Nobody Understands UC Gundam
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- Gundam's Universal Century is a timeline which bounces from one awful event to the next. However, at one point the UC had a real chance at things working out, a chance which was blown by a single man.
Bandai:forces tomino to make another UC gundam series
Tomino:"and then it got worse"
Victory Gundam in a nutshell
Bandai ask tomino to make another gundam show and tun a was actually good but a bit confusing
And then tomino was taking acid when he came up with reco g because he was sure nothing go wrong after turn a success
Joke aside
I kinda like that idea
The fact we had ww2 and the many other conflict in the cold war was because ww1
Even though tomino wanted gundam to be cancelled during the making of victory
The quotes from wing made sense since as long there is man there will also be conflict
It's funnier, since almost all UC series ends with a bittersweet note, claiming that there is still hope for humanity despite the tragedy, and that the future may be more peaceful.
:Bandai: Tomino do you have any ideas for the characters?
:Tomino: Kill em all!
How worse is the question: Ideon already blew up the entire universe. he'd have a hard time topping that reputation..
This is why creating a martial arts tournament with each nation/faction creating a gundam to represent them is the only way to ensure peace
@@Feroce dude please do forgive him for he does not know hahahaua
@Mick Quarter where did that multiculturalism and diversity rant come from?
@Mick Quarter dude please realize those are just spooks.
Western society was nothing more than that,a society.
Made of people working with other people,not lads ranting about their ancestors having sharp noses.
Your very language comes from people you would define freaks and they feared other people as something different from their kind,but it's probably the only similarity with your so called ethnic group.
I'm begging you,don't loose anymore time reading bs on how you are part of the only civilized population and how diversity is bad.
It's literally the final thought of any obsolete group that vanished from this planet ,fearing that other humans might do them any harm worse than what isolation does to human minds.
@Mick Quarter an, so yo are on a role with strange observations
I agree, sure the earth gets kind of fucked in the processes but most of the people live.
My two big takeaways after reading CDA:
1. Natalie was just the best and I really miss her.
2. Poor Haman just wanted Senpai to notice her.
" Haman just wanted to be a house wife lmao and yeah it sucks what happened to Nat.
then tries to nab a 17 year old in attempt to avoiding christmas cake status
Ah, UC. The timeline where not even the guy with the name Bright gets a happy ending.
.... i don't know about that. e,e
I mean, in canon, he does. He ends up living happily with his family during an era of peace after Char's Counterattack. I can't speak to what happens in the Hathaway's Flash novels, but at least as of right now, that's not canon anyway.
Or his son.
@@ImDemonAlchemist Hathaway's Flash is potentially canon though, what with them not saying anything one way or another about the upcoming movies. The only UC anime they've declared non-canon as far as I can tell is Thunderbolt.
@@ImDemonAlchemist HA! Wait for when they finish adapting Hathaway's Flash that will go from canon to definitively canon.
Haman was such a sweet girl. Then she got Char'd.
dont let your daughter text the red comet
I wonder if a Noah slap could've fixed her.
Imagine Char explaining this entire sidestory to Amuro as the reason he wants to destroy the earth in CCA
Amuro: Why do you want to destroy the Earth Char?!
Char: YOU KILLED MY FIRST GIRLFRIEND THEN MY SECOND GIRL AND CHILD DIED BECAUSE THE GIRL WHO WAS RAPED BECAUSE I DIDN'T LIKE HER DIDN'T SAVE HER AND THE KID I LOOKED TO AS MY SON ALSO DIED SO YEAH I'M PISSED SO IMA DESTORY EARTH NOW FUCK OFF
Hahahahaha pretty much. Sad but still.
@Devilikg try telling that to Char my guy
Kamille got better at the end of ZZ.
@@MinscFromBaldursGate92 but at that point char's Psyche was un-repairable
@@MinscFromBaldursGate92 crap I always forget that, I just think he died at the end of Zeta
What is fucked up in this whole story to me, is that Char, BECAUSE he doesn't want to becomes the leader of the Zeon Remnants, basically throws Haman, still a 16 year old girl, into the viper's nest before leaving her alone into Axis. Char by leaving Axis forced her to become what she became by Zeta.
One line that struck me because of this manga in Char Counterattack is him saying at one point "Fall, Axis, and take down your dreaded memories with you". I know the manga is ad hoc, but with its context it makes that line even more tragic, as Axis is the symbol of what could have been for him.
Char was at that time, a psychological 52 car pile-up but he could recognize the tragedy of what COULD have been had he decided to sack up and take charge.
@@boxtank5288 i don't think he could
@@FredMaverik No he could...just as he recognized that no amount of regret was going to allow him to step back and ease off the pedal toward self destruction.
Char basically is what happens when the chosen one keeps running from his destiny. him and Haman are both tragic characters and sadly leave Mineva all alone in the world by the end of CCA. should have just listened to the ghost of Lalah. she could see future timelines and wanted Char to be happy.
It makes sense now. Char and Haman’s characters. I knew there was a relationship there but never knew the depth of it.
"Gets and is all around pretty grimm, nobody wins, everyone dies"
Me: ...Huh *Thoughts automatically drift to Warhammer 40K*
*laughs in bolt pistol*
10K years of static warfare isn't as bad as UC. At least the Imperium is still there.
I mean the dude's avatar is quite literally "Kreiger Char" so
Nurgle: This is an absolute win!
@@HolyknightVader999 Isnt as bad? Most humans never get past 20-30. The average lifespam of an imperial guard is way less than a day..hours at most. Most of humanity live in subhuman conditions working from dawn to night till death. Often never ever gazing upon the sun. Only to have it all taken away because some orks landed on the planet and its now an endless warzone. "The imperium is still there" Thanks to sacrificing billions of lives into the furnances of war. Planets get utterly destroyed on a nearly weekly basis.
Huh, 40k has #blameLorgar or #blameErebus, but it seems that UC Gundam needs #blameFabian for why everything got worse.
More like #BlameMagnus #HeDidLiterallyEverythingWrong
Sol Zen yes
Actually if you look back into the OYW its #BlameGhirenZabi moment.
@@barrybend7189 totally agree
@@MyJourneyConcludes MAGIC MAN WAS JUST TRYING TO HELP LAY OFF
I love UC. It's funny how Earth's military industrial complex and Anaheim Electronics are almost secret antagonists in a way.
They literally changed course of the falling colony from Operation Stardust just so it would crash on Earth. It if was just in order to save theirselves, they had the technology to drive it further away from Earth. However, the colony crash meant another war. All the Titans warmachine had already been discused with Bask supporters. How to say no to that huge amount of money? It's almost scary how UC Gundam can be so realistic sometimes.
Space lockheed martin loves stoking the flames, they even give Hathaway a gundam just to watch him fuck with the feddies post cca lol
I don't know about the "and then it got worst", half of all of humanity dying in 30 days kind of sets the bar pretty high as an opener.
sadly , it does get worst since there countless bloody wars that may have exceeded the 1 year war when put together
Didn't the federation let neo zeon colony drop some city in the desert
@@BOOFIRE191 I thought you reach that billions number only mixing the Gryps conflict with the Neo Zeon War
Damn, no wonder they have kids piloting mobile suits. With all these massacres happening so frequently, the average lifespan of a person in the UC universe must be like 5 years.
well considering C.C dark history happened to tied several gundam timeline. it get more worst. Specially since those mean the UC experience X gundam which is another disaster before pre turn A gundam which simply obliterate ALL space civilization leaving only moon lol.
It might be hard to get sometimes because Tomino has also retconned the story several times so it's hard to guess what's the message he wants to give. Hathaway is the perfect example. Meanwhile, Char's characterization goes through 180 degree change in the franchise
Was the Hathaway novel direct Tomino? Huh.
I always felt Char's thing is how when he tried to be better, he wasn't prepared and people weren't letting it go. Which is why Z ends with him so disillusioned.
@@DIEGhostfishif you read it you can really tell it's tomino lmao
UC is a disaster
Meanwhile Future century is peaceful with the *help of kyoji!!*
#KYOJIDIDNOTHINGWRONG
@@jrickducking6685 Well yeah, Kyoji was a victim.
Meanwhile in AD timeline: Shineburg chuckles in Psychohistory.
@Pro Token420 The Endless Waltz in action, eh?
I maintain that G Gundam is the objectively best series in the Gundam franchise.
"Then the Turn A came out of no where and blew up the plumbing"
I dunno why but the line has me laughing XD
Turn A blowing things up does not matter. We don't know exactly when Black History occurs. It can be 10 years after Victory, it can be 1000 years after G-Reco, or it can be some weird time-compressed universe where all Gundam universes coexist. No egomaniac like Full Frontal has a right to assert that humanity needs to end now instead of letting things unfold on their own.
@@manat31790 Off topic... but I'd love to see a series about stopping the turn a from resetting humanity
@@manat31790 G-Reco happens after Turn-A
For me, it was “... after landing the greatest headshot of all time.”
@@MetallicMutalisk Thank you for the info.
well it can also be a #BlameGhirenZabi for all of UC's trouble because he vaporized his dad.
Barry Bend Then he got shot in the head by his sister Kycilla, who later got a bazooka headshot by Char as she was retreating. LoL
When you realize that UC is basically WW1, where no one really wins and there's even more political and cultural radicalization after the OYW, it fits.
Works for both one and two, but two is more applicable as the development of the mobile suit kind of mirrors the development of the aircraft carrier - a complete change in how war was waged occurred right in the middle of the conflict.
UC is probably WW2 and WW1 in a reversed position, with all the treaties in place before any war happened, leading to WW2, and then WW1 happened because someone decided he had to rape a girl.
Closer to ww2. Ms are deployed like tanks and fighter planes. Un (titans) are formed but the titans becomes corrupt earth elitists.
Funny thing is that one of things I learned in Modern History back in High school was that a large part of what set the stage for WWII was the the Treaty of Versailles was simultaneously harsh enough to create animosity in the Central Powers towards the Allies that they would want to go to war again, and too lenient that it allowed them to build themselves back up to start another war.
Meanwhile, after the One Year War, Zeon basically got most of what it wanted in the treaty despite killing billions, and there were still enough shitheads who weren't happy with that to keep starting more bloody conflicts.
@@badbeardbill9956 Not really The first use of ms more closely resembles the use of tanks in ww1 than anything to do with aircraft carriers.
I'm nearing the end of my Zeta rewatch so this came at the perfect time, before rewatching ZZ. I wish Haman and Char's past was more developed in the anime. Char completely loses his composure upon seeing Haman with Mineva, but knowing Haman indirectly killed Natalie makes his lashing more understandable.
Your Gundam videos are great, I hope to see more from ya.
The canonicity of Char's Deleted Affair is a little wonky. As it seems to be based on the MSG trilogy canon rather than the 0079 series canon.
@@BOOFIRE191 Yeah that the part I'm referring to about the wonkyness of CDA canonicity. Nevertheless its still a interesting manga.
Also, Boofire, what other Gundam manga have you read? Would love to hear your thoughts on them.
@@BOOFIRE191 Gundam has a lot of what my friend likes to refer to as B canon, meaning it is canon as long as it doesn't contradict the canon that has been put to screen/animated that it is still considered canon. I remember them having put out a statement that only stuff that had been put to screen are 100% canon. Stories like Gaia Gear have canonicity issues since one of the shows directly contradicted stuff that took place in it. Which is why I pray Crossbone will get animated to seal its canonicity
Studio Nue: chuckles in Macross DYRL movie shitpost.
Gundam's canon, especially in UC, is practically a choose your own adventure thing. Hell people still debate whether the 0079 movie or series is canon, and the entirety of ZZ is non-canon to some.
Well, as far as cannon goes, I'm sure we can all agree that Mobile Suit Vs. Giant God of Legend: Gigantis' Counterattack is definite UC lore.
"Nobody understands UC Gundam" because of this one manga published about fifteen years after Zeta Gundam. Yeah, okay.
Exactly! This is just a play by play of a manga that adds a little flavor to the UC.
Also this manga use as canon movies, not TV series. In first chapter we see colonel M'Quvie. Alive!
@@ViTverd M'Quve crawled out of his grave to protect his vase collection.
Jokes aside, if this was an in-depth analysis of Tomino's various novels, beliefs & mentality (by referencing his various interviews or other works) and interpreting his intended direction with Gundam in the 80s, I'd be impressed. Instead we got a summary of CDA. Lmao.
@@UnholyDarknessZ please no specially the branching path of UC. adding reconguista in G will be pain
IDK about the title being called "nobody understands" since this was just a play by play of a manga for the majority of the video.
It's an ok video but I was expecting a delve deeper into the UC as a whole not what a essentially is a book report.
I was hoping for something deeper too. I feel like the average UC nerd could produce something like this. Still, not bad.
I'd call it "Something Nobody Understands About UC Gundam"
It's intentional clickbait. He has less than 100k subs so he has to pull b.s. like this to get bigger on youtube. If UA-cam knew to recommend videos properly channels wouldn't need to resort to tactics like these.
I still need someone to explain Gundam to me...I can't watch it without characters talking about lots of other characters, and events I know nothing about. I need a video called "Why can't I understand Gundam?!" =(
Jesus...who am i supposed to feel bad for!?
Everyone: yes
@DJ Prime - Truth.
@@ARCtrooperblueleader Even jerrid messa, bask ohm, jamitov, Sirrocco, etc?
@@RePhantomz I feel bad for Sirrocco, he made cool mobile suits
:(
@@RePhantomz Jerrid is more 'Man who saw following Orders as part of righteousness and wishing to get power to make the GOOD decisions' kinda guy. He definitely got screwed, first by the fact that everyone and their grandmother were all gunning for leadership of the Titans, and second the existence of Kamile who kinda proceeded to (actually or otherwise, he likely attached Kamile's face as though he were the one doing it) kill EVERYONE Jerrid knows essentially.
Quick Edit: Of course, a good bit of the No Good Terrible Year that Jerid had was the fault of Jerid himself because he couldn't let go of his hatred for Kamille, on top of that he also kept failing UPWARDS.
C H I E G J I O N
@Angel Alvarado KAMILLE IS A PERFECTLY GOOD NAME FOR A GUY, I'M A MAN AND I'LL PROVE IT!
All good things and people on UC always dies one way or another. Amuro, Haman, Char, Kamille, Revil (yes I see him as good and the moderate side of the Federation unlike Jamitov and those of Federation in UC 0083 onwards).
Judau survives, Usso survives, Seabook lives, Bright lives. There are a lot of good people that survive.
@@zeniatus
It's more like a curse than a blessing
Bright get super mega PTSD deluxe after executing his own son without being told about it
Usso is on the same boat after victory bitter "Victory"
Judau basically ran away to another solar system with a colony full of newtype
Seabook does get to be with his family but can't make contact with his sister and mom and not knowing what happened to tobi in seven steel
Juan Rodriguez Usso was fine after the conflict. He’s probably the most stable protagonist out of the lot.
Bright and Judau were hit hard from the years of conflict they both witnessed however Judau didn’t runaway. More tried to set off to try and make a newtype paradise.
Despite UC being filled with conflict a decent lot of people survive each show, even more counting mangas such as F90.
Well....banager is still alive ...
kai loves u He did everything for the pussy. So you can’t call him good exactly.
"You know why they call it a cockpit, doncha?"
-An American Hero
Tell that to Loran Cehack.
UC is a never ending hell
@Weston Meyer meh. C.E is just a remake/re-imagining of UC
@@viankatsu im not watching most of uc series yet but seeing seed,seed destiny and stargazer it much worse to me
@@suprisebuttsecksspy5958 destiny i agree because how rushed it is, but seed and stargazer? Nuh uh, not to me
@@viankatsu seed actually had decent plot and dont know what to talk about character, seed its rushed and doesnt make sense, while stargazer showed off a true potential of CE
I absolutely loved Char's Deleted Affair. I loved the intrigue, the characters and how it expanded the UC lore.
That being said, I've been having a personal UC Chronological marathon, and taking this video into perspective, along with all the animes I've just watched, this video does indeed make a lot of sense.
You know when I saw those chickens in the thumbnail, I was instantly reminded of that one early episode in ZZ Gundam where Bright and Yazan were chasing and catching chickens...
So Fabius is the Erebus of the Universal Century?
Erebus would bang a book.
Fabius would just bang.
@@AAhmou Notice how similar their names are...
4:28 woah. what anime is that with the little kid?
Ideon
Space Runaway Ideon. Not sure if it's the Be Invoked OVA or just the TV series though. It's basically THE show that gave Tomino his "Kill'em all" nickname.
@@DarkButz it's from Be Invoked
@@DarkButz Tomino was a bit spiteful at the time since many complained about how the TV series ended so he decided to have one of the most puzzling "fuck you all "ending for OVA. Then 20 years later, same thing happened with Anno.
Turn A was the hero the UC timeline really needed. Ironically.
🦋
"And then it got worse!" is actually a good description for G- Saviour
I got into Gundam like a year ago, watched mostly alternate universe material like 00, then made my way to UC. I thought it was so disjointed and inconsistent, I couldn't stand it. I LOVED CHAR, but his character progression was driving me nuts. THANK YOU for making this and giving me some insight here.
I normally hate diving into expanded materials for properties I like, but it seems Gundam's UC really does need them to pull it all together.
Oh boy, where to begin with this one? "Nobody understands UC Gundam", and it's clear this applies to you as well. First of all, CDA is not canon so anything presented there is irrelevant. Second of all, the whole message of UC Gundam is that it's a rejection of the Great Man Theory. This is spelled out clear as day with the ending of CCA where Char, portraying himself as the savior of mankind, is thwarted by the combined wills of Humanity channeled through the Nu's Psycho Frame. Char/Haman/Gihren/Deikun/Scirocco etc could NEVER bring peace to the UC because they were all more interested in using newtypes as pawns to solidify their own power over nursing them as the heirs of humanity. In UC it's demonstrated time and time again that peace can only be established when the individual makes an attempt to understand their opponent, which no government, not the corrupt democracy of the Federation nor the Dictators mentioned above, can do. That is what Amuro was telling Char during the Axis Shock incident. As is your entire video is just bad fan fiction.
Lit comment.
The virgin video vs the chad comment
I think another point to add is that the machinations that lead to Zeon’s defeat were already well underway before Amuro even fell into the cockpit.
“It’s a rejection of the Great Man Theory”
*all the wars get resolved by one teenager in a big top secret wobot with bigger laser pew pews each time*
Tomino is a hack, but people who think the “get” Gundam are even bigger hacks. The same people who unironically post the “wow, cool robot” meme, as if appreciating the time and effort that went into designing and animating the various mobile suits in this piece of VISUAL MEDIA, is bad because “YoU’rE IgNoRiNg ThE cEnTrAl ThEmEs, WaR iS bAd ThErEfOrE nO fUn AlLoWeD!!!1!1!1!” It’s like a bunch of English majors scrambling to justify their worthless degrees. If Tomino is supposed to “Kill em’ all” then I wish he’d have the balls to pull a Remarque and kill one of his protagonists. And not in a wishy washy “became one with the Newtype life stream” like Amuro.
@@krism.6598 because Amuro single handedly ended the conflicts he fought in right?🙄 I suggest you actually watch at least one of these show before acting like an expert
Really great analysis. I thought one of the points you kind of glossed over that can be expanded upon is the trend in the entire Universal Century is the fact that characters are emotionally immature and regressive BECAUSE of war. All of the seeming emotional sociopathy of not only adult military industrial complex participants but also the children used as tools by that complex, originate from the old type psyche of solving problems through dehumanizing conflict.
That's why I like the UC so much it's realistic in that the small details can make the biggest difference, don't believe me? Look up the British soldier who didn't shoot a german soldier who later became the dictator who started the second world war. The smallest of choices and sometimes smallest of kind acts can lead to horrible consequences and you get that in the UC gundam time line most of the time. Also the one year war is mirrored of the second world war which is a really nice touch and works for a war story that is at it's heart anti-war.
Ehhh I still lay most blame at Char's feet. He could have easy claimed his throne by the time of Zeta and pushed space towards a better future. Hamon would have willingly followed him no matter what he chose. She had him beat multiple times at the end of Zeta but kept trying to get him to join her almost to the point of begging. As for Mineva if Char was so bothered by her being used he could have easy taken on that responsibility. If he was worried about in fighting he could have declared Mineva his heir burying the hatch between him and the Zabis once and for all.
Most of the cast of zeta would have lived if they had neo zeon aiding them in the battle against the titans ehh its al rather sad.
The main issue with Char was he could never get over the past and he was afraid to take responsibility for his father's legacy. Instead only choosing to take his fathers name when he planed to used it to go out on one last over dramatic suicided riding a rock in to earth.
Reinhard from legend of the galactic heroes is every thing Char could have been.
I mean he was traumatized enough he wasn;'t able to do that.
Really? Char seemed the least at fault to me, certainly in his initial choice not to take up his father's legacy. He, probably better than any other character in the entire Gundam series, understood the dangers of political radicalisation and putting power in the hands of a charismatic dictator.
Besides, why should it be the responsibility of one man to push humanity towards a better future? Like Yang said in LoGH, it's the people who want an easy life, who don't want to solve their own problems by their own effort and wait around for some saint or superman to show up from somewhere and shoulder all their troubles by himself who deserve most of the blame. Which is literally every other major character in the series.
@@user-ef1xv2qi3k See I would agree with you if counter attack had not turned out the way it did. Char through Zeta was the reluctant hero being very much forced to take on the mantle of leadership as he fought the titans and tried to make Haman and Neo Zeon see reason. He even managed to push for reforms in the federation but all of that is thrown out the window when he returns as a genocidal mad man.
He went in to hiding and watched the world go further to hell, than he came back gathered the broken weak spacnoids under him playing the part of their messiah just to finish a personal grudge. He used Quess and Guss and all of Zeon as tools just so he could have his big dumb fight with Amuro and go out with one last big bang riding a meteor in to the planet. He doesn’t even care about his father’s ideals by the end of it he just wants to die in a big dramatic way.
He tries to use Quess against Amuro to hurt him and when Amuro turns it back on him revealing that Quess was looking for a father figure in his pain Char lashes out at Amuro in a childish way blaming him for Lalah’s death even though he had forgiven him back in OG gundam.
Char is not the Yang of Gundam that is Amuro. Char is a weak version of Reinhard who could not see things through till the end. Don't get me wrong I feel bad for Char but at the end of the day he screwed every thing up, got Himself and Amuro killed and left Mineva and the people of Zeon alone in a dark world that hates them.
@@kinggundragon3728 Oh man, Char in CCA was a clusterfuck of a character. I'm not even going to try and rationalise who he became or what he did because honestly, it doesn't make any sense to me. His character was totally contrived for plot purposes, turning him from a pragmatic sociopath to a sentimental psychopath.
But if we were to hypothesise about how he ended up at that point...I don't think that Char would have ever ended up in a position of political leadership (that gave him the power and resources to buy a literal asteroid) if it wasn't for others enabling him into that position. In Zeta, he was clearly happy with his freedom as Quattro Bajeena, and while he had aspirations for humanity they were, well, humanitarian. Not ideological and certainly not radical.
Throughout CDA and Zeta, Char is in a sense groomed to take political power. Yes, I'm talking about 'you should be a human sacrifice' Amuro, 'you have no choice' Kamille and even 'you're the hope of all Spacenoids' Muharaja Karn. After Zeta, Char presumably takes all this to heart and decides he has to be the one to fill the galactic leadership vacuum and take the class struggle into his own hands (or at least that's the only way I can understand CCA Char's motivations). Not that it justifies his mystifying genocidal tendencies in any way, but my point is just that CCA-Char type dictators don't pop out of thin air. They are created through the inaction of others who, instead of stepping up to the plate themselves, shove all their hopes and expectations onto one dude with a convenient family background. And then they have the gall to take the moral high ground when everything goes wrong.
I don't think Char is anything like Reinhard or Yang by the way. It was just a quote I thought was applicable. If anything, his pragmatic consequentialism is a very Oberstein kind of thing, though his mommy issues definitely remind me of Reuenthal.
@@user-ef1xv2qi3k I have always felt like Char is meant to be a tragic character but the execution of the events to get him there failed. I feel like he should have returned in ZZ and that should have had the final events to make him in to CCA Char. That artist guy in one of the Africa episodes should have just been Char trying to pull a obi wan kenobi hiding out after what happen to Kamille. He and Amuro should have both returned after Haman dropped the colony on Ireland with Char wanting to kill her and viewing her as his mistake much like he did in zeta.
Char should have played the part of the mentor to Judau while Judau would be voice for all the people drug in to war trying to soften a jaded Char. By the end of it Judau should have convinced Char to try and reason with Haman once more. The final fights should have been Judau fighting Glemy while Char has a final confrontation with Haman and Amuro having to fight all of the Ple clones that were loyal to Glemy.
During Char and Haman’s fight they should have been forced to share a link thus showing each other how they view the events up to this point and ending with Char talking Haman down and agreeing to take her and the remnants of Zeon away to the far reaches of space. This would have been Char’s highest moment having proven both his father and Lalah right that humans can change. That they can come to truly understand each other only to have it all come crashing down when the federation shows up and a random federation soldier kills Haman while she is still linked to Char. This trigging his PTSD brought on by Lalah’s death.
Char would then have to watch as the federation slaughter what remains of Haman’s forces while Amuro holds him back. At the end of it all Judau would leave for Jupiter having been fed up with how things turned out but still hoping for a better world. He would try to get Char to come with him but Char would refuse promising that he wouldn't let this ever happen agaiChar n.
Then we would enter CCA with a jaded Char trying to end the federation once and for all. One major difference is ied have Kamille and Sayla both confront Char and try to talk him out of his madness. Only to have him reply that he is doing every thing for them. Having Char view it as the federation would never forgive zeon. They would forever oppress and murder spacnoids and he being the only one who could stop it. The final bit would be him blaming Amuro for being unable to save any one and being the tool of the federation. With them only reaching understanding after he blames Amuro for Lalah’s death and they link and then it would end with them reaching understanding and stopping axis at the cost of their lives. Also I would have Amuro have a son it was really dumb that they took that out of CCA.
Sorry for getting a bit long winded there but ive thought about this for many many years after how bad of a taste CCA left me feeling.
Honestly, I would love to see Char's deleted affair get an animated adaptation.
Basically:
Zeon: Bad and sometimes really bad
Feds: very grey and bad
3rd faction: very good or very bad
New times: lol
Cyber newtypes: insane
Secondary characters: basically the gm II in zeta
Feds are good, Titans were rogue agents.
@@GonnaDieNever the Federation is horribly corrupt and at best rather callus
@@justinreijnders8992 And stills by the good guys.
@@GonnaDieNever I think you are conflating "the good guys work for us" with "we are the good guys"
Tancread of Galilee The escalation of the one year war is on both Zeon and the Federation.
While this was all essentially retconed, can you imagine how much better this all would’ve been had it not went down that way? I mean we would not have essentially half or more of the UC timeline, but also a world where Haman would’ve been happy. It’s pretty crazy.
man, just looking at the changes on haman's eyes is really explains her heartbreak
The 3 laws of thermodynamics:
1. Nothing is Free.
2. There's ALWAYS undodgeble income tax on top of the full price.
3. Don't worry, it only gets worse.
The fabian event didn't really break haman mind as much as her hero (char) acting like a manipulative bastard, that last chapter were painful, she put too much on char backs and he basically leave her completely.
Not saying that the attempted rape wasn't something terrible for her, it was of course, but that wasn't her "definitive factor" in her changed to what she was in zeta, compared to everything that happen to her after that... Oh boy, losing her father to their conrades, been abandon by her hero in the most decisive moment, losing most of his friends (some die, others got away from her cause of the politic madness), she was left alone to rule a colony and a politic state.
An attempted rape is nothing compared to being deprived of her life, she become the vessel of a ruler and nothing more, living by what was expected of her instead of what she wanted to be, she didn't have a choice... That's why she seeks someone warm, but someone as pure as she thought her hero was... (Judau basically), and in a way even him left her.
That's really depressing...
Holy headshots, Batman!
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For me UC Gundam was a franchise about anti revolution. Revolutions often lead to wars. If you view people like Zeon Deikun for example as Karl Marx, rise of radicalism in general, even though in Gundam they never talk about the economic side of Zeon, only the ideological side, so we never get to see if they're Socialist or not, but honestly that is besides the point as they focus more on the Ideological aspects, like how Marxist were Class Socialist, or the Nazis were Race Socialist, while Fascist were Social Nationalist. We only need to look at the Ideological side of Zeon to see that they were Socialist, a blend of Class/Racial Socialist, at times emulating Marxism, and at other times Emulating the Nazis Racist ideology replacing Aryans with Newtypes. Either way the Zeons divided Society into groups. Spacenoids, Earthnoids, Lunarians and Newtypes. So they have the Hallmarks of a Radical Socialist Ideology like Marxism or Nazism. Ironically Fascist didn't believe in dividing Society into Classes, as it was counter productive to Nationalist tendencies. The Nazis replaced Fascist Nationalism with Racism ie you could only be German if you were Ethnically German, which is quite different than Italian, Hungarian and Spanish Fascism. So it's why it's best to place the Nazis into their own Racist driven category. As it wasn't a core requirement of Fascism but is for Nazism. Fascist didn't believe in a Racial Theory of History but the Nazis did, and there is no question that many Zeons are devoutly racist toward Earthnoids. Gundam never talks about the Economics of the universe, but does the Ideological, as it's the Ideological elements that are most dangerous, the elements that justify murder, death and war. Also it's quite ironic that despite the Newtype theory championed by the Zeons say Newtypes develop in space a large chunk of Newtypes actually spent much of their lives on Earth.
That being said that Anti Revolution message is perhaps the most important. Siding with any faction or group that denounces another out of hate/spite and jealousy are not groups people should be wanting to Associate with. I think that is the main point of Gundam. It's also why Amuro gives that Anti Revolutionary Rant at Char during Char's Counterattack. It is why Marida Cruz in Unicorn describes the Zeon ideology like a Religion. The entire point of the Gundam franchise at least under Tomino was to educate a new generation of the dangers that lead to much of the suffering throughout the 20th Century. Radicalism, Revolution, the danger of Radical Ideologies that have Irrational demands that can never be met, only to use the fact their enemies never meet their demands as justifications for conflicts/wars. You see it in the streets of the USA today with all the riots tragically, people demanding something that is almost impossible, either ignorant to the fact their demands literally can not be met without creating a huge danger to society then radicalist using those failures of those demands not being met to riot, destroy property and harm people. That is the cycle. That is how the Nazis and Marxist justified murdering millions as their was no rational way to deal with their 'questionable' problems you know the groups who were considered problems. Problems that couldn't be fixed by rational means because their ideologies at their core were not rational to begin with so no rational solution would ever fix their perceived problems.
UC Gundam could be summed up in one line:
"...and I took that personally."
haman is literally my waifu.fite me
I'll fight you. I'm in love with that woman!
Ok so you are into dominatrix Minky Momo. Ok.
@Barry Bend 😂
She is a great character and an excellent antagonist.
@@bravo0105 I know but I had to make the joke.
There's always that one guy that had to crash everything in every universe though some stupid actions...
Eh-- U.C. Gundam would have turned out a lot better had Degwin Zabi and Zeon Deikun not had such conflicting views on how to break from the Earth sphere that Degwin felt he needed to have Deikun killed to save their Republic. It would have turned out better had Char been killed when he first encountered the Gundam. It would have turned out better had Char not betrayed Garma and had him killed as Garma wanted peace with the Earth and would have been a force to prevent the fighting getting so bad. It would have turned out better had Char not assassinated Kycillia and instead left on White Base or been killed by the explosion he caused.
It would have turned out better had Char not gotten involved in the whole A.U./Titans conflict as his involvement caused Sirocco and Haman to get involved and for the Titans going from the force that was locking down a repeat of Operation Stardust to aligning with their worst enemies and acting to repeat it.
Hell, it would have turned out better had Char merely been killed when his father had been assassinated. The one man who was responsible for the continuation of all the conflict was Char 90% of the time-- so nit-picking the one instance where he wasn't entirely responsible seems flimsy.
Much like actual history the UC has ALOT of forks in the road where things could have gone differently (with some alternative forks being explored) and often some getting a heavier share of the blame then others with how things turned out. A good example is the lead up to WWI where there are a surprising number of points the entire thing could have been averted.
Char while the reason for alot of continued conflict is "usually" not doing so willfully as CDA lampshades with the fact he is constantly being pushed by people around him to become the "savior" and leader of zeon but repeatedly refuses to take the role cause he's never wanted to become that. Some would even argue Char's Counterattack is simply him being done with it all and taking the role purely out of spite and a desire to go down in one last fight with Amuro more then any true desire to see Zeon rise.
Actually Deguinn would have stopped the war without a loss of bloodshed if it weren't for Ghiren using the colony laser to overthrow his dad.
Unfortunatelly Unicorn "LaPlace box" is just a Setup for an inevitable war between Earth and Newtypes. Is like that paradox of going back in time to kill Hitler and then someone even worse takes his place.
I was gonna say "There was a THIRD Neo Zeon war?" but then i remembered: ZZ, CCA & Unicorn. :P
>he doesn’t know about the 76th Neo Zeon war.
IS what happened in Unicorn called the third Neo-Zeon war? I don't think it is. It was more of a skirmish or a few skirmishes but I don't think Sunrise has ever labeled it the Third Neo-Zeon War. Don't quote me on that but I'm pretty sure I'm right.
@@porkflaps4717 gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Third_Neo_Zeon_War
The Neo Zeon wars are like Battles on the Isonzo, they just don't stop
@@handles_are_a_bit_rubbish Another Rumble on the Isonzo:
Franz Conrad _"The Punisher"_ von Hötzendorf *"A LEFT HOOK LIKE A SKODA HOWITZER!"*
vs
Luigi _"Generalissimo"_ Cadorna *"WHEN A SOLDIER LACKS THE SPIRIT AND WILL TO FIGHT, HE LACKS EVERYTHING!"*
If I were Char in Zeta, I'd have gone full romance with Haman Karn and have Mineva Zabi as our surrogate child. All the while, I'd take full leadership of the AEUG and steer Mineva towards a more Zeon Deikun-esque approach to politics, so when she ascends the throne, she'd do what's right. Axis and the AEUG become one force, we knock the stuffing out of the Titans but instead of destroying them, we'd also assimilate them (probably put someone like Scirocco in charge after executing Bask Om and Jamitov for war crimes) and there you have it. The perfect end for the Gundam franchise.
Didn't expect this much information from the video but damn! I really enjoyed this.
I hope you make more Gundam videos in the future
Good video, but the title seems to have little to do with the content.
A bit of backstory in a side story comic that 90% of Gundam fans haven't read hardly warrants a title like this, which seems to imply that people are misunderstanding the major events of the timeline.
Curious if you put the I guess counter of what happened to Char and Amuro in CDA and CCA together. Char loses a woman he cared for and the child where as Beltorchika lost Amuro in the end.
Story might be meh, but the MS designs look seriously awesome.
Like thoroughly overworked versions of ZAKU, GELGOOG and DOM.
All seem to have better proportions (from a human standpoint) and smoother lines while still clearly being robotic/mechanical.
Sim. Frischh Overworked Gelgoog looks absolutely amazing, tbh.
@@ev4n5eli0n01 Totally.
I love how the MS are shown here, it´s almost a shame what Haman came to Earth later on.
As if they suddenly forgot how to design good MS.
I still am hoping for Ibo Ryde’s Counterattack
Ryde rides again
I think the new catchphrase for UC should be "Nobody wins, everybody dies, then the ∀ comes out of nowhere to blow up your plumbing" had me rolling LOL
so, a beat-for-beat description of a not-so-esoteric manga is paramount to Nobody Understanding UC Gundam. Right. Just call this video 'the importance of char's deleted affair' or whatever, instead of clickbaiting and not attracting the people who are actually interested in the manga.
Why was Char's girl iced? Did the pro-war faction do it? Didn't they want to control him through her? Was it decided to try and demoralize him by murdering a loved one, and thus force him out of the political picture? If they knew he was Casval Daikun, how could they not understand his role in the Zabi downfall? Did a different faction kill her in order to turn Char into an attack dog against the pro-war faction? There are some wierd contrivances in this manga.
I saw Fabian infront of a Kampfer. That suit needs some more love.
Also nice vid mate! Love these kind of lore vids.
I wish this would get an OVA this has been my favorite side story plus fills in a bunch of holes in the anime canon.
Universal Century:
War is bad,we've losing comrades&lover just for this vain war
Post calamity war:
*PEACE WAS NEVER AN OPTION*
Well, we wouldn't have all the awesome Titans and AoZ MS if things didn't shake out the way they did so let's be thankful. I have some kits to build!
In that same manga char tried to manipulate haman in a way (the reason why she act the way she does towards him in zeta makes sense because of that).
Oh Char and his thing with young girls... With Lalah, Natalie, Haman, Quess, Kamille.
UC is the original timeline. It's the love story between Char and Amuro. Without Char and Amuro, there will be no UC.
It's not all that hard to understand. Watching gundam origins helps a lot though.
Loved this. Not many people have read Char's deleted love affair and understood how big of a part it plays in zeta gundam.
True the whole story starts at the end of the OYW and ends at the beginning events of Zeta where Char joins the AEUG and begins the MKII jacking operation.
Basically every event in the UC timeline makes the world wars look like a cakewalk
Every UC series: "hey guys, we know shit is horrible but things will get better one day"
Victory: "...yeeeeeeeeeeah, about that"
G-Saviour and Reconigusta in G: Amauteurs.
The rest: What did you say, punk?
Those two: Amateurs!!
Ideon: Hi!
(Meanwhile Battletech looms over behind all of them including Ideon)
Char isn't a maniac. he's a genius. he is right about humanity
Stardust was going to happen no matter what Char did. Stardust was acted upon by loyalists to the late Girhen Zabi, we see this in the attitudes of Captian Delaz and Anavel Gato. These people were Zeon fanatics, and as Operation Stardust was still going to happen it's likely the Titans were still going to form. It's just Stardust's outcome would be heavily different, likely there wouldn't have been any support from Axis at all.
Then there are the remnant Zeon forces that hide out on Mars which receive support from the Busch Concern to be the Oldsmobile Army, and after their fall will be the Busch Concern becoming Cosmo Babylonia and it's Crossbone Vanguard. Universal Century Earth was never going to see peace in any one's life time.
Don't forget that Bask supporters pretty much wanted Stardust to succeed to create a schism into the Earth Federation for the Titans to be born. Even if Stardust never happened, any Zeon/Spacenoid revolt would have been fueled into something bigger as an excuse to divide Earthlings. It wasn't one sided, so it was bound to happen no matter what Axis decided.
to this day I hold onto a hopeful wish that there might be a decently length military based gundam anime but at the same time I doubt it would happen
This was a great video. Wish this was included in the anime. UC should have had one series runner.
In every gundam theres always a colony drop, some big robot that has a girl pilot getting killed, some whiny cry baby forced to fight as the protagonist, some dude in a mask as the enemy. Prove me wrong...
Iron blooded orphans
Gundam Wing, IBO, X
What scares me is what if the years we're living in are the years of the Universal Century..
Acting as if CDA turning out differently would've solved everything is a massive reach. The Jupiter Fleet still would've existed and once Haman and Char die, they would be replaced by possibly corrupted or people that can't handle the responsibility. The Federation's corruption would've still happened as an eventuality and a war between Char and Haman Vs. the Federation would've occurred. The Cosmo Babloynia still would've been created and it would lead to F91, Crossbone and Victory.
It's also pretty ironic with that click bait title, you yourself don't understand that the series isn't grim. You look at it as if it all happens one after the other. Turn A comes right after G-Saviour Tomino's Gundam was all about how individuals were able to work together to make a better future and stop the war. Even with all of the corruption there were people who rose to the occasion and fought to stop further casualties, bringing periods of general peace to the citizens. While there is a point that U.C. never learns the lesson(Tomino's making Greco based on that), each Tomino U.C. story is about a tragic war that eventually ends with hope onto the horizon. CCA spells it out. A grim series doesn't have these hopeful endings. Sure there's consequences. But that's part of the message.
The only reason the Titans were proved to be a necessary evil and supported by the Federation was because of Operation Stardust. If that didn't happen, the Federation would have been too confident in their complete victory to have bothered funding such a specialist force to keep spacers in line. And the much stronger Earth Federation force would have been better able to handle any other factions that might have later decided to attack the Earth sphere-- if the strength of the Earth Sphere military alone wasn't enough to dissuade them. Cosmos Babloynia in particular never would have formed had Side 6 not felt that there was an opportunity for them to rebel just like Zeon did.
TheHobgoblyn
It’s a reach to say that Stardust would’ve been averted in the first place. Or that Stardust wouldn’t have just caused the Federation to tighten their hold with their two new Gundam type mobile suits, nor that the secrets wouldn’t have been revealed to the public, leading to mass suppression/oppression.
Neither does it stop Scirroco from coming back to the Earth sphere. And it would be even easier for him to gain power to what you assume to be a lax government.
Also, you forgot the fact that Jupiter has a monopoly on helium-3 Which powers everything. Any threat from them is backed by the control of the market.
These presuppositions all miss the fact that the Federation corrupts because of the people who are working in it, not the events that happen. And one way or another there will be an overreach or a rebellion that leads into another war. Humanity isn’t perfect, which is why war is constant in UC. The message is that there’s always good people/youth to bring hope through understanding.
Really great video! At first, I was like "What are we doin looking at these ladies? Let's get back to Amuro and Char! The action!" But, you made it work, awesome job. Also very plausible logical thinking. Heartbreak can most certainly ripple out and affect whole nations and historical events. I'm sure it's happened on our own Earth.
One major theme of the UC timeline is that power leads to corruption. As positions of power shifts, roles are rearranged and who was recently considered the good guy can quickly become bad, and vise versa. There's heroes among zeon and the federation, waiting to arise when dealt a hand of injustice. No matter how righteous and loyal to their values the crew of whitebase was, time would quickly sweep away their connections and accomplishments.
It's not all bad
At least it's not After War.
After War X has a happy ending though.
@@zeniatus
It does but the setting itself is still pretty grim
Schway Goose The setting is a dystopia. But to say the series is grim is laughable. It’s one of the brightest in the franchise.
Considering how it leads into F91 (time to wipe out 1/6 of humanity) Victory (mindrape everyone on Earth) G-Savior (Everyone is starving to death) eventual G-Reco (ok there's too much going on, wtf) are you entirely sure about that?
Jetblast01 After War Gundam X isn’t UC. It’s AW.
Let’s be perfectly honest about the UC timeline almost anyone on both the Federation or Zeon side would start a international’s crisis that would have started another war. The sad truth is that the One Year War brought up several issues with both the questions of Colonialism of space and the importance of the Newtype Phenomenon that cannot be answer without putting heated tension onto the discussion. The Federation will say that the Earth sphere is the way for humanity to survive and thrive, why the other hand Zeon will say that they are the answer to humanity evolution into the Newtypes sensation, but sad truth is that Humanity will be at odds with itself because of these issues that should’ve been solved together as a species.
Minerva offered hope? Boy..someone didn't read Crossbone Dust. Say hello to the Zabi Zeon faction even though before Dust, the Zeon's last hurrah was the Mars Zeon/Oldsmobile Army (and the reason why the Feds were getting their asses kicked by Cosmo Babylonia during F91, they were busy dealing with Mars Zeon invading Earth)
Wait for real
I read f90 and i was aware about mar zeon
But mar zeon was still active after that
I thought it was a bunch of old space boomers
But a whole somewhat army
@@jrickducking6685 Yeah, Formula Report 0122 had the Oldsmobile Army invaded Earth.
I am very not familiar with anything you just said
Past unicorn and even other works that happen between the various uc shows im very unfamiliar
I really got to wonder how there keep being new wave of Zeon forces when every single time they have lost and had every single person fighting for them killed. They should be extinct a dozen times over. It would be like if we had major Nazi terrorist groups that somehow had comparable military force to the U.S. popping up every decade since World War II and losing every single time and having all of their stuff wrecked, yet a decade later another with again comparable military equipment just popped up again.
It's almost like the creators of Gundam are so fixated on that one single plotline that they are utterly incapable of moving on and actually writing literally anything else.
Also-- given the regularity of spacers declaring themselves new Zeon waves, why did no NeoTitans anti-spacer force never materialize again to actively work to prevent such a thing? Seems like as the Earth Federation wins every single conflict, but not without suffering great casualties, it would be much easier for an extremist anti-Spacer group to form than another Zeon wave.
Amuro: I guess you’re not the only one having bad luck, because my first girlfriend dumped me and I was placed in surveillance . Well, we both had bad luck with girls.
Char: WHY IS THAT!?
Amuro: because recently the girl who I wish I could spend with her more, just died in space.
What is so complicated? There is always some red boi and some gundam poilet fighting that red boi.... And war.... Always war....
Tch. I understand it perfectly fine and love it. Also you absolutely cannot judge the whole UC franchise by what is in uncanon side story manga.
It's not uncanon, it's just not something to be taken as a 1 to 1 of what happened. If you like it count it, if you don't like it ignore it.
Calvin_Coolage well that is all uc Gundam manga tbh. It can be uncanon and you can still think it’s canon. But ultimately Tomino dictates what is canon and most UC manga are not canon
@@GrieveIV No, Sunrise dictates canon because they're ones who have the rights. Tomino's input on the franchise is minimal aside from the things he worked on.
Calvin_Coolage right and nowadays his opinion seems trivial. Like that one time he and sunrise totally disagreed on whether G Reco was after or before Turn A
@@GrieveIV To be fair, the old man changes his opinion on that from interview to interview. But I get what you mean.
So that’s how Hamon’s hair got so fluffy! This puts the whole UC in perspective for me now.
ngl i clicked off the video when he started talking about a non canon au spinoff manga 1 minute in
I don’t understand how people don’t understand the mainline continuity of the Universal century
Well, a peaceful Gundam show wouldn't be very fun to watch
Thank you for covering and reviewing this manga.
Man, your video its pure Gold!
Damn, I read CDA last summer and didn't connect that Fabian was the root cause of so much
The story of CDA is more like Paradise Lost meets the downfall of Camelot, all bcoz of a snake named Fabian. There could have been an Eden in the UC timeline, but it got ruined by love, sex, & selfish desires. Haman would've been an Joan of Arc of Axis, but due 2 an attempted rape, tragedy & heartbreak, she became another Kycilla Zabi, where as she use 2have a crush on Char, just like Quess in CCA. While Char, after taking revenge on the Zabis, was @ a loss 2 what 2do next bcoz of Lalah's death, even though Lalah was guiding Char from the other side. Char took an infant Mineva 2 Axis where love, conflict & grief awaits him. He found comfort in the form of Natalie, who was used by Fabian, only 2 succumb 2 a tragic fate while being pregnant of Char's child. Fabian tried & failed 2 get his way w/ Haman. If it weren't 4 Natalie's death, Fabian's attempt & Haman's heartbreak, Char would've guided humanity 2 a different course of history, there wouldn't have been an Operation Stardust, Gyrps Conflict, nor any other shit that came afterwards. Instead, Char was portrayed as an aimless wondering jerk looking 4 a girl w/ a mother's love. Nonetheless, CDA is still authored by Yoshiyuki Tomino himself.
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ooh.
menacing.
I guess it's not just Jojo.
Arbiter Lumiose
Well the VA for Mu la Flaga is the Dio we know and love.
except Char was right about the EF ignoring the state of the earth's environment, which is why what he attempted to do in CCA was the correct course of action. Also, hathaway's study of botany proved that Char was right and the EF needed to be dealt with.
This needs to be adapted into a anime just like Origins was. It would fill in a big gap in understanding the motivations of Char.
Couldn't agree more, I'll not be surprised along the way Bandai introduces new Zeta or whatever for their milking or cashing of gunpla kit hehehe. Storywise this good to boot since it kinda sums of Haman Karn action before Char's Counter Attack & Double Zeta. And it's kinda weird why she has that atrocities towards Char when watching Double Zeta, unless you read the CDA Manga, but this in a way kinda sums it up her shattered past & why she acts that way after.
Plus a small OVA from Char's perspective between Z/ZZ and CCA. That we were shown his ultimate downfall for what is about to happen in CCA. That would fill most plot holes.
Remember... just because you have a giant fucking robot, no still means no.
Everyone gets it, it's a great story and thank Amuro for all the series that have been created.
A very well done analysis. It's not often that people go this far to make their analysis and think larger scale than one Gundam unit and one newtype.
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