Handgun Etiquette for Beginners
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In this video we will cover some of the most rookie mistakes that beginners make when it comes to handguns and revolvers. There may even be a few facts in here that can teach advanced handgunners something. We hope you enjoy the video and we have much more to come in the future.
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Not only should you not let the slide slam, you shouldn't fire a bullet out of the gun either. Those bullets going off create a lot of pressure in the barrel and just think of all that gun powder gunking up the barrel. You probably shouldn't touch the gun either, gonna get your finger grease all over it and ruin the finish.
lol
But where's all the fun in that? ;-;
it was a joke
+Domi Jeuckens No shit, Sherlock
First off, you get an 'A' for a great screen name, second I agree with your sarcasm. I never understood why some guys stress the slide slam no no on 1911s..
Dear beginners,
If you're tired of hearing contradictory information on the Internet from self-proclaimed experts, the manufacturer of your firearm publishes a great book. It's called an owner's manual. Try reading it.
Thanks will try
@@Leatricaw Ok try
It's unbelievable how much people don't...
I will definitely try, went through 2 months of paperwork to get to this point but hopefully I can
“DO NOT RIDE THE SLIDE FORWARD. FAILURE TO PROPERLY COMPLETE STEP 5 (b ) MAY INDUCE A STOPPAGE.
5. To chamber a cartridge release the slide by either:
a. Pressing down on slide catch lever.
b. Pulling back on the slide until slide catch lever drops clear of slide then, releasing the slide.”
From the sig sauer manual for my 226
Watching you guys drop the slide should be a great reminder to all new and seasoned firearm practitioners. I've been shooting for about 27 yrs, and every once in a while, I'll do something that make's me go.."that wasn't good to do." My point is that no matter how much experience or training you have, mistakes will be made. Hopefully small ones that have no major consequences. I have always had the belief that someone who is 100% relaxed and comfortable using a firearm is somewhat dangerous. ALL of your attention has to be on EVERY move you do with a firearm, from closing the slide to muzzle direction. I ride a Harley, and I have the same belief towards that. I've been riding for 34 yrs and i have always said..the moment I become relaxed, carefree and comfortable riding will be my last day.
Another great vid, thanks!
'God forbid you should be pistol whipping someone and it goes off.' Had me in stitches. Thanks for the video guys. Good fun and info as always.
"Don't dry fire without snap caps, they're cheap and easily available." ->Dry fires with no snap cap
When I visit my local gun shop for ammo, accessories, and targets, I ALWAYS carry the weapon in the original box or range bag and let the associate take the pistol out of the box (with my permission) for inspection and safety concerns. I'm truly amazed at the ignorance of some weapon owners who put others in imminent danger. Thank you for this vital information.
Classes I have taken at Sig Sauer Academy, dry firing is part of the skill building exercises they teach.
Guys... if this is intended to be for beginners.... stop using all the crazy different vocabulary without explaining it. a beginner wouldnt know. Rim, cylinder, gaul, bearing, ejecter rod and 20 other different words.
If beginners want to know what those words mean, Google and a good ole fashioned Dictionary are available.
+Roy Rogers savage
Fuck that. I'm my day we had encyclopedias... what was it 19-20 volumes?
I inherited my Encyclopedia Brittanica from Grandma. I can tear down a 1911 and a blunderbuss.
+skankhunt42 Brilliant, just fucking brilliant!
I get what these fellas are saying but surely the manufacturers of these guns would make it so that you don't have to treat them like they're made of glass
👎 No, I dont think you get what they are saying.There not made of glass so if you want to dry fire (wich you should avoid as much as possible) you may get by without damaging the weapon, but the more you do it, the more likely you will damage the weapon.
@@paulpugh2480 that's not true. Most center-fire handguns built today (like glocks) can be dry fired as much as you want with no detriment. You actually have to dry fire a glock to disassemble it
@@privateuser7Glock recommends snap caps if practicing dry firing regularly. People have literally knocked out the breechface from dry firing too much without snap caps.
One of the main objectives I always instill in any shooter is to always be aware to keep the barrel pointed in a safe direction, and keep their finger off the trigger until ready to fire on target.
...as he dry fires the LC9 twice while Eric's talking! 😂 I'm not criticizing but it was just funny as hell
I could listen to you guys talk all day. I don't think I've ever watched one of your vids without learning something...and I'm not a kid or a beginner. Sometimes you and a few others make me feel like one, though. It's a good lesson in humility to watch a good instructive video from you guys or Hickok45 or Nutnfancy or any number of others. And I love the humor from the Yankee Marshall.
I wish I could visit your shop some day, but I doubt I'm ever in that neighborhood. In any case, I really just wanted to say thanks, guys. You're doing the Lord's work.
I think this is etiquette for new guys checking brand new guns out at the store. If you haven't bought it, it makes sense to be careful with the merchandise. Otherwise, guns (especially new ones) are pretty tough. They're designed to contain EXPLOSIONS, so a little racking and slamming and dry firing are not gonna hurt much.
I've heard I can dry fire my glock all I want, actually the exact words were " at my heart's pleasure"
Appreciate the video. I'm turning 21 next week and have been researching for almost a year and going to the range trying to learn safety tips and maintenance tips etc for firearms. I love that anytime I search something on UA-cam I either see y'all or Hitch. Always great videos. Keep it up
I was taught to grab the slide from the top (don't grab it like a sling shot you got in trouble for that) pull back the slide and to let it go. This will allow the slide will slam forward guaranteeing that the weapon will chamber a new round and lock into battery. I have treated my gen 2 glock 19 this way for the last 23yrs.
3:36 - "We try to walk them through, and at least show them how to handle a firearm properly."
3:45 - Grabs P22 by positioning fingers directly in front of the muzzle, and continues to handle it with muzzle pointed at fleshy hand.
I know the guns are cleared, but that's a bad habit to have.
!!!!! Yikes. He made me want to stop watching the video right there.
Also at 1:14 he said "you don't want to crystallize your firing pins." This is incorrect terminology. Dry firing will not change the microstruture of the hardened steel firing pin. The steel pin is already "crystallized" in the sense that metals have a crystalline structure. I think he was trying to say that dry firing puts more stress or impact load on the firing pin and could cause it to crack if the heat treatment were not quite correct (insufficiently tempered or the material has residual stresses) or if the firing pin has a defect in it.
"I can fire it without looking at it" That's some solid handgun etiquette...
You know, one of the reasons I love this channel so much is because these guys actually seem human. It doesn't feel like they've practiced this a hundred and one times, they make mistakes and own up to them on camera. It just feels more person-to-person rather than some kind of documentary. Iunno, maybe it's just me.
I think this comment has aged very well! They are still making good and down to earth content and on a daily or weekly basis and this video was 7 years ago!
My first range visit in the morning. Plus my first time shooting a pistol. Haven’t even pick one up before. Nervous a bit. This was really helpful. Thanks guys
The nervousness will go away, eventually. Congrats on being a gun owner!
I lost a bit of respect for Iraqveteran8888 when I saw this video. The only guns I'd not dry fire are rim fire or side-lock double barrel shotguns. There might be more, but I don't know of them. I do know after 44 plus years in Bullseye competition and a few PPC years not to mention other types, I've seen almost everyone constantly dry firing, including me and it's part of proper order during competition after clearing your firearm. It's good etiquette. It's part of the reason folks like hickok45 constantly dry fires after clearing. It's old habit from competition days. It's what you do.
As far as crystallizing the firing pin or damaging a revolver, I really never thought I'd see such nonsense from self appointed gun gurus. Really, he needs to stay far away from old wive's tales, topics like this if he wants to maintain credibility among many long time shooters. The other guy looked a bit embarrassed by it and tried to pull the subject to rim fire, but no, he kept at it.
I remember back in the 1970's when I had the famous and now late gunsmith Bob Chow build me a couple of competition guns, he wouldn't work on them until I had at least 500 live rounds through them and 1,000 plus dry fires. Later, he sent them back with instructions for another 500 rounds live and 1,000 - 2,000 dry fires. Imagine that. I guess he didn't worry too much about crystallizing the pin. LOL
The same with the Gunnery smiths in Minneapolis while they were building my PPC revolvers. They required thousands of dry fires prior to the start of the build and in the middle of the build. I asked about snap caps because I was fairly young. One told me they were for rim-fire or novice shooters and to save my money.
Again, I like the guy and like most of the videos, but just think the old wive's tales should be left out.
Should never dry fire any firearm that doesn't belong to you! Unless you are buying or extremely serious about buying a used gun
If this was to be a video for 'beginners' I think you guys seriously missed the mark. Way too many terms a beginner would find meaningless without explanation, way too rushed, not focused.
I don't know what the term gall means luckily i'm one to research anyway. Good point.
Because google is ducking hard right? Or just looking at wat they point to. Stop babying beginners.
I so agree!! as a beginner!!
Agreed
@@codingcrusader8275 A proper informative video shouldn't require the viewer to seek outside sources...defeats the point of the video!
I'm active military and I went to shoot a few pistols I wasn't familiar with in Florida. I'm Canadian . They were some the most accommodating enthusiastic people I've ever met. God bless America.
“Safety is our number one concern” *grabs gun with hand covering barrel*....
Derek dude I saw this to, made me cringe and feel a pit in my stomach
Eric does a very good job informing us on the latest on the entire subject of guns, but some of the comments do not seem to forward that objective. Hopefully, we can make this a great learning website.
Listen to this guy...if you don't have anything positive or constructive to add, this probably isn't the place for you.
1boston has plenty of thumbs ups, what's so wrong with respectfully placed constructive criticism ? A little sensitive arnt we iraqveteran?
Lol...there's a ton of keyboard soldiers firing at y'all on this one!
LOl thats a dumb idea
Sssssssss
I thought it was a myth that letting a 1911 "slide home" would damage it? Doesn't the gun's slide already "slide home" when it fires and chambers another round? As in every single time?
***** Oh.
It is a myth. The slides gonna do that when you fire the gun anyway, doing it without the bullet is no more damaging than when firing it.
No for handguns it is damaging and not a myth when the handguns slide is released the spring in the gun has a strong amount of tension that is necessary to slide the gun forward as well as to chamber often heavy rounds of ammunition from the magazine. If you release the slide on an empty chamber without the weight of bullet to decrease the force of the slides tension then the slide will slam forward to fast with too much force and can cause damage to the mechanism of the gun over time. This is true for most of all semi auto handguns. You should never let the slide ride by pressing the slide release without a round to be chambered. If you want to return the slide to the forward position without a live round you have to hold the slide and press the slide release and more gently move the slide to its forward position while maintains grip on the slide so as to prevent it from slamming. After this you can decock the gun or dry fire the gun (which is fine for center fire handguns) to release the tension of the striker/hammer/etc. so it doesn’t remain cocked if you do not fire the gun anytime soon or leave it in storage for while. It is also just safer to decock the gun in whichever way is the best way for your gun so that the trigger is not able to be pulled and as a result cause the striker/hammer/etc. to be acted upon, upon an unexpected negligible discharge.
John Jacob you do realise how negligible the weight of a bullet is right? They weigh VERY little, not enough to significantly affect the speed of the slide. The slide is gonna slide home on empty only what, a millisecond slower than when loaded? Sure don’t use the release but that’s more just ease of control kinda thing, and because not everyone can work a factory new slide release on a gun. It’s easier to just drop the mag and pull back and let it go back that way. And I’m not even gonna get started on how guns aren’t meant to be treated like their made of glass, save for antiques and their like, and that’s due to age, a modern gun is not going to damage from u just racking the slide every once in a while. If your gun broke that easily, then you need to speak with the manufacturer cuz that gun had faulty metal.
Yes it does.
as a new gun owner at the age of 60+, I want to say thank you this and other videos that you have helped me with ownership of firearms. it has help me with handling, gun range, safety, and learning to enjoy firearms and respect them. they also help me when choosing the one's to start with and what I want to get in the future. just thanks
I noticed Chad decocked the hammer with two fingers on the sides of the hammer. I just finished my cc permit class and the instructor was very clear that you should not do that that you should use your thumb. He has seen several accidental discharges with police officers and civilians that shot themselves when the hammer slipped out of their fingers.
Makes perfect sense to me. All the hammers I see are designed to be used by the thumb. Slippery on the sides but serrated on top.
Anthony Vaughan who “decocks” a 1911 on a loaded chamber 😂😂😂
rr satx actually I know a few people who aren’t comfortable carrying a 1911 with the hammer back
@@rrsatxI agree! If you read the owners manual on any 1911 it plainly tells you it’s too dangerous and you should never lower the hammer on a chambered round and that the gun is designed to be carried either cocked and locked on safety or with an empty chamber and safety off.
Guns are designed to "slam the slide" that absolutely will not cause damage
seriously, what do they think happens when cycling? the slide slams back into position, using a tiny portion of the energy involved to chamber the next round
There's also a number of high end firearms manufacturers that say DO NOT slam the slide. Pushing a round forward is not the same as closing it on empty. Hmm...
High end 1911s are not made for it. Everyone knows that
Couple of dummies in here
Never dry fire! Then thirty seconds later he dry fires twice!
He said to never dry fire a rim fire because it would damage the firing pin as it hits metal. Then he dry fired the striker fire weapon.
Can dry fire striker fired things all you like. You dry fire pretty much anything, tbh. Just not things that are rimmed like KG said, so no Mosins, revolvers, etc.
@@TheLordNugget he actually said really any firearm which is complete bullshit but i think he ment to say rim fire atleast i hope lol
Hey guys, I am new to the handgun world and thanks to you guys I feel like I can safely learn the proper way to own, maintain and most importantly be a responsible gun owner. Thank you for your videos and the thorough way you teach and showcase guns.
I watched the whole video. At the end you brought out a great fire arm. Lc9s 9mm pro has no safety that's why I bought it. I have dry fired it. But never shot it. I heard the trigger was the best in a CCW weapon. It is a great gun. Have owned many guns. The Sig 239 in 9mm. I let the slide shut from the button many times after cleaning and oiling it. Looked over the gun many ,many times. Never seen any damage. That gun was a tank. It was hammer fired too. Also a steel frame. Let's hear from the expert's! ..Shawn
I am Glad to see you all still going. I think Berry would be pleased.
wait berry died?
Tristen Reeder like back in April. Rest his soul.
Leon Williams D:
Sorry to hear that new to the channel
RULE # 1: Never point a gun at anything that you don't want to destroy.
So I 'd suggest not putting your hand in front of the barrel like this guy does over and over.
Thank you guys... y'all are my southern neighbors - I'm up in East Point. I'm always receptive to learning about the best practices with our weapons.
I do want to mention one point here that was not mentioned. In my Kimber manual it says to NEVER ease the hammer down like that on a 1911 because it can screw up the sear. It says dry fire is safe though.
Usually I don't nitpick like this, but I feel that it is justified on a safety video.
At 3:45 Chad took the P22 from Eric by putting his hand over the muzzle. That made me unconsciously recoil a bit. Not only was the gun not safety checked before it was handed over, but Chad allowed it to muzzle his hand. Definitely a bad habit, you should not grab a handgun with your hand in front of its muzzle.
Yeah I noticed that he continually did that through the rest of the video. I don't make it a habit of putting my hand over the muzzle of a gun, especially when someone else is handling it.
Ben Aguilar And again at 4:13; Just goes to show that habits are hard to break.
Muscle memory can take over when you aren't thinking and get you into trouble.
Bear in mind that sometimes in order to demonstrate for the camera we have to hold the guns in awkward positions which can sometimes appear as being unsafe. I'll be sure to never holster my firearm again because the whole gun pointing towards China thing...lol.
***** If you are merely checking out the trigger pull, it is fine to dry fire once or twice. There is obviously no other way than to actually shoot it to feel the difference between the LC9 and LC9s triggers.
***** Hey, I really enjoyed this video. It's very educational atleast for me who rarely come in contact with handguns (I live in Sweden, practically all firearms are forbidden here:( ). I like your gun reviews aswell, and I'm wondering if I can make a request.
The Beretta 92f is the standard in the Us military if i'm not mistaken. In Sweden and in the SAS it's the Sig Sauer p226. These two guns are being used by professionals however what puzzles me is why not a lot of armies and special forces are using the Glock 17. After all it's an extreamly reliable gun, with decent accuracy. Could you perhaps make a review and comparison on these three guns? :D
Thanks for the good vids keep it up;)
I'm pretty sure by the time the gun no longer functions because of too much slamming, it would've reached the last of it's life
Centrist here, fired my first 9 mm (and any pistol for that manner) today, and it was great, smooth action and understand the responsibility of holding a firearm.
I like the double dry fire on the new Ruger towards the end of the video! lol
double dry fire, man that guys no pussy.
Dan thank you for using context to figure out wtf they meant by dry firing.
11:46 eric will scare off any unwanted vagrants off his lawn with that stare
Any gun owner is far better off consulting their owner's manual than listening to these guys' opinions.
I went to Hoover Tactical in Hoover Al and inquired about repairing the broken ejector on aP938 Sig that I purchased there.
The counter sales guy was dropping the hammer after removing the slide. Not all idiots come through the front door of a Gun Store. After that I contacted Sig directly.
Thank you for explaining the proper way to handle a revolver in front of others and in general
NUMBER 1 (ONE) rule of firearms etiquette IS and ALWAYS has been: Ask the Owner/Dealer etc before you do ANYTHING!!!!!!!
May I see it?, Do you mind if I pull the slide back? etc. etc.
Dry firing is a NoNo UNLESS you are discussing this very thing. If you plan on buying the thing you should see if you like the trigger.
It's all GOOD manners and COMMON sense.
"Do as I say and not as I do."
I sure like taking advice from people who don't follow their own.
WarriorofCathar do as I say implies you are a rookie and do not have my level of experience and knowledge to try what I do or you might hurt yourself. Therefore do as I say because you want to start safe. Mmmkay pumpkin.
After reflecting on my comment please allow your finger to generously push the digital like button on what I wrote, after all we are here to help each other and learn.
im not a soldier in any branch of the military, but i am a lover of proper etiquette and common sense.
I'm not a gun person typically but I've found your channel to be very educational and informational. I've gotten some great ideas for a speech I'm writing for my Government class. Thanks lol.
on the slide slamming forward... doesn't that do that after you fire a shot? whats the difference?
Yea, I got kind of confused. It might be because it's loading in a bullet, while racking the slide without a bullet inside could damage the internals, but I'm not sure.
Yeah I'd like an explanation as well. When I took a intro handgun course we were encouraged to let the slide go to avoid malfunctions. Are you talking loaded versus unloaded?
When you shoot the firearm it's undergoing it's firing cycle which involves stripping a round from the magazine and closing on a loaded round or snap cap. We aren't saying you can't let your firearm slam on an empty chamber, we are just making sure beginners know there is a difference. In the video, we are specifically making reference to the 1911
If anything it is slamming even harder when fired because the force of fired recoil is more than you cocking it, so I agree how could me cocking and letting it "slam" be damaging when firing it is more violent. This was very annoying. I've always read you are NOT supposed to ride a slide forward you are SUPPOSED to let is slam.
Atomic Bean they didn't explain it very well in the video. When you are chambering a round you want to let it slam to ensure the gun goes into battery. When you are cleaning your gun or something you shouldn't let it slam on an empty chamber because it puts unnecessary pressure on the parts
I never knew 1911 had so many rules. Glad i bought a glock, so simple.
The manual on mine saids it's okay to dry Fire. That's Ruger, Glock.Thank you kindly.Great videos.RIP.. Berry..🇺🇸😉
The Glock trigger "safeties" is one of the best features because it encourages trigger discipline. Also there's no manual safeties in the way, which could create a jam in stress situation, which aren't necessary, and are intrusive to conceal carry. Glocks are great because of their simplicity.
Exactly, that's why I sold my M9A1 and bought an M&P. It forces you to have a good trigger discipline and also it is an advantage under a stress tituation
First of all, I'm a long time Glock user and while I have many firearms, wouldn't rely on anything except Glock as my primary handgun. But don't understand your comment that the Glock trigger safety encourages trigger discipline. A gun without a trigger safety fires when you pull the trigger. Glock fires when you pull the trigger. I don't see any difference. The Glock Safe-Action system is about drop safety; not allowing the gun to discharge unless the trigger is pulled. I don't see how this possibly encourages trigger discipline. Not trying to be argumentative.... just want to understand your logic. I'm a long time shooter but learn something new every day.
*slowly raises hand* I know this comment is hella old, but...
SIGs almost never have external safeties unless you order them to have one. So... Does my SP2022 count? Or does having the little tooth missing out of the trigger make mine 'unsafe' now?
And just to be clear, I do know about both of these weapons. Yours and mine. Just poking fun at the GLOWK fanboy. Father owns a Gen.4 19 in 9mm. I just could never really get used to the tiny slide release, or the grip angle, or the god awful stock trigger. But I won't curse out ones that use 'em. If it works, more power to ya! I just like my SIG better, though I do hate the gen.2 grips(doesn't look as classy, and it doesn't have those exclusive SIGpro markings) and the rear two-dot night sights. I prefer the gen.1 'dot the i' sights. Also, having a de-cock is so much nicer to me. And I enjoy the fun of double-to-single action firing! Been practicing draws from the holster to firing at a paper target, and I do better with accuracy on that very first shot than the following single-action shots! Go figure.
Anyway, enjoy your Glock if you still have it! Hope it's still firing true as ever!
These guy r competing for the spotlight
I thought the same. Both insecure.
+Dodge Mustang and what u doo?
I think hes their cheer leader. 🙊
This video is a couple years old. IraqVeteran has really come into his own and put up an amazing amount of valuable content. Why do people always have to come along and make shitty comments when they don't do anything themselves that's even anywhere as good?
Welcome to the internet.
why should you avoid slamming it when you know how violent it gets when a gun cycles seriously if a gun is designed to take a cycling process like it does you really shouldn't baby it that kind of annoys me
i totaly thought by the title you guys were ganna be griping about how people do what u wouldnt do n give out opinions that is not nesisaraly what is needed to do but this is all great need to know info about handguns no opinionated gripes just pure solid info great video
***** Thank you for clarifying the "slamming" statements made in the video. I did not realize releasing the slide was bad when the chamber is empty. I always thought it was best to just let it go under either circumstance.
Why would you avoid letting the slide slam? It literally does that every time you fire a round, so the gun is designed to withstand the shock from that force. Am I missing something here?
When the slide closes after firing, it carries a bullet into the chamber, while ejecting the last shell. So when there is no round in the chamber or mag and you let the slide close freely you are applying a greater force. Does that make sense now?
+Leman Russ I see. So the assumption is that the gun is not designed to handle that extra force and could wear out the slide and springs if you do it too much. Would gun makers take that into account when designing and testing their firearms?
Yeah. It's a little bit of a slow process for any real damage to show, but it could appeared if done repeatedly over a couple years. The manufacturer designed these modern guns with very specific forces in mind. And even then they can malfunction after years of constant use. I think it's safe to say you shouldn't let the slide slam often (unless it's from unloading a spent shell after firing) just because the gun was designed to fire and not to just be "cocked, let go. Cocked, let go." Over and over again.
+Dodge Mustang please teach me what you're talking about then, rather than insulting? Would appreciate the knowledge.
+Daniel Madrid (Danny) don't get bent by what Mustang is saying. Just get yourself into a decent pistol fighting class and don't worry so much about babying that gun. These guys are talking about with how much force the slide hits when it chambers a round vs no round in the chamber. When it fires an explosion is happening... There's a lot more happening to your weapon that you just racking the slide on an empty chamber. When you're taught to clear a double feed, the last part of the procedure is rack, rack, rack (with no magazine in... no new round is getting placed on the chamber). My point is, have one constant methodology, commit it to muscle memory and don't deviate from it. You will benefit from this training and the high stress situation. TAP, RACK, BANG... IF IT GOES CLICK - TAP, RACK, BANG... CLICK AGAIN-CHANGE MAGS AND TAP, RACK, BANG. Most of you guys will never use a firearm long enough to wear things out. If you do, you'll know that you got some use out of that thing... good for you!
Can you make a video on how to start being a gun owner. First time in a gun shop, first time at the range...
I will never forget the associate at Bass Pro that looked down the barrel of a handgun before returning it to the gun case. Another face-palm moment when a gun salesman took a revolver from a gun case, opened the cylinder and spun it, and whipped the spinning cylinder back into the frame like he was re-enacting a scene from Call of Duty...
We always used to (and still do) pass a gun to another person with the slide or cylinder open. It was bad manners to do otherwise.
Great video.
Be safe.
Yea. Letting the slide go back is more forcible than a bullet exploding in the chamber. Give me a break
Theros Ng I think you are right - full force cycling is harder than dropping the slide from the stop. That makes no sense at all.
Great information!
I think it's jaw dropping how people say the sigma was a cheap gun but it was the same price as a S&W shield and I can't imagine it's a whole lot better.
Taurus makes fine guns a millennium g2 is hands down just as good as a shield. I own them both and love em. g2 12rnds and only a hair larger in size than the shield or try the 709. Ban the term "cheap gun" unless your talking about a high point or something under $200...
We dry fired the M-16A2 thousands of times at boot camp and before qualifying in the fleet. That rifle saved my life countless times in the Kunar Providence lol.
Buck Shot we did the same with our A4's...never had a malfunction
I believe not letting the slide come home on an empty chamber is kind of overkill. Think about the military and the AR platform. When done cleaning you hit the bolt release and it comes home on an empty chamber and store it. This is standard practice and almost every AR owner probably does it. PERHAPS technically this does damage the gun or WILL but you're talking the difference between a 100 year life span and a 97 year life span. I don't think you need to baby a gun as much as this.
Our old SLR's were, racked, cocked and locked 'n' dry fired so often that eventually you had weapons with knackered firing pins and you could physically move the bolt carriage in its slots. You could easily tell which ones had to be replaced as the serial numbers of the weapon did not match the bolt. They were simply worn out through continuous dry drilling. These were military rifles designed for a hard life. I doubt that civilian fire arms are built any tougher. After all they are a "consumer item" so have a design life. Why shorten it unnecessarily and even worse risk a misfire in a life and death situation?
Laurie St Lyon
Well because that was probably a long time ago and who knows when the actual guns you used were manufactured (if meant for practice, probably a while ago). Things have changed so much now that the whole firing pin group on guns is completely different. Also, I was discussing not letting the bolt slam on an empty chamber, you are advocating not dry firing. I think a lot of people will agree dry fire practice is extremely important.
Dry firing is absolutely an important part of training but the effects of it over a period of time carries a price. And by the way Blackwater... it was not THAT long ago! Cheeky young bugger! LOL!
In all seriousness, the point I was making is that the SLR's were racked three times in the unload. Each time you allowed the bolt to go fully forward without impeding it. The SLR's were all L1A2 plastic stocked versions so not exactly geriatric maybe 5-7 years old. But they still had issues over time due to the action of the action!
My point was the guys are right. In short term you get away with it but in the longer term your weapon can pay a price. If it goes wrong at the wrong time...then you can too. Anyway, hope you enjoy your shooting regardless of the "etiquette" you use.
"Dont be a tool and know it all," said Mr. Tool
Thanks for the good info. I work with rifles, lmg's and hmg's on a weekly to daily basis. Learning about pistols and revolvers is nice.
I'm not a beginner, but I still enjoy these videos.
Basic firearm safety never goes out of style
"Oh, I read a forum online and now I know everything there is to know about 1911's"
Meanwhile on UA-cam...
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Dry firing does nothing harmful to a center fire rifle or pistol.
Some guns respond better than others. Personally it's something I try not to be in the habit of. I use snap caps 99 percent of the time.
I don't think guns like AK's or AR 15's get damaged by dry firing.
Any gun that doesn't have a bolt hold open gets dry fired during normal operation when you run out of ammo.
Good video guys!!! I understand that it is a lot different handling the firearms, while talking and educating on camera. Many of these "blog commandos" who are criticizing your every move on camera, probably couldn't form a complete sentence while filming an educational video for the youtube community (They struggle completing sentences in the comment section....lol). Being in front of a camera makes a big difference!!! Thanks for all the work you have done over the years; you have definitely helped me a lot!!!
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Oh my word, don't go to these guys for some martial gun handling skills! For one thing the guy on the right loves to muzzle the crap out of his left hand... probably is one of those press check guys. And this thing about not letting the slide slam. It's a damn gun! It does that when it fires... And more! Don't get into the habit of using your hand to gently ride the slide in or you'll carry that habit over to your gun loading / reloading and you'll either not strip and round off the mag or the gun won't fully be in battery. (I'm speaking of the time when you actually need this gun to save your life and it's high stress). Train the Same way everytime! Insert the mag, tap and rack that bitch back!... And don't ride it in! Tap, rack, bang! It's a gun, not a violin!
+dodge mustang he's right, at leat with 1911's I had a brand new colt and if you didn't let it rock forward it usually would not full chamber. I didn't like racking it empty though
The safety Sallies are at it again. If you can't conclude that the safety check for a video about handgun etiquette was performed before filming to save time then I don't even know what's wrong with you.
You have a point with being in battery this goes for all semi autos hand gun or not
tim estrada you might not be able to tell, but I do believe the barrel is angled toward the camera a little as to not put it towards his hand. And unloaded it strikes the barrel directly, which is why, when it’s unloaded, you ride the barrel forward.
tim estrada i thought the same thing but what he means is dont let the slide ride forward when its unloaded as its not stripping a round off. The dry fire is only rim fire been told that centerfire its ok.
I really appreciate your video but I am going to slam my S&W 40 cal M&P...
You do that, no real need to do so but hey, it's your gun, as for me I will treat my gun as best I can and only let it ride home when chambering a round.
I agree with most of what your saying like the revolver part and dry firing .22 but racking the slide on an empty chamber is fine. Guns are tough and made to be tough I have never heard of a gun being messed up because of that
The old fella at the gun shop was showing me how to strip a 1911 and said "be careful not to do an idiot scratch" as he then proceeded to scratch my new 1911 lmao. I ain't mad though he's a pretty chill guy and the scratch isn't super visible
would you say you know more than the people who build firearms, I have firearms that says in the manual to load the firearm release the hold back tab and let the rail slam shut --Cannick55 is one of them
That's if your loading a round, not if your just playing around with the gun, you should only let the slide slam forward to chamber a round, which is what the manufacturer you stated rightly suggested doing, they did not however state slamming the slide is what you should do when not chambering a round.
These guys never said not to let the gun slam shut if your loading a round..
+Sasmodog I wish I had read this before I asked my question. I ask your indulgence and pardon. Thanks.
...I work in a gun store and I know everything. uhhh
Just a general request for future videos: If you mention something go ahead and follow up on it right there. For instance when you mentioned snap caps go ahead and grab a box and show people what they are, explain what a striker fired pistol is and why you like them.
I am not as experienced as you guys and am more apt to just google stuff if I have a question but some of your fans might not be.
I learned more reading comments here for 5 minutes than the 16 minute video
Is the action of slamming the slide home not the same process as happens when firing? Or are you guys saying that because of the feeding process the slam is softer when chambering?
+JustifyJustin As far as I know, 'riding the slide forward' is what you don't want to do as it can cause a feeding malfunction. When I load my 1911, I have always pulled the slide back and let the spring move the slide forward, that's how it's made to function. The 1911 was made as a military sidearm and was 'made for abuse'... Now, there may be more modern versions of the 1911 design that may not like to be handled this way. I don't believe that the normal auto loading or battery phase of function on automatic pistols is any different from pulling the slide back and releasing it manually. I would say though that if you are going to a gun shop and shopping for pistols that you may want to handle the pistols gingerly since you haven't yet bought the gun.* Ok, I see what they're saying as I watched through the vid... What they are saying is that you don't want the slide to slam forward on an empty chamber. Well, I think that makes sense to me.
JustifyJustin they mean when its unloaded
Can you guys do a video on some handguns that can properly cycle the typically cheap ammo out there, such as the Wolf and Bear ammo? I was at the range not wanting to waste good ammo in my Taurus TCP the other day and I used Silver Bear and was getting constant failures to feed and a ton of hand primer strikes.
Glock & M&P will take all the cheap ammo you can load into it.
My $300 Ruger P95 eats all the cheap ammo perfectly.
Springfield XD as well.
Should have said .380's. Kinda interested in that since it's such a light caliber.
As far as .380 probably a glock 42 would be the most reliable but even it has issues with specific ammos. I know my dad's Bersa ThunderCC was a very inconsistent performer. Personally from what I've seen of .380 firearms I'd steer clear of them altogether if reliability was my top priority.
Truly appreciate Revolvers...old school firearm. Simplicity. Like my Ruger GP100. Model number 1715. Three inch barrel. 357 Magnum. Incredible chunk of American Steel!
I liked how u paused to test the trigger on the ruger I tried it out Saturday what a great trigger they came out with
Man, a lot of other people say to dry fire as much as you want. I really wish I knew what the hell to do. I need a straight up answer.
Dry firing will not break your gun, as long as it is a fairly modern firearm, not a 100 year old antique with more delicate parts. Dry firing allows the practice of trigger control which will make you a better shooter. But, if you are going to dry fire, it is recommended to use snap caps so that not as much stress is put on the firing pin. But if a gun were to break simply because it was dry fired, then I wouldn't trust it to fire live rounds.
This channel made a video several months ago contradicting everything they said in this video. I don't take much stock in what they say anymore. I learned more from Barry and wish he was still on the channel, the videos went downhill after he left.
On any modern centerfire gun, I have no issues with dry firing. Parts are very cheap and prevalent if you somehow break a firing pin or a striker. The chances of that happening are so slim that it's not even worth worrying about. Snap caps are a good idea if you're a little nervous about it, plus they allow you to function check the gun after cleaning or modifying. Get some snap caps and an extra firing pin/striker and dry fire away.
You can dry fire your handguns all you want. It is looked frowned upon when you dry fire someone's or store merchant's handguns. Usually they will say Yes when you ask. It is one of those "etiquette".
Don't dry fire if at all posable!
Also, Jesus Christ These May as well be tips on how to own a firearm with the intention of not actually shooting it and keeping it in brand new condidtion...
that's not really unheard of
I've always heard if your gun is properly lubricanted it doesn't hurt it to dry fire it. Also all my classes I have taken taught me to rack the gun hard
I recently read an account from a guy who placed a round in the chamber of his Tokarev TT33 before letting the slide slam forwards without a magazine fitted. The gun fired the round into his bench, thankfully not injuring anyone. I would summise the reason for this is a combination of the weight of the firing pin and the firing pin spring weakening over time allowing the inertia of the slide slamming forwards causing the firing pin inertia to overcome the spring pressure and detonate the primer.
I would have thought this issue could affect many older semi auto pistols due to the weakening of the firing pin springs which will shorten over time through repeated compression.
It's something to be aware of, folks
well apparently practice doesn't make perfection. you have to do all of that to practice, and practice makes perfect. if practicing tears a gun up get a different gun. oh and yes using a gun will scratch it so don't abuse the gun buts not a Barbi doll it's a gun. a tool for defending your life. practice practice practic. when it wears out get a new one.
oh and practice safely
Great information! Thanks!
Thank You, I put up a You Tube video on the trigger and slide of a CPX-2 SCCY and how you should not snap closed the slide. I wasn't sure about other guns, but now I know it is for all pistols.
it's good when you guys correct each other. ...I ask for friends and fam to correct me as much as I do to them...newbie or not...
Do you think that slide doesn't slam home when you fire the pistol? That is terrible advice. You are supposed to let it slam home so that you are sure that your gun is battery.
Dodge Mustang it absolutely DOES slam forward as hard as possible after the slide is forced back at full speed by the explosion of the round. The slide goes all the way back and slams forward wherein it strips off the round and drives the round into the chamber and goes into battery with the force of the recoil spring.
holy shit, you're dumb... I see you on here insulting literally everyone. if it doesnt slam..... then HOW does the pistol chamber a new round????
Many people are like me and can't stand the horrawful grip angle on the Glocks. If they'd make a 1911 style grip angled gun, they'd own the world.
Its because you have probably put only a few rounds through one. After a day of shooting a Glock it becomes a non-issue. To me, the 1911 has the "wrong" angle because I practice with my Glock more.
I had a Sig before I owned a Glock and the angel was different but nothing a little training cant solve. Plus, every time I hear that the angel is bad I always think how that sentence sounds like, " I can drive a Chevy truck good, but I cant drive a Ford", it nearly the same thing.
AnAngryBlack You had to be taught OUT of the 1911 grip. It wasn't natural. 90% of people will point a Glock at a 45 degree angle above their target when holding one. It isn't a natural angle for the majority of people, but, if you like it, go for it.
***** That's Glock's genius marketing. They give HUGE discounts to LE, then use that in their marketing to the civilian market, saying how many PDs use Glocks. BRILLIANT!!
***** I was sort of shocked when I felt and held a polymer frame/shell, when all the internals were subsequently removed. It's was extremely light. As well as, felt like something a toy was made out of. However, the plastic (polymer) frames appear to be the wave of the future. I wish some of these brand name manufactures. Would at least offer their polymer frame guns in an Aluminum frame too. Sure it might be a bit more expensive and a bit heavier. If this option (Aluminum Frame) was offered on Glock, S&W, FN et al. I would definitely go the aluminum route.
Apparently you seem to like the .45 caliber. Have you ever tried the FN-X in .45? It's a full size gun and holds 15 rounds. I can tell you that the FN-X in 9mm works great. In fact I like the FN-X much better than any Glock. Seems FN doesn't get it's fair share of recognition as the Glock, Smith or Springfield XDS models. What drew me too the FNX, was it's an ambi gun and I'm a lefty. As well as, I too prefer a DA/SA gun with a hammer. Over a DAO, striker fire. The S&W M&P line was a close second. However, it was a DAO gun. I do have the M&P(C) and like it better than the Shield. Because the M&P (Compact) hold 12 rounds opposed to 7 rds in the 9mm caliber. I don't mind if the compact version is a bit thicker and heavier. It's not that huge of a difference. Currently, my FN-X (9mm) is my EDC. The Shield is by the night stand. Have some brands I rare use as my EDC. I do like Sigs, but the decocker is in the worse spot for a lefty shooter. Wish the would change that. Not an H&K fan at ALL. Those guns are "Over-Hyped/Rated" & "Way Over Priced" too.
Man I love these older videos! Makes me feel at home or something 😏
Really enjoyed your perspectives on Saftey and handling procedures. Really can't ever stop learning, your video is not just for beginners but a good reminder for all firearm enthusiasts! Thanks for your informative delivery, you guys are great!! Keep up the good work!!
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Handgun Etiquette for Beginners: Never point any firearm on anything you don't intend to destroy... You'll probably checked the firearm prior to making this video, but then again Treat all firearms as if they are loaded... LMAO
Ya, thats way worse than shooting someone else. fucking idiot
Thanks guys, good to know i’ve been handling and loading my revolver like a jackwagon for years. Will try that way asap. Looks much better. Keep up the good work.
Thank you, I was not aware of slide slamming. I would just load the magazine and engage the slide to close.