For more robot talkin' vids from me, make sure to check out the playlist! ua-cam.com/play/PLaVQYuFaXnsxcRry42NI-ZXJ-CsfPBo8c.html Some pals did a podcast where they watched and talked through Turn A, if you're looking for a guided experience. The first ep: podgh.podiant.co/e/a1-turn-a-turn-a-turnnnn-a-turn-aaaa-37dc274695ffb4/
@@ZorakGoesOn awwww meeen, i was gonna send it to my friend whose gonna start at the hobby, well goodluck with the bandai debacle, thank you for ur hard work
What's interesting to me about the spoiler thing is that... getting caught up n the details of "how does this work" is completley ignoring the message of "humanity has an endless cycle of violence we need to break from" and that is literally the point, so the people who lose themselves trying to connect the timeline are literally falling into the mistakes the series warns about. And I kinda like it. also the mustache rules. Turn A's weird design of "what if we took the Gundam and reversed or flipped upside down all of its standard design elements, like someone put it together wrong as a joke" is extremely good.
Ok, so I haven’t seen Turn A, and I don’t know how it ends, but wouldn’t that imply 00 is the end of it all. I mean the movie unites everyone and when you look into the mobile suits that exist at the end of the movie, they aren’t given weapons, and it’s implied there is a universal peace to the point where deep-space exploration can occur.
@@minecraftWithDanielD Let me give you a simple, but most logical explanation. Consider every Gundam series BEFORE Turn A's release and series with reference to UC as prequel to Correct Century. Every single Gundam series after Turn A's release that doesn't mention UC are completely different timeline, nothing to do with both UC and CC. You must remember that Tomino make Turn A as a celebration of it's 20+ years anniversary. Therefore, he created Turn A with the sole purpose of it being the sequel of all previous Gundam series (UC, AW, FC, and AC). He never intended to have any Gundam series after Turn A that doesn't mention UC to be part of CC, because it didn't make sense to do so and it'll only devalues the stories and originalities of other Gundam series.
For my part i'm saddened by how the efforts of the precioys generations of the UC timeline ended up being futile, and that civilization and history was obliterated. (Yeah, only UC, I refuse to believe that all the gundam shows lead to turn A, that is too depressing for me)
Same here, humanity screws up so bad that they start to go backwards in time due to the conflicts between zeon and the federation continuing way after unicorn and narrative...it's a perfect capstone to war....
With the inclusion of Unicorn and it's space magic shenanigans, I just thought that UC has split into 3 major time lines; The original F91 to victory. the NT where more space magic shenanigans will happen and may eventually lead to G-Recongista. And the probability to reach Correct Century. or maybe Victory will someday lead to Correct Century.
Sure would've been easier to digest given we have Zakus and Capools. On the other hand, even the mess that is adding all the previous AUs together was still cool given what the series was also trying to be, which was a big celebration of Gundam.
That's a great way to interpret, considering how advanced the turn A is, the concept of nanoskin and nanomachines, amd that the creators of the Turn A supposedly left the solar system, it makes sense to assume their in the farthest future of the UC
Yes. I think the original Gundam, 08 mobile suit team and this one could suppress the “wow cool giants robot” just enough to let the characters and messages shine.
War is a dish best served *never.* That should be an actual tagline for a Gundam series. Pros of War: - Accelerated technological development in some areas. - If you're really lucky, you can completely overthrow a fascist government. Cons of war: - The bad guys are just as capable of victory as the good guys. - The bad guys probably got so powerful in the first place because they knew how to paint themselves as the good guys, and how to paint the good guys as the bad guys. - So much destruction. - So many lives lost. - Everything else can also go horribly wrong.
Turn A is a fantastic gundam series, and a great endcap for the franchise as a whole, since its further been elaborated that instead of it being ”civilizations rising and falling” or like the Unicorn author Fukui miscontrudes ”the turn A always appears at the end of each timeline” the big explanation is as simple in that the moonlight butterfly when activated at the height of the Dark History Turn A’s power, merged all the universes into one. This is why technology from all timelines is found here and there, and why even in G-reco lots of cues and technology is seen from the series that followed Turn A. Look at even the G-self and you’ll see its shield and wing pack reminiscent of the Strike from Seed.
Turn A would have been a lot more popular if it had a dub and wasn't so slow paced at times because it really has one of the best stories out of any Gundam.
The way I see the whole timeline issue is this: There are TWO versions of Turn A Gundam. There's the one that we saw, and the one that is actually canon to the Universal Century that we didn't see. Basically the Turn A Gundam we saw on screen IS it's own self-contained series, but the same events ARE canon to the Universal/Reguild Centuries; just that the references to Gundam series that couldn't have happened in the UC universe are excised from the Dark History. Basically it's broad strokes canon.
there was a short in a recent blu ray release of a Gundam series that explains that the Turn A itself resets civilisation every 10,000 years or so, completely resetting humanity's progression which explains how the other Gundam timelines happen before Turn A
Light of Life Chronicle UC is not canon. It's literally created as a fanservice and celebration of 45 years of Gundam franchaise. It's not meant to be taken seriously. You must remember that Tomino make Turn A as a celebration of it's 20+ years anniversary. Therefore, he created Turn A with the sole purpose of it being the sequel of all previous Gundam series (UC, AW, FC, and AC). He never intended to have any Gundam series after Turn A that doesn't mention UC to be part of CC, because it didn't make sense to do so and it'll only devalues the stories and originalities of other Gundam series.
My take on Turn-A has always been that it's at the end of SOME timeline. Which one... well, it doesn't entirely matter. I personally take it to be after the Universal Century plus After Colony (because I like the theory that Corin was driven to madness by dealing with the Wing Zero), but what matters is that it's the iteration of the cycle of war and violence that gets to look back and break that cycle.
>trying to avoid the "wow cool robot" trope the Turn-A can carry cows, function as a bridge, and do the laundry, if that's not cool I don't know what is (also the MG Turn-A has a cow included)
8:00 Not to mention every Alternate Century runs on different rules and logic, i.e: G Gundam's shounen-esque feats of prowess and considerable lack of care for "Logic", 00's end with Humanity evolving into techno-organic immortal beings, etc. On a thematic perspective, it works for the "humanity keeps making the same mistakes over and over" message of Black History and the overall theme of Turn A. On practical and lore terms... it requires "Crisis on infinite earths"-type shenanigans that make it a hustle to really nail down and explain, and such things honestly don't really work in practice (Just look at Kamen Rider Decade) I would rather leave 00, G, IBO and such alone and keep the timeline as UC, Correct and Regilid Century in that order
This is also a universe where psychics exist and can manipulate space/time, as well as speak to the spirits of the dead, so conventional wisdom is already out the window. Regardless of how illogical it may be to apply, all of the alternate universes, including SEED, 00, G, IBO, etc are included in the dark history. So at some point their technology was eliminated and their timelines assimilated. Also, the official stance by Sunrise and Bandai state that Reguild happens before Correct Century.
Reguild Century takes place directly after the Universal Century. This is explicitly stated by multiple people in-universe that the previous era was called the Universal Century, not the Correct Century. The statues in the Capitol City depicting the mobile suits of the previous era are all UC mobile suits, there's no Turns or Moonrace mobile suits. It is stated in universe that the previous era ended in an food shortage crisis, essentially the plot of G-Saviour, the canonical end of the Universal Century. The "G-Reco takes place after Turn A Gundam" thing was a shitty, poorly thought out retcon by Tomino in an interview after G-Reco had aired because he didn't want the happy ending he'd written for the characters in G-Reco to be tainted by Turn-A's Dark History. After it was pointed out that this change not only contradicts what was explicitedly set out in G-Reco, but also takes a major 5-alarm shit all over Turn A's themes of breaking the cycle of war and violence, Tomino undid the retcon.
@@edwardsimpson119 That's my overall problem with Dark History, it is a great concept theme-wise, but in practice it leads to major BS like what you described with G-Reco
@@therasslintheatre2960 Exactly bro. It feels like a cheap plot device and a faulty attempt at being controversial in terms of story and continuity. "Hey, you know all those gundam stories with characters who fought for a lot of things? Well, everything they do is for naught because everything is reset. Lol, bye." 🤦♂️
I personally like to think Turn A Gundam is set far after the Universal Century and Regild Century, strictly! But the technology was so advanced for the people in the universe, particularly the spacenoids, had the capacity to view alternate timelines, document their history, and even copy technology from them. Like the nanotech from the Dark Gundam used in the Turn A suit itself or the blueprints seen when Syd stole records from the Dark History for Guin. It's also my favorite series by far, so I'm biased about my headcanon being the most correct.
@@leo11lim But they literally say in Turn A itself the UC took place 10,000 years ago when the Dark History records were being broadcasted in the city on the moon! And the mobile suit museum in G Reco has old UC suits in it, so I made the connection for myself. The space elevator in G Reco is also implied to be the Zacktraeger in Turn A as well. Or at least that's how I view it. Besides, I started my comment with "personally" for a reason. I don't care what the canon is on some website or what people have to say during a panel at Anime Expo. I go by what I see in the shows themselves and deduce how the timeline fits for own enjoyment. In my mind, anything other than UC, RC, or CC does not take place in a linear set of events but rather their own, proper alternate dimensions. It's not outside the realm of possibility to come up with tech that lets the user see into alternate dimensions and take information from them, even full schematics for mobile suits. I think if the people in Turn A could come up with a Gundam powered by a black hole, they certainly can dimension hop. Also, canon doesn't really matter to me, I just find enjoyment in connecting the Gundam universes/dimensions together in a way I think they make sense.
As a fan of seed and seed destiny. Im ready for the video! I'm not the toxic fan and I know it's all of its flaws (lots of them). I'm just disappointed it, waste of potential. Overall Turn A show is honestly interesting shows to watch the mech is awkward design and yet quite refreshing, the story is itself is good but some part of it's well you can tell that only Tomino can understand it that or my small brain couldn't understand what the message is. Although I agree why they put Gundam wing in the middle of the fight, I think that Tomino way of saying that he accepts other Gundam timeline.
here's my theory about the timeline shenanigan's: it's like Zelda, where one event pivoted out into so many different directions. While Zelda had 3 branches, Gundam has dozens, and then eventually all converge into a singular point: Turn A. as for the UC Century connection, i think that after the last entry canonically, Ring, the events of After War X happened, and after centuries of rebuilding led to the events of Turn A, hence its Victorian look, which in turn led to either Reconquista in G or 00, or both in that order. and if that be the case, why would 00 be last? Aliens..
The other thing that Turn A does is show that even if War is bad, that people being prepared to defend themselves and protecting those you love and care for is expected. As someone is always going to be vying for war somehow, you might not start it, you may not be on either conflicting side, but you more than likely will have to take action to keep your loved ones safe. It's the one use of violence that it doesn't put down; that of someone defending themselves and others. Which has been a problem that a lot of Gundam has had an issue with (well just War Is Bad in general as a message, cause Gundam) as a whole.
The soundtrack carries this series a lot in my opinion, not just the absurd, borderline Warhammer 40k- like setting. The music is just so grand and beautiful, especially the vocal tracks.
I love turn A. and the last episode was especially heartbreaking BUT its the only Gundam show where the characters broke 4th wall to watch other Gundam serries!
The reveal you mentioned at the end of the video reminds me of the ultimate fate of earth in Babylon 5, where (spoilers) humanity becomes embroiled in a civil war and nukes themselves back to the middle ages, with the events of the series prior becoming nothing more than myths and legends understood by only a few to be true.
This ended up being perhaps my favorite Tomino work. While it still has some of the standard Tomino problems, I feel like the show is able to work in spite of them, though some of the characters can still be incredibly grating and inconsistent. It had some nice atmosphere and a really distinct Sci-Fi feel in a lot of it's mechanical designs. Though one of my main gripes with it is just how a lot of the conflict just feels incredibly forced, like they had some "battle per episode" quota they had to fill. Several characters just acts like complete idiots just to force more conflict. The show was generally at it's best when it didn't try to shoehorn in a battle around every corner. Also, R.I.P. Syd Mead, creator of some of the most iconic and interesting suits in the series.
7:50 I felt that it should go: -Anno Domini -After Colony -Post Disaster (Also Urdr-Hunt) -Ad Stella -Universal Century -Cosmic Era -Advance Generation (Somehwere: SD, Divers, Figters) -Future Century??(to be honest-based on the way the technology works, for me it’s the old man out). -After War -Correct Century -Reglid Cenutry Also I do put the fact that it was other authorities that expanded on putting all the Gundams in one being storyline, but based on an interview with original creator Yoshiyuki Tomino, it’s stated that the plan was that all the gundams before Turn A Gundam(our reality, chronologically), were the ones he was primarily talking about(basically up to 2009).
Turn A wasn't my first Gundam series, but it was the first one that I managed to watch from beginning to end in order (including movies). It has absolutely been my favorite, though G-Witch is really trying hard to supplant it. I don't have much difficulty with the consolidation of the timeline. While we might not know the actual sequence of previous events, it's probably safe to assume there was some sort of apocalypse between each timeline. Because humanity, and war.
I have a theory, (Spoilers to gundam unicorn) Remember in Gundam Unicorn Full Frontal and Banagher travel through time until the end of the universe. Maybe off camera Banagher witnesses the event's of Turn A Gundam which could mean he knows what happens, meaning that he knows a little about the other anime like Gundam Seed.
That’s interesting that turn a reveals a universe reset, that, or all the au shows taking place millions of years apart has been my headcanon for a while
It’s like Zelda: Breath of the Wild. It’s somehow in the far future of all Zelda timelines, with references to them all, even though that’s contradictory. You’re just not meant to think about it too much.
My take is that the previous gundam series exist in the Correct Century as they might in ours - just stories, with the difference being that in our world they're a fictional warning of the potential mistakes mankind might make in the future while in the Correct Century they're a mythologised version of the sins of the past.
The Whole Timeline thing works until you introduce Seed and Unicorn in the mix: 0079 (1st Space War) Z (2nd Space War) ZZ (3rd Space War) CCA (4th Space War) F91 (5th Space War) Victory (6th Space War} G Gundam (No War) Gundam X (7th Space War) Wing (No Newtypes cause DOME) Turn A
Turn A Gundam and the correct century would basically only work when Gundam as a whole comes to an end Basically once one day Gundam had it's final anime that's when correct century comes in at least that's what I think
If it's all ONE timeline, then what about the colonies in G gundam? Did they all float away or get "put back" into their earth squares? Was there another war after the Gundam fight era? Too many questions left unanswered
I love Turn A, its designs are distinct and lovable once you get used to it, and I now love the Turn A Gundam mustache and all. Also I ended up liking Loran/Laura. If I had to put how I feel about this show it is that it is a comfy feel laced over the gundam series message, probably due to the art. As a result if I want to chill and watch a gundam series with weight, I break out Turn A.
I think fitting Correct Century with UC and Reguild would be easy except for for the industrial age thing but for the other timelines, it would be hard to fit.
While i havent watched turn A... that mustache made me buy the gunpla, it was a pain to build it... and i think i broke part of the chest piece... but man it look awesome...
I always took Correct Century to be canon to all the other timelines. Like, .... It's inevitable that Correct Century will happen... and all other timelines eventually turn into it.
Late to the party; but anyways, I've come to view the CC timeline as the resulting timeline after a converging of the other timelines that are found within the Dark History. In my mind there's absolutely room for 3 prequel series. 1 to set the stage for the converging event in each timeline. Another to show the ensuing chaos between surviving factions immediately after the converging. And the final one to flesh out the creation of Turn A and Turn X as well as their first war.
i thought turn A was the most beautiful series. but wasnt there something that suggested that Turn A was made of nanomachines, and when using the moonlight butterfly it spread them all over the earth to restore it, and some people stayed on earth, while the moon people slept for set peroids of time and would awaken in periods to see how the earth was doing rebuilding wise? which made me think G Reconguista happened before Turn A, never considered after.
Btw we do know that u.c. takes place directly after A.D. timeline thanks to Gundam Unicorn and laplace's box which means gundam 00 had already happened.....but most 00 gundams and mobile suits(especially season 2's) would crush u.c. time line mobile suits
Alot of the character design, particularly for the moon people, reminds me ALOT of Megaman Legends. I can't tell if the series influenced it or what. They do kinda have the same thing going on with the moon...more or less.
Recon g placement depends on who yoh source it from. Tomino says after turn a and bandai says before turn a which i personally think is for the best. I feel if recon g was after turn A it woukd defeat the point of turn a
I initially did not like this series but I feel like I wasn't giving it a fair shot. I was too caught up in the initial shock of the aesthetic compared to what I had become accustomed to. Might have to give it another go.
Personally loved Turn A, though the series is an acquired taste. I know for a fact the chilled pace is not for every mecha fan out there, and that the MS designs are even more radical than G Gundam's mobile fighters (and G Gundam had a windmill, fish, schoolgirl, and a fusion American stereotype for mecha designs...let that sink in). That said, it is that chilled pace and overall true attempt at its anti-war stance that I liked. Characters were pretty well fleshed out. Even Loran, the idealist, I thought was handled the best in this series compared to other idealist types, who were either useless or hypocrites. Loran would much prefer for Earth and Moon to settle peacefully and not have to wage war, but he's not so blind to his ideals that he wouldn't fight. Love Romi Park as his seiyuu. Also, loved how certain Gundam themes were flipped on its head. Earth is usually the one with more power in previous series, and the spacenoids are typically the rebels fighting to be their own people. Now, it's Earth that lacks power, figuratively and literally, and the Moonrace truly has all the power and tech. And this time, the spacenoids want to return to Earth. And then there's the soundtrack. Heard Moon the first time, fell in love with the song, the listened to Tsuki no Mayu. Loved almost every version of Moon ever since. Then discovered the rest of the soundtracks. Was already a Yoko Kanno fan before when I discovered her work on Escaflowne and Macross Plus. Her work on Turn A convinced me to finally watch the series. So, yeah, I don't see this series as being for everyone. But you know what, it's a good series regardless.
When it comes to the timeline stuff I always saw it as a fun wink and nod to the past shows & pointing out how gundam always had the "war is bad" theme. Don't think about it too much, it's only a cartoon
I feel like if i knew that Turn A was primarily a character driven story, and not really too much like original or Z... I think I would have kept my expectations in check and would have probably enjoyed it more the first round.
Pretty much for timelines treat it like Zelda it's connected yet not connected like invisible seems or multi-verse theory like it's theoretically possible for realities to combine but not Necessarily provable
Turn A is significantly better than Reconquista in G. It's slow, but the characters are likable and their changes are through growth and not at random.
I think what was most effective about turn A's messaging was tht there was less... wow giant robot, int he sense that they were front and center but not in the same way as other series. I didnt want to buy gunpla.
My theory : correct century = far few thousand years in the future = time travel machine = Mustache gundam, time traveling, painstakingly, brain hurting, cell destruction, real or not real question, scuicide addict = complicated sh*t
Turn A is why X isn't my favourite and I just love it. The animation and sound design is top notch and it really is one of the few mecha anime that actually make the mech feel huge and weighty. I am also a sucker for tropes like ancient highly advanced tech and I absolutely love the integration between early industrial age and highly advanced tech, it's amazing to see dreadnought battleships alongside Mecha and it's really fun to see how Earth starts trying to reverse engineer the mobile suits and massively accelerate their own technological development in the process. Timeline wise I tend to see it as only being after UC and the way I see it is that at this point humans have colonized not just space but much of the galaxy but Earth got completely reset. I also just love the Turn A, it is ancient and extremely powerful and that's something I love, plus nano swarm as an ultimate weapon is a great idea and it looks beautiful. I think Syd Mead added the right amount of weirdness to the design where you definitely see it as a Gundam but clearly one that is incredibly far removed from what we're familiar with.
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Some pals did a podcast where they watched and talked through Turn A, if you're looking for a guided experience. The first ep: podgh.podiant.co/e/a1-turn-a-turn-a-turnnnn-a-turn-aaaa-37dc274695ffb4/
quick question i cant find your cosmic era video, did u delist it prehaps?
Nope, copyright struck by Bandai. Working on it.
@@ZorakGoesOn awwww meeen, i was gonna send it to my friend whose gonna start at the hobby, well goodluck with the bandai debacle, thank you for ur hard work
What's interesting to me about the spoiler thing is that... getting caught up n the details of "how does this work" is completley ignoring the message of "humanity has an endless cycle of violence we need to break from" and that is literally the point, so the people who lose themselves trying to connect the timeline are literally falling into the mistakes the series warns about. And I kinda like it.
also the mustache rules. Turn A's weird design of "what if we took the Gundam and reversed or flipped upside down all of its standard design elements, like someone put it together wrong as a joke" is extremely good.
Ok, so I haven’t seen Turn A, and I don’t know how it ends, but wouldn’t that imply 00 is the end of it all. I mean the movie unites everyone and when you look into the mobile suits that exist at the end of the movie, they aren’t given weapons, and it’s implied there is a universal peace to the point where deep-space exploration can occur.
@@minecraftWithDanielD Let me give you a simple, but most logical explanation.
Consider every Gundam series BEFORE Turn A's release and series with reference to UC as prequel to Correct Century.
Every single Gundam series after Turn A's release that doesn't mention UC are completely different timeline, nothing to do with both UC and CC.
You must remember that Tomino make Turn A as a celebration of it's 20+ years anniversary. Therefore, he created Turn A with the sole purpose of it being the sequel of all previous Gundam series (UC, AW, FC, and AC). He never intended to have any Gundam series after Turn A that doesn't mention UC to be part of CC, because it didn't make sense to do so and it'll only devalues the stories and originalities of other Gundam series.
I know I always see so much hate on this design but I really like how unique it is
For my part i'm saddened by how the efforts of the precioys generations of the UC timeline ended up being futile, and that civilization and history was obliterated.
(Yeah, only UC, I refuse to believe that all the gundam shows lead to turn A, that is too depressing for me)
I died laughing at that timeline; “Ramba Ral goes to heaven”
personally find "Ramba Ral goes to Hell" funnier
@@breakingbasha No.
@@thereservationatdorsia2618 ramba ral goes to build fighters
Along side making Patrick Collasaur death the cathalyst of Celestial Being Faliure
I always take Correct Century as Universal Century sequel, far far into the future. Nothing more, nothing less... It feels right, so right...
Same here, humanity screws up so bad that they start to go backwards in time due to the conflicts between zeon and the federation continuing way after unicorn and narrative...it's a perfect capstone to war....
With the inclusion of Unicorn and it's
space magic shenanigans, I just thought that UC has split into 3 major time lines; The original F91 to victory. the NT where more space magic shenanigans will happen and may eventually lead to G-Recongista. And the probability to reach Correct Century. or maybe Victory will someday lead to Correct Century.
Sure would've been easier to digest given we have Zakus and Capools.
On the other hand, even the mess that is adding all the previous AUs together was still cool given what the series was also trying to be, which was a big celebration of Gundam.
That's a great way to interpret, considering how advanced the turn A is, the concept of nanoskin and nanomachines, amd that the creators of the Turn A supposedly left the solar system, it makes sense to assume their in the farthest future of the UC
especially since the UC was the only timeline mentioned
Generally speaking, I think all the Gundam series had an anti-war message on them that often gets lost in the "wow giant robots"
0080 War in the Pocket
Yes. I think the original Gundam, 08 mobile suit team and this one could suppress the “wow cool giants robot” just enough to let the characters and messages shine.
War is a dish best served *never.*
That should be an actual tagline for a Gundam series.
Pros of War:
- Accelerated technological development in some areas.
- If you're really lucky, you can completely overthrow a fascist government.
Cons of war:
- The bad guys are just as capable of victory as the good guys.
- The bad guys probably got so powerful in the first place because they knew how to paint themselves as the good guys, and how to paint the good guys as the bad guys.
- So much destruction.
- So many lives lost.
- Everything else can also go horribly wrong.
IBO has that message
@@pyrojinn you forgot about war in the pocket
Turn A is a fantastic gundam series, and a great endcap for the franchise as a whole, since its further been elaborated that instead of it being ”civilizations rising and falling” or like the Unicorn author Fukui miscontrudes ”the turn A always appears at the end of each timeline” the big explanation is as simple in that the moonlight butterfly when activated at the height of the Dark History Turn A’s power, merged all the universes into one. This is why technology from all timelines is found here and there, and why even in G-reco lots of cues and technology is seen from the series that followed Turn A. Look at even the G-self and you’ll see its shield and wing pack reminiscent of the Strike from Seed.
I love this idea for how the Turn A works for the other timelines
G reco referenced more Waring states era than Correct Century.
This also makes Turn A the canonically strongest Gundam to ever exist
Turn A would have been a lot more popular if it had a dub and wasn't so slow paced at times because it really has one of the best stories out of any Gundam.
The way I see the whole timeline issue is this: There are TWO versions of Turn A Gundam. There's the one that we saw, and the one that is actually canon to the Universal Century that we didn't see. Basically the Turn A Gundam we saw on screen IS it's own self-contained series, but the same events ARE canon to the Universal/Reguild Centuries; just that the references to Gundam series that couldn't have happened in the UC universe are excised from the Dark History. Basically it's broad strokes canon.
So would you say it’s in the origin manga timeline?
When he got to the zaku part, i literally laughed really hard
there was a short in a recent blu ray release of a Gundam series that explains that the Turn A itself resets civilisation every 10,000 years or so, completely resetting humanity's progression which explains how the other Gundam timelines happen before Turn A
Light of Life Chronicle UC is not canon.
It's literally created as a fanservice and celebration of 45 years of Gundam franchaise. It's not meant to be taken seriously.
You must remember that Tomino make Turn A as a celebration of it's 20+ years anniversary. Therefore, he created Turn A with the sole purpose of it being the sequel of all previous Gundam series (UC, AW, FC, and AC). He never intended to have any Gundam series after Turn A that doesn't mention UC to be part of CC, because it didn't make sense to do so and it'll only devalues the stories and originalities of other Gundam series.
That works...I guess.
But so which Gundam does Commander Shepard pilot?
Yeah, no, I ain't accepting that.
My take on Turn-A has always been that it's at the end of SOME timeline. Which one... well, it doesn't entirely matter. I personally take it to be after the Universal Century plus After Colony (because I like the theory that Corin was driven to madness by dealing with the Wing Zero), but what matters is that it's the iteration of the cycle of war and violence that gets to look back and break that cycle.
Sochie might have one of my favorite character arcs in any anime I've seen but boy do I feel sorry for everything she has to deal with to get there.
7:20 remember when G-reco was first announced, it was marketed as a prequel to Turn A, and then retconned to a Turn A sequel after it had bombed.
Yea, heard the same thing.
it'a retconned again as Turn A's prequel
>trying to avoid the "wow cool robot" trope
the Turn-A can carry cows, function as a bridge, and do the laundry, if that's not cool I don't know what is
(also the MG Turn-A has a cow included)
I just started showing Turn A to some friends online and it’s great revisiting the show for like the fourth or fifth time on my end.
8:00 Not to mention every Alternate Century runs on different rules and logic, i.e: G Gundam's shounen-esque feats of prowess and considerable lack of care for "Logic", 00's end with Humanity evolving into techno-organic immortal beings, etc.
On a thematic perspective, it works for the "humanity keeps making the same mistakes over and over" message of Black History and the overall theme of Turn A. On practical and lore terms... it requires "Crisis on infinite earths"-type shenanigans that make it a hustle to really nail down and explain, and such things honestly don't really work in practice (Just look at Kamen Rider Decade)
I would rather leave 00, G, IBO and such alone and keep the timeline as UC, Correct and Regilid Century in that order
And note that OO has so much technological improvement that in possible,ELS can copy nanomachines
This is also a universe where psychics exist and can manipulate space/time, as well as speak to the spirits of the dead, so conventional wisdom is already out the window. Regardless of how illogical it may be to apply, all of the alternate universes, including SEED, 00, G, IBO, etc are included in the dark history. So at some point their technology was eliminated and their timelines assimilated.
Also, the official stance by Sunrise and Bandai state that Reguild happens before Correct Century.
Reguild Century takes place directly after the Universal Century. This is explicitly stated by multiple people in-universe that the previous era was called the Universal Century, not the Correct Century. The statues in the Capitol City depicting the mobile suits of the previous era are all UC mobile suits, there's no Turns or Moonrace mobile suits. It is stated in universe that the previous era ended in an food shortage crisis, essentially the plot of G-Saviour, the canonical end of the Universal Century.
The "G-Reco takes place after Turn A Gundam" thing was a shitty, poorly thought out retcon by Tomino in an interview after G-Reco had aired because he didn't want the happy ending he'd written for the characters in G-Reco to be tainted by Turn-A's Dark History. After it was pointed out that this change not only contradicts what was explicitedly set out in G-Reco, but also takes a major 5-alarm shit all over Turn A's themes of breaking the cycle of war and violence, Tomino undid the retcon.
@@edwardsimpson119 That's my overall problem with Dark History, it is a great concept theme-wise, but in practice it leads to major BS like what you described with G-Reco
@@therasslintheatre2960 Exactly bro. It feels like a cheap plot device and a faulty attempt at being controversial in terms of story and continuity. "Hey, you know all those gundam stories with characters who fought for a lot of things? Well, everything they do is for naught because everything is reset. Lol, bye." 🤦♂️
"War is where the young and stupid is tricked by the old and bitter into killing each other."
Niko Bellic
I personally like to think Turn A Gundam is set far after the Universal Century and Regild Century, strictly! But the technology was so advanced for the people in the universe, particularly the spacenoids, had the capacity to view alternate timelines, document their history, and even copy technology from them. Like the nanotech from the Dark Gundam used in the Turn A suit itself or the blueprints seen when Syd stole records from the Dark History for Guin.
It's also my favorite series by far, so I'm biased about my headcanon being the most correct.
@@leo11lim But they literally say in Turn A itself the UC took place 10,000 years ago when the Dark History records were being broadcasted in the city on the moon! And the mobile suit museum in G Reco has old UC suits in it, so I made the connection for myself. The space elevator in G Reco is also implied to be the Zacktraeger in Turn A as well. Or at least that's how I view it.
Besides, I started my comment with "personally" for a reason. I don't care what the canon is on some website or what people have to say during a panel at Anime Expo. I go by what I see in the shows themselves and deduce how the timeline fits for own enjoyment. In my mind, anything other than UC, RC, or CC does not take place in a linear set of events but rather their own, proper alternate dimensions. It's not outside the realm of possibility to come up with tech that lets the user see into alternate dimensions and take information from them, even full schematics for mobile suits. I think if the people in Turn A could come up with a Gundam powered by a black hole, they certainly can dimension hop.
Also, canon doesn't really matter to me, I just find enjoyment in connecting the Gundam universes/dimensions together in a way I think they make sense.
As a fan of seed and seed destiny. Im ready for the video! I'm not the toxic fan and I know it's all of its flaws (lots of them). I'm just disappointed it, waste of potential. Overall Turn A show is honestly interesting shows to watch the mech is awkward design and yet quite refreshing, the story is itself is good but some part of it's well you can tell that only Tomino can understand it that or my small brain couldn't understand what the message is. Although I agree why they put Gundam wing in the middle of the fight, I think that Tomino way of saying that he accepts other Gundam timeline.
here's my theory about the timeline shenanigan's: it's like Zelda, where one event pivoted out into so many different directions. While Zelda had 3 branches, Gundam has dozens, and then eventually all converge into a singular point: Turn A. as for the UC Century connection, i think that after the last entry canonically, Ring, the events of After War X happened, and after centuries of rebuilding led to the events of Turn A, hence its Victorian look, which in turn led to either Reconquista in G or 00, or both in that order.
and if that be the case, why would 00 be last? Aliens..
Correct Century is the best century. Would love to see a sequel or different story in the same world setting. Such a great series
The Correct Century is Original Century set after end Universal Century from 10000 year's long centuries Before Regild Century.
I'm watching through it right now and didn't realize Yoko Kanno did the music...now it all makes sense
The other thing that Turn A does is show that even if War is bad, that people being prepared to defend themselves and protecting those you love and care for is expected. As someone is always going to be vying for war somehow, you might not start it, you may not be on either conflicting side, but you more than likely will have to take action to keep your loved ones safe. It's the one use of violence that it doesn't put down; that of someone defending themselves and others.
Which has been a problem that a lot of Gundam has had an issue with (well just War Is Bad in general as a message, cause Gundam) as a whole.
The soundtrack carries this series a lot in my opinion, not just the absurd, borderline Warhammer 40k- like setting. The music is just so grand and beautiful, especially the vocal tracks.
I loved the premise of Turn A, and the allegory of the dangers of irl nuclear weapons with the Moonlight Butterfly.
I love turn A. and the last episode was especially heartbreaking
BUT its the only Gundam show where the characters broke 4th wall to watch other Gundam serries!
Sid mead did good work, i like his mechs and his art in general.
The reveal you mentioned at the end of the video reminds me of the ultimate fate of earth in Babylon 5, where (spoilers) humanity becomes embroiled in a civil war and nukes themselves back to the middle ages, with the events of the series prior becoming nothing more than myths and legends understood by only a few to be true.
This ended up being perhaps my favorite Tomino work. While it still has some of the standard Tomino problems, I feel like the show is able to work in spite of them, though some of the characters can still be incredibly grating and inconsistent. It had some nice atmosphere and a really distinct Sci-Fi feel in a lot of it's mechanical designs. Though one of my main gripes with it is just how a lot of the conflict just feels incredibly forced, like they had some "battle per episode" quota they had to fill. Several characters just acts like complete idiots just to force more conflict. The show was generally at it's best when it didn't try to shoehorn in a battle around every corner.
Also, R.I.P. Syd Mead, creator of some of the most iconic and interesting suits in the series.
While I agree it's top notch, nothing beats the OG and Zeta for me personally.
THIS^^^
Sums up my feelings about how characters act, but its still some how the story and writing comes together poetically.
I've always felt like Gundam has always been about the people. The mobile suit battles are just a plus.
7:50 I felt that it should go:
-Anno Domini
-After Colony
-Post Disaster
(Also Urdr-Hunt)
-Ad Stella
-Universal Century
-Cosmic Era
-Advance Generation
(Somehwere: SD, Divers, Figters)
-Future Century??(to be honest-based on the way the technology works, for me it’s the old man out).
-After War
-Correct Century
-Reglid Cenutry
Also I do put the fact that it was other authorities that expanded on putting all the Gundams in one being storyline, but based on an interview with original creator Yoshiyuki Tomino, it’s stated that the plan was that all the gundams before Turn A Gundam(our reality, chronologically), were the ones he was primarily talking about(basically up to 2009).
Zorak: *Show the timeline graph*
The graph: *Show Build and Diver in it*
ALSO the graph: Yeah, Patrick is a fucking alien
Turn A wasn't my first Gundam series, but it was the first one that I managed to watch from beginning to end in order (including movies). It has absolutely been my favorite, though G-Witch is really trying hard to supplant it.
I don't have much difficulty with the consolidation of the timeline. While we might not know the actual sequence of previous events, it's probably safe to assume there was some sort of apocalypse between each timeline. Because humanity, and war.
I have a theory, (Spoilers to gundam unicorn)
Remember in Gundam Unicorn Full Frontal and Banagher travel through time until the end of the universe. Maybe off camera Banagher witnesses the event's of Turn A Gundam which could mean he knows what happens, meaning that he knows a little about the other anime like Gundam Seed.
I never seen Turn A and I have it on the back burner on my watch list
That’s interesting that turn a reveals a universe reset, that, or all the au shows taking place millions of years apart has been my headcanon for a while
Also ironically turn a and turn x are some of the most powerful all rounders aka turn a and in fighter turn x in sd Gundam battle alliance
It’s like Zelda: Breath of the Wild. It’s somehow in the far future of all Zelda timelines, with references to them all, even though that’s contradictory. You’re just not meant to think about it too much.
My take is that the previous gundam series exist in the Correct Century as they might in ours - just stories, with the difference being that in our world they're a fictional warning of the potential mistakes mankind might make in the future while in the Correct Century they're a mythologised version of the sins of the past.
The ending sequence of Turn A was crazy good. 7 minutes pure resolution.
Darn it! Now I have to watch Turn A Gundam so I can watch the spoiler part. See ya later
The Whole Timeline thing works until you introduce Seed and Unicorn in the mix:
0079 (1st Space War)
Z (2nd Space War)
ZZ (3rd Space War)
CCA (4th Space War)
F91 (5th Space War)
Victory (6th Space War}
G Gundam (No War)
Gundam X (7th Space War)
Wing (No Newtypes cause DOME)
Turn A
Fucking love Syd Mead, so I'll have to check this one out at some point
Turn A Gundam and the correct century would basically only work when Gundam as a whole comes to an end
Basically once one day Gundam had it's final anime that's when correct century comes in at least that's what I think
My favorite gundam man. It was used in ways normal gundams wouldnt be. A washing machine. A cow holder. And a bot with a fine mustache
If it's all ONE timeline, then what about the colonies in G gundam? Did they all float away or get "put back" into their earth squares? Was there another war after the Gundam fight era? Too many questions left unanswered
@@TARDISES ahh i see. That makes more sense
@@akou12 that or the Moonlight Butterfly took care of them
I love Turn A, its designs are distinct and lovable once you get used to it, and I now love the Turn A Gundam mustache and all. Also I ended up liking Loran/Laura. If I had to put how I feel about this show it is that it is a comfy feel laced over the gundam series message, probably due to the art. As a result if I want to chill and watch a gundam series with weight, I break out Turn A.
I think fitting Correct Century with UC and Reguild would be easy except for for the industrial age thing but for the other timelines, it would be hard to fit.
While i havent watched turn A... that mustache made me buy the gunpla, it was a pain to build it... and i think i broke part of the chest piece... but man it look awesome...
For a long time, I avoid the the Turn A and Turn X. I bit the bullet and got both at the same time.....these are 2 of my favorite kits to gaze at now.
7:51 "Ramba Ral goes to hell" "Ramba Ral goes to heaven"
I always took Correct Century to be canon to all the other timelines. Like, .... It's inevitable that Correct Century will happen... and all other timelines eventually turn into it.
Late to the party; but anyways, I've come to view the CC timeline as the resulting timeline after a converging of the other timelines that are found within the Dark History.
In my mind there's absolutely room for 3 prequel series. 1 to set the stage for the converging event in each timeline. Another to show the ensuing chaos between surviving factions immediately after the converging. And the final one to flesh out the creation of Turn A and Turn X as well as their first war.
Turn-A Gundam proves one thing: More giant robots need facial hair.
NANOMACHINES SON!
😆
"This is nanomachine son"
*Shows turn A gundam*
"Dear god"
"Theres another"
*Shows 00 quanta els*
"No"
Lol, the Onmicentury chart was a LOL thing to do with making Patrick Collasaur the Tony Stark of that Timeline
i thought turn A was the most beautiful series. but wasnt there something that suggested that Turn A was made of nanomachines, and when using the moonlight butterfly it spread them all over the earth to restore it, and some people stayed on earth, while the moon people slept for set peroids of time and would awaken in periods to see how the earth was doing rebuilding wise? which made me think G Reconguista happened before Turn A, never considered after.
If you haven't already, go listen to this series' soundtrack for God's sake.
oh Turn A Gundam....is a good series what more I need to said
and the Turn A is one of the mobile suit I like the most.
Colonel Sanders but a gundam, that’s pretty much what the turn A gundam looks like to me
Btw we do know that u.c. takes place directly after A.D. timeline thanks to Gundam Unicorn and laplace's box which means gundam 00 had already happened.....but most 00 gundams and mobile suits(especially season 2's) would crush u.c. time line mobile suits
What is turn A Gundam? A Gundam with a mustache
Turn a isnt just the kindest looking. Its the most friendly looking because the blade antenna is mounted on its mouth rather then forehead
I wish I had that moustache.
Gonna rewatch this Turn A gundam.
The gundam looks like an the tall imperial knight
Alot of the character design, particularly for the moon people, reminds me ALOT of Megaman Legends. I can't tell if the series influenced it or what. They do kinda have the same thing going on with the moon...more or less.
I have to say the moustache looks ridiculous when I first saw it many years ago
I like the way you narrated. Consider that a new subscriber to you.
Some people actually theorize that the Regild Century is still before Turn-A.
Recon g placement depends on who yoh source it from. Tomino says after turn a and bandai says before turn a which i personally think is for the best. I feel if recon g was after turn A it woukd defeat the point of turn a
I've been saying this for years now, Turn A is Tomino's Magnum Opus.
I agree. I have both the movies and blu-rays sitting in a place of respect on my shelf.
I initially did not like this series but I feel like I wasn't giving it a fair shot. I was too caught up in the initial shock of the aesthetic compared to what I had become accustomed to. Might have to give it another go.
This was Tomino's masterpiece.
its the funniest gudam series i've seen
Personally loved Turn A, though the series is an acquired taste. I know for a fact the chilled pace is not for every mecha fan out there, and that the MS designs are even more radical than G Gundam's mobile fighters (and G Gundam had a windmill, fish, schoolgirl, and a fusion American stereotype for mecha designs...let that sink in).
That said, it is that chilled pace and overall true attempt at its anti-war stance that I liked. Characters were pretty well fleshed out. Even Loran, the idealist, I thought was handled the best in this series compared to other idealist types, who were either useless or hypocrites. Loran would much prefer for Earth and Moon to settle peacefully and not have to wage war, but he's not so blind to his ideals that he wouldn't fight. Love Romi Park as his seiyuu.
Also, loved how certain Gundam themes were flipped on its head. Earth is usually the one with more power in previous series, and the spacenoids are typically the rebels fighting to be their own people. Now, it's Earth that lacks power, figuratively and literally, and the Moonrace truly has all the power and tech. And this time, the spacenoids want to return to Earth.
And then there's the soundtrack. Heard Moon the first time, fell in love with the song, the listened to Tsuki no Mayu. Loved almost every version of Moon ever since. Then discovered the rest of the soundtracks. Was already a Yoko Kanno fan before when I discovered her work on Escaflowne and Macross Plus. Her work on Turn A convinced me to finally watch the series.
So, yeah, I don't see this series as being for everyone. But you know what, it's a good series regardless.
When it comes to the timeline stuff I always saw it as a fun wink and nod to the past shows & pointing out how gundam always had the "war is bad" theme. Don't think about it too much, it's only a cartoon
I feel like if i knew that Turn A was primarily a character driven story, and not really too much like original or Z... I think I would have kept my expectations in check and would have probably enjoyed it more the first round.
I need that timeline pic tho lol
I like to think Turn A takes place after Chars Counter Attack
That'd be funny if G Savior showed up alongside the Zakus and they just made him leave
Shoulda just let them be in their own separate multiverses MAAAAAAAAAN
Oh jeez, consider me sold!
The Mustache is life
Always wanted to watch this one. Heard it was good.
Pretty much for timelines treat it like Zelda it's connected yet not connected like invisible seems or multi-verse theory like it's theoretically possible for realities to combine but not Necessarily provable
3:30 Akiraaaaaaaaa
I'm scared to watch this cuz I feel like I'll have the urge to gauge my eyes out too like G re-cog only after 3 episodes T__t
Turn A is significantly better than Reconquista in G. It's slow, but the characters are likable and their changes are through growth and not at random.
@@spaccorn I don't mind slow, but I strongly dislike the spazzyness of G-recog
With such a heavy story I can't read it. No really my slow ass dyslexic brain can't keep up so without a dub it is too hard for me to get into it.
Which is sad because we were promised a dub months before Bandai pulled out of the US for a decade
The Pringles Gundam is the best Gundam.
"hug me"
If i remember tomino also said RC are also tale place 500 Year after end of turn a
The official documentation from Sunrise and Bandai confirms Reguild occurred before Turn A.
Quick question, where can I listen to the where the old testament is spoken music you used?
I think what was most effective about turn A's messaging was tht there was less... wow giant robot, int he sense that they were front and center but not in the same way as other series. I didnt want to buy gunpla.
My theory : correct century = far few thousand years in the future = time travel machine = Mustache gundam, time traveling, painstakingly, brain hurting, cell destruction, real or not real question, scuicide addict = complicated sh*t
7:40 You forgot ----God is dead----> G-Savior
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You missed a prime opportunity with the wing Gundam flashback in turn a
Turn A is why X isn't my favourite and I just love it. The animation and sound design is top notch and it really is one of the few mecha anime that actually make the mech feel huge and weighty. I am also a sucker for tropes like ancient highly advanced tech and I absolutely love the integration between early industrial age and highly advanced tech, it's amazing to see dreadnought battleships alongside Mecha and it's really fun to see how Earth starts trying to reverse engineer the mobile suits and massively accelerate their own technological development in the process. Timeline wise I tend to see it as only being after UC and the way I see it is that at this point humans have colonized not just space but much of the galaxy but Earth got completely reset. I also just love the Turn A, it is ancient and extremely powerful and that's something I love, plus nano swarm as an ultimate weapon is a great idea and it looks beautiful. I think Syd Mead added the right amount of weirdness to the design where you definitely see it as a Gundam but clearly one that is incredibly far removed from what we're familiar with.
I fell asleep to this Gundam series more than any other.
Easy answer, the turn V shows up more than once