Even with the changes, the spec still doesn’t feel like a modern caster. Playing mage and warlock on the beta and the difference between how well their specs flow compared to Ele is night and day. Ele still feels ancient sadly
I've always felt that it just feels clunky. I mained it through shadowlands and just gave up on it for DF.... Like you said, I've played other casters on beta and they're just miles ahead with regards to flow.
I’m going to disagree. I’ve played them all as well and I think ele flows just as good if not better and lots of utility. Seriously considering it as new main. Wanted to give an alternative opinion here since so many people echo negativity
@@virtualb01 it 100% does not flow as well as mage while having less utility. Ele unless overtuned will continue to see less participation in m+ and raiding as mages
Or like an earth shatter rock-oriented kind of thing. Maybe bring back earth spike for this purpose? We're the only class that hucks rocks or rends earth, so I'm always super stoked when I see them emphasizing more of that unique-to-shaman flavor.
Hey man! Love your videos. Been following you since BFA launch. I appreciate your perspective and attitude. Hoping you’re well. Looking forward to some streams for TWW!
I'm super excited for this and can't wait to play it. I can't wait to make a build around Primal Elementalist, and taking all the different talents that make your elementals enhanced, around the Lightning Rod/Stormbringer playstyle. getting to mix in all my spells, not having to hate Icefury anymore, and doing everything to maximize my Storm Ele window seems like a fun playstyle that can be unique to Shamans
Class tree and QoL changes: Amazing. Perfect. Exceptional. Ele tree changes: All the same gameplay loops except worse with lower maelstrom generation, WLR IS GONE, LMT still poorly designed, the good prim wave talents are gone. Probably going to be playing echo builds with the tier set which is lame to me but may be fun to some. Enhance actually feel great, because it already felt good it just needed some help in a few areas, which we received. So be very happy there were limited enhance changes. My ideal changes would have been all the class tree changes, the Icefury changes, then LMT rework to pulse flame shocks to up to 6 targets in the area for the duration. If target is already affected by flame shock, deals some small amount of damage. Or even better, no cooldown on flame shock
Ele shaman doesn't have enough instant casts. It only has 1 hard instant cast every 5s. It loses maelstrom too quickly ooc. And lightning bolt cast times just feel too high.
The worst part is, mastery overloads were how lightning bolt and chain damage worked well. If you play lightning bolt now, the damage is worse and the maelstrom generation is really low now. All they have to do is fix that and we’ll see more diversified builds flavor the stew. Overall good changes. We need to give feedback right away about the pros and cons so they will still make the changes. They’re clearly changing classes the most right now and then you’ll see dungeon/raid tuning and then final class tuning. We must doom in order to be relevant to blizzard. So start dooming to them 😅
@@S1D3RAL ok the 2% helps melee and the 20% additional auto attack also helps them. Elemental should of a caster buff, or a universal buff like 5% spell crit damage
@fifthgear2130 yes I understand that. Was just stating the 2% still helps the caster half. Shaman has always historically been a melee buffing class though so even allowing them a button press raid buff increasing mastery is just cherries on top of the windfury
I've always played elemental. But Arcane is just more fun on the beta, by quite allot. Better damage, better playstyle and feels really good to hit buttons. Shaman gonna have to sit it out a bit for this expansion again. Might give enhance a go tho :) Instant tempests are nice.
@l_Nightbot_l not that unpopular. Every time meatball builds become meta I'm always like so a shittier fire mage that has extra steps to get to the fire balls
Is it just me or does it seem like this is overwhelmingly a nerf to elemental shaman? Previously, every % of mastery gave about 0.8-0.9% damage. Now it's more like 0.6% damage per percent of mastery. Furthermore, it's not fun to throw marshmallows at the opponent. 35% additional bonus damage is laughable unless they majorly bump the base damage. I want to hurl giant meatballs of death at the opponent, not little spark balls... As for the maelstrom generation nerf across the board, like what was that about? And sure, talents cost less but in a lot of cases, they also give less. I was excited to return to the game to play some meatball lord ele but now, I severely doubt my subscription will be renewed.
Do yourself and everyone else a favor and unsub like you claim you would. You were so far off in your guessing of what the changes would do it's not even close.
13:30 If you've ever had an EQ end up on a random chandelier you know exactly why they implemented those changes. I'm hyped about that change
HAHAHA
Even with the changes, the spec still doesn’t feel like a modern caster. Playing mage and warlock on the beta and the difference between how well their specs flow compared to Ele is night and day. Ele still feels ancient sadly
I've always felt that it just feels clunky. I mained it through shadowlands and just gave up on it for DF.... Like you said, I've played other casters on beta and they're just miles ahead with regards to flow.
I’m going to disagree. I’ve played them all as well and I think ele flows just as good if not better and lots of utility. Seriously considering it as new main. Wanted to give an alternative opinion here since so many people echo negativity
@@virtualb01 it 100% does not flow as well as mage while having less utility. Ele unless overtuned will continue to see less participation in m+ and raiding as mages
@@virtualb01 You don't have to disagree, you're just objectively wrong. Elemental is at the bottom of every playability tier list.
As a mage main i also felt that it is extremly clunky but i cant realy tell why that is
Should make a node that changes lava burst to lightning burst or something for people trying to do lighting builds.
or a glyph
@@Roflcorso I've been wanting a glyph that turned lava burst into the old chunky ball that lightning bolt was back in vanilla
Or like an earth shatter rock-oriented kind of thing. Maybe bring back earth spike for this purpose? We're the only class that hucks rocks or rends earth, so I'm always super stoked when I see them emphasizing more of that unique-to-shaman flavor.
Imagine Blizzard letting us cast LB while moving… yeah I know a Shaman can dream.
@@Allimusion those were the good ol days
It does zero damage. Literally no reason for it not to be able to be cast while moving. Would make the spec flow wayy better
Hey man! Love your videos. Been following you since BFA launch.
I appreciate your perspective and attitude. Hoping you’re well. Looking forward to some streams for TWW!
Excited for a Storm Elementalist Summoner build
I'm super excited for this and can't wait to play it. I can't wait to make a build around Primal Elementalist, and taking all the different talents that make your elementals enhanced, around the Lightning Rod/Stormbringer playstyle. getting to mix in all my spells, not having to hate Icefury anymore, and doing everything to maximize my Storm Ele window seems like a fun playstyle that can be unique to Shamans
Tiqqle looks like the actor who plays Khadgar in the warcraft movie.
He is
Im rdy for the role
The earthquake change is great when the tank has to kite
They're gonna just give me BLOODLUST?!?! No more 0% Haste! Praise the Elements!
You know what build we doing ;)
good video my man
Thanks fam!
Oh man I cant wait for the enhance focus!
Hopefully they will do that too!
The new ice fury is pretty exciting
Class tree and QoL changes: Amazing. Perfect. Exceptional.
Ele tree changes: All the same gameplay loops except worse with lower maelstrom generation, WLR IS GONE, LMT still poorly designed, the good prim wave talents are gone. Probably going to be playing echo builds with the tier set which is lame to me but may be fun to some.
Enhance actually feel great, because it already felt good it just needed some help in a few areas, which we received. So be very happy there were limited enhance changes.
My ideal changes would have been all the class tree changes, the Icefury changes, then LMT rework to pulse flame shocks to up to 6 targets in the area for the duration. If target is already affected by flame shock, deals some small amount of damage. Or even better, no cooldown on flame shock
Ele shaman doesn't have enough instant casts. It only has 1 hard instant cast every 5s. It loses maelstrom too quickly ooc. And lightning bolt cast times just feel too high.
@@firebeard2243 Lightning bolt is fine with a storm build
Wow stone bulwark from wrath is back
Is the talent Lava Surge now baseline for ele? Or is it removed from the ele spec?
Yes it is baseline!
Have you worked out a guide yet?
Played beta, I am ready for lightning build of ele and enhancement lol I love the totemic theme but it needs a little love
People seemed to be dooming at this when released. Funny how a different perspective changes things.
Enhance is so depressing in pvp
The worst part is, mastery overloads were how lightning bolt and chain damage worked well. If you play lightning bolt now, the damage is worse and the maelstrom generation is really low now. All they have to do is fix that and we’ll see more diversified builds flavor the stew. Overall good changes. We need to give feedback right away about the pros and cons so they will still make the changes. They’re clearly changing classes the most right now and then you’ll see dungeon/raid tuning and then final class tuning. We must doom in order to be relevant to blizzard. So start dooming to them 😅
I swear we were screaming in shadowlands, ALL WE WANT IS SPAMM INSTANT LAVABURSTS!
4 YEARS LATER AND WE ARE SICK OF IT HAHAHAHAHA
The raid buff is good, but i wish it was a caster buff instead of a melee one... so it actually benefited Elemental and other casters
2% mastery buff is still decent for the caster half of the raid.
@@S1D3RAL ok the 2% helps melee and the 20% additional auto attack also helps them. Elemental should of a caster buff, or a universal buff like 5% spell crit damage
@fifthgear2130 yes I understand that. Was just stating the 2% still helps the caster half. Shaman has always historically been a melee buffing class though so even allowing them a button press raid buff increasing mastery is just cherries on top of the windfury
I've always played elemental. But Arcane is just more fun on the beta, by quite allot.
Better damage, better playstyle and feels really good to hit buttons.
Shaman gonna have to sit it out a bit for this expansion again.
Might give enhance a go tho :) Instant tempests are nice.
If you are Stormbringer you would have Storm Elemental since it buffs your lightening bolts
Enhance video waiting room : /
while the Thunderstrike Ward is cool, it's damage needs to be increased by like 4x at least. same with earthen rage.
2% mastery buff, rdruid/shaman synergy inc, thats a massive amount of mastery if rdruid gets 2%
For all specs?
How is bro still squatting in some half built house 😭
Unpopular opinion:
Hate lava spells. I would delete that shit and focus only on Lightning +Earth spells
I agree! It kind of overlaps with Fire Mage and Destro Lock. I’d love to just see Lightning and Earth spells flying everywhere…
@l_Nightbot_l not that unpopular. Every time meatball builds become meta I'm always like so a shittier fire mage that has extra steps to get to the fire balls
It feel just for pve and not pvp …
I want flame shock to be replaced by Electric shock and lava burst should be Electric burst. I just hate the visual of lava burst!
u sure it works with the shield imbue? shield isnt a weapon i meaaaan
Time to test
Is it just me or does it seem like this is overwhelmingly a nerf to elemental shaman? Previously, every % of mastery gave about 0.8-0.9% damage. Now it's more like 0.6% damage per percent of mastery. Furthermore, it's not fun to throw marshmallows at the opponent. 35% additional bonus damage is laughable unless they majorly bump the base damage. I want to hurl giant meatballs of death at the opponent, not little spark balls... As for the maelstrom generation nerf across the board, like what was that about? And sure, talents cost less but in a lot of cases, they also give less. I was excited to return to the game to play some meatball lord ele but now, I severely doubt my subscription will be renewed.
I think they want to move maelstrom generation to the hero talents, like farseer spirits
Do yourself and everyone else a favor and unsub like you claim you would. You were so far off in your guessing of what the changes would do it's not even close.
Bye.
As someone who planned to come back to enhancement next xpack: :(
It's close to good. Still convoluted af and unbalanced spells
Just not the changes I wanted
Now you show up you've been silent forever.. we need ENHANCE shaman support
i dont think stormbringer will be that good in arenas, relies on hardcasting too much.
Yea i can only see pvp for ele being very similar to DF which i loved but, cant see many viable alternative builds
elemental NEEDED the rework. Incredibly poorly laid out and talents that just didn't work well, or at times at all, together.
neutering overload damage is whack as fuck
Means they can tune our base spells to not hit like noodles. Lava burst used to actually hit hard