The problem is that they tip back. The JD with a higher and further forward center of gravity can decelerate at the top of the hill, and "throw" himself over the top. The others actually would work better in the real world, but they lose this test that is rigged to benefit the objectively worse machine.
in a real world contingency, should the machines with normal weight distribution (rear heavy when unloaded) need to climb that steep of a hill, they could still make it, in reverse.
Our skid steers at work pop wheelies coming up on our pintle trailers all the time, you just keep the throttle down and drag the ass end on the ramps all the way up. That operator looks like he could have done the same thing to get up the hill. The dirt looks compact enough to accomplish but instead he kept letting of way to early
You can clearly see the drivers are on two different skill levels. The Deere driver was moving his bucket to counter the weight. The others until the new holland just kept it in on position
This demonstration was created by deere for a deere skid steer.... if it was a bobcat, cat, or case demonstration... they would all come in place first too
Matt McNeice if you watch close. The deere driver is properly moving his arms and bucket to make it over. The drivers of the others were not. Hence you wont make it over that engineered hill with out dropping the bucket. Lol my 9 year old noticed it before he even showed me the video. 👍
All 'competitors' of the john deere are heavier at the back (counterweight) When driving a load thats a huge advantage. Not to mention it is prohibited (safety wise) to go uphill forward with a skidsteer with no load in the bucket. No john deere for me. Greetings, a heavy machinery safety instructor.
I work for a rental equipment company as a driver. I promise you if you pull up with a john deere skid steer, you will be pulling back off with it. bobcat is the best by far. they also don't spend as much time in our shop.
I've been operator for a years.. What I see in this video is John Deere's tilting there bucket forward to make it over the hill, if you pay close attention to the other buckets are tilted way back to prevent it from going up the hill..
Shit who's never wheeled a bobcat and stopped. No one on the construction sites I work on...thats the fun of running them. They are Swift, turn sharp, and wheelies
Watching this I wonder if all the loaders that were back heavy... could pick up a bigger load than the deere skid steer? You'd think that would be the case from.. watching.
Give us a break. Where is Kobota? One challenge - who can keep the wheels on the ground when going over unlikely terrain. Terrain that could be modified if need be.
This is so stupid, the Deere lowered his bucket at the top so he did flip backwards, the others didn't so they did, then the holland notices and did it the second try when he went up and it worked, the Deere was just a better driver who's not stupid and balanced the weight better..
if anyone thinks this is real read up. the driver slows down slightly at the top to put more weight on the front as it peaks over the hill. it's all operator. John deere skids do nothing better than any others
I think it's rather impressive that a baseball cap manufacturer put on such an extravagant show. Also I don't know what you haters are all going on about. When I was an operator it was a pretty common thing to have to carry a bucket of dirt over 3 perfectly engineered and manicured hills, the last of which was really tall and pointy.
ZachtheMack 21 I noticed that they actually tip their bucket back a few inches to help them lift the tires the first time they hit the hill and yeah the John Deere tipped his bucket down that's bullshit this is all promoted by John Deere though they probably put weights in the engine compartment to on the other ones cheating bastards
All the little details. The jonh deere one moves the front bucket when going uphill. Probably it could of been different if they worked their bucket too going uphill.
Not surprised with its climbing capabilities.. familiar with JD 313 skid in a rental fleet we had 6. The wheelbase is slightly different & weight is shifted more forward. This does help with climbing but driving on hard surfaces especially asphalt the machine tends to jump and bounce in turns if not careful. They were structurally strong machines but often plagued with annoying electric issues. Foot petal lockout solenoids often fail or freeze in cold, starters quit, interior instruments panels went bad, failed safety switches. Some older models had the wiper motor on cab and not the door it was a terrible design would cause the door to open and crush wiper blade. Worst part was JD couldn't supply our company a decent wire schematic for the units & parts are ridiculous expensive markup. Remember one wiper motor was somewhere around $500🙄
yeah. if you pay attention closely, the deere tilts its bucket down when at the apex of the inclines, using the weight of the bucket to bring the nose down while the others dont.
I see many of you haven't studied physics. The John Deere isn't necessarily more front heavy. Because if that was the case it would almost have the opposite problem and be prone to tipping forward on downslopes. It's not because its tilting its bucket going over the last rise because the other ones did try that trick too and it didn't work. It's about weight distribution and center of gravity. The John Deere has a wider wheelbase front to back than most of the other, especially the Bobcat. And it has its rear wheel especially set further back. Also where the loader arms attack and where the pistons attach to the frame and arms also makes a big difference. Better weight distribution and lower center of gravity. Makes a ton of difference.
It's like when my 6 year old makes up rules for a game to where she always wins. They perfectly engineered "Mt. Skidmore" for the John Deere to win. If you notice, the operator on the John Deere always levels the bucket out at the top to get just enough weight out front. That's how close it is to tipping backwards. When coming back with the "loaded" bucket, the bucket is never full. its loaded to the front to look full but it has plenty of extra room in the back for more dirt. BUT, if it had a full bucket it would tip forward going down the "mountain". Perfectly rigged to not tip either way
Love JD tractors but Bobcat is the best skid.Complete B.S. the other operators didn't roll their buckets down to make it over the moguls but the JD did.So much for good operators.
I've been working with a Case skid loader since 1989 it's a 1835c and in 2001 bought a 40xt both are very good machines! That test was mostly show, dropping the bucket at the right time will help on the hill , the new Holland missed the timing a little, the other two didn't try. Never had the chance to run a Deere ,I'm sure they would do a good job, but please "
what a joke. why don't they let the operators keep going? Because of this stupid video, I'm not buying a deere and I'm buying a CAT! Now how did your marketing pay off?
ok. so a john deer can go up a steep hill empty. But the drawback to that is it will have more of a chance of flipping over forward with the bucket full and raised? or am I missing something? The key to get the other skid steer over the hump is to attack it af full speed forward and as you approach the top of the hump begin decelerating and it will pull the front end down and once your over the crest your good. If the operaters used that technique it woudl of been a more even race.
I just wonder the difference in lift capacity since the machines that the front wheels were coming up are obviously weighted towards the rear. I've had several bobcat over the years, an 864 a t190, a t320, a t870 and a t770. Right now I have two 299d cats. I have rented a few John Deere's over the years and had no complaints but I've only used them a day here and a day there. I wouldn't recommend the cat skid steers that I have, nothing but problems.
Shouldn't they compare the same models? Long wheel base john Deere vs short wheel base everything else. S130 is almost the smallest Bobcat available but that Deere is a much larger model
We were breaking up the bottom of a pool with our Bobcat s595 in the bottom and the Deere on that was on site up top to using a buddy system to get the concrete out of the pool. Huge difference between them in every way. The Deere started tipping forward without even a full bucket 🙄
I like the way the bobcat and cat are about 20 years older than the john deere and when the get near the top of the ramp they just stop for some reason and come back down??
Good wholesome fun for the entire family!!! Where I live there is a CAT dealer within 15 minutes. The Deere dealer is 2 hours east. CAT IS THE WINNER by 120 miles!!!!!!! We never failed to complete a job because our CAT skid steer couldn't go up Mount Skidmore.
notice how the deere operator uses his bucket as weight to get of the hill and none of the other operators hardly do anything? deere is shit. cat all the way
i dunno if any of youse had noticed, but the john deere operator always kept the bucket low to the ground and had it tilted forward. the other machines operators kept there bucket higher and curled back! false advertising if ya ask me.
this is complete bs and an advertisement john deere skid steers are absolute shit and this comes from experience in working with them. bobcats are the best designed skid steer
You are very correct i've been running bobcat since I was about six and I've ran John Deere case new Holland and cat and I'm still sticking with bobcat
Check out the buck position of the Deer $hiT as it goes over the last burm. The bucket is tilt low to a negative angle to move the weight of the bucket forward and lower to the ground. Every other non Deer $hit skid steer has there front buckets position up higher. Not a fair contest at all. And yes I am a 15yr licensed skid steer operator.
I'm calling complete bull shit... JD had a factory operator when the other guys were general contractors. Notice how they didn't compete with a GEHL/mustang? Hahahahahahaha.
2:16 pay close attention. Deere operator tilts bucket down while Bobcat operator tilts bucket up. I want to see this test performed with operators unable to use the work group...
The problem is that they tip back. The JD with a higher and further forward center of gravity can decelerate at the top of the hill, and "throw" himself over the top. The others actually would work better in the real world, but they lose this test that is rigged to benefit the objectively worse machine.
there,s another video going around from 1997 that,s rigged for newholland
@@rickyp3218 Being involved in the New Holland skid steer rodeo, they were not rigged. They were machines taken from the local dealer
in a real world contingency, should the machines with normal weight distribution (rear heavy when unloaded) need to climb that steep of a hill, they could still make it, in reverse.
Our skid steers at work pop wheelies coming up on our pintle trailers all the time, you just keep the throttle down and drag the ass end on the ramps all the way up. That operator looks like he could have done the same thing to get up the hill. The dirt looks compact enough to accomplish but instead he kept letting of way to early
exactly.
You can clearly see the drivers are on two different skill levels. The Deere driver was moving his bucket to counter the weight. The others until the new holland just kept it in on position
Its true
And the John Deere tires are filled with fluid
Ya you can see him moving his bucket over ever bump
What shame
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I would like to know where they hired the operators for the competitors, common sense is to lower bucket when going over hill
This was designed for JD to win. Those other rigs have a lot of weight in the back. This was a JD commercial.
This demonstration was created by deere for a deere skid steer.... if it was a bobcat, cat, or case demonstration... they would all come in place first too
Matt McNeice if you watch close. The deere driver is properly moving his arms and bucket to make it over. The drivers of the others were not. Hence you wont make it over that engineered hill with out dropping the bucket. Lol my 9 year old noticed it before he even showed me the video. 👍
No shit Sherlock
The drivers in all the other skidsteers were not operating properly
yes. This is john deere setup stage, so what you expect :D
This was a stupid video lol.
Newhollend and John Deere skid steers are made exactly the same with different badges.
More weight in the ass end of a loader means it can lift more. i know for a fact new bobcats can out lift john deeres in the same class.
All 'competitors' of the john deere are heavier at the back (counterweight) When driving a load thats a huge advantage. Not to mention it is prohibited (safety wise) to go uphill forward with a skidsteer with no load in the bucket. No john deere for me.
Greetings, a heavy machinery safety instructor.
exactly!
Cat should of just droped his bucket and plowed right thru mount skidmore
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ButchE30M3S14 if the deere was so bad ,it didn't have a problem with the liad
I work for a rental equipment company as a driver. I promise you if you pull up with a john deere skid steer, you will be pulling back off with it. bobcat is the best by far. they also don't spend as much time in our shop.
Cat is hands down the best..but wacker neuson is a close second. Bobcat only last a while because they don't have enough power to destroy themselves.
I've been operator for a years..
What I see in this video is John Deere's tilting there bucket forward to make it over the hill, if you pay close attention to the other buckets are tilted way back to prevent it from going up the hill..
All this means is that the John Deere is front heavy
James Grier you can see deer puts the bucket down when it goes over hill
James Grier agreed
that is only party of it, the deere is front heavy. let's repeat this with the max load in the bucket
still john deer is more back heavy then anyone else in lifting buckets... but this is john deere setup stage, so what you expect :D
who cares it looks like fun to me
Now, when they break down, let's see who gets repaired quicker.
Or cheaper
Haha good point
Neither one. They are hell to work on.
The best hilarious comment so far....
Thx... Makes me grin...
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Rhis looks more like a promo-vid for John Deere, than anything else.
Lucky Charm promo for suckers. Lol. My 9 year old figured out the trick in the first time he viewed it.
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Yup. It's just an infomercial made for UA-cam instead of television.
Really?
deer driver is tilting bucket down when going over Hills. the machine is not outperforming it is driver error
Shawn P yeah ikr!!!!!
Thats what i aboit to say
I agree
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Shit who's never wheeled a bobcat and stopped. No one on the construction sites I work on...thats the fun of running them. They are Swift, turn sharp, and wheelies
Bobcat has always made great machines, we have a T300 and its a beast, love the UC as well, it has some longevity..
your right about bobcat
We have an S300, absolute beast of a machine
So obviously John deere doesn't have as much lifting capacity.
This is exactly was i was thinking, they're all over loaded except him
He he keeps putting his bucket down on the last hill gravity helping him win John Deere the Best
Watching this I wonder if all the loaders that were back heavy... could pick up a bigger load than the deere skid steer?
You'd think that would be the case from.. watching.
Give us a break. Where is Kobota? One challenge - who can keep the wheels on the ground when going over unlikely terrain. Terrain that could be modified if need be.
because this compition is rigged. They want the outcome to be JD as the top Skid machine.
This is so stupid, the Deere lowered his bucket at the top so he did flip backwards, the others didn't so they did, then the holland notices and did it the second try when he went up and it worked, the Deere was just a better driver who's not stupid and balanced the weight better..
if anyone thinks this is real read up. the driver slows down slightly at the top to put more weight on the front as it peaks over the hill. it's all operator. John deere skids do nothing better than any others
I bet the john Deere had fluid in the front tires
they didn't show case because it beat john deere 😂
exactly
Doubt that can't afford something else
Matt Thompson case machines aren’t cheap😂
@@cadestrange1735 a case TV380/TV450B is around 65-75,000 depending on spec. I’d say that’s competitively priced for the market
I dont think case makes a skid steer
02:20 john deere his bucket down, bobcat did not....
I think it's rather impressive that a baseball cap manufacturer put on such an extravagant show.
Also I don't know what you haters are all going on about. When I was an operator it was a pretty common thing to have to carry a bucket of dirt over 3 perfectly engineered and manicured hills, the last of which was really tall and pointy.
Did u notice that Deere tipped its bucket and the others didn't
ZachtheMack 21 I noticed that they actually tip their bucket back a few inches to help them lift the tires the first time they hit the hill and yeah the John Deere tipped his bucket down that's bullshit this is all promoted by John Deere though they probably put weights in the engine compartment to on the other ones cheating bastards
Tino Tarantino IKR!!!!
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We have heaps of John deer dealers in Australia but I can't recall ever seeing a John deer skid steer on any construction site I've Been on
I got punked... I just watched a John Deere commercial. :(
Yeah..me too..
This will be a great promotional video for John Deere
MorganGaming it is because its rigged!!!
for me the best is CAT
All the little details. The jonh deere one moves the front bucket when going uphill.
Probably it could of been different if they worked their bucket too going uphill.
Not surprised with its climbing capabilities.. familiar with JD 313 skid in a rental fleet we had 6. The wheelbase is slightly different & weight is shifted more forward. This does help with climbing but driving on hard surfaces especially asphalt the machine tends to jump and bounce in turns if not careful. They were structurally strong machines but often plagued with annoying electric issues. Foot petal lockout solenoids often fail or freeze in cold, starters quit, interior instruments panels went bad, failed safety switches. Some older models had the wiper motor on cab and not the door it was a terrible design would cause the door to open and crush wiper blade. Worst part was JD couldn't supply our company a decent wire schematic for the units & parts are ridiculous expensive markup. Remember one wiper motor was somewhere around $500🙄
yeah. if you pay attention closely, the deere tilts its bucket down when at the apex of the inclines, using the weight of the bucket to bring the nose down while the others dont.
It's not the machines, it's the operator. Bobcat skid loaders are great work vehicles.
Any where else you would carve the little bump down so you could get over it
fine print at bottom of screen:
This is a paid advertisement for John Deere.
pathetic.
I need this soundtrack for when I’m super constipated and working hard to get the job done.
I get the feeling that the Deere guys were driving the other brands.
So pretty much all three other skid steers can carry more of a load??? 🤔🤔
Take that same Deere with no add on"s and do the lifting competition... lol
I see many of you haven't studied physics. The John Deere isn't necessarily more front heavy. Because if that was the case it would almost have the opposite problem and be prone to tipping forward on downslopes. It's not because its tilting its bucket going over the last rise because the other ones did try that trick too and it didn't work. It's about weight distribution and center of gravity. The John Deere has a wider wheelbase front to back than most of the other, especially the Bobcat. And it has its rear wheel especially set further back. Also where the loader arms attack and where the pistons attach to the frame and arms also makes a big difference. Better weight distribution and lower center of gravity. Makes a ton of difference.
I wouldn't trade my CAT 257D for anything.
@nordhorny then you get get as many cats as you wanted
It's like when my 6 year old makes up rules for a game to where she always wins. They perfectly engineered "Mt. Skidmore" for the John Deere to win. If you notice, the operator on the John Deere always levels the bucket out at the top to get just enough weight out front. That's how close it is to tipping backwards. When coming back with the "loaded" bucket, the bucket is never full. its loaded to the front to look full but it has plenty of extra room in the back for more dirt. BUT, if it had a full bucket it would tip forward going down the "mountain". Perfectly rigged to not tip either way
I would like to see them all go uphill on reverse.
This is the worst John Deere commercial ever
Love JD tractors but Bobcat is the best skid.Complete B.S. the other operators didn't roll their buckets down to make it over the moguls but the JD did.So much for good operators.
I've been working with a Case skid loader since 1989 it's a 1835c and in 2001 bought a 40xt both are very good machines! That test was mostly show, dropping the bucket at the right time will help on the hill , the new Holland missed the timing a little, the other two didn't try. Never had the chance to run a Deere ,I'm sure they would do a good job, but please "
what a joke. why don't they let the operators keep going? Because of this stupid video, I'm not buying a deere and I'm buying a CAT! Now how did your marketing pay off?
Paul R CAT and Bobcat is the best.
Paul R fuck yeah bobcat ever
We've run just about every machine at our company: Kubota, cat, Deere, takeuchi, case, bobcat, new Holland, etc.
Cat has always been the best machine.
cat sucks who wants delayed hydraulics?
what delayed hydraulics? lol......
ok. so a john deer can go up a steep hill empty. But the drawback to that is it will have more of a chance of flipping over forward with the bucket full and raised? or am I missing something? The key to get the other skid steer over the hump is to attack it af full speed forward and as you approach the top of the hump begin decelerating and it will pull the front end down and once your over the crest your good. If the operaters used that technique it woudl of been a more even race.
1:08 making a mountain out of a molehill 🤣🤣🤣⛰️
how many steel plates were welded to the bottom of the deeres bucket lol
I can’t think of any real life scenarios where being able to drive up a grade that steep would matter.
I just wonder the difference in lift capacity since the machines that the front wheels were coming up are obviously weighted towards the rear. I've had several bobcat over the years, an 864 a t190, a t320, a t870 and a t770. Right now I have two 299d cats. I have rented a few John Deere's over the years and had no complaints but I've only used them a day here and a day there. I wouldn't recommend the cat skid steers that I have, nothing but problems.
Volvo MC115C ?
Set up look at how old the John Deer moves the front down at the top so it don't lift and the other ones dont move
I could do the course on my front tires in half the time. I could even do it after 15 beers.
Lol Come work for me then
I'll do it better after 15 beers lol
Half the time on two wheels and 15 beers, I'll pay good money to see that.
Pete Miller look up new kubota. Pay me later !!
Pete Miller it’s a new post on my channel. Scroll way down “new kubota”. Video is just for you Peter.
I dont see how anyone could get this excited for this
Shouldn't they compare the same models? Long wheel base john Deere vs short wheel base everything else. S130 is almost the smallest Bobcat available but that Deere is a much larger model
i work road construction and cant remember seeing a deere used by us or and sub contractors.
We were breaking up the bottom of a pool with our Bobcat s595 in the bottom and the Deere on that was on site up top to using a buddy system to get the concrete out of the pool. Huge difference between them in every way. The Deere started tipping forward without even a full bucket 🙄
Cat bobcat are better
i like bobcat too
Dylan Slahtovsky the deere clearly won
@@channel-fq2vl face palm
What about kobota, kolebco, and kamastu? Didn't they make a skid steer
If this isn't self-promoting by John Deere, then I don't know what is. Cat beats the shit out of Deere any day.
I know right lol
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yea john deer is junk compared to cat and the cat in this video is not rolling the bucket down as he goes over the hill
I like the way the bobcat and cat are about 20 years older than the john deere and when the get near the top of the ramp they just stop for some reason and come back down??
The John Deere has foam filled tires and the rest have air filled......this competition was RIGGED !!!!
Good wholesome fun for the entire family!!! Where I live there is a CAT dealer within 15 minutes. The Deere dealer is 2 hours east. CAT IS THE WINNER by 120 miles!!!!!!! We never failed to complete a job because our CAT skid steer couldn't go up Mount Skidmore.
notice how the deere operator uses his bucket as weight to get of the hill and none of the other operators hardly do anything? deere is shit. cat all the way
Dave Rybak yuppp!!!
Bobcat operator just needed to drop his bucket like the JD operator did and he would have been there. Set up!
No it's a lighter steer
it is evident that in this "competition" the operators of the other mini-loaders were badly conducted, in my opinion CASE is better machine.
The Amish in their bobcats would absolutely own this comp.
shit i can go over that little hill with the bobcat and win everytime.
Independent test shows that case can do that best.
Shit a asv rt40 is better than a Deere skid steer.
damn bro, I grew up on this. it's all coming back to me and it's glorious
lol
I'd just level the work area better with my excavator, duh.
skid steers are not meant to replace all equipment you are correct
Bowling green?? Is that the Ag arena in Bowling Green, KY
All this proves is that John Deere has a smaller counter weight on the back. All the others can haul more without tipping forward.
they aren't fairly showing the results if you notice the jd driver curls and uncurls the bucket to change the center of gravity
jon deere advertising
Is John D. running a weighted bucket?
Cat/Bobcat > everything else.
100%
i dunno if any of youse had noticed, but the john deere operator always kept the bucket low to the ground and had it tilted forward. the other machines operators kept there bucket higher and curled back! false advertising if ya ask me.
this is complete bs and an advertisement john deere skid steers are absolute shit and this comes from experience in working with them. bobcats are the best designed skid steer
You are very correct i've been running bobcat since I was about six and I've ran John Deere case new Holland and cat and I'm still sticking with bobcat
Deer cat and bob cat are great machines. for me cat is the best
Check out the buck position of the Deer $hiT as it goes over the last burm. The bucket is tilt low to a negative angle to move the weight of the bucket forward and lower to the ground. Every other non Deer $hit skid steer has there front buckets position up higher. Not a fair contest at all. And yes I am a 15yr licensed skid steer operator.
It's the bucket tip...JD rigged this up.
Nicholas C. Massey ikr!
Notice how the JD driver is lowering the bucket as he goes over it to counter weigh the tipping.
JD had weighted tires for sure
Have a contest of who has the most expensive parts too
They got the smallest john Deere possible
So did they swap the operator and do it again? What we comparing here?
Jd skid steer is way small than all the others
Where is Case or others in this showdown?
John Deere is junk my Bobcat will go up way steeper hills .
my cat can beat that i went up a seven foot hill with my cat
Why didn’t you include case in this competition
I have a bobcat and cat it goes up 70 digress like nothing doesn't pop a wheele
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Where is case and kubota??????????
I'm calling complete bull shit... JD had a factory operator when the other guys were general contractors. Notice how they didn't compete with a GEHL/mustang? Hahahahahahaha.
so the john deere has a heavier front end?
this is a set up its fake cat and bobcat would kick john deere to the moon any day
Do they pick random people in the audince to drive?
Where is gehl? John deer sucks!
Timothy Sternberg they didn’t put gehl in there because Deere knew they would lose to them.
2:16 pay close attention. Deere operator tilts bucket down while Bobcat operator tilts bucket up. I want to see this test performed with operators unable to use the work group...
This right Here false advertisement
can anyone say that theres added weights to the back of the machiens?
John Deere is a piece of crap. CAT all the way.
dude my cat holds a lot i site there for a minute trying to fill my bucket my cat cost me 10 thousand dollers
also, I agree...where is the case? I would like an 1845c just for the 4bt Cummins