not worth it to save,even the world that we are living now.
It's not that so much as the price is too high. It's like if someone asked you to let them kill your child if it would cure cancer, you'd probably stick them in the neck with a scalpel too, though from an objective standpoint: sorry kid.
joel was a bastard who did stuff just as bad as the hunters but he was a perfectly grounded and fatherly figure to Ellie in their times of peace. the next generation will always grow past whatever atrocities their parents had to commit to survive, thats not the reason. he was just selfish and couldnt bear to lose another 'daughter' after she wormed her way into his heart. thats what i feel
People are moulded by their surroundings, and desperate situations sometimes call for brutality, however not everyone was as 'bad' as Joel or the bandits they encounter. The people at Tommy's dam for example, the people in the QZs too, most of them seemed worth saving. Plus, it would take the possibility of a cure to give people enough hope to snap out of the mantra of survival of the fittest and try to rebuild some semblance of decent community. Personally, I don't side with either Joel or the fireflies in this situation because I think the best thing would have been to let Ellie decide for herself whether she wanted to go ahead with the surgery
Crystalline Missing the point. The moral question behind the narrative only really works if Ellie's death will create a vaccine. A lot of people try to play it down and describe all the complications about the vaccine to make the decision seem easier and less gut-wrenching, but that doesn't matter. The moral point this game is making is that Joel made the wrong choice, for the right reasons. That doing the right thing is sometimes wrong, and that if the personal cost is too high we would all (non-sociopaths) make the wrong choice too. That message gets all muddied if you try to say "oh, there was no guarantee and how would they distribute it?". Of course, the game's genius is that it has you taking a biased rationale to excuse the fact that you too would make the wrong choice, because like Joel, you (the player) have fallen in love with Ellie and want to protect her, _at any cost_. Throughout, the game has dehumanised the other people in the wasteland and hyper-humanised Ellie, subtly putting you inside Joel's own perception of the world. In the end, the complications do not matter. Even if there was 100% certainty that Ellie's death would instantly cure humanity and give everyone kittens and chocolate, Joel would still save Ellie, and so would I.
Ok lets put this ending thing to a pause. BEFORE joel gets ellie in the Firefly lab, they are at the bus depot headed to the hospital. THAT is where Ellie "drowns". FROM THAT POINT to where she wakes up in Joels car she was knocked out. Ellie did not know she would die in order to get the cure. She was just placed on the operating table with no choice
You know this was such a good game; it is a shame it has not been released to other consoles and PC; 2 years after the remastered version for the PS4. I am fortunate to have access to PC, PS & XBox but I know there are many in the world that are sometimes lucky if they get access to even one system.
felt sad when they kissed because i knew what was around the corner :( personally i think the kiss what the saddest part of the whole dlc and full game and the ending of the glc was expected because obviously she tells the story to joel but the kiss was the kind of not expected so it was more heartbreaking
It's awesome hearing a voice actor's voice and knowing exactly what character they played. I agree with Greg, Joel to me was the bad guy in the end. I don't know if Ellie knew what the procedure meant for her but I thought his decision was selfish.
+TheInvinsible Gamer24 i just hope that at the time the sequel released, ps5 hasn't yet. because i haven't played the first one since i don't have ps3/ps4. when the sequel released,i will buy ps4, last of us 1 & 2. hopefully
Great Video, also great Podcast. Thoroughly enjoyed the game and really loved to hear more of the People that were involved in making it. Left Behind being the first and last DLC is Kind of bittersweet. I would love to hear more of that Story but then again it really is almost perfect as it is now and making more Content without actually having a Story to tell could easily ruin it. So well... Respect to the developers and their attitude on the matter.
Few, I didn't know what a "murcin" (or however it's spelled) was, due to not understanding what he actually said at first, I was about to look it up, but then I totally heard what it was he was saying. :p
Agree Joel Did what he had todo, He lost his Daughter, And Elli was geting to be Like his Daughter. and he had a Daughter / Father Bond with her.. So he'd Do anything to save her Life.
I personally think that the kiss has a much deeper meaning than just "Being gay or straight". I think it is more like a...thank you for being on my side or something like that. Of course she loves Riley. But it's more than...just a way to live sexuality. If you live in such a world, you really appreciate the people who are around you, so yeah. Ellie was surprised about that too I guess, so it just happend very randomly...She is also too young to know if she's gay or straight maybe. It happends often that girls kiss another girl who they absolutely love to death. This has nothing to do with sexuality but with love. But Ashley's right; it doesn't really matter.
When thinking about the ending, ask yourself this question. If Ellie would have known Joel shot and killed Marlene at the hospital, how do you think she would have reacted?
I absolutely loved the ending not once did i think joel was bad. When he saved ellie at the end i was rooting for him all the way and when he said you just try come after her and then shot marlene i was just like awesome. Joel truly loves and cares for ellie and will kill anyone in order to protect her life and i love that type of bond.
That is where Naughty Dog, specifically Neil Drukmans amazing brain comes in. Since ellie didnt have a choice this leads you to think what wouldve happened if she had the choice at the hospital. When Joel steals ellie and runs into marlene that is the climax of the story. Marlene states all the things Ellie COULD run into but Joel says "THAT IS NOT YOUR CHOICE TO MAKE". So in conclusion the ending was perfect because it can be whatever your mind interprets it as. For good or bad you cannot say The Last Of Us wasnt a masterpeice
I couldn't allow those shady doctors to kill her either, but Ellie would have been cool with being a martyr. She will not be happy once she finds out. My PS4 is broken and needs a new motherboard, but I will find some way. I can't wait. Such an intense story. Beautiful and frightening. Thanks Naughty Dog.
Ellie qas awake when they leave the elevator.. she was in and out of conscience , but she knows he was lying and therefore she saw Joel loves her like a doughter..
There she is. The voice of a generation... literally. Thanks to bring Ellie to life.
"The world took everything from Joel, so Joel took everything from the world"
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+ServantoftheKing Correction: The world took something from Joel, so Joel took everything from the world
Howie Au before he met ellie, I'm pretty sure Sarah was everything to him
+Howie Au it also took Tess and Sam and his brothers love. He had nothing left but Ellie, then the world wanted that too, so Joel said no.
+ServantoftheKing this game broke my soul
I don't know about you guys, but I never saw Joel as the bad guy. Sure, what he did could have been seen as selfish, but I think the majority of people - or at least I - would've done what Joel did. He needed to save the one thing that he cared for in the world, or die in the process. But that's just my take on it. Such a great game, and Ashley is such a great actress! Stay cool, IGN! :)
The world took him something so he took something to the world .
i agree with you. The game was all about survival no matter what. The tapes in the end proved in my opinion that Joel did the right thing. The fireflies had no real proof that cracking open Ellie's skull & taking her brain out (that is what they were planing to do) was gonna help anyone else. In the end she accepted his lie because they both knew they needed each other to survive. Either that or go crazy lol
I agree completely because at the end he says to ellie " you keep finding something to fight for" and thats how he sums up surviving because if you have nothing to fight for whats the point in living in that world
Joel was right! People Suck! They should all die so Ellie can Live....
Yeah, I never saw Joel as a bad guy either, or a hero. The way I saw the characters in this as I played through it was that this wasn't a game about saving the world or doing the right thing, it was a story about imperfect people living in an imperfect world. Having said that I very much enjoyed the game for everything it was, Joel was never made out to be a "hero" archetype, so it's hardly fair to judge him according to that standard. Again, this wasn't about saving the world, so much as it was about saving Joel.
I don't think that saving humanity or not had ever really occurred to Joel in those final moments at all. They wanted to kill his baby girl and that's all that mattered in those final minutes. He didn't have time to brood about morality or mankind or anything, he had to act quickly. And he did the only thing he could, because they hadn't allowed him to see her or speak to her before they drugged her. In the end, I think that the only thing that made him suffer infinitely was that he had to lie to the only person he loved, and the fact that she'll resent him for the rest of his life because of it. For me, seeing Ellie on that table was so excruciating, that I would have killed thousands (everyone) to save her, and think about whether it was right or wrong later. It's what love truly is - irrational, painful, excruciating, and yet the most wonderful and important thing in the world.
That's the best explanation I've ever read.
I just wanna hug her.
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I love how Greg described it, where he thought "Oh, they're in love." Not thinking "Oh, Ellie's gay." I think he took the words out of my mouth on his justification. I thought the kiss was adorable, and I didn't say "Oh, Ellie and Riley are gay." I, and other people probably thought "Oh, Ellie's in love with Riley."
WOW! Ashley seems such an awesome person. Really enjoyed watching Greg and Ashley just talk.
I cant wait for her to do more games. She has to be my favorite female voice actress
Ashley Johnson was one of those celebrities I didn't know, but knew her voice when I was a kid, I grew up watching her from Cartoon Network such as Teen Titans as Tara and Ben 10 Alien Force as Gwen Tennyson.
WHAAAAT...oh my god you're right. Mind Blown!!!!
SHE WAS GWEN???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Her voice is just awesome.
to ellie and riley, they don't even know the word lesbian exists. they don't know it's considered 'unnatural' or 'wrong' by some people and they don't know it's any less common or accepted than kissing a boy. they love eachother and that's all they know.
That's one hell of an assumption you're making... I'm not saying it's a bad idea, our that it isn't sweet or anything, I'd just like to see you prove that.
I don't care about Ellie's sexual orientation. The kiss doesn't change the fact that she IS the game. And on another note, I bet if she was told that in order to make the vaccine that she would have to die, she would have went with it. That's my interpretation because in terms of death, Ellie says "I'm still waiting my turn" and she didn't want all of those sacrifices the people she came to knew to end in vain. She's my favorite character in the game.
No one could have described it any better. That was actually beautiful, dude! *slow clap* "10/10" - IGN
Exactly Yukine! She's FOURTEEN people! A child still for heaven's sake, why is it any thread that talks about Ellie always ends up with them talking about her sexuality?? Who cares???? That has NO bearing positive OR negative on the game's outcome. Geesh....get over it!
When she said "time to die" I almost squealed because Ellie says that during the watergun fight in the DLC :')))
squealed
I found you in the sea of comments. Wow... See you at the next stream Hollow!
I completely agree with Ashley at the end Ellie being gay DOESN'T MATTER :) even if she was then what? She's still the amazing and badass girl that we all know!! Maybe the situation was weird and she wanted to express how much she loved Riley and she did it with a kiss who knows xD but Ellie being gay doesn't change the character at all actually it makes even more interesting :D
Man ashley johnson interviews on up at noon are always the funniest and best
Ashley is an amazing actress, she did such a good job playing as Ellie. I liked hearing her through this whole interview because you can just see Ellie's personality shine through her and I love Ellie's character!! I'm def. a fan of Ashley, hope she continues to make appearances in other games. Especially in the hopeful release of The Last of Us Sequel!! :D
3:45 ΤΗAT reaction was so Ellie, she was Ellie for a moment...you know what i mean ;)
+cloud7alex True!
sounded kinda like that being to
Her laugh is amazing.
close your eyes and you'll hear greg talking to ellie
Ashley is so beautiful. Imagine having her as your girl. Hearing that voice all the time also. haha
I really don't care if Ellie is gay , bi or straight . I love her , i love her personality . That's all .
You're lucky you could say that. If a guy said that, he's naturally a pedo :)
No , he has an open mind .
The Camera Guy
I love Ellie's personality too. And I'm a guy.
The Camera Guy Why would I be a pedo becuase of that? I love Ellie she is awesome person with a great personality, and I'm a guy so!
It's kind of funny. I agree with Neil on how the relationship between Joel and Ellie really creates a strong bond because when I first played it I knew it was going to be a game that was ruthless and after seeing how much it changed Joel from the beginning to 20 years later, I decided to really make myself Joel and absorb his character personally. In fact when he met Ellie I told myself (Joel) that no matter what, I am going to complete my job and do what I can to leave this girl (Ellie) and get back to my life. And dispute everything going south, if there was a decision, I would still save Ellie because the bond was really strong it something felt very wrong about the idea of Joel walking away from Ellie.
I completely agree. My real name is Joel, so it was very easy for myself to act like Joel would in the game. I loved this game, and I too agree that if I was given a choice, I would still save Ellie.
joel isnt bad, hes human. he cant bare to lose his daughter twice and ellie just wants to enjoy her life so she accepts the lie and keeps going on with it
they realize theyre selfish but dont care
She knew?
+Ian Randolph i think so, yes. her reaction seems to just accept the lie and continues on. shes a bit out of it knowing what they were doing, knowing theyre lying
She's very charming cx
If they going for The last of us sequel and Ellie is still a child they should bring Ashley Johnson back. She has done a excellent job making the character feel alive and she can be proud of her self :)
Considering she's not a child and her voice still sounds like that, they will bring her back regardless.
TheZardark Well, here I am replying three years later and so I must ask: How excited are you for Part II?
Its true what joel says in the end if u find this secret audio recording it says there multiple people like ellie that haven't helped them make a cure
Is there really something like that in the game? I mean... the recording. Because I haven't found it yet. It would shed a bit of light on Joel's actions.
Krzysztof Krypczyk Haven't found them, too. But I think there's no need for shedding light on Joel's action. It only may let him appear less than a selfish bugger (don't get me wrong, I really like him for that what he is. He's more like a hero in a black chain mail than a shinning white one).
***** Maybe you're right. We've probably seen enough of those in shiny dragon scale chainmails anyway.
It isn't a secret recording, he tells Ellie that in a cutscene after he kills Marlene.
Z0mb3h Hunt3r He was lying to Ellie to keep her alive.
i felt like Ellie was bi because it looks to me like she had some form of attraction to Sam aswell
Yeah, agreed
Alfie Spour What ever gave the impression she was attracted to Sam? That was never implied on her half, though Sam did appear to be attracted to her hence his attempts to 'impress' her stating he was older than what he was.
MapleAndAnimeCrazy she was doing things for him she was asking after him quite alot
Alfie Spour Yeah and in Left Behind, both she and Riley said that the man in a photo (located in the tent in the mall) was handsome.
I don't think they were attracted to each other. They got on so well because that was the first time in a while they got to interact with a kid around the same age as them.
I wish I can lose my memory of this game and re experience this game
Gabe McDowell same! Ugh the first time seeing it was mind blowing
This was a pleasant, funny and insightful interview to watch. Thank you for it.
13:16 Ashley you little liar hahaha
MatheusH3 hahaha
MatheusH3 the best part is when she says 'we'll.. we'll see' hahahah
Rostom Baccar yeah right hahaha
lmaoo😂 SOOOO HYPED!!!!!!😭😩
Matheus hA true but she ain't allowed to talk about it so...
I like Ellie so much, even when Ashley was talking, I can see and hear Elies voice and she is sitting on that couch
Ashley Johnson is amazing. She really was the perfect candidate to play as Ellie. She has this great energy and life to her.
"im workin on.. random things... but well see.." SHE LIED TO US
Ashley Johnson is so beautiful!!! 😘❤️❤️❤️
Need a sequel for next gen
I am so jealous of all the PS4 owners. I have an Xbox One and it's really awesome and the exclusives seem to be better than the previous gen, but I bought a PS3 just to play The Last Of Us and it was worth it. I don't want to buy a PS4, but I want to play any new TLOS games that come out :( I hope the new game will be for both consoles.
Mooseter53 its naughty dog. so not likely
Blayden Bot I'll just keep praying...
watching this over 2 years later and they where in prepre production on Last of Us Part 2 even back then
God I love how down to earth she is. "Yeah I'm drunk but I didn't have any alcohol"-Ashley
this is one of the greatest games I've ever played.
"Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah." I see where they got the final line from.
This was a really good interview. Greg, for once, did a good job.
I would like TLOU2 to be a prequel, it would be awesome to see joel and his brother striving to survive in the recently crazy world
Whoa, their eyes are the same.
In a world where you could lose the ones you love at any moment, it doesn't matter who you love, only that you love these people.
Great interview. The chemistry man!
Great game with a great DLC :) I wonder what the chances of a sequel are?
Pretty high, considering how amazing the reception was for the game, and the fact that Naughty Dog doesn't shy away from sequels.
I hope they will not make a sequel . It's perfect like that . There is no need .
***** all of the praise and money Neil Druckmann and company are sitting on will probably lead to a sequel. I personally don't mind a sequel, just don't make Joel and Ellie the main characters. I'd like to believe they lived as happily as they could in the dam. Maybe if the game were put in say Europe to show how the rest of the world is coping it could really help expand the Last of Us mythos and what not.
***** A sequel doesn't need to have the same characters. It can be The Last of Us 2 and have completely new main characters.
Arandomcheese 100% chance
she's awesome on the show Blindspot! 😍
I love the ending, I think Joel was selfish because of the way people treated him throughout the game ( through his eyes they don't deserve a cure) and then with Ellie at the end, I think she knew but was ok with the lie because throughout the game she keeps repeating that everyone has left her and that that's her only fear so she compromises with Joel's lie in order to stay with him
Damn i love her voice
You should hear Courtney Draper in Bioshock: Infinite.
OH MY GODDDDD ASHLEY IS SO CUTE I'M GONNA SCREAM
8:49 This is true. The characters don't know what they're doing. Growing up in the apocalypse like they did, at the age they're at, they had no clue.
But one thing i can say is that i dont think there should be an argument over if joels the bad guy or the good guy because in a world like this no one is truly good or bad so you cant judge someone on human nature or what they think is right or wrong. This was the decision joel wanted not thinking if it was right or wrong
She's cute.
I thought it was obvious she knew he lied, but I also felt it was the ultimate expression of love for Joel.
yeah there's a possibility her life could save the world, and there's no guarantee of tomorrow. she can and has made that decision, but it didn't need to be that day. she may still ultimately decide to sacrifice herself, but for now she's got something special that she's never had before and that trumps trying to save a world that's honestly been trying to kill her day and night and I don't mean the infected.
I honestly thought it was a half lie. When I replayed it and listened to the tape again. Then unless my hearing is faulty, I was under the impression that she wasn't the first. That there were several others. That his only lie was that they stopped trying, since we know it was clear that they hadn't.
All in all it was a powerful ending, imo. I loved that selfishness and honestly couldn't say I would've done differently.
Ashley is such a tough funny girl, she resembels a lot of ellie in her personallity, best cast ever, what an wonderful girl
Watching this now gives me so much information about the sequal
I don't get why everyone says Ellie is a replica of Ellen Page, she totally looks like a red head, 14 year old version of Ashley.
What a great interview!
I love those moments when Ashley reminds you exactly of Ellie
On the subject of if Joel is a bad person for saving Ellie instead of letting her die to become the cure I think that Joel may have looked at how the world is realized that man kind is truly broken, and even if a cure was produced life would never be like it was 20 years ago, so instead of saving a lost cause that would never be fixed he saved what he could.
The "Ellie being gay" thing is, for me, one of the best interpretation of a gay character out there, not only in games! When it's revealed that she's in love with Riley your first reaction is not "OH MY GOD, SHE'S GAY!" but rather "Oh, shit! They're in love!" and that's just fucking amazing! It overcomes every kind of prejudice out there! The twist is not about the character being gay, is about a 14 years old kid being able to fall in love even in the worst conditions ever! I LOVED this ending, really.
I swear to god we better get a sequel I FUCKING LOVED LEFT BEHIND!!
I really hope, if there is a sequel, that it's Joel and Ellie again around the same age, with just another twist on the story. I'd like to see something that happens after the events at the hospital, and maybe some flashbacks to the middle of the 20 year span after the start of the apocalypse, focusing more on Joel and how he got to where he was at the start of the first game.
Why do I want the same characters at their same age? Mainly because I really like Ellie, and (although I'm a 19 year old male) I relate to her in some ways.
No wait no... She didnt answer... Ellie doesn't believe Joel but does it matter to her? How does she feel about it? Is she resentful or does she learn to live with that and moves on? Does she feel guilty... What does she feel....
Rene Gonzalez I think that she doesn't believe him but she accepts it because she knows that whatever he did, he did because he loves her
Why is her voice so amazing 😂
damn it feels like im watching ellie( the video game ellie) talking to a guy
I think Joel is doing the right thing, it's just my opinion. The enemies that they encountered is mostly humans, not zombies, so I think human race is not worth it to save,even the world that we are living now.
It's not that so much as the price is too high. It's like if someone asked you to let them kill your child if it would cure cancer, you'd probably stick them in the neck with a scalpel too, though from an objective standpoint: sorry kid.
joel was a bastard who did stuff just as bad as the hunters but he was a perfectly grounded and fatherly figure to Ellie in their times of peace. the next generation will always grow past whatever atrocities their parents had to commit to survive, thats not the reason. he was just selfish and couldnt bear to lose another 'daughter' after she wormed her way into his heart. thats what i feel
People are moulded by their surroundings, and desperate situations sometimes call for brutality, however not everyone was as 'bad' as Joel or the bandits they encounter. The people at Tommy's dam for example, the people in the QZs too, most of them seemed worth saving. Plus, it would take the possibility of a cure to give people enough hope to snap out of the mantra of survival of the fittest and try to rebuild some semblance of decent community. Personally, I don't side with either Joel or the fireflies in this situation because I think the best thing would have been to let Ellie decide for herself whether she wanted to go ahead with the surgery
Crystalline Missing the point. The moral question behind the narrative only really works if Ellie's death will create a vaccine. A lot of people try to play it down and describe all the complications about the vaccine to make the decision seem easier and less gut-wrenching, but that doesn't matter.
The moral point this game is making is that Joel made the wrong choice, for the right reasons. That doing the right thing is sometimes wrong, and that if the personal cost is too high we would all (non-sociopaths) make the wrong choice too. That message gets all muddied if you try to say "oh, there was no guarantee and how would they distribute it?". Of course, the game's genius is that it has you taking a biased rationale to excuse the fact that you too would make the wrong choice, because like Joel, you (the player) have fallen in love with Ellie and want to protect her, _at any cost_. Throughout, the game has dehumanised the other people in the wasteland and hyper-humanised Ellie, subtly putting you inside Joel's own perception of the world. In the end, the complications do not matter. Even if there was 100% certainty that Ellie's death would instantly cure humanity and give everyone kittens and chocolate, Joel would still save Ellie, and so would I.
Ok lets put this ending thing to a pause. BEFORE joel gets ellie in the Firefly lab, they are at the bus depot headed to the hospital. THAT is where Ellie "drowns". FROM THAT POINT to where she wakes up in Joels car she was knocked out. Ellie did not know she would die in order to get the cure. She was just placed on the operating table with no choice
You know this was such a good game; it is a shame it has not been released to other consoles and PC; 2 years after the remastered version for the PS4. I am fortunate to have access to PC, PS & XBox but I know there are many in the world that are sometimes lucky if they get access to even one system.
felt sad when they kissed because i knew what was around the corner :( personally i think the kiss what the saddest part of the whole dlc and full game and the ending of the glc was expected because obviously she tells the story to joel but the kiss was the kind of not expected so it was more heartbreaking
i love her voice
this game is a masterpiece to rival that of Mozart or Leonardo davincci
sean rogers Now, that I agree with!
It's awesome hearing a voice actor's voice and knowing exactly what character they played. I agree with Greg, Joel to me was the bad guy in the end. I don't know if Ellie knew what the procedure meant for her but I thought his decision was selfish.
She looks like Naomi Kyle from an alternate universe! Uncanny dude!
Asking for a sequal to TLOU is like asking for HALF LIFE 3.
Clay Gardner Yeah and I can't wait!!
+TheInvinsible Gamer24 it'll probably take another 3 years tho :,(
Josh Miranda Yeah they're gonna release it on PS4, and then when PS5 comes out, they're gonna make a remaster of both games for PS5.
+TheInvinsible Gamer24 i just hope that at the time the sequel released, ps5 hasn't yet. because i haven't played the first one since i don't have ps3/ps4. when the sequel released,i will buy ps4, last of us 1 & 2. hopefully
biam suparte Don't worry PS5 won't come for a very long time. PS4 still has tones of years left.
Interestinggg, I thought Ellie DID believe him, but Ashley pretty confidently said no she doesnt. O:
Great Video, also great Podcast. Thoroughly enjoyed the game and really loved to hear more of the People that were involved in making it. Left Behind being the first and last DLC is Kind of bittersweet. I would love to hear more of that Story but then again it really is almost perfect as it is now and making more Content without actually having a Story to tell could easily ruin it. So well... Respect to the developers and their attitude on the matter.
i could listen to her/Ellies voice all day
Few, I didn't know what a "murcin" (or however it's spelled) was, due to not understanding what he actually said at first, I was about to look it up, but then I totally heard what it was he was saying. :p
6 years ago and now they're making TLOUP2 and will release in May :)
Agree Joel Did what he had todo,
He lost his Daughter, And Elli was geting to be Like his Daughter. and he had a Daughter / Father Bond with her.. So he'd Do anything to save her Life.
Is there any chance that the black girl in the dlc is Marlene's (i think thats her name) s
daughter and thats how she knew Ellie and protected her?
Nah they're not related lol
+Neon E. Haha alright
The prequel comic series, American Dreams, shows that this isn't the case, though that would be interesting
Already cant wait for the sequel. BRING ME THE SEQUELLL.
I personally think that the kiss has a much deeper meaning than just "Being gay or straight". I think it is more like a...thank you for being on my side or something like that. Of course she loves Riley. But it's more than...just a way to live sexuality. If you live in such a world, you really appreciate the people who are around you, so yeah. Ellie was surprised about that too I guess, so it just happend very randomly...She is also too young to know if she's gay or straight maybe. It happends often that girls kiss another girl who they absolutely love to death. This has nothing to do with sexuality but with love. But Ashley's right; it doesn't really matter.
When thinking about the ending, ask yourself this question. If Ellie would have known Joel shot and killed Marlene at the hospital, how do you think she would have reacted?
I absolutely loved the ending not once did i think joel was bad. When he saved ellie at the end i was rooting for him all the way and when he said you just try come after her and then shot marlene i was just like awesome. Joel truly loves and cares for ellie and will kill anyone in order to protect her life and i love that type of bond.
That is where Naughty Dog, specifically Neil Drukmans amazing brain comes in. Since ellie didnt have a choice this leads you to think what wouldve happened if she had the choice at the hospital. When Joel steals ellie and runs into marlene that is the climax of the story. Marlene states all the things Ellie COULD run into but Joel says "THAT IS NOT YOUR CHOICE TO MAKE". So in conclusion the ending was perfect because it can be whatever your mind interprets it as. For good or bad you cannot say The Last Of Us wasnt a masterpeice
This Ellie voice is soooo confusing :D
Twelve Weeks i don't think so
Twelve Weeks What do you mean?
SpeedDemon1152 its weird because she's ellie!!! :D
Joel isn't good or bad, he's more of an anti-hero, he does what he does to survive and he does what's best for him and who he cares for.
She's working on The Last of Us Part II. I can tell, i'm from the future!
I want a second game !! :o
You should wait another 4 years
Surprise!
I couldn't allow those shady doctors to kill her either, but Ellie would have been cool with being a martyr. She will not be happy once she finds out. My PS4 is broken and needs a new motherboard, but I will find some way. I can't wait. Such an intense story. Beautiful and frightening. Thanks Naughty Dog.
I swear there's a guy that tells people when to laugh in the background
the last of us is one of the best written movies i have ever played.
Ellie qas awake when they leave the elevator.. she was in and out of conscience , but she knows he was lying and therefore she saw Joel loves her like a doughter..
I wish they wouldve expanded a bit more on joel and ellie in the dlc in the time that she takes care of him a little more.
13:47 See how she replies to the last question !!!
THERE WILL BE THE LAST OF US 2 !!!!
Omg this game desperately needs a sequal.
Mayank Verma if only they made a reveal in this years psx.
Pro Blade Lol I made that comment a while ago
You can say that again!
Mayank Verma already In the making.
Guys, go and replay the game, and in the scene when Joel carries Ellie, let him get caught.
It's the most gut-wrenching scene the game has to offer.
Was that "Stigmata" by Ministry?
Honestly i love her bc she is down to earth
wow her voice is so funny cause it reminds me so much of Ellie