Finally, somebody said it. They always love to bring up Alexander but never seem to realize they reject all his claims of divinity out of hand, yet seem to think they deserve their claims of divinity accepted.
I agree. Many youtube videos I watch do not even need to be watched. I listened to a video just last night on the Boeing 737 stall escape maneuver and I dont think anything in that video required actually watching it to understand it. I could be wrong, though, since I didn't actually watch it. :) But I know for a fact that the full impact of a Mr. D video requires watching it.
I was raised Roman Catholic. 20 years ago I joined the Navy and was issued dog tags marked *NORELPREF* as opposed to *RC.* This upset me at the time but clearly not enough to have them corrected and replaced. Here I am now, looking at those dog tags and wondering if that mix up was something of a miracle.
I literally just posted about this, on a debate page and my own page. You did a better job of it than I did. But we're on the same page today, my friend. :)
Dear Brian, You are a real treasure. Every of your clips I have watched so far is inspiring, thought provoking and great fun. Stay yourself. Enlightened greetings from Germany. Jürgen
When I was younger, I tried to be someone else. But none of my clothes fit. Thanks for the kind words. I love having people from my fatherland watching.
Christopher Hitchens covered this well in the comparison to Socrates. To Hitch, it doesn't matter if Socrates existed, because it is what he said that matters, and we have those words to learn from regardless of who wrote them. But for Jesus to matter, he not only had to exist, but had to be divine. Anything less than this makes him nothing more than a preacher. And the writings that claim to be his words are mostly bad advice.
Enjoy your Caesar salad. I'll have a Cobb Salad. And the apologists will likely opt for word salad ... which is remarkably bereft of nutritional value, oddly enough.
Not only was the story of the tombs being thrown open and people rising from the dead oddly not mentioned historically, but it also makes Jesus' supposedly going through the same thing at the time not particularly special.
Not to mention that if they were consistent in using their own standard of evidence then they would have to accept pretty much every other religion and mythical tale as being just as true.
Oh poor Caesar, conquerer of nations, defeater of pirates, lover of many senators’ wives (I think this is really why they stabbed him) remembered mostly as a salad. But at least he wasn’t called short like Napoleon.
@@dianamacpherson5851 Apparently, It has to be one of those really thick, wide scarfs from which it's nearly impossible to extricate yourself. You have to have one of those, given where you live.
Hey Bri Bri, damn auto spell insists on Bro Bri. Marvelous! An insightful snarky romp revealing the flaws in this concept. Unambiguously concise with humor. 5 stars
Much like many of the stories of the Bible (the exodus out of Egypt, for example), when there exists no written record in a society where absolutely everything was recorded (Rome and Egypt), one has to question the validity of the stories. If there are absolutely no records of a person or their "miracles", then the truth is most likely that they never existed at all.
Jesus if he even existed was nothing more than the first-century Galilean cult leader. And he didn't say very nice things. Like all cult leaders it was all about him.
Good morning Mr D. I have followed you so long I feel like I know you. I enjoy your videos and your music. I am a 58 year old guitarist trying to find a way to make a living playing music. I have a YT account PJKOMB. I would be honored if you could have a listen to the music I am still working on. Keep up the good work. And Thank You
Thank you for helping me sustain my anti-theism. Sometimes it wavers, and I find reasons to suggest there is a manager of the Universe. I takes me a while to realize the Universe is too big to care and I return to nice comfortable going without religion. Thank you Mr Deity.
Oh great! Now I want a Ceasar salad and I have no way to get one. You are dastardly Mr. Deity. I guess I'll have to eat ice cream instead. Oh, the sacrifices I make for you:)
@@lisaspikes4291 OMG! Texas Roadhouse is amazing! I've only eaten there once. Jimbo (Larry) and I had a shoot in Arizona and we stopped there on our way out. Holy crap!!! Best food ever!!! It kills me that we don't have one here in LA somewhere. Damn them all to hell!!!
I'm so glad you talked about this. I've seen a lot of comments lately from christians bringing up the Ceasar/AlexanderTheGreat thing and I haven't really researched it. I didn't know what the truth was because I hadn't really thought about Alexander the great. Like you said, he didn't perform magic, I'm not living under the thumb of his religion so what would I REALLY CARE? NOW I have to care because, well, I like to talk with christians about religion and atheism. I gotta be prepared!
Oh you should totally care about Alex for his generals alone. Of course there is Ptolemy, founder of the Egyptian empire) but he also hung out with guys called “one eye - Monophthalmos” and Kleitos the Black. They sound like pirates!!
@@calonstanni Hi. I agree with Diana. There's a daisy chain of events here that leads right up to Christianity. Alexander conquered and introduced Hellenism to the barbarian masses. Most folk went for it but there were always a few diehard traditionalists who resisted. The generals, aka the diadochi, squabbled for control and basically bumped each other off. Judah / Yehud ended up on the southern edge of the area controlled by the Seleucids. A few generations later one of them, Antiochus IV, decided to reinforce Hellenistic culture and thus made enemies of the traditionalist Jews. They revolted (Judah the Maccabee, etc.) and after a guerrilla war (part funded by Rome) they won! (Antiochus had other more pressing problems on his eastern flank). The Hasmonean dynasty was established (think Taliban). Progressive Jews were persecuted on and off. So far so historical (if over simplified). Now for the hypothesis. Have you come across the Greek Mysteries hypothesis for the origins of Christianity? The originators were most probably Hellenistic Jews from Alexandria who cobbled together a Jewish version of the Mysteries some time in the mid-first C BCE. They got round the lack of a pantheon of gods by using the Messiah figure as their dying and rising God-Man. Their motive was to encourage like-minded homeland Jews who were suffering persecution from the Hasmonean traditionalists. This makes the earliest "Christians" Gnostics of a sort. They employed the usual two tier approach. There were the Outer Mysteries, open to all and consisting of the "stories of Jesus". Those few who did more than just accept these fictions and asked the right questions were initiated into the Inner Mysteries and, if successful, in time attained Gnosis - experiential knowledge of God. (That's an awfully brief summary - please research further). It was NOT a success; most Jews saw through it. However, when presented to Gentiles and shorn of the (painful) requirements of Jewish Law, it did much better. In the upheavals following the first Jewish revolt, some groups of proto-christians lost their leaders (the tried and tested Roman tactic was - kill the shepherd and you can ignore the sheep). With no skilled initiators left, middle management had to do the best it could, which was to ditch the Inner Mysteries and concentrate on the Jesus stories. Fictions became historical fact. "Only believe, and you shall be saved!" "Incarnatus est!" This scandalised other groups, but what could they do? Rome became the focus of these authoritarian literalists and, in time, their organisation and mass appeal attracted the attention of a 4th C emperor. The rest, as they say, is history. Such is the hypothesis. The poor old Gnostics were too elitist; their initiations took too much time and effort for most. They had no chance against those who knew God's mind and were never slow to tell their (grateful) flock what that was. Now as then, the poor and mean and humble need a simple faith. They are too busy surviving (or whatever) to spend much time thinking about their faith. And their leaders know this and rejoice! If you got this far, thanks for reading.
Having been a graphic designer and typographer for decades, this comment makes me smile more than you could possibly imagine! Personally, I was always an ITC Garamond kind of guy. I fucking LOVE that X-height.
@@misterdeity An atheist, UA-cam auteur, graphic designer, AND musician? I want to be both you and Adam Savage at the same time! Meanwhile: do a search for "Hillvetica" (exact spelling). That's me. A little blip in the timeline, April 2015.
Hey Mr Deity, do you know - and if yes, would you recommend - Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus"? Or is there better literature on this topic?
Look into the work of Robert Price or David Fitzgerald's 'Nailed' or 'Mything in Action'. They're both well known mythesists. Try Ken Humphreys too All three have quite a bit of content here on YT
Richard Carrier's newest book, Jesus From Outer Space is probably a better way to start with his material. OHJ is a peer-reviewed, heavily footnoted academic tome. JFOS is a redacted, more accessible version. Another good source here on YT is Derek Lambert's "MythVision Podcast" channel. He regularly interviews Dr.Price and other highly respected academic authorities regarding on-topic subjects including Dr. Carrier.
Richard is freaking amazing!!! He’s a dear friend, and I recommend anything he does. Most interesting are his insights regarding the application of Bayes’ theorem to such questions. Fascinating!!!
One For Israel is advertising on your channel. I suppose their message is as equally offensive to practicing jews as yours is to practicing christians but I don't know if that's a good reason to take their money. ;P
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Fish slices in wine in a bread bowl? I guess that's more of a signature Jesus sandwich. Maybe you could throw some cursed figs in there for good measure.
I'll give you one, from 66 CE until 350+/- CE the Flavians created a "Dark Age". At the end of the Maccabean rebellion, Vespasian had taken the Tempal's writings back to Rome. All History after 66 CE was funneled thru the Flavians and Rome.
It should be remembered that early Christians expected the world to come to an end at any moment. If the author of Matthew exaggerated a wee bit, who would be around in a few years to contradict him?
I can't tell you how many Christians I've had to tell that no one that wrote the bible knew Jesus. They just look dumb struck. Until I tell them that none of the writers were written by the names in the bible. It's so strange how many of them don't know the bible.
i grew up in the church. when people are taught that the bible is true from a young age they have the tendency to take it for granted that the bible is “true”. for me personally, when i was growing up, everyone i knew happened to be christian. until i met someone who wasn’t christian it hadn’t occurred to me to actually research the bible from outside of the bible. i think to some extent people who are believers don’t want to give up their beliefs about god, and thus don’t want to actually know anything about the bible that you can’t learn from reading the bible.
You should have surpassed ALL the atheist content by now And that's not hate at the folks I dig I just dig you the most All the good juju to and algorithm gods blessings your way
Although I know there is no historical evidence for the existence of Dionysus, since I enjoy red wine, I choose to partake in his sacrament ... It matters not whether he does or ever did exist, a good red wine is still a fine thing! As to Jesus? They claim that he did once turn water into wine, so maybe he was a follower of Dionysus ....
Had Jesus accelerated to the speed of light when he left the atmosphere, he wouldn't even be out of the Milky Way yet. So where is Heaven? First we are told that Godjesus is always watching over us; shadowing us. Sometimes even carrying us a la Footprints in the Sand. But when asked why all the miracles evaporated just as science and reason ascended, we hear that Godjesus has _withdrawn_ from the world (but will return any day now).
He'll return any minute now with fire and sword and turn earth into an apocalyptic wasteland. A really great chump that Jesus dude, totally worth worshipping
My understanding is that it was a place off and on depending on whomever invaded. But, was not an inhabited place around the time of jesus. Then Constantine's wife.....
The Nazareens were a Jewish cult around that time. It's likely that the mythical Jezus character got mixed up with John the Nazareen (If I remember the name correctly), the leader of said cult.
I have asked many believers what happened to the dead that rose from their graves (Matthew 27:52-53) when Jesus died. I have never gotten any sort of reasonable answer. Most say that the bible doesn't tell us. I ask hem if such an event as people known to have been dead and buried coming back to life and walking around town should have made it into Roman history and I get crickets. If the bible is true then this happened. Why is Jesus resurrection the only thing that matters? If dead people actually were actually resurrected that is a big freaking deal, and you hardly ever hear Christians talk about...hummmm.
A classmate once asked me why so many Muslims are named Mohammed, but no Christian is named Jesus. The guy had never been to a latin country (I'm from Germany by the way). Even funnier, his best friend's name was Christian and we had two Christina's in our class.
Here is the truth young Padawan - Yoda is real. He inspired Lucas to make those movies. He knew that humans would never accept it as a true story, so he inspired George to write it as fiction, so that knowledge of the Force, and the ideals of the Jedi could become part of our culture. And when the time is right, all the Jedi Masters who conquered death (praised be their names) shall come to Earth to teach us the true nature of the universe, and how to overcome death itself! Thus speaketh the prophet of Yoda. I know this because he came to my house for some chicken wings last week :-)
How about Lazarus coming back from the dead...and that's it. No account of his experience while dead, nothing. It's just ignored and the greatest story ever told continues over another gaping plot hole.
Lazarus had to sign an NDA to get resurrected. The first rule of death club is that you can't talk about death club. Or, "What happens in the afterlife stays in the afterlife!"
@@pdoylemi I never got the NDA. The legal team didn't make it into my afterlife. I had a NDE, involving gods, entities, images, and an afterlife I do not literally or figuratively believe in, nor did I ever, in a different time and culture than the one I live in. I make some amusing statements about it from time to time, do not think it represents anything except where my brain went when it was in serious trouble. The one mistake I made was NOT telling my life insurance company about it, along with supporting evidence of my death. There wasn't a darned thing in that paperwork about me STAYING dead! I would have an extra few hundred thousand..... live and learn, I guess.
@@rudra62 I like the life insurance idea, but they would give you the line from Miracle Max in the Princess Bride - you were only MOSTLY dead. "Mostly dead means a little alive, with all dead there's only one thing you can do... go through his clothes and look for loose change."
@@pdoylemi Yeah, I don't think it would have gotten anywhere. As far as "go through clothes and look for loose change", (someone at) the hospital did that very well. My wedding ring along with other jewelry disappeared, cash disappeared, and I was subjected to identity theft - but that's a different story.
Why did Jesus himself not leave us literary works of his own? Why must we make do with some unsigned narratives penned decades later, intended for Greek speaking audiences?
in one of the gospels, right after jesus died on the cross, it mentions that there several people who supposedly rose from the grave and walked around jerusalem
Matthew 27:52-53 The story is that many saints got up out of their graves after Jesus's resurrection, walked into Jerusalem, and were seen there by many.
Matthew 27:52-53 The story is that many saints got up out of their graves after Jesus's resurrection, walked into Jerusalem, and were seen there by many.
Y'all dusn't git it Brian! See, nun o' them other gods is reel! So acourse we dusn't believe no magical stories about their followers! But since are god is reel, it makes perfect sense! Ya see?
Thank you, Pat! Your comments are always so enlightening. I DO get it now. What would I do without your wisdom - and amazing spelling (that really WAS impressive)? Always good to see you here in the comments. And I'm genuinely sorry about that Caesar salad thing.
@@misterdeity I think you would do well - but I hope I contribute a bit. And when you grow up in South Carolina, and Virginia in the 1960s, the "dialect" comes fairly naturally. And in the last, you prove that your are a good deity - willing to ask forgiveness of your humble creations rather than demanding pleas to you - thus, you are forgiven.
Got it. Allegory. A fable, a myth, unconnected to any literal truth, invented, then presented as if fact. We should remember this when reading anything in the bible.
A historian, you apostate of a/an-ism. Nice use of historicity though. I would have guessed the word was historosity or historicalocity, although I guess they sort have of a truthiness ring to them.
I agree with you that the historical concept of Jesus doesn't really matter that much in a conversation about the Biblical Jesus. It would be like bringing up the Historical Pocahontas in a conversation about the Disney movie. Except at least in that conversation everyone knows that the Disney movie is fictional and no one seriously believes that Pocahontas or John Smith ever randomly broke out into song for no reason or spoke to a magical talking willow tree. I do disagree with you however that you can't dissociate the two... Actually that's really the wrong word to use here cause there's nothing to dissociate. Just as Disney's Pocahontas and the real world Historical figure are two entirely different things as one actually exists and the other is a work of fiction so to is Jesus. You actually NEED to be able to separate the two to understand that the Biblical concept of Jesus is not Historical as that fictional character as he's written in the Bible never existed. The historical Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible. He's a mortal man who's mother was not a virgin but I imagine she told people she was and convinced them she was because if they knew she cheated on her husband and had a child with a man she wasn't married to back in that time period both her and the child would of been killed. I'm sure no knew back then that it's possible to have sex without breaking the hymen cause there's people today who still don't know it's possible and that's all she would have to do to convince people she was still a virgin is show an unbroken hymen. Such a thing would have easily been unheard of and enough to convince people that the only way she could of gotten pregnant is God did it. The supposed miracles Jesus performed were either never done at all or in some causes such as turning water into wine can be explained as modern stage magicians have use slight of hand tricks to do exactly the same thing. It's not real magic, it's something literally anyone can learn how to do. And the resurrection just straight up never happened otherwise Jesus himself would still be around today leading the Christian religion himself. Since no one has ever seen him walking around among us, and given a piece of toast some people thinks looks like Jesus made the news I imagine meeting the actual real life Jesus would have also made the news on a daily basis if he were alive walking around among us right now. Anything magical the Bible claims about Jesus is just like the magical talking willow tree from that movie, clearly that didn't happen and if you think that's an accurate representation of the real history, I've got an invisible mansion to sell you, don't worry about undressing on what appears to be an vacant lot in the middle of a field, I assure you there's a huge mansion there and no one can see you while you're inside it unless you want them to. ;)
Personally, I believe in Abraham Lincoln , Vampire Hunter. Just look at all the historical facts that movie got right, so clearly old Abe also hunted very real vampires.
@@pdoylemi I'm going to assume that was sarcasm... I actually forgot that movie existed... But yeah same thing... No one seriously believes Vampires are real just because a clearly fictional movie placed a historical figure into a fictional story about vampires. Jesus is a real historical figure just like Abe. But anything magical the Bible claims about him is purely the work of fiction just like that movie.
@@RialVestro Yes - definitely sarcasm, using the same justifications Christians use for historical Jesus. And I agree that Jesus is likely a real historical figure - cults usually start with a cult leader after all.
I might argue that there can be some value in following Jesus. So long as the teachings and lessons are filtered and selected with rational thought. Others might argue that they aren't true Christians. But I might respond that all Christians pick and choose the teachings and rules they follow. If they're all cafeteria Christians anyway, I at least have more respect for the type that doesn't believe a God that made hell is just and loving.
What you’re talking about is being a rational person. You find teachings that are good, help make the world and yourself better - whoever taught them, and you embrace them. This picking and choosing is simply the idea that some teachings are good and some aren’t. Embrace one. Reject the other. It’s so simple!!!
@@misterdeity Why yes. Yes I am. You wouldn't think that it would be needed to mention that it's good to be rational in deciding how to live our lives, but here we are... But then, that can be one of the traps of religions. Allowing someone else to determine what's good and rational, so that people don't have to think about it for themselves so much.
I would say that person is then just applying their own moral values to the teaching of the bible and making a judgement. Therefore, what's the point of the bible anyway if they are just using their own judgement to decide what is acceptable or not?
My question is, what did Jesus ever teach that was not either old news already or, if read correctly, really stupid advice? Most of what he taught only makes sense if you truly believe the world is ending extremely soon, and that all that matters is the afterlife.
@@trigonzobob i see what you did there. You do get my point though, yes? The holy people claim there is better evidence for their guy when there isn't even solid evidence for the background of their story - as Mr D said, "Was it Bethlehem or Nazareth?" If his home town didn't even exist when the story is supposed to have happened, then at the very least, the where or the when must be wrong. This does not sit well with claims of a solid grounding in history at all, does it?
But Brian some believe you! At least Jesus story helps you believe or disbelive either or is a form of belief! Its helped some as a way of a coping mechanism. Believeing all you do and have in life and the relationships you have with people will one day cease to exist is rather demoralising if you think and dwell on it. What about justice or meeting the demands of justice. Is there no justice for those who deserve it. Your ideas whilst very logical provide little or no comfort Or do they?
I’m not here to provide comfort. And I believe seeking comfort over truth is an act profound cowardice which has cursed humanity for millennia. It creates far more problems than it solves. Embrace reality and do what can actually be done to make THIS world a better place. For the last 400 years, that’s what science has given the world. Which is why you live in an infinitely better world than those who lived 400 years ago. That doesn’t happen seeking your own comfort and imagining all will be made right in a world to come. Don’t reason from want. It’s pure narcissism.
@@misterdeity it is a better world in some ways but not all. Science has developed the Hydrogen bomb and other weapons of destruction which means one man can kill so many so easily. There is a limit to killing when done by the sword people tire. People whether you like it or not naturally seek comfort when death and distruction faces them.
What sort of justice are you talking about? One where 2 people commit a "sin", and every human after them is condemned for it? One where a mass murder need only "come to Jesus" before his execution, and God welcomes him to heaven? One where a man can rape his daughter for years, and Jesus' forgiveness is all that matters, not *hers?* One where somebody can be completely loving and altruistic, living up to all the ideals of christianity, but if he doesn't believe in Jesus, he gets to burn for eternity? I don't think christians know the 1st thing about 'justice'. As for the bomb: total casualties due to WW2 were about 70-85 million. Of those, only 190-230 thousand were due to atomic bombs. Also, note that the religious also do science, so it's not either/or. Religious scientists would eventually have produced atomic weapons as well.
@@jursamaj i am not saying these things you are! Did i say Christians know about Justice well there all people and people hope for some form of justice. Hence we have laws in lands. We have laws to do with war geneva convention. Justice should be for all. Sometimes people have justice melted upon them sometimes not. Victims demand justuce whether it happens or not. People of other faiths hope there is justice in the future. As to hydogen bombs etc your splitting hairs science has contributed to weapons of all kinds. What im saying is religions like christisnity, islam , judiasm have helped people to have hope and some measure of comfort also other religions like what the Romans and Greeks had they all help some people. If you get hope and comfort out of science good for you but its not everyones cup of tea. I personally see science as a form of Godlyness as its intelligence and creating things if used for good. You cant explain the whole world just with science or just with religion as the more you know the more you know u dontc know
@@Cyrusmagi All those unjust things I mentioned are inherent to christian theology, among others. That's why I mention them when people try to tell me that religion is about a desire for eventual justice.
@@tfive24 It's the same really, no matter who you use that complaint against. Yes, unorthodox use of language bothers some people, but it's how language evolves over time.
John was a student of Christ. Polycarp and Ignatius were students of John. Irenaeus was a student of Polycarp, etc. You would think that it might come up in polite conversation that the guy they were willing to lay their life down for never really existed. Paul knew the brother of Jesus and the other Disciples of Jesus. What is Robert Price's answer for this? You see, Paul was a myth also LOL LOL
even the Catholic church (the OLDEST stewards of the xian faith) acknowledges that john and the other gospels were WRITTEN BY SOMEONE else. STOP LYING.
@@darthvirgin7157 Paul was in agreement with the other Apostles. They were all in agreement on the deity of Christ. Any other point is moot All four Gospels speak of the resurrection of Christ. Mathew has Him saying all authority is given Him in heaven and earth. Making Him equal with God
@@bungalobill7941 it was a great argument. i just implied your lack of knowledge and references, and you completely missed it. a gullible delusional individual usually misses those types of barbs.
Finally, somebody said it. They always love to bring up Alexander but never seem to realize they reject all his claims of divinity out of hand, yet seem to think they deserve their claims of divinity accepted.
Your clips, Mr Deity are simply superb with your dialog as well as the snarky comments alongside... top of the line! Thank you...
Thanks so much. That's so nice of you. You made my fortnight!
I call it art.
He’s right, obviously. We all yearn for the moment when you gift us with a new video…
I agree. Many youtube videos I watch do not even need to be watched. I listened to a video just last night on the Boeing 737 stall escape maneuver and I dont think anything in that video required actually watching it to understand it. I could be wrong, though, since I didn't actually watch it. :) But I know for a fact that the full impact of a Mr. D video requires watching it.
@@trigonzobob That's awesome. I never actually though of that. The pop-ups matter!
I was raised Roman Catholic. 20 years ago I joined the Navy and was issued dog tags marked *NORELPREF* as opposed to *RC.* This upset me at the time but clearly not enough to have them corrected and replaced. Here I am now, looking at those dog tags and wondering if that mix up was something of a miracle.
I literally just posted about this, on a debate page and my own page.
You did a better job of it than I did. But we're on the same page today, my friend. :)
Early Christians expected the End Times at any moment and never dreamed their stories would be fact-checked.
Dear Brian,
You are a real treasure. Every of your clips I have watched so far is inspiring, thought provoking and great fun.
Stay yourself.
Enlightened greetings from Germany.
Jürgen
When I was younger, I tried to be someone else. But none of my clothes fit. Thanks for the kind words. I love having people from my fatherland watching.
Christopher Hitchens covered this well in the comparison to Socrates. To Hitch, it doesn't matter if Socrates existed, because it is what he said that matters, and we have those words to learn from regardless of who wrote them. But for Jesus to matter, he not only had to exist, but had to be divine. Anything less than this makes him nothing more than a preacher. And the writings that claim to be his words are mostly bad advice.
Enjoy your Caesar salad. I'll have a Cobb Salad. And the apologists will likely opt for word salad ... which is remarkably bereft of nutritional value, oddly enough.
Not only was the story of the tombs being thrown open and people rising from the dead oddly not mentioned historically, but it also makes Jesus' supposedly going through the same thing at the time not particularly special.
Not to mention that if they were consistent in using their own standard of evidence then they would have to accept pretty much every other religion and mythical tale as being just as true.
There, by the grace of Caesar, goes salad.
Oh poor Caesar, conquerer of nations, defeater of pirates, lover of many senators’ wives (I think this is really why they stabbed him) remembered mostly as a salad. But at least he wasn’t called short like Napoleon.
Your classical education is showing.
@@misterdeity I tried to cover it up with a scarf but....
@@dianamacpherson5851 Apparently, It has to be one of those really thick, wide scarfs from which it's nearly impossible to extricate yourself. You have to have one of those, given where you live.
*LAUGHS IN JOJO*
Napoleon wasn't as short as he was made out to be, because the Paris inch was bigger than the Imperial inch. He was closer to 5' 5".
Hey Bri Bri, damn auto spell insists on Bro Bri. Marvelous! An insightful snarky romp revealing the flaws in this concept. Unambiguously concise with humor. 5 stars
Much like many of the stories of the Bible (the exodus out of Egypt, for example), when there exists no written record in a society where absolutely everything was recorded (Rome and Egypt), one has to question the validity of the stories.
If there are absolutely no records of a person or their "miracles", then the truth is most likely that they never existed at all.
Jesus if he even existed was nothing more than the first-century Galilean cult leader. And he didn't say very nice things. Like all cult leaders it was all about him.
It's as if a million believers cried out in terror at the truth and suddenly went silent.
Good morning Brian. Luv ya. Thank You Thank You Thank You Thank You Thank You
Good morning Mr D. I have followed you so long I feel like I know you. I enjoy your videos and your music. I am a 58 year old guitarist trying to find a way to make a living playing music. I have a YT account PJKOMB. I would be honored if you could have a listen to the music I am still working on. Keep up the good work. And Thank You
Could I beg you to take a quick look at my UA-cam channel. It’s in its infancy and I appreciate your advice and critique. Thanks Mr D.
Great video. Thank you very much.
Jesus caring about the poor wasn't a contradiction, since he wasn't a Christian.
Thank you for helping me sustain my anti-theism. Sometimes it wavers, and I find reasons to suggest there is a manager of the Universe. I takes me a while to realize the Universe is too big to care and I return to nice comfortable going without religion. Thank you Mr Deity.
Oh great! Now I want a Ceasar salad and I have no way to get one. You are dastardly Mr. Deity. I guess I'll have to eat ice cream instead. Oh, the sacrifices I make for you:)
I’m so sorry. That photo made me want a CS too. And I don’t particularly care for CSs.
@@misterdeity
I love them, and I am out of Caesar dressing you evil deity YOU!
You might find this unbelievable, but the best Caesar salad I ever ate was at the Texas Roadhouse in Elmira, NY! It was perfect!
@@lisaspikes4291 OMG! Texas Roadhouse is amazing! I've only eaten there once. Jimbo (Larry) and I had a shoot in Arizona and we stopped there on our way out. Holy crap!!! Best food ever!!! It kills me that we don't have one here in LA somewhere. Damn them all to hell!!!
I'm so glad you talked about this. I've seen a lot of comments lately from christians bringing up the Ceasar/AlexanderTheGreat thing and I haven't really researched it. I didn't know what the truth was because I hadn't really thought about Alexander the great. Like you said, he didn't perform magic, I'm not living under the thumb of his religion so what would I REALLY CARE? NOW I have to care because, well, I like to talk with christians about religion and atheism. I gotta be prepared!
Glad to start you off.
Oh you should totally care about Alex for his generals alone. Of course there is Ptolemy, founder of the Egyptian empire) but he also hung out with guys called “one eye - Monophthalmos” and Kleitos the Black. They sound like pirates!!
@@dianamacpherson5851 ok? I guess I'm game because ... fun, right? I like pirates and other weirdos. 😘
@@calonstanni Hi. I agree with Diana. There's a daisy chain of events here that leads right up to Christianity.
Alexander conquered and introduced Hellenism to the barbarian masses. Most folk went for it but there were always a few diehard traditionalists who resisted. The generals, aka the diadochi, squabbled for control and basically bumped each other off. Judah / Yehud ended up on the southern edge of the area controlled by the Seleucids.
A few generations later one of them, Antiochus IV, decided to reinforce Hellenistic culture and thus made enemies of the traditionalist Jews. They revolted (Judah the Maccabee, etc.) and after a guerrilla war (part funded by Rome) they won! (Antiochus had other more pressing problems on his eastern flank). The Hasmonean dynasty was established (think Taliban). Progressive Jews were persecuted on and off.
So far so historical (if over simplified). Now for the hypothesis. Have you come across the Greek Mysteries hypothesis for the origins of Christianity?
The originators were most probably Hellenistic Jews from Alexandria who cobbled together a Jewish version of the Mysteries some time in the mid-first C BCE. They got round the lack of a pantheon of gods by using the Messiah figure as their dying and rising God-Man. Their motive was to encourage like-minded homeland Jews who were suffering persecution from the Hasmonean traditionalists. This makes the earliest "Christians" Gnostics of a sort.
They employed the usual two tier approach. There were the Outer Mysteries, open to all and consisting of the "stories of Jesus". Those few who did more than just accept these fictions and asked the right questions were initiated into the Inner Mysteries and, if successful, in time attained Gnosis - experiential knowledge of God. (That's an awfully brief summary - please research further).
It was NOT a success; most Jews saw through it. However, when presented to Gentiles and shorn of the (painful) requirements of Jewish Law, it did much better.
In the upheavals following the first Jewish revolt, some groups of proto-christians lost their leaders (the tried and tested Roman tactic was - kill the shepherd and you can ignore the sheep). With no skilled initiators left, middle management had to do the best it could, which was to ditch the Inner Mysteries and concentrate on the Jesus stories. Fictions became historical fact. "Only believe, and you shall be saved!" "Incarnatus est!"
This scandalised other groups, but what could they do? Rome became the focus of these authoritarian literalists and, in time, their organisation and mass appeal attracted the attention of a 4th C emperor. The rest, as they say, is history.
Such is the hypothesis. The poor old Gnostics were too elitist; their initiations took too much time and effort for most. They had no chance against those who knew God's mind and were never slow to tell their (grateful) flock what that was. Now as then, the poor and mean and humble need a simple faith. They are too busy surviving (or whatever) to spend much time thinking about their faith. And their leaders know this and rejoice!
If you got this far, thanks for reading.
The Way of the Mister is divided into two epochs: N.B. (New Baskerville) and H.L. (Helvetica Light).
Having been a graphic designer and typographer for decades, this comment makes me smile more than you could possibly imagine! Personally, I was always an ITC Garamond kind of guy. I fucking LOVE that X-height.
@@misterdeity An atheist, UA-cam auteur, graphic designer, AND musician? I want to be both you and Adam Savage at the same time!
Meanwhile: do a search for "Hillvetica" (exact spelling). That's me. A little blip in the timeline, April 2015.
Man, I love your videos 🤠
Man, I love your comments! 🤓
Robert Price is always a good reference\source for biblical criticism.
Third! If I can prove I exist, that is...
wait so there was no european dude with long hippie hair walking around in the ancient middle east performing magic tricks?
Hey Mr Deity, do you know - and if yes, would you recommend - Richard Carrier's "On the Historicity of Jesus"? Or is there better literature on this topic?
That book has a lot to digest. To me, it sounds as if he's at least glanced at it, though.
Headed in the right direction at least.
Look into the work of Robert Price or David Fitzgerald's 'Nailed' or 'Mything in Action'.
They're both well known mythesists.
Try Ken Humphreys too
All three have quite a bit of content here on YT
I believe he has a video (or series) on the historicity on YT. Very smart guy…
Richard Carrier's newest book, Jesus From Outer Space is probably a better way to start with his material. OHJ is a peer-reviewed, heavily footnoted academic tome. JFOS is a redacted, more accessible version.
Another good source here on YT is Derek Lambert's "MythVision Podcast" channel. He regularly interviews Dr.Price and other highly respected academic authorities regarding on-topic subjects including Dr. Carrier.
Richard is freaking amazing!!! He’s a dear friend, and I recommend anything he does. Most interesting are his insights regarding the application of Bayes’ theorem to such questions. Fascinating!!!
One For Israel is advertising on your channel. I suppose their message is as equally offensive to practicing jews as yours is to practicing christians but I don't know if that's a good reason to take their money. ;P
I do love Caesar Salad.
Mr. Deity, Damn, diabolically, delicious dialogue deserves dynamic deposits denoting dinero! That was so good, if I'd had more time I might of been able to think of another money with a d in english. Oh, duh, dough! I don't know why my brain went there. Overload. Your looks, what you said being so true and brilliant, your delivery, (damn, should got that in there, too,) lol. 👍🥰✌😷🎃
Dinero is so much more cosmopolitan and worldly. Trust your instincts. They’re great!!! Didn’t mean to sound like Tony The Tiger there. 😘
Hi Laura. I preferred the artistic pile of Plato.
@@bdf2718 Hi sweetie! Well, I'm lost on the Plato thing, lol, but don't forget, I'm pretty undereducated. 😘🥰✌😷
@@laurajarrell6187 The picture was of Play-Doh.
@@bdf2718 Oh, yes, I had forgotten that. That was good. Damn, I even remember the smell of it. 👍🥰😘
Maybe I'd believe in Jesus if he had a salad.
Or at least a dressing. Even Paul Newman has that and I have a hard time believing he exists, too.
a Jesus Nailad?
Fish slices in wine in a bread bowl?
I guess that's more of a signature Jesus sandwich. Maybe you could throw some cursed figs in there for good measure.
@@Dwayne_Bearup He and the Sundance Kid died for their sins.
Uh, I hate to break it to you but Paul Newman doesn’t exist anymore either… love his salad dressing tho…
I'll give you one, from 66 CE until 350+/- CE the Flavians created a "Dark Age". At the end of the Maccabean rebellion, Vespasian had taken the Tempal's writings back to Rome. All History after 66 CE was funneled thru the Flavians and Rome.
I'm actually glad that I didn't know ceasar dressing has anchovies in it, or I would've dismissed it completely.
I liked the visual Plato pun.
If you lived near a Portillo's you'd have one more salad in addition to your Caesar... Chopped.
It should be remembered that early Christians expected the world to come to an end at any moment. If the author of Matthew exaggerated a wee bit, who would be around in a few years to contradict him?
Current Christians think that also. “The End is Neigh”! Or is it “Nay”? I can never remember…
@@richardbruning Nigh. No...Nye? Something like that.
I can't tell you how many Christians I've had to tell that no one that wrote the bible knew Jesus. They just look dumb struck. Until I tell them that none of the writers were written by the names in the bible. It's so strange how many of them don't know the bible.
i grew up in the church. when people are taught that the bible is true from a young age they have the tendency to take it for granted that the bible is “true”. for me personally, when i was growing up, everyone i knew happened to be christian. until i met someone who wasn’t christian it hadn’t occurred to me to actually research the bible from outside of the bible. i think to some extent people who are believers don’t want to give up their beliefs about god, and thus don’t want to actually know anything about the bible that you can’t learn from reading the bible.
"Abracadumbra" Awesome!
You should have surpassed ALL the atheist content by now
And that's not hate at the folks I dig
I just dig you the most
All the good juju to and algorithm gods blessings your way
Although I know there is no historical evidence for the existence of Dionysus, since I enjoy red wine, I choose to partake in his sacrament ... It matters not whether he does or ever did exist, a good red wine is still a fine thing! As to Jesus? They claim that he did once turn water into wine, so maybe he was a follower of Dionysus ....
Dionysus himself could perform that trick. It's almost as if the christians were COPYING the idea for their god.
“Are you hungry now?” Yes…..
"The Case Against the Case for Christ." Read that book, and you'll never be a Christian again.
Got an add from jews for jesus on the way in. Hail Bop
Had Jesus accelerated to the speed of light when he left the atmosphere, he wouldn't even be out of the Milky Way yet. So where is Heaven?
First we are told that Godjesus is always watching over us; shadowing us. Sometimes even carrying us a la Footprints in the Sand. But when asked why all the miracles evaporated just as science and reason ascended, we hear that Godjesus has _withdrawn_ from the world (but will return any day now).
Ghosts are immaterial, so they're not bound by the speed of light. And Hell is probably Sagittarius A*
He'll return any minute now with fire and sword and turn earth into an apocalyptic wasteland. A really great chump that Jesus dude, totally worth worshipping
Nazareth wasn't a place until the third century because of Constantine's wife. Who only found caves and turned it into a place called Nazareth
My understanding is that it was a place off and on depending on whomever invaded.
But, was not an inhabited place around the time of jesus. Then Constantine's wife.....
The Nazareens were a Jewish cult around that time. It's likely that the mythical Jezus character got mixed up with John the Nazareen (If I remember the name correctly), the leader of said cult.
We have to just admit it, the entire species is a cult.
A cult with hats.
Hats are mandatory.
Hats mite be the best part.
I have asked many believers what happened to the dead that rose from their graves (Matthew 27:52-53) when Jesus died. I have never gotten any sort of reasonable answer. Most say that the bible doesn't tell us. I ask hem if such an event as people known to have been dead and buried coming back to life and walking around town should have made it into Roman history and I get crickets. If the bible is true then this happened. Why is Jesus resurrection the only thing that matters? If dead people actually were actually resurrected that is a big freaking deal, and you hardly ever hear Christians talk about...hummmm.
Religion’s kinda a pick and choose worldview…
i do have proof of the existence of jesus.
he just gave me a receipt for the dry rot work he just did in my house.
I bet he did great work... that's real and provable.
@@calonstanni
well, he’s a miracle worker after all.
does his last name happen to be martinez?
A classmate once asked me why so many Muslims are named Mohammed, but no Christian is named Jesus. The guy had never been to a latin country (I'm from Germany by the way). Even funnier, his best friend's name was Christian and we had two Christina's in our class.
@@maythesciencebewithyou
Joshua is another version of jesus.
both are descended from yeshuah.
That's because Alexander was the son of Olympia and Zeus, not Apollo.
There's more evidence for Yoda than Jesus (he even had a baby).
And we certainly have more than enough footage.
Here is the truth young Padawan - Yoda is real. He inspired Lucas to make those movies. He knew that humans would never accept it as a true story, so he inspired George to write it as fiction, so that knowledge of the Force, and the ideals of the Jedi could become part of our culture. And when the time is right, all the Jedi Masters who conquered death (praised be their names) shall come to Earth to teach us the true nature of the universe, and how to overcome death itself! Thus speaketh the prophet of Yoda. I know this because he came to my house for some chicken wings last week :-)
@@pdoylemi good one Pat. Star Wars is truly the greatest story ever told.
@@GuitarDog_atx
At least among them - though the JJ Abrams crap is annoying to me. But Yoda says he didn't inspire that :-)
I know God is real. Joseph Smith would not tell a lie.
But... but... the bible says the bible is true! And that's not illogical because I hereby define the bible as inerrant!
Duh, bible is the evidence, and if we took all of the bibles and piled them up that would be HUUUUUUUUUUGE pile of evidence. A mountain of it XD
Which Marvel character do you think Jesus actually was, and do you have a link to the good quality, believable fanfic they were in?
Well, it sure isn't Dead Pool!
He was the caterer. Could feed the Avengers through a tough fight with only a goldfish and a piece of toast.
How about Lazarus coming back from the dead...and that's it. No account of his experience while dead, nothing. It's just ignored and the greatest story ever told continues over another gaping plot hole.
Lazarus had to sign an NDA to get resurrected. The first rule of death club is that you can't talk about death club. Or, "What happens in the afterlife stays in the afterlife!"
@@pdoylemi I never got the NDA. The legal team didn't make it into my afterlife. I had a NDE, involving gods, entities, images, and an afterlife I do not literally or figuratively believe in, nor did I ever, in a different time and culture than the one I live in. I make some amusing statements about it from time to time, do not think it represents anything except where my brain went when it was in serious trouble.
The one mistake I made was NOT telling my life insurance company about it, along with supporting evidence of my death. There wasn't a darned thing in that paperwork about me STAYING dead! I would have an extra few hundred thousand..... live and learn, I guess.
@@rudra62
I like the life insurance idea, but they would give you the line from Miracle Max in the Princess Bride - you were only MOSTLY dead. "Mostly dead means a little alive, with all dead there's only one thing you can do... go through his clothes and look for loose change."
@@pdoylemi Yeah, I don't think it would have gotten anywhere. As far as "go through clothes and look for loose change", (someone at) the hospital did that very well. My wedding ring along with other jewelry disappeared, cash disappeared, and I was subjected to identity theft - but that's a different story.
@@rudra62
Sorry to hear that.
Yeah! But, . . . lol! The power to allow contempt into the mind is all that religion will ever be!
Why did Jesus himself not leave us literary works of his own?
Why must we make do with some unsigned narratives penned decades later, intended for Greek speaking audiences?
What Depeche Mode song title best sums up misterdeity videos?
Eat It, Weird Al Yankovic
If JESUS is Christian, Weird Al was in Depeche Mode. He was the frontman, in fact.
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What does he mean by "mass resurections" at the end of this video?
in one of the gospels, right after jesus died on the cross, it mentions that there several people who supposedly rose from the grave and walked around jerusalem
Matthew 27:52-53
The story is that many saints got up out of their graves after Jesus's resurrection, walked into Jerusalem, and were seen there by many.
Matthew 27:52-53
The story is that many saints got up out of their graves after Jesus's resurrection, walked into Jerusalem, and were seen there by many.
Y'all dusn't git it Brian! See, nun o' them other gods is reel! So acourse we dusn't believe no magical stories about their followers! But since are god is reel, it makes perfect sense! Ya see?
Thank you, Pat! Your comments are always so enlightening. I DO get it now. What would I do without your wisdom - and amazing spelling (that really WAS impressive)? Always good to see you here in the comments. And I'm genuinely sorry about that Caesar salad thing.
@@misterdeity
I think you would do well - but I hope I contribute a bit. And when you grow up in South Carolina, and Virginia in the 1960s, the "dialect" comes fairly naturally. And in the last, you prove that your are a good deity - willing to ask forgiveness of your humble creations rather than demanding pleas to you - thus, you are forgiven.
No no. The zombies are allegorical. You really don’t get it do you?
You say it's allegorical but others think it legitimately happened
SOME of them are allegorical. sheesh, you're not using context contextually.
Got it. Allegory. A fable, a myth, unconnected to any literal truth, invented, then presented as if fact.
We should remember this when reading anything in the bible.
A historian, you apostate of a/an-ism.
Nice use of historicity though. I would have guessed the word was historosity or historicalocity, although I guess they sort have of a truthiness ring to them.
I agree with you that the historical concept of Jesus doesn't really matter that much in a conversation about the Biblical Jesus. It would be like bringing up the Historical Pocahontas in a conversation about the Disney movie. Except at least in that conversation everyone knows that the Disney movie is fictional and no one seriously believes that Pocahontas or John Smith ever randomly broke out into song for no reason or spoke to a magical talking willow tree.
I do disagree with you however that you can't dissociate the two... Actually that's really the wrong word to use here cause there's nothing to dissociate. Just as Disney's Pocahontas and the real world Historical figure are two entirely different things as one actually exists and the other is a work of fiction so to is Jesus. You actually NEED to be able to separate the two to understand that the Biblical concept of Jesus is not Historical as that fictional character as he's written in the Bible never existed. The historical Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible. He's a mortal man who's mother was not a virgin but I imagine she told people she was and convinced them she was because if they knew she cheated on her husband and had a child with a man she wasn't married to back in that time period both her and the child would of been killed. I'm sure no knew back then that it's possible to have sex without breaking the hymen cause there's people today who still don't know it's possible and that's all she would have to do to convince people she was still a virgin is show an unbroken hymen. Such a thing would have easily been unheard of and enough to convince people that the only way she could of gotten pregnant is God did it. The supposed miracles Jesus performed were either never done at all or in some causes such as turning water into wine can be explained as modern stage magicians have use slight of hand tricks to do exactly the same thing. It's not real magic, it's something literally anyone can learn how to do. And the resurrection just straight up never happened otherwise Jesus himself would still be around today leading the Christian religion himself. Since no one has ever seen him walking around among us, and given a piece of toast some people thinks looks like Jesus made the news I imagine meeting the actual real life Jesus would have also made the news on a daily basis if he were alive walking around among us right now. Anything magical the Bible claims about Jesus is just like the magical talking willow tree from that movie, clearly that didn't happen and if you think that's an accurate representation of the real history, I've got an invisible mansion to sell you, don't worry about undressing on what appears to be an vacant lot in the middle of a field, I assure you there's a huge mansion there and no one can see you while you're inside it unless you want them to. ;)
Personally, I believe in Abraham Lincoln , Vampire Hunter. Just look at all the historical facts that movie got right, so clearly old Abe also hunted very real vampires.
@@pdoylemi I'm going to assume that was sarcasm... I actually forgot that movie existed... But yeah same thing... No one seriously believes Vampires are real just because a clearly fictional movie placed a historical figure into a fictional story about vampires.
Jesus is a real historical figure just like Abe. But anything magical the Bible claims about him is purely the work of fiction just like that movie.
@@RialVestro
Yes - definitely sarcasm, using the same justifications Christians use for historical Jesus. And I agree that Jesus is likely a real historical figure - cults usually start with a cult leader after all.
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I might argue that there can be some value in following Jesus. So long as the teachings and lessons are filtered and selected with rational thought. Others might argue that they aren't true Christians. But I might respond that all Christians pick and choose the teachings and rules they follow.
If they're all cafeteria Christians anyway, I at least have more respect for the type that doesn't believe a God that made hell is just and loving.
What you’re talking about is being a rational person. You find teachings that are good, help make the world and yourself better - whoever taught them, and you embrace them. This picking and choosing is simply the idea that some teachings are good and some aren’t. Embrace one. Reject the other. It’s so simple!!!
@@misterdeity Why yes. Yes I am.
You wouldn't think that it would be needed to mention that it's good to be rational in deciding how to live our lives, but here we are...
But then, that can be one of the traps of religions. Allowing someone else to determine what's good and rational, so that people don't have to think about it for themselves so much.
@@stevewebber707 Exactly! As TheraminTrees puts it: "People who don't want you to think are never your friend".
I would say that person is then just applying their own moral values to the teaching of the bible and making a judgement. Therefore, what's the point of the bible anyway if they are just using their own judgement to decide what is acceptable or not?
My question is, what did Jesus ever teach that was not either old news already or, if read correctly, really stupid advice? Most of what he taught only makes sense if you truly believe the world is ending extremely soon, and that all that matters is the afterlife.
Did Nazareth even exist 2,000 years ago?
I dunno. But great rock 'n' roll is timeless and Nazareth had some pretty good hits with "Love Hurts", "Hair of the Dog", and "Dream On".
@@trigonzobob i see what you did there.
You do get my point though, yes? The holy people claim there is better evidence for their guy when there isn't even solid evidence for the background of their story - as Mr D said, "Was it Bethlehem or Nazareth?" If his home town didn't even exist when the story is supposed to have happened, then at the very least, the where or the when must be wrong. This does not sit well with claims of a solid grounding in history at all, does it?
No.
plado. hmm.
But Brian some believe you! At least Jesus story helps you believe or disbelive either or is a form of belief!
Its helped some as a way of a coping mechanism.
Believeing all you do and have in life and the relationships you have with people will one day cease to exist is rather demoralising if you think and dwell on it.
What about justice or meeting the demands of justice. Is there no justice for those who deserve it.
Your ideas whilst very logical provide little or no comfort
Or do they?
I’m not here to provide comfort. And I believe seeking comfort over truth is an act profound cowardice which has cursed humanity for millennia. It creates far more problems than it solves. Embrace reality and do what can actually be done to make THIS world a better place. For the last 400 years, that’s what science has given the world. Which is why you live in an infinitely better world than those who lived 400 years ago. That doesn’t happen seeking your own comfort and imagining all will be made right in a world to come. Don’t reason from want. It’s pure narcissism.
@@misterdeity it is a better world in some ways but not all. Science has developed the Hydrogen bomb and other weapons of destruction which means one man can kill so many so easily. There is a limit to killing when done by the sword people tire.
People whether you like it or not naturally seek comfort when death and distruction faces them.
What sort of justice are you talking about? One where 2 people commit a "sin", and every human after them is condemned for it? One where a mass murder need only "come to Jesus" before his execution, and God welcomes him to heaven? One where a man can rape his daughter for years, and Jesus' forgiveness is all that matters, not *hers?* One where somebody can be completely loving and altruistic, living up to all the ideals of christianity, but if he doesn't believe in Jesus, he gets to burn for eternity?
I don't think christians know the 1st thing about 'justice'.
As for the bomb: total casualties due to WW2 were about 70-85 million. Of those, only 190-230 thousand were due to atomic bombs. Also, note that the religious also do science, so it's not either/or. Religious scientists would eventually have produced atomic weapons as well.
@@jursamaj i am not saying these things you are!
Did i say Christians know about Justice well there all people and people hope for some form of justice. Hence we have laws in lands. We have laws to do with war geneva convention. Justice should be for all. Sometimes people have justice melted upon them sometimes not.
Victims demand justuce whether it happens or not.
People of other faiths hope there is justice in the future.
As to hydogen bombs etc your splitting hairs science has contributed to weapons of all kinds.
What im saying is religions like christisnity, islam , judiasm have helped people to have hope and some measure of comfort also other religions like what the Romans and Greeks had they all help some people. If you get hope and comfort out of science good for you but its not everyones cup of tea.
I personally see science as a form of Godlyness as its intelligence and creating things if used for good.
You cant explain the whole world just with science or just with religion as the more you know the more you know u dontc know
@@Cyrusmagi All those unjust things I mentioned are inherent to christian theology, among others. That's why I mention them when people try to tell me that religion is about a desire for eventual justice.
Anyone who adds a s or an adverb to a word that doesn't allow it. I automatically dismiss them.
Good to know. I'm glad you feel important enough to let us all know. Self-esteem is a valuable thing. And you are nailing it!!!
@@misterdeity no, I wasn't talking about u. I was talking about the apologists and such.
@@tfive24 It's the same really, no matter who you use that complaint against. Yes, unorthodox use of language bothers some people, but it's how language evolves over time.
John was a student of Christ. Polycarp and Ignatius were students of John. Irenaeus was a student of Polycarp, etc. You would think that it might come up in polite conversation that the guy they were willing to lay their life down for never really existed.
Paul knew the brother of Jesus and the other Disciples of Jesus. What is Robert Price's answer for this? You see, Paul was a myth also LOL LOL
even the Catholic church (the OLDEST stewards of the xian faith) acknowledges that john and the other gospels were WRITTEN BY SOMEONE else.
STOP LYING.
@@darthvirgin7157 Paul was in agreement with the other Apostles. They were all in agreement on the deity of Christ. Any other point is moot
All four Gospels speak of the resurrection of Christ. Mathew has Him saying all authority is given Him in heaven and earth. Making Him equal with God
@@bungalobill7941
“...on the DIVINITY of ...”
please read more english. you might learn something.
@@darthvirgin7157 Great argument LOL
@@bungalobill7941 it was a great argument. i just implied your lack of knowledge and references, and you completely missed it.
a gullible delusional individual usually misses those types of barbs.