If you were to take the drive that's under the top M.2 slot out and move it to one of the other ones, you'd get the x8 lanes back. That's because the top one is wired to the CPU to support Gen5 drives and steals 4 lanes from the 16 for the GPU.
I was going to say the exact same thing. Phil needs those lanes for the GPU more, plus they bought gen4 drives anyway so they don't need the gen 5 slot.
So I have the z790 tomahawk with a 12gb 3080ti. I have the m.2 plugged in on the top slot above the gpu. Should I change this or is it just an issue when running the 4090 which has double the vram?
Of course you wouldn't have this problem with an AMD AM5 platform as it has dedicated CPU PCIe 5.0 lanes for M.2. And once you want/get a Gen 5 M.2 drive you'll really wish you were on AM5. 😉
The Torrent has a GPU anti-sag bracket in the box of accessories - it`s quite nicely done. And what the guys said below about the PCIe lanes - RTFM and figure out what M.2 slots give you back the 16 lanes for the GPU.
@@NCC-1664 a slightly longer process of booting, my pc does has the option for it on. dont know if its ddr5 specific or in general depending on bios settings and cpu. its a boot process that ensures stability and good connection between your ram and cpu before completing the boot up. its useful to prevent potential crashes which im sure are rare anyways, its mostly useful when using expo settings or "overclocking" your ram etc etc. there could be more to it but thats what i know about it
Hope we get a follow up video with the performance benchmarks and temps. I would love to see how well the system does air cooling the components as well as the real world performance tradeoff between using 3x SSDs vs 1 or 2.
It has most likely only dropped it to an 8x because you populated that top nvme slot. it shares lanes with the pcie slot. if you dont have a gen 5 drive you should put that drive in another slot and you will get the full 16x bandwidth out of your pcie slot.
That and I don't know why 3x smaller NVME drives is needed, just go 2x 8TB ones or something. They're expensive, but if that much capacity is needed for quick ingesting footage it's a business cost
@@evanractivand The 3rd drive is very very useful in an editing rig. Since he is editing from a 2 TB drive, it would not be smart to put video editor cache (for either Premiere or Resolve) on the same drive as it would lower the performance and shorten the lifespan of the drive. And the boot drive is not good for cache for the same reason. This is the perfect editing setup.
@@Xenoch1 because it is so much more expensive to run a ZFS pool considering you need to now invest into tons of storage AND you also need to bear insanely loud fans to cool all the drives having a local editing machine is cost effective since large pools are only worth if you have like 10+ people accessing said archive
I've been meaning to pick up the paid version for mixed GPU rendering. might as well make use of my GPUs that aren't totally obsolete to reduce render times.
You'd think with the cashflow adobe has that they could improve their render engine. But just like Pro Tools, they sat on their butts thinking they were at the top too long. Then they act surprised when another company swoops in and starts taking their users.
@@AlexRubio My friend still uses the adobe suite on the monthly sub plan for his indie studio but is switching to Resolve after this current project wraps.
I would be worry to run this 4090 without a sag bracket. KrisFix-Germany videos often point out problem with sag; it can crack the pcd near the PCI pins or put pressure on VRAM chips and break the soldering.
Sag should not be a thing. It's simply a matter of cheaping out on the design. When your card is already the most expensive it should be a crime... My 6800xt which is the heaviest card I have ever owned does not sag. The back plate can support all of the cards weight................
Yeah, I actually went with the gigabyte 4090 as performance wise they are MOSTLY the same and it's their overclocking potentials which vary. The sag bracket for the gigabyte oc got a lotta praise. My motherboard actually comes with reinforced slots. At least they're paying attention to how heavy these things are becoming. The card is an absolute monster.
Yay, Indiana! We had a Fry's Electronics that closed years ago. I'm happy to have a Micro Center coming to the state. While I enjoy using online retailers, I would much rather support a brick and mortar business :D
As someone who set up a Fractal Design Torrent system a few months ago, I've already come to appreciate just how easy the dust filters are to work with. I'm in a pretty dusty house, so I've cleaned them out a couple of times already - not because it was clogged but because I could see in and "oh hey, there's dust, and it's a 5 minute job to pull the front off and slide out the bottom filter and vacuum both. As filter systems go, it's ease of access is definitely top tier compared to what I've worked with in the past, and it's really nice not seeing dust collect on the outlets like my old computer which is half-dead thanks to dust buildup cooking the cpu a bit too much. That suggests to me it's actually *catching* the dust, which the old case failed to do. Of course, this is coming from someone who just replaced a 9 year old computer, so this could be merely average dust filtering performance by today's standards. Regardless, I hope it serves you well. And, totally biased opinion here, but the build looks great. Much better than mine, which is rather dwarfed by the case. (I splurged on a really good airflow case when I could get one so that I can use it for future builds; my current hardware is substantially more modest, and correspondingly is proportionally dwarfed by the vast void that is the interior of the Torrent.)
Jay: Buys WD drive with heatsink and complains about heatsink Western Digital: We do offer a version without a heatsink, and its cheaper... Nice to see the comment in the edit! Love the editing work your guys do!
Yeah they shouldn’t’ve bought the heat sink models if they knew they were gonna use the mobo heat spreader, but maybe they didn’t have heat sink-less 1TB models in stock. I got the same drives, and my mobo doesn’t have a heat spreader, but the M.2 slots are so close together the heat sinks are too wide and don’t fit. The complaint/problem is that it’s not removable like all other M.2 heat sinks.
I have 10 years working as an Assistant Editor. I’ve worked in reality tv nearly all of the entire time. We almost universally work in proxy offline media. Why don’t you guys transcode to proxy for editing and then Uprez at the end? DaVinci is pretty kind when making proxies and relinking/exporting. Doing so wouldn’t add tooo much time and you’d be able to continue using the old system.
The M.2 drives with the attached heat spreaders are for the mobos that are cheaper and do not have heat spreaders already on the boards as well as game consoles like the PS5 which do not have a head spreader for expanded storage so the drive needs to have its own.
I wonder what format you are using. The FX6 does support XAVC-L and the bitrate can go as low as 60mbps at 4K30p, so you could use that as you transition. What I think is the culprit is just Premiere will have some issues with Sony's XAVC containers and there is a bug that will cause it to use as much RAM as you have, completely ignoring the memory settings. The worst part is that it's so random. You can start the project without any issues but you can save and open it up again and the issue suddenly appears and now will never go away. So fuck Adobe.
heavily depending on how you setup files and the pipeline you work in and the grade of post production. 98% of editors use proxies so the fileformat on the timeline doesnt matter anyways. the ram usage usually comes from after effects motion design for example in combination with premiere pro.
@@BeastyBite We don’t use AE on a majority of our projects, or not through dynamic link anyways. We do use proxies and on my pc, media cache and storage is setup specifically how premiere likes it. High RAM usage is pretty random. Doesn’t happen often but when it does it can come to the point where I have to look through the autosaves because I can’t proceed at all anymore. Doing all this is optional on Resolve and I’m so happy to have switched to it. Resolve still uses a lot of RAM, at least 32gb is recommended, but I’ve never had it to the point of critical failure when all I had was 16gb of RAM (WFH transition is tough when your PC was meant for just gaming) Edit: I should say that I use resolve for my own projects. When I’m working for my company, I use premiere because the main editor uses premiere. I usually don’t edit for them but I’ll take it on if there’s just too many projects going on.
I'd be curious to see a side-by-side of the editing performance between the two systems. Also, PNW Microcenter? I'm in Portland, but even one in Seattle would still be really nice, and seems like a place with high demand for such a store.
Same here. There's very little solid info on what really affects editing performance. All people measure is export time which IMO isn't that important (who cares if your video exports in 8min vs 13min). Most of the time in editing is spent cutting and playing back clips, grading, etc, saving a few minutes for export is insignificant. Also big files are not always the hardest to edit on. Prores 422 is big but playsback easy. More important I think is how smoothly h265 type file play back, forwards and backwards.
I also moved from PP CS6 to DVR18 and the difference is phenomenal. There is SO MUCH MORE you can do inside of DVR18 like with Fusion (that's one hell of a rabbit hole), but really it can be as easy or as complex as you like.
So you are surprised that moving from a 10+ year old unsupported version of a program to a program with all the optimizations for modern hardware is a huge difference? That’s the same thing as comparing a Model T to the latest Porsche.
Jay or Phil, or Nick take a look at the motherboard manual for the PCIE lane distribution, there should be a setup option for the amount of drives you have to not loose the lanes that you did with the current setup. ALSO, Jay or Phil, or Nick, pick up the 4090 box again. The Gigabyte card should have a very decent sag bracket that is attached to the motherboard mounting screws and supports the card very robustly, as opposed to a 3d printed one.
Heck yea @Phil YOU HAVE THE ABSOLUTE BEST MONTAGES AND PRODUCTION! YOU DESERVE IT BRO! The entire crew seems to very “good at what they do” for lack of better wording! 😂
I would really like to see Phil put up a video after going through davinci resolve. It would be nice to see some of the things you can do with it and what your team is losing from premiere. I don't have the money for a Adobe subscription and would like to learn Resolve's premiere like features. Great Build by the way.
There really isn’t much difference between the free and paid versions so it’s well worth some test runs with the free. There’s a fair few videos and tutorials out there too.
@@martinsmallridge4025 Most of the GPU acceleration is locked behind studio but it's still worth learning resolve from the free version. By the time you are editing footage where hardware acceleration will make a huge difference hopefully the $300 for resolve will be a non issue.
Objectively, the build is amazing and will make a great 2023 editing rig, kudos! 👏 As a 3970x user I don't understand why you didn't just upgrade the ram to 128 or even 256GB. You won't get the PCIE Lane bottleneck on TRX40 platform either. I mean, that wouldn't make as fascinating of a video, but I feel like you've painted the 13900k with 128GB of ram as an upgrade to a TR system with 64GB, where you can easily upgrade the TR system and get better results than what you had previously without a complete rebuild.
I know that I'm a year late but in around 2017-2018 when I lived in Indy, I remember going to a Micro Center to start upgrading my PC, but I believe it wasn't the new one they had built on 86th it was more north from that. Either way I was so happy that there was a Micro Center and being able to go to one and buy parts to build a new system.
You guys all make such a good team. The new camera looks great and I'm sure Phil is super excited for his upgrade! Love your videos like this, where it's just kind of a spur of the moment thing
Absolutely LOVE my Fractal Torrent! Pro Tip: Take the filter out of the front for more airflow. (You'll have to clean the innards about once a month!) Pro Tip #2: There is a GPU sag bracket included with the case. No need to print one.
even the NVMEs without heatsinks, if you REALLY need it, you can buy an add-on heatsink for a few bucks and it can be removed easily afterwards. it's what i did for my ps5
I'll never forget back in the day when I built a first gen Ryzen system with a 1700 and a 1080ti. Mainly for streaming, but I figured it would better for editing in premiere as well. it wasn't lol tried Resolve 12, saw how much better it was at multithreaded work and utilizing my gpu, and I haven't gone back to premiere since. good on y'all for giving it a go!
@@andrewk8636 I can get how it might seem that way, but I generally do appreciate adobe and all that their software brings to the table. Premiere Pro is built on their oldest code base, so if they took a year to rewrite it from the ground up to take advantage of newer systems and lighter weight code, I'm sure they could be top dog again but sadly, and maybe for the benefit of everyone else, I don't think they'll do that.
You don't need a beastly computer to run DaVinci Resolve. I edit 4k videos with high bitrate on a 1080ti by using proxy and cutting the proxy resolution in half while editing. Then convert back to full resolution before exporting.
I personally have a 2TB WD SN850 with heatsink for in my PS5. I've been using it ever since it was supported on PS5 and it's still working great! I love this drive! Sadly enough they don't have the 4TB available anymore. Because i would've bought that one!
I did some research, and found out that there is (potentially) a Micro Center coming to Miami, Florida. Mall of America has it listed as development on their site, and Micro Center hasn't officially confirmed it. However, a Reddit user said they talked to the building manager and speculated that it should be opening December 2023 - Summer 2024. So I'm excited for that.
As someone living in Jacksonville, this pains me. I was really hoping if they opened a store in FL it would be in Orlando - don't get me wrong I absolutely despise Orlando traffic, but it's far more centrally located than Miami is. Honestly, it seems like a lost opportunity to me. UNFORTUNATELY, Jacksonville is closer to Atlanta(~5h15m) than Miami (~6h), and a 5+ hour drive is just not worth it to go to a PC store. So, sadly, it's still out of reach for me if they do indeed decide to go to Miami. Orlando is ~3.5h from Miami, Tallahassee is a few minutes farther, 2h from Jacksonville & Tampa, and a few minutes less from Gainesville. It just makes more sense to me as someone who has lived here most of his life.
That reddit post is old. It's not cost efficient for Micro Center to open a store in Miami because of high leasing space/rent, high distribution/shipping cost. Miami are in the same situation as Seattle. It's EASY for Micro Center to open a store in Indy because it's cheaper to lease out a space, cheap delivery cost, and the corporate office is almost 3 hours away in Hillard, OH for a short run for in house delivery. There are no short delivery runs to Miami or Seattle.
i've got 2 WD Black SN 770's and i have had no issues at all with them. though, pretty dumb to glue the drive to that bracket when most people who DIY will remove the heatsink to use the mobo heat spreaders...had fun in this one! thanks for the great content!!
I'll be about 4 miles from the new MC in Indianapolis. We lost frys a couple years ago, so immediate fixes for failures pretty much stopped. I'm excited they are coming and the kid is already planning on a new build
I am actually surprised you went with 1tb drives, usually larger capacity are a lot faster and drives are one of the most common bottlenecks. Since the budget for this was basically... unlimited (4090 for the ram lol :P ) I was expecting at least 2tb on all drives :D
@@TarianJEDTech context mate... unlimited budget = when you buy a 4090 for its ram speed/capacity spending a bit more for faster disks =/= literally unlimited budget where you buy a server for rendering
both the 1tb and the faster gen4 ssds top out around 7.3ish gb per second. so since 7.3 == 7.3, going for larger drives doesnt make a difference. (unless you go gen 5 drives)
Thanks for that random tech tip. I've been looking at WD 850x drives for a while, and wondered if the premium was worth it for the heatsink drive. Think I'll just buy the non heatsink version and apply an aftermarket heat spreader to it for the PS5.
I have the WD black with heatsink for my PS5 and it fits perfectly. If I remember correctly, it was one of the first NVMe M.2 SSDs that was deemed officially compatible with the PS5.
You can actually run 4 sticks of memory using XMP on motherboards with Z790 chips. Intel 13th gen supports a max 5600 that is not considered overclocking so installing 4 memory sticks with speeds equal to 5600 (or 5200 for that matter) will successfully boot using XMP profile. Make sure you're on the latest firmware. Asus motherboards with their latest bios update have finally addressed this matter last month. Z690 motherboards will also receive a bios update to address this very soon.
I got some kingston Fury beast DDR5 - I can run 128GB 4 sticks at 5600 with no issues on an Asus ProArt z790 creator wifi. I can run it at 6000 but I get blue screens still. On the latest BIOS so hoping I can move up to 6000 in future.
@@leevfx he literally said it will be fine up to 5600 . And u literally just also said you can boot up with 5600 speed with no problem. I have no clue what was that " no it won't" comment of yours 😐😂
@@arian_s_collection I think you replied to the wrong person. I never said it “no it won’t” I was confirming it does with my brand of ram and mobo. I’m being helpful
PSA: You DONT have to use the included screw driver to mount the cooler. Any screw driver you have that fits the holes and has the required length and correct drive will work.
nice build! Hey Jay, i live in Indianapolis. I am crazy excited about microcenter opening this summer. it will be 25 minutes from home. the closest MC now is sharonville OH, about 1 hr 45 minute drive. Frys closed in 2021 and the only choice is BB or amazon. cant wait.
Hey Jay I have also seen tests done on the torrent that show that the exhaust fan actually hurts cpu temps that its better to just let the positive pressure escape unassisted by any rear fans. might be something interesting to test. And also the torrent comes with an anti sag bracket!
Yep that's correct Jay, I've lived in Indianapolis my whole life, we used to have a Frys electronics but they closed about 2 years ago, besides bestbuy there isn't anything around, so I drove to microcenter in Ohio and made the comment that i wished we had one here in indy, he told me the good news, I went nuts! Finally we are getting our own Microcenter here in Indianapolis, can't freaking wait!
If you guys just needed the 24GB of VRAM, why didn't you go with the 7900xtx instead of the 4090? Is there a specific reason to that or did you just not think about it? :) Great Video btw, just as usual :) I hope Phil is going to max his skills out with resolve :D
Linus sort of already did when Jay redid his server. In fact, all Linus did is told him "[[he's]] smart enough to build [[his]] own s*. Here's an Unraid key."
Questions for you Jay?? 1. Why did you choose to use a single SSD for the scratch disk rather than using two of them in RAID 1 pair? Your scratch drive(s) are going to get far more writes than your OS drive or your 2TB intial storage drive? 2. Why did you buy the SSDs from the same manufacturer? I thought the advice was to use different manufacturers for SSDs & Hard Drives because that way the SSDs will fail to "Read only" at different points in time. 3. Wendell from Level 1 techs is recommending using ex-enterpise Intel/micron storage that's not as fast as RAM but a lot faster than SSD as the scratch space for editing? 4. Do you use Tape for your long term storage?
That Dark Rock Pro 4 might not be the best choice for an air cooler. Have you tried the Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120? Might give higher CPU speeds when the CPU thermal throttles during rendering 😁😁
13:50 Probably because most NVME MFGs are advertising the included-heatsink drives as PS5 compatible, which needs the heatsink so it doesn't overheat inside the console.
Jay im happy to see you using my favorite mobo manufacturer I just update to an all AM5 build ryzen 7 7700x with a 7900 XT and i have a Aorus x670E and i love it worked great
You basically built my video editing rig, other than brands. Works freaking GREAT in Premiere, Photoshop and Illustrator (and pretty dang solid for Resolve and After Effects). Games decent too LOL but like, I'd freaking HOPE SO for what it cost.
i've recently started watching and find i LOVE the teams sense of humour. I've been trying to find some guides on Building a PC for Production (Audio/Video) etc, but doesn't have to be TOP END, home studio which i've done my entire life and have lived comfortably with an i7 7500 laptop now for the past 5 years... recently though as plugins become more demanding I'm seeing my CPU taking its toll. (It being Dual Core, 4 threads). So... I have my eyes on a Ryzen 4600G (and perhaps having the flexibility to later upgrade to an 8core), no need for a discrete gaming video card, and a B550 Motherboard. I was hoping perhaps to see a "Mid Levelled" pc Build with a bit of upgradability for my kind of work. Love the content! All the best guys.
For anyone that's interested, a Corsair 1000 shift PSU does fit in this case. I'm running almost this exact rig and it's fine. Don't screw the PSU in until you have all the cables plugged into the PSU. You will need to move the PSU around a bit when doing the install.
Indianapolis is getting a Micocenter!! 🥳We haven't had anything like it since Frye's went away. I've got to start saving and planning on what components I'm going to splurge on and for whom's system will the components go! June will come quickly.
Hey Jay, the ones with heatsinks are for non premium motherboards, old motherboards and PS5s. You already know you should’ve bought the ones without a heatsink
Nice to see an editing rig get built. Built mine a little more than a year ago for photoshop / lightroom. MSI z690 pro ddr4 mobo. / i7-12700KF / G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB (2 x 32GB) 4000MHz - 2 kits for 128GB / MSI RTX 3060 Ventus 2x 12GB. Originally went with a Thermaltake TOUGHAIR 510 180W air cooler, which didn't cool well enough, swapped that for the ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240. Just upgraded storage: OS drive - 980 Pro 1TB / (2) 980 Pro 2TB in the PCIE 4 slots / 1 970 EVO Plus 2TB in the PCIE 3 slot. If I were to do it differently, I would look for memory with a faster base speed, since I learned - from you - that I can't enable XMP with 4 sticks. So I'm stuck right now with 2666 MHz until they update the bios to handle 4 sticks with XMP, or I decide 2666 just isn't fast enough. Wondering were I to pull 2 sticks and go with 64GB, if XMP would work.....
The first four parts in description is what I picked up for my gaming build not too long ago. I’ve been wondering why I couldn’t run XMP with 128gb RAM with four RAM chips. I’d want to do XMP at some point but it is what it is. I shop at the micro center at Fairfax. Dope video.
The instant I saw the WD Blacks I knew he was going to run into the same issue I did. The best way I found was to use the ifixit adhesive remover, just bend it up enough to create a space and then apply the adhesive remover to sit for a few minutes. The glue is nice and gooey and easily removed.
I got the Corsair Shift and I love the idea with the plugs being on the side, such a simple but awesome change. I was worried about clerance but it worked out just fine with my Fractal Design Define R6.
Just completed a build with everything WD, Corsair (including 64 GB DDR-6000), 13700K, Gigabyte board/GPU and it's fantastic (upgraded from an aging 6700K w. a 3080 ti).
Hey hey a sponsor spot that's actually relevant; I'm running their AIR-100 ARGB and I quite like the case. Clean, minimal, no gimmicks, tons of room even for a small case, and abundant venting.
Just as a side note, try Intelligent Standby List Cleaner! Chances are the RAM is cached to max capacity, and that software can absolutely clear it out and fix that issue!
Just an idea but I think that because the PS5 storage expansion slot requires an M.2 with heat sink is why they are putting them on those more frequently now
If you were to take the drive that's under the top M.2 slot out and move it to one of the other ones, you'd get the x8 lanes back. That's because the top one is wired to the CPU to support Gen5 drives and steals 4 lanes from the 16 for the GPU.
I was going to say the exact same thing. Phil needs those lanes for the GPU more, plus they bought gen4 drives anyway so they don't need the gen 5 slot.
Surprised Jay didn’t configure the drives this way.
Thought the same thing. There's an RTFM joke in there somewhere.
So I have the z790 tomahawk with a 12gb 3080ti. I have the m.2 plugged in on the top slot above the gpu. Should I change this or is it just an issue when running the 4090 which has double the vram?
Of course you wouldn't have this problem with an AMD AM5 platform as it has dedicated CPU PCIe 5.0 lanes for M.2. And once you want/get a Gen 5 M.2 drive you'll really wish you were on AM5. 😉
Ask them to come to the UK please we need a micro centre here!
The Torrent has a GPU anti-sag bracket in the box of accessories - it`s quite nicely done. And what the guys said below about the PCIe lanes - RTFM and figure out what M.2 slots give you back the 16 lanes for the GPU.
you thought they have plenty of pc power and now it still in not enough so more power is still required🤣
@@raven4k998 Ok
The Aero 4090 also comes with an anti-sag bracket in the box.
@@jimmyvau oh common don't you like a saggy gpu?🤣
Boggles my mind how he didn't notice that. It's such a good feature of the Torrent and pretty much a must be in any future case designs for me.
22:35. Something about hearing "thats a good sign" in a light voice just for it to transition to "17 memory training reboots later" just killed me💀
what is a memory training reboot? lol
@@NCC-1664 a slightly longer process of booting, my pc does has the option for it on. dont know if its ddr5 specific or in general depending on bios settings and cpu. its a boot process that ensures stability and good connection between your ram and cpu before completing the boot up. its useful to prevent potential crashes which im sure are rare anyways, its mostly useful when using expo settings or "overclocking" your ram etc etc. there could be more to it but thats what i know about it
Hope we get a follow up video with the performance benchmarks and temps. I would love to see how well the system does air cooling the components as well as the real world performance tradeoff between using 3x SSDs vs 1 or 2.
Yeah, specially because DaVinci resolve is pretty cpu intensive for some tasks and does some nice multithreading.
really would like to see this video.
I would love a Micro Center in the UK 😭
It has most likely only dropped it to an 8x because you populated that top nvme slot. it shares lanes with the pcie slot. if you dont have a gen 5 drive you should put that drive in another slot and you will get the full 16x bandwidth out of your pcie slot.
That and I don't know why 3x smaller NVME drives is needed, just go 2x 8TB ones or something. They're expensive, but if that much capacity is needed for quick ingesting footage it's a business cost
@@evanractivand The 3rd drive is very very useful in an editing rig. Since he is editing from a 2 TB drive, it would not be smart to put video editor cache (for either Premiere or Resolve) on the same drive as it would lower the performance and shorten the lifespan of the drive. And the boot drive is not good for cache for the same reason. This is the perfect editing setup.
But why not set up an SSD zfs pool, a couple 25gb NICs and edit off the network. More stable and maybe even quicker
@@zzaretube You could partition one drive to be 2.
@@Xenoch1 because it is so much more expensive to run a ZFS pool considering you need to now invest into tons of storage AND you also need to bear insanely loud fans to cool all the drives
having a local editing machine is cost effective since large pools are only worth if you have like 10+ people accessing said archive
Keep up the great work Phil, now even faster also to your convenience! You guys all do a great job over there. Thanks for all your work!
I've been solely DaVinci Resolve, and I am very excited to see what someone with Phil's talents can do with it.
I've been meaning to pick up the paid version for mixed GPU rendering. might as well make use of my GPUs that aren't totally obsolete to reduce render times.
@@catalystguitarguy And you only have to pay for it once :) I'm so happy to see people going to the much better all in one editing software
You'd think with the cashflow adobe has that they could improve their render engine. But just like Pro Tools, they sat on their butts thinking they were at the top too long. Then they act surprised when another company swoops in and starts taking their users.
He uses Adobe cuz he's used to it. In my opinion DaVinci is much better than Adobe premiere.
@@AlexRubio My friend still uses the adobe suite on the monthly sub plan for his indie studio but is switching to Resolve after this current project wraps.
7:51 divine Jay
I run an Aero 4080. That 4090 as well as the card I have came with a great anti sag bracket in the box. You can see it at 10:09. Works really well.
I would be worry to run this 4090 without a sag bracket. KrisFix-Germany videos often point out problem with sag; it can crack the pcd near the PCI pins or put pressure on VRAM chips and break the soldering.
Sag should not be a thing. It's simply a matter of cheaping out on the design. When your card is already the most expensive it should be a crime... My 6800xt which is the heaviest card I have ever owned does not sag. The back plate can support all of the cards weight................
Yeah, I actually went with the gigabyte 4090 as performance wise they are MOSTLY the same and it's their overclocking potentials which vary. The sag bracket for the gigabyte oc got a lotta praise. My motherboard actually comes with reinforced slots. At least they're paying attention to how heavy these things are becoming. The card is an absolute monster.
Microcenter would clean up in the uk, there’s 0 competition like at all
Yay, Indiana! We had a Fry's Electronics that closed years ago. I'm happy to have a Micro Center coming to the state. While I enjoy using online retailers, I would much rather support a brick and mortar business :D
The last time I went to Fry's in Indianapolis was back in 2017 I think. I'm super excited to finally see Micro Center coming here.
I heard June, is that right?
As someone who set up a Fractal Design Torrent system a few months ago, I've already come to appreciate just how easy the dust filters are to work with. I'm in a pretty dusty house, so I've cleaned them out a couple of times already - not because it was clogged but because I could see in and "oh hey, there's dust, and it's a 5 minute job to pull the front off and slide out the bottom filter and vacuum both.
As filter systems go, it's ease of access is definitely top tier compared to what I've worked with in the past, and it's really nice not seeing dust collect on the outlets like my old computer which is half-dead thanks to dust buildup cooking the cpu a bit too much. That suggests to me it's actually *catching* the dust, which the old case failed to do.
Of course, this is coming from someone who just replaced a 9 year old computer, so this could be merely average dust filtering performance by today's standards. Regardless, I hope it serves you well.
And, totally biased opinion here, but the build looks great. Much better than mine, which is rather dwarfed by the case. (I splurged on a really good airflow case when I could get one so that I can use it for future builds; my current hardware is substantially more modest, and correspondingly is proportionally dwarfed by the vast void that is the interior of the Torrent.)
Jay: Buys WD drive with heatsink and complains about heatsink
Western Digital: We do offer a version without a heatsink, and its cheaper...
Nice to see the comment in the edit! Love the editing work your guys do!
Yeah they shouldn’t’ve bought the heat sink models if they knew they were gonna use the mobo heat spreader, but maybe they didn’t have heat sink-less 1TB models in stock. I got the same drives, and my mobo doesn’t have a heat spreader, but the M.2 slots are so close together the heat sinks are too wide and don’t fit. The complaint/problem is that it’s not removable like all other M.2 heat sinks.
I have 10 years working as an Assistant Editor. I’ve worked in reality tv nearly all of the entire time. We almost universally work in proxy offline media. Why don’t you guys transcode to proxy for editing and then Uprez at the end? DaVinci is pretty kind when making proxies and relinking/exporting. Doing so wouldn’t add tooo much time and you’d be able to continue using the old system.
I'm pretty sure the Torrent comes with a GPU support bracket. My GPU did as well so I'm using that one.
The M.2 drives with the attached heat spreaders are for the mobos that are cheaper and do not have heat spreaders already on the boards as well as game consoles like the PS5 which do not have a head spreader for expanded storage so the drive needs to have its own.
I wonder what format you are using. The FX6 does support XAVC-L and the bitrate can go as low as 60mbps at 4K30p, so you could use that as you transition.
What I think is the culprit is just Premiere will have some issues with Sony's XAVC containers and there is a bug that will cause it to use as much RAM as you have, completely ignoring the memory settings. The worst part is that it's so random. You can start the project without any issues but you can save and open it up again and the issue suddenly appears and now will never go away. So fuck Adobe.
heavily depending on how you setup files and the pipeline you work in and the grade of post production. 98% of editors use proxies so the fileformat on the timeline doesnt matter anyways. the ram usage usually comes from after effects motion design for example in combination with premiere pro.
@@BeastyBite We don’t use AE on a majority of our projects, or not through dynamic link anyways. We do use proxies and on my pc, media cache and storage is setup specifically how premiere likes it. High RAM usage is pretty random. Doesn’t happen often but when it does it can come to the point where I have to look through the autosaves because I can’t proceed at all anymore.
Doing all this is optional on Resolve and I’m so happy to have switched to it. Resolve still uses a lot of RAM, at least 32gb is recommended, but I’ve never had it to the point of critical failure when all I had was 16gb of RAM (WFH transition is tough when your PC was meant for just gaming)
Edit: I should say that I use resolve for my own projects. When I’m working for my company, I use premiere because the main editor uses premiere. I usually don’t edit for them but I’ll take it on if there’s just too many projects going on.
This is a great vlog for people that want to be content creators. It breaks down the things to consider when making an editing rig, and why.
I'd be curious to see a side-by-side of the editing performance between the two systems. Also, PNW Microcenter? I'm in Portland, but even one in Seattle would still be really nice, and seems like a place with high demand for such a store.
Same here. There's very little solid info on what really affects editing performance. All people measure is export time which IMO isn't that important (who cares if your video exports in 8min vs 13min). Most of the time in editing is spent cutting and playing back clips, grading, etc, saving a few minutes for export is insignificant. Also big files are not always the hardest to edit on. Prores 422 is big but playsback easy. More important I think is how smoothly h265 type file play back, forwards and backwards.
I live in Indianapolis and I’ve been driving by where the new micro center is opening and I’m so excited
I also moved from PP CS6 to DVR18 and the difference is phenomenal. There is SO MUCH MORE you can do inside of DVR18 like with Fusion (that's one hell of a rabbit hole), but really it can be as easy or as complex as you like.
So you are surprised that moving from a 10+ year old unsupported version of a program to a program with all the optimizations for modern hardware is a huge difference? That’s the same thing as comparing a Model T to the latest Porsche.
@@vrijegeest512 dude just let them enjoy the W. 🙄
As a Photoshop user, I agree with what Vrijegeest said
Phill will LOVE Resolve specially if he learns Fusion, it's just AMAZING
Jay or Phil, or Nick take a look at the motherboard manual for the PCIE lane distribution, there should be a setup option for the amount of drives you have to not loose the lanes that you did with the current setup. ALSO, Jay or Phil, or Nick, pick up the 4090 box again. The Gigabyte card should have a very decent sag bracket that is attached to the motherboard mounting screws and supports the card very robustly, as opposed to a 3d printed one.
this was actually one of the best classic videos. the reason i subscribed to this channel . Thanks Jay!
Heck yea @Phil YOU HAVE THE ABSOLUTE BEST MONTAGES AND PRODUCTION! YOU DESERVE IT BRO! The entire crew seems to very “good at what they do” for lack of better wording! 😂
Love the Microcenter videos. It's like an adventure. We have one near me in Michigan and I bought most of my components there.
I would really like to see Phil put up a video after going through davinci resolve. It would be nice to see some of the things you can do with it and what your team is losing from premiere. I don't have the money for a Adobe subscription and would like to learn Resolve's premiere like features. Great Build by the way.
There really isn’t much difference between the free and paid versions so it’s well worth some test runs with the free. There’s a fair few videos and tutorials out there too.
@@martinsmallridge4025 Most of the GPU acceleration is locked behind studio but it's still worth learning resolve from the free version. By the time you are editing footage where hardware acceleration will make a huge difference hopefully the $300 for resolve will be a non issue.
THANK GOODNESS THAT MC IS COMING TO CHARLOTTE, NC THIS YEAR!!!!!!
Also, this is an awesome rig, Phil!
Please give us an update on that Torrent case!
Objectively, the build is amazing and will make a great 2023 editing rig, kudos! 👏
As a 3970x user I don't understand why you didn't just upgrade the ram to 128 or even 256GB. You won't get the PCIE Lane bottleneck on TRX40 platform either. I mean, that wouldn't make as fascinating of a video, but I feel like you've painted the 13900k with 128GB of ram as an upgrade to a TR system with 64GB, where you can easily upgrade the TR system and get better results than what you had previously without a complete rebuild.
are they not using proxies? if not, that could have saved them a lot of money on a new editing rig.
I know that I'm a year late but in around 2017-2018 when I lived in Indy, I remember going to a Micro Center to start upgrading my PC, but I believe it wasn't the new one they had built on 86th it was more north from that. Either way I was so happy that there was a Micro Center and being able to go to one and buy parts to build a new system.
Jay: we are making this for ultra reliability
Also Jay: Hold my heat gun and watch this! *proceeds to screw with storage drives*
I love Phil's esthetic choice. I did a blackout build with a fractal define R4 back in the day with a 4790k. It was my sleeper build.
You guys all make such a good team. The new camera looks great and I'm sure Phil is super excited for his upgrade! Love your videos like this, where it's just kind of a spur of the moment thing
it's massive like your car trying to fit your can into a tiny parking spot 🤣
I have an Aorus Master X570. They are beautiful boards. Glad to see that hasn't changed.
Absolutely LOVE my Fractal Torrent! Pro Tip: Take the filter out of the front for more airflow. (You'll have to clean the innards about once a month!) Pro Tip #2: There is a GPU sag bracket included with the case. No need to print one.
pretty stupid tbh
I have the fractual torrent to mentel cooling i've seen my xfx 7900 xtx speedster merc 310 at 21oc. Even under load it rarely goes past 45oc.
even the NVMEs without heatsinks, if you REALLY need it, you can buy an add-on heatsink for a few bucks and it can be removed easily afterwards. it's what i did for my ps5
I'll never forget back in the day when I built a first gen Ryzen system with a 1700 and a 1080ti. Mainly for streaming, but I figured it would better for editing in premiere as well. it wasn't lol
tried Resolve 12, saw how much better it was at multithreaded work and utilizing my gpu, and I haven't gone back to premiere since. good on y'all for giving it a go!
I love seeing Adobe get crapped on by everyone
@@andrewk8636 I can get how it might seem that way, but I generally do appreciate adobe and all that their software brings to the table. Premiere Pro is built on their oldest code base, so if they took a year to rewrite it from the ground up to take advantage of newer systems and lighter weight code, I'm sure they could be top dog again but sadly, and maybe for the benefit of everyone else, I don't think they'll do that.
They're supposedly opening a micro center in Charlotte, NC too! I would have on in driving range! Very excited
You don't need a beastly computer to run DaVinci Resolve. I edit 4k videos with high bitrate on a 1080ti by using proxy and cutting the proxy resolution in half while editing. Then convert back to full resolution before exporting.
I personally have a 2TB WD SN850 with heatsink for in my PS5. I've been using it ever since it was supported on PS5 and it's still working great! I love this drive! Sadly enough they don't have the 4TB available anymore. Because i would've bought that one!
I did some research, and found out that there is (potentially) a Micro Center coming to Miami, Florida. Mall of America has it listed as development on their site, and Micro Center hasn't officially confirmed it. However, a Reddit user said they talked to the building manager and speculated that it should be opening December 2023 - Summer 2024. So I'm excited for that.
I am waiting for them to come to Europe 😁😇
As someone living in Jacksonville, this pains me. I was really hoping if they opened a store in FL it would be in Orlando - don't get me wrong I absolutely despise Orlando traffic, but it's far more centrally located than Miami is. Honestly, it seems like a lost opportunity to me.
UNFORTUNATELY, Jacksonville is closer to Atlanta(~5h15m) than Miami (~6h), and a 5+ hour drive is just not worth it to go to a PC store. So, sadly, it's still out of reach for me if they do indeed decide to go to Miami.
Orlando is ~3.5h from Miami, Tallahassee is a few minutes farther, 2h from Jacksonville & Tampa, and a few minutes less from Gainesville. It just makes more sense to me as someone who has lived here most of his life.
That reddit post is old. It's not cost efficient for Micro Center to open a store in Miami because of high leasing space/rent, high distribution/shipping cost. Miami are in the same situation as Seattle. It's EASY for Micro Center to open a store in Indy because it's cheaper to lease out a space, cheap delivery cost, and the corporate office is almost 3 hours away in Hillard, OH for a short run for in house delivery. There are no short delivery runs to Miami or Seattle.
i've got 2 WD Black SN 770's and i have had no issues at all with them. though, pretty dumb to glue the drive to that bracket when most people who DIY will remove the heatsink to use the mobo heat spreaders...had fun in this one! thanks for the great content!!
phil just zooming onto jayz face so hard just to not show the guy coming around the corner with ltt merch
I'll be about 4 miles from the new MC in Indianapolis. We lost frys a couple years ago, so immediate fixes for failures pretty much stopped. I'm excited they are coming and the kid is already planning on a new build
I am actually surprised you went with 1tb drives, usually larger capacity are a lot faster and drives are one of the most common bottlenecks. Since the budget for this was basically... unlimited (4090 for the ram lol :P ) I was expecting at least 2tb on all drives :D
If they really had an unlimited budget they would have bought a server grade GPU with 64GB of VRAM.
@@TarianJEDTech context mate... unlimited budget = when you buy a 4090 for its ram speed/capacity spending a bit more for faster disks =/= literally unlimited budget where you buy a server for rendering
both the 1tb and the faster gen4 ssds top out around 7.3ish gb per second. so since 7.3 == 7.3, going for larger drives doesnt make a difference. (unless you go gen 5 drives)
You're making the mistake of assuming Jay knows what the fuck he's doing...
i realy dont get it why they buy 4090 "for the ramm" and not look into RTX quadro cards, those have even more ramm.
The new camera footage looks great!
Thanks for that random tech tip. I've been looking at WD 850x drives for a while, and wondered if the premium was worth it for the heatsink drive. Think I'll just buy the non heatsink version and apply an aftermarket heat spreader to it for the PS5.
I have the WD black with heatsink for my PS5 and it fits perfectly. If I remember correctly, it was one of the first NVMe M.2 SSDs that was deemed officially compatible with the PS5.
@@th3fall0f3den yep. Same. I have the 2TB w heatsink. Fits perfectly in my PS5
Indy here. Super stoked for the new Micro Center coming!
You can actually run 4 sticks of memory using XMP on motherboards with Z790 chips. Intel 13th gen supports a max 5600 that is not considered overclocking so installing 4 memory sticks with speeds equal to 5600 (or 5200 for that matter) will successfully boot using XMP profile. Make sure you're on the latest firmware. Asus motherboards with their latest bios update have finally addressed this matter last month. Z690 motherboards will also receive a bios update to address this very soon.
No it won't. My system does not boot with XMP enabled on the asus rog strix z790-e.
@@hermi8349 what bios version are you using and what are the rated memory speeds of your sticks? Also, what processor do you have?
I got some kingston Fury beast DDR5 - I can run 128GB 4 sticks at 5600 with no issues on an Asus ProArt z790 creator wifi. I can run it at 6000 but I get blue screens still. On the latest BIOS so hoping I can move up to 6000 in future.
@@leevfx he literally said it will be fine up to 5600 . And u literally just also said you can boot up with 5600 speed with no problem. I have no clue what was that " no it won't" comment of yours 😐😂
@@arian_s_collection I think you replied to the wrong person. I never said it “no it won’t” I was confirming it does with my brand of ram and mobo. I’m being helpful
Indianapolis is close to me and I’m super stoked we’re finally getting a Micro Center.
PSA: You DONT have to use the included screw driver to mount the cooler. Any screw driver you have that fits the holes and has the required length and correct drive will work.
nice build! Hey Jay, i live in Indianapolis. I am crazy excited about microcenter opening this summer. it will be 25 minutes from home. the closest MC now is sharonville OH, about 1 hr 45 minute drive. Frys closed in 2021 and the only choice is BB or amazon. cant wait.
Hey Jay I have also seen tests done on the torrent that show that the exhaust fan actually hurts cpu temps that its better to just let the positive pressure escape unassisted by any rear fans. might be something interesting to test. And also the torrent comes with an anti sag bracket!
Yep that's correct Jay, I've lived in Indianapolis my whole life, we used to have a Frys electronics but they closed about 2 years ago, besides bestbuy there isn't anything around, so I drove to microcenter in Ohio and made the comment that i wished we had one here in indy, he told me the good news, I went nuts! Finally we are getting our own Microcenter here in Indianapolis, can't freaking wait!
If you guys just needed the 24GB of VRAM, why didn't you go with the 7900xtx instead of the 4090? Is there a specific reason to that or did you just not think about it? :)
Great Video btw, just as usual :)
I hope Phil is going to max his skills out with resolve :D
I''m running 2 WD Black NVME drives and 1 WD Blue. 2 years without any issues. Been very pleased.
Perfect time for a collab with Linus. Have him do your custom storage that caters to your business needs much like he's done for other youtubers.
Linus sort of already did when Jay redid his server. In fact, all Linus did is told him "[[he's]] smart enough to build [[his]] own s*. Here's an Unraid key."
Questions for you Jay??
1. Why did you choose to use a single SSD for the scratch disk rather than using two of them in RAID 1 pair?
Your scratch drive(s) are going to get far more writes than your OS drive or your 2TB intial storage drive?
2. Why did you buy the SSDs from the same manufacturer?
I thought the advice was to use different manufacturers for SSDs & Hard Drives because that way the SSDs will fail to "Read only" at different points in time.
3. Wendell from Level 1 techs is recommending using ex-enterpise Intel/micron storage that's not as fast as RAM but a lot faster than SSD as the scratch space for editing?
4. Do you use Tape for your long term storage?
That Dark Rock Pro 4 might not be the best choice for an air cooler. Have you tried the Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120? Might give higher CPU speeds when the CPU thermal throttles during rendering 😁😁
13:50 Probably because most NVME MFGs are advertising the included-heatsink drives as PS5 compatible, which needs the heatsink so it doesn't overheat inside the console.
Love the VGG reference of bracketry, awesome stuff as always
Jay im happy to see you using my favorite mobo manufacturer I just update to an all AM5 build ryzen 7 7700x with a 7900 XT and i have a Aorus x670E and i love it worked great
I'm one of the people who got excited out loud when you mentioned. Haven't had anything like MC around here since Fry's.
So happy Indy is getting a microcenter. So needed
You basically built my video editing rig, other than brands. Works freaking GREAT in Premiere, Photoshop and Illustrator (and pretty dang solid for Resolve and After Effects). Games decent too LOL but like, I'd freaking HOPE SO for what it cost.
Will say though the vid looks CRISP. Worth the $$$ IMO. Nice upgrade Phil!
Already knew we were getting a Micro Center. Already submitted my application! 😄
I love having a Microcenter close to me. Get stuff the same day, and usually their prices are the same as Amazon and Newegg, often cheaper.
i've recently started watching and find i LOVE the teams sense of humour. I've been trying to find some guides on Building a PC for Production (Audio/Video) etc, but doesn't have to be TOP END, home studio which i've done my entire life and have lived comfortably with an i7 7500 laptop now for the past 5 years... recently though as plugins become more demanding I'm seeing my CPU taking its toll. (It being Dual Core, 4 threads). So... I have my eyes on a Ryzen 4600G (and perhaps having the flexibility to later upgrade to an 8core), no need for a discrete gaming video card, and a B550 Motherboard. I was hoping perhaps to see a "Mid Levelled" pc Build with a bit of upgradability for my kind of work. Love the content! All the best guys.
SWEET I'm doing the same build right now but I'm using the i9 13900KS and a 3090 ti. Looking forward to seeing this build!!
For anyone that's interested, a Corsair 1000 shift PSU does fit in this case. I'm running almost this exact rig and it's fine. Don't screw the PSU in until you have all the cables plugged into the PSU. You will need to move the PSU around a bit when doing the install.
Indianapolis is getting a Micocenter!! 🥳We haven't had anything like it since Frye's went away. I've got to start saving and planning on what components I'm going to splurge on and for whom's system will the components go! June will come quickly.
Fun PC build with high end parts to view. Micro Center is awesome.
Hey Jay, the ones with heatsinks are for non premium motherboards, old motherboards and PS5s. You already know you should’ve bought the ones without a heatsink
Nice to see an editing rig get built.
Built mine a little more than a year ago for photoshop / lightroom. MSI z690 pro ddr4 mobo. / i7-12700KF / G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 64GB (2 x 32GB) 4000MHz - 2 kits for 128GB / MSI RTX 3060 Ventus 2x 12GB. Originally went with a Thermaltake TOUGHAIR 510 180W air cooler, which didn't cool well enough, swapped that for the ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240.
Just upgraded storage: OS drive - 980 Pro 1TB / (2) 980 Pro 2TB in the PCIE 4 slots / 1 970 EVO Plus 2TB in the PCIE 3 slot.
If I were to do it differently, I would look for memory with a faster base speed, since I learned - from you - that I can't enable XMP with 4 sticks. So I'm stuck right now with 2666 MHz until they update the bios to handle 4 sticks with XMP, or I decide 2666 just isn't fast enough.
Wondering were I to pull 2 sticks and go with 64GB, if XMP would work.....
I'm hoping New York State gets a Microcenter at some point. Would be a dream come true!
I've been in Premiere since the lates90s. Switched to Resolve 2 years ago and haven't looked back. You can do it Phil!
I have a WD black NVME in my rig, it's great! no issues in the 2 years i've had my OS on it.
The first four parts in description is what I picked up for my gaming build not too long ago. I’ve been wondering why I couldn’t run XMP with 128gb RAM with four RAM chips. I’d want to do XMP at some point but it is what it is. I shop at the micro center at Fairfax. Dope video.
The instant I saw the WD Blacks I knew he was going to run into the same issue I did. The best way I found was to use the ifixit adhesive remover, just bend it up enough to create a space and then apply the adhesive remover to sit for a few minutes. The glue is nice and gooey and easily removed.
You just made my day! I live in Indiana, and I've been wishing they would build one closer to me. Yipeee.
9:48 that's a ringtone right there.
Love the videos and the fun you have doing them.
I got the Corsair Shift and I love the idea with the plugs being on the side, such a simple but awesome change. I was worried about clerance but it worked out just fine with my Fractal Design Define R6.
Still keeping my fingers crossed they open a Microcenter in Raleigh/Durham, NC!
For people in North Carolina there’s a Micro Center that’ll be open in Charlotte NC this fall!!!
I don''t see alot of mentioning it here but damn Jay, you look good! So nice to see compared with years ago!
Shout out to the Z790 Gigabyte board. Beautifully built
Shouldn't need to 3D print a sag bracket, Torrent comes with a pretty good one that screws in from the back corner of the card.
Just completed a build with everything WD, Corsair (including 64 GB DDR-6000), 13700K, Gigabyte board/GPU and it's fantastic (upgraded from an aging 6700K w. a 3080 ti).
super excited for Indy's opening of Microcenter!
NYC needs a micro center badly!!!
Here's hoping a Microcenter comes to NC! I'm not driving 6+ hours to MD or GA.
Hey hey a sponsor spot that's actually relevant; I'm running their AIR-100 ARGB and I quite like the case. Clean, minimal, no gimmicks, tons of room even for a small case, and abundant venting.
Just as a side note, try Intelligent Standby List Cleaner!
Chances are the RAM is cached to max capacity, and that software can absolutely clear it out and fix that issue!
I can’t wait for a micro center to finally be within an hour of Indy instead of 4 hours to Chicago might finally get to go see one!
Just an idea but I think that because the PS5 storage expansion slot requires an M.2 with heat sink is why they are putting them on those more frequently now
good thing there's one around Kansas City where I live I only live 45 minutes away from the micro center!!!!!