100% an interhapū conflict that perhaps the details of which survive today because the details were passed on through oral transmission by the thousands or families of the thousands who were involved...and not because Europeans wrote it down? Just a thought... Ngāti Toa now reside at the 'southern tip' of the North Island, but are originally from Kāwhia, which was their home base at the time of the battle of Hinga Kākā.
Nice video. But surely, there were greater battles, and campaigns, once certain tribes had better access to more muskets? Interesting how in the end Ngati Toa was compelled to migrate due to Waikato pressure... and the ensuing carnage that engulfed the lower North Island and top of the South Island. It really makes one wonder what drove the ferocity of chiefs like Te Rauparaha and Hongi Hika.... Alos, didn't Te WheroWhero only become known as king in the late 1850s.... in the Maori response to European expansion?
@@kenwarrington6839 The chiefs were grateful for the spread of civilization to these shores. They were most eager for Euripeans to settle near them, and between them, as this brought an end to the carnage of the inter-tribal warfare period known ar the musket wars. They were truly brutal.
@@davethewave7248 CIVILIZED RACES COMMIT GENOCIDE TO INDIGENIOUS PEOPLES DO THEY LOL WHATA JOKE, BEST YOU RESEARCH HOW THE COLONIES WE TAKEN, WASNT BY HANDSHAKES AND HUGS
@@davethewave7248 all about trade and raising the mana of their tribes before others could. It was only after the Treaty was dishonoured that the real nasty stuff started.
@@kiwiinkampuchea Not true. The real nasty stuff happened in the musket wars before the signing of the treaty. Whole tribes were butchered by other tribes in a near endless cycle of violence. This stopped [for twenty years] with settlement and the signing.
Unfortunately translating the terms into English terms completely distorts the narrations of the entire story,culture ,people, geograph,history until eventually we are all confused about what we are learning
Pikauterangi had 10000 troops??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Pure bullshit... No chief at that time would of been able to muster even half that number...ask anyone from Tuhoe about this battle and they will say "Pikau-who and the battle of Hinga-what???"" Doesn't it seem strange that Tuhoe (among a bunch of other tribes that supposedly joined Pikauterangi) wouldn't be able to recall any of the chiefs they supposedly lost at what was supposed to be the greatest battle that Aotearoa had ever seen???And if such numbers were killed there, where are all the bones of the slain which should have numbered into the thousands if the numbers killed there were true, and where are all the weapons which should also number into the thousands as well???Why hasn't ANY of the tribes that took part in this battle on Pikauterangi's side ever requested the return of the bones of their revered chiefs and warriors??? The numbers that this story says were present at this battle just is not possible...this story is more a lie than it ever was a truth... I'd bet good money that the narrator of this video is reading right along with what Pei Te Hurinui Jones and Leslie Kelly wrote about this battle...absolute crap...if one were to study the lay of the land as it was back at that time with all its undrained swamps and lakes, there is absolutely NO way you could put thousands of people onto such a small and narrow battlefield...it just isn't possible...
@@Rodtang-x5z "Ask anyone from Tuhoe about this battle and they'll tell you Pikau-who?and the battle of hinga- what??" That's what you said and that's what I'm replying too
@Mr_Riffman08 Ahh...yes...Tuhoe were said to have been among those who supported Pikauterangi in the battle of Hingakaka. Upon our asking the old people of Tuhoe about this battle none of them said their war chiefs were there, and if they were, they said every effort will have been made to retrieve their bodies from the battlefield, right down to appealing to Waikato to be able to do so, as it was an old custom of the times. They knew about going to the battle of Orakau, but not the battle of Hingakaka...they knew even less of Pikauterangi, even though he was a chief, he was not widely known nor held in as high regard as other known chiefs...Pikauterangi became known because of the Hingakaka battle, before that, barely anyone knew of him except those of Ngati Toa...
Wow outstanding a true master class of story telling I could listen to your voice for hours kiaora to your oratory skill whanau.
Beautiful korero,
nice doco bro
100% an interhapū conflict that perhaps the details of which survive today because the details were passed on through oral transmission by the thousands or families of the thousands who were involved...and not because Europeans wrote it down? Just a thought...
Ngāti Toa now reside at the 'southern tip' of the North Island, but are originally from Kāwhia, which was their home base at the time of the battle of Hinga Kākā.
Ngati TOA Tamihana And his uncle king makers.
Chur Tena koe for Retelling this story haven’t heard this for ages
Nice video. But surely, there were greater battles, and campaigns, once certain tribes had better access to more muskets? Interesting how in the end Ngati Toa was compelled to migrate due to Waikato pressure... and the ensuing carnage that engulfed the lower North Island and top of the South Island. It really makes one wonder what drove the ferocity of chiefs like Te Rauparaha and Hongi Hika....
Alos, didn't Te WheroWhero only become known as king in the late 1850s.... in the Maori response to European expansion?
there were many, of which this is one, there was no expansion, it was an invasion
@@kenwarrington6839 The chiefs were grateful for the spread of civilization to these shores. They were most eager for Euripeans to settle near them, and between them, as this brought an end to the carnage of the inter-tribal warfare period known ar the musket wars. They were truly brutal.
@@davethewave7248 CIVILIZED RACES COMMIT GENOCIDE TO INDIGENIOUS PEOPLES DO THEY LOL WHATA JOKE, BEST YOU RESEARCH HOW THE COLONIES WE TAKEN, WASNT BY HANDSHAKES AND HUGS
@@davethewave7248 all about trade and raising the mana of their tribes before others could. It was only after the Treaty was dishonoured that the real nasty stuff started.
@@kiwiinkampuchea Not true. The real nasty stuff happened in the musket wars before the signing of the treaty. Whole tribes were butchered by other tribes in a near endless cycle of violence. This stopped [for twenty years] with settlement and the signing.
The musket wars occurred well after 1803
So the first king had the arawa blood fuuu
Typical Te Arawa .
thats 10pc of the population...the losers get eaten and no one mentions the fish....utu
Unfortunately the use of unexplained terms makes this otherwise fascinating story difficult to understand to outsiders unfamiliar with Maori heritage.
Unfortunately translating the terms into English terms completely distorts the narrations of the entire story,culture ,people, geograph,history until eventually we are all confused about what we are learning
@@Mr_Riffman08 How offensive. Go and have a think about your future behavior.
Pikauterangi had 10000 troops???
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Pure bullshit...
No chief at that time would of been able to muster even half that number...ask anyone from Tuhoe about this battle and they will say "Pikau-who and the battle of Hinga-what???""
Doesn't it seem strange that Tuhoe (among a bunch of other tribes that supposedly joined Pikauterangi) wouldn't be able to recall any of the chiefs they supposedly lost at what was supposed to be the greatest battle that Aotearoa had ever seen???And if such numbers were killed there, where are all the bones of the slain which should have numbered into the thousands if the numbers killed there were true, and where are all the weapons which should also number into the thousands as well???Why hasn't ANY of the tribes that took part in this battle on Pikauterangi's side ever requested the return of the bones of their revered chiefs and warriors???
The numbers that this story says were present at this battle just is not possible...this story is more a lie than it ever was a truth...
I'd bet good money that the narrator of this video is reading right along with what Pei Te Hurinui Jones and Leslie Kelly wrote about this battle...absolute crap...if one were to study the lay of the land as it was back at that time with all its undrained swamps and lakes, there is absolutely NO way you could put thousands of people onto such a small and narrow battlefield...it just isn't possible...
all battles were lies, they all were blowasses
Why would you ask Tuhoe about Tainui chiefs ??That's like asking The Americans about The Red Army in WW2..If it isn't Tuhoe it doesn't mean 💩...
@Mr_Riffman08 I said why hasn't Tuhoe asked about the return of their OWN slain chiefs bones...not Tainui's...
@@Rodtang-x5z "Ask anyone from Tuhoe about this battle and they'll tell you Pikau-who?and the battle of hinga- what??"
That's what you said and that's what I'm replying too
@Mr_Riffman08 Ahh...yes...Tuhoe were said to have been among those who supported Pikauterangi in the battle of Hingakaka. Upon our asking the old people of Tuhoe about this battle none of them said their war chiefs were there, and if they were, they said every effort will have been made to retrieve their bodies from the battlefield, right down to appealing to Waikato to be able to do so, as it was an old custom of the times.
They knew about going to the battle of Orakau, but not the battle of Hingakaka...they knew even less of Pikauterangi, even though he was a chief, he was not widely known nor held in as high regard as other known chiefs...Pikauterangi became known because of the Hingakaka battle, before that, barely anyone knew of him except those of Ngati Toa...