Only if YOU purchase a genuine Douay-Rheims Bible which includes the seven Deutero-Canonical books, missing from most non-Catholic Bibles. and... Read in its entirety, repent, believe, allow The Lord to convert your heart, and be baptized. Then... we have a deal. :P Amen.
@@Scorned405 I've never seen it suggested that he wrote it. Some think the sayings in it may preserver early traditions of Jesus' words, but that's not the same thing.
When Humans finally get the jest of the Bible they will free themselves of religions, dualisms, ignorance, attaining a future for truth, love, peace, hope.
We can hope!!! But while I want to read this guys book, the Podcaster doesn't come across with much interest himself. Sorry, Jacob...but you yourself look bored and half asleep...or drugged. No offense intended...but get some Charisma! Bless your heart...you yourself sound and look UNINTERESTED in your own topic and guest. 😮. Wake up a bit! And while the author may be intelligent and correct...he doesn't come across well either...reading his comments is boring. You two guys need a makeover.
Yes...right after they read the Bible with all it's wars and killing in it. Seriously? It sounds like you yourself have not read the whole book. And I am a Jesus follower. But the Bible in it's entirety is NOT exactly a book of love. 😢
@@briobarb8525 the Bible is a story of another middle eastern tribe. Why do you assume it should of necessity be a story of love and peace? Is the story of other middle eastern tribes ever stories of love and peace? Is the story of ANY country on earth a story of love and peace?
I do not look outside of myself for God or Truth. “I AM” all I need; “I AM” all there is. “I AM” one universal conscience; “I AM” one universal consciousness. “I AM” you; “I AM” me; “I AM” one. There is one “I AM”. Jesus is not individual; Jesus is the state of being, therefore Jesus is us; that is why Jesus said : “‘I AM’” the way; the Truth, and the Life…”; Jesus is male, and Jesus is female; He’s us + She’s us = Je’s us = Man. “I AM” God! God is all “I AM”; God imagines all; all is the imagination of God, the imagination of God is “Art” and the Love of Art, is Art appreciation; God is the Artist, “I AM” a work of the Artist, a work of Art; a work of God, “I AM”.
@@a.i1970 , One has to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water so to speak, which modern society has done in almost every regard. Replacing beliefs , and making science your new god (little g) only encourages selective outrage, and hypocrisy. That is exactly what you see in almost everything, especially science, and as a logical person you should surely see that only two types of people exist now. Those with questions they can't answer, so they ask, or keep testing all things, and those with ONLY answers nobody is allowed to question. Science isn't much different than a religion, it would have one believe that a giant explosion of nothing created everything, and you evolved from goo, to the zoo, to you, which makes about as much sense as if science states a pop can rolls down a hill and becomes a vending machine at the bottom.
While there does seem to be this need for magical thinking that defies logic and reality thee is also the built in desire for truth and honesty. Science best describes this thinking. Can a book make a difference? The power of the written word seems to have decreased over the years. Our political leaders still have to pretend to be religious and the cultural world remains silent on atheism. Only a handful of scientists stand up against this madness.
trusting science nowdays is scholastic suicide, because of so much fraud. as for atheism, it is taught all the time through evolution, which is also a fraud, and they know it. evolution is magical thinking.
@@quakers200 it seems, in this crazy world of ours, that the chief standard bearers for atheism are comedians and actors, an awful lot of whom are outspoken sceptics. Whilst our political and cultural leaders profess to believe in superstition.
People often interpret The Bible in their own Twilight Zone as it it is handed to them and most times often it does not go well with family, friends and other associates.
"They answered: We have dreamed a dream, and there is nobody to interpret it to us. And Joseph said to them: Both not interpretation belong to God? Tell me what you have dreamed." (Genesis 40:8)
@@razony The stories we read in the Bible, are a testament to the reality of God's Word. Real Christians love the stories, not only because they are epic, amazing stories; also because they represent accurate, verifiable, historical accounts of God's people and their past lives. These stories allow us to better know who God is, what he expects from us, and most importantly, what he's done for us. Those that love him, through his Word we discover how to better serve him. Amen.
@lgroschiensalle Are a Testament? Look who it's a Testament by, other Christians! When I was entering seminary. I was expecting truth of what the bible was saying. Peter 'supposedly' walked on water. Jesus supposedly said "Whoever believes in me... will do great works I have been doing..." I was NOT believing in the bible for it's a 'childrens' bedtime stories, I was seeking truth. Truth of the afterlife. The Christian bible LIED & DECIEVED billions of ignorant believers and for what? FEAR and something to read at bed time? I'm NOT one of those... people!!! I was and still livid, after 38 years after leaving this mess, divided, unorganized company of thieves. Luckily, I found the truth I was looking for, and there is much scientific evidence and millions/billions who have experienced the same things I have and NO. It's not that comical Demons and Devils BS to scare ignorant believers into no leaving the church. I'm glad you Christians love your 'stories.' Christians are the LAST people ever to ask for spiritual guidance from. We all know where they will leed us!
I don't think that the captives on the Jesus Slave ship had that option. The Bible is loaded with propaganda like a spider waiting on it's prey. One of the biggest lies is making Jesus a god, Apostle Paul's brainstorm. The sure path for Racism. (1 King 8:27)(Romans 3:7)(Acts. 15:36-39)
I watch your videos every day Jacob, love them. May I suggest you work on your questions? Large vague questions throw the interviewee off their rhythm. ❤️
@@rafaelw8115 It's hard to know how he sounds he never says anything and when he finally asks a question he is asked to and asks it in such a way the man with all the knowledge has no idea of what he means. This very smart guy may as well make his own videos where he can share all his knowledge. I keep wondering if the other guy has died in his chair or just asleep with open eyes and when he talks he does it like his battery is dead so he has to do it slowly to press out just a few more words. I have never seen anyone before who has talks about something deep and then just sits there so the other guy has to sound like he is talking to himself, it must be difficult. So you can see I fully agree with you and it's a shame because the other guy really has a lot to share:) Have a great Week-end!!
Excellent interview as I have come to expect from Jacob and the HV channel. Dr Legh has touched on something at the beginning of this video which I find quite profound and equally disturbing. Christians follow a religion that seems to encourage them to pass the responsibility of their bad, unethical decisions off onto the mythical religious version of Jesus Christ as laid out in their religion. I have mentioned this to my Christian friends and of course they deny this. But when the religion claims that all of your "sins" are forgiven if you follow specific steps and Jesus death pays the price for those "sins" clearly this is a problem because it encourages followers of that religion to live life in any poor manner that they choose due to the belief that their faith will be enough to atone for any poor decisions that they make.
@ObjectiveEthics @savoirfaire6181 the NT does very well teach this, but Jesus does not. That's why it's critical to wake the average Christians up to the fact they are following the false apostle Paul's corrupted version of Christianity where only faith is necessary, and not _real_ Christianity taught by Christ wherein obedience to God and inherent righteousness _are_ required for salvation.
@@asphilosophyusa I agree that Jesus is more clear but I think that the evangelical view is a misunderstanding of Paul. He was mentally ill, no doubt, but he did teach obsessive obedience to Jesus rather than free grace. Paul taught we are to be slaves to Christ and he didn't assume that sanctification and justification are separated the way Protestants eventually did in misunderstanding him. He did not teach penal substitution or imputed righteousness but taught the same as Jesus that the cross was an example to follow. I don't believe in the Bible anymore but I did obsessively for 30 years and it was in taking it seriously that I grew out of it. Along my journey I deeply learned that evangelicals do not understand the Bible. Anyway it doesn't matter. It's all a lie, both Paul and Jesus.
@@ObjectiveEthics Except through Christians don't live like the way you want us to believe. Look reports by non Christian sources about the early Christians. They all claim they found no evil deeds among them. A True Christian is that of forgiveness, long suffering, being kind hearted, charity etc. You clearly don't know what Christianity is
@@savoirfaire6181 "He did not teach penal substitution or imputed righteousness but taught the same as Jesus that the cross was an example to follow." Delusional.
It was ancient Greek philospohy and learning, then adopted by the Romans, that spread throughout Europe and is the basis for what today is recognised as European civilisation. But not their gods and religious prcatice. Instead Europe ended up with an ancient middle eastern tribal god and religions. What would the world be like today if Europe had adopted the Roman/Greek religions?
Romans were mithraists before Christian, Mithraism is the roman offshoot of Zoroastrianism, Like Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism, except the theological philosophy of Christianity is Hellenistic platonic mixed with Judaism aka Hellenistic Judaism. The outcome was inevitable.
Yes, it is easily rejected by the history, the foot wound if you will, but until one knows all of the Bible at once, as well as the hermetic mysteries of the dying God, the Kaballah, the Egyptian gods, numerology, and several others, he will be unable to receive the royal key of David, Isaiah 22:22 which is the Sword of Revelation that slays Tiamat in order to become the son of man, the one who embodies all male spirituality perfectly, and becomes God, and makes new heavens and a new earth. That's how I would describe the Christian mysteries in a nut shell, but don't actually do the last bit.
Romans 14:11 says that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. You can either do it voluntarily while you are here on earth alive, or you will be forced to do it after your death. I have had a living encounter with Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit on 1 May 2005. My life has dramatically changed since then. Jesus uses me as an instrument in His hands in a ministry of inner healing and deliverance. ( I am a retired lawyer). I have had countless battles with demons in people and witnessed the destructive ways in which Satan destroys people, but I have luckely also witnessed the awesome overwhelming power of God setting the captives free. Those who have ears to hear, listen (Matthew 13:43).😊
@@jskok3280 you also now have delusions and mental illness. I hope you get treatment. good luck. the book you quote is fiction. It is just like going around quoting a star wars novel or a batman novel of today. Cherry picking slaves do that and most have mental issues. all the way back to the authors of this collection
Oohhh I wonder 2:02:50 where he gets that the non-hebrue gentiles needed to follow the 7 noahide laws? That’s so interesting as to the rabbiz today of chabad lubavitch sect saying the whole world of gentiles that are left surviving will be their slaves & will also follow noahide laws in order to even live in the new hebrue world order
The "Traitors called U.S. Gov" in the District of Columbia have already Passed A Jewish Law into OUR American Law ( Its a Crime) in the Dark of Night, Of Course, ( with 4 staying after All Congress dismissed, and voting " Noahide Laws into our "Education Law: It was Reagan or Bush Sr. First one to sign. It was for Their "Rebbi Shneerson" All Presidents have to sign it EVERY YEAR. So THEY ALL KNOW WHAT EVIL THEY HAVE DONE. Note: The 7 Noahide Laws.....have Hundreds of SUB- LAWS under them. One of them is "BEHEADING OF CHRISTIANS". There BEST FRIEND is about to be Inaugerated.
Amazing! I just bought the book! I’ve been doing this research on my own for the past 14 years, and he combined into that book so much of what I have been researching individually.
What about this man ??? His name was John Barnett Watch his video: ° WHERE IS AMERICA IN GOD'S END - OF- DAY BIBLICAL PROPHECIES/ John Barnett Online 🎇
i know far more than he does. i wrote a book, but will be published posthumously as they are history’s most successful murderers. i also did not have children so they could not torment/kill them. This guy offers ‘opinions’ but doesn’t actually prove anything. i can prove it, beyond any argument. i do not use any source to prove. i use math and it is undeniable.
Wow...I don't know this guy yet, but his opening couple of sentences tell me he knows the uninformed thinking of most of the US about religion and the Bible. (Most of which people have never actually read.) They simply "BELIEVE IN THEIR BELIEFS"... that are regurgitated over and over to the masses of non-thinking Americans. They have fallen in love with their fantasy about the Jesus story, while they know very little about the reality of how the story was crafted...and the truths about Jesus and his life. I can't wait to get his book and read it myself. If it is as it sounds...we NEED, as a nation, to get it out to the masses to ACTUALLY READ. And IF we can get them to turn off their dang TV's and Sports long enough to still read and think beyond their boxes of former "fixed beliefs" to actually still read something intelligent, rather than merely entertaining. 😢. Please people...use your logical reasoning skills...rather than simply claiming and regurgitating faith and beliefs until you brain wash yourself. Love God...❤. BUT STILL THINK!!! 😮😢. Please!!!
😢 He has researched other people who believe like him. The Bible has been proven with artifacts current prophecy , and archeological digs ,coins, writings, prophecy like the dead sea scrolls. This guy is so wrong ,but what scares me is those of you who believe him
Awesome episode! The doctor's presentation is answering (I'm only 2/3 of the way through this) some questions I have had for a long time, but apologists could never answer. I'm not blaming the apologists - they are trapped in circular reasoning by their faith, and religious faith by its very nature is uncompromising. Thus apologists are incapable of really answering many questions because only a logical, secular approach offers anything even close to an actual objective truth. Great job by the host too! Most often the best thing a host can do is stay out of the way as much as possible and let the guest present their case.
It was Constantine's MOTHER, Helen, who was an ardent Christian believer; she even went to the Middle East, to discover the locations of events in the jesus story, where the beautiful dome of the church of the holy suplecher(sp) in jerusalem
When she went to Jerusalem, she allegedly found the three crosses associated with the crucifixions. She sent one back to Constantine. She wasn't an honest person.
It's hard to believe that SNL hasn't parodied the host of this show. He has the energy of a heroin addict who's just taken a sleeping pill after eating a huge turkey dinner. Hats off to his guest for basically performing his own question and answer interview. Very entertaining for all the wrong reasons.
Very true. Considering the attitude and demeanor of this host, the guest should be highly commended for even staying on the show for the whole duration.
Because from the time of Moses, they were told to use sheep's doves and other animals to be an atonement of sins especially sheep, and Jesus was likened to sheep's because He alone can pay for sins of men
@@iederilzitro3945human sacrifice isn’t the expiation of sins it’s what you do on ur own and through Gods mercy and you’re repentance that you’re saved
No such thing as a "deconstructing" Catholic... Deceived, led astray, infidel, fell by the way side, fell upon stony places, fell among thorns...all possibilities, according to our Savior Jesus (Matthew 13); and this breaks my heart. Just Imagine how The Lord must feel... Fortunately, it's not too late (yet...) to rejoin the fold. True Catholics build and edify, they don't "deconstruct"... "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own *lusts* shall they heap to themselves *teachers*, having *itching* ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." (2 Timothy 4:3,4)
@@lgroschiensalle - Of course a proponent of Christianism (belief police) would write this. Doesn't mean a damned thing. Could be applied to any sect or cult.
What Dr. Allen is describing at about 5:00 as "the fundamentals of Christianity" is not the true Christianity taught by Christ and His apostles but rather the corrupt and bastardized version which I label "Pauline" Christianity, or simply Paulinism. Most Christians don't want to accept that the Gospels and the Pauline epistles teach two different and completely contradictory religions with diametrically opposing views of salvation. You have the Gospels (esp. the synoptics) on the one hand, and the Pauline epistles + Hebrews on the other. Most "Christians" follow the Pauline epistles and not real Christianity. So Dr. Allen is not really criticizing Christianity here, but a corrupted version of Christianity that has nothing to do with the teachings of Christ.
Paul didn't preach a corrupted version of Christianity. He preached who and what Christ means to all. What he preached is what the prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Malachi etc prophecied about the one to come. Don't even think you fully understand who and what Christ is.
@@chuckles9767 Paul did not invent Christ being God, he is God. And without Christ being God the Old Testament is a lie. John 10:30 [30]I and My Father are one.” John 5:25-26 [25]Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. [26]For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, John 17:1-2 [1]Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, [2]as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. The Jewish religious establishment literally killed him because he made himself equal with God.
@@chuckles9767 Paul did not invent Christ being God, he is God. And without Christ being God the Old Testament is a lie. John 1:1 [1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 8:47 [47]He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.” Before Abraham Was, I AM John 10:30 [30]I and My Father are one.” John 5:25-26 [25]Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. [26]For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,
@@jerrydelacruz5119I have studied Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew, with their words and how they became their Bible. Either through the scholars working with King James the Second, striking out, the Adonais, and replacing the word, Lord, removing the tyrant references. The King did not want to be considered a tyrant (though he was), so he changed the "Word of God". One also has Ezra, returning from enslavement to rewrite the Torah with the other Sanhedrin. These words are a bit different than Masoretic Torah (put together by Ptolemy the 3rd, i believe), and still different again interpretations from scrolls 3000 years ago. But, it is the "Word of God" Then one may go and find the Samaritan Torah and it is different than the Pentateuch. I am so done with all the words. I believe there is something good and wonderful about life. I do not trust anything Humans put together as the Truth. Religion and Language are controlled by the ruling class, which is known as the Royal Secret.
We were born into SINE (time), not SIN. It is a misinterpretation of classic Greek in Hebrew and then into English. The price of SINE(living in time) is DEATH ...
@@ToyBodbijl-nt4hv So accurate...he needs some life infused into him. He looks as bored as he sounds. And either half asleep or drugged. Dude...wake up!
I look at scripture as the wisdom of those who came before me presented in figurative fashion. This means one must place oneself in the story to recognize the wisdom. I look at Jesus as a man who transcended the ways of the world to become an image of selflessness. He offered Himself as sacrifice after challenging the dominant social structures of the day. Jesus became the Christ after traveling to Egypt and then to Nepal in search of ancient wisdom. He then returned to the Middle East to present a clearer form of wisdom than the one that was then available. When Jesus said, “I come in fulfillment of scripture,” He was specifically targeting the tradition of imperfect love. He simply wanted people to love God and each other.
Why does he let so many suffer? In this moment people are suffering why hasn’t he come back by now? He literally told his apostles he would be back before their lives were over so a wire and where is he? Just a simple question but I like your writing and thought on it just not to be taken seriously too much but there’s more than just nothing after this world I believe
in terms given by Bart Ehrman paraphrasing Earl Doherty, it is the view that "the historical Jesus did not exist. Or if he did, he had virtually nothing to do with the founding of Christianity."
I read a very good book by Tom Harper called The Pagan Christ many years ago. It takes a very interesting dives into the similarities of ancient myths, and the evolution of Jesus Christ. Interestingly enough, it was given to me by a Catholic priest that I used to work for. I believe Tom Harper now deceased was at one time an Anglican minister. I find the term Christian strange as Catholics are technically Christians, but they usually do not refer to themselves as such. They say they’re Catholic. Now the Catholic church has not been a very kind religion in the past, however, scholars of the Catholic Church today are quite liberally minded. At least the ones I met while working for the church. The scholars I spoke with certainly differentiated between Jesus Christ as a person of history and the Catholic faith of today🇨🇦
cathics think and say they are Christians, tank you very much - will you try not to have such ignorant or preconceived ideas about the Catholic Church, please?
@ I certainly don’t know why you think I have ignorant or preconceived ideas about the Catholic Church as I was raised in one and studied theology but knock yourself out. I am only differentiating Catholics from fundamental Christians. Catholics are not fundamentalists.
@@deborahhebblethwaite1865Correct thinking that the person you are answering is just a whining drunk if his spelling and comment are anything to go bye
Why does he keep referring to Judeans as Jews? As far as I have searched, the term Jews came alive in the 14th century and yet he is referring to the very early history.
Dr. Allen, and everyone else listening to this podcast: there WAS an historical Jesus (Yeshua bar Joseph) who "ran away from home" at age 12 to (among other reasons) avoid a traditionally arranged marriage typical of upperclass/wealthy boys and girls of that age. He traveled, many believe, hidden among his wealthy maternal uncle's merchant caravan to India, Persia, and Tibet where he was fully exposed to Buddhism, finally spending most of his time, until the age of ~ 29 or 30, at the Tibetan Monastery at Ladakh (his life and studies there are well-documented among their historical diaries/books). He became a much-beloved teacher there among the poor and lower classes, and was known as "Issa" (a bastardization of his Jewish name, Yeshua). Due to his violation of the centuries old tradition of enlightened masters restricting those teachings to the nobility and upper classes, he was eventually ousted from that Tibetan society, and he returned to his birthplace in Palestine, where he resumed his Buddhist teachings, but to his "own' people. If historians, religious researchers, and others would simply DROP THEIR CULTURAL PREJUDICES LONG ENOUGH TO OPEN UP TO AND READ THIS READY AVAILABLE MATERIAL, MUCH OF THE TRUTH (AND ERRONEOUS INFO) SURROUNDING JESUS' LIFE, TRUE TEACHINGS, AND LATER CORRUPTION BY THE ROMAN GOVERNMENT AND ITS PAGAN INFLUENCES, MUCH OF THE CONFUSING ELEMENTS OF CHRISTIANITY'S DEVELOPMENT WOULD BECOME EXPLICABLE. The Dead Sea Scrolls were an attempt by - probably the Essenes and other early followers of Jesus - to save and maintain his true teachings from Rome's corrupted narrative.
Lots of "science" is more about interpretation of data, about politics, and about material profit.than about the data. It also universally ignores THE one thing we know more than anything as fact ie consciousness.
Yes Consciousness is the Ground of all Being and in 1994 I identified the physical correlate of the Inner Light of Pure Consciousness undermining both Physicalist Science and Theistic Religion. The Synthesis of Science and (True) Spirituality is already underway. See Undermining the Walls of the Ivory Towers of White Mythology on the Invading the Sacred site.
it's big but the font is pretty big and the margins are huge. It's a very enjoyable read since your hands don't coverup the words when you hold the book. Also he had the foot notes on the same page - unlike end notes. And he's done very thorough research. A definitive tome really but I'm only maybe a third through it.
Glad he's back. I'm really enjoying his book - such thorough deep research. Very professional academic quality. I was hoping he would be on your show again.
The alphabet letter, J , was invented in 1524 CE, 500 years ago. There were NO alphabet letter , J , in ANY alphabet nor language in the ENTIRE WORLD until the 16th century. Therefore, it is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE for the true name of our Messiah to be Jesus. Jesus’ name is only about 400 years old. Jesus name is pagan Greek meaning inferior, substandard. YAHUSHA - ORIGINAL INSPIRED Paleo Hebrew Name meaning: “ I am your Deliverer.” AlleluYAH ! AlleluYAHUAH ! AlleluYAHUSHA !
You got it right about the name Jesus. You got it wrong about this name Yahusha. Amazing how so many have been taken by this form when there is absolutely no biblical nor Hebrew grammatical basis for it at all. All because Lew White and the cypher people try to turn "shua" to something negative or bad, when that "shua" has nothing to do with "shua" in the Messiah's actual name YAHSHUA! Besides the fact that Hebrew can have a few meanings for words with the same root letters, history and Hebrew grammar supports "shua" in the Messiah's name, among other names in the scriptures. And why are you using some Greek form of HalleluYah? Allelu?! really?
💯. Fictional character and Fictional book.the letter j was not in the alphabet until 1524.the father of letter j is Gian Giorgio trissino an Italian author and grammarian who lived from 1478-1550
Velikovsky’s Mankind in Amnesia shows that the god myth comes from the ancient cataclysms in historical memory. Mankind thought that these events were because of something they had done and the way to prevent future annihilation was to appease the gods, thus begins human sacrifice vestiges of which we can still see in things like infant circumcision or honoring Saturn’s Day and keeping it holy. Infant circumcision is the mutilation of a babies genitals in order to please YHWH. Very rational, too.
How do you keep people from rising up when they suffer with a lack of meeting their needs among those who have more than they need. Promise they will be rewarded for not rising up after they die. That protects the other from violence and having to give up some of their wealth.
@@CarmellaMulroy You can easily find out from the records and photographs of those who landed on the moon and brought samples of it's soil back. So, the truth of what the moon is made of is incontrovertible. Every feature on the moon had been identified by both eye witnesses and satellites.
How likely is it that the christian christ character was created by the Israelite faith healer Simon of Samaria, and he attached his christ character to the Galilean Jew known as Yeshu the Egyptian?
Having watched the whole thing, this is not what I was expecting. More true to the title would be Abelards book "True Authorship of the New Testament," or George Lees on youtube. Gnosticism and Zoroastrianism are the worst, IMHO. Good and evil only exist in the intentions of men. In reality there are just actions and consequences. The One God of the Hebrews becomes the Christian Gnostic Demiurge. How backwards, evil, and dumb it is to look at God and all he created and conclude he's an evil demiurge, the material world is evil, and because they hated Jehovah, the Christian Gnostics just invented all that stuff about demiurge and sophia, they just pulled all that out of their butts. If there is a true God higher then the material world god, why does it allow everything to be evil? Another thing I'd correct is that Judaism does in fact have an afterlife, ressurrection or reincarnation, which happens in Isaiah 65. Judaism has the right idea, be reborn and inherit the Earth while all the other death worshipping cults who seek an eternal death in some imaginary spirit world can wither away or stay dead. The Buddhists and their nirvana, Egyptians and their dying to become stars. I want nothing to do with any of that, just bring me back here.
What about Queen Helena who organised a famine relief in Judea and her son Izates Monombaz? They were converted, or baptized, into Helenistic Judaism. There's the basis for Jesus
Just want to say thanks and acknowledge this man for taking the time to sit and so eloquently describe these factual historical archeological findings using the scientific methods clearly debunk all of this evil heirophantic propaganda ❤
There appears to be a lot of highly motivated athiests who claim to be responsible and rational, attacking belief systems with "scientific" method. Perhaps they should start by stating their credentials, motives, and what they believe is scientific method.
The new testament writers have put their own words contrary to old testament. But the prophets never lied, nor did YAHshua {Ihsua, Ehsua, Yeshua}. So who is this "jesus"?
People use everything as an excuse to commit anything that is irrational, and self fulfilling...religion is just one excuse that those who are too cowardly to honestly believe in GOD use to try to use out of not understanding GOD, while putting the blame on him. Funny how people blame GOD for not showing up, while blaming him for being GOD, as they find convenient. Anything is subject to "in the wrong hands". GOD is real, every single one of us will come to that reality someday. if you would like to spend your time on Earth trying to explain this away, however fruitless it will be proven, it is your right. I, personally, don't feel upset at people for not knowing this, but I do plead. God Bless You All In Jesus Name.
Peace to you. I agree. There will be a day when we will unite with Christ. We look through a glass darkly now but all will be revealed after we leave this body.
So which "GOD" is the real god? There are thousands of different religions on the planet that worship & follow many different gods. My point is - what if you are worshipping the wrong god? 😱 Please explain how the evidence for the god you worship is stronger than the evidence for the other gods that people worship.
@@discontinuedmodel232only the unseeen God thats above any human minds. God is energy and we can’t see energy but feel it. We need that energy to in tune our lives to its frequency. Not anyone’s death will bring salvation but our kindness towards Gods creation
"The majority of the population don't seem to be able to take responsibility for their actions...often they fall back on their religious faith saying that their belief system will save them, that they don't need to take personal responsibility for what's happening." Interesting premise. Christians believe they are held totally accountable and must take full responsibility for their thought processes and actions.
In Islam God Almighty created man in a pure state called fitra a natural state of being , nothing to do with original sin which is a concept introduced after Jesus pbuh. The sin that happened between Adam and Eve (Hawa)in heaven was forgiven. by God Almighty in heaven right there. After their forgiveness they were sent down to Earth. So Christians should get rid of this false concept of original sin which does not make sense.
Thomas J. J. Altizer spoke of Jesus' death on the cross as a redemptive event that passed the baton to humanity. In The Gospel of Christian Atheism, he stated, "Every man today who is open to experience knows that God is absent, but only the Christian knows that God is dead, that the death of God is a final and irrevocable event and that God's death has actualized in our history a new and liberated humanity."
Yes. I realize I am quite gullible. I met a teacher in a dream once standing next to a desk, with a bookshelf that covered the wall. He asked me one question “Are you going to go your entire life and not learn a few traditions”? I mumbled some excuse and the dream ended. I now wish I had asked him to be more specific, but he was not. The question is two fold, knowledge and practice. There is much to learn. “Credo ut intelligam”
1:22:13 by *_inconceivable_* plotinus clearly means something like characterized in a positive way... like resembling something we already know and thus permitting us to imagine it... if to conceive of something it were enough to describe it in an exclusively apophatic manner, only with negations, then the word *_inconceivable_* would be completely meaningless and probably wouldn't even exist.. so people probably should abandon pretending to be witty and saying that to affirm that something is inconceivable is a paradox ... it is not, it has a very definite and clear meaning and nobody really understands "inconceivable" to be a specific enough description so as to permit to imagine and know in your mind the thing being described... the word simply means that you cannot imagine it cause it doesn't resemble anything that you know or can know.. it's not even an apparent paradox so quit this puerile silliness ...
The guy already acknowledges that humans have an innate tendency towards religious belief or "irrationality" and yet claims if we just got rid of religion, Christianity in particular, we'd have an oh-so-rational world, a truly mad idea when everyone can plainly see how nuts current secular ideologies are.
My belief is religion should not be taught as a truth, but a set of allegories and metaphors. These stories may aid people. Having an ethically based religion, which is not antihuman, antinature and antiscience, would be more helpful . The problem we have with religion is what the dogmatic zealots do and their abject dismissal of science. Every Human, apparently, needs stories to aid navigating life.
I think this is what Nietzsche was predicting. I agree that plenty of crazy ideologies, including making science a religion, have flooded into the void left by the debunking of the religious worldview as a source of facts.
To me the mythicist position makes more sense. I don't see anything historical in the gospels. Theology, myths, fantasy. and Q could have come from any jewish preacher or sects around that time. Can anyone tell me why Q most likely comes from the historical Jesus? I can't see it.
So this dude says the Greeks were the first ones to use science in explaining religious beliefs. So you just skipped over the Ancient Egyptians, Nubia and Ethiopians. Where do think the greeks got their schooling from, and they even admitted where they were taught, philosophy, mathmatics, writing, science, agriculture, astrology, architecture and meteorology. None of qhat he is saying holds no water unless he starts from where the Egyptians taught spiritualism not religion.
It would be so cool to have the time to get down into what the stories mean. Apparently mark is an allegory from start to finish and the writer of mark was a genius. Does anyone know of a good UA-camr that does a good breakdown of mark?
@@CarmellaMulroy I'm afraid you'll have to learn how to read. That the events of Mark are historical is widely believed. The memoirs of Peter. Strive to be authentic, not bigoted against God.
The bible gives you Jesus and his antichrist adversary Paul of Tarsus, but they were actually both Apollonius. The thorn of Satan or Demiurge in his flesh is Leviathan, as in Galatians 4:14, Job 41:4, and Psalm 74:14, where the beasts heads were wounded, yet he lived. This may have been Marduk slaying Tiamat, the primordial fabric of the universe. The beast ascends from the pit and goes into perdition just to be slain again, by the Son of Man Michael the prince, the one who stands in the temple of God, SHOWING, that he, is, in fact God, and when God makes new heavens, the old creation passes away akin to Shiva, the number 7.
Now concerning these verses, 414 is the code for slaying leviathan. 22 chapters of Revelation, and 22 verses of revelation 3, turn Revelation into the sword in the Stone (Peter / PTAH) and THOTH leaves his 7 thunders as a witness. They are codes formed by putting the 26 English letters into groups of 7. These become a spiritual battleground over the meaning of numbers 1-9, and their perfect correspondences. The lightning must pass through these 9 spheres before it is realized in the material world. Isaiah 22:22 tells us he is given the key, as eludes to the 22, 22, mentioned earlier. Revelation 3:7 This is he who has the royal key of David which opens the door of number 6 mankind and the material world to be reformatted, and saves the church of Philadelphia by constructing Noah's Ark, the Cube of Gilgamesh was is also revealed in the hermetic wisdom of THOTH, and by hermetic, I mean find it on your own, invent it yourself. Put it together if one is able. The 2D Holographic universe is maintained in 3D as linked with the 7 days of creation, for everything was made perfect in 6 days, as a blueprint, but it wasn't until God rested that everything was truly complete. 3D space is maintained by God being asleep.
Understanding where Christianity lost the plot takes us back to the beginning of the story with Adam and Eve. The sin they committed caused them to immediately die which obviously was not a physical death but rather spiritual death. The quest then must be to regain eternal spiritual life not eternal physical life. If Jesus' death was to pay the wages of our sin (spiritual death) then he would have to pay for that price, meaning he would have to be dead eternally for all mankind so we can all live eternally like we did before we sinned. If he is now eternally alive then that blows the whole concept of his eternal death payment so that we can have eternal life. It doesn't even make logical sense much less mythical sense. The only way any man can live eternally is to go back and make restitution OURSELVES for our own sins. This is ONLY accomplished by repentance and Gods mercy and grace. Which is exactly what he said thousands of times and even in the NT this is taught. The whole Jesus vicarious atonement story was obviously added later into the texts and easy to prove. We must each be personally responsible for our mistakes and make them right. Christianity takes personal responsibility out of the equation which has led to 2k years of complete personal debauchery and chaos. Who in the hell wouldn't want want to continue to live by their sin nature and be told that the tab has already been paid in full. Of course people are going to continue to live like complete debauched imbeciles and WORSE, all while thinking they are righteous in their creators eyes. Its the biggest racquet and scam ever pulled on mankind. The point of the NT was to remove all the physical rituals of temple service and animal sacrifice which never paid for sins either. The NT was originally written to restore spiritual accountability for actions that no physical rituals could ever make right. They were all actions in futility if ones spiritual heart was still full of sin. This is why i cant understand Christianity. If Jesus took away the price for sins, (eternal death) then why try to pretend to be righteous? Why go to church? Why help others? Its contradictions in terms. It doesn't matter how you live or what you do. Stop trying to act righteous and go ahead and live openly as the devil. Which is what most do in private anyway. The whole religion lost its way with the ridiculous virgin birth story that was added by Rome by taking Isaiah 7 completely out context. This one narrative is what led to 2k years of deception and billions of people believing and living a false religion. I can say these things because i lived it for 55 years until i finally decided to read the WHOLE bible for myself in context. Rocked my world but not for too long because i always knew it didn't make logical sense. And its NOT a big mystery as Christians have parroted for centuries to explain away the obvious contradictions. 😮.
A spiritual death, before they had even invented a spiritual life but walked with god in his fictional garden? That's just poor apologetics and illogical nonsense made up by some cultist.
How is it that Jesus was not a part of Mary's body? Wasn't her egg used to make him? If so then his flesh or his body was born of sin,because mary was born of sin.
Yes, that was the whole purpose of Jesus coming, the divine in a sinful body, which was put to death on the cross, then raised 3 days later, utterly destroying sin and death. Now we just need to live the promise, if we live and believe in Jesus we will never die.
These 2 people are exactly the reason why God says very few will find it and there are Only a small percentage of people who make it to heaven. And in the end there is 144000 think about it, this is the Reason Romans say they are fools, they think they are so intellectually advanced, but they are actually fools. ROMANS 1:22
If the 144,000 is true, let's put in the time perspective that has passed thus far with the millions of people that have already passed on. That would indicate to me that the majority, if not all people today, have tickets to hell
In the Bible, "itchy ears" is a phrase used in 2 Timothy 4:3, signifying a desire to hear only messages that align with one's personal desires, essentially seeking out teachers who will cater to their wants rather than listening to sound, truthful doctrine, even if it might be uncomfortable or challenging; it represents a rejection of the truth in favor of comforting lies.
It takes about 90 seconds to work out here is someone with a beef against religion. Now where would be best an idea like that? All the world's problems can be solved if we only get rid of religion and start to think rationally. Of course, when a neighbour breaks down his fence, in the absence of any legal authority, he will rationally negotiate recompense with his irrational neighbour. What bull.
The professor seems to think that the 4 gospels were written by "historians and story writers". They were neither. They were witnesses to the fact. It is telling that he acknowlwdges the 4 gospel witnesses. All archivel and archeological evidencs asserts that Yeshua was a real person. and had a profound affect on the history and events of that region.
Jesus did exist but the story made up on him is coming from people who were polytheist. So Christianity has been shaped on origins of Greek and Roman religions. Jesus identity is not what he really was. Jesus was not God but a man of God
The "Most High" originally referred to the Canaanite god El. The father of the gods in ancient Canaan, including Yahweh. They both are fictional, as are the hundreds of other gods from that region. --------------------------------------------------------- According to the general consensus of scholarship *(even critical Christian scholars),* YHWH was originally incorporated into the Canaanite pantheon as a son of the Canaanite high god El before inheriting the top spot in the pantheon and El's wife Athirat (Asherah) before religious reforms "divorced" them. El's pantheon in Ugarit (modern day Ras Shamra in Syria) is called the *Elohim,* literally the plural of El. Interestingly, the Biblical god is also referred to numerous times as Elohim. If you want to see if El is fictional, just read his mythology in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts. "The mysterious Ugaritic text Shachar and Shalim tells how (perhaps near the beginning of all things) *El* came to shores of the sea and saw two women who bobbed up and down. *El* was sexually aroused and took the two with him, killed a bird by throwing a staff at it, and roasted it over a fire. He asked the women to tell him when the bird was fully cooked, and to then address him either as husband or as father, for he would thenceforward behave to them as they called him. They saluted him as husband. He then lay with them, and they gave birth to Shachar ("Dawn") and Shalim ("Dusk"). Again *El* lay with his wives and the wives gave birth to "the gracious gods", "cleavers of the sea", "children of the sea". The names of these wives are not explicitly provided, but some confusing rubrics at the beginning of the account mention the goddess *Athirat (Asherah),* who is otherwise *El's* chief wife, and the goddess Raḥmayyu ("the one of the womb"), otherwise unknown." *"First, a god named El predates the arrival of the Israelites into Syria-Palestine.* Biblical usage shows El was not just a generic noun, but often a proper name for Israel’s God (e.g., Gen 33:20: “El, the God of Israel”)." "I should add here that it is very clear from the grammar that the noun nachalah in v. 9 should be translated “inheritance.” *Yahweh receives Israel as his “inheritance” (nachalah), just as the other sons of El received their nations as their inheritance (nachal, v. 8).* With this verb, especially in the Hiphil, the object is always what is being given as an inheritance. Thus, Israel is given to Yahweh as his inheritance. ((Here I’m indebted to Dan McClellan.)) It would make no sense for Elyon to give himself an inheritance. Moreover, as I’ve argued elsewhere, it is not just the Gentile nations that are divided up according to the number of the *sons of El.* It is all of humankind, i.e., “the sons of Adam.” This clearly includes Israel. And the sons of Adam are not divided up according to the number of the *sons of El,* plus one (i.e., plus Elyon). They are divided up, according to the text, *solely* according to the number of the *sons of El.* *Thus, that Yahweh receives Israel as his inheritance makes Yahweh one of the sons of El mentioned in v. 8. Any other construal of the text would constitute its rewriting.* A Sumerian hymn speaks to the goddess: “Nanshe, your divine powers are not matched by any other divine powers.” *Does this mean that Nanshe was the high goddess, that there were no gods above her? No, it does not.* Nanshe was the daughter of Enki, the high god. *In Sumerian mythology, as with Ugaritic, Israelite, Babylonian, and others, in the ancient past, the high god (Enki, in this case) divided up the world and assigned his children certain domains.* Nanshe was given a limited domain (the modern Persian Gulf) and was tasked with maintaining social justice there. *This is exactly what we see in Deuteronomy 32 with Yahweh. Yahweh is given a limited domain (Israel) and is given authority over his people, to punish them, as well as to protect and defend them against foreign enemies.* That Yahweh, like Nanshe, is said to have incomparable divine power *does not* mean that he is not subordinate to the high god who gave him his domain. *It is also of note that Nanshe, like Baal, Yahweh, and so many other deities, evolved over time. Her domain increased, and she was promoted in the pantheon (although she never became the high goddess)."* *"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.* (Written by Thom Stark who is a Christian) *"Michael Heiser: A Unique Species? - Religion at the Margins"* (A second response to Michael Heiser) *"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."* *"The Table of Nations: The Geography of the World in Genesis 10"* - TheTorah.com (Excluding the short narrative on Nimrod (vv. 8-12), *which appears to be a later addition,* Genesis 10 contains *70* names of nations or cities, a number that was symbolic of totality. Similarly, the descendants of Jacob were *70* in number (Gen 46:37; Exod 1:5), *as were the sons of the supreme Canaanite god El, with whom YHWH became equated.)* *"Polytheism and Ancient Israel’s Canaanite Heritage. Part V | theyellowdart"* (Of course, much of this [i.e., that Israel worshiped El and Asherah alongside YHWH] is really to be expected given that recent syntheses of the *archaeological, cultural, and literary data* pertaining to the emergence of the nation of Israel in the Levant *show that most of the people who would eventually compose this group were originally Canaanite. As the Hebrew Bible notes, the Hebrew language itself is a Canaanite language, literally the “lip of Canaan” (שְׂפַת כְּנַעַן; Is. **19:18**), and so it cannot often be distinguished by modern scholars from other Canaanite inscriptions on purely linguistic grounds.)* *"Ugarit - New World Encyclopedia"* (Ugaritic religion centered on the chief god, Ilu or El, whose titles included "Father of mankind" and "Creator of the creation." The Court of El was referred to as the (plural) 'lhm or ***Elohim,*** a word ***later used by the biblical writers to describe the Hebrew deity*** and translated into English as "God," in the singular. El, which was ***also the name of the God of Abraham,*** was described as an aged deity with white hair, seated on a throne.) *"Mark Smith: Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh’s Ascendency - Lehi's Library"* (Mark Smith is a Catholic) *"God, Gods, and Sons (and Daughters) of God in the Hebrew Bible. Part III | theyellowdart"* *"02 | December | 2009 | Daniel O. McClellan - Psalm 82"* (Daniel McClellan is a Mormon) *"Elohim | Daniel O. McClellan"* (Refer to the article "Angels and Demons (and Michael Heiser)") *"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."* (Pay attention to whose wife Asherah (Athirat) is in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts and how she became the wife of YHWH/Yahweh) *"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."* *"Asherah, God's Wife in Ancient Israel. Part IV - theyellowdart"* *"The Gates of Ishtar - El, was the original god of the bible."* *"The Gates of Ishtar - Anath in the Elephantine Papyri"* (In addition to Asherah (Athirat) being the consort of Yahweh, it appears some Israelites also viewed the Canaanite goddess Anat(h) as Yahweh's consort) *"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopedia"* (Refer to the section "Relationship to Biblical Religion") *"The Syncretization of Yahweh and El : reddit/AcademicBiblical"* (For a good summary of all of the above articles) Watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 2 from 40:40 to 41:50 minutes, lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards, lecture 8 from 12:00 to 17:30 minutes and lecture 12 from 34:30 minutes onwards. Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on. Watch *"How Monotheism Evolved"* by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40. Watch *"Atheism - A History of God (The Polytheistic Origins of Christianity and Judaism)"* (By a former theist) Watch *"The Origins of Yahweh"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica.
@@AnthonyRMaradin Yes. You are obviously not familiar with the scholarship. I suggest you take the time to look into it properly. More references for you. -----------------------------------------‐-------------- Nevertheless, the historical reconstruction that El was the chief god of the Israelites is not indebted only to the testimony of the (rather late) biblical witness of P. *Numerous biblical texts attest to the fact that the titles, functions, and the imagery associated with the Canaanite god El, as revealed by the Ugaritic texts and the Canaanite myth of Elkunirša, were assimilated into the profile of the deity YHWH.* According to the Ugaritic texts, El was known for his *wisdom* (e.g., KTU2 1.4.V.65[6]) and *great age* (’ab šnm, *“Father of Years,”* and drd, *“Ageless One,”* in KTU2 1.4.IV.24 and 1.10.III.6, respectively),[7] his *compassionate nature* (lţpn il dp’id, *“Kind El, the Compassionate One,”* e.g., KTU2 1.16.IV.9), his role as *father of the gods and humanity* (’ab ’adm, *“father of humanity,”* KTU2 1.14..III.47, and bny bnwt, *“creator of creatures,”* KTU2 1.17.I.24) and *creator of the cosmos.* [8] El was the *divine King* (e.g., KTU2 1.2.III.5-6) and the *head of the pantheon or divine council* (referred to variously as the dr ’il, *“circle of El/Family of El,”* KTU2 1.15.III.19; mpħrt bn ’il, *“the assembly of the sons of El,”* KTU2 1.65.3; bn ’il, *“the sons of El,”* KTU2 1.40.33, 41; pħr kbbm, *“assembly of the stars,”* KTU2 1.10.I.3-4; ‘dt ’ilm, *“assembly of the gods,”* KTU2 1.15.II.7; cf. KTU2 1.2.I; 1.3V; 1.4 IV-V) which met at the sacred mountain. *His consort was the goddess Athirat who bore him seventy sons* (šb‘m bn ’atrt, *“the seventy sons of Athirat,”* KTU2 1.4.VI.46). El was also known for his *divine patronage and blessing of progeny to humans* (as in the Epic of Kirta; see, for example, KTU2 1.14.III.46-51), for his *appearances to humans in dreams* (e.g., KTU2 1.14.I.35-37), as *being a healer* (KTU2 1.16.V-VI), and for his *dwelling at the sacred mountain* (e.g., KTU2 1.2.III.5-6) at the *sources of the mythical rivers* (KTU2 1.2.III.4; 1.3.V.6; 1.4.IV.20-22; 1.17.V.47-48) in a *tent* (KTU2 1.2.III.5; 1.3.V.8; 1.4.IV.24; 1.17.V.49; c.f. the Canaanite myth Elkunirša which *describes El’s abode as a tent[9]).[10]* *To underscore the fact that terminology and imagery originally used for the god El was adopted by the Israelites in their descriptions of YHWH,* the following brief summary might be placed in comparison to the discussion of El above: YHWH is an *aged, patriarchal deity* (Ps. 102:28; Job 36:26; Is. 40:28; Dan. 7.9-14, 22), *a father* (Deut. 32:6; Is. 63:16; 64:7; Jer. 3:4, 19; 31:9, etc.), *merciful and gracious* (Ex. 34:6; Jon. 4:2; Joel 2:13; Ps. 8615; 103:8; 145:8, etc.), *a divine patron who bestows the blessing of progeny upon Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,* often manifesting himself in *dreams or visions, a healer* (Gen. 20:17; Num. 12:13; 2 Kgs. 20:5, 8; Ps. 107:20, etc.), who *dwells in a tent* (Ps. 15:1; 27:6; 91:10; 132:3) *amidst the heavenly waters* (Ps. 47:5; 87; Is. 33: 20-22; Ez. 47:1-12, etc.), the *creator of the cosmos,* who is enthroned as *heavenly King* in the *divine council* (1 Kgs. 22:19; Is. 6:1-8; cf. Ps. 29:1-2; 82; 89: 5-8, etc.) on the *sacred mount of assembly* (e.g., Is. 14:13). Additionally, in much Israelite religious practice throughout the monarchic period, *YHWH had a divine consort, the goddess Asherah, the Hebrew equivalent of Ugaritic Athirat.[11]* (Originally the wife of El) *"When Jehovah Was Not the God of the Old Testament. Part II - theyellowdart"* Watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 2 from 40:40 to 41:50 minutes, lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards, lecture 8 from 12:00 to 17:30 minutes and lecture 12 from 34:30 minutes onwards. Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on. Watch *"How Monotheism Evolved"* by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40. ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society."* ("The study in Cell not only establishes that the ancient Israelites were ***descended from the Canaanites,*** but also establishes that the Canaanite people across the separate city-states of the southern Levant, and over a period of 1,500 years, were a genetically cohesive people.") *"The Canaanites weren't annihilated, they just 'moved' to Lebanon - The Times of Israel."* *"Ancient Canaanite religion explained* - everything.explained.today" *"Archeology of the Hebrew Bible - NOVA - PBS"* ("Many scholars now think that *most of the early Israelites were originally Canaanites, displaced Canaanites,* displaced from the lowlands, from the river valleys, displaced geographically and then displaced ideologically.") *"Origins of Judaism explained* - everything.explained.today" ("According to the current academic historical view, the origins of Judaism lie in the Bronze Age amidst polytheistic ancient Semitic religions, ***specifically evolving out of Ancient Canaanite polytheism,*** then co-existing with Babylonian religion, and syncretizing elements of Babylonian belief into the worship of Yahweh as reflected in the early prophetic books of the Hebrew Bible. (The Torah)". *Refer to the bibliography at the bottom of the page)* *"Canaanite languages - Britannica"* ("Group of Northern Central or Northwestern Semitic languages including ***Hebrew,*** Moabite, Phoenician, and Punic.") *"El - New World Encyclopedia"* (Refer to the section "El Outside the Bible" and the fact that *most of the early Israelites were originally indigenous or displaced Canaanites)* *"El (deity) explained* - everything.explained.today" (Refer to section "Ugarit and the Levant" and the fact that *most of the ancient Israelites were originally indigenous or displaced Canaanites* and see how Yahweh, later conflated with El (Yahweh-El(ohim)) is fictional) *"The Gods and Goddesses of Canaan - Essay - The Metropolitan Museum of Art - Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History"* *"Canaanite Phoenician Origin of the God of the Israelites."* *"The Phoenician (Canaanite) God Resheph in the Bible - Is That in the Bible?"* *"How the Jews Invented God and Made Him Great- Archaeology - Haaretz."* *"When the Jews believed in other gods - Archaeology - Haaretz"* *"The Invention of God - Maclean's"* *"How Did the Bible’s Editors Conceal Evidence of Israelite Polytheism - Evolution of God by Robert Wright."* *"A Theologically Revised Text: Deuteronomy 32:8-9 - Ancient Hebrew Poetry."* *"Biblical Contradiction #3: Which God is the Creator of the Heavens and Earth: Yahweh or El?"* - Dr Steven DiMattei *"Biblical Contradiction #27. Are Yahweh and El the Same God or Not?"* - Dr Steven DiMattei *"Biblical Contradiction **#294**, **#295**, **#296**. Which god liberated Israel from Egypt: Yahweh or El?"* - Dr Steven DiMattei *"Quartz Hill School of Theology - B425 Ugarit and the Bible."* *"The Origins of Yahweh and the Revived Kenite Hypothesis - Is That in the Bible?"* *"Yahweh, god of metallurgy - Fewer Lacunae."* *"Polytheistic Roots of Israelite Religion - Fewer Lacunae."* *"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* *"Religious Studies: El, Yahweh and the Development of Monotheism in Ancient Israel."* *"Yhwh, God of Edom - Daniel O. McClellan."*
2:25:00 Christ spiritualism wasn't a thing though, there's no greek word for spiritual other than pneumatic, which isn't spirit it's pnuema-dealing with breathing, exertion. Spiritual is from the 1890s of yankee lands/new england area, "burning district".
The interviewer depresses me with his sullen tones and silent pauses but great guest. Im glad we have Christianity, there is no greater source of hope, joy and goodness in this world. Not to mention the art, architecture, literature and music it has produced. God bless you all.
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Only if YOU purchase a genuine Douay-Rheims Bible which includes the seven Deutero-Canonical books, missing from most non-Catholic Bibles.
and...
Read in its entirety, repent, believe, allow The Lord to convert your heart, and be baptized.
Then... we have a deal. :P
Amen.
Muhamad too no evidence from him
I'm glad im n0t a CHRISTIAN 😊😊😊
CHRISTIANITY is dead 🥵
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I've often wondered why Jesus didn't write his own Gospel. Surety he was capable of writing, so why leave it to others?
Maybe he didn't exist? 😂😂😂
Well, he did die pretty young.
Some of the Gnostic texts are somewhat probable writings by Jesus. The hidden gospel of Thomas some researchers think could be Jesus writings
@@Scorned405 I've never seen it suggested that he wrote it. Some think the sayings in it may preserver early traditions of Jesus' words, but that's not the same thing.
He was too busy making sure his locks looked nice for all those paintings of him.
When Humans finally get the jest of the Bible they will free themselves of religions, dualisms, ignorance, attaining a future for truth, love, peace, hope.
We can hope!!! But while I want to read this guys book, the Podcaster doesn't come across with much interest himself. Sorry, Jacob...but you yourself look bored and half asleep...or drugged. No offense intended...but get some Charisma! Bless your heart...you yourself sound and look UNINTERESTED in your own topic and guest. 😮. Wake up a bit!
And while the author may be intelligent and correct...he doesn't come across well either...reading his comments is boring. You two guys need a makeover.
Yes...right after they read the Bible with all it's wars and killing in it. Seriously? It sounds like you yourself have not read the whole book. And I am a Jesus follower. But the Bible in it's entirety is NOT exactly a book of love. 😢
@@RjSierra-m2v LOL. I think you'll find that the majority of humans on planet Earth have never even read the Bible.
@@briobarb8525 the Bible is a story of another middle eastern tribe. Why do you assume it should of necessity be a story of love and peace? Is the story of other middle eastern tribes ever stories of love and peace? Is the story of ANY country on earth a story of love and peace?
Well, is there a "Kumbaya" with that dude???!!!!
I do not look outside of myself for God or Truth. “I AM” all I need; “I AM” all there is. “I AM” one universal conscience; “I AM” one universal consciousness. “I AM” you; “I AM” me; “I AM” one. There is one “I AM”. Jesus is not individual; Jesus is the state of being, therefore Jesus is us; that is why Jesus said : “‘I AM’” the way; the Truth, and the Life…”; Jesus is male, and Jesus is female;
He’s us + She’s us = Je’s us = Man. “I AM” God! God is all “I AM”; God imagines all; all is the imagination of God, the imagination of God is “Art” and the Love of Art, is Art appreciation; God is the Artist, “I AM” a work of the Artist, a work of Art; a work of God, “I AM”.
Ummm......yeah, whatever. 😕Good luck with all that!
One of the bigest evil lies ever told. I was a believer and after years of study i burnt it up, the new testament. Lies !
I fully agree 👍💯❤
They're Both Old Testaments Now😌
& I Mean Really Old😎👌
who cares live in peace with good intent
@@a.i1970 , One has to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water so to speak, which modern society has done in almost every regard. Replacing beliefs , and making science your new god (little g) only encourages selective outrage, and hypocrisy. That is exactly what you see in almost everything, especially science, and as a logical person you should surely see that only two types of people exist now. Those with questions they can't answer, so they ask, or keep testing all things, and those with ONLY answers nobody is allowed to question. Science isn't much different than a religion, it would have one believe that a giant explosion of nothing created everything, and you evolved from goo, to the zoo, to you, which makes about as much sense as if science states a pop can rolls down a hill and becomes a vending machine at the bottom.
While there does seem to be this need for magical thinking that defies logic and reality thee is also the built in desire for truth and honesty. Science best describes this thinking. Can a book make a difference? The power of the written word seems to have decreased over the years. Our political leaders still have to pretend to be religious and the cultural world remains silent on atheism. Only a handful of scientists stand up against this madness.
trusting science nowdays is scholastic suicide, because of so much fraud. as for atheism, it is taught all the time through evolution, which is also a fraud, and they know it. evolution is magical thinking.
The Chinese government have managed to govern very successfully without religion.
We also have scientism 😢
@@quakers200 it seems, in this crazy world of ours, that the chief standard bearers for atheism are comedians and actors, an awful lot of whom are outspoken sceptics. Whilst our political and cultural leaders profess to believe in superstition.
I suspect if Jesus wasn't the greatest lie ever told, it certainly was a close second to the Old Testament anthology of lies.🤣
Whoever wrote it had to be a mathematical genius & a scientist.
People often interpret The Bible in their own Twilight Zone as it it is handed to them and most times often it does not go well with family, friends and other associates.
"They answered: We have dreamed a dream, and there is nobody to interpret it to us. And Joseph said to them: Both not interpretation belong to God? Tell me what you have dreamed."
(Genesis 40:8)
They're in love with the stories of the bible. Not the reality of the bible.
@@razony The stories we read in the Bible, are a testament to the reality of God's Word. Real Christians love the stories, not only because they are epic, amazing stories; also because they represent accurate, verifiable, historical accounts of God's people and their past lives. These stories allow us to better know who God is, what he expects from us, and most importantly, what he's done for us. Those that love him, through his Word we discover how to better serve him.
Amen.
@lgroschiensalle
Are a Testament? Look who it's a Testament by, other Christians! When I was entering seminary. I was expecting truth of what the bible was saying. Peter 'supposedly' walked on water. Jesus supposedly said "Whoever believes in me... will do great works I have been doing..." I was NOT believing in the bible for it's a 'childrens' bedtime stories, I was seeking truth. Truth of the afterlife. The Christian bible LIED & DECIEVED billions of ignorant believers and for what? FEAR and something to read at bed time? I'm NOT one of those... people!!! I was and still livid, after 38 years after leaving this mess, divided, unorganized company of thieves.
Luckily, I found the truth I was looking for, and there is much scientific evidence and millions/billions who have experienced the same things I have and NO. It's not that comical Demons and Devils BS to scare ignorant believers into no leaving the church. I'm glad you Christians love your 'stories.' Christians are the LAST people ever to ask for spiritual guidance from. We all know where they will leed us!
I don't think that the captives on the Jesus Slave ship had that option. The Bible is loaded with propaganda like a spider waiting on it's prey. One of the biggest lies is making Jesus a god, Apostle Paul's brainstorm. The sure path for Racism. (1 King 8:27)(Romans 3:7)(Acts. 15:36-39)
Thank you, Dr. Allen … Humanity has made deity in their egoic, materialistic image, which is utterly absurd
@@zeptepi36400BC who have influenced this human behavior ? Some say "we are not alone".
@antonius_006
From my view we are born alone and died alone
One of your best podcasts Jacob ❤, very enlightened
Yeah Jacob managed to get all the way through without crying or slashing his wrists. What a stoic depressant he is, eh?
This was a really good interview/lecture . Great stuff Jacob.
I watch your videos every day Jacob, love them. May I suggest you work on your questions? Large vague questions throw the interviewee off their rhythm. ❤️
also drink some coffee! my dude need more energy!!
@@rafaelw8115 It's hard to know how he sounds he never says anything and when he finally asks a question he is asked to and asks it in such a way the man with all the knowledge has no idea of what he means. This very smart guy may as well make his own videos where he can share all his knowledge. I keep wondering if the other guy has died in his chair or just asleep with open eyes and when he talks he does it like his battery is dead so he has to do it slowly to press out just a few more words. I have never seen anyone before who has talks about something deep and then just sits there so the other guy has to sound like he is talking to himself, it must be difficult. So you can see I fully agree with you and it's a shame because the other guy really has a lot to share:) Have a great Week-end!!
Understatement of all time!!😂😂
Terrible host, like a robot. @@rafaelw8115
@@MissWitchiepoo😂😂😂
Excellent interview as I have come to expect from Jacob and the HV channel.
Dr Legh has touched on something at the beginning of this video which I find quite profound and equally disturbing. Christians follow a religion that seems to encourage them to pass the responsibility of their bad, unethical decisions off onto the mythical religious version of Jesus Christ as laid out in their religion.
I have mentioned this to my Christian friends and of course they deny this. But when the religion claims that all of your "sins" are forgiven if you follow specific steps and Jesus death pays the price for those "sins" clearly this is a problem because it encourages followers of that religion to live life in any poor manner that they choose due to the belief that their faith will be enough to atone for any poor decisions that they make.
What's worse is that it doesn't seem the New Testament quite teaches this and yet this is the popular belief.
@ObjectiveEthics @savoirfaire6181 the NT does very well teach this, but Jesus does not. That's why it's critical to wake the average Christians up to the fact they are following the false apostle Paul's corrupted version of Christianity where only faith is necessary, and not _real_ Christianity taught by Christ wherein obedience to God and inherent righteousness _are_ required for salvation.
@@asphilosophyusa I agree that Jesus is more clear but I think that the evangelical view is a misunderstanding of Paul. He was mentally ill, no doubt, but he did teach obsessive obedience to Jesus rather than free grace. Paul taught we are to be slaves to Christ and he didn't assume that sanctification and justification are separated the way Protestants eventually did in misunderstanding him. He did not teach penal substitution or imputed righteousness but taught the same as Jesus that the cross was an example to follow. I don't believe in the Bible anymore but I did obsessively for 30 years and it was in taking it seriously that I grew out of it. Along my journey I deeply learned that evangelicals do not understand the Bible.
Anyway it doesn't matter. It's all a lie, both Paul and Jesus.
@@ObjectiveEthics Except through Christians don't live like the way you want us to believe.
Look reports by non Christian sources about the early Christians.
They all claim they found no evil deeds among them. A True Christian is that of forgiveness, long suffering, being kind hearted, charity etc.
You clearly don't know what Christianity is
@@savoirfaire6181 "He did not teach penal substitution or imputed righteousness but taught the same as Jesus that the cross was an example to follow." Delusional.
It is so easy to say things about a person when that being is not facing you to defend itself 😊
It was ancient Greek philospohy and learning, then adopted by the Romans, that spread throughout Europe and is the basis for what today is recognised as European civilisation. But not their gods and religious prcatice. Instead Europe ended up with an ancient middle eastern tribal god and religions. What would the world be like today if Europe had adopted the Roman/Greek religions?
Romans were mithraists before Christian, Mithraism is the roman offshoot of Zoroastrianism, Like Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism, except the theological philosophy of Christianity is Hellenistic platonic mixed with Judaism aka Hellenistic Judaism. The outcome was inevitable.
Lots of heavy drinking and orgies. Bit of a bummer really.
Socrates was already starting down a path of agnosticism , it is a shame Constantine chose the team he did
Yes, it is easily rejected by the history, the foot wound if you will, but until one knows all of the Bible at once, as well as the hermetic mysteries of the dying God, the Kaballah, the Egyptian gods, numerology, and several others, he will be unable to receive the royal key of David, Isaiah 22:22 which is the Sword of Revelation that slays Tiamat in order to become the son of man, the one who embodies all male spirituality perfectly, and becomes God, and makes new heavens and a new earth. That's how I would describe the Christian mysteries in a nut shell, but don't actually do the last bit.
And where did the Greeks get their knowledge from?
The Video title sums it up PERFECTLY.
yep JESUS WASN'T REAL
Romans 14:11 says that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. You can either do it voluntarily while you are here on earth alive, or you will be forced to do it after your death. I have had a living encounter with Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit on 1 May 2005. My life has dramatically changed since then. Jesus uses me as an instrument in His hands in a ministry of inner healing and deliverance. ( I am a retired lawyer). I have had countless battles with demons in people and witnessed the destructive ways in which Satan destroys people, but I have luckely also witnessed the awesome overwhelming power of God setting the captives free. Those who have ears to hear, listen (Matthew 13:43).😊
@@jskok3280 you also now have delusions and mental illness. I hope you get treatment. good luck. the book you quote is fiction. It is just like going around quoting a star wars novel or a batman novel of today. Cherry picking slaves do that and most have mental issues. all the way back to the authors of this collection
You cannot have the father and son without the mother, that is another loop hole...
Oohhh I wonder 2:02:50 where he gets that the non-hebrue gentiles needed to follow the 7 noahide laws? That’s so interesting as to the rabbiz today of chabad lubavitch sect saying the whole world of gentiles that are left surviving will be their slaves & will also follow noahide laws in order to even live in the new hebrue world order
Are you a servant of God?
The "Traitors called U.S. Gov" in the District of Columbia have already Passed A Jewish Law into OUR American Law ( Its a Crime) in the Dark of Night, Of Course, ( with 4 staying after All Congress dismissed, and voting " Noahide Laws into our "Education Law:
It was Reagan or Bush Sr. First one to sign.
It was for Their "Rebbi Shneerson"
All Presidents have to sign it EVERY YEAR. So THEY ALL KNOW WHAT EVIL THEY HAVE DONE.
Note: The 7 Noahide Laws.....have Hundreds of SUB- LAWS under them.
One of them is
"BEHEADING OF CHRISTIANS".
There BEST FRIEND is about to be Inaugerated.
Amazing! I just bought the book! I’ve been doing this research on my own for the past 14 years, and he combined into that book so much of what I have been researching individually.
This man has done his research and presents it very well. Listen and learn.
What about this man ???
His name was John Barnett
Watch his video:
° WHERE IS AMERICA IN GOD'S END - OF- DAY BIBLICAL PROPHECIES/
John Barnett Online 🎇
i know far more than he does. i wrote a book, but will be published posthumously as they are history’s most successful murderers. i also did not have children so they could not torment/kill them.
This guy offers ‘opinions’ but doesn’t actually prove anything. i can prove it, beyond any argument. i do not use any source to prove. i use math and it is undeniable.
Okay. I'll try.
Wow...I don't know this guy yet, but his opening couple of sentences tell me he knows the uninformed thinking of most of the US about religion and the Bible. (Most of which people have never actually read.) They simply "BELIEVE IN THEIR BELIEFS"... that are regurgitated over and over to the masses of non-thinking Americans. They have fallen in love with their fantasy about the Jesus story, while they know very little about the reality of how the story was crafted...and the truths about Jesus and his life. I can't wait to get his book and read it myself. If it is as it sounds...we NEED, as a nation, to get it out to the masses to ACTUALLY READ. And IF we can get them to turn off their dang TV's and Sports long enough to still read and think beyond their boxes of former "fixed beliefs" to actually still read something intelligent, rather than merely entertaining. 😢. Please people...use your logical reasoning skills...rather than simply claiming and regurgitating faith and beliefs until you brain wash yourself. Love God...❤. BUT STILL THINK!!! 😮😢. Please!!!
😢 He has researched other people who believe like him. The Bible has been proven with artifacts current prophecy , and archeological digs ,coins, writings, prophecy like the dead sea scrolls. This guy is so wrong ,but what scares me is those of you who believe him
Awesome episode! The doctor's presentation is answering (I'm only 2/3 of the way through this) some questions I have had for a long time, but apologists could never answer. I'm not blaming the apologists - they are trapped in circular reasoning by their faith, and religious faith by its very nature is uncompromising. Thus apologists are incapable of really answering many questions because only a logical, secular approach offers anything even close to an actual objective truth. Great job by the host too! Most often the best thing a host can do is stay out of the way as much as possible and let the guest present their case.
I’m only half way in and already bought the Kindle version of the book on Amazon. Really looking forward to digging in. Great stuff!!! ❤
Have you read Caesar's Messiah by Joseph Atwill?
It was Constantine's MOTHER, Helen, who was an ardent Christian believer; she even went to the Middle East, to discover the locations of events in the jesus story, where the beautiful dome of the church of the holy suplecher(sp) in jerusalem
When she went to Jerusalem, she allegedly found the three crosses associated with the crucifixions. She sent one back to Constantine. She wasn't an honest person.
It's hard to believe that SNL hasn't parodied the host of this show. He has the energy of a heroin addict who's just taken a sleeping pill after eating a huge turkey dinner. Hats off to his guest for basically performing his own question and answer interview. Very entertaining for all the wrong reasons.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 I swear he must be autistic 😂😂😂
Hey leave the junkies out of this, historically some of the most interesting people were heroin addicts.
@@generallyuninterested4956 Until they ripped you off, d*ckhead.....
Very true. Considering the attitude and demeanor of this host, the guest should be highly commended for even staying on the show for the whole duration.
Very interesting indeed. Totally good stuff.
All hail the Giant Spaghetti Monster !👾
And his Father the Holy Mince!
Pasta is lifespan shortening slave food. Makes the mind soft.
Great interview. Thanks.
Seriously? Are you saying that with a straight face?
Interview?
"Welcome to my show. I refuse to move my lower jaw. That's why you can't hear a word I say"
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"This Program is brought to you by "Prozac"...ummm, but maybe it wont work...."
He is talking not eating.
@@deonbroodryk3167 are you aware of the mechanics of human speech?
Mumbles
Thank you Dr Allen 👌🏾🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
If God is the highest, why must he give his only son for human sins?
Because from the time of Moses, they were told to use sheep's doves and other animals to be an atonement of sins especially sheep, and Jesus was likened to sheep's because He alone can pay for sins of men
@@iederilzitro3945human sacrifice isn’t the expiation of sins it’s what you do on ur own and through Gods mercy and you’re repentance that you’re saved
I feel like I'm watching / listening to an epic movie. Can't stop listening to this information! Thank you.
Current Deconstructing Catholic
Atheists are stupid
No such thing as a "deconstructing" Catholic...
Deceived, led astray, infidel, fell by the way side, fell upon stony places, fell among thorns...all possibilities, according to our Savior Jesus (Matthew 13); and this breaks my heart. Just Imagine how The Lord must feel... Fortunately, it's not too late (yet...) to rejoin the fold.
True Catholics build and edify, they don't "deconstruct"...
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own *lusts* shall they heap to themselves *teachers*, having *itching* ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."
(2 Timothy 4:3,4)
@@lgroschiensalle - Of course a proponent of Christianism (belief police) would write this. Doesn't mean a damned thing. Could be applied to any sect or cult.
What Dr. Allen is describing at about 5:00 as "the fundamentals of Christianity" is not the true Christianity taught by Christ and His apostles but rather the corrupt and bastardized version which I label "Pauline" Christianity, or simply Paulinism. Most Christians don't want to accept that the Gospels and the Pauline epistles teach two different and completely contradictory religions with diametrically opposing views of salvation. You have the Gospels (esp. the synoptics) on the one hand, and the Pauline epistles + Hebrews on the other. Most "Christians" follow the Pauline epistles and not real Christianity. So Dr. Allen is not really criticizing Christianity here, but a corrupted version of Christianity that has nothing to do with the teachings of Christ.
Paul didn't preach a corrupted version of Christianity. He preached who and what Christ means to all. What he preached is what the prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Malachi etc prophecied about the one to come.
Don't even think you fully understand who and what Christ is.
@@chuckles9767
Paul did not invent Christ being God, he is God. And without Christ being God the Old Testament is a lie.
John 10:30
[30]I and My Father are one.”
John 5:25-26
[25]Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.
[26]For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,
John 17:1-2
[1]Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
[2]as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
The Jewish religious establishment literally killed him because he made himself equal with God.
@@chuckles9767
Paul did not invent Christ being God, he is God. And without Christ being God the Old Testament is a lie.
John 1:1
[1]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 8:47
[47]He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.” Before Abraham Was, I AM
John 10:30
[30]I and My Father are one.”
John 5:25-26
[25]Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live.
[26]For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,
Funny thing about christianity, no one is a real christian except the one you happen to be talking with at any moment.
@@jerrydelacruz5119I have studied Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew, with their words and how they became their Bible. Either through the scholars working with King James the Second, striking out, the Adonais, and replacing the word, Lord, removing the tyrant references. The King did not want to be considered a tyrant (though he was), so he changed the "Word of God".
One also has Ezra, returning from enslavement to rewrite the Torah with the other Sanhedrin. These words are a bit different than Masoretic Torah (put together by Ptolemy the 3rd, i believe), and still different again interpretations from scrolls 3000 years ago. But, it is the "Word of God"
Then one may go and find the Samaritan Torah and it is different than the Pentateuch.
I am so done with all the words.
I believe there is something good and wonderful about life.
I do not trust anything Humans put together as the Truth.
Religion and Language are controlled by the ruling class, which is known as the Royal Secret.
We were born into SINE (time), not SIN. It is a misinterpretation of classic Greek in Hebrew and then into English. The price of SINE(living in time) is DEATH ...
Ummm, that would make that admonition understandable. Thanks
This whole thing never made sense for me at all. From the very first day😢
Let’s put it this way…. The guest was amazing!
The host no so much
Was there a host?🫣 Oohh, you mean the stunned mullet that pops up every now & again. Yeah, death warmed up, me thinks...🥱🙄
@@ToyBodbijl-nt4hv So accurate...he needs some life infused into him. He looks as bored as he sounds. And either half asleep or drugged. Dude...wake up!
@@ToyBodbijl-nt4hvExactly
His mom gave him the chore 😮😅
Honestly. He's definitely not ready for prime time.
If there is no intelligent design, why do we need the best and brightest minds with all of their research and observations to tell us that?
Loved the interview❤
Albino u gonna have to change ur name that's my name
Really enjoyable and informative episode. History Valley is a real gem of a broadcast.
Well said.
Great discussion.
Agree.
Cape Town South Africa.
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JESUS IS MY GOD.WHATS THE PROBLEM?
This has been a interesting lecture on history. Thank you!
I look at scripture as the wisdom of those who came before me presented in figurative fashion. This means one must place oneself in the story to recognize the wisdom.
I look at Jesus as a man who transcended the ways of the world to become an image of selflessness. He offered Himself as sacrifice after challenging the dominant social structures of the day.
Jesus became the Christ after traveling to Egypt and then to Nepal in search of ancient wisdom. He then returned to the Middle East to present a clearer form of wisdom than the one that was then available.
When Jesus said, “I come in fulfillment of scripture,” He was specifically targeting the tradition of imperfect love. He simply wanted people to love God and each other.
Poppycock! Jesus is " the way, the truth, and the life! Born supernaturally ! Had no need to be taught ' truth' by any mere human 🙄
Why does he let so many suffer? In this moment people are suffering why hasn’t he come back by now? He literally told his apostles he would be back before their lives were over so a wire and where is he? Just a simple question but I like your writing and thought on it just not to be taken seriously too much but there’s more than just nothing after this world I believe
in terms given by Bart Ehrman paraphrasing Earl Doherty, it is the view that "the historical Jesus did not exist. Or if he did, he had virtually nothing to do with the founding of Christianity."
🤣 this is better comedy than Chappelle's, keep it up 👍
I read a very good book by Tom Harper called The Pagan Christ many years ago. It takes a very interesting dives into the similarities of ancient myths, and the evolution of Jesus Christ. Interestingly enough, it was given to me by a Catholic priest that I used to work for. I believe Tom Harper now deceased was at one time an Anglican minister. I find the term Christian strange as Catholics are technically Christians, but they usually do not refer to themselves as such. They say they’re Catholic. Now the Catholic church has not been a very kind religion in the past, however, scholars of the Catholic Church today are quite liberally minded. At least the ones I met while working for the church. The scholars I spoke with certainly differentiated between Jesus Christ as a person of history and the Catholic faith of today🇨🇦
cathics think and say they are Christians, tank you very much - will you try not to have such ignorant or preconceived ideas about the Catholic Church, please?
@ I certainly don’t know why you think I have ignorant or preconceived ideas about the Catholic Church as I was raised in one and studied theology but knock yourself out. I am only differentiating Catholics from fundamental Christians. Catholics are not fundamentalists.
@@deborahhebblethwaite1865Correct thinking that the person you are answering is just a whining drunk if his spelling and comment are anything to go bye
Tom Harpur's theory of Christian origins was debunked long, long ago😅
@@deborahhebblethwaite1865 you said catholics don't consider themselves as christians which, as a former catholic, you should know is false.
Thank you so much for this information
yea JESUS never existed 🤠 im Indian Jones
Why does he keep referring to Judeans as Jews?
As far as I have searched, the term Jews came alive in the 14th century and yet he is referring to the very early history.
Because that's the conventional term in English. The New Testament has ioudaioi, (Latin, in the Vulgate) iudaei, English (KJV) Jews.
Dr. Allen, and everyone else listening to this podcast: there WAS an historical Jesus (Yeshua bar Joseph) who "ran away from home" at age 12 to (among other reasons) avoid a traditionally arranged marriage typical of upperclass/wealthy boys and girls of that age. He traveled, many believe, hidden among his wealthy maternal uncle's merchant caravan to India, Persia, and Tibet where he was fully exposed to Buddhism, finally spending most of his time, until the age of ~ 29 or 30, at the Tibetan Monastery at Ladakh (his life and studies there are well-documented among their historical diaries/books). He became a much-beloved teacher there among the poor and lower classes, and was known as "Issa" (a bastardization of his Jewish name, Yeshua). Due to his violation of the centuries old tradition of enlightened masters restricting those teachings to the nobility and upper classes, he was eventually ousted from that Tibetan society, and he returned to his birthplace in Palestine, where he resumed his Buddhist teachings, but to his "own' people. If historians, religious researchers, and others would simply DROP THEIR CULTURAL PREJUDICES LONG ENOUGH TO OPEN UP TO AND READ THIS READY AVAILABLE MATERIAL, MUCH OF THE TRUTH (AND ERRONEOUS INFO) SURROUNDING JESUS' LIFE, TRUE TEACHINGS, AND LATER CORRUPTION BY THE ROMAN GOVERNMENT AND ITS PAGAN INFLUENCES, MUCH OF THE CONFUSING ELEMENTS OF CHRISTIANITY'S DEVELOPMENT WOULD BECOME EXPLICABLE. The Dead Sea Scrolls were an attempt by - probably the Essenes and other early followers of Jesus - to save and maintain his true teachings from Rome's corrupted narrative.
People will believe anything.
I have read the book in full. Great book and very helpful. Thank you for writing it and making it available. Five Stars!!!!!!!!
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Guest is a treasure.Can become very popular , and make a lots of money , in Chrisian world if he just adjust tune a bit. Like Dr. Bart did.
Lots of "science" is more about interpretation of data, about politics, and about material profit.than about the data. It also universally ignores THE one thing we know more than anything as fact ie consciousness.
Yes Consciousness is the Ground of all Being and in 1994 I identified the physical correlate of the Inner Light of Pure Consciousness undermining both Physicalist Science and Theistic Religion. The Synthesis of Science and (True) Spirituality is already underway. See Undermining the Walls of the Ivory Towers of White Mythology on the Invading the Sacred site.
See also Undermining the Walls of the Ivory Towers of White Mythology on the Invading the Sacred site.
The host has some work to do, questions are really not done well.
thanks so much for having him on ... really informative and right where my learning is at!!
This interview with his book clinched it for me. I WILL buy and read his book. I have become somewhat anti-religious the last several years.
I want you to know that you are a hero for the future Generations.
How terrible to suggest that we are steeped in sin, and born in sin. God cries about this horrible lie regarding Its magnum opus!
A BIG book… but impressively comprehensive. ❤
it's big but the font is pretty big and the margins are huge. It's a very enjoyable read since your hands don't coverup the words when you hold the book. Also he had the foot notes on the same page - unlike end notes. And he's done very thorough research. A definitive tome really but I'm only maybe a third through it.
Thank you for wanting to help people.❤❤❤
Glad he's back. I'm really enjoying his book - such thorough deep research. Very professional academic quality. I was hoping he would be on your show again.
The alphabet letter, J , was invented in 1524 CE, 500 years ago. There were NO alphabet letter , J , in ANY alphabet nor language in the ENTIRE WORLD until the 16th century. Therefore, it is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE for the true name of our Messiah to be Jesus. Jesus’ name is only about 400 years old. Jesus name is pagan Greek meaning inferior, substandard.
YAHUSHA - ORIGINAL INSPIRED Paleo Hebrew Name meaning: “ I am your Deliverer.”
AlleluYAH !
AlleluYAHUAH !
AlleluYAHUSHA !
You got it right about the name Jesus. You got it wrong about this name Yahusha. Amazing how so many have been taken by this form when there is absolutely no biblical nor Hebrew grammatical basis for it at all. All because Lew White and the cypher people try to turn "shua" to something negative or bad, when that "shua" has nothing to do with "shua" in the Messiah's actual name YAHSHUA! Besides the fact that Hebrew can have a few meanings for words with the same root letters, history and Hebrew grammar supports "shua" in the Messiah's name, among other names in the scriptures.
And why are you using some Greek form of HalleluYah? Allelu?! really?
💯. Fictional character and Fictional book.the letter j was not in the alphabet until 1524.the father of letter j is Gian Giorgio trissino an Italian author and grammarian who lived from 1478-1550
Religion is opium to the masses
Lot of words in the book with j.
im glad im n0t a CHRISTIAN 🤠
Velikovsky’s Mankind in Amnesia shows that the god myth comes from the ancient cataclysms in historical memory. Mankind thought that these events were because of something they had done and the way to prevent future annihilation was to appease the gods, thus begins human sacrifice vestiges of which we can still see in things like infant circumcision or honoring Saturn’s Day and keeping it holy. Infant circumcision is the mutilation of a babies genitals in order to please YHWH. Very rational, too.
What about the jubilee story. I was young when that book was in my grandfather's book, who was a bishop.
Thanks for the book and the video .
How do you keep people from rising up when they suffer with a lack of meeting their needs among those who have more than they need. Promise they will be rewarded for not rising up after they die. That protects the other from violence and having to give up some of their wealth.
If there is a lie it means you know the truth, but your 'truth' must verifiable and incontrovertible.
This should apply to everyone who makes claims mate, not just him
@Alan_Dler now it applies to him.
Not so I don't know what the moon is made of but I know it's not cheese
@@CarmellaMulroy You can easily find out from the records and photographs of those who landed on the moon and brought samples of it's soil back. So, the truth of what the moon is made of is incontrovertible. Every feature on the moon had been identified by both eye witnesses and satellites.
That's what he is doing
How likely is it that the christian christ character was created by the Israelite faith healer Simon of Samaria, and he attached his christ character to the Galilean Jew known as Yeshu the Egyptian?
Where in the world you got this info try going back to school
@@remove122 Are you spewing christian hate?
Having watched the whole thing, this is not what I was expecting. More true to the title would be Abelards book "True Authorship of the New Testament," or George Lees on youtube. Gnosticism and Zoroastrianism are the worst, IMHO. Good and evil only exist in the intentions of men. In reality there are just actions and consequences. The One God of the Hebrews becomes the Christian Gnostic Demiurge. How backwards, evil, and dumb it is to look at God and all he created and conclude he's an evil demiurge, the material world is evil, and because they hated Jehovah, the Christian Gnostics just invented all that stuff about demiurge and sophia, they just pulled all that out of their butts. If there is a true God higher then the material world god, why does it allow everything to be evil? Another thing I'd correct is that Judaism does in fact have an afterlife, ressurrection or reincarnation, which happens in Isaiah 65. Judaism has the right idea, be reborn and inherit the Earth while all the other death worshipping cults who seek an eternal death in some imaginary spirit world can wither away or stay dead. The Buddhists and their nirvana, Egyptians and their dying to become stars. I want nothing to do with any of that, just bring me back here.
What about Queen Helena who organised a famine relief in Judea and her son Izates Monombaz? They were converted, or baptized, into Helenistic Judaism. There's the basis for Jesus
This "host" seems to detest being a "host". The guest does a fantastic job all by himself.
No he was actually a (g)host...
The host reminds me of me if I drank too much the night before.
Jacob is a great host! Doesn’t butt in and let’s the guest talk!
The host looks like he doesn't want to be there. The guest is the opposite!!!!
Just want to say thanks and acknowledge this man for taking the time to sit and so eloquently describe these factual historical archeological findings using the scientific methods clearly debunk all of this evil heirophantic propaganda ❤
The first naive man who listened to the the first cunning priest
There appears to be a lot of highly motivated athiests who claim to be responsible and rational, attacking belief systems with "scientific" method. Perhaps they should start by stating their credentials, motives, and what they believe is scientific method.
It's the devil's world that is the lie.
What the hell do you mean?!?
Why havent societies with all the abounding knowledge failed to rise to Veracratic Societies? Missing the mark are we?
If science is correct why does it keep changing ?
Says the guy using everything around him created by science...dude, you gotta be an American? Am I right, Chuck?, Huh?
@ceeemm1901 no you are not.
Because 'science' is made up!... *EVERYTHING* is made up, that's the elephant in the room ab this realm.
The new testament writers have put their own words contrary to old testament. But the prophets never lied, nor did YAHshua {Ihsua, Ehsua, Yeshua}. So who is this "jesus"?
People use everything as an excuse to commit anything that is irrational, and self fulfilling...religion is just one excuse that those who are too cowardly to honestly believe in GOD use to try to use out of not understanding GOD, while putting the blame on him. Funny how people blame GOD for not showing up, while blaming him for being GOD, as they find convenient. Anything is subject to "in the wrong hands". GOD is real, every single one of us will come to that reality someday. if you would like to spend your time on Earth trying to explain this away, however fruitless it will be proven, it is your right. I, personally, don't feel upset at people for not knowing this, but I do plead. God Bless You All In Jesus Name.
Peace to you. I agree. There will be a day when we will unite with Christ. We look through a glass darkly now but all will be revealed after we leave this body.
So which "GOD" is the real god? There are thousands of different religions on the planet that worship & follow many different gods. My point is - what if you are worshipping the wrong god? 😱 Please explain how the evidence for the god you worship is stronger than the evidence for the other gods that people worship.
@@discontinuedmodel232only the unseeen God thats above any human minds. God is energy and we can’t see energy but feel it. We need that energy to in tune our lives to its frequency. Not anyone’s death will bring salvation but our kindness towards Gods creation
"The majority of the population don't seem to be able to take responsibility for their actions...often they fall back on their religious faith saying that their belief system will save them, that they don't need to take personal responsibility for what's happening." Interesting premise. Christians believe they are held totally accountable and must take full responsibility for their thought processes and actions.
I told my father that the people who wrote the Bible weren't Christian's he got pissed and had no idea what I meant .
Lol what an absolute helmet
Great video..knowledge guest
Word is that the host has resurrected.
In Islam God Almighty created man in a pure state called fitra a natural state of being , nothing to do with original sin which is a concept introduced after Jesus pbuh. The sin that happened between Adam and Eve (Hawa)in heaven was forgiven. by God Almighty in heaven right there. After their forgiveness they were sent down to Earth. So Christians should get rid of this false concept of original sin which does not make sense.
Thomas J. J. Altizer spoke of Jesus' death on the cross as a redemptive event that passed the baton to humanity. In The Gospel of Christian Atheism, he stated, "Every man today who is open to experience knows that God is absent, but only the Christian knows that God is dead, that the death of God is a final and irrevocable event and that God's death has actualized in our history a new and liberated humanity."
lol wut?
This man is a very intellectual, compassionate human being thatis spot on about the extreme ignorance in 2024.
Yes. I realize I am quite gullible.
I met a teacher in a dream once standing next to a desk, with a bookshelf that covered the wall. He asked me one question “Are you going to go your entire life and not learn a few traditions”?
I mumbled some excuse and the dream ended. I now wish I had asked him to be more specific, but he was not. The question is two fold, knowledge and practice. There is much to learn. “Credo ut intelligam”
1:22:13 by *_inconceivable_* plotinus clearly means something like characterized in a positive way... like resembling something we already know and thus permitting us to imagine it... if to conceive of something it were enough to describe it in an exclusively apophatic manner, only with negations, then the word *_inconceivable_* would be completely meaningless and probably wouldn't even exist.. so people probably should abandon pretending to be witty and saying that to affirm that something is inconceivable is a paradox ... it is not, it has a very definite and clear meaning and nobody really understands "inconceivable" to be a specific enough description so as to permit to imagine and know in your mind the thing being described... the word simply means that you cannot imagine it cause it doesn't resemble anything that you know or can know.. it's not even an apparent paradox so quit this puerile silliness ...
The guy already acknowledges that humans have an innate tendency towards religious belief or "irrationality" and yet claims if we just got rid of religion, Christianity in particular, we'd have an oh-so-rational world, a truly mad idea when everyone can plainly see how nuts current secular ideologies are.
My belief is religion should not be taught as a truth, but a set of allegories and metaphors. These stories may aid people. Having an ethically based religion, which is not antihuman, antinature and antiscience, would be more helpful .
The problem we have with religion is what the dogmatic zealots do and their abject dismissal of science.
Every Human, apparently, needs stories to aid navigating life.
Religion is allegories and metaphors for the adults. @@william6223
How nuts are current secular ideologies?
I think this is what Nietzsche was predicting. I agree that plenty of crazy ideologies, including making science a religion, have flooded into the void left by the debunking of the religious worldview as a source of facts.
We need to move beyond “belief.”
To me the mythicist position makes more sense.
I don't see anything historical in the gospels.
Theology, myths, fantasy.
and Q could have come from any jewish preacher or sects around that time.
Can anyone tell me why Q most likely comes from the historical Jesus?
I can't see it.
So this dude says the Greeks were the first ones to use science in explaining religious beliefs. So you just skipped over the Ancient Egyptians, Nubia and Ethiopians. Where do think the greeks got their schooling from, and they even admitted where they were taught, philosophy, mathmatics, writing, science, agriculture, astrology, architecture and meteorology. None of qhat he is saying holds no water unless he starts from where the Egyptians taught spiritualism not religion.
It would be so cool to have the time to get down into what the stories mean. Apparently mark is an allegory from start to finish and the writer of mark was a genius. Does anyone know of a good UA-camr that does a good breakdown of mark?
@@CarmellaMulroy I'm afraid you'll have to learn how to read. That the events of Mark are historical is widely believed. The memoirs of Peter. Strive to be authentic, not bigoted against God.
The bible gives you Jesus and his antichrist adversary Paul of Tarsus, but they were actually both Apollonius. The thorn of Satan or Demiurge in his flesh is Leviathan, as in Galatians 4:14, Job 41:4, and Psalm 74:14, where the beasts heads were wounded, yet he lived. This may have been Marduk slaying Tiamat, the primordial fabric of the universe. The beast ascends from the pit and goes into perdition just to be slain again, by the Son of Man Michael the prince, the one who stands in the temple of God, SHOWING, that he, is, in fact God, and when God makes new heavens, the old creation passes away akin to Shiva, the number 7.
Now concerning these verses, 414 is the code for slaying leviathan. 22 chapters of Revelation, and 22 verses of revelation 3, turn Revelation into the sword in the Stone (Peter / PTAH) and THOTH leaves his 7 thunders as a witness. They are codes formed by putting the 26 English letters into groups of 7. These become a spiritual battleground over the meaning of numbers 1-9, and their perfect correspondences. The lightning must pass through these 9 spheres before it is realized in the material world. Isaiah 22:22 tells us he is given the key, as eludes to the 22, 22, mentioned earlier. Revelation 3:7 This is he who has the royal key of David which opens the door of number 6 mankind and the material world to be reformatted, and saves the church of Philadelphia by constructing Noah's Ark, the Cube of Gilgamesh was is also revealed in the hermetic wisdom of THOTH, and by hermetic, I mean find it on your own, invent it yourself. Put it together if one is able. The 2D Holographic universe is maintained in 3D as linked with the 7 days of creation, for everything was made perfect in 6 days, as a blueprint, but it wasn't until God rested that everything was truly complete. 3D space is maintained by God being asleep.
Religion is mythological, educated people know this!
Understanding where Christianity lost the plot takes us back to the beginning of the story with Adam and Eve. The sin they committed caused them to immediately die which obviously was not a physical death but rather spiritual death. The quest then must be to regain eternal spiritual life not eternal physical life. If Jesus' death was to pay the wages of our sin (spiritual death) then he would have to pay for that price, meaning he would have to be dead eternally for all mankind so we can all live eternally like we did before we sinned. If he is now eternally alive then that blows the whole concept of his eternal death payment so that we can have eternal life. It doesn't even make logical sense much less mythical sense.
The only way any man can live eternally is to go back and make restitution OURSELVES for our own sins. This is ONLY accomplished by repentance and Gods mercy and grace. Which is exactly what he said thousands of times and even in the NT this is taught. The whole Jesus vicarious atonement story was obviously added later into the texts and easy to prove.
We must each be personally responsible for our mistakes and make them right. Christianity takes personal responsibility out of the equation which has led to 2k years of complete personal debauchery and chaos. Who in the hell wouldn't want want to continue to live by their sin nature and be told that the tab has already been paid in full. Of course people are going to continue to live like complete debauched imbeciles and WORSE, all while thinking they are righteous in their creators eyes. Its the biggest racquet and scam ever pulled on mankind. The point of the NT was to remove all the physical rituals of temple service and animal sacrifice which never paid for sins either. The NT was originally written to restore spiritual accountability for actions that no physical rituals could ever make right. They were all actions in futility if ones spiritual heart was still full of sin. This is why i cant understand Christianity. If Jesus took away the price for sins, (eternal death) then why try to pretend to be righteous? Why go to church? Why help others? Its contradictions in terms. It doesn't matter how you live or what you do. Stop trying to act righteous and go ahead and live openly as the devil. Which is what most do in private anyway. The whole religion lost its way with the ridiculous virgin birth story that was added by Rome by taking Isaiah 7 completely out context. This one narrative is what led to 2k years of deception and billions of people believing and living a false religion. I can say these things because i lived it for 55 years until i finally decided to read the WHOLE bible for myself in context. Rocked my world but not for too long because i always knew it didn't make logical sense. And its NOT a big mystery as Christians have parroted for centuries to explain away the obvious contradictions. 😮.
Bingo.
thank you for that comment - and sharing a bit of your story - it helped me & i will remember it
A spiritual death, before they had even invented a spiritual life but walked with god in his fictional garden? That's just poor apologetics and illogical nonsense made up by some cultist.
@@reinercelsus8299Understanding biblical allegory and metaphor is imperative. There wasn't a literal garden nor a literal snake.
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How is it that Jesus was not a part of Mary's body? Wasn't her egg used to make him? If so then his flesh or his body was born of sin,because mary was born of sin.
Yes, that was the whole purpose of Jesus coming, the divine in a sinful body, which was put to death on the cross, then raised 3 days later, utterly destroying sin and death. Now we just need to live the promise, if we live and believe in Jesus we will never die.
These 2 people are exactly the reason why God says very few will find it and there are Only a small percentage of people who make it to heaven. And in the end there is 144000 think about it, this is the Reason Romans say they are fools, they think they are so intellectually advanced, but they are actually fools. ROMANS 1:22
It's one of the biggest world religions. What do you mean by the very few? That's a con to make you feel special. Go ahead and admit that.
God really said that ? I will make a note of that then.
If the 144,000 is true, let's put in the time perspective that has passed thus far with the millions of people that have already passed on. That would indicate to me that the majority, if not all people today, have tickets to hell
In the Bible, "itchy ears" is a phrase used in 2 Timothy 4:3, signifying a desire to hear only messages that align with one's personal desires, essentially seeking out teachers who will cater to their wants rather than listening to sound, truthful doctrine, even if it might be uncomfortable or challenging; it represents a rejection of the truth in favor of comforting lies.
It takes about 90 seconds to work out here is someone with a beef against religion. Now where would be best an idea like that? All the world's problems can be solved if we only get rid of religion and start to think rationally. Of course, when a neighbour breaks down his fence, in the absence of any legal authority, he will rationally negotiate recompense with his irrational neighbour. What bull.
Math and science started in Afrika and migrated to Europe centuries later.
Dream on
The out of Africa theory is discredited. Sub Saharan Africans have certain genetic markers no European possesses.
We are all African. Racism is stupid.
Math and science started in one of the last countries to utilize the wheel? Interesting.
The professor seems to think that the 4 gospels were written by "historians and story writers". They were neither. They were witnesses to the fact. It is telling that he acknowlwdges the 4 gospel witnesses. All archivel and archeological evidencs asserts that Yeshua was a real person. and had a profound affect on the history and events of that region.
Jesus did exist but the story made up on him is coming from people who were polytheist. So Christianity has been shaped on origins of Greek and Roman religions. Jesus identity is not what he really was. Jesus was not God but a man of God
Religions and belief systems have little to nothing to do with the Most High...
A moist lie you meant to say
The "Most High" originally referred to the Canaanite god El. The father of the gods in ancient Canaan, including Yahweh. They both are fictional, as are the hundreds of other gods from that region.
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According to the general consensus of scholarship *(even critical Christian scholars),* YHWH was originally incorporated into the Canaanite pantheon as a son of the Canaanite high god El before inheriting the top spot in the pantheon and El's wife Athirat (Asherah) before religious reforms "divorced" them. El's pantheon in Ugarit (modern day Ras Shamra in Syria) is called the *Elohim,* literally the plural of El. Interestingly, the Biblical god is also referred to numerous times as Elohim. If you want to see if El is fictional, just read his mythology in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts.
"The mysterious Ugaritic text Shachar and Shalim tells how (perhaps near the beginning of all things) *El* came to shores of the sea and saw two women who bobbed up and down. *El* was sexually aroused and took the two with him, killed a bird by throwing a staff at it, and roasted it over a fire. He asked the women to tell him when the bird was fully cooked, and to then address him either as husband or as father, for he would thenceforward behave to them as they called him. They saluted him as husband. He then lay with them, and they gave birth to Shachar ("Dawn") and Shalim ("Dusk"). Again *El* lay with his wives and the wives gave birth to "the gracious gods", "cleavers of the sea", "children of the sea". The names of these wives are not explicitly provided, but some confusing rubrics at the beginning of the account mention the goddess *Athirat (Asherah),* who is otherwise *El's* chief wife, and the goddess Raḥmayyu ("the one of the womb"), otherwise unknown."
*"First, a god named El predates the arrival of the Israelites into Syria-Palestine.* Biblical usage shows El was not just a generic noun, but often a proper name for Israel’s God (e.g., Gen 33:20: “El, the God of Israel”)."
"I should add here that it is very clear from the grammar that the noun nachalah in v. 9 should be translated “inheritance.” *Yahweh receives Israel as his “inheritance” (nachalah), just as the other sons of El received their nations as their inheritance (nachal, v. 8).* With this verb, especially in the Hiphil, the object is always what is being given as an inheritance. Thus, Israel is given to Yahweh as his inheritance. ((Here I’m indebted to Dan McClellan.)) It would make no sense for Elyon to give himself an inheritance. Moreover, as I’ve argued elsewhere, it is not just the Gentile nations that are divided up according to the number of the *sons of El.* It is all of humankind, i.e., “the sons of Adam.” This clearly includes Israel. And the sons of Adam are not divided up according to the number of the *sons of El,* plus one (i.e., plus Elyon). They are divided up, according to the text, *solely* according to the number of the *sons of El.* *Thus, that Yahweh receives Israel as his inheritance makes Yahweh one of the sons of El mentioned in v. 8. Any other construal of the text would constitute its rewriting.*
A Sumerian hymn speaks to the goddess: “Nanshe, your divine powers are not matched by any other divine powers.” *Does this mean that Nanshe was the high goddess, that there were no gods above her? No, it does not.* Nanshe was the daughter of Enki, the high god. *In Sumerian mythology, as with Ugaritic, Israelite, Babylonian, and others, in the ancient past, the high god (Enki, in this case) divided up the world and assigned his children certain domains.* Nanshe was given a limited domain (the modern Persian Gulf) and was tasked with maintaining social justice there. *This is exactly what we see in Deuteronomy 32 with Yahweh. Yahweh is given a limited domain (Israel) and is given authority over his people, to punish them, as well as to protect and defend them against foreign enemies.* That Yahweh, like Nanshe, is said to have incomparable divine power *does not* mean that he is not subordinate to the high god who gave him his domain. *It is also of note that Nanshe, like Baal, Yahweh, and so many other deities, evolved over time. Her domain increased, and she was promoted in the pantheon (although she never became the high goddess)."*
*"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.*
(Written by Thom Stark who is a Christian)
*"Michael Heiser: A Unique Species? - Religion at the Margins"*
(A second response to Michael Heiser)
*"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."*
*"The Table of Nations: The Geography of the World in Genesis 10"* - TheTorah.com
(Excluding the short narrative on Nimrod (vv. 8-12), *which appears to be a later addition,* Genesis 10 contains *70* names of nations or cities, a number that was symbolic of totality. Similarly, the descendants of Jacob were *70* in number (Gen 46:37; Exod 1:5), *as were the sons of the supreme Canaanite god El, with whom YHWH became equated.)*
*"Polytheism and Ancient Israel’s Canaanite Heritage. Part V | theyellowdart"*
(Of course, much of this [i.e., that Israel worshiped El and Asherah alongside YHWH] is really to be expected given that recent syntheses of the *archaeological, cultural, and literary data* pertaining to the emergence of the nation of Israel in the Levant *show that most of the people who would eventually compose this group were originally Canaanite. As the Hebrew Bible notes, the Hebrew language itself is a Canaanite language, literally the “lip of Canaan” (שְׂפַת כְּנַעַן; Is. **19:18**), and so it cannot often be distinguished by modern scholars from other Canaanite inscriptions on purely linguistic grounds.)*
*"Ugarit - New World Encyclopedia"*
(Ugaritic religion centered on the chief god, Ilu or El, whose titles included "Father of mankind" and "Creator of the creation." The Court of El was referred to as the (plural) 'lhm or ***Elohim,*** a word ***later used by the biblical writers to describe the Hebrew deity*** and translated into English as "God," in the singular.
El, which was ***also the name of the God of Abraham,*** was described as an aged deity with white hair, seated on a throne.)
*"Mark Smith: Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh’s Ascendency - Lehi's Library"*
(Mark Smith is a Catholic)
*"God, Gods, and Sons (and Daughters) of God in the Hebrew Bible. Part III | theyellowdart"*
*"02 | December | 2009 | Daniel O. McClellan - Psalm 82"*
(Daniel McClellan is a Mormon)
*"Elohim | Daniel O. McClellan"*
(Refer to the article "Angels and Demons (and Michael Heiser)")
*"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."*
(Pay attention to whose wife Asherah (Athirat) is in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts and how she became the wife of YHWH/Yahweh)
*"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."*
*"Asherah, God's Wife in Ancient Israel. Part IV - theyellowdart"*
*"The Gates of Ishtar - El, was the original god of the bible."*
*"The Gates of Ishtar - Anath in the Elephantine Papyri"*
(In addition to Asherah (Athirat) being the consort of Yahweh, it appears some Israelites also viewed the Canaanite goddess Anat(h) as Yahweh's consort)
*"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopedia"*
(Refer to the section "Relationship to Biblical Religion")
*"The Syncretization of Yahweh and El : reddit/AcademicBiblical"*
(For a good summary of all of the above articles)
Watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 2 from 40:40 to 41:50 minutes, lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards, lecture 8 from 12:00 to 17:30 minutes and lecture 12 from 34:30 minutes onwards.
Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on.
Watch *"How Monotheism Evolved"* by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40.
Watch *"Atheism - A History of God (The Polytheistic Origins of Christianity and Judaism)"*
(By a former theist)
Watch *"The Origins of Yahweh"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica.
@@LM-jz9vh - No.
@@AnthonyRMaradin Yes. You are obviously not familiar with the scholarship. I suggest you take the time to look into it properly.
More references for you.
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Nevertheless, the historical reconstruction that El was the chief god of the Israelites is not indebted only to the testimony of the (rather late) biblical witness of P. *Numerous biblical texts attest to the fact that the titles, functions, and the imagery associated with the Canaanite god El, as revealed by the Ugaritic texts and the Canaanite myth of Elkunirša, were assimilated into the profile of the deity YHWH.* According to the Ugaritic texts, El was known for his *wisdom* (e.g., KTU2 1.4.V.65[6]) and *great age* (’ab šnm, *“Father of Years,”* and drd, *“Ageless One,”* in KTU2 1.4.IV.24 and 1.10.III.6, respectively),[7] his *compassionate nature* (lţpn il dp’id, *“Kind El, the Compassionate One,”* e.g., KTU2 1.16.IV.9), his role as *father of the gods and humanity* (’ab ’adm, *“father of humanity,”* KTU2 1.14..III.47, and bny bnwt, *“creator of creatures,”* KTU2 1.17.I.24) and *creator of the cosmos.* [8] El was the *divine King* (e.g., KTU2 1.2.III.5-6) and the *head of the pantheon or divine council* (referred to variously as the dr ’il, *“circle of El/Family of El,”* KTU2 1.15.III.19; mpħrt bn ’il, *“the assembly of the sons of El,”* KTU2 1.65.3; bn ’il, *“the sons of El,”* KTU2 1.40.33, 41; pħr kbbm, *“assembly of the stars,”* KTU2 1.10.I.3-4; ‘dt ’ilm, *“assembly of the gods,”* KTU2 1.15.II.7; cf. KTU2 1.2.I; 1.3V; 1.4 IV-V) which met at the sacred mountain. *His consort was the goddess Athirat who bore him seventy sons* (šb‘m bn ’atrt, *“the seventy sons of Athirat,”* KTU2 1.4.VI.46). El was also known for his *divine patronage and blessing of progeny to humans* (as in the Epic of Kirta; see, for example, KTU2 1.14.III.46-51), for his *appearances to humans in dreams* (e.g., KTU2 1.14.I.35-37), as *being a healer* (KTU2 1.16.V-VI), and for his *dwelling at the sacred mountain* (e.g., KTU2 1.2.III.5-6) at the *sources of the mythical rivers* (KTU2 1.2.III.4; 1.3.V.6; 1.4.IV.20-22; 1.17.V.47-48) in a *tent* (KTU2 1.2.III.5; 1.3.V.8; 1.4.IV.24; 1.17.V.49; c.f. the Canaanite myth Elkunirša which *describes El’s abode as a tent[9]).[10]*
*To underscore the fact that terminology and imagery originally used for the god El was adopted by the Israelites in their descriptions of YHWH,* the following brief summary might be placed in comparison to the discussion of El above: YHWH is an *aged, patriarchal deity* (Ps. 102:28; Job 36:26; Is. 40:28; Dan. 7.9-14, 22), *a father* (Deut. 32:6; Is. 63:16; 64:7; Jer. 3:4, 19; 31:9, etc.), *merciful and gracious* (Ex. 34:6; Jon. 4:2; Joel 2:13; Ps. 8615; 103:8; 145:8, etc.), *a divine patron who bestows the blessing of progeny upon Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,* often manifesting himself in *dreams or visions, a healer* (Gen. 20:17; Num. 12:13; 2 Kgs. 20:5, 8; Ps. 107:20, etc.), who *dwells in a tent* (Ps. 15:1; 27:6; 91:10; 132:3) *amidst the heavenly waters* (Ps. 47:5; 87; Is. 33: 20-22; Ez. 47:1-12, etc.), the *creator of the cosmos,* who is enthroned as *heavenly King* in the *divine council* (1 Kgs. 22:19; Is. 6:1-8; cf. Ps. 29:1-2; 82; 89: 5-8, etc.) on the *sacred mount of assembly* (e.g., Is. 14:13). Additionally, in much Israelite religious practice throughout the monarchic period, *YHWH had a divine consort, the goddess Asherah, the Hebrew equivalent of Ugaritic Athirat.[11]* (Originally the wife of El)
*"When Jehovah Was Not the God of the Old Testament. Part II - theyellowdart"*
Watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 2 from 40:40 to 41:50 minutes, lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards, lecture 8 from 12:00 to 17:30 minutes and lecture 12 from 34:30 minutes onwards.
Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on.
Watch *"How Monotheism Evolved"* by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40.
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In addition, look up the below articles.
*"Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites - Biblical Archaeology Society."*
("The study in Cell not only establishes that the ancient Israelites were ***descended from the Canaanites,*** but also establishes that the Canaanite people across the separate city-states of the southern Levant, and over a period of 1,500 years, were a genetically cohesive people.")
*"The Canaanites weren't annihilated, they just 'moved' to Lebanon - The Times of Israel."*
*"Ancient Canaanite religion explained* - everything.explained.today"
*"Archeology of the Hebrew Bible - NOVA - PBS"*
("Many scholars now think that *most of the early Israelites were originally Canaanites, displaced Canaanites,* displaced from the lowlands, from the river valleys, displaced geographically and then displaced ideologically.")
*"Origins of Judaism explained* - everything.explained.today"
("According to the current academic historical view, the origins of Judaism lie in the Bronze Age amidst polytheistic ancient Semitic religions, ***specifically evolving out of Ancient Canaanite polytheism,*** then co-existing with Babylonian religion, and syncretizing elements of Babylonian belief into the worship of Yahweh as reflected in the early prophetic books of the Hebrew Bible. (The Torah)".
*Refer to the bibliography at the bottom of the page)*
*"Canaanite languages - Britannica"*
("Group of Northern Central or Northwestern Semitic languages including ***Hebrew,*** Moabite, Phoenician, and Punic.")
*"El - New World Encyclopedia"*
(Refer to the section "El Outside the Bible" and the fact that *most of the early Israelites were originally indigenous or displaced Canaanites)*
*"El (deity) explained* - everything.explained.today"
(Refer to section "Ugarit and the Levant" and the fact that *most of the ancient Israelites were originally indigenous or displaced Canaanites* and see how Yahweh, later conflated with El (Yahweh-El(ohim)) is fictional)
*"The Gods and Goddesses of Canaan - Essay - The Metropolitan Museum of Art - Heilbrunn Timeline of Art History"*
*"Canaanite Phoenician Origin of the God of the Israelites."*
*"The Phoenician (Canaanite) God Resheph in the Bible - Is That in the Bible?"*
*"How the Jews Invented God and Made Him Great- Archaeology - Haaretz."*
*"When the Jews believed in other gods - Archaeology - Haaretz"*
*"The Invention of God - Maclean's"*
*"How Did the Bible’s Editors Conceal Evidence of Israelite Polytheism - Evolution of God by Robert Wright."*
*"A Theologically Revised Text: Deuteronomy 32:8-9 - Ancient Hebrew Poetry."*
*"Biblical Contradiction #3: Which God is the Creator of the Heavens and Earth: Yahweh or El?"* - Dr Steven DiMattei
*"Biblical Contradiction #27. Are Yahweh and El the Same God or Not?"* - Dr Steven DiMattei
*"Biblical Contradiction **#294**, **#295**, **#296**. Which god liberated Israel from Egypt: Yahweh or El?"* - Dr Steven DiMattei
*"Quartz Hill School of Theology - B425 Ugarit and the Bible."*
*"The Origins of Yahweh and the Revived Kenite Hypothesis - Is That in the Bible?"*
*"Yahweh, god of metallurgy - Fewer Lacunae."*
*"Polytheistic Roots of Israelite Religion - Fewer Lacunae."*
*"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"*
*"Religious Studies: El, Yahweh and the Development of Monotheism in Ancient Israel."*
*"Yhwh, God of Edom - Daniel O. McClellan."*
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Christ spiritualism wasn't a thing though, there's no greek word for spiritual other than pneumatic, which isn't spirit it's pnuema-dealing with breathing, exertion. Spiritual is from the 1890s of yankee lands/new england area, "burning district".
The interviewer depresses me with his sullen tones and silent pauses but great guest. Im glad we have Christianity, there is no greater source of hope, joy and goodness in this world. Not to mention the art, architecture, literature and music it has produced. God bless you all.
@@thisutuber that doesn't surprise me, I knew he was in another less human world.