MJ told John Thompson in an interview that he doesn't play for stats. He said if he wanted stats he never would've never retired to play baseball. MJ said he never cared about stats he only cares about rings
What's crazy is MJ did all he did in 15 yrs technically 13 and Lebron has been playn ova 20 yrs and still hasn't come close to MJ ion even know how this shit came about frfr
@@negrodamus323No he's not. LJ statistical achievements are mostly based on longevity. If LJ has played in the 80s or 90s he wouldn't have played anymore than 15 seasons at best, only my opinion. The finesse focus of the league now enables him to play as long as he has. If Jordan played in LJ's era, Jordan would have at least 10 titles and played 20 years. All stats would have been blown to dust.
In my opinion, Jordan's purpose was only to win. That was his top priority and goal, first and foremost. Every other accolade that came along with this mentality was a bonus as an extra feather in his cap. I believe nothing else mattered more than winning to him, and he played that way and did it extremely well. Cheers👍🏽
@@shawnsockwell9181He wants to win too, but he just doesn’t have that killer / win at all cost mentality. Either you have it or you don’t and he doesn’t.
@@HasanMustafaa-en1tj Bill Russel won in an era with very few teams, less and shorter playoff series and frankly against mostly bums. I respect Bill Russel but those 11 chips are overrated.
On the court and off the court as well as Michael Jordan's name 22 year's after his final retirement his name and greatness are still rolling out of people's mouths every day!!!
Have a look at some of the categories for Michael Jordan that have a lead on LeBron (it's just mind-boggling that some fans still believe LeBron is the Greatest of All Time) Scoring Titles (best avg. pts per game) 10-1 for MJ Steals Champ 3-0 for MJ Reg. Season Career PPG 30.1 - 27.1 for MJ Playoffs PPG 33.4 - 28.5 for MJ Reg. Season MVP - 5-4 for MJ Finals MVP 6-4 for MJ Championships 6-4 for MJ Dunk Contest Champ 1987 & 1988 & 2-0 for MJ Rookie of the Year 1984/85 for MJ Olympics 2 Gold Medals for MJ I didn't feel like covering every single statistic. These 10 are good enough.
Michael Jordan is the only player that I've heard say the phrase "my craft" when talking about his philosophy and methodology. That man truly loved the ART of Basketball and his game ALWAYS looked like an artist that had perfected his craft✨💯🐐
MJ has some things in his resume that ain't in the stats that basically turned him into a, not just NBA, but a sports God. Leading 1 team to 2 three peats and really never letting the fans down when he was fully revved up. Lebron has some stinkers fully revved up. The stat totals won't tell you that story. He also never really required offensive help to save him in multiple series, you can see that in the stats, but you really gotta look hard. Lebrons greatness comes and goes based on his teammates offensive help
MJ wasn't chasing anyone. He had nothing to prove. He wouldn't claim to be the GOAT. He was awarded the term by his peers and the fans, even the ones who hated him. Black Jesus could walk on air. His Airness was unimpeachable. Period.
What was considered "legacy " talk back then was not winning a chip, but Back to Back chips. Then a team can say that for a period of time, they had a dynasty. And it makes sense in how championship teams are viewed. Take the Spurs. Would they had more respect if they had won in back to backs rather than every other year?
MJ was so clutch that he would CONSISTENTLY finish the play with about 2 sec or less on the shot clock! Man Kobe was the last of that breed Watching Lebron play with his lack of game has actually made me appreciate Kobe even more + appreciate Kobe’s approach to the game even more.
Good points made.🙂 Michael Jordan is definitely an iconic, winning basketball player, hard-working professional athlete and trailblazing businessman. Legendary Kobe Bryant was the closest to MJ. (RIP) They were consistently "must-see" tv for years. As a fan, I'm glad I got to see their successful careers unfold! Lebron James is a future HOF and a very good player. But, MJ and Kobe's game-playing style and basketball journeys were more compelling to watch.
@ctbcardinal Good point. Allen Iverson was a great Hall of Fame basketball player. --He was inspired by Michael Jordan. He also respected and loved Kobe's game and competitiveness.
Not sure if this is common knowledge but I will put it out here because it goes to the whole "LeBron makes his teammates better" bullshit. The year before joining the Heat in 2009-2010, DWade was 5th in ppg, 10th in apg and 5th in spg. Had a VORP of #2 in the league. Chris Bosh was 9th in ppg, 6th in rpg and finished 12th in MVP voting. In 2013-2014 (year before joining the Cavs) Kevin Love was 4th in ppg, 3rd in rpg and 3rd in VORP. Kyrie Irving was 14th in ppg, 13th in apg, 13th in FT% and was all star game MVP. In 2018-2019 year before joining LA, Anthony Davis was 9th in ppg, 8th in rpg, 2nd in bpg. 2020-2021, year before joining LA, Russell Westbrook was 6th in rpg, 1st in apg and 19th in VORP. There have been a plethora of other players to join LeBron over the years and had the same problem. He didnt know how to maximize these great teammates. Almost all these players roles were diminished or altered in a bad way. He could never just dominate the league from start to finish. He needed and got a lot of help. In 2012 Finals, he got 35 3 pointers from bench/role players. Thats 7 a game in 2012 was unreal. In 2013 Finals, he got 51 3 pointers from bench role/players, which is over 7 per game. In 2016 Finals, he got 27.1 ppg from his sidekick and in 2020, he got 25 ppg and 10.7 rpg, and 2 bpg in the bubble. So essentially it takes this kind of help for him to win. Just sad people overlook these things, and i can show them the 1997 playoffs where 1 player had more than 8 ppg for the entire playoffs. Just unheard of lack of help for a championship team
Wow i just listened to the clip you played of MJ talking about stats. He said in 20 years people may not remember me. Hello its 20 years later and people can't stop talking abouti Mike?
Caller at 35:50 mark made a whole lot of sense. Im a true Lakers fan and I was not a Kobe fan for a years. All that changed and he became my favorite player of all time. In my opinion he is most skilled and the Goat ! ✔ Laker4life8/24
Before mobile phones, Man I used to race home to watch those pregames on NBC and MJ stride up in slow mo. Thank God for UA-cam. I get to relive them days.
Jordan in my opinion, was one of the first accessible superstars. Magic and Bird had a lot of national games, but Jordan was on WGN every night if you had cable. So a lot of us seen a shit load of Bulls games just by having it on tv as background noise...LOL
I think one thing that gets left out of the conversation regarding MJ is TIMING. He was the perfect person, with the perfect game, attitude, persona, charisma, style, work ethic, attention to detail, intangibles and relentless will to win at the right time....MJ WAS THE PERFECT STORM FOR THE NBA. The league needed someone to take over and become the FACE after the MAGIC AND BIRD era...MJ came in at the PERFECT TIME and took over. Let's remember they were other great players at that time as well who just weren't the PERFECT BLEND that MJ was. Think about this example for a moment: Would Kobe (May he continue to R.I.Paradise) had been born 10 years earlier and had been in the prime era of MJ...would he have been the KOBE MAMBA MENTALITY BRYANT we now know him as? He would of been still great in my opinion but without MJ as his blueprint and his rival he doesn't have the same outcomes he had. Sometimes what makes one great is TIMING...AGAIN MJ WAS THE PERFECT STORM!! Carry On...
Facts. Kobe was in line to step right in as the next face of the league with all the same characteristics until the Denver situation. After that they tried to put him on the back burner and pushed the hell outta LeBron because of his cleaner image.
@@stephenpowell1726 Agreed! I was and still am a HUGE MAMBA FAN...and in hindsight that Denver situation may had been the best thing to happen to his career. Yes, the media and many fans left him and abandoned him, and him and his family took a HUGE hit...especially his marriage. But, he went to ANOTHER LEVEL because with guys who are wired mentally like Kobe and MJ the worse thing to do is give them SOMETHING TO PROVE AND A CHIP ON THEIR SHOULDER. Kobe took that situation and turned into DA MAMBA...and the world has been better for it.
I think what many people miss or misunderstand about Michael Jordan are three (3) things: 1. He took any criticisms of any (perceived) Weaknesses and made them new Strengths. Not for public approval, but for himself. 2. He was a good in the clutch - NOT because he made clutch shots - but because he played to ensure that Clutch Shots would be an option to win. He didn’t like losing and did not accept consecutive failures. Clutch shots only happen when games are close. The fact that he was a “clutch shooter” is small in comparison to the work he put into 4th quarters to make them significant. 3. He wasn’t built or born naturally talented in basketball. [see #1] He practiced like a man possessed. And he actually wanted fierce competition to test himself against. To “Be Like Mike” is to spend your life in the gym and making practices WAR.
I agree with all except the beginning of 3. He was built and born naturally talented for B.ball… God given ability, The size of his hands, wingspan, athleticism, you can work to improve your athleticism, but those are God given gifts and talent
@@casiemny1219 That’s the misunderstanding I’m talking about - and its especially important for young kids (like my son) to learn this lesson. There are a great deal of people his size and can palm a basketball like he can. Many can play well. Some are really good. A few - less than 1% - will make it to the NBA. He may have been built to play basketball, but no one is built to be great. MJ was cut from his high school basketball team. So, numbers #1, 2 & 3 all tie together. Maybe I could have worded it differently, but “no one is built to be GREAT” was my point.
The thing that made Jordan so great was the fact that he could do everything without being the primary ball handler. In today's game you have to have the ball to be able to play which takes away from other players on the team. If you're the 3rd star on a team with Jordan you'll get the ball and be able to play your normal game. The Lakers had Kareem, Magic , and Worthy, the all worked well together, everyone was involved and they consistently won. LeBron's 3rd option is sitting over in the corner excluded from the offense like Chris Bosh or Kevin Love. They were still good but couldn't play their normal game. People forget how Love was averaging 26 pts 12 rebs per game in Minnesota. Nothing wrong with being the 3rd option if you can still play your game but he was in the corner shooting 3s when he was mainly playing in the post. I know he won a title with LeBron but the fact that he was left high and dry stuck in Cleveland had to make him feel used.
@@stephenpowell1726He makes role players better, I'm talking more about the a 3rd star. Both Bosh and Love numbers dropped tremendously in points and rebounds but they won rings. Jordan made others better as well, drawing in defenders so guys like Kukoc, Paxson, and Kerr will have wide open shots. The difference is LeBron plays with the ball and Jordan plays off the ball.
I don't know what one of your callers is smoking but no way in hell was Kobe a better athlete then MJ. Kobe was a watered down version of MJ, nothing he did was better then the GOAT. Period point blank!
It just dropped in my head as I was talking. But it's true, he is offering us something we know is cheap and less than his peers MJ and Kobe and he doesn't understand why no one accepts it.
I got to say that you, and Charles on Dreamer's Pro have some of the best takes when it comes to talking basketball. It would be kind of dope if you two could collab. Great show though bro!!!
I just found ypur channel yesterday and I wish i could have called in to your live. Being from Chicago I'm amazed that MJ is still the hot topic and keeping the league relevant. BTW that Lakers fan mentioned how Lebron got swepted in playoffs but not the greats. Please remember Kobe got swepted his last year.
Michael Jordan was called the GOAT in his 2nd year in the league. You gotta do ya history gang. No one was called that until MJ showed up remember that!!!!
Yeah, that Cain and Abel reference is the greatest analogy for this situation. I just said a day or so ago, that Mike made Scottie. Made him join the breakfast club. To get him stronger and mentally prepared for war. He didn’t go grab a player that was number one on his team or an all out all star. Rodman was an outcast from his team. Jordan made him fall in line and gave him the confidence to just go out and do what you do best. They also let him be himself. That takes a LEADER. Scottie was great, but Mj made him believe that. You see what happened when the leader left…”I got a migraine” “I ain’t going back in the game, cause that play should be for me”. LeBron manufactured his rings. Let me get a player who already just won a championship. Let me also grab an all star, number one player on his team, in Toronto. Then Ray Allen won them that one chip, Kyrie won him the 3rd chip and do we really count the intramural bubble gum one? Come on man. LeBron claiming he’s the GOAT cause of more points, and coming back from 3-1? Against a Draymond less Golden State??? That’s your indictment for being the GOAT?? Not even close to MJ
Look Bro, you broke the real down so truthfully about Bron's defensive disappearance, it's unreal. Kobe is undoubtedly GOAT #2, because of his SEASONAL defense to match his offensive output. Bron RARELY, RARELY ever had the defensive output in the playoffs, especially against Dallas. You had more input accuracy as to the coaching and GMing aspects of the game than most former players. Big ups to you brother, keep doing what you're doing. You're heating up the PodCast game. Thanks.
Whenever they mention Clutch Shots I’m more concerned about the percentage of those shots. If I have “20” Clutch Shots but it takes me 100 attempts to make those “20” then I’m not very Clutch. 1 out of every 5 shots ain’t gonna cut it. Just saying. 🙂
Jordan is like this, everytime i step on the court its my last game. So let me give everything to this game on every game. And the thing that really gets me is that he played better in the playoffs and finals than the refular season. Jordan played the game within the game. Evey shoe jordan has worn has a classic moment attached to it. He earned his spot...period. did not jump team to team, but perseverance is everything. And when he got to the finals he never lost. Never a game 7 in the finals and only one game 7 in 1998 against the Pacers. Plus Jordan was so confident in that series he told yall"they got to come through Chicago." Cmon son, plus Jordan was so nasty you could hit him in mid air and he would switch up and still make the shot. The "And one" came from him after so many shots made after the foul. Never seen a player like him exact before and after. Kobe is the only one who came close and he got 5 championships. Its a out focus, i dont want to be your friend i want to win. For crying out loud Jordan did a commercial with Mia Hamm"Anything you can do i can do better" says it all. Jordannis a true warrior untouched. Plus Jordan was underpaid his whole career until the 1998 season, in which THE LEAGUE demanded that he be paid his worth. So, Jordan played with less money because he loves the game. Ive never seen a player that not only won championships but every story you hear non NBA that he played ball he still won, there is footage as well. Im rolling with Jordan 84 and beyond. G.O.A.T, no question. Because he was the "X" factor in every championship , meaning he was the difference maker in all championships. The MVP of all his championships
10 seconds left in game 7 of a championship who do you pick to take the last shot? Who do you foul and send to the free throw line with 5 seconds left?
LeBron got more game winners because his team needed. Jordan was clutch. He took over the game. That’s why it’s called the running of the bulls The bulls played so hard they didn’t need many game winners
Clutchness becoming a major part of the game started with Magic and Bird. Jordan took it further. He has repeatedly said, Magic and Bird were the ones he aspired to. He saw what made them what they were. Relentless competitors, hard workers at all times, steel focus, wanting to beat the best, fundamental based, killer instincts, etc. Mike says it all began with them for him. He took what they did to another galaxy.
Have you seen Lebron’s shooting percentage in the clutch? It’s 17% to Jordan’s 50%. Buzzer beaters are not a metric of if a player is clutch or not. LeMedia has dumbed this generation down so badly with these smoke and mirrors stats and worthless dialog.
Joyce from The Bronx I disagree with Mr. Sharpe on the blueprint. I'm a child of the 1960s. Oscar Robertson and Bill Russell (11/13 Championships) were the blueprint for African-Americans in sports, all businesses and life. They were fitted too but on a much lower budget, no marketing or brands.😂 What they did then made all this possible for ALL players today. It's a shame there aren't enough films on The Rucker from back then. Connie Hawkins, Dr. J, and MJ brought some of that athleticism and creativity to the NBA. It was curtailed because whites couldn't do it. MJ came at the right time, did the right things the right way with flair and is debonair! He has the winner mentality of Russell, fundamentals of Oscar, athleticism of Hawkins, Earl the Goat Manigault and other Rucker greats. No one can touch him!
@@Mandownsports You're welcome. Thanks for presenting a podcast that's smooth, classy and knowledgeable! This is only the third show I've seen of yours. I'm new to this, but can be true to this platform. Our Dad took my sister and I to MSG, Rucker Park and throughout the 4 boroughs (Staten Island didn't count 😂) for 🏀 when visiting family and friends. Keep doing good things‼️
definition of clutch it's 24 seconds or less and your team needs a bucket to tie or take the lead....career percentage of these shots lebron 20% Jordan 49%.....literally the definition of clutch not just playoffs but career clutch shots
I'm am surprised tho Gil and especially Shannon saying Mike was the first blue print that's not sensible the question is and what you look at is what was Mike blueprint and that's a array of players and he combine them skills and took them to new heights and yes actually was the new blueprint I have a top five that Mike got his blueprint from 👍
Blueprint…MJ combined the best of what he grew up with. The winning of Magic and bird, the athleticism or the Dr. and the dominance of wilt. That’s a blueprint of the combination of top characteristics from some of the best players ever…like I said, combined!!
LBJ played for a future Hall Of Fame coach in Miami. Phil Jackson wasn't a proven coach when he came to Chicago. Chicago Bulls gave him his first chance as a coach.
I agree, but he DID know what it took to WIN a championship, having won two in NYK as a player (1970 & 1973)! Even though he wasn’t a proven coach yet (1989 when he became head coach), he had THAT and Tex Winter with his Triangle to make Jordan, and the players Bulls had acquired, into a championship caliber team!
Phil was coaching in Puerto Rico before the Bulls hired him as an assistant. Doug Collins had the Bulls in the ECF the year before Phil took over as head coach. That year, the Bulls were the only team to register wins against the Pistons through their entire playoff run. They took the Pistons to 6 games. The Pistons swept every other team, including the Lakers in the finals. Phil got them to the ECF again the next year against the Pistons and took them to 7 games but lost. People keep acting like the Bulls did a complete 180 and couldn't win until Phil became the coach. Phil was a great coach, but he acquired an already ascending team.
@@IVOT618 Thanks for jogging my feeble memory (getting old😁). You’re indeed correct! I had forgotten about him coaching in my native island of PR! I also remembered that he had won a Championship as a head Coach in the CBA! I do still hold to “not proven” in the NBA as a Coach, though. You are also correct that Doug Collins had started (with Jordan & other draftees/trades) to turn the team around. But, Jackson by that time was already Collins’ assistant (1987), along with Tex… so both actually helped in the reshaping of the team and it’s destiny. Most of the iconic moments of that winning trend (I.e., “The Shot” in Cleveland) that gets replays on YT also show Jackson/Winter on the sidelines. Just that Collins would not commit to the Triangle. When Collins was fired, Jackson, as head coach now, immediately instituted Tex’s Triangle offense, and the proverbial “rest is history!”
The other thing which MJ had that I don't think we will ever see again is his amazing hands. And its not just that they were big...other players have had huge hands. But, like everything else with Mike, he took a natural gift that he had and developed it to do totally unnatural looking things. Nobody handles the ball like MJ (not talking about "handles" as a bball term, but literally the way he could hold, shoot, move the ball, etc., with one hand). MJ was brilliant at turning natural gifts into almost supernatural attributes.
It's not about LeBron not being capable of making the shot, because he can make the shot. The problem comes with the fact that you don't know if he's even going to look to score during these clutch moments. When it's tied, he shoots 90% of the time. Unless it's a catch and shoot situation, when they're down, half the time LeBron is looking to drive and kick it to someone else to shoot. They say it's the right play but the 3pt shot is a 35% shot... It's about a 24% shot with the shot clock about to expire. At the end of the game, a 3pter is about a 17% shot. So if you have a chance to win or lose a game with one shot, are you going to go into the huddle and convince somebody that going for a 17% shot is your best opportunity to win the game?... Even if it was still the average 35% shot that it's been since the '90s, are you going to convince your coach, down 1 or 2 with less than 10 seconds to go, your best scoring option is having your best player drive and kick to a lesser player for a 35% shot.
If we’re talking about clutch we gotta talk about 2011 Finals. Also, 2007 they say he carried a a crap team to the Finals. Ok, the East was weak but that’s not his fault. But how did Lebron perform in those finals? Go look at those stats. And a few games were winnable too
The biggest problem that the biased fans have is that they want the player compare to mj to act like mj to look like mj an every body is different that’s way they say that the player that look more like mike is Kobe like is a popularity contest
And I want to say that it's already been said and recorded that Michael Jordan is 50 something years old and he still goes out and plays with the team that he owns and he convincingly beats them. He said he had to stop doing it cuz he don't want to tear their confidence down. If that is not the goat, I don't know who is only a great player would say let me turn it down or not so I don't hurt their ego and their confidence. I need them to stay strong to keep winning for me That's a great feat for Michael Jordan. He says he stays away from the practice games as much as he can cuz he don't want to hurt his players confidence and we all know how Mike can hurt your confidence. We've seen it. He'll shake your whole game plan up rattle your cage hard and don't talk. No noise cuz you just gave him all the ammunition that he needs. Don't even look crazy at him on the court cuz he's going to take that and he's going to turn that into whoop ass mode. Relentless whoop ass mode
MJ told John Thompson in an interview that he doesn't play for stats. He said if he wanted stats he never would've never retired to play baseball. MJ said he never cared about stats he only cares about rings
Sure did! I played that in this episode
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not hard to believe. we all saw that. he retired. he played baseball. he came back and got another 3 peat.
But people don't say are tell you that the only reason MJ came back to the NBA because the 1995 MLB went into a lockout for 230 something games .
It was fate....he was meant to come back to the NBA and 3-peat again no matter if the MLB went into a lock out or not.@@ronniecollins7313
What's crazy is MJ did all he did in 15 yrs technically 13 and Lebron has been playn ova 20 yrs and still hasn't come close to MJ ion even know how this shit came about frfr
Technically 11 full seasons...which is insane
Even the way he walked was smooth
And even statistically, Jordan is in a class by himself.
Yep
Facts
So is lebron
@@negrodamus323No he's not. LJ statistical achievements are mostly based on longevity. If LJ has played in the 80s or 90s he wouldn't have played anymore than 15 seasons at best, only my opinion. The finesse focus of the league now enables him to play as long as he has. If Jordan played in LJ's era, Jordan would have at least 10 titles and played 20 years. All stats would have been blown to dust.
@@greezythumb that's all speculation
In my opinion, Jordan's purpose was only to win. That was his top priority and goal, first and foremost. Every other accolade that came along with this mentality was a bonus as an extra feather in his cap. I believe nothing else mattered more than winning to him, and he played that way and did it extremely well. Cheers👍🏽
It seems like LeBron is the opposite because he's about stats 1st, accolades 2nd, and winning 3rd. 😂😂😂😂
@@shawnsockwell9181He wants to win too, but he just doesn’t have that killer / win at all cost mentality. Either you have it or you don’t and he doesn’t.
BILL Russell won 11 titles. He was Jordan 2.0 according to your logic.
@@HasanMustafaa-en1tj Bill Russel won in an era with very few teams, less and shorter playoff series and frankly against mostly bums. I respect Bill Russel but those 11 chips are overrated.
And the fact ppl was calling him one of the best players ever before a championship even while the pistons was winning they focus was still mj !
Michael Jordan is a perfect example of what an enigma is. He is as close to perfection as you can get.
I agree
Get off his 🍆
I think the word you're looking for is "anomaly".
Just drop down and pray to MJ while you at it it has to be other topics to cover
@@juanellchapman4545 no
On the court and off the court as well as Michael Jordan's name 22 year's after his final retirement his name and greatness are still rolling out of people's mouths every day!!!
Facts
Fantastic analysis, man. You have a gift for breaking things down.
Glad you enjoyed it
Have a look at some of the categories for Michael Jordan that have a lead on LeBron (it's just mind-boggling that some fans still believe LeBron is the Greatest of All Time)
Scoring Titles (best avg. pts per game) 10-1 for MJ
Steals Champ 3-0 for MJ
Reg. Season Career PPG 30.1 - 27.1 for MJ
Playoffs PPG 33.4 - 28.5 for MJ
Reg. Season MVP - 5-4 for MJ
Finals MVP 6-4 for MJ
Championships 6-4 for MJ
Dunk Contest Champ 1987 & 1988 & 2-0 for MJ
Rookie of the Year 1984/85 for MJ
Olympics 2 Gold Medals for MJ
I didn't feel like covering every single statistic. These 10 are good enough.
Good post!
And also Defensive player of the year as well..
Michael Jordan is the only player that
I've heard say the phrase "my craft" when
talking about his philosophy and methodology.
That man truly loved the ART of Basketball
and his game ALWAYS looked like an artist
that had perfected his craft✨💯🐐
MJ has some things in his resume that ain't in the stats that basically turned him into a, not just NBA, but a sports God. Leading 1 team to 2 three peats and really never letting the fans down when he was fully revved up. Lebron has some stinkers fully revved up. The stat totals won't tell you that story. He also never really required offensive help to save him in multiple series, you can see that in the stats, but you really gotta look hard. Lebrons greatness comes and goes based on his teammates offensive help
MJ wasn't chasing anyone. He had nothing to prove. He wouldn't claim to be the GOAT. He was awarded the term by his peers and the fans, even the ones who hated him. Black Jesus could walk on air. His Airness was unimpeachable. Period.
Well said
Good stuff! All I would like to add is that Jordan was clutch defensively also.
What was considered "legacy " talk back then was not winning a chip, but Back to Back chips. Then a team can say that for a period of time, they had a dynasty. And it makes sense in how championship teams are viewed. Take the Spurs. Would they had more respect if they had won in back to backs rather than every other year?
Absolutely 💯
That man mentioned DYNASTY. THANK YOU. Ive said this exact thing before and people seem to sweep over that
MJ was so clutch that he would CONSISTENTLY finish the play with about 2 sec or less on the shot clock!
Man Kobe was the last of that breed
Watching Lebron play with his lack of game has actually made me appreciate Kobe even more + appreciate Kobe’s approach to the game even more.
Good points made.🙂 Michael Jordan is definitely an iconic, winning basketball player, hard-working professional athlete and trailblazing businessman. Legendary Kobe Bryant was the closest to MJ. (RIP) They were consistently "must-see" tv for years. As a fan, I'm glad I got to see their successful careers unfold! Lebron James is a future HOF and a very good player. But, MJ and Kobe's game-playing style and basketball journeys were more compelling to watch.
for sure
But let's nor forget the player that helped bridge that gap before we all truly recognized Kobe... Allen Iverson
@ctbcardinal Good point. Allen Iverson was a great Hall of Fame basketball player. --He was inspired by Michael Jordan. He also respected and loved Kobe's game and competitiveness.
Not sure if this is common knowledge but I will put it out here because it goes to the whole "LeBron makes his teammates better" bullshit. The year before joining the Heat in 2009-2010, DWade was 5th in ppg, 10th in apg and 5th in spg. Had a VORP of #2 in the league. Chris Bosh was 9th in ppg, 6th in rpg and finished 12th in MVP voting. In 2013-2014 (year before joining the Cavs) Kevin Love was 4th in ppg, 3rd in rpg and 3rd in VORP. Kyrie Irving was 14th in ppg, 13th in apg, 13th in FT% and was all star game MVP. In 2018-2019 year before joining LA, Anthony Davis was 9th in ppg, 8th in rpg, 2nd in bpg. 2020-2021, year before joining LA, Russell Westbrook was 6th in rpg, 1st in apg and 19th in VORP.
There have been a plethora of other players to join LeBron over the years and had the same problem. He didnt know how to maximize these great teammates. Almost all these players roles were diminished or altered in a bad way. He could never just dominate the league from start to finish. He needed and got a lot of help. In 2012 Finals, he got 35 3 pointers from bench/role players. Thats 7 a game in 2012 was unreal. In 2013 Finals, he got 51 3 pointers from bench role/players, which is over 7 per game.
In 2016 Finals, he got 27.1 ppg from his sidekick and in 2020, he got 25 ppg and 10.7 rpg, and 2 bpg in the bubble. So essentially it takes this kind of help for him to win. Just sad people overlook these things, and i can show them the 1997 playoffs where 1 player had more than 8 ppg for the entire playoffs. Just unheard of lack of help for a championship team
Bro that's a perfect why of putting it💯
Wow i just listened to the clip you played of MJ talking about stats. He said in 20 years people may not remember me.
Hello its 20 years later and people can't stop talking abouti Mike?
Crazy huh?
Never be nobody beter than mj I'm 60 years old he is the goat hands down sorry bron❤😊
Facts my guy this my first time listening to you. I love the content
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Caller at 35:50 mark made a whole lot of sense. Im a true Lakers fan and I was not a Kobe fan for a years. All that changed and he became my favorite player of all time. In my opinion he is most skilled and the Goat ! ✔ Laker4life8/24
Before mobile phones, Man I used to race home to watch those pregames on NBC and MJ stride up in slow mo. Thank God for UA-cam. I get to relive them days.
Absolutely
Jordan in my opinion, was one of the first accessible superstars. Magic and Bird had a lot of national games, but Jordan was on WGN every night if you had cable. So a lot of us seen a shit load of Bulls games just by having it on tv as background noise...LOL
I think one thing that gets left out of the conversation regarding MJ is TIMING. He was the perfect person, with the perfect game, attitude, persona, charisma, style, work ethic, attention to detail, intangibles and relentless will to win at the right time....MJ WAS THE PERFECT STORM FOR THE NBA. The league needed someone to take over and become the FACE after the MAGIC AND BIRD era...MJ came in at the PERFECT TIME and took over. Let's remember they were other great players at that time as well who just weren't the PERFECT BLEND that MJ was.
Think about this example for a moment: Would Kobe (May he continue to R.I.Paradise) had been born 10 years earlier and had been in the prime era of MJ...would he have been the KOBE MAMBA MENTALITY BRYANT we now know him as? He would of been still great in my opinion but without MJ as his blueprint and his rival he doesn't have the same outcomes he had. Sometimes what makes one great is TIMING...AGAIN MJ WAS THE PERFECT STORM!! Carry On...
Facts. Kobe was in line to step right in as the next face of the league with all the same characteristics until the Denver situation. After that they tried to put him on the back burner and pushed the hell outta LeBron because of his cleaner image.
@@stephenpowell1726 Agreed! I was and still am a HUGE MAMBA FAN...and in hindsight that Denver situation may had been the best thing to happen to his career. Yes, the media and many fans left him and abandoned him, and him and his family took a HUGE hit...especially his marriage. But, he went to ANOTHER LEVEL because with guys who are wired mentally like Kobe and MJ the worse thing to do is give them SOMETHING TO PROVE AND A CHIP ON THEIR SHOULDER. Kobe took that situation and turned into DA MAMBA...and the world has been better for it.
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The thing is Michael Jordan fans never fans never booed him. You can't say that about LeBron James. I have seen it
I think what many people miss or misunderstand about Michael Jordan are three (3) things:
1. He took any criticisms of any (perceived) Weaknesses and made them new Strengths. Not for public approval, but for himself.
2. He was a good in the clutch - NOT because he made clutch shots - but because he played to ensure that Clutch Shots would be an option to win. He didn’t like losing and did not accept consecutive failures. Clutch shots only happen when games are close. The fact that he was a “clutch shooter” is small in comparison to the work he put into 4th quarters to make them significant.
3. He wasn’t built or born naturally talented in basketball. [see #1] He practiced like a man possessed. And he actually wanted fierce competition to test himself against.
To “Be Like Mike” is to spend your life in the gym and making practices WAR.
Great post
I agree with all except the beginning of 3. He was built and born naturally talented for B.ball… God given ability, The size of his hands, wingspan, athleticism, you can work to improve your athleticism, but those are God given gifts and talent
@@casiemny1219 That’s the misunderstanding I’m talking about - and its especially important for young kids (like my son) to learn this lesson.
There are a great deal of people his size and can palm a basketball like he can. Many can play well. Some are really good. A few - less than 1% - will make it to the NBA.
He may have been built to play basketball, but no one is built to be great. MJ was cut from his high school basketball team. So, numbers #1, 2 & 3 all tie together. Maybe I could have worded it differently, but “no one is built to be GREAT” was my point.
Wow! Shannon is surprisingly insightful here.
Yep
The thing that made Jordan so great was the fact that he could do everything without being the primary ball handler. In today's game you have to have the ball to be able to play which takes away from other players on the team. If you're the 3rd star on a team with Jordan you'll get the ball and be able to play your normal game. The Lakers had Kareem, Magic , and Worthy, the all worked well together, everyone was involved and they consistently won. LeBron's 3rd option is sitting over in the corner excluded from the offense like Chris Bosh or Kevin Love. They were still good but couldn't play their normal game. People forget how Love was averaging 26 pts 12 rebs per game in Minnesota. Nothing wrong with being the 3rd option if you can still play your game but he was in the corner shooting 3s when he was mainly playing in the post. I know he won a title with LeBron but the fact that he was left high and dry stuck in Cleveland had to make him feel used.
Triangle Offense.
Great point
LeBron makes his teammates better. 🥱😂
@@stephenpowell1726He makes role players better, I'm talking more about the a 3rd star. Both Bosh and Love numbers dropped tremendously in points and rebounds but they won rings. Jordan made others better as well, drawing in defenders so guys like Kukoc, Paxson, and Kerr will have wide open shots. The difference is LeBron plays with the ball and Jordan plays off the ball.
@@rdogletree4543 he made Wiggins KLove. He made Big Z & Mo Williams Bosh and Wade. He made JRandle AD. 🥱
LeBon is top 11-20
His peers were calling him the goat before he entered the nba
That dude lost his mind. Kobe is great, but he's not better than Jordan.
More game winners? which ones? And don't forget Jordan *never* had a finals go to Game 7.
I don't know what one of your callers is smoking but no way in hell was Kobe a better athlete then MJ. Kobe was a watered down version of MJ, nothing he did was better then the GOAT. Period point blank!
Yes Indeed correct !
Kobe wasn't watered down big Kobe fan MJ is the goat by far but don't disrespect the mamba
@@Wayne-cs6jcSorry you in your feelings bro but I'm just spitting facts!
MJ never once stated publicly he was the GOAT. He just played and let everyone judge for themselves
Exactly!!
MJ arguably had one of the toughest roads to championships. Never made excuses. Never left to join others. Never asked for others to join him to win.
Mike never had a game 7 only 6 games or less
i love that analogy to Cain an Abel
It just dropped in my head as I was talking. But it's true, he is offering us something we know is cheap and less than his peers MJ and Kobe and he doesn't understand why no one accepts it.
@@Mandownsports He also ran away like Cain did 😂
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Excellent points!!! All facts!!!!
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THANK YOU for addressing a specific detail!!! OFFERINGS and the specifics/honoring of the the approach in how to win!!! Keep it up.
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People say Lebron had social media pressure, Mike had superstition WGN. On any Bulls game you had nationwide eyeballs tuning in. Later worldwide.
This is a fact! At the time I had never been to Chicago or even a basketball game or even a city with a BBall team. The Bulls were on every game
great break down as usual!
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Jordan was the only player to have 10 steals on one game, and I believe he didn't play on the 4th quarter.
Yikes
The way you broke that down with Cain and Abel amazing job bro . Great comparison. 🎉🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯
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I got to say that you, and Charles on Dreamer's Pro have some of the best takes when it comes to talking basketball. It would be kind of dope if you two could collab. Great show though bro!!!
Thanks for that comment bro! Charles is a dope content creator for sure
My pleasure bro, I just call it like I see it and real recognizes real
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LeBron took the easy way out imo. I gotta catch these live
I'm live by myself on Tuesdays and we have a Live Full panel on Fridays
@@Mandownsports what times so I can try to tune in
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Jordan was 50% in shot attempts during the last 3 seconds of games, Bron was 31%.
And that is why Kobe is closest.
I just found ypur channel yesterday and I wish i could have called in to your live. Being from Chicago I'm amazed that MJ is still the hot topic and keeping the league relevant. BTW that Lakers fan mentioned how Lebron got swepted in playoffs but not the greats. Please remember Kobe got swepted his last year.
Glad you found the channel! Looking forward to taking your call next show
This guy hit the spot on so many examples. Well done! MJ is the goat and it isn't even close.
Thanks for the view and the comment!
It's close with Kobe though.
Jordan shot 50% for his career on game winning shots.
The reason Mikes we’re more open is because Mike was a better space creator. His first step was more explosive as well.
Michael Jordan was called the GOAT in his 2nd year in the league. You gotta do ya history gang. No one was called that until MJ showed up remember that!!!!
Maaaaannnnn where you been????
The absolute best explanation of the clear cut difference between Jordan and the other guy....
I been around lol 😆
That Cain and Abel analogy was crazy, you dead taught me something today, you got a subscriber out of me…
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Yeah, that Cain and Abel reference is the greatest analogy for this situation. I just said a day or so ago, that Mike made Scottie. Made him join the breakfast club. To get him stronger and mentally prepared for war. He didn’t go grab a player that was number one on his team or an all out all star. Rodman was an outcast from his team. Jordan made him fall in line and gave him the confidence to just go out and do what you do best. They also let him be himself. That takes a LEADER. Scottie was great, but Mj made him believe that. You see what happened when the leader left…”I got a migraine” “I ain’t going back in the game, cause that play should be for me”. LeBron manufactured his rings. Let me get a player who already just won a championship. Let me also grab an all star, number one player on his team, in Toronto. Then Ray Allen won them that one chip, Kyrie won him the 3rd chip and do we really count the intramural bubble gum one? Come on man. LeBron claiming he’s the GOAT cause of more points, and coming back from 3-1? Against a Draymond less Golden State??? That’s your indictment for being the GOAT?? Not even close to MJ
Preach
Look Bro, you broke the real down so truthfully about Bron's defensive disappearance, it's unreal. Kobe is undoubtedly GOAT #2, because of his SEASONAL defense to match his offensive output. Bron RARELY, RARELY ever had the defensive output in the playoffs, especially against Dallas. You had more input accuracy as to the coaching and GMing aspects of the game than most former players. Big ups to you brother, keep doing what you're doing. You're heating up the PodCast game. Thanks.
Thanks for that comment bro
I HAVE THIS CALLER EXACTLY EXACTLY 💯 AT THE #17!!!!!
Whenever they mention Clutch Shots I’m more concerned about the percentage of those shots.
If I have “20” Clutch Shots but it takes me 100 attempts to make those “20” then I’m not very Clutch.
1 out of every 5 shots ain’t gonna cut it. Just saying. 🙂
How does LeBron give his all when he sit out games and does he ever play a full game with half ass defense come on man think.
Jordan 50 percent clutch shots
Jordan is like this, everytime i step on the court its my last game. So let me give everything to this game on every game. And the thing that really gets me is that he played better in the playoffs and finals than the refular season. Jordan played the game within the game. Evey shoe jordan has worn has a classic moment attached to it. He earned his spot...period. did not jump team to team, but perseverance is everything. And when he got to the finals he never lost. Never a game 7 in the finals and only one game 7 in 1998 against the Pacers. Plus Jordan was so confident in that series he told yall"they got to come through Chicago." Cmon son, plus Jordan was so nasty you could hit him in mid air and he would switch up and still make the shot. The "And one" came from him after so many shots made after the foul. Never seen a player like him exact before and after. Kobe is the only one who came close and he got 5 championships. Its a out focus, i dont want to be your friend i want to win. For crying out loud Jordan did a commercial with Mia Hamm"Anything you can do i can do better" says it all. Jordannis a true warrior untouched. Plus Jordan was underpaid his whole career until the 1998 season, in which THE LEAGUE demanded that he be paid his worth. So, Jordan played with less money because he loves the game. Ive never seen a player that not only won championships but every story you hear non NBA that he played ball he still won, there is footage as well. Im rolling with Jordan 84 and beyond. G.O.A.T, no question. Because he was the "X" factor in every championship , meaning he was the difference maker in all championships. The MVP of all his championships
Very great analogy with Cain and able!!
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Actually Micheal Jordan holds the NBA record for game winners at 9 at 45% and lebron second at 25%
Great post
I believe Mike is 9/18 for game winners.
Mj IS regal!!! AND SPORTS ROYALTY!!! The BLUEPRINT TO ALL SPORTS!!!
MJ 🐐
In the Bulls second three-peat (1996-1998), the Bulls won 60+ games in each of those three seasons.
Word
10 seconds left in game 7 of a championship who do you pick to take the last shot? Who do you foul and send to the free throw line with 5 seconds left?
Don't need clutch shots when you dominating
Kobe learned from Jordan
Bro love your analagy about cane and abel....bringing out wisdom bro. Great content keep it up
Thanks bro!
“Lebron is a habitual ship jumper”. - Charlie Murphy
Tayshaun shut Kobe down in the 2004 finals. Go watch the tape bro!!
Michael Jordan would never stoop so low for stats or rings he is a true competitor
but they tell you the same lies about lebum everyday. like he makes players better
He can't even make himself better!!😂
They don't even know what that means lol
He does! He turned Wiggins into KLove and Lonzo into AD and Mo Williams into DWade!! 😅
Spitting wisdom!
MICHEAL J. JPRDAN beat the MOST 60+ win teams in NBA PLAYOFF HISTORY!!!! LOOK IT UP!!! 🥰💡💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾😎 EXCELLENCE
LeBron got more game winners because his team needed. Jordan was clutch. He took over the game. That’s why it’s called the running of the bulls
The bulls played so hard they didn’t need many game winners
Exactly! A lot of those games the Bulls' starters were on the bench icing their knees in the 4th qtr.
Jordan played in what they call “ flow state” or “ in the zone” came from Jordan. He didn’t see anyone but himself while playing the game.
Last second buzzer winning shot is the clutch MJ is known for under pressure.
jordan's basketball iq amazingly gets looked over, because he was such a great player/athlete on the floor
When Kat Williams told Shannon Sharpe he doesn’t why he associates himself with losers. I also put LeBron in that reference. 😆
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Clutchness becoming a major part of the game started with Magic and Bird. Jordan took it further. He has repeatedly said, Magic and Bird were the ones he aspired to. He saw what made them what they were. Relentless competitors, hard workers at all times, steel focus, wanting to beat the best, fundamental based, killer instincts, etc. Mike says it all began with them for him. He took what they did to another galaxy.
Have you seen Lebron’s shooting percentage in the clutch? It’s 17% to Jordan’s 50%. Buzzer beaters are not a metric of if a player is clutch or not.
LeMedia has dumbed this generation down so badly with these smoke and mirrors stats and worthless dialog.
Perfect explanation 👌
I had the same comment... 17 to 50%
Shannon, low key, (by way of Klutch Sports paychecks)is really disrespecting MJ's game and on-court game. Shannon is slightly saying MJ was marketing.
He trying to but he can't deny the truth and Gilbert wouldn't let him either
i loved to watch MJ play but Kobe was my man
MJ is most complete. Kobe is most skilled. Lebron is most stats accumulated.
Pretty much
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I seen him on he-man I think his name skeletor😂😂😂😂
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Joyce from The Bronx
I disagree with Mr. Sharpe on the blueprint. I'm a child of the 1960s. Oscar Robertson and Bill Russell (11/13 Championships) were the blueprint for African-Americans in sports, all businesses and life. They were fitted too but on a much lower budget, no marketing or brands.😂
What they did then made all this possible for ALL players today.
It's a shame there aren't enough films on The Rucker from back then. Connie Hawkins, Dr. J, and MJ brought some of that athleticism and creativity to the NBA. It was curtailed because whites couldn't do it.
MJ came at the right time, did the right things the right way with flair and is debonair! He has the winner mentality of Russell, fundamentals of Oscar, athleticism of Hawkins, Earl the Goat Manigault and other Rucker greats.
No one can touch him!
Great post! Thanks Joyce
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You're welcome. Thanks for presenting a podcast that's smooth, classy and knowledgeable!
This is only the third show I've seen of yours. I'm new to this, but can be true to this platform.
Our Dad took my sister and I to MSG, Rucker Park and throughout the 4 boroughs (Staten Island didn't count 😂) for 🏀 when visiting family and friends.
Keep doing good things‼️
@@joyce2680 looking forward to your interaction on our live shows via phone call or comments section
fy ass breakdown mane ✌🏿
Jordan was a competitor. He wanted to be the best. To this day he's competitive. His ego controls him. Numbers, trophies, rings...
definition of clutch it's 24 seconds or less and your team needs a bucket to tie or take the lead....career percentage of these shots lebron 20% Jordan 49%.....literally the definition of clutch not just playoffs but career clutch shots
I'm am surprised tho Gil and especially Shannon saying Mike was the first blue print that's not sensible the question is and what you look at is what was Mike blueprint and that's a array of players and he combine them skills and took them to new heights and yes actually was the new blueprint I have a top five that Mike got his blueprint from 👍
Blueprint…MJ combined the best of what he grew up with. The winning of Magic and bird, the athleticism or the Dr. and the dominance of wilt. That’s a blueprint of the combination of top characteristics from some of the best players ever…like I said, combined!!
LBJ played for a future Hall Of Fame coach in Miami. Phil Jackson wasn't a proven coach when he came to Chicago. Chicago Bulls gave him his first chance as a coach.
Facts
@@Mandownsports people forget that Tex wintes created the triangle and think phil came up with it
I agree, but he DID know what it took to WIN a championship, having won two in NYK as a player (1970 & 1973)!
Even though he wasn’t a proven coach yet (1989 when he became head coach), he had THAT and Tex Winter with his Triangle to make Jordan, and the players Bulls had acquired, into a championship caliber team!
Phil was coaching in Puerto Rico before the Bulls hired him as an assistant. Doug Collins had the Bulls in the ECF the year before Phil took over as head coach. That year, the Bulls were the only team to register wins against the Pistons through their entire playoff run. They took the Pistons to 6 games. The Pistons swept every other team, including the Lakers in the finals. Phil got them to the ECF again the next year against the Pistons and took them to 7 games but lost. People keep acting like the Bulls did a complete 180 and couldn't win until Phil became the coach. Phil was a great coach, but he acquired an already ascending team.
@@IVOT618 Thanks for jogging my feeble memory (getting old😁).
You’re indeed correct! I had forgotten about him coaching in my native island of PR! I also remembered that he had won a Championship as a head Coach in the CBA!
I do still hold to “not proven” in the NBA as a Coach, though.
You are also correct that Doug Collins had started (with Jordan & other draftees/trades) to turn the team around. But, Jackson by that time was already Collins’ assistant (1987), along with Tex… so both actually helped in the reshaping of the team and it’s destiny. Most of the iconic moments of that winning trend (I.e., “The Shot” in Cleveland) that gets replays on YT also show Jackson/Winter on the sidelines. Just that Collins would not commit to the Triangle.
When Collins was fired, Jackson, as head coach now, immediately instituted Tex’s Triangle offense, and the proverbial “rest is history!”
The other thing which MJ had that I don't think we will ever see again is his amazing hands. And its not just that they were big...other players have had huge hands. But, like everything else with Mike, he took a natural gift that he had and developed it to do totally unnatural looking things. Nobody handles the ball like MJ (not talking about "handles" as a bball term, but literally the way he could hold, shoot, move the ball, etc., with one hand). MJ was brilliant at turning natural gifts into almost supernatural attributes.
It's not about LeBron not being capable of making the shot, because he can make the shot. The problem comes with the fact that you don't know if he's even going to look to score during these clutch moments. When it's tied, he shoots 90% of the time. Unless it's a catch and shoot situation, when they're down, half the time LeBron is looking to drive and kick it to someone else to shoot.
They say it's the right play but the 3pt shot is a 35% shot... It's about a 24% shot with the shot clock about to expire. At the end of the game, a 3pter is about a 17% shot. So if you have a chance to win or lose a game with one shot, are you going to go into the huddle and convince somebody that going for a 17% shot is your best opportunity to win the game?... Even if it was still the average 35% shot that it's been since the '90s, are you going to convince your coach, down 1 or 2 with less than 10 seconds to go, your best scoring option is having your best player drive and kick to a lesser player for a 35% shot.
If we’re talking about clutch we gotta talk about 2011 Finals.
Also, 2007 they say he carried a a crap team to the Finals. Ok, the East was weak but that’s not his fault. But how did Lebron perform in those finals? Go look at those stats.
And a few games were winnable too
Ray wasn't on that Miami team when they won the 1st championship. He came the next year when they won the 2nd championship.
Correct
The biggest problem that the biased fans have is that they want the player compare to mj to act like mj to look like mj an every body is different that’s way they say that the player that look more like mike is Kobe like is a popularity contest
MJ THE 🐐 is the closest thing we will ever see to Superhuman. He's on another level. His aura alone makes him the 🐐
And I want to say that it's already been said and recorded that Michael Jordan is 50 something years old and he still goes out and plays with the team that he owns and he convincingly beats them. He said he had to stop doing it cuz he don't want to tear their confidence down. If that is not the goat, I don't know who is only a great player would say let me turn it down or not so I don't hurt their ego and their confidence. I need them to stay strong to keep winning for me That's a great feat for Michael Jordan. He says he stays away from the practice games as much as he can cuz he don't want to hurt his players confidence and we all know how Mike can hurt your confidence. We've seen it. He'll shake your whole game plan up rattle your cage hard and don't talk. No noise cuz you just gave him all the ammunition that he needs. Don't even look crazy at him on the court cuz he's going to take that and he's going to turn that into whoop ass mode. Relentless whoop ass mode
Magic called Jordan the GOAT in 91, before the rings