Economy Rolling Mill vs Pepetools Rolling Mill
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- If you're looking into getting a rolling mill, you might find this videos to be very helpful. I go over my feelings about the economy rolling mill and Pepetools rolling mill.
Pepetools rolling mill 130mm - bit.ly/pepetools130
Wire&Sheet Rolling Mills - bit.ly/ComboRollingMill
Flat/Sheet - bit.ly/sheetrollingmill
Rolling Work Table (Perfect for mounting your rolling mill to) - bit.ly/RollingWorkTable
Amazon Pepetools rolling mills:
amzn.to/3jBltyL
Amazon Economy rolling mills:
USA - amzn.to/37p8ubv
UK - amzn.to/38FMsBp
DE - amzn.to/36sUHiT
CA - amzn.to/2RqAcPB
Mounting Hardware:
1/4"-20 x 20mm Wood Inserts - amzn.to/3aJdGZV
1/4"-20 X 2" Screw - amzn.to/2RNbDv8
1/4"Flat Washer - amzn.to/37vFkr5
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I have the same Pepe Mill, I love it. But what I love even more is your integrity and honesty in telling viewers you got it for free, and how and why. I think it's great that you did and that you are working with Pepe. They are lucky to have you reviewing them. You are an asset to any tool company simply because of your candid honesty and integrity!! And, Pepe is AMERICAN MADE! ahh! Ps. Check out Pepe's squared ring mandrel, it makes gorgeous ring shanks, my customers prefer them absolutely.
Thank you and I will have to check that out.
I do try and tell people about the companies that I'm working and if I make any kind of money from the sales of whatever items. I want people to know where I'm coming from so they can get the full story and make their own choices.
@@GomeowCreations Stunningly refreshing!
This Pepe Tools rolling mill is fantastic. I've had one for several years. You are showing there is the one I have recommended to dozens of other jewelers. Its Nowhere near as expensive as the only other could possibly compete with it . And the quality is phenomenal. I've had the pleasure of speaking with them directly I had one complication with my mail in the very beginning, they were very quick to assist and solved every problem. Customer Service is perfect. And you probably won't need the warranty but it has one.
Love the in depth explanation, reviews like this really help out when choosing any piece of machinery/equipement. Pepe rolling mill looks amazing ! Congrats on new mill
Thanks and yeah this is a video I wish I had when I was looking for my first mill. I hope people fine the info they are looking for in it so they can choose the right tool for them. 😁👍
Great information and very timely for me. Was just about to buy a used version of the "economy" model but did not realize its limitation in accepting thick ingots which would have been its primary use. Thank you!
No problem 😊 and yeah that was one of the first problem when I got it haha
I just bought that same roller , the ring stretcher/reducer , and jump ring maker the first week of the year . There is the larger one , but it is $500 + more . I am glad you are going to be doing videos using this , as it will be very helpful to all of us . We'll be waiting and watching .
I hope I can do it justice haha
sooo helpful, thank you! you answered all my questions.....especially now knowing that I can't put a texture plate through the economy, that's what I want to do, so that roller won't work for me. thank you!!
I appreciate you breaking down the good, bad, and ugly about the cheap rolling mills vs quality. I’m what you’d call a “serious hobbyist” in that I’m an artist, older and just beginning to do metalwork, but always hunt for the best quality I can afford, or the least expensive tool that still retains essential quality. I was leaning towards a $300 Indian made rolling mill, but ended up getting one of the smallest pepetools machines (90mm combination mill) -while I would’ve liked having more sizes of wire rollers, and a bigger space for flat metal, this little machine is extremely well designed and for its size provides a enough room for everything I’ll actually need to use. I’m very pleased with it. Made in USA is more then icing on the cake- it’s a necessity.
I'm happy I was able to help with your buying decision. I do know that the pepetools one is a bit more in price but I really do thing it is well worth it.
Very informative as usual. Congratz on the mill and partnership. Win win.
Thanks and I'm happy to hear that this was helpful.
Another amazing video thank you Randy. I look forward to the videos you have planned aloha.
Thank you and I should have a new video out soon. 😁
I’ve been contemplating between both of these for the same reasons. 🤣😂Thanks for helping me decide I wasn’t making more out of something I hadn’t used yet. I’ll be ordering the Peppe 🦨 when I get one. Thanks again! 🐴🐴🦅
Im happy to be able to help
Another thing to consider is the quality of the materials and workmanship in an "economy" versus a high-end rolling mill. I bought one of the economy ones off of Amazon... the point where the 'steel' roller met with the gears crumbled! I used it gently, did not try to force metal through it. (I tried to post a picture of the broken piece but couldn't). Of course, the seller did not stand behind the roller. So, it was a total waste of approx $300. I have had a Pepe rolling mill for several years now, and LOVE it! It is definitely a case of 'you get what you pay for' in rolling mills. Save for an extra couple of months to get quality.Take it from somebody who learned the hard way!
Yeah if you get a cheap tools that you have to replace over and over it will cost end up costing more than the high quality tool.
Very interesting! I really enjoyed this video for the rolling mill as well as the mounting hardware system you are using. I'm looking forward to your video on how to make your own sterling silver. I currently purchase the sheet and wire already made.
Thanks and I like how the mount worked out and my new video is up about making my own wire and sheet.
I would enjoy some more entailing the process of recycling and milling scrap. Another great video Randy. Thanks.
Well I have this video about it, let me know if this helps ua-cam.com/video/Bs0rQJ4ritY/v-deo.html
Nice score. Looking forward to mill videos. I'm gonna get a pepe one this summer.
Yeah it is very nice compared to my old one for sure. I'm working on a video that I use it in so that should be done some time this week.
I have the same Mold, the same blue rolling mill and Yes you guessed right, the same Ingot. I’ve made an ingot and the rolling mill won’t roll it. I don’t have pounding equipment to pound the ingot into a thinner piece. So stuck with this problem. I’m now looking at rolling mills. It seems obvious what was the problem, but I just didn’t see it. I assumed my budget rolling mill was broke or at the end of its life span. So after watching your video it’s convinced me that a better RM is the way to go. Big Thank you once again.
Yeah that is one big problem with the cheap setup.
Got one today ! Thank you !
Very nice let me know what you think of it once you get to use it 😁👍
Hi Randy, so finally got around to putting inserts in your bench eh? I have that exact mill and just love it! It just reeked of quality taking it out of the box!
Yeah it makes things so much better haha I wish I would have done it sooner 😅
Just what I needed to know , great presentation , you have a new subscriber ,and I do plan on ordering the pepe tools mill and will definitely use the coupon code , Thank You .
Thank you very much but sadly that code no longer works 😅
Pepetools makes great stuff. I have a Pepetools furnace, I bought 20+ years, forgot it many times under the rain, but still running like a champ👍👍👍 I also bought the same blue indian rolling mill that you are showing. The frame where the small gear is attached broke 2 days ago. I cannot use the mill anymore. If you are going for the indian mill, make sure you are using an ingot no more than 2 mm thick and take very small increments or you will be sorry.
Thanks for sharing that info so people wanting to get that one.
I got the blue one recently in the UK for £160ish with the five extra rollers.
I tried it on a small silver ingot i cast to 5mm thick it wouldn't go through it as the top roller lifts high enough but it disengages the drive cog - so only the bottom roller turned!
I was so disappointed about this - so as long as the metal is actually 4mm or less it does work
I have a Pepe economy rolling mill and it's absolutely awesome. If you take care of it, it will last for years. When I upgrade, it'll be to a Pepe electric mill. Lol...thanks for the video Randy, you rock!
Yeah I plan on taking good care of it haha and an electric one would be awesome to have but I would need more space for it haha Whenever you do upgrade make sure to use my discount code to save a little money on it 😁👍
@@GomeowCreations Definitely will! Thank you!
If you're looking into getting a rolling mill, you might find this videos to be very helpful. I go over my feelings about the economy rolling mill and Pepetools rolling mill.
Pepetools rolling mill 130mm - bit.ly/pepetools130
Wire&Sheet Rolling Mills - bit.ly/ComboRollingMill
Flat/Sheet - bit.ly/sheetrollingmill
Rolling Work Table (Perfect for mounting your rolling mill to) - bit.ly/RollingWorkTable
Amazon Pepetools rolling mills:
amzn.to/3jBltyL
Amazon Economy rolling mills:
USA - amzn.to/37p8ubv
UK - amzn.to/38FMsBp
DE - amzn.to/36sUHiT
CA - amzn.to/2RqAcPB
Mounting Hardware:
1/4"-20 x 20mm Wood Inserts - amzn.to/3aJdGZV
1/4"-20 X 2" Screw - amzn.to/2RNbDv8
1/4"Flat Washer - amzn.to/37vFkr5
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GomeowCreations.com/tools-and-materials
GomeowCreations.com/partners-discount-codes
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Great video, but I'm still love my electric mill, best investment ever.
Still awesome that you made such optimal use of your workspace.
Thanks and yeah I can see an electric mill being very handy.
Yeah I have to make due with my space for now, I'm looking to move to Idaho some time soon so I might be able to set up in a much bigger area. 😁
@@GomeowCreations good to hear, looking forward for your next videos, keep up the good work
Very informative. Didn’t realize that changing rollers is time consuming and messy. The desynching of rollers wasn’t something I would have considered. And thickness seals the deal. No bargain mill for me.
Yeah it was a lot of stuff that I had to just learn from doing. 😅
It is very important that when you make the first purchases of jewelry tools you buy the important ones from the professional and not the economic range. Jewelery is a long-term investment and therefore it is necessary to have professional tools such as rolling mill, polished motor, ultrasonic machine etc. Thanks for the video, honestly I was looking after the economical rolling mill, and I needed a video like this to understand exactly his problems and how useful he is. Also professional mills also produce Durston, Mario di Maio, Cavallin and of course Pepe tools. It is important if you have a bigger budget to buy one with a gearbox, it helps that the laminated sheet does not make waves and you don't need that much strength.
I think I'll buy an economic one, because I'm just doing it as a hobby. I'm 16 and don't know how long I'll be able to do the hobby till I have a job. I hope that the economic one will do the job. 😬😅
@@kima2219 so hows it been for you lately
I have the very same Pepe rolling mill and I’m very happy with it. I do textures with it by rolling texture paper with the metal. Contenti sells them but they don’t last forever but they are cheap.
What is good to hear that you also like yours and I will have to check out those papers. I have used some things in the past with my old mill to make some cool patterns and this gives me an I idea for another video. 👍
GomeowCreations To save you the search time contenti.com/laser-engraved-rolling-mill-texture-paper
Great work thank you!
Well thank you very much 😁👍
PepetoolsUSA can you send me one to London UK ?
marlena blazejewska yes of course
PepetoolsUSA I won it with ductile frem
In Amazon they more expensive.+80for cheeping 😿
Great vid as always, love your honesty and transparency regarding Pepe Tools.
Also I’m super jealous...
I really want a rolling mill 😩 I’ve been looking at the Durston entry mill but it’s just soooo expensive, a little cheaper than the Pepe one you’ve just shown, but still too much money for me. Even the economy mill like your old one is on the pricey side for me at the mo, but I’m not going to be making my own sheet and wire, so I’m still considering it.
Wish I pop over to your workshop and borrow your new one!! 😹😹😹 If only there wasn’t an entire ocean in the middle 😹😹😹
Thanks and yeah rolling mills are a real investment that you have to use to make them worth the money. If you do buy one and still just buy the silver sheet and wire, then it is a waist of money.
What country are you in, if you don't mind me asking?
GomeowCreations That’s what I’ve been thinking. I’d like to use one for thinning down my solder strips and copper and brass bezel wire, flattening melted scrap silver and imprinting texture on sheet. Hence my still considering the economy version.
I’m in the UK, about 40 miles west of London. But that’s what I love about the jewellery community, it’s so multi-national and multi-cultural.
Do you think rolling mills like these are a good choice to emboss 36 gauge brass and cut out a design at the same time? Or is that overkill?
Hey. I appreciate the videos very much.
I have the Pepetools 160 mm flat mill, but it doesn't have wire rollers, so I have to forge out wires poured into the same ingot mold you showed. A similar but bizzaro situation from yours. I've been thinking about getting your first mill (cheapo) just as a wire mill to mill the biggest wire size in the ingot mold we both have. Would you recommend cheap mill as a half duty wire mill? Thanks again
Yeah, that would work if you just needed it for wire. So if you have the space for two mills and you already have the other one I don't see that being problem.
Would draw plate work?
I’m still using my economy mill. I have to wait to be able to afford a Pepe tools one. I wish they had a lay away plan, then I could have bi-passed the economy one.
Can’t wait to see you make 925 silver.
You can also make Argentium. It’s 930 and uses germanium and zinc. I haven’t made any of the silver alloys, but I researched them to see what would be needed.
Well you are in luck, they do a have payment plan that you can do. Use this link to the item bit.ly/30W0b4m and look for the Klarna payment option, it says that payments can be as low as $115 per month. This might be a good option for you. Let me know if you end up doing it and how that all works out.
As for the 925 I will have that up in a week or two if things go as planned. 😁👍
Argentium is 935 not 930
GomeowCreations for some reason I missed this reply. I’ll go check it out.
I was looking at Amazon and Pepe tools from the links you supplied in your video. Both mills apparently have a maximum aperture of 5 MMs. Am I looking at the wrong information?
That is odd and I just looked it up too and it does has 5mm but I tested mine and I have got up up to 7.5mm
Do you need a lot of strength when turning the crank with the Pepe? I have so much difficulty with the economy version.
It's not hard to turn the Pepe Tools mill. You also need to adjust the roller slowly with the mill so it's not to hard to turn
Does the rolling mill have to be mounted for to use it?
I just got a Durston c130 and its in my garage still in the box and im too hyped about it! But imma need you to make some rolling mill vidyas so i can figure out how to use this thing!! 😁👍
What info do you need?
@@GomeowCreations i know you can emboss textures and run wire through it but i'm basically looking for projects that can be done with a mill.
I see, I mostly use it for taking my old scrap silver and turn it back into wire or sheet that I can use. I have some texturing stuff that I'm planning on doing in the near future so that might be handy and I will make a project for it.
@@GomeowCreations awesome, looking forward to it!
Great mill and yeas you should mount it or it will be bouncing round the room.
Haha yeah, I know with my old one it was moving all over the place because I didn't mount it. 😅
The gearing and handle length in these two units is obviously very different. You did not comment on the difference if any in effort required to rotate handle. Is there much difference?
Do you have video on Rolling mill use ? Great video
I kinda do but I'm working on a better one now ua-cam.com/video/Bs0rQJ4ritY/v-deo.html
I do have a question about Rolling Mills. I keep having my metals skew as they go through and end up with bent pieces. Any advice? Thanks for the channel, love the content.
What rolling mill do you have?
@@GomeowCreations Unfortunately it is a cheap one like your first one. Since I am just staring (about 3 months ago) and buying polishing, gem setting, materials, etc - I had a hard time justifying going to Durston or Pepe yet. I have to sell more at craft fairs before I can upgrade, which is the long term plan.
How are the parts bending? Is it up and down or to one side?
@@GomeowCreations it bends to the side, up/down I have been able to work with. If I put a round wire in, it will bend sideways and put a curve in the flat part, so it is no longer straight. if I flatten out an ingot, it will do the same and be not even close to straight once I go from ingot size to something like .6
It sounds like the rollers are not aligned right. you might want to check that
Did you ever have issues with the economy mill sticking
In Australia that Pepe mill is $1430 AU before shipping. The cheap one $300 AU with free shipping. It will be sometime before an upgrade. Maybe one day.
Starving Artists Collective we have these available in Australia from
Our authorized distributors 😉
Yeah that is always an option. I wasn't able to fine the best prices for other countries but I'm sure you can fine something local. Here use this link pepetools.com/pages/dealer-locator?aff=9 it will show you the dealers all over the world.
@@PepetoolsUSA It's a beautiful mill! That is the cost from an authorised distributor in Sydney before shipping to my studio. (I can't lift it) It's just that many tools reviewed by channels are American tools, reviewed by American craftspeople in American $$ so when the conversions are made it can deflate the enthusiasm a bit. I don't begrudge this. It just does make a difference when considering big ticket purchases. I use one of those cheapies now but I do hope to upgrade to something better one day.
Starving Artists Collective completely understand! The import cost are quite high and I wish we could make it more economical! However there is absolutely nothing wrong with an economy mill, it does the job and works for you then there’s nothing wrong with that! Gotta use what’s best for you
Just a heads up for any Canadian Jewelry Makers the PepeTool is around 1,100$ CAD + Tax and the blue one he has is a "No name" brand by Jewelers Tools company and costs around 500$ + Tax with the 2 flat rollers and around 700$ + Tax for the combination mill with multipule rollers all around the same price depending on if you go with an 80mm anything for smaller mm will cost even more so expect to pay double the price as of what is referenced in the video
My comment is not to discourage people from watching this video just to bring awareness to the prices before you decide to order materials Lol
It's all good, I'm in the US so I work in USD and I can't keep every currency in mind 😅
heey! where do I get this lovley 2 sided ingot mold from?
amzn.to/33LNrRi here you go 😁👍
@@GomeowCreations thanks bro! already found it!
OK that strange the Amazon description and the PepeTools description for the Combination Rolling Mill 130 mm says different things. PepeTools says the maximum aperture is 5mm. Amazon says the maximum aperture is 7.5mm.
I can open mine up to 7.5mm
@@GomeowCreations Does yours have the Ductile Frame? PepeTools's Rolling Mill 130 mm with the maximum aperture of 5mm says it has a Ductile Frame. Whatever that is
Yeah that is frame that I have.
How uniform is the sheet thickness put out by it?
Very uniform. 👍
Enough said, save your money, get the best.
Update: A year and a half after this video was uploaded (July 2021) the price is $760
Yep it looks like it. The price of just about everything has gone up over the last year and a half to be honest 😅👍
if it's just Ingot size and switching out rollers that I'm pretty sure the one I'm looking at wouldn't have that problem because it has a similar roller configuration to the Pepe.
Yeah that can work but make sure that the rollers open up enough to fit the ingot of your going to have to hammer it down to fit. The blue one that I have it would not fit a normal sized ingot.
@@GomeowCreations its advertised to be about the same as pepe advertised, just good to know they last.
What is an industry and how big is it?
The Pepe link to Amazon US is dead with no restocking date.
Sadly that might just be out of stock on Amazon but I know they are in stock on there website and I have links to that in my description as well 😊👍
The Pepe looks a lot better, that's for sure.
I think it is just better over all. 😁👍
can a rolling mill like the economy one roll steel that's orange hot?
Idk, that is not something I have ever tried and idk if that would mess up your rollers or not
@@GomeowCreations oh it'd definitely mess up the rollers heat treat but i just want to know if it would work lol. i don't see why it wouldn't. it's strange how people on forums disagree with each other over facts like this so much.
thanks for the reply. this video is excellent by the way.
But that's not the only chinese-made Julie Rolling Mill that they sell they sell larger Chinese rolling Mills out in the market
Yeah there are a lot of different ones on the market. This is just the one I have
Would you want to sell the economy one please
Sadly I already did a year ago
Cuánto cuesta o vale la caminadora desde Perú
I honestly don't know but you can check on pepetools.com
How can you promote something that does not do what the description says it capable of
What are you talking about?
Make a video that proves it can make a 6.5mm square wire
I just looks at all my ingot molds and I don't even have one that is over 6mm for a bar. I honestly don't have the time to make a video or even try this out right now. I might get to it some day. Also what are you making that needs 6.5mm wire?
@@GomeowCreations it doesn't matter what I'm making. They claim it will make a 6.5 square wire where the biggest it will actually produce is a 4.5mm wire. They are lying to their customers!!!
Alroght, you can take that up with them. I have nothing to do with that 😅
black machine price
To buy this machine
What do you mean?
How to buy this machine
Yeah, but what about the economy one that is the same design as the pepe? This is apples and oranges
...but helpful, lol.
Hello
Hi 😊
@@GomeowCreations where are you from?
Murrieta California USA
we have this model in China
I have the economy but if I could afford a Pepe I would buy it. By the way, your hand movements are so distracting I have to look away to follow your comments. Wish you would scale way back on that - or are you Italian? Lol!
Yeah I have been working on the hand thing in newer videos seeing that people don't like it much haha.
@@GomeowCreations whew! Glad I wasn’t alone in that because I felt a little bad after posting that. Lol! But no matter what, keep making these videos because they are so helpful and give me some much needed courage to try new things!
$1800 CAN on Amazon.ca. Economy roller $360 CAN on Amazon.ca.
Yeah, sorry about that. I really didn't know about the price difference in other countries. Maybe you can order one from pepetools.com and have it shipped to Canada for cheaper? To be 100% honest I don't know if they ship out of the US like but I will have to ask them. 😁
Hey check this out bit.ly/2RSESfX you can fine local dealers that might have them for cheaper prices.
It sounds basically like you got a very expensive mill for free so you'll promote their mill. That's hardly a non-biased review.
So this video was made some time ago now. I still have the pepetools rolling mill and have used it a lot. That blue mill works for sure but like I said in the video it doesn't open as much as it needs to to roll out ingots into sheets.
You can make it work for sure but it really is a case of you get what you pay for. I have seen a lot of these cheaper mills with broken gears overtime.
And of course it's not 100% non-biased due to getting the better mill for free but honestly I was going to buy one before I got this sent to me anyways. 😁👍
It’s called a rolling mill dummy
Did I say it wrong?
Can the handle be removed for storage on the Pepe?
You can, it only has one bolt holding it on 😁
@@GomeowCreations Thanks.