Hi kingsandGenerals, i love your video's. They teach me more about history in detail than my school ever could 😄. Still i have one question; what is the name of the soundtrack at 14:25 ? Thanks anyway and keep making this informative video's. ❤😁👍
Thucydides was absolutely brilliant. Even if you disregard much of his history, the opening discussion of pretexts versus true causes imparts one of the great lessons of life: everyone will have a public reason for something, but often there will be something behind it which is the real reason for taking that action. If you want to deal with the other effectively, then you must identify those true causes. That's a lesson that people have been forgetting to their detriment ever since, up to the present day.
@@BoxStudioExecutive What lurked behind Russia's invasion was their fear of Ukrainian energy competing at a time when Europe was moving to electric/renewables. This move would eventually destroy the Russian economy and spell disaster for the state as a whole, so it invaded with all sorts of weird excuses and hasbombedthe energy infrastructure into a fractured mess. It's also important to keep in mind that Russia is not keen to change it's economic energy model because it's easier for it to supply gas via pipe lines opposed to generating the end product and trying to use high yield electricity lines across Ukraine to sell into Europe (this is both expensive and wasteful and Ukraine would have a natural advantage in the pricing market). Basically knowing this does not make the invasion ok, it just means Europe was more to blame then they are willing to let on and have done very little to help Ukraine defend itself from the European created problem. So far they are using Ukraine as a meat grinder as many Europeans still think of Ukraine as a former part of Russia so they have little sympathy for the costs to Ukrainian life.
I am so hyped about this series, i enjoy all of your videos, but the ones about Greek antiquity are the ones I love the most Keep up your great and extraordinary work
Here in Greece we like to think that if we didn't have never ending internal conflicts and become united for once , we would rule the world. The Peloponnesian war led to the downfall of classical Greece. The Diadochi wars led to the downfall of the Hellenistic world and paved the way for Rome to become the new superpower. The Byzantine empire was weakened mostly by internal conflicts which led to the Latins and Ottomans eventually conquering it. Civil wars during the 1821 War of Independence nearly cost the country it's own freedom. Greek civil war of 1946-1949 held back the country for decades and is still an open wound...
And more recently, less than 50 years ago, our infighting led to the Turkish invasion of Cyprus. The Junta's idiotic decision (one of many that they made) to depose Makarios gave the Turks the excuse they were looking for to invade and nearly 50 years later, half the island is still occupied... It's incredible how as a people, we are our own worst enemy...
@youreunder19dontargue29 You clearly don't know the definition of "occupation". Or you are just another butthurt that your ancestors didn't achieve what Greeks did.
I love the Peloponnesian War! Everyone should make time to read Thucydides, one of the earliest and most important historians of all time. I can't wait for the rest of this series.
Guys me being a fan from a 3rd world country that heavily taxes purchases made to another country, being a member is just not an option. This is of course not your problem but i just wanted to thank you for you uploading this for free. It means the world and i am happy and proud to be part of your fandom
OH MY GOD I AM SO HAPPY TO HAVE FOUND THIS. THE HISTORY OF THE PELOPONNESIAN WAR IS MY FAVORITE BOOK, THUCYDIDES IS ONE OF MY GREAT INFLUENCES IN UNDERSTANDING THE HUMAN NATURE. ONCE I HAD FINISHED THE BOOK, I WAS QUITE SAD TO HAVE NOT FOUND ANY GREAT MOVIES REGARDING THE WAR OR ANY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THUCYDIDES. THAT'S VERY UNFAIR, BUT UNDERSTANDABLE, GIVEN THE LENGHT OF THE BOOK, THUCYDIDES'S WRITING AND HERODOTUS' WORK. Anyway, I'm VERY, EXTREMELY thrilled for this series and very grateful that you guys made a video about it.
My favorite war to study, the original Great War! This is going to be great. I hope that The Sicilian Expedition will get the time and careful attention to detail that Thucydides (pbuh) gave it. I should mention Sphacteria, with the Spartans trapped there will be wonderful to have a visual aid to. And the plague in Athens should include Thucydides' own words when describing it. "The suffering of the inflicted seemed beyond the capacity of what human nature was meant to endure" Thucydides, loosely translated off the top of my head, describing the pain of those who were struck with that terrible disease. He was the best. I'm excited for this series! This is my jam!
I'm really glad to see this made fully available because this feels like a conflict and a period that's been so misconstrued by popular culture. We all know how screwed up the perceptions of the battle of Thermopylae are and in the case of this war you always hear about it as War Crazed Spartans vs. The Peaceful Athenians or Valiant Spartans vs. The Conniving Athenians, and we all know it's never that simple in history. Glad to learn about it in a medium that I can trust will be accurate to the events.
The reason the Athenians sided with Corfu against Corinth during the Affair of Epidamnus, despite the two city states having shared history and even allied together in the past was due to practical reasons. Corfu's navy rivaled that of Athens in the area, and the two of them combined could rival Sparta. Their delegation even pointed this out to the Athenians, thus they sided with Corfu.
You made a mistake with Samos (Samos is right next to this island that you show). This island, which you show making the revolt, is Ikaria (named from Ikarus, son of Daedalus). By the way, Ikaria is famous for the traditional atmoshpere and the thousands of young Greek people that visit the island, during summer. Awesome place!!
I've enjoyed ancient Greek history from my childhood, and I'm excited for this series! I don't know a ton about the Peloponnesian War specifically. Thank you for this one! God be with you out there everybody. ✝️ :)
May I suggest you release videos on the general context of classical Greece? For example, cavalry then did not mean people fighting while mounted - but rather paratroopers who used horses solely as means of moving fast across terrain. When cavalry came close to the enemy, hoplites dismunted and fought as a "normal" phalanx. Etc, etc...
@@Ian-yf7uf Philipp hag discovered silver mines and thus was capable to train an outstanding army full-time and it became so skilled that could operate 4-5 m sarissas. They went through Asia as a hot knife through butter. "Charging Cavalry" - what game is it from?
Wait is this true about the cavalry? I guess it makes sense,must be really hard to train horses to keep control while fighting on their back ,but I've never heard or read that .And who was the first to use cavalry the "proper" way. Fighting while mounted.
@@mikets42 🤔 you mean the companion cavalry? Before this you did not have hammer and anvil tactics where a rider with a lance would charge directly into opposing lines.
@@redsavage5997 The first "proper" cavalry was Polish ca late 17th century. They figured out a way to train their horses to charge amok. Other armies quickly learned from them. Now, all we remember is this very advanced technique and *some* think that it always was the case. Nope.
Thucydides's Trap refers to the natural, inevitable strife that occurs throughout history and time when a rising power threatens to displace a ruling power as a regional or international hegemon, the resulting power struggle makes a violent clash the rule, not the exception.
Guys I have a tip for the editors: when you make the flash-card-notes pop in, add a reverse progress bar (regress bar I guess?) to indicate the duration of the card’s stay on the screen
What I enjoy is how you can see the echos of the causes and factors outlined in the K&G's videos on the prelude to the Pacific War In the same way that both America and Japan emerged as regional hegemons in the Pacific after World War I, Athens and Sparta emerge as rival hegemons in the aftermath of the Persian War. And in both cases, you see decades worth of both powers moving pieces into place. Establishing allies and puppet states, building up their navies and ground forces, drafting war plans, you see minor greivances escalate into diplomatic incidents and one side supporting the other side's enemies.
I didn't knew that Sparta had such a restraint to fight the athenians. I thought they were the warmongering party into all this... thanks again to KG in giving such a brilliant highlight into history ❤
According to their law, Spartans were forbidden to campaign beyond their borders unless called for help. They were a very militarized society in order to protect their land and lives and not to expand beyond what was enough for them. Alliances and colonization were parts of their external policy as means of influence but expansion was a big "no".
@@HellMac "They were a very militarized society in order to protect their land and lives..." from a hundred thousand slaves. Estimated 8000 Spartiates to around 100,000 Helots at the time of the Peloponnesian War.
Slavery was established in all of the ancient world from the begining of the human organized life-from convicts to prisoners of war- because they provided cheap labour. Were the Spartans "bad people" because of that? By whom do we think the Parthenon in Athens was built? By the Athenians? How could the democratic citizens spend their whole day discussing politics and philosophy if not for the existance of thousands of slaves working hard for them? The difference was that because of their tendency to expand, Athenians could afford to have slaves from lands far away wich made them reluctant to rebel due to lack of homeland support thus the behaviour towards them was more "loose" while Spartans and Messinians were neighbours which made the first to keep a strict eye to the latter. Never try to explain social matters of the past with today's mind.
@@HellMac I've been studying ancient history for over 40 years, your'e not going to tell me anything about Sparta or the ancient world that I don't already know. I never said anything about the Spartans being bad people because of the fact that they kept slaves, nor does it have anything to do with present day ideals. I was correcting your assertion that the Spartans were militaristic in order to defend their homes from their enemies when in reality it was to maintain their lifestyle that was dependent on keeping 100,000 slaves in check. The Messinians, or any of their other neighbors, had nothing to do with it. That's why they 'declared war' against the Helots every year and taught their boys who went through the Agoge to steal from and to murder them.
@@robo5013 Same difference. If the Spartans had not conquered the Messinians then the Messinians would have (ideally) conquered the Spartans. It's still about protecting one's land and lives.
Kings and generals is always generous with the subscribers !! A new serie popping off this is just fukcing amazing !! After a shity week that come handsome !! Thanks k a g you have my full support as always !!
At about minute 8:21, the island of Ikaria was marked as Samos. Samos is the larger island to the right of Ikaria. Otherwise, a very good video - thanks for the work.
YES that what I missed in history YT! Peloponnesian war! Its gonna be another one of my favourite series on this channel! ♥ Thank you and I'm waiting for another episode.
This series is amazing. Your content is alwys remarkable from other channels. Brilliant made. We always appreciate your hard work and dedication towards these videos. Love from Sri Lanka 🇱🇰🤝🏴.
8:25 that is island of Ikaria(named after Ikaros,who according to the myth drowned there)Samos is the big island on the right(the small islands in the middle is Fournoi and Thymaina)
Instead of the focus on Potidea, the presence of athenian triremes in aid of Corcyra was more important in Thucydides's work when he explained why the war happened. Corcyra and Corinth sent envoys to Athens explaining their conduct and why Athens should or shouldn't get involved in their conflict. At the end of the day, an argument that is deemed pivotal in the start of the war is one that has defined the notion of balance of power in Europe for centuries: the spartans were convince to go to war as they saw the rising hegemony of Athens and thought that if they didn't act swiftly enough it would be too late. That is classic balance of power tunnel vision but who can blame them. Really looking forward to this series, thank you so much for finally covering it!
I've always been team Athens (democracy, theater, philosophy, navy power, and the maddening but brilliant Alcibiades) and how they lost the war from such a position of strength is incredible to me- not only that but they even fought on after suffering so many catastrophes to such an extent that Sparta had to use Persian gold to finish the war.
Idk how you could support either, Athens became a brutal empire putting down supposedly allied cities when they revolted for their own freedom, the whole point of the league was freedom from Persia Athens just replaced them
@@giningmos2338 There was a recovery after that, Sparta asked for peace a few times after losing a few major battles before the Athenian fleet was destroyed
@@kingt0295 You're correct but I prefer the Athenian mentality which always seemed more daring and progressive to Sparta's backwardness and conservatism. Also Greece had fiercely independent city states that were constantly fighting among themselves. Eventually one of them was going to end up dominating the entire country and forging a true empire whic was inevitable; unfortunately for Athens, Sparta and Thebes it wasn't them but a kingdom of pike wielding Macedonians from the north.
The Greek wars are so convoluted and intense. If one can learn the process the Greeks used, the way they thought, the twists and turns..... learning THIS war is a stepping stone to learning Rome and thus the founding of Europe. We have the advantage here, the Greeks loved to talk and they wrote much of it down.
@@christopherskipp1525 No, in English. I've had Greek for one year during Dutch high school, but that was only enough to understand the basics. Does the Greek version make for a better or different reading experience?
18:14 for some context on the legitimacy of Thucydides speeches(for which he wasn’t in attendance). Thucydides was a man of his day. He was a contemporary to many of the most famous Athenian natural philosophers, playwrights, and sophists. He was a student of rhetoric, and being a player in Athens political life, he was familiar with what sorts of rhetorical tools generals and politicians would be utilizing. He understood what a general would have to say given the situation. So kings and generals was pretty spot on with their brief description of the usefulness of Thucydides speeches
For the Greeks who see this series, I suggest reading the book "The Peloponnesian War in the 21th Century/Ο Πελοποννησιακός Πόλεμος στον 21ο Αιώνα" by Antonis Sakhpekidis/Αντώνης Σαχπεκίδης (a well-educated scholar and writer in Thessaloniki). He makes a clear analysis on the war, while also revealing parallels and comparisons to recent geopolitical events (from hegemony of the Hellenic world, to proxy wars between Athens/Korcyra and Sparta/Corinth, and to the shift of alliances between the dominant powers of the Mediterranean). Edit: For recent geopolitical events, the author mentions the British Empire and the United States as analogues to the Athenian empire during the Peloponnesian War, the creation of NATO to counter Soviet influence in Europe (Warsaw Pact), as well as NATO's expanded role in the War against Terrorism and the Iraq War after the fall of the Soviet Union, the greediness of the superpowers at the expense of third countries (e.g. the countries in the Middle-East), the fear of the power vaccuum in the event of a crisis, and the rise of a new superpower (e.g. India or China).
Please do one on the First Peloponnesian War, which is distinct from the Peloponnesian War. In the First Peloponnesian War the young Spartan king Pleistarchus fought and died.
You made a small mistake on 14:43. It’s Peloponnesian League that lost 300 men. Not the Delian league. Athens is the Delian League. It’s still beautiful the documentary
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I am so glad you've finally started this. Thank you!
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Hi kingsandGenerals, i love your video's. They teach me more about history in detail than my school ever could 😄. Still i have one question; what is the name of the soundtrack at 14:25 ? Thanks anyway and keep making this informative video's. ❤😁👍
the damn flashing is so annoying
Thucydides was absolutely brilliant. Even if you disregard much of his history, the opening discussion of pretexts versus true causes imparts one of the great lessons of life: everyone will have a public reason for something, but often there will be something behind it which is the real reason for taking that action. If you want to deal with the other effectively, then you must identify those true causes. That's a lesson that people have been forgetting to their detriment ever since, up to the present day.
You see it constantly today, when Russia invaded Ukraine.
@@BoxStudioExecutive'dEnAzIfIcAtIoN' 😂😂
@@BoxStudioExecutive What lurked behind Russia's invasion was their fear of Ukrainian energy competing at a time when Europe was moving to electric/renewables.
This move would eventually destroy the Russian economy and spell disaster for the state as a whole, so it invaded with all sorts of weird excuses and hasbombedthe energy infrastructure into a fractured mess.
It's also important to keep in mind that Russia is not keen to change it's economic energy model because it's easier for it to supply gas via pipe lines opposed to generating the end product and trying to use high yield electricity lines across Ukraine to sell into Europe (this is both expensive and wasteful and Ukraine would have a natural advantage in the pricing market).
Basically knowing this does not make the invasion ok, it just means Europe was more to blame then they are willing to let on and have done very little to help Ukraine defend itself from the European created problem. So far they are using Ukraine as a meat grinder as many Europeans still think of Ukraine as a former part of Russia so they have little sympathy for the costs to Ukrainian life.
@@flackstar007 But didn't the Russian invasion only increase the motivation for Europeans to switch to non-Russian energy sources?
I am so hyped about this series, i enjoy all of your videos, but the ones about Greek antiquity are the ones I love the most
Keep up your great and extraordinary work
Thank you Kings and Generals for this!
Please make more of Greek history!
Why no one replying to this comment?
We love Greek history!
@@Jack-pf6lv - Why would anyone have to? There was nothing to prompt a response or anything.
Its the same thing. Just Think Greek.
What lane should one in your [home/work life] role be blocking?
This series was amazing, Im glad everyone else now is able to enjoy this! :)
This channel is amazing
Seriously! Since reading Donald Kagan's book the Peloponnesian War I've been dying to watch this series. Thanks again Kings and Generals!
Yes from 2 years I'm watching it but I'm disappointed in members only vodeos and he's low loading for us old supporters
And his using religious conflicts he should said contry like ottomans not Muslims
I like him and his sound
Here in Greece we like to think that if we didn't have never ending internal conflicts and become united for once , we would rule the world. The Peloponnesian war led to the downfall of classical Greece. The Diadochi wars led to the downfall of the Hellenistic world and paved the way for Rome to become the new superpower. The Byzantine empire was weakened mostly by internal conflicts which led to the Latins and Ottomans eventually conquering it. Civil wars during the 1821 War of Independence nearly cost the country it's own freedom. Greek civil war of 1946-1949 held back the country for decades and is still an open wound...
Yup. The Greeks' worst enemies were (and are) themselves.
@youreunder19dontargue29 Not even close.
And more recently, less than 50 years ago, our infighting led to the Turkish invasion of Cyprus. The Junta's idiotic decision (one of many that they made) to depose Makarios gave the Turks the excuse they were looking for to invade and nearly 50 years later, half the island is still occupied... It's incredible how as a people, we are our own worst enemy...
@youreunder19dontargue29 You clearly don't know the definition of "occupation". Or you are just another butthurt that your ancestors didn't achieve what Greeks did.
@@dimitriskouimtsidis2839Yes, that was glaringly stupid. Now, a bunch of Turks are squatting on the northern half of said island.
(As a Greek) 6:38 the island that you showed wasn't Dilos but Skiros. Dilos is left from Mykonos in Cyclades.
at 8:30 he also shows Ikaria instead of Samos
@@constantineg4205 you are also right brother.
WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT THE ONLY GREEKS on here are both named Constatine? Next one here will be a Nickolas ;)
@@SuperChuckRaney and possibly the other 23 (or 22) people that liked my comment ;-P
Good observations.
I love the Peloponnesian War! Everyone should make time to read Thucydides, one of the earliest and most important historians of all time. I can't wait for the rest of this series.
Happy to see you tackling the Peloponnesian Wars - so many more to come!
Guys me being a fan from a 3rd world country that heavily taxes purchases made to another country, being a member is just not an option. This is of course not your problem but i just wanted to thank you for you uploading this for free. It means the world and i am happy and proud to be part of your fandom
You have a wonderful outlook. Poor countries shape good minds. You are very rich…
Oh hell yes! This is a hugely important war that could use more coverage. Stoked for this series!
OH MY GOD I AM SO HAPPY TO HAVE FOUND THIS. THE HISTORY OF THE PELOPONNESIAN WAR IS MY FAVORITE BOOK, THUCYDIDES IS ONE OF MY GREAT INFLUENCES IN UNDERSTANDING THE HUMAN NATURE. ONCE I HAD FINISHED THE BOOK, I WAS QUITE SAD TO HAVE NOT FOUND ANY GREAT MOVIES REGARDING THE WAR OR ANY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THUCYDIDES. THAT'S VERY UNFAIR, BUT UNDERSTANDABLE, GIVEN THE LENGHT OF THE BOOK, THUCYDIDES'S WRITING AND HERODOTUS' WORK.
Anyway, I'm VERY, EXTREMELY thrilled for this series and very grateful that you guys made a video about it.
My favorite war to study, the original Great War! This is going to be great. I hope that The Sicilian Expedition will get the time and careful attention to detail that Thucydides (pbuh) gave it. I should mention Sphacteria, with the Spartans trapped there will be wonderful to have a visual aid to.
And the plague in Athens should include Thucydides' own words when describing it.
"The suffering of the inflicted seemed beyond the capacity of what human nature was meant to endure" Thucydides, loosely translated off the top of my head, describing the pain of those who were struck with that terrible disease. He was the best.
I'm excited for this series! This is my jam!
Exceptional first episode to this series. Amazing storytelling of this iconic age in world history. Can’t wait to watch the next ones.
Greek history will always get a major thumbs up from me 👍
The island in revolt shown is not Samos, but Ikaria, small mistake but worth pointing out
@@Iason29 I am Greek
@@aproudeuropean559 lol
I'm really glad to see this made fully available because this feels like a conflict and a period that's been so misconstrued by popular culture. We all know how screwed up the perceptions of the battle of Thermopylae are and in the case of this war you always hear about it as War Crazed Spartans vs. The Peaceful Athenians or Valiant Spartans vs. The Conniving Athenians, and we all know it's never that simple in history. Glad to learn about it in a medium that I can trust will be accurate to the events.
Just finished Pressfield's series on the Greek Wars, great timing!
The reason the Athenians sided with Corfu against Corinth during the Affair of Epidamnus, despite the two city states having shared history and even allied together in the past was due to practical reasons. Corfu's navy rivaled that of Athens in the area, and the two of them combined could rival Sparta. Their delegation even pointed this out to the Athenians, thus they sided with Corfu.
Was indeed in Athens' interest.
Thanks!
You made a mistake with Samos (Samos is right next to this island that you show). This island, which you show making the revolt, is Ikaria (named from Ikarus, son of Daedalus). By the way, Ikaria is famous for the traditional atmoshpere and the thousands of young Greek people that visit the island, during summer. Awesome place!!
So it's a party island?
This series was one of the reason i became a channel member. i love your work. Thank you.
I've enjoyed ancient Greek history from my childhood, and I'm excited for this series! I don't know a ton about the Peloponnesian War specifically. Thank you for this one!
God be with you out there everybody. ✝️ :)
Thank you for explaining what countless lessons at school failed to explain when going over Greek history.
May I suggest you release videos on the general context of classical Greece? For example, cavalry then did not mean people fighting while mounted - but rather paratroopers who used horses solely as means of moving fast across terrain. When cavalry came close to the enemy, hoplites dismunted and fought as a "normal" phalanx. Etc, etc...
What's interesting is Phillip changing the phalanx and developing charging cavalry and how devastating that was for Greek city states.
@@Ian-yf7uf Philipp hag discovered silver mines and thus was capable to train an outstanding army full-time and it became so skilled that could operate 4-5 m sarissas. They went through Asia as a hot knife through butter. "Charging Cavalry" - what game is it from?
Wait is this true about the cavalry? I guess it makes sense,must be really hard to train horses to keep control while fighting on their back ,but I've never heard or read that .And who was the first to use cavalry the "proper" way. Fighting while mounted.
@@mikets42 🤔 you mean the companion cavalry? Before this you did not have hammer and anvil tactics where a rider with a lance would charge directly into opposing lines.
@@redsavage5997 The first "proper" cavalry was Polish ca late 17th century. They figured out a way to train their horses to charge amok. Other armies quickly learned from them. Now, all we remember is this very advanced technique and *some* think that it always was the case. Nope.
I have to admit seeing this series motivated me to purchase some translations of the primary sources for my own reading.
Thucydides's Trap refers to the natural, inevitable strife that occurs throughout history and time when a rising power threatens to displace a ruling power as a regional or international hegemon, the resulting power struggle makes a violent clash the rule, not the exception.
Thank you so much for making this accessible to regular viewers, guys. Absolutely wonderful of you.
Guys I have a tip for the editors: when you make the flash-card-notes pop in, add a reverse progress bar (regress bar I guess?) to indicate the duration of the card’s stay on the screen
I've been waiting for this for soooo long!!! Thank you!
Lets goooooo!!! It always amazes me that there aren' more documentaries on this period of history
Thank you KnG for this! Few channels cover this series!
What I enjoy is how you can see the echos of the causes and factors outlined in the K&G's videos on the prelude to the Pacific War
In the same way that both America and Japan emerged as regional hegemons in the Pacific after World War I, Athens and Sparta emerge as rival hegemons in the aftermath of the Persian War.
And in both cases, you see decades worth of both powers moving pieces into place. Establishing allies and puppet states, building up their navies and ground forces, drafting war plans, you see minor greivances escalate into diplomatic incidents and one side supporting the other side's enemies.
And now the same thing is repeating itself in the South China Sea..
The Island you portray as Delos is Skyros in Sporades. Delos belongs to The Cyclades and it's much lower, next to Mykonos.
I didn't knew that Sparta had such a restraint to fight the athenians. I thought they were the warmongering party into all this... thanks again to KG in giving such a brilliant highlight into history ❤
According to their law, Spartans were forbidden to campaign beyond their borders unless called for help. They were a very militarized society in order to protect their land and lives and not to expand beyond what was enough for them. Alliances and colonization were parts of their external policy as means of influence but expansion was a big "no".
@@HellMac "They were a very militarized society in order to protect their land and lives..." from a hundred thousand slaves. Estimated 8000 Spartiates to around 100,000 Helots at the time of the Peloponnesian War.
Slavery was established in all of the ancient world from the begining of the human organized life-from convicts to prisoners of war- because they provided cheap labour. Were the Spartans "bad people" because of that? By whom do we think the Parthenon in Athens was built? By the Athenians? How could the democratic citizens spend their whole day discussing politics and philosophy if not for the existance of thousands of slaves working hard for them? The difference was that because of their tendency to expand, Athenians could afford to have slaves from lands far away wich made them reluctant to rebel due to lack of homeland support thus the behaviour towards them was more "loose" while Spartans and Messinians were neighbours which made the first to keep a strict eye to the latter.
Never try to explain social matters of the past with today's mind.
@@HellMac I've been studying ancient history for over 40 years, your'e not going to tell me anything about Sparta or the ancient world that I don't already know. I never said anything about the Spartans being bad people because of the fact that they kept slaves, nor does it have anything to do with present day ideals. I was correcting your assertion that the Spartans were militaristic in order to defend their homes from their enemies when in reality it was to maintain their lifestyle that was dependent on keeping 100,000 slaves in check. The Messinians, or any of their other neighbors, had nothing to do with it. That's why they 'declared war' against the Helots every year and taught their boys who went through the Agoge to steal from and to murder them.
@@robo5013 Same difference. If the Spartans had not conquered the Messinians then the Messinians would have (ideally) conquered the Spartans. It's still about protecting one's land and lives.
Glad to finally start seeing this series. Can't wait for the rest of the series.
Kings and generals is always generous with the subscribers !! A new serie popping off this is just fukcing amazing !! After a shity week that come handsome !! Thanks k a g you have my full support as always !!
Best video of this year, absolutely marvelous, thanks Team
Great stuff, excited for more content about the Peloponnesian Wars!!
At about minute 8:21, the island of Ikaria was marked as Samos. Samos is the larger island to the right of Ikaria.
Otherwise, a very good video - thanks for the work.
I’ve been hoping for a Peloponnesian war series from you guys for years, so excited!
I love ancient history, so I already know this is going to be one of my favourite series on UA-cam. Thank you Kings and Generals!
YES that what I missed in history YT! Peloponnesian war! Its gonna be another one of my favourite series on this channel! ♥ Thank you and I'm waiting for another episode.
I saw this pop up on my feed and I could not click to watch fast enough.
Thank you for such amazing content for so many years.
Brilliant video, I hope you continue and finish this series👏👏
Amazing video. You're a big inspiration to me!
Can't wait for the full documentary love your videos
This series is amazing. Your content is alwys remarkable from other channels. Brilliant made. We always appreciate your hard work and dedication towards these videos. Love from Sri Lanka 🇱🇰🤝🏴.
Thanks K&G for this series. I hope Phormio the best admiral of the war will be covered.
8:25 that is island of Ikaria(named after Ikaros,who according to the myth drowned there)Samos is the big island on the right(the small islands in the middle is Fournoi and Thymaina)
I have been waiting this series for so long. Only say thanks to all the team of KaG for bring importants passages of the history to us.
We study this in class, I will use this for my students. Much thanks for the series!
Amazing Topic and amazing video, glad the public can enjoy it like I did as a Channel member!!
A minor mistake at 8:33 the reported as Samos is Ikaria. Samos is the big Island next to (East) Ikaria
Very interested to hear the details K&G include. ty for the content!
Excellent writing and narration.
I'm so excited for this series, having the world's greatest warriors this world has ever seen, long live 300 🙌
Love the videos, and thank you for not putting a paywall on history, but doing it in a way the benefits all ❤
Wow - so much potential content - Sicilian Expedition, Pylos, Naupactus, Siege of Platea etc
Hey kings and generals, this content is what makes y'all great
Awesome topic! Thank you!
Do my eyes deceive me? A Peloponnesian War series? I've been dreaming of this ever since I finished reading Thucydides!
Instead of the focus on Potidea, the presence of athenian triremes in aid of Corcyra was more important in Thucydides's work when he explained why the war happened. Corcyra and Corinth sent envoys to Athens explaining their conduct and why Athens should or shouldn't get involved in their conflict.
At the end of the day, an argument that is deemed pivotal in the start of the war is one that has defined the notion of balance of power in Europe for centuries: the spartans were convince to go to war as they saw the rising hegemony of Athens and thought that if they didn't act swiftly enough it would be too late. That is classic balance of power tunnel vision but who can blame them.
Really looking forward to this series, thank you so much for finally covering it!
Such a great series
Will you do a general video on how a battle in this war looked like, how tactics changed and about different types of soldiers like hoplites?
I've always been team Athens (democracy, theater, philosophy, navy power, and the maddening but brilliant Alcibiades) and how they lost the war from such a position of strength is incredible to me- not only that but they even fought on after suffering so many catastrophes to such an extent that Sparta had to use Persian gold to finish the war.
Idk how you could support either, Athens became a brutal empire putting down supposedly allied cities when they revolted for their own freedom, the whole point of the league was freedom from Persia Athens just replaced them
lol, all they had to do was not invade sicily, and they could have potentially won or prolong the war enough to cause a peace settlement
@@giningmos2338 There was a recovery after that, Sparta asked for peace a few times after losing a few major battles before the Athenian fleet was destroyed
@@kingt0295 You're correct but I prefer the Athenian mentality which always seemed more daring and progressive to Sparta's backwardness and conservatism. Also Greece had fiercely independent city states that were constantly fighting among themselves. Eventually one of them was going to end up dominating the entire country and forging a true empire whic was inevitable; unfortunately for Athens, Sparta and Thebes it wasn't them but a kingdom of pike wielding Macedonians from the north.
@@kingt0295 Yeah both sides were terrible.
I have been waiting for this series for sooo long.
if anyone is looking for the song that starts at 19:45 it is called "The long way home" its made by hampus naeselius
The Greek wars are so convoluted and intense. If one can learn the process the Greeks used, the way they thought, the twists and turns..... learning THIS war is a stepping stone to learning Rome and thus the founding of Europe.
We have the advantage here, the Greeks loved to talk and they wrote much of it down.
Thank you so much for more Ancient Greece 🙏
"Tides of war". Really great book about this war.
Great video! However in 7:23 the Perace you are refering to is valled the Peace of Callias not Antalkideios, which happened in the 4th century BC
This content was amazing, I love your videos and thank you for so much for adding this to the non members also. Thanks and amend amazing content.
Would love to see a series on Greek colonies, how they were established by various cities, what locals thought if them, etc.
Ooo, awesome, I read The Peloponnesian War just this year! It will be great to review the content with additional modern day knowledge.
Watched this in a pub's beer garden on a sunny English friday afternoon. What a way to spend a Friday!
I love these series! Thucydides was one of the first books I ever fully read. Can recommend to all people interested in classical history
Do you read it in the original Greek?
@@christopherskipp1525 No, in English. I've had Greek for one year during Dutch high school, but that was only enough to understand the basics. Does the Greek version make for a better or different reading experience?
@Oshidashi I would submit that reading it in Greek would be quite different than in a translation.
You're doing a million dollar job. Keep it up. This is the way
Interesting as per usual from this channel.
I love your videos. Please make more. Thank you and have nice day
4:35 Athens = NATO , Sparta = Warsaw Pact. You are right.
Its very telling when the exact same thing is being played out until now.
Overall it's a great episode the only tiny mistake is that Mytilene wasn't an Ionian city it was actually an aeolian city
Bravo. Kudos.
Ex member here:
So glad to see this available to all ✨♥️.
Good watch, thanks!
18:14 for some context on the legitimacy of Thucydides speeches(for which he wasn’t in attendance). Thucydides was a man of his day. He was a contemporary to many of the most famous Athenian natural philosophers, playwrights, and sophists. He was a student of rhetoric, and being a player in Athens political life, he was familiar with what sorts of rhetorical tools generals and politicians would be utilizing. He understood what a general would have to say given the situation. So kings and generals was pretty spot on with their brief description of the usefulness of Thucydides speeches
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This is my favourite time in history. Thank you 😁
please do more ancient greece there is so much good stuff, all the way back to achaemenid influence and Ionian revolt.
For the Greeks who see this series, I suggest reading the book "The Peloponnesian War in the 21th Century/Ο Πελοποννησιακός Πόλεμος στον 21ο Αιώνα" by Antonis Sakhpekidis/Αντώνης Σαχπεκίδης (a well-educated scholar and writer in Thessaloniki). He makes a clear analysis on the war, while also revealing parallels and comparisons to recent geopolitical events (from hegemony of the Hellenic world, to proxy wars between Athens/Korcyra and Sparta/Corinth, and to the shift of alliances between the dominant powers of the Mediterranean).
Edit: For recent geopolitical events, the author mentions the British Empire and the United States as analogues to the Athenian empire during the Peloponnesian War, the creation of NATO to counter Soviet influence in Europe (Warsaw Pact), as well as NATO's expanded role in the War against Terrorism and the Iraq War after the fall of the Soviet Union, the greediness of the superpowers at the expense of third countries (e.g. the countries in the Middle-East), the fear of the power vaccuum in the event of a crisis, and the rise of a new superpower (e.g. India or China).
Great work !
Any content I can get on Greek History is sorely welcomed!
I'm glad that they're bringing out member only videos to the general public. Although I do want to see that " How historical is the Mahabharata" vid😂
What video is that?
15:48 according to my count in battle about 8000 Delian troops participated
That’s a lot.
Please do one on the First Peloponnesian War, which is distinct from the Peloponnesian War. In the First Peloponnesian War the young Spartan king Pleistarchus fought and died.
I was about to become a member for this series😂😂 I will be soon nonetheless thanks KnG❤❤
Great video!
You made a small mistake on 14:43. It’s Peloponnesian League that lost 300 men. Not the Delian league. Athens is the Delian League. It’s still beautiful the documentary
I’m glad you’re releasing old members only contebt
Fantastic videos on this channel
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
Even though I've already seen this, no harm ever came from watching a K&G video twice :)