Great as always! Honestly I've never been able to get much into Ancient Greek history because I find all the back and forth alliances between the tiny city states maddeningly confusing. I'm amazed that you managed to speed run the entire ancient history of the Peloponnese in a concise and comprehensible way.
Thanks again for your support. Yeah I feel the same way about how maddening confusing the relationships between the city states were, and it doesn't help that with Ancient Greece in particular, we start out with almost the maximum number of city-states and only see their numbers diminish much later on. And since Ancient Greece is such a foundational part of Western Civilization, just about every discrepancy of ancient text has been argued to death at some point, and often still with no good conclusion. So one of my main goals for this video (and other ones I'm working on in this series) is to really try and go beyond the few big cities like Athens, Sparta, Corinth, Thebes, and Syracuse to get to the root of the relationships between these entities.
Thanks, I have partial drafts/outlines for a number of these regions already, especially Sicily, and my goal is to at least finalize the Sicily video in the near future. I've been more focused on the Chinese history/geography videos lately though, so the Ancient Greek & Rome videos keep getting pushed back.
@@dimitrisanastopoulos8957 Yes absolutely! I'm slowly working on the drafts for the Ancient Greek videos, they've just been very hard to write given the sheer number of city-states and the complex interactions between them.
I really like your videos especially with the geographic imagery. I wonder if you would do such a video on India, just like that of China. Theres generally more of those videos on European history or the influence of geography so I appriciate you doing some more less known. I also really liked your videos on China and Iberia.
Thanks for your support - it would be really cool to do videos on India in the future, although as of now it's still a subject area that I feel like I don't know nearly enough about, especially given how complex it is with so many different cultures and belief systems. As I work on growing and doing more research though I imagine I'll eventually be able to touch on more topics related to India, and I've started to read more and more about India these past few years.
Thanks! I'd love to talk about these places eventually, although it may be a while since I have a pretty big backlog of stuff on Greece and Rome already, not to mention Chinese history plus a few other random topics that I have ideas for.
Megalopolis is where many Arcadian towns & Kingdom migrated to & them the population of Megalopolis migrated to a small town in Italy named Rome where around three other tribes lived,,, which ended up making the population into what became Rome!
Now that's what I call a romp through history! I'd like to see a parallel story about the rise and nuances of Greek culture, Hellenism, Pericles, Delphi, Homer, and so forth, but perhaps that isn't Peloponnesian specifically and the dominance of Sparta means that a cultural history of the Peloponnese alone is not possible ... I don't know enough about it ...
Thanks, appreciate the feedback! I definitely want to talk about these other topics, but since like you've mentioned this video is centered on the Peloponnese I would have to include them in other videos, such as Pericles in an Athens/Attica video and Delphi in a Thebes/Central Greece video. My original intention was to focus on the geography and only use the historical events to illustrate the geographical points, but for a society like Ancient Greece where just about every surviving rock and syllable has been analyzed to death over the centuries by scholars it's quite impossible to separate the history from the geography.
19:27 I'm loving this series. You've really done a great job... Just a minor correction since I'm obsessed with the architectural aspects of it all. This temple is in the Doric peristyle of six by fifteen external Doric columns. Internally it housed a single Corinthian Capital representing a God or supporting a statue of one. [The naos may have housed a cult statue of Apollo, although it is also surmised that the single 'proto-Corinthian' capital discovered by Charles Robert Cockerell and subsequently lost at sea, may have topped the single column that stood in the centre of the naos, and have been intended as an aniconic representation of Apollo Borealis. The temple is unusual in that it has examples of all three of the classical orders used in ancient Greek architecture: Doric, Ionic, and Corinthian.[1] Doric columns form the peristyle while Ionic columns support the interior and a single Corinthian column features in the centre of the interior.[9] The Corinthian capital is the earliest example of the order found to date.[1]] It was nevertheless an extremely extravagant building for it's time and your point is still correct.
Great stuff, love it, BUT some horrendous pronunciation must change !! Lacedaemon is voiced with a hard k, not a soft s!!! And Aegina does not rhyme with vagina 😂😂😂 but is pronounced égeena !!! With a hard g sound as in guard not a soft j …. as in gin. I’m happy to check other words too if you want me too.
Thanks for the feedback, and I agree with you regarding the pronunciations, it's just that I tried to use the anglicized pronunciations as much as possible and so ended up with these abominations. Regarding Aegina, there's online English dictionaries that pronounced it like that, so which was what I did, even though when I was making the video I noticed the rhyme with "vagina" too 😂 and cringed when I pronounced it the way I did. I will say though I much prefer the proper pronunciation, so can just try to do it for the other Ancient Greek videos I'm planning to make. Regarding Lacedaemon, I much prefer the "k" sound as well, and it's even the reason why I named my channel the Gates of "Kilikien" rather than "Cilicia". It's just that the k --> s sound shift is so prevalent in English I thought that even if I were to pronounce Lacedaemon correctly with a "k" sound I would still have to break the rule with more famous names like "Macedonia", or god forbid "Caesar". I'm not sure if you have any thoughts on how to deal with this discrepancy. One thought I had was to just pronounce the words as Greeks would pronounce them, and only make the exception for very famous places like "Macedonia" that would clearly confuse people if I didn't anglicize them.
@gatesofkilikien personally I'd just stick with greek pronunciation. Maybe make exceptions for especially famous ones(though tbh I kind of like how "Makedon" sounds) but stuff like Lasadaemonia just doesn't sound right. Latin can stick with the anglicized/church Latin style pronunciations though, I agree hard C Caesar is a bridge too far.
They were abstained from uniting into a single federation and forced into being Spartan Allies so they were pretty much Client States of Sparta until Epaminondas freed them.
Historic geography is so underestimated, that's why Im so glad you made this video
Yes totally agree that it's important and often just glossed over, especially since knowing the geography can help us remember the events too.
Great as always! Honestly I've never been able to get much into Ancient Greek history because I find all the back and forth alliances between the tiny city states maddeningly confusing. I'm amazed that you managed to speed run the entire ancient history of the Peloponnese in a concise and comprehensible way.
Thanks again for your support. Yeah I feel the same way about how maddening confusing the relationships between the city states were, and it doesn't help that with Ancient Greece in particular, we start out with almost the maximum number of city-states and only see their numbers diminish much later on. And since Ancient Greece is such a foundational part of Western Civilization, just about every discrepancy of ancient text has been argued to death at some point, and often still with no good conclusion. So one of my main goals for this video (and other ones I'm working on in this series) is to really try and go beyond the few big cities like Athens, Sparta, Corinth, Thebes, and Syracuse to get to the root of the relationships between these entities.
That was absolutely wonderful.
Now, only left with Attica, Euboea, Thessaly, Ionia, Sicily, Magna Graecia, Crete, Cyprus.
Do more!
Thanks, I have partial drafts/outlines for a number of these regions already, especially Sicily, and my goal is to at least finalize the Sicily video in the near future. I've been more focused on the Chinese history/geography videos lately though, so the Ancient Greek & Rome videos keep getting pushed back.
And Macedonia too. The Macedonian kingdom is very interesting
@@gatesofkilikienplease do ancient Macedonia. The most underrated Ancient Greek kingdom before Alexander came on the scene.
@@dimitrisanastopoulos8957 Yes absolutely! I'm slowly working on the drafts for the Ancient Greek videos, they've just been very hard to write given the sheer number of city-states and the complex interactions between them.
My little town Sicyon (modern name Kiato) made it to your video! 😊 that was very sweet! Thank you!
I really like your videos especially with the geographic imagery. I wonder if you would do such a video on India, just like that of China. Theres generally more of those videos on European history or the influence of geography so I appriciate you doing some more less known. I also really liked your videos on China and Iberia.
Thanks for your support - it would be really cool to do videos on India in the future, although as of now it's still a subject area that I feel like I don't know nearly enough about, especially given how complex it is with so many different cultures and belief systems. As I work on growing and doing more research though I imagine I'll eventually be able to touch on more topics related to India, and I've started to read more and more about India these past few years.
These are great! I'd love to see a mesopotamian one, or a Mediterranean one from prehistory to the bronze age collapse.
Thanks! I'd love to talk about these places eventually, although it may be a while since I have a pretty big backlog of stuff on Greece and Rome already, not to mention Chinese history plus a few other random topics that I have ideas for.
Megalopolis is where many Arcadian towns & Kingdom migrated to & them the population of Megalopolis migrated to a small town in Italy named Rome where around three other tribes lived,,, which ended up making the population into what became Rome!
Now that's what I call a romp through history!
I'd like to see a parallel story about the rise and nuances of Greek culture, Hellenism, Pericles, Delphi, Homer, and so forth, but perhaps that isn't Peloponnesian specifically and the dominance of Sparta means that a cultural history of the Peloponnese alone is not possible ... I don't know enough about it ...
Thanks, appreciate the feedback! I definitely want to talk about these other topics, but since like you've mentioned this video is centered on the Peloponnese I would have to include them in other videos, such as Pericles in an Athens/Attica video and Delphi in a Thebes/Central Greece video. My original intention was to focus on the geography and only use the historical events to illustrate the geographical points, but for a society like Ancient Greece where just about every surviving rock and syllable has been analyzed to death over the centuries by scholars it's quite impossible to separate the history from the geography.
19:27 I'm loving this series. You've really done a great job... Just a minor correction since I'm obsessed with the architectural aspects of it all. This temple is in the Doric peristyle of six by fifteen external Doric columns. Internally it housed a single Corinthian Capital representing a God or supporting a statue of one. [The naos may have housed a cult statue of Apollo, although it is also surmised that the single 'proto-Corinthian' capital discovered by Charles Robert Cockerell and subsequently lost at sea, may have topped the single column that stood in the centre of the naos, and have been intended as an aniconic representation of Apollo Borealis. The temple is unusual in that it has examples of all three of the classical orders used in ancient Greek architecture: Doric, Ionic, and Corinthian.[1] Doric columns form the peristyle while Ionic columns support the interior and a single Corinthian column features in the centre of the interior.[9] The Corinthian capital is the earliest example of the order found to date.[1]] It was nevertheless an extremely extravagant building for it's time and your point is still correct.
video was very informative.
Glad you think so!
Fantastic video
Thanks!
Awesome really enjoyed this, my family come from the Peloponnese elis region
Thanks 4 this mate...
Any time!
Amazing video.
Keep it up your channel will definitely grow
Thanks for your support!
Ancient Greece just seemed like multiple tribes on a small island competing and fighting each other.
holy history
3:06 I love how casually he revealed the incest
Could the decline of Mycenaean culture be attributed to the "Sea Peoples"?
They were the sea peoples or one of them at least
Great stuff, love it, BUT some horrendous pronunciation must change !! Lacedaemon is voiced with a hard k, not a soft s!!! And Aegina does not rhyme with vagina 😂😂😂 but is pronounced égeena !!! With a hard g sound as in guard not a soft j …. as in gin. I’m happy to check other words too if you want me too.
Thanks for the feedback, and I agree with you regarding the pronunciations, it's just that I tried to use the anglicized pronunciations as much as possible and so ended up with these abominations.
Regarding Aegina, there's online English dictionaries that pronounced it like that, so which was what I did, even though when I was making the video I noticed the rhyme with "vagina" too 😂 and cringed when I pronounced it the way I did. I will say though I much prefer the proper pronunciation, so can just try to do it for the other Ancient Greek videos I'm planning to make.
Regarding Lacedaemon, I much prefer the "k" sound as well, and it's even the reason why I named my channel the Gates of "Kilikien" rather than "Cilicia". It's just that the k --> s sound shift is so prevalent in English I thought that even if I were to pronounce Lacedaemon correctly with a "k" sound I would still have to break the rule with more famous names like "Macedonia", or god forbid "Caesar".
I'm not sure if you have any thoughts on how to deal with this discrepancy. One thought I had was to just pronounce the words as Greeks would pronounce them, and only make the exception for very famous places like "Macedonia" that would clearly confuse people if I didn't anglicize them.
@gatesofkilikien personally I'd just stick with greek pronunciation. Maybe make exceptions for especially famous ones(though tbh I kind of like how "Makedon" sounds) but stuff like Lasadaemonia just doesn't sound right. Latin can stick with the anglicized/church Latin style pronunciations though, I agree hard C Caesar is a bridge too far.
Arcadia was never under Spartan rule like Messenia was
They were abstained from uniting into a single federation and forced into being Spartan Allies so they were pretty much Client States of Sparta until Epaminondas freed them.
It's pronounced 'Laikadaimon'