Daniel Jeremiah Refutes Merril Hoge's Caleb Williams "He Is Not Special" Take | The Rich Eisen Show
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- NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah and Rich Eisen discuss the NFL Draft stock of USC’s Caleb Williams and if he would be an upgrade for the Chicago Bears over Justin Fields.
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Merril said CJ was the only elite QB before the draft👀
Also liked trubisky over maholmes and said Zach was great. I bet he loves drake maye too if you catch my drift.
@@Darkmagecurtnobody perfect but yes I agree people forget about all those
@@DarkmagecurtI get what you’re saying but Cj is black and he said he was good
Go watch what he said about Aaron Rodgers and how Brian fucking Brohm will beat him out
@@AnthonyGreen1993One guy sat and learned for 3 years, one guy inherited a playoff roster, coaching etc....unfortunately today's clown media act like in 2 yrs, u should be top 10 statistically.
You know every single draft i always hear these experts come out and talk highly of the best qb’s but i never hear anyone go against the grain and give a more realistic take because realistically the majority fail at the nfl level and you never hear these draft experts acknowledge that
You ever watch Chris Simms?
Purdy is a perfect example of
@@edwardrichard2561how when everyone passed on him 7 times? No one bad mouthed purdy bc no one was thinking about him early in the draft he wasn’t scrutinized at all stop reaching
I think it speaks more to how none of these experts have really nailed down how to identify future stars. Ryan Leaf is a good example people saw the talent but didn’t look at his personality at the time. Jamarcus Russel fairly similar.
Yeah it's a gamble there have been many first round draft picks that were busts.
This guy said two things that stood out to me.
1) Hoge evaluated Caleb in 6 games vs Fields in 39 and came
to the conclusion that Fields is our guy.
2) Caleb is being compared to the NFL developed Mahomes, and not the Mahomes in college. Meaning there is room for Caleb to grow still.
Grow he is 5"11
Don't pass on time run in circles holds the ball
NFL defense are licking their Chops
These are college stats tho. They don’t translate to the nfl 😂😂
@@ORIGINAL__ONEhe’s 6’1” and Mahomes is 6’2”
@@JohnAC4 Don’t even know why you bothered responding to that foolishness.
Fields only started 22 games though.. and didn’t even play in 39. He played 34.
I don't think Hoge said CW isn't going to be very good, he just said he didn't think he is a generational, special talent.
That is exactly what he said but you can't say that to the Caleb Williams fanatics because they are blinded by him.
That’s where Rich took it personal lol
Caleb Williams will not say it, publically, but he doesn't want to play for the Bears.
His trade value is at the highest right now than it ever will be.
Trade down.
So him saying he is not special, what exactly is that supposed to imply? How can he definitively say hes not remotely close to Mahommes? He is close to Mahommes and plays like him.
@@bizzo2g Because "Strong arm, and off platform throws" alone don't equal what Mahome's has been doing. A comparison to Mahomes implies that CW will have the secondary traits that makes Mahomes what he is and why he is winning so much, not just his physical traits and calling him "special" like how draft experts always play up their top rated QB.
Mahommes wasn’t Mahommes either as a prospect lol
Yeah. If Chicago had drafted Mahomes he'd be playing for his second team by now.
Yes he was. His arm was already his arm and his passing numbers were what they were in college. Scouts just overlooked him because of the school he played at. Even in college his arm was wildly better than williams' is now. Allen's was too. Herbert's was too. Some teams knew. At least the chiefs and saints did and sean Payton tried to draft mahomes which is why andy reid traded up one spot over them to steal him. The bears scouting historically sucks. Just because they took the one dude doesn't mean that was consensus in the league either
Payton also said last year that Caleb is the type of player that should cause the NFL to go to a lottery system to keep teams from tanking. That is how highly Payton thinks of Caleb.
The Bears were 12-4 with the best defense in football with Tribesky. Mahomes easily carries that team to the nfc championship@@113lostmalice
Who's Mahommes? Sounds like some kind of food
Says the guy who likes a Trubrisky…. And Zach….😊
Williams is very SPECIAL!! He will go Number !
Caleb isn’t Mahomes, he just plays a little bit like him. That’s it. I think he’s going to be closer to a Kyler Murray in the NFL than Mahomes. That said he’s a lot better than Fields imo. You can’t hide behind the coordinator thing in defending Fields. Fields does not see the field well at all, is extremely slow processing a defense, misses easy reads, misses easy throws. It’s been three years and it’s enough to know he’s not the guy.
Exactly. It's 50/50 OC and Qb.
just because you say things doesn't make it true. fields bad pass rate is below average and outside of dj Moore a Cole kmet the bears receivers had a drop rate of 15-20%. the bears interior oline was a mess, our centers couldn't snap the ball with consistency leading to slow setups and missed reads. maybe if you had actually known what you were watching you wouldn't be parroting the bs going around
I agree Kyler is a better Comp
I love how everyone acts like they know what Williams is gonna be in the nfl, good or bad. No one knows. We'll find out. No one is going to be like Mahomes, or Brady, or other greats. But I will say Williams tape shows that he's ridiculously talented and does some similar things to Mahomes. Will that translate to the nfl, we'll see.
When people refer to a player as "generational", usually that means they're being considered to have the potential of an all-time great... If Williams can't be expected to be in that echelon (which I believe he isn't), people need to stop acting like he's a generational talent...
Absolutely true! But the fact is they think he could be a generational talent and he may or may not be. Very few are, so it's not likely he is, but I do think very few come along that have the potential to be that guy. If I'm the Bears I'm taking that chance if that's what they think. @@tommydevine9993
@@tommydevine9993you saidnothing lol
He failed in big games this year.
USC was supposed to be a CFP contender but Penix outplayed him and Washington was the CFP Championship finalist.
He failed in one big game vs ND. That's it. He threw 3 picks in that game and was sacked 6 times. So his offensive line is garbage.
The game vs Washington he had 3 td and no picks, qbr was 90.4 and he was 27 of 35. I think he did enough. The problem was the USC defense was terrible in that game and pretty much all season. @@carlfrye1566
Starts by saying he’s only watched 3 games Lmaoo
Tbf in cfb these dudes only play 3 real teams
every draft 'analyst' says Caleb is generational. a lot of nfl guys are saying Caleb is overhyped
I love the argument of "If he goes to the right situation he will be good." Leaves these commentators open in case CW sux, then they can say it wasn't the right "situation". However, they will not allow the same argument to be made for Fields.
Like the hypocrisy from these people
Yeah and meanwhile they say oh well if he goes to the Bears they'll need an offensive line and some real receivers. Hahaha... why not give that to Fields! He is only 24 and has been working with garbage for the last 2 years. He has been our entire offense. He finally got one weapon for the first time this year (DJ Moore) and threw almost 1400 yards to him.
@@NPC8474 Because CW is a better prospect than JF was? JF will be on year 4. If you don't understand contract clocks, that's a you problem.
@TheMattTrakker they'll have to pay CW 3 million more then they'd have to pay JF next year if they draft him 1st overall, you'rereally only getting a big discount in years 3 & 4 of a CW contract. If they think they can win with JF they're better off extending him after year 5. By the time CW is due to re-up 3 years later it'll cost at least 10-15 million a year more to extend him than JF's contract would be.... look who doesn't understand money
If you don't know ball that's your problem. Fields is an elite top 3 talent@@TheMattTrakker
Dude just said get him in Chicago, add to the offensive line and get another receiver to go next to DJ. Isn’t that the same thing Justin needs? Hasn’t he been dealing with a team with those same needs for 3 yrs. Do these analysts hear themselves??
After you pay fields you won’t be able to pay other positions as much vs you draft Caleb you have him on a rookie deal makes it easier to bring in other players
Sure all qbs Need help. Some more than others. The difference is you have 4 years to get willaims there, as opposed to only one more with fields. The goal is to find a great one that gets you consistent contention. Fields got a raw deal, no doubt about it. But that's just reality for a lot of players.
It’s crazy how they say build around Williams which acknowledges that Chicago as a team is still missing key pieces to be considered a serious competitor.. but in the same breath say that Fields should have basically taken the team to the playoffs and made all pro every year since he was drafted to justify keeping him
@@Champ-xd5qrI hate using wins as a Qb stat but he went 5-8 and his wins and impressive performances we’re against poor defenses like Denver who led up 70 points the week before and the commanders
@@JohnAC4 that’s true, but I guess what I’m saying is they mention all the things needed here for CW to succeed but then act like those things are already present when speaking about JF. I agree that Fields needs to find a way to beat playoff caliber teams though, that’s the next step for him imo. Like ok we see what you can do with a little extra help against mediocre defenses.. now let’s see what you do against top ones with more help.. whether it’s in Chicago or somewhere else (because that’s a reality we have to face also).
The 9ers had the #2 pick in the 2017 draft & could’ve stayed put or picked Mahomes @ #3, that should be the conversation, Mahomes has beaten the 49ers in 2 SB’s, SF would be the dynasty rn had they picked correctly
39 games on a bad team. No weapons and no oline. Now its going the right direction and they want to bail on feilds is wrong.
I trust Hoge more than DJ here. MH has been willing to be blunt in his assessments when others are overhyping players. The one I remember recently was Zach Wilson - who roomed with Merril's son at BYU. Merril was interviewed on the radio and he said a couple of nice things about Zach, but then he said something like this..."the only thing you could say that's a concern is that when Zach played against better competition, he didn't play well." To me, as far as grading a prospect for the NFL, that's the most important thing! At least Hoge would say it out loud...and he was proven right, that kid is nowhere near good enough to compete at the NFL level and scouts should have seen that.
Physically doesn’t matter it’s the mental state that matters
Look at Caleb Williams when he played ranked opponents vs non-ranked. It is night and day, he struggled against the best.
Exactly. He either quit or couldn’t rise to the occasion. And since he won’t be drafted by Andy Reid we know he won’t get developed the same as Reid developed Mahomes.
only a couple games this year when his OLine was completely overmatched.
Against Washington.. who I believe made the Championship game. He went 27 for 35 with 3tds no INTs. And then against Utah wasn’t great but was sacked 3 times and hurried 9, and then against ND was sacked 6 times and 33 times in 12 games.. also has not one nfl caliber WR..and still threw for almost 4,000 yards with 30 TDS and 5 INTS. so why don’t we do the same thing you all do for fields and blame the O line, or lack of weapons around him..?
@@joeyalexander4698it's mainly because they don't like Caleb as a person so they'll do their best to ignore the talent and playmaking. I was the only one who believed Trevor Lawrence was a below average quarterback. Justin has always outperformed him at camps since his junior year in high school. I highlight it because there are different levels to this. Caleb's both floor and ceiling are as high as it gets coming out of college. He's not only a safe pick, but has that special potential to compete with guys like Mahomes, which is the only way you can get to the pinnacle of the sport over the next decade plus. Seeing what he did with a talent deficient group of receivers, there's no way the Bears pass on Caleb now. The haters will see over the next couple of years and then they will forget about their evaluation on him.
@@fantasypoliceyou were not the only one who felt that way about Lawrence. I could at least see the argument for why he went first, but watching Wilson and Lance go ahead of Fields was insane.
Comparing a player to a great player is never fair. The key as stated in the interview it is where the player goes that takes advantage of the talents of the player.
People don’t understand what a comparison means. You are comparing traits. That doesn’t mean one will have the same career trajectory as the one they are compared to.
@robdaniel3211 Best explanation of NFL comparisons. I compare Malcolm Koonce'sget off to Von Miller's but I'm not saying he is close to the same elite player. Not fair to players that have yet to set foot on the field.
@@robdaniel3211 If you have the same traits then the natural expectation is that they will produce at a similar rate. Whether its fair or not, that's how the expectation of "comparing traits" works.
@@TheRayzerBandit sure but what are you supposed to say? Everything needs a reference point.
@@krissmith9814 You can give a comparison to other QBs based on individual traits and that is fine, but an overall comp is the dumbest thing ever. Saying CW's comp is Mahomes immediately tells people to expect CW to produce to the level of Mahomes when NO ONE EVER has been able to produce at the rate he is so early in his career. These draft analysts are only setting themselves to be sound clips in the future for when the player becomes a "bust" from the unfair expectation put on him..
Saying something like "He has a amazing arm strength like Josh Allen and the skills to throw on the run like Mahomes." just showcases he has those traits. That is a million times better than "My comp for him is Mahomes".
I’m with Merrill. I just don’t see it with Caleb. If he’s there at 11 I wouldn’t want the Vikes to take him.
You wouldn’t take him over a 36 year old coming off a torn Achilles? I call bullshit
And enjoy another year at the bottom of the division 😂
@@Christian-qu6yv The Vikes haven’t finished at the bottom of the division in years. Thats where the bears and lions live.
Right the guy who picked DeShone Kizer and Trubisky over Mahomes. Mahomes wasn't even in his top 50. Why would I ever listen to DJ ?
Fields passing stats bottom 5, kind of important for QBs
Look at his stats throwing to DJ Moore then look at the trash he had to throw to other than DJ Moore. The best WR in 2022 couldn’t even make the 77 team which was one of the worse offenses in nfl history.
Actually having receivers to throw to is even more important for a QB.
Do you know how many of those throws were just his 1st read…?
@@kenyattaclay7666his wideouts were average, he’s a one read qb that only threw to dj or a check down to Kmet. You fanboys are really blaming everyone else except him for sucking lol
@@kenyattaclay7666 He also missed 4+ games this season, yet people are still using his total season numbers/stats against him lol.
@@MFBloosh yes and he's always hurt. Plus he sucks when he is in 😂
So you're saying he's generational but has to go to the right team to be developed? Got it
I use to live in Chicago for 8 years and Chicago is where QBs go to die.
Because that's how things work in the NFL. It is essential to remember that the team a player goes to is the number one determiner of success. We've seen it a million times, a player goes to the wrong situation and looks like a bum, gets either cut or traded then looks like an absolute star. Same way players get drafted and look incredible, then get traded and fall off a cliff. No amount of talent will ever make up for a bad team and a bad coach.
Would Mahomes be Mahomes without being drafted by Andy Reid? Let’s be smart here.
Can you give give a couple of examples of a quarterback who sucked on one team and then became incredible for the rest of their career on the next team? And obviously I’m not talking about someone who was coming off the bench behind a great quarterback.
That’s how it works. Obviously. Lmao
I would trust Hoge's assessment on draft prospects he's an excellent evaluator of offensive positions. Remember way back when he said Jonny Manzel would be a bust? Yep, he nailed it. And hasn't really missed on any of his takes since..
He had Mahomes as a 2nd round QB and said burrow was the only 1st round worthy QB in class. He has his mistakes
Also he really liked Mitch Trubisky and Zach Wilson. "hasn't really missed" LOL
He said Lamar Jackson would be bad in the ravens offense this year. He won the goddamn MVP lmao. Hoge is a clown
Merril Hoge, now that’s a name I’ve not heard in a long time.
39 games for justin feild, he's had a stud wr for around 14 games, and had a solid offensive line for maybe 8 games in his career. Caleb does thing faster on a college level, how can u compare that to nfl speed? But cool story bro.
That pac 10 or 12 forgot which, those defenses may have put 2 quarterbacks in the 1st round of this draft. Like power steering for the car those quarterbacks got power assisted stats because of that none defense theory that was utilize this past season, even Penix look good...
Absolutely correct
"Ceiling requires patience" for Caleb? What about THAT FOR JUSTIN!???!
40 games! He's 3rd tier qb. Passed for over 225 yards in 3 years! He ain't it
225 yes. 3 times! Minshew 5 times last year!
3 years is plenty of patience. CJ stroud needed one season to become top ten and he came from the same system and school
Jeremiah had Trubisky #1 and Mahomes #3 or #4
Exactly, while Merill Hoge played in the league and has been right about a lot players
Hoge himself had Mahomes in the 2nd round
Mahomes was my #1 qb that year.
I was so fuxked off when they pick Trubisky, Fuxk I was gutted.
Mahomes landed in the perfect spot with a great coach that got the best out of him. He was good at TT, but they didn't even come close to winning the big 12. Trubisky had the same talent physically, just not mentally.
@@Joel.Stickland JF Fanboys don't care about reality.
Merril Hoge's the only Guy that says who he likes and who he doesn't. He's not always right BUT at least he's honest. Everyone INCLUDING Daniel Jeremiah, just loves every QB every year and are afraid of the backlash of being wrong so they just go safe and just praise everyone. It's so annoying. I love Merril!
The most important attribute a QB needs in the NFL is processing speed. It’s impossible to evaluate this in college. You have to see them in the NFL under pressure and you only see that after drafting them. Fields may be much better than Williams will ever be.
Let's first address this skewed video title "Daniel Jeremiah Refutes Merril Hodge's..." He disagrees with it, but he's not proved Hodge is incorrect. Second, Hodge never said Williams was not going to be very good. At least correctly represent what Hodge was saying.
Yes he did and Hoge was right go read Daniel Kelly’s former NFk Scouts take on Caleb. The tape shows he is not special. Jeremiah also never played in the NFL. First rule of investigative journalism always consider the source.
The foremost ability to work within the structure of the offense. # 1 attribute needed. Rest is bonus.
Hoge may have been right on Manziel, but he wasn't alone. And he said Burrow was the only QB worth taking in the 1st round of the 2020 draft. The others who got selected were Tua, Herbert, and Love. He swings and misses a lot like most of these guys.
don't forget who he had as his second best qb in the draft, Jacob Eason.
Hoge thought Burrow was the only first round QB in 2020.
Fact is that no one knows.
Meril Hoge also claims that CTE is one big conspiracy
No he claims that repeated head trauma doesn’t lead to the disease known as CTE.
Merrill “I can’t be in a room too bright because my brain won’t allow it” Hoge believes CTE is one big conspiracy???
Hoge played a position so unimportant it no longer exists.
@@lockedonlaw meh
@@lockedonlaw And that invalidates his opinion to small minds
If the Bears don’t draft Caleb Williams, they’re gonna have to pay Justin Fields $30 million a year. Makes absolutely no sense.
Actually more.
Waldron helped and turned Geno,so why wouldn’t he be able to lead Fields in the same road.
Think of this. Contractor build partial house. His work is shotty. Good luck finding someone to finish it. You want to start a project fresh.
As a Bears fan if he has 50% of Mahomes success I will be elated
Fields was a superstar in college. Because the bears stripped their entire team to its studs and tanked last season, isn’t on Fields. Fields deserves one more year even if you draft Caleb. Caleb Williams looks like Baker Mayfield mixed with Kyler Murray.
This season they added a quality starting WR, drafted Olineman Wright with the 10th overall pick, Cole Kmet developed into a legit TE, fielded a much better defense, especially after Sweat showed up, and maintained offensive continuity with a second year of Getsy. After all that Fields' QB stats cluster around bottom of the middle tier and bottom of the low tier. I actually like Fields, but he has a slow delivery, is slow to read the field, especially the middle of the field and what the field will look like in the next second. I fear that the game will never slow down for him and he will never be able to force defenses to defend the middle of the field.
@@primafacie9721 That's exactly what most of us see. Add three injuries in three years to the mix and two years from him costing $40 mil plus. Take one shot at greatness while you can without having to make a crippling trade up in the draft.
@@primafacie9721having offensive continuity with a bad OC means nothing. Getsy doesn’t know how to use that type of QB. Saying you added one wr and your TE got better but then acting as if Fields wasn’t a part of Kmart getting better. He also missed 4 games.
@@73ajd1where do you guys get this stuff no one says you HAVE to pay him 40 million dollars a year lol
Of course Fields was part of Kmet getting better, but the bottom line is that he was better and thus one less weak link in Fields' supporting roster.@@VvVT734
The Bears have had 3 years of NFL game tape to evaluate Justin. If he's good enough to win with, then build around him with another outside WR. However, you can always draft a QB #1 and still keep Justin. He's still under contract. Give him another year of evaluation while Caleb gets proficient with the system. If it doesn't pan out, you still have Caleb and you don't pick up Justin's 5th year option.
That is just not how the NFL works. When you pick a QB is the first round, you are telling your starting QB that he is done.
What I can’t stand about these experts is they are always comparing rookie QBs to great players like Mahomes but they didn’t even see the Mahomes in Patrick Mahomes. If he was any good he would be employed by a team. He’s just entertainment. If more of us had lives they would be unemployed.
Ironically, the Bears picked Trubisky ahead of Mahomes 🤣 So any QB they draft from then on is going to be compared to the guy they could have had. That's got to sting just a little.
Compare Hodge to Jeremiah on QB's over the last few drafts, I trust Hodge more. I remember when Jeremiah told us Zach Wilson was the second coming. Hodge got CJ right as top QB over Bryce just last year. He called on Manzel, Wilson....The "experts" are in the business of falling in love each year.
he also thought Kellen Clemens would be a really good quarterback, thought Jacob Eason was better than Tua and Herbert and Brian Brohm would be better than Aaron Rodgers. Fact is he has as many misses as everyone else. He isn't lazy and tries to provide good analysis but Hoge is not special in terms of quarterback evaluation.
Daniel was spectacularly wrong about the “magical” Bryce Young just 10 months ago. “eXpErT”
What’s the difference between Manzel and Williams
Mahomes has been extremely fortunate to be fall into an organization like the Chiefs with Andy Reid coaching. If Mahomes has been playing with a crap team/organization over his career, this talk about the greatest of all time is not even a conversation. Where you play matters.
Rich was on my SWA flight Sunday night from LAS-LAX!
Man of the people
Yeah just like Trump. Conceited Man of the People
There is no way he can lead grown men and an organization crying on mamas lap, paiting his nails, skipping post-game pressers and wearing dresses.
Caleb's time to throw was the worst (well longest) in college football...what exactly does he do faster?
Caleb Williams reminds me more of Jay Cutler than Patrick Mahomes as far as his play.
Controversial draft opinions that Merril got right so far (paraphrasing)......
1. Johnny Manziel "wouldn't draft him until 5th round"
2. Tim Tebow "wouldn't draft him"
3. Matt Leinart "Not a first round QB"
4. Vince Young, "Not a first round QB"
5. Jay Cutler "best QB in his draft class" (Same class as Matt Leinart/Vince Young)
5. CJ Stroud "Top QB in draft class" "Only QB I'd take in round 1"
6. Bryce Young "Not a first round QB"
7. Anthony Richardson "not a first round QB"
8. Mitchell Trubisky "Shouldn't have come out" "Red Flags" "least Accurate"
8. Jadeveon Clownery "An average football player"
What Merril got wrong.........
1. Preferred RG3 over Andrew Luck
2. Huge Fan of Zach Wilson
Brian Brohm, Lamar Jackson
No clue how people can think Fields needs more time to develop. Lamar was MVP in year 2, Mahomes was MVP in year 2, Burrow was in the super bowl in year 2. Fields has had 3 years and shown absolutely nothing at an elite level. He's near the bottom of the league in passing. He doesn't rack up wins. He makes big mistakes pretty much every game. The tape doesn't lie on Fields. What are bears fans seeing????
Caleb is a LOT more gifted as a QB than Fields.
He processes faster, better accuracy, just a better QB in general.
If Fields was a guy we wouldn’t be having this conversation
Hoge has been spot on evaluating talent, he’s not saying it to be mean, it’s an honest evaluation of what he saw on film.
Caleb does not possess the qualities of an alpha male. He is a vulnerable and immature young individual who is in dire need of personal growth and development.
Yep, there are lots of red flags even how talented he is.
Which is why he should stay in college and finish his NCAA career
Says who Mr???
You haven’t spent a second near him.
How easy to type down sitting in your comfy chair.
@@carlaauri8461 In the National Football League (NFL), there reside individuals who have consistently demonstrated unparalleled excellence in their athletic endeavors. As a leader of these exceptional alpha males, one must possess qualities akin to theirs. Engaging in activities such as shedding tears in the comforting embrace of one's mother or adorning one's nails with paint does not align with the characteristics of an alpha male. I fail to discern the tenacity and resilience in his demeanor. True leaders in this league are expected to inspire and command the respect of their fellow men. Regrettably, it appears that Caleb may not possess the ability to attract a significant following. This deficiency can detrimentally impact team dynamics, ultimately eroding the cohesion and unity of the collective.
@@carlaauri8461 While Caleb may possess certain abilities, the quintessential skill required of a quarterback is effective leadership and composure in high-pressure situations. If our quarterback is seen weeping in the stands after a loss, it raises concerns about his readiness to handle critical moments in future close games. Will he be inclined to seek solace in his mother's arms or demonstrate the determination necessary to lead our team to victory? Caleb's actions raise numerous questions that he may struggle to answer convincingly. It is imperative for a quarterback to exemplify qualities that inspire confidence and demonstrate a resolute commitment to the team's success.
So he compared Justin and Caleb based off how the both entered the NFL not where Justin currently is and where Caleb currently is. I think if Caleb goes to Chicago he is going to be setup for failure.
“The GOAT that [Mahomes] is right now”???
Does Eisen not know what “GOAT” stands for?? 🤦🏻♂️
I’ve seen Caleb do a lot of things, but I haven’t seen him win.
93 tds in 2 seasons behind the worst interior o-line in the country isn’t special?? Don’t see any other QBs getting remotely close to that kind of production while facing pressure nearly every snap.
I don't think the line was as bad as that.
I'm USC Class of 99 and saw every snap Caleb took over the past two years, and you sir do not know what you're talking about.
C Brett Neilon made PFF 1st team AA in 2022.
G Andrew Voorhees was AP 1st Team AA in 2022 as well as 1st Team PFF as well.
The OL was also a semi-finalist for the Joe Moore Award , given out annually to the top OL in college football, in 2022 as well.
Keep it factual and don't spread bllshit.
Fields had the same OC the last two years.
An absolutely terrible one
He was fired
Who sucked and called one million screens, that didn’t work.
@@jontelmurphy5996 I know. But Merill Hoge said Justin has had a different coordinator every year. He hasn't.
@@FortheLoveofSportspodcast so terrible he was hired immediately after they let him go lol yall will never accept the fact that fields just ain't it he's taysom hill 2.0
Daniel same, guy who said how talented Zack Wilson is
Hoge likes Wilson as well.
There is a difference between being talented and actually using that talent at the right time. Wilson can throw all the "wow" throws in "practice" but never with someone trying to take his head off.
No one thrives in the Bears organization, they can't develop a QB. Mahomes would not have thrived in Chicago, and fields will thrive outside chicago.
The Dude will be a stud I am a Bears Fan and we need this
Great breakdown Swifty! I was so looking forward to this video.
Move down to 2. Take Maye and extra draft picks. Rookie wage scale. Next years Texans?
Hoge is a pretty damn good evaluator of talent.
For the few he got right, hes also had some awful takes... why he cant keep a job with a network lol
The problem with Caleb is its all about him. He is only interested in himself and its obvious. Any team drafting him will need to get ready for the classic Narcissistic wide receiver syndrome. Caleb will be a cancer unless he learns to understand it aint about him. That rarely happens with a narcissist.
So they disagree with a guy that has actual NFL experience, after admitting that he also has been right before on overhyped QBs. Hoge's experience and track record speaks for itself over the advice of people that have never drafted a player, run a team, or coached anyone up.
I’ve never seen this much discourse about a Draft prospect since Lamar Jackson
Everyone falls in love with highlight plays instead of looking at what are they really good at consistently. I agree with hoge, i never thought caleb was anything special
He is not Mahomes. Mahomes is Mahomes. Caleb is gonna be a stud
Caleb Williams 8-5 and two of his losses against two teams that had 5 win’s between them. Can someone please define “generational talent”
Merril Hodge said Brian Brohm would be better than Aaron Rodger.
Caleb Williams will be the biggest bust since JaMarcus Russell. Come to think of it. Many of the top 5 QBs that have been drafted, have been busts in the last 15 years. The NFL has a QB analyzing, evaluating problem. Period.
no he wont'
All I know is whoever the Bears draft, whether Williams, Harrison, Jr., etc., they will be busts, because they are the Bears.
I agree.
Meril is in the majority he just told the truth about watching 6 games none of these experts stayed up late on Saturdays to watch every USC game
hang on... "you have to add to the offensive line and add a weapon at receiver and have some patience...." hmmm the same stuff Justin didnt have and Justin is 6'3" bigger faster, similar arm. This kid may list at 5' 11" - he lists unofficial 6'1". Seems stupid, I'll take the draft picks.
Daniel Jeremiah is 100000% Spot on
Hoge is right, Caleb Williams will not take Bears 🐻 to next level. The organization is missed up and up will allow Williams to get beat down.
Fields only started 22 games.. and only played in 34 not 39.
Right or wrong it's great to see someone actually say someone isn't as amazing as EVERYONE thinks they are. It seems like none of the sports mouths will say negative things a lot of the time.
No matter what you think of caleb, he threw over 4,000 yards in one season. Very few college QBs have done that. Only QBs like Burrow, mahomes, mayfield. Not even jayden daniels did it. Caleb is in an elite class. Drake Maye also did it. Thats why they still consider him #2 QB in the draft
Colt Brennan did it so did Nick rolovich for Hawaii wtf u talking about the air raid offense demands that lol.
If Caleb comes here, I'll root for him. But: He is smaller than Justin. He has no college experience under center. He comes from a one-read pre-snap offense. He does not throw with anticipation He fumbles. He holds the ball for longer than three seconds. Not saying he can't be good or even great. But these are red flags and not an improvement over Justin. Warm weather QB with an overprotective father. Chase is right. Keep Justin.
I genuinely think people just don’t like Caleb Williams. Because how could anyone take what Merril said serious he self admitted to only watching 6 games of his tape! If he only watched 6 games of Jordan Love this year there’s a good chance he’d think he was a bottom half of the league QB.
Caleb Williams has the 2nd highest bust potential in this draft behind Bo Nix. Caleb Williams owns a elite tool set, Justin Fields owns a elite tool set. Williams looked horrible when he played real defenses .
I don't agree with DJ when he said that they aren't comparing Caleb Williams to Patrick Mahomes now, they're comparing him to Patrick Mahomes coming out of Texas Tech. Um, no you're not, you've been comparing him to Patrick Mahomes now. You've been assuming that he's going to be Patrick Mahomes because of the traits you see on tape, which is fine, but no one thought Mahomes was going to do what he is doing right now. If they did, he would have gone first overall. The question people have to ask themselves, would Mahomes be doing the same things if he didn't have Andy Reid as his HC? I think he would still be great because he has the "It" factor, but he probably wouldn't have 3 rings. There's no guarantee Caleb's getting his Andy Reid or Bill Belichick. KC and New England hit lightning in a bottle with their HC and QB combos. That's why I feel some people need to pump the breaks on the Mahomes comparisons. Last year it was Bryce Young and then every other QB, this year it's Caleb WIlliams and then every other QB. If I'm a QB prospect and I'm regarded as the best QB in the draft class, I would rather go 2nd or 3rd overall with a better fit with the coaching staff than go first overall only because people think that's where I should go. But that's just my feelings about it.
When was the last time Hoge got significant air time? Kinda tells me everything I need to know. He shot his shot with an unpopular opinion, hoping that if he is right he can parlay it into a ticket back into relevance.
The biggest knock to me on Caleb is he’s not a leader , he has a me mentality
Correct.
He will fail in the NFL
That's the gen Z mentality, in general. Good luck graining it out of him.
How when all of his old teammates coaches and ppl around the program saying that’s absolutely not true. Rices son said he had to elevate his practice habits bc Caleb held him accountable and wouldn’t throw him the ball if he didn’t run every route hard.Did twitter tell you that ? 🐑
That's why a lot of us in Chicago respect Justin so much and would like him to stay. All the bs from the media, all the non stop criticism, and the kid just puts his head down and goes to work. He leads his team, as all Bears players have stated... He's the leader in the locker room. Caleb doesn't give me the impression that he will be able to handle the pressure of succeeding as a Chicago bears QB, and I honestly think our media and fans will eat him alive.
You talk to anyone on the team or coaching staff he’s a great leader 😂
Merill’s shirt is cutting off the blood flow to his brain. “Not special”.
I think Chicago should give that #1 pick back to North Carolina.
People like Justin Fields as a person and want to root for him. Inaccurate NFL qb rarely become accurate nfl QBs. His numbers are similar to Zach Wilson except he has running highlights. That is not a guy who can lead you to a super bowl. If you don’t think that is who Fields is then get another qb. The goal is super bowl, not 1st round playoff losses.
Refute means to "prove" false - as in "refute an argument." The word of late has been misused ramapantly as a synonym of "rebut" or "dispute" (no doubt due to contagion via the UA-cam Feedback Loop).
The RES should hire writers.
relax ya tool
Exactly, he refuted nothing
Bears just need to trade the pick. Build around Justin and stay the course. The pick is a blessing and let's not make it complicated, and trade it. I'm a Giants fan but I watch all the games, and I saw the Bears heading in the right direction.
Comparing how one QB performed in College vs how another QB performed in the NFL is wild.
Bears are gonna trade Fields for a 2nd and a 5th tho.
On Caleb Williams, I listen to Petros Papadakis,he says ,yes he has lots of talent, but questions his maturity. Petros covers USC and played there.Buyer beware on Caleb Williams.
Prospect is the operative word! JF hasn’t had the developmental opportunity with the Bears. The Bears/Browns probably have had the most qbs in league history. JF can be the guy
Caleb Williams is going to take receipts.Caleb will do great.
Keep Justin, and draft Caleb, let them compete for the starting job. Trade the guy who loses out. I know it’s highly unconventional, but this franchise cannot afford to make the wrong decision, here. Granted, if Caleb gets beaten out for QB1, his trade value will be significantly lower than that number 1 pick overall is. Idk, I’ve got my doubts about both of them
You don’t draft a QB #1 to have him compete for a job
classic bears move
Nobody is more “gifted” than Justin. Maybe better at anticipating but that’s about it
Anyone who tries to tell you that a player isn’t going to be good loses all credibility because the truth is no one has any clue what any of these players will be at the next level.
But that doesn't apply to the clowns all but ushering him into the th hof right.