HOW TO LOAD A HORSE THAT WON'T LOAD WITHOUT A STICK OR FLAG
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- Опубліковано 14 вер 2019
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Thank you for actually using an untrained horse to demonstrate!
No kidding!!!! How many have I seen with an obviously trained horse. Yeah I could do that too with the easy horse.
This worked!!! Got my horse loaded twice! She is the most “mare-ish” mare ever… attitude about everything, absolute nightmare to load! Got her loaded within 5 mins with this method!
I watched this video and followed the instructions exactly. It worked EXACTLY as the trainer showed! I have a young and inexperienced Morgan mare. I managed to get her to get on the trailer twice and then just all out refusal. She was not fearful or really showing any bad behavior. Time 1 and 2 - success. Time 3 and 4 - no success. Watched the video. Time 5 - on within 15 minutes. Time 6 - on within 4 minutes. Feels so good to have this success with her and she seems happy about it too. Thank you for your help!
Thank you. Thought I was alone in this behavior of yes & no. Having no consistency is driving me crazy. There is hope!
I started by backing my horse off shorter ledges and increased over time. I used the pull/release technique and grain, which sped up the process. After one week we are loading with confidence, off and on with grain. Now no grain required, loading and backing out with ease.
This video is the best help I’ve found in a trailering video EVER! Had my horse in and out 6 times within a 10 minute span. Thank you!
This worked yesterday for me. I have tried everything. This WORKED! Thank you!
This method worked on my horse. None of the more traditional methods (make them work away from trailer, etc) i see in videos were getting us very far with this horse. We had him loading repeatedly within an hour. Thanks!
I know this is an older video, but thanks for making it. Got a horse from an auction, and he does not load well at all. This is helpful, and I will continue working with him.
Glad it helped
Great stuff! Well done )
Thx!! Just did this - and it works! Loaded her 5 times.
This is working for me and my paint Mel. Thank you!!!
This IMO was the best video for me to watch! I watched many videos but the problem is that the horse being used is NOT REALLY a problem horse so to show it getting on a trailer is not realistic. My horse is only put on the trailer once or twice a year and acts just like in this video. Good to know i was using this technique but just gave up too quickly :) thanks for the video!
Thank you!! We just purchased a 3 y/o gelding for our daughter and he didn’t want to load for us. I used your method and had him loaded in about 30 minutes! Now he loads with ease!
You are welcome. Thank you for the comment
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I just couldn’t get my pony in my trailer, she just wouldn’t go in! I tried this and she went in in less than 2 two minutes! Thank you so much! I even tried getting her in by using food! She just wouldn’t go in! I’m so happy! Tysm!
This is the method I use to- works well. I would have released to more of his ‘try’s’ though. Good explanation.
This is my horse, he even looks like my horse (a line back Dunn). OMG, mines a mustang as well. I really like your attitude about how to handle the loading
Our girl really spazzes out, and we've managed to get her in using a stick/lunge whip, but yesterday she absolutely wasn't having it, and when we finally got her in and clipped her, didn't get the door shut fast enough - she broke her halter and took off, and there was no getting her back in. Missed an entire weekend show because of it. So, we're going to give this a try over the next week to see if we can get her to load naturally instead of the fight it's turned into (she goes sideways both ways, whale eyes, ears pinned, and tries to run us over). I'll update on whether this works!
I feel your frustration!! I've missed multiple outings because of trailer issues. How is she now?
How would you work with a horse who backs off immediately after stepping on?
Thank you for this video!
You are so welcome! Thank you for your comment
My second time watching this vid. good insight especially the "1, good 2, good.....3, 4, not doing this anymore". I've noticed that but never put it together in a rhythm they have. Something to work with.
Thanks for the comment. So glad you got something out of it. 👍
We moved got two of our horses in trailer pretty easy, but the other two are being a nightmare today. So have them toed up to trailer, no food, wait till this evening to try again. They act like you trying to kill them. If they only knew how much bigger and more beautiful they were going too. 😂 The other two here are loving it.😊 watched a video where a guy feeds his horses in the trailer, and he just closes the door behind them, when he hauls. 😅😂
👌 patience is key👌
My horse does the exact same thing, he’s been through a lot and has had many bad loading experiences. This is the only method that helps him, he’s almost a pro
How would you know,?
@@minglim-pollard1167 bc… I don’t just buy my horses without a back story
I found your video really helpful, especially with regard to when our horses begin to say "no thank you" and us working through that resistance. Thank you for putting it out here!
@Lilianna Borrego i agree people shouldnt force their horses into trialers, thats just going to scare them more
If you have lots of time (days, not hours) you can habituate the horse to the trailer by placing food further and further into the trailer. You can just let him investigate on his own. Otherwise, waiting out the horse is the only way to go. For sure, don't loose your temper but be patient like in the video. Having the battle of the wills can have positive spill-over effects in other areas.
How long do you let them starve out... I keep giving in! Thanks.
It depends on their level of fear/ trauma. Horses with low/ no trauma will respond well to this method. They just need to get used to the sights/ sounds, and realize it won't hurt them. Horses who have had terrible experiences, and KNOW the trailer can hurt them, shouldn't go this route- it's just layering the stress of hunger to the trailer. You can always leave the bucket at the edge of the trailer, so only their head needs to go in, so they're at least comfortable being around it, they just might choose hunger over actually entering the trailer, and that's not an acceptable option to me.
My young Andalusian (PRE) is a bit same kind of character. Not in loading but sometimes when we are going to stable. Very nice and kind horse who is not afraid of anything and who is respecting humans, but who has a strong "leader" personality. I do not want to make him go backwards, when he is resisting, because he can willingly back up many kilometres :-D And the more he is moving the more he can also make the situation dramatic, so I avoid too much movement. Instead I also use the same kind of pressure and relief, and if the horse is trying to rear up I just keep the rope low.
I’ve noticed you released your pressure when he backed up. Your teaching him that backing up is the right answer to release pressure. Are you getting the job done? Yah… practice makes perfect right?
pulling is not the right thing to do especially not leaning. Rather make a circle to clear his mind and get back to it,but great vid
what would you do with a horse that's hit his head and won't go on
what would you do with a horse that's hit his head and is now refusing to get on?
What do you recommend for a very large TB who braces in the head? He'll back and pull me as far as he wants...I can't hold constant pressure without him dragging me. Any thoughts? To add, this only happens in trailering. He's great otherwise
I was wondering the same. I'm 90lbs and strong for my size but I can only brace so much!
So my gelding will get two feet in, I’ll release and praise, but then soon as I pull and hold he backs out. Then I have to start again. I can spend all day only getting that far.
Topman
We have a gelding that gave us a bit of a headache when it came to loading. We found this video last week, and tried a few times following your method and today he loaded 5 times with no issues at all - thank you for sharing 👍
My horse was exactly the same. Uncomfortable and saying No, but not scared. When he finally goes in, he throws himself out (backwards). We go in again and he does the same. I always let him back out, before I put pressure on the lead rope but that didn't work. There is never any time to close the door behind him so I don't even try since he's not "there" yet. I load him a lot but it's the same pattern. He can be calm when going in, stands still for a few seconds and then suddenly he backs out in high speed. Don't know what to do... I know the video is 2 years old but hopefully I can get an answer
Not all horses are going to be that easy. YOu will eventually run across one that takes more time and a loop around his butt. It's the same theory but those horses with more resistance will fight the poll pressure more. With the butt loop method you can direct the head and use the pressure and realease meathod at the same time. It might nessessary to put a panell on each side to keep him inline. It will take many days if he has Egyptian blood.
What do you suggest for a horse that will literally go straight up and over.
Good question. I let a little more rope out to prevent it if I can, then I ask for forward again and again and again and again until he feels clear on what I want and rewarded for it. Sometimes in extreme situations you have to give a little and just be more persistent. There are other techniques of course.
If your timing is right and your rope is long enough, it doesn’t happen.
Use a longer rope and check your timing. The horse should not feel so trapped that he flips over. If he does that, then your timing is very bad. Use a longer rope and watch your timing.
I’ve had my horse for 13 years. Got a new trailer and now all the sudden it’s no no no. He will sniff but when I pull he moves his body to try to dodge the corner or get parallel with the doors. Am I not releasing soon enough to avoid this body movement?
I spent 5 hours with him the other day and no luck. Going to keep this video in mind for next practice. Is it bad to put him away “winning” ?
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I’m sitting on my trailer watching this. Sucks.
I feel your pain
What type of halter are you using?
Half circle ranch rope halter. 👍
What about a horse that rears as soon as you put pressure on? Mines becoming increasingly dangerous
Walk in circles constantly
Put a light on inside the trailer so you are not asking them to go into a dark box
What about when they threaten to throw their heads up constantly and you have the concern of the animal hurting itself on the roof of the trailer. And also what about if they are trying to bite you once in.
more ground work and lots of bring the head to the ground helped my multi swirl grade Arab bay mare get a better grip.
Ok but how about a mare that rears backwards and explodes when you apply pressure? Are we doomed? Please help! She’s getting dangerous and will run away, doesn’t care who she hurts
Ground work and a light in the trailer
You spoke of you being able to trust the horse. What about the horse being able to trust you?
You seem like a very nice young man and I'm sure you are not of the mind that your way is the only way to do this. So let me offer you the following for you to think about.
The reason your horse did not reload immediately was, you were concentrating on loading instead of leading.
Now I know you're going to say something like WTF do I know that you do not!
Well, 45+ years as a professional horseman to begin with. As well as a whole host of other qualifications that would probably bore you to tears if I listed them all. And I have loaded horses of every stripe in every situation that were bad loaders, scared horses, “mean horses”, hurt horses, traumatized horses, etc. And I have never failed to load any horse in just a matter of minutes, with nothing but a cotton lead rope snapped in the bottom ring of the halter. NO, whips, sticks, butt ropes, feed, treats, etc. And certainly, no help from anyone, this is a one-person job.
And how did I do this miraculous thing that I seem to be bragging about, you may ask. Well, it is amazingly simple. In every instance, I concentrate on one thing and one thing only. LEADING the horse with very gentile tension release and never giving mixed signals to the horse. What mixed signals you may also ask.
The first thing you teach any horse when teaching them to lead is. When I turn to face you or look at you that means STOP. The second thing you teach is when I put my hand on you that means STAND STILL. So, if you want the horse to advance on request, never do either of those things.
Now you want the horse to advance on command, do this. Face the direction you wish to go with enough slack in the lead to allow for easy head movement. Then hold the lead in your right hand and place that hand firmly on your chest with the rope going to the horse flowing over the crook of your elbow. (NEVER LEAD A HORSE WITH AN EXTENDED ARM if you do your arm becomes spring and you cannot reward tension release fast enough for the horse to get the message). Now, do not look at the horse, just apply enough gentile tension on the lead by stepping forward to take out the slack. And stand very still, when the horse moves to get a release from that tension, no matter how small that movement. Calmly reach up with your hand and lightly rub the bridge on their nose, DO NOT LOOK at them and then repeat the process, each time ALLOWING the horse to get its own release and thus its reward for advancing. If the horse pulls back, just stay calm and become a post, do not give anything at all just let them come to the release on their own. Wash rinse and repeat until the horse is responding to the slightest of tension on the rope. Now you have reestablished the motivation for the horse to move forward on command. Because you are not giving the horse the reward, they are giving it to themselves, AH HA! A little light bulb comes on in your brain.
If you do this in every case the horse will respond positively, and you will never fail to load any horse in any trailer anywhere in any circumstance. Remember a horse trailer entrance is no different than a stall opening. When you enter a stall with the horse you are not thinking about loading, you are thinking about LEADING.
I can say this with confidence because I have loaded literally hundreds, perhaps thousands of horses over my career and never failed. FOLKS, it's all about leading, never about loading.
I think you are right in what you say, but I wonder if you have ever delt with the horse this man has in his hand. It is his take on what to do when the horse says NO that you might have missed if your horses are all trained up well and never get a bad experience then what you say is right for sure. But here we have an example of a horse who, for whatever reason, thinks he can say NO. I do not wish to follow you "there". It is more than just having good leading on that horse. I don't like all of the "pulling" but I learned something from this man. He states in the video that he is not working with a fractious or worried horse - he is not. He is working with a horse who thinks, for whatever reason, that NO is a possible answer to this problem. I have a horse who used to follow me anywhere - I could always get him in the trailer but he was very worried about being left in the trailer. At the point I sent him to a trainer for help I could always load him simply by loading a buddy first. Now he is back from the "trainer" and he is not in automatic autopilot about leading into the trailer. All of the ground work is good - unless we are trying to load into a trailer. I think your response lacks some perspective and that this video is helpful. Those who are not experienced with the horse or have a horse with high anxiety and bad ground manners would not have had the luck this presenter had given the method. For my situation, where the horse is not scared or worried but just NOT interested in getting in the trailer for me because he got in one for me once and I sent him to be trained by Satin in Hell and he does not want to go back there - that is the use case for this method. IMHO.
@@tiffanydsonny Tiffany clearly you missed an important part of my post. I suggest that you go back and read it more carefully. I clearly state without equivocation that the method I use, works in EVERY situation with EVERY kind of horse and I have demonstrated it repeatedly literally hundreds, perhaps thousands of times in my 45+ years as a professional horseman. I don’t make these statements to boast they are simple facts. That several somewhat famous horse people can attest to.
The problem with this method for most people is that it is just too simple. Of all the things one may experience when working with horses over time, there are precious few that are as simple as black and white, but this one is. If used EXACTLY as I have described here it will work 100% of the time, period end of the story. And it does this because it addresses the most basic instinct of ANY horse. And that is when they feel tension, they instinctually seek release, this is not a thought process it’s automatic and instinctual. If you do not GIVE, them that release, but let them advance toward you and thus GET it on their own. The result is ALWAYS the same and they have learned a very valuable lesson. That lesson is, no matter the situation when there is tension on the lead, advancing toward it gives release of tension, pure and simple.
Now I wish I could claim this is “MY method” created by me, but alas, I cannot. It was taught to me in my youth by a very old Bedouin Master of Horse. And I think anyone with even rudimentary knowledge of horses will attest that there are no greater housemasters than the Bedouin people and they have been for thousands of years.
Here is what I suggest you do. Read my instruction again very carefully and use it yourself on any horse in any situation and then tell me that it does not work for you just as I have described. It's simple cause and effect, don't overthink it. And PLEASE do not anthropomorphize human emotions onto the horse in any situation. Horses do not possess the capacity in their brain for interpreting emotions as we understand them. They simply are REACTIONARY creatures as nature designed them to be. And they will always seek the course of least resistance.
When you understand and accept these simple facts you will become a better horse person. And your horses will be much happier as a result.
Be safe and well.
@@MrHorsepro I do believe the bedouins were fine horseman with much to teach us - I have 3 pure and one half Arabian. I have used your suggested method many many many times but it is not working with the horse I mention in this thread anymore. I also disagree with your idea that there is any thing simple about any horse but especially interpreting the behavior of a horse that is showing fear about a specific thing where they did not show it before. Perspective my friend
@@tiffanydsonny I am truly sorry the method is not working for you in this instance. I am at a loss to explain why, since it has virtually never failed me and many others that I have taught it to over many years of use. I wish you well and I sincerely hope you find the solution to your horse's issue.
@@MrHorsepro It has been a few weeks since I smugly suggested that your perspective was narrow - it was my own. You were right and I was wrong. This is my FB "journal" entry from yesterday. I stand squarely corrected - much respect to you. "It was exactly what all the pros say - and I sort of hate to admit that - I thought it utter nonsense that the good groundwork and the way the horse follows you is what makes a good trailer loader no exceptions. I thought that I had the exception to that golden rule - because my horse had been "traumatized". Don't get me wrong my horse had some trauma about the trailer loading. But it was never gonna get fixed until I got the balance of the yielding at the poll going back then forward and then back again really soft. They were all right and I was wrong. I have been working on getting Arthur softer and better at following a feel with the groundwork outside of any thoughts about my trailer loading problem. It has been getting better and better but I still believed it would not make a difference if I could not get him to follow me in the trailer - even if he would (and does) follow me pretty much anywhere else - even without a lead. So today we went to the trailer and I was really just about the "doing" - I had other things on my mind to accomplish but it was a task I had committed to - every day. So there we were hanging about me in the trailer one step Arthur as close to the trailer with all four as he could be without actually putting any one hoof in. We stood there in good cheer enjoying each other but with no more progress "in" than usual when I said OK then that's enough you can go to your turnout now. Then I thought well let's do some back up come forward work before you are done for the day - we did not work on that because I usually do it before I ride and today I worked him in hand - so I did the back and it was soft and relaxed but prompt and the same coming forward and I did it few times and it was so perfect - no glitches - just soft and a good feel for both of us - so I thought why not then just ask him to come forward those two extra steps that would put his front hooves in the trailer. And, just like that, I had a horse that seemed like he would have just followed me all the way in - I backed him - good soft - just like we did before he stepped in - so I asked him forward once more - again two hooves no drama - and here is the key - no nose in the air. And then it all made sense and started to click in my mind - like it must have somehow over the last few days clicked in his mind. The horse does not like to get banged - not in the head not on the hoof. He is VERY sensitive and thin-skinned. By teaching the backing and coming forward on a feel I showed him a way to manage "loading" without bumping himself not his head (which he was mostly just leery of) or his hooves (which has been a consistent problem with this slant load no ramp trailer because he was always looking at the roof trying to protect his head and not looking where he was going). Tristen Baroni says do whatever groundwork you want to do but know WHY you are doing it - I smugly believed my WHY was firmly grasped. This whole time I was thinking my horses did not like the traveling. It has nothing to do with the traveling. They are always quiet and good for the hauls. I am not a shitty hauler - I am a really shitty loader - but getting better). I am sometimes as stubborn as my Mustang mare - wish I also had her horse smarts ❤"
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It may work but geeze really? Your forcing him. Let it be his idea
Pulling doesn’t work
I agree with you.
I just don't think you have done ground work to help with his resistance. I think being obsessed with his hindlegs is irrelevant. He is resistant in all areas of his body. I noticed he does not like things happening on the right. I would not keep going pulling him until he is more body aware. He need to learn not to lean and you not to have a fight over it.
I dunno Bro, I've never seen a PRO use so much heavy pressure on a horses head to 'teach' them to load... It kind of flies in the face of all the principles of teaching a horse to be 'soft' doesn't it? ... I'd probably delete this video.. Some one not as 'experienced' as you may hang and pull a horse so they throw their head UP like yours is doing and he could bang his head and split his skull, maybe even sever a spine at the poll from the impact... I saw some one do EXACTLY what you are doing once and they killed their horse in front of everyone.. I'd say 'teach' him to come forward one a soft line... TEACH him to load.. and UN-Load properly.. Just sayin... Your other videos are pretty good.. this one not so much...
I’m in search of a more shut down version of a horse. Walks up to the trailer. Would rather lay down than get in the trailer 🙄 3 hours of this type of work wouldn’t get in the trailer.
Same, I know this is two months old but we have a horse that will stand there and just back up
It seems like mine is the only negative comment regarding this loading method. In MY opinion, this method is wrong, and goes against everything i have ever learned about horse training
Pulling on them ain’t it. This is not a good method to get a horse onto a trailer. Don’t do this. 😬💀
There is a bit of confusion in the horse's mind. When he pulls back and you move your feet forward while you are waiting for his hind feet to move forward...........well, he saw that you yielded to his moving back. That has him questioning your leadership status because he caused you to yield your feet. Conflicting signals on what you are trying to achieve.
Interesting comment... true in a way, but it's not about who moves who's feet, its about tension on the line and doing what you can to hold that tension without getting a rope burn
@@masteryhorsemanship3555 It is all about who moves who's feet. A high horse will move a lower horse's feet. Not the other way. Any time a person interacts with a horse, one wants that horse to know that you are the leader of the herd. And that you can move any of the horse's feet at any time. If you are getting rope burns when working with a horse, you are doing the process incorrectly.
I'm sorry you are so closed to new ideas. Eventually, you'll get more experience and see that not everything is so black and white. I hope the best for you. I hope you open up and keep a positive attitude. Time will tell
Oh... and you're right, like I said before, in the end it is about who moves who's feet. And in the end, that's exactly what you'll see. The end result tells the tale. If you get caught up in process and technique believing there is one right way and many wrong ways, you'll fail to see the potential for many great new ideas.
Gerry Coleman really ? , I think his end results speaks for itself ,, It all about pressure, release not so much who moves their feet first as you have to move with them but keep the pressure. What your saying is impossible as if you don’t go with them their going to win with there sheer power over you