you give off the vibes of "exhausted middle school English teacher who cannot believe that her students still use the incorrect there/their/they're". hope u feel better
last week my english teacher spent 30 minutes of class having us do an assignment on there/their/they’re because she was fed up with people still using the wrong ones. she is also my favorite teacher :)
I have never seen people actually make that mistake irl; just on the internet. Same for your/you're. Maybe I'm reaching, but it seems to be a Western thing.
@@user-rr2ep3gt5p a lot of my classmates and schoolmates in general make that mistake so it's not just a western thing lol, and, not to be a boomer, but i think it comes with not reading a lot in general
@@biseragjurovska1998 I’m 33 and live in north east US, my coworkers and some friends/family make this mistake alllll the damn time. It’s so frustrating, I blame the school systems. Have known several teachers with poor grammar. I definitely agree with you that it seems like a bu product of less reading.
@S Meza She may be a talented actress, but you can't deny she wasn't given a following for the book. I published my own book, rarely get over 25 copies sold. She publishes, and her followers buy it because they like her, even if they don't like poetry. She didn't build a following on writing yk? Idk how to explain
It irks me so much when amateurs poets reject criticism because the poem meant something to them. They know they don’t have to publish everything they write, right? Imagine if a bakery had to sell every sweet treat they baked, even the burnt, undone, and nasty tasting ones.
she actually got pissed when someone said something along the lines of "you are not a poet why are you writing this its really bad" and as usual she went on twitter and cried about it like a 12 year old and was like you will get your karma bc you are miserable and pathetic like? what the hell. she is the most annoying "celeb" i have seen. like she can't stand when ppl have an opinion and all she does is whine and go after ppl for no reason lmfao. and tbh she is actually a bad actress but no one is ready for that convo
I don't know much about poetry but im an ilustrator and i can't help but eyeroll at this kind of "illustrations" Doodles, they are poorly and unoriginal doodles.
It's funny how modern instapoets/celebrities are all doing the same thing: minimalist 'poems' and drawings about heartbreak and depression all presented in the exact same format and style. No room for individuality and experimentation whatsoever. (sorry I haven't finished the video yet so you may have already mentioned it, but I needed to get it off my chest) :P
This is the problem, as a poet myself I noticed on Instagram that those pages you mention are literally the only ones that get out there and that people enjoy
I feel like the difference between Lili's book and Gabbie's books is that Lili tried to write a good poetry book. She likes poetry and wanted to write a good poetry collection, but, because she is a celebrity, publishers just want to get the book published. So she doesn't get proper editing or mentoring, and she may not have been given the proper time to complete a book. I think she came into it full and good intentions but got sold out by the publisher. Where as a normal person who took this to a publisher would have been told no and gone home to improve their work, Lili's publisher took it immediately because they saw a money maker.
Couldn’t agree more! And I genuinely feel like Lili will want to improve and get better and that we’ll see great things from her writing in a few years! :)
I feel like a lot of these celebrity poetry books have pretty good titles and then the execution is...lacking. Like, oh 'Swimming Lessons' and learning to do something for the first time and the idea of treading water and the controlled environment of a pool compared to the wild untamed ocean or the vastness of a lake--that all checks out and then it just doesn't pan out the way it could have.
Maybe its a metaphor for how excited you are to start swimming lessons then you realize it’s not all it’s cracked up to be and kinda just sucks, so you stop after two lessons, just like the poetry in the book
@@lamb2004 i know this is the most random thing ever but what is a good poetry book? not this generic shit? something easy and inspirational to read? ps: i'm not a native english speaker.
i hate that there's so many "bad" poetry books made by actors/actresses/people from other businesses trying to sound relatable and deep out there smh, makes poetry seem like just anyone can do it with no concept of what poetry actually is
True and that's the only reason Rachel is negative about them, because they're taking money from a audience they had from another platform. If they weren't charging their fans, I'm sure Rachel would have a very nice constructively positive discussion about their development as a poet
I feel like they are using the art form so they can add “poet” to the list of credentials and get a louder applause. But then again I don’t want to say there aren’t well known people out there who truly do find an interest in it and are searching for something that makes them feel more like an artist.
Soon they will be the reason why poetry will die out. And thats sad and infuriating because it ruins the path for other good and real poems and poets out there.
Depends on which one, there is a green one too, I think it has all the colors of the rainbow with their selection. But it does look weirdly red in this lighting, I thought the original was a lighter yellow tbh.
I actualy think that is the only image I get from this book xD I imagine she implies they had sex, and were so impatient about it that they didn't even get into the bed (so you have the clean sheets but the damp duvet from their sweat -I hope); however when they finished, while she was left there to contemplate of what happened, he went on with housework and videogames, as if the time together was a chore or some past-time... ...Guys, am I reading too much into Instagram-style poetry? Send help
Hey, I’ve never really read books, just starting and I really like poems...I wrote something, can you/anyone tell me if it’s any good/bad, I’ll appreciate it so much :') I mean at least enjoy it so that’s nice lol She is a scattered head And she totes it all around town Wherever she goes. In the left field, Yet friends find her interesting. She’s got some kind of luminescence She can’t figure out, Something’s not letting her be: A whistling in her ear, Marbles clicking when she turns her head, On rooftops she lays upside down, But she holds on The thought of tricking the focus. Verdict: Determination, Coming back to person. In the process of totality greater than, She cut her hair and it’s slightly blue, She even hung a star. A star hanging from above her ceiling Reminds her to endeavor, Overbear Oblivious anima. Creating Even if she’s a scattered head She’s yet to be In the beginning We coexisted together for a decade remember? Without saying a word Who knows, we might have met before And now we coexist together again Without saying a word I don’t say anything, because I feel like we’ll cross existence again And if we coexist together for decades Without saying anything Remember? We existed
It most likely isn’t pleasant when you go in for a kiss and OH HOLY PIANO, does their breath REEK. If you’re unlucky they’re also an indoor smoker so their vehicle and/or place of residence stinks too. Secondhand smoke is also dangerous.
@@GoroAkechi_Real kind of odd to think that the romanticization of smoking started WAAAAAY WAY back, when cigarettes were much stronger. These days we have different flavors and such, frankly some are tasty. But I can't imagine making out with someone when they smoked something ten times stronger than modern marlboro reds. Must've tasted like death
I feel like anyone can make up one of these in seconds, you just describe a literal situation and connect it to a cheap metaphor, easy "you step to avoid cracks on the sidewalk... when will you avoid stepping on the cracks... in my heart"
should have been: I want you in every shade you come in; The bright orange sunlight washing over my face as I open my eyes The neon green of a toxic obsession you can't let go of The infinite blue of your deepest, darkest oceans The rosy hue of my cheeks as you kiss me The dark crimson of the blood on your knife of a tongue The amber brown of your comforting eyes The powdery white of a persistent, overbearing addiction And the lightless black of being devoured whole by your love by your anger by all of you.
A few days ago I found these random lines. Idk who wrote them, idk if they're part of a bigger poem, but, "A relit cigarette never tastes the same And that's all I'll say about rekindling old flames." There is literally more depth in that than in Lily's poem. Same theme, roughly the same word count, but those lines are just so much more interesting, right?
See? That's decent because I can pull an idea: It's about the fact that rekindling an old relationship will never feel as good as it did before, even if you really want it to. Most people understood that, duh, but it's not just a dumb metaphor, it's got a message.
also, may i add that the use of cigarette connotes that the relationship was toxic and addictive, and maybe that’s why the author doesn’t want to speak on it/remember it. 2 lines more interesting than anything in lilis whole book
Yes! I also think of Margaret Atwood’s poem: “you fit into me like a hook into an eye a fish hook an open eye” It’s extremely short but there’s so much to unpack. An open eye sounds so vulnerable.
@@joaopaulo1802 honey, this is the real world. You can't be a world-class actress and expect to be great at everything else as well. As an aspiring editor, you are NOT going to survive in this world if you can't take and handle constructive criticism and call it "disrespectful" at that. I love Lili Reinhart. As an actress. Although I love her, I can still come to terms with the fact that her poetry isn't it.
@@joaopaulo1802 she literally is offering constructive criticism. She’s pointing out the issues she sees in the poems, offering examples of where it’s done better.
Wanted to note there's also a difference between "pity me" and victim poetry. Not every expression of trauma, heartbreak, and whatnot needs to come across as empowering to avoid coming across as "pity me" or to be good. There is so much value in expressing weakness, vulnerability, and pain in the moment or the aftermath. Sometimes it didn't make you stronger. Victims should be respected just as much as survivors, they're just not as far into their healing yet. This book is total pity me poetry though. Too many read like tweets with aesthetic line breaks. I hope they helped her heal and feel good as she wrote them but that's not justification for a price tag or shield from criticism
My issue with her poems is that they are so short, they don’t tell you anything. It’s like “ok, you wished you would’ve kiss them harder, now what?” Why you wish that?, where did you leave? I think she could go through so many directions but she justs ends everything so abruptly.
I think she doesn’t go deep cause of her obsessive “fans” that will take ANYTHING she writes even if it wasn’t true, even if she SAID it wasn’t true, these people would look for hints of anything related to her personal life, especially w her co-star (now ex boyfriend) cole sprouse. So even IF she wanted to go deep I don’t think she would for that reason, just like a lot of singers who are trapped when they write their lyrics cause people will come with their Theories and think this is their real life. Idk or she just doesn’t know how write deep poems 😭😭 orrr she thinks people atomically think of her and her co-star so a hint would be deep enough for them because they like them. I’m so sorry I’m way overthinking this 😭😭
when oates read the first poem my immediate thought was, "that's a premise." like a sketch, in drawing. you may post a sketch but you don't call it the end piece, you say that it's a work in progress or just a fun doodle to loosen the muscles before ye move to the actual work. same with the poem. should've actually build an actual poem based off that ""poem"" instead of releasing it as the final piece.
my least favourite genre of poem is the "I can't express myself the way I want to" because it feels lazy and cliched in my opinion. But the Nick Cave song 'Rings of Saturn' has this line that kinda moves me. It's told as a series of attempts to describe his lover "like a black fly on the ceiling" and "blue as a jelly fish" but also contains the line "And I'm spurting ink over the sheets yet she remains completely unexplained." It's sort of obscene, I know, but the sentiment isn't "I don't have the skill to express how I love this person" it's "This person IS ineffable, but I'm still trying to describe them."
This reminds me of a line from the song "Candy" by Paolo Nutini. It goes "You know you've got plenty to offer baby, but I guess I've taken quite enough. while I'm some stain there on your bedsheet, you're my diamond in the rough." It's about a man who reveres a woman and loves her so deeply, that even if she doesn't feel as strongly as he does or her attention is fleeting sometimes, he feels like it's worth it just to be near her.
I like no-holds barred Rachel, these ‘poetry’ books just piss me off at this point too. I’m a super casual poetry writer so I don’t get insulted but do get frustrated by their set up for a poem and then delivering nothing. I want to buy these books and use their ideas to write ACTUAL poems from. Its like poetic blue balls lmao 😩
i dont even like poetry but same. i like that she is able to pinpoint the flaws (meaning if someone wanted to improve they would know exactly what to work on) and put into words something i might notice but not understand lol
Not a poet or anything, but i kinda extended that colors poem ... I want you in all the shades you come in All the reds, the fists, the fights All the blues, the tears, the cries All the blacks, all the whites All the darks, all the lights
because kyra is a genius??? obviously??? that sweet baby's iq is over 200, and they are a graduate of the school of fetch. they're currently finding the elusive answer to 'who's a good girl'? any poetry would look awful next to kyra's work 💕🐶
i feel like celebrity poetry isn't bad, simply because it's celebrity "poetry." they take a series of clichè topics and add in some fancy words or whatever and call it art when it's something that i (a sophomore in highschool) could do just as easily and maybe even a bit better. they try to be deep but they really only say a few lines that don't have deeper meaning then stuff like "my body was a canvas and you were the artist" LMAO. the sentiments, for the most part are sweet but way too overused and come off as cringe. imo someone has to possess a deep love for literature and a certain intellect to be able to write REAL poetry (as well as literature in general) and not many people have this gift, especially not celebrities. they need to stop being rupi khar copycats (keep in mind she is somewhat controversial but imo is what started this train of bad poetry) and stay in their own lane. edit ; i'm in NO WAY gatekeeping art and i miss-worded how it can be a gift. yes, people can be born with it, but people can also work hard to be successful with things like poetry as well.
While I agree with the sentiment, I just take a bit issue with saying real poetry. There is certainly bad poetry, but as someone who is working to be a better writer. I think we need to make room for bad poetry to be real poetry so beginning poets and writers, like myself, have that room to make messy, bad poetry and stories on order to grow and these can be used to grow which is why I enjoy these videos. Anyways I hope this makes sense and I appreciate your comment.
(Hi, I'm someone who was your age when I started writing poetry, and I've since been... moderately involved in the poetry world. Published, edited, no full collection of my own, I'm only in my early 20s, but yeah, I just wanted to add my thoughts because this comment REALLY made me feel like I was seeing 15-year-old me, lol) I don't really think of writing as anyone's "gift", because in my experience it just takes a hell of a lot of doing and failing to create your own style and actually understand the workings of literature, poetry, or any kind of art. A lot of these celebrities are actors or singers and they know this applies to their own craft. But "poetry" has this kind of pretension around it to people that it's either some highly unapproachable gift of the gods and poets must be geniuses (hell no), or now we also kind of see an opposite sentiment, that anyone can just do it if Rupi Kaur can write a sentence in lowercase with no punctuation and call it a poem. These celebrities feel comfortable with the barriers that the mainstreaming of micropoetry has broken down, and they're capitalizing on it for themselves to make it seem like they're all real well-rounded artists, visionaries, Renaissance men/women. Meanwhile they don't put in the effort to develop a talent, grow with practice and age, like they have with their acting or music. It's hacky and tacky. Of course, I find this even more infuriating when it's celebrities who can scoop up publishing deals on their name recognition without breaking a nail. At LEAST Rupi Kaur made that name for herself FROM HER POETRY, regardless of that poetry's quality. People who like her, like her FOR her poetry, whereas people who like Lili Reinhart, like the idea of Lili Reinhart expanding her brand. These celebrities also do nothing to support anyone but themselves in their poetic endeavors. There are plenty of poetry non-profits and small-time presses they could be working with and promoting to spread the art of poetry, to bring along a wave of poets with them in their success, but they're not so generous. They don't want to be apart of a literary movement. Again, it's self-promotion solely. But yeah, I really agree with you, with a few additional points of my own from time and experience. I don't think I can even entertain the notion of any of these celebrities being "poets" until they not just put forth a REAL effort in their "work", but also respectfully uplift the endangered medium that is poetry while they're trying to say they're publishing some of their own. It's the oldest form of literature and the smallest section at any bookstore. The more I go back to check, I always see more and more space taken up by actors and singers whose fans will pick out their fave's book and ignore everything else on the shelf.
I think no offence but that’s kind of rude she is a separate person to him her past relationship doesn’t define her she’s talking about love it’s not just to him it’s to people in her life the book is about her that is something she stands up for about feminism women should be able to talk about love without it just being about their relationships with men it’s about them individually she’s fallen in love with other people before she’s writing to her audience
the idea of a persons first time publishing their poetry, its a full book? its very strange. im sure lili was encouraged to put out this book, but i would have started with submitting a few poems for a magazine and see where that went, not go straight for a full compilation
Please read Halsey's poetry book you're the only person I can talk about poetry, even though is just in my imagination. Your videos inspired me to learn more about poetry and write my own, please!
My mama created me from mud. She put every piece of me together little by little, as if I was a vase, and she, my potter. She took a long time to make me, days, months, perhaps even years. I wouldn’t know, I was not conscious. But when she was finally done with me, she cradled me in her arms and said, ‘There, my love, you are done. You went through heat and you went through storms, only to emerge absolutely perfect and strong.’ I had never felt more comfortable, more strong. My papa painted me in blues, greens and reds and adorned me in flowers that grew by the river beds. Time and again I asked him why I was not decorated with jewels and painted in gold and silver like the other vases. He always laughed, planted a kiss on my little forehead and said, ‘My love, you are my treasure. No jewel or metal could replace your worth.’ I had never felt more appreciated. Time passed and you came, took my hands from my parents and said, ‘I shall hold your daughter as I hold a feather. Soft and light and never in a place where she might blow away.’ My parents hesitated. You assured them you were an artist and knew the value of art; you promised that you would never tear me apart. In that moment, I felt that your love could rival that of my parents’. I was happy. I felt light. I felt as free as a feather in flight. You caressed me with love and praised my mother’s sight. You traced over my father’s painting and when you finished, I felt fine. Your love was different from the one I had known, but I still knew that you loved me all along. Months flew by in a second and your language changed. It became different. You said to me the things my parents did, but it didn’t fell the same. You looked at other vases, all twinkling and bright and you compared me to them, every time I was in your sight. When I felt down, you would always say, ‘You are my treasure, my darling, but you would be better if you had gold in your veins.’ For days and months I refused as I knew what it entailed. I refused until I caught you with a jeweled vase in our bed. You didn’t hold me gently, I fell. I shattered and dissolved in a million little pieces. You searched for them all and you begged me to forgive you. You said, ‘I’m sorry but it wasn’t my fault that happened. I would’ve still loved you if you had let me put gold in your veins.’ I was very much in love with you so I agreed. You carefully placed me on a tray and pieced me. You spent hours and hours painting me in gold. You even went a step further and coated me in jewels. After a long time you were done. I was patched to seem as new as the day I was born. You looked content and you looked happy. You said you loved how I looked. You even said you loved me, and I hadn’t heard that in a few moons. You took me to the mirror and asked what I thought. You looked so ecstatic so I couldn’t tell the truth, but I much prefer the blues and greens and reds my father painted me in rather than how you made me look. _So, I’m late (life, you know) but I watched the video and when you said the part about that broken poem kind of reminded you of the movie (that I haven’t watched) and the vase analogy there, it kind of ignited an idea. I planned to write a poem, but I don’t know the P on Poem (I’m trying to learn more, but again, life). So, I tried to write a short-story-ish story as I’m a tad bit better at that than at poems. The problem was that I was still half-stuck on rhyme mode so I don’t know how this turned out. As always, constructive criticism is welcome._
Rachel went from a kind soul who just wanted some poetry to a frustrated UA-cam Poetry teacher who just want publishers to realize that a simple phrase with the format of a poem ain't a poem.
I just wanna say I love how your dog is just meandering in and out of the shot! And how you interact with her while you're filming, and don't apologize for her presence or anything. It always makes me a little sad when youtubers act annoyed by their pets 'messing with their filming'. For one, ik for myself and a lot of people, just seeing an animal at any given times instantly makes me happy lol, but also your dog lives in your place too! And she shouldn't be punished for wanting to be next to you, filming or not. Anyway, just something I admire whenever I watch your videos, great review as always!!!
@@-topic9506 yes that is the name! it's such an amazing book honestly, i am not that interested in poetry but i read it for her and it was beautiful :)))
can i just say, completely unironically and genuinely, im glad you dont edit out your little moments with kira, even when she's making dog sounds. they make me very happy
Celebrities publishing half-arsed tweets for a quick cash grab...while there are poets out there, like myself, who are serious about the craft. I don't want to sound melodramatic but this form of poetry is putting a sour taste on the artform :((
As a writer of currently only fiction manuscripts, I feel the same. I’ve tried poetry and sometimes one line I write I’m proud of, but poetry is so hard to write for me compared to manuscripts.
@@jamesfv1 That's completely understandable. I think its important to note that poetry can be a form of therapy (that's how it started for me in a way) and I'm absolutely open to that, but when people start to publish that poetry then i have a problem 🤣 cos even though its relatable and 'comes from the heart' doesn't mean its good
a great celebrity poetry book is 'I Would Leave Me If I Could." By Halsey. It's not similar to the instagram/Tumblr poetry, I think you'd find it really refreshing and a good read
Yes !! Halsey has always been a poetry writer, most of her songs (especially on manic) are actually poems !! You can tell the difference between a celebrity who has a real love and passion for the art and one who follows some edgy Instagram accounts and tries to make a deadline. Halsey has been preparing for her book her entire life, gabbi, lili etc started when they got a book deal, that’s very clear I think.
I know it's hard to avoid falling into the views-trap of only reviewing bad poetry but I would love to see you do reviews or something of your absolute favourite books or do reviews of established poets who we can reasonably expect to be good. Because it can totally be exhausting to wade through people ruining your favourite medium or just generally being subpar. I don't think anyone would begrudge you doing something that makes you happy more often
I’m starting to think most people write simplified poetry books is because they know they sell, not because they’re passionate about the work that they write. At this point it’s getting exhausting and I’m extremely bored of it.
since she's an actor and very well known, she has more of an audience out there for her book. unfortunately for those who have little followers or a knowing in the category of 'popularity' their books are not given much praise towards. it's truly disappointing to those who understand and put their heart and soul into their craft.
In that poem where Armatage talked about jellies and tubes and the heart. To me it was so much deeper than just being an organ donor. For me it was clearly about depression, about feeling like you aren't connected to your body anymore and people can keep using you if they want to, you aren't that important anyway, but he'd like them to stop making his heart hurt so much. This really hits when he says "where it stops or hangs" perhaps he meant hanging literally rather than just figuratively
If you want to suffer a bit more, I just read all I could of this web ‘novel’ called The Forgotten Princess. The grammar is horrible, the world building uninteresting and convoluted, and the relationships toxic. With mine own eyes, I had to read the sentence, “’Neigh,’ the horse said.” It’s not poetry, but it’s a pretty funny day read and I’d love to hear your thoughts on it :)
So I'm reading it bc of this comment and.......my god it's atrocious. And the comments are even worse 😭 they're all like omg this is So GOoD. It makes me so frustrated as an aspiring writer. And it came 1st in the contest it was written in?????? Bye-
to be fair a lot of those stuff are written by teenage kids who probably just recently explored the world of storytelling. like am all about clowning on stuff like _After_ but mostly bc the author is an adult. when it comes to (potentially) kids, well ... that could be bullying.
Little Somebody That’s completely true :/ I’ll try to evaluate my comments before posting in the future. I know I would feel crappy if I posted a passion project only to get bashed online. If the author sees this by any small chance- I’m sorry for my hateful words and keep writing the things that make you happy
as an artist i'm so glad you called out poorly traced line drawings 😭😭 they're my least favorite thing about digital art because so many people are uneducated about digital art and think people freehand it all and they get so much credit online
I feel like all these poetry books try to emulate Shel Silverstein and his iconic illustrations and clever poems, but they all fall so short of that because they are lazy and unoriginal.
Can you please review Halsey’s poetry book? I am a huge fan of her music but I don’t want to buy her book unless I have a full confidence in it’s quality. Love your videos!
I really like her book, but I was confident in her writing due to other spoken word pieces she has done, and her songwriting. I actually like it more than Lana's book and I was very surprised about that
Wondering if you’ve read any of savannah brown’s work? She recently released her newest poetry book called Sweetdark which I think is lovely, but I’d love to hear your thoughts on it :)
As someone who fancies myself a decent writer, I gotta say, the criticism you offer in these videos is insanely on point and valuable. The comparisons to other works that share similarities but are better written are wonderful.
“You have to have a real understanding of poetic technique in order to break and subvert them well and in a good effective way.” YES this is exactly what I’ve thought before with poetry! You cannot afford to do it “badly” or unconventionally if you can’t do it well conventionally!
For the bedsheets poem- perhaps by damp she meant sweat from certain activities? She could have said "sweat-damp" or something Even then it doesn't sound very comfortable and still isn't great but like at least it would make sense lmao
I thought it was just another way to imply they'd just been washed - you know how duvets are really thick and usually don't dry all the way in the dryer like sheets do? in any case, it's a poem that says pretty much nothing lol
i think it’s really cool that we can see certain poets and authors grow and develop their writing style throughout the works they publish. like you said, i really think lili has a lot of potential for the future if she decides to keep writing.
I would like to argue the “Lilli’s fans are younger people who want simple poetry to read” critique of the video... I speak only for myself, but as a young reader (I’m 15), I love books that don’t talk down to me. It’s possible to write good literature, and by extent, poetry for young people. They have the capacity to understand and enjoy good writing. I think her poetry is really disappointing, it’s all the same words rearranged to seem deep.
Poetry is poetry. It's not supposed to be easy to understand. Rupi Kaur started the trend of writing simple half assed crap so that people could read it and think themselves intellectuals because they read poEtRy and I will forever hate her for ruining poetry, and contemporary poetry as a whole
I honestly think as 14 year old AND a lili fan that I was too blindsided by how much I liked her as a person, as an actress, that the word “bad” wasn’t something I thought of when I think of lili. I’m really happy I saw this video really showed me how bad most of them are 😭
@@lamar9165 i love lili too and was i aware of how her relationship with cole gradually sparked. i found the book really shallow than expected but it gave me an insight of her relationship with him during and AFTER. i'm glad they broke up. and the book wasn't deeper than what i expected to hear from her.
@@haruhi2815 totally, I think we did get insight on a part of her relationship but we don’t know which of these poems were actually based on her relationship w him and what wasn’t so it’s a problem to tie down every poem she had about love to a single person (Cole) when some of them are not even about him. also just curious why are you glad they broke up ?
@@lamar9165 as i was reading the poems which i just kinda figured was about him cause who else right? there were poems about lili loving him too much but cole being cole he just probably have problems in accepting love what lili is giving to him, and idk i also kind of catch up with other "girl" scene. idk if he was cheating with her. but maybe that poem wasnt really based on experience, but idk. i've read lili's poems that were posted on tumblr, and i never saw someone write poems just for one person and i just think it's was cole she's writing to about. (ofc not all, most of them though) remember when she made a poem ig post on his bday but its deleted now. i just made a conclusion through the poems that she loved him more than he did that's why it didn't work out. good for lili.
I feel like that "it helped me to write it, therefore it has value/is worthy of you spending money/or will help you" is a big slap in the face to poetry that has actually given people a voice and hope during times of great oppression and political turmoil. I'm thinking of Azaleas by Kim Sowol and how dangerous it was during the Japanese occupation of Korea to write poetry in the native language and the wide variety of poetry that has come out the Israel-Palestine conflict. Not trying to invalidate anyone's depression or anyone who felt Lili's/Gabbie's poetry actually helped them, but both just seem to have an over-inflated sense of self-importance at the core of their writing.
Such a shame. I love Lili- she’s a talented actress (even in riverdale with terrible writing she manages to act well. And she was great in Hustlers) and I really like her as a person, how she’s open about mental health and beauty standard etc. So I was really hoping swimming lessons would be good :(
I mean I don't have anything against her doing amateur poetry, but I did think that it was particularly silly to write a whole book of amateur poetry to sell... Pretty much the only reason that she was able to do that was because she was already famous and had people around her kissing her butt and saying that everything she does is brilliant
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omg rachel you should review orion carlotos poetry! i know she is more experienced in literature than most of the “instapoets” you review so that could make a more interesting video for you too film :)
It just kinda makes me feel like these people are disrespecting poetry as a whole 😂 like it’s obvious these people don’t read poetry and don’t love it. It’s just upsetting bc I feel like poetry is one of the best things humans ever did a and it’s something that stretches back to ancient Sumer and these people just sh!t on it by throwing together random sentences and crappy doodles and make so much money
Gave a quick go at expanding the "poem" about the shades. Still very bad, and underdeveloped, but it was so much wasted potential it hurts. I loved you for every colour you were The pale pink of your cheeks, as you kissed me for the first time and The yellow of the flower you poked behind my ear, wet with raindrops and dew The green that we grew, through the mud, The beige of that old sofa, you pushed through the creaky door way of our new house, when it was first new, and not old. For these were, and still are, the colours of love. Not only those, but, I will love you in every colour The hot red of your anger, burning beneath your eyes The blues of your soul, hollowed out from your chest, to give to me and The purple of the first bruise upon a cheek, the busted lip from a mouth that had hurt me with mere words, for even these, are the colours of love. Not only those, but I will love you in every shade The bright milky whites of your good days, sun shining on our bed sheets, and the way you take your coffee, I know and The greys, oh, the greys, in your eyes, it is the shade with which I compare everything else, as you, are balance. Most of all, I will love you, you, all mixed up, and messy, but smiling anyway, because you, and everything you are is the colour of love.
omg, this is really good! i’m replying to bump this lol. you clearly spent at least a bit of time, even if it was just an hour or so. do you have a favourite poem?
@@muffin_the_metalhead3488 thank you :) some time, I think, but not an hour. I'm unsure. Stupidly, I'm a bit of a pantser, which isn't a term I've heard someone use when it comes to poetry. I should probably stop😂
I’m a creative writing student, and I’m so glad you’re ripping into these celeb poems. It’s frustrating watching my peers write fantastic and original poetry and never have a chance to be published, meanwhile these celebs write a few unpublished tweets and gain praise.
As an English lit major, these videos hurt. There's no literary/poetic merit to these "poems" whatsoever. It's just shower thoughts with randomly assigned line breaks... There's no substance.. And these get published and sold...
It's your videos dissecting bad poetry and why it doesn't work that is the best inspiration for me to keep writing my poetry. I don't know what it is, but something about hearing someone else who loves poetry talk about what works and what doesn't gives me so many ideas I want to go down, phrases just pour out of me. I'm sorry that you've been getting more and more frustrated by all the bad poetry you've endured for us, but to me at least, it's greatly appreciated.
THank you for all the work you put in, to not only make the video(s) but to actually dissect the books and have them essentially take over your life for a period of time. Seriously, we value the off camera work just as much as the on camera.
Yea I’ve also seen people here wonder if it’s talking about her crying, but even if there was more to it, it needed much more exploration. It’s the one time she didn’t over explain every detail, she needs to find somewhere in between, if the the short poems had much more to them and the the longer ones began to “show not tell”. It’s so frustrating that she can’t quite get that in between.
you give off the vibes of "exhausted middle school English teacher who cannot believe that her students still use the incorrect there/their/they're". hope u feel better
last week my english teacher spent 30 minutes of class having us do an assignment on there/their/they’re because she was fed up with people still using the wrong ones. she is also my favorite teacher :)
I have never seen people actually make that mistake irl; just on the internet. Same for your/you're. Maybe I'm reaching, but it seems to be a Western thing.
@@user-rr2ep3gt5p a lot of my classmates and schoolmates in general make that mistake so it's not just a western thing lol, and, not to be a boomer, but i think it comes with not reading a lot in general
@@biseragjurovska1998 I’m 33 and live in north east US, my coworkers and some friends/family make this mistake alllll the damn time. It’s so frustrating, I blame the school systems. Have known several teachers with poor grammar. I definitely agree with you that it seems like a bu product of less reading.
THESE ARE THE VIBES
It’s a bit irritating that people with built-in followings get to publish poetry while talented people never get their shot.
Extremely irritating
Absolutely
I absolutely abhor it
@S Meza She may be a talented actress, but you can't deny she wasn't given a following for the book. I published my own book, rarely get over 25 copies sold. She publishes, and her followers buy it because they like her, even if they don't like poetry. She didn't build a following on writing yk? Idk how to explain
@S Meza She’s an actress, not a poet. She didn’t work to be noticed as a published poet.
Still better than the writing at riverdale
💀💀
The very hungry caterpillar is better writing than river dale
That's not hard to accomplish, though.
😂😂
the epic highs and lows of high school football
at this point i'm waiting for noah centineo to publish his poetry book that will consist solely of his tweets with newly added spacing between words
That would be so funny💀💀
Oh my god i can actually see him writing a book
I would buy that purely for the novelty
It matters not what youve done, but what you do with what youve done...for others
lets
fight your
demons
with mine
It irks me so much when amateurs poets reject criticism because the poem meant something to them. They know they don’t have to publish everything they write, right? Imagine if a bakery had to sell every sweet treat they baked, even the burnt, undone, and nasty tasting ones.
Great example!
That is a *very* good comparison 🤔
Yes
she actually got pissed when someone said something along the lines of "you are not a poet why are you writing this its really bad" and as usual she went on twitter and cried about it like a 12 year old and was like you will get your karma bc you are miserable and pathetic like? what the hell. she is the most annoying "celeb" i have seen. like she can't stand when ppl have an opinion and all she does is whine and go after ppl for no reason lmfao. and tbh she is actually a bad actress but no one is ready for that convo
@@hiiambored3304 umm when did that happen ?
I found out recently that Bella Thorne has a poetry book too...you know what to do
....
omg.
wat
Oh, for the love God! 🙄
@@RachelOates please!!
"Poorly traced photos don't suddenly become artist because every fourth one is a naked women "💀💀😂
I don't know much about poetry but im an ilustrator and i can't help but eyeroll at this kind of "illustrations" Doodles, they are poorly and unoriginal doodles.
artistic* sorry i had to say it
She actually hired a tattoo artist (who is known for doing tattoos in this style) to do the illustrations for this book, his name is Curt Montgomery.
I literally spit out my coffee when she said that 🤣
6:50
It's funny how modern instapoets/celebrities are all doing the same thing: minimalist 'poems' and drawings about heartbreak and depression all presented in the exact same format and style. No room for individuality and experimentation whatsoever. (sorry I haven't finished the video yet so you may have already mentioned it, but I needed to get it off my chest) :P
It's a new day you right time for change in delivery styles etc.
It’s the same for music as well, everyone’s trying to do the same thing and this leaves no room for creativity or individuality to thrive.
@@raptalkpoetry your sentence makes 0 sense.
@@annies6566 “It’s a new day. You right. Time for change in delivery, styles, etc.”
This is the problem, as a poet myself I noticed on Instagram that those pages you mention are literally the only ones that get out there and that people enjoy
I feel like the difference between Lili's book and Gabbie's books is that Lili tried to write a good poetry book. She likes poetry and wanted to write a good poetry collection, but, because she is a celebrity, publishers just want to get the book published. So she doesn't get proper editing or mentoring, and she may not have been given the proper time to complete a book. I think she came into it full and good intentions but got sold out by the publisher.
Where as a normal person who took this to a publisher would have been told no and gone home to improve their work, Lili's publisher took it immediately because they saw a money maker.
Couldn’t agree more! And I genuinely feel like Lili will want to improve and get better and that we’ll see great things from her writing in a few years! :)
I just want to understand how people who write “Instagram poetry” decide where to place their random line breaks
It's easy
Like me
After I've drank
Too much
Vodka.
EDIT: Far out, I'm blown away by how amazing and incredibly deep my poem is
They just close their eyes and press the enter key
Princess Sheogorath
That was
So beautiful,
Like a butterfly
Trapped
In
A
Jar
@@joroz9808 the butterfly
Trapped
Is a snapshot
Of a memory
That flutters by
and gets caught
In
A
Web
@@justcallmesatan and the butterfly
Fluttering through the air
A flash of colour in a beam of sunshine
Dies
I feel like a lot of these celebrity poetry books have pretty good titles and then the execution is...lacking. Like, oh 'Swimming Lessons' and learning to do something for the first time and the idea of treading water and the controlled environment of a pool compared to the wild untamed ocean or the vastness of a lake--that all checks out and then it just doesn't pan out the way it could have.
When the imagery in this comment is better than the actual book 😂
YES Swim Lessons is such a good title and it’s just wasted
Maybe its a metaphor for how excited you are to start swimming lessons then you realize it’s not all it’s cracked up to be and kinda just sucks, so you stop after two lessons, just like the poetry in the book
I've always thought the same thing. I was very intrigued when I heard about 'Swimming Lessons', simply because of the title.
@@saraashkir5793 LOL
Everybody seems to be copying Rupi Kaur's style of poetry with the minimalistic drawings. They're NOT pulling it off well.
Neither did rupi :/
and the peak of that trend was, what, in 2015?? like give it a rest
rupi’s poetry style with minimalistic art killed poetry and i’m forever mad at her about it
@@lamb2004 yess ma'am
@@lamb2004 i know this is the most random thing ever but what is a good poetry book? not this generic shit? something easy and inspirational to read? ps: i'm not a native english speaker.
i hate that there's so many "bad" poetry books made by actors/actresses/people from other businesses trying to sound relatable and deep out there smh, makes poetry seem like just anyone can do it with no concept of what poetry actually is
True and that's the only reason Rachel is negative about them, because they're taking money from a audience they had from another platform. If they weren't charging their fans, I'm sure Rachel would have a very nice constructively positive discussion about their development as a poet
I feel like they are using the art form so they can add “poet” to the list of credentials and get a louder applause. But then again I don’t want to say there aren’t well known people out there who truly do find an interest in it and are searching for something that makes them feel more like an artist.
Soon they will be the reason why poetry will die out. And thats sad and infuriating because it ruins the path for other good and real poems and poets out there.
this is so irrelevant but i had no idea monster energy was that color why did i think it was green
Ya, I'm in shock and need to rethink my whole life
@SunBoxesSky Alois I mean, how tha f#@k do I go on,,,, life's a struggle but that color was just to much.
Depends on which one, there is a green one too, I think it has all the colors of the rainbow with their selection. But it does look weirdly red in this lighting, I thought the original was a lighter yellow tbh.
That blew my mind too.
Monster can be all colors ... it just depends on the type
The reader is left to speculate as to why the duvet is damp. I don’t like the places this takes me.
Sounds like a goodreads review 😂
I actualy think that is the only image I get from this book xD I imagine she implies they had sex, and were so impatient about it that they didn't even get into the bed (so you have the clean sheets but the damp duvet from their sweat -I hope); however when they finished, while she was left there to contemplate of what happened, he went on with housework and videogames, as if the time together was a chore or some past-time...
...Guys, am I reading too much into Instagram-style poetry? Send help
Watching Rachel roast bad poetry has improved my creative writing
SAME
LMAOOOO ME TOO
oh definitely
same
Hey, I’ve never really read books, just starting and I really like poems...I wrote something, can you/anyone tell me if it’s any good/bad, I’ll appreciate it so much :')
I mean at least enjoy it so that’s nice lol
She is a scattered head
And she totes it all around town
Wherever she goes.
In the left field,
Yet friends find her interesting.
She’s got some kind of luminescence
She can’t figure out,
Something’s not letting her be:
A whistling in her ear,
Marbles clicking when she turns her head,
On rooftops she lays upside down,
But she holds on
The thought of tricking the focus.
Verdict:
Determination,
Coming back to person.
In the process of totality greater than,
She cut her hair and it’s slightly blue,
She even hung a star.
A star hanging from above her ceiling
Reminds her to endeavor,
Overbear
Oblivious anima.
Creating
Even if she’s a scattered head
She’s yet to be
In the beginning
We coexisted together for a decade remember?
Without saying a word
Who knows, we might have met before
And now we coexist together again
Without saying a word
I don’t say anything, because I feel like we’ll cross existence again
And if we coexist together for decades
Without saying anything
Remember?
We existed
When you said lets not have poems that romanticize smoking I wanted to shout yes. Im so sick of people romanticizing smoking its not cute.
Even tho im an avid smoker, i genuinely agree with this. Its a habit thats nearly impossible to kick
It most likely isn’t pleasant when you go in for a kiss and OH HOLY PIANO, does their breath REEK. If you’re unlucky they’re also an indoor smoker so their vehicle and/or place of residence stinks too. Secondhand smoke is also dangerous.
@@GoroAkechi_Real I have parents who smoke I know
@@GoroAkechi_Real kind of odd to think that the romanticization of smoking started WAAAAAY WAY back, when cigarettes were much stronger. These days we have different flavors and such, frankly some are tasty. But I can't imagine making out with someone when they smoked something ten times stronger than modern marlboro reds. Must've tasted like death
As someone who was a chain smoker once, it's extremely unhealthy to see them propagate this.
I'm 5 months free. :)
I feel like anyone can make up one of these in seconds, you just describe a literal situation and connect it to a cheap metaphor, easy
"you step to avoid cracks on the sidewalk... when will you avoid stepping on the cracks... in my heart"
Why did that make me laugh 🤣.... but yes , your point is absolutely right.
this is brilliant 🤣
"I once found you reading my immortal... like the author, you construct an infinite system of taras and tobys, to hide your true self."
@@menatabeshfar3684 omg 😲... this is actually kinda good .... but what is taras and tobies ?
Facts. You hit the nail right on the head. Or whatever the saying is.
rachel pouring a can of monster into a fancy glass cup whilst talking about young love and womanhood is my perfect start to 2021
should have been:
I want you
in every shade you come in;
The bright orange sunlight
washing over my face as I open my eyes
The neon green
of a toxic obsession you can't let go of
The infinite blue
of your deepest, darkest oceans
The rosy hue
of my cheeks as you kiss me
The dark crimson
of the blood on your knife of a tongue
The amber brown
of your comforting eyes
The powdery white
of a persistent, overbearing addiction
And the lightless black
of being devoured whole
by your love
by your anger
by all of you.
Beautiful
Oh my wow again
How do you all find the right words
I don't comment very often but that is gorgeous
wow
this is so beautiful
A few days ago I found these random lines. Idk who wrote them, idk if they're part of a bigger poem, but,
"A relit cigarette never tastes the same
And that's all I'll say about rekindling old flames."
There is literally more depth in that than in Lily's poem. Same theme, roughly the same word count, but those lines are just so much more interesting, right?
I dont know why but I love that
See? That's decent because I can pull an idea:
It's about the fact that rekindling an old relationship will never feel as good as it did before, even if you really want it to.
Most people understood that, duh, but it's not just a dumb metaphor, it's got a message.
@@abbywolffe4114 also the half-rhyme and the meter make it a lot more pleasing to read
also, may i add that the use of cigarette connotes that the relationship was toxic and addictive, and maybe that’s why the author doesn’t want to speak on it/remember it. 2 lines more interesting than anything in lilis whole book
Yes! I also think of Margaret Atwood’s poem:
“you fit into me
like a hook into an eye
a fish hook
an open eye”
It’s extremely short but there’s so much to unpack. An open eye sounds so vulnerable.
“This really sets the tone of the book. I mean the tone of, ‘I can’t write’” 💀 savage Rachel is the best
She is so disrespectful and passive agressive
@@joaopaulo1802 honey, this is the real world. You can't be a world-class actress and expect to be great at everything else as well. As an aspiring editor, you are NOT going to survive in this world if you can't take and handle constructive criticism and call it "disrespectful" at that. I love Lili Reinhart. As an actress. Although I love her, I can still come to terms with the fact that her poetry isn't it.
@@peyton7290 i mean this shit is not constructive criticism
@@joaopaulo1802 she literally is offering constructive criticism. She’s pointing out the issues she sees in the poems, offering examples of where it’s done better.
@@joaopaulo1802 did you even watch the video lol
Wanted to note there's also a difference between "pity me" and victim poetry. Not every expression of trauma, heartbreak, and whatnot needs to come across as empowering to avoid coming across as "pity me" or to be good. There is so much value in expressing weakness, vulnerability, and pain in the moment or the aftermath. Sometimes it didn't make you stronger. Victims should be respected just as much as survivors, they're just not as far into their healing yet.
This book is total pity me poetry though. Too many read like tweets with aesthetic line breaks. I hope they helped her heal and feel good as she wrote them but that's not justification for a price tag or shield from criticism
How
“Damp duvet”
Did-
Did he wet the bed?
NOOOOO LMAO
Rederrrrerrrrrrrrrerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
THIS IS SO FUNNY
My issue with her poems is that they are so short, they don’t tell you anything. It’s like “ok, you wished you would’ve kiss them harder, now what?” Why you wish that?, where did you leave?
I think she could go through so many directions but she justs ends everything so abruptly.
exactly. like how do i understand the emotions i'm supposed to feel if there's no substance to even work with.
She prob thinks that’s deeper, like she’s leaving them hanging 🥴
I think she doesn’t go deep cause of her obsessive “fans” that will take ANYTHING she writes even if it wasn’t true, even if she SAID it wasn’t true, these people would look for hints of anything related to her personal life, especially w her co-star (now ex boyfriend) cole sprouse. So even IF she wanted to go deep I don’t think she would for that reason, just like a lot of singers who are trapped when they write their lyrics cause people will come with their Theories and think this is their real life. Idk or she just doesn’t know how write deep poems 😭😭 orrr she thinks people atomically think of her and her co-star so a hint would be deep enough for them because they like them. I’m so sorry I’m way overthinking this 😭😭
@@lamar9165 SO TRUE !!!
when oates read the first poem my immediate thought was, "that's a premise." like a sketch, in drawing. you may post a sketch but you don't call it the end piece, you say that it's a work in progress or just a fun doodle to loosen the muscles before ye move to the actual work. same with the poem. should've actually build an actual poem based off that ""poem"" instead of releasing it as the final piece.
my least favourite genre of poem is the "I can't express myself the way I want to" because it feels lazy and cliched in my opinion. But the Nick Cave song 'Rings of Saturn' has this line that kinda moves me. It's told as a series of attempts to describe his lover "like a black fly on the ceiling" and "blue as a jelly fish" but also contains the line "And I'm spurting ink over the sheets yet she remains completely unexplained."
It's sort of obscene, I know, but the sentiment isn't "I don't have the skill to express how I love this person" it's "This person IS ineffable, but I'm still trying to describe them."
Nick Cave. THE POET. ily 💖
I didn't know about this song or artist at all. Thank you for the discovery!! It's really good!
@@agstinacueva1673 cave gang 💖
@@audreythibeault3725 oh Nick cave’s music is incredible if you don’t mind dark themes, murder ballads is maybe my favourite album of the 90s
This reminds me of a line from the song "Candy" by Paolo Nutini.
It goes "You know you've got plenty to offer baby, but I guess I've taken quite enough. while I'm some stain there on your bedsheet, you're my diamond in the rough." It's about a man who reveres a woman and loves her so deeply, that even if she doesn't feel as strongly as he does or her attention is fleeting sometimes, he feels like it's worth it just to be near her.
I like no-holds barred Rachel, these ‘poetry’ books just piss me off at this point too. I’m a super casual poetry writer so I don’t get insulted but do get frustrated by their set up for a poem and then delivering nothing. I want to buy these books and use their ideas to write ACTUAL poems from. Its like poetic blue balls lmao 😩
not poetic blue balls😩🥵🤤🤭
"Please pay money to read what I should have told my therapist"
☠☠☠☠
Within the barren wasteland,
Among the thorns and brambles,
One finds a pot of gold,
The jewels of Rachel's rambles.
This is beautiful
And here i thought my poems were bad.
Reinhart should really learn a little from Ron Weasley.
@@TheseUseless explain.
@@naveenakhedar "Sunshine, Daisies, Buttermellow -
Turn this stupid fat rat yellow"-Ron Weasley.
@@TheseUseless that's a spell though 😂😂😂
@@agstinacueva1673 Poetry can serve multiple uses. Its a spell, but its poetry none-the-less
Yes, I love listening to you critique poetry for almost an hour whilst drinking two gallons of tea. Thank you and your adorable dog 🐶 🙏💕
i dont even like poetry but same. i like that she is able to pinpoint the flaws (meaning if someone wanted to improve they would know exactly what to work on) and put into words something i might notice but not understand lol
I’m doing the same thing. 😆
Unrelated, but Taylor Swift should write a poetry book. Her recent albums are proof enough that she would be amazing at it.
So true. I feel like her songs are partly poetry already. The storytelling and the frame o the songs have such a great concept.
Her songs are poetry
She has written some! They're lovely. Look up "if you're anything like me."
So many of her songs already feel like poetry
YES!!!
This book said "go girl give us nothing"
Not a poet or anything, but i kinda extended that colors poem ...
I want you in all the shades you come in
All the reds, the fists, the fights
All the blues, the tears, the cries
All the blacks, all the whites
All the darks, all the lights
This is really good
This is incredible
Thank you 😅
yess
That’s really good
why is kyra’s poem better than all the poems you’ve analyzed combined? 🥴
because kyra is a genius??? obviously???
that sweet baby's iq is over 200, and they are a graduate of the school of fetch. they're currently finding the elusive answer to 'who's a good girl'?
any poetry would look awful next to kyra's work 💕🐶
(with a french accent) becauze she's a true artiste !
Right? I was shocked when Rachel started reading it, I should buy the book lol
who's that if you dont mind me asking
@@kittynanami dog !!
All jokes aside, these celebrity poets would do really great on wattpad.
OMFG THIS IS AACTUALLY FUNNY
i feel like celebrity poetry isn't bad, simply because it's celebrity "poetry." they take a series of clichè topics and add in some fancy words or whatever and call it art when it's something that i (a sophomore in highschool) could do just as easily and maybe even a bit better. they try to be deep but they really only say a few lines that don't have deeper meaning then stuff like "my body was a canvas and you were the artist" LMAO. the sentiments, for the most part are sweet but way too overused and come off as cringe. imo someone has to possess a deep love for literature and a certain intellect to be able to write REAL poetry (as well as literature in general) and not many people have this gift, especially not celebrities. they need to stop being rupi khar copycats (keep in mind she is somewhat controversial but imo is what started this train of bad poetry) and stay in their own lane.
edit ; i'm in NO WAY gatekeeping art and i miss-worded how it can be a gift. yes, people can be born with it, but people can also work hard to be successful with things like poetry as well.
Legitimately, I wrote better poetry in high school English class.
I'm a celebrity and this is deep
While I agree with the sentiment, I just take a bit issue with saying real poetry. There is certainly bad poetry, but as someone who is working to be a better writer. I think we need to make room for bad poetry to be real poetry so beginning poets and writers, like myself, have that room to make messy, bad poetry and stories on order to grow and these can be used to grow which is why I enjoy these videos. Anyways I hope this makes sense and I appreciate your comment.
its true because i used to write poetry like that and i thought i was so deep lol...
(Hi, I'm someone who was your age when I started writing poetry, and I've since been... moderately involved in the poetry world. Published, edited, no full collection of my own, I'm only in my early 20s, but yeah, I just wanted to add my thoughts because this comment REALLY made me feel like I was seeing 15-year-old me, lol)
I don't really think of writing as anyone's "gift", because in my experience it just takes a hell of a lot of doing and failing to create your own style and actually understand the workings of literature, poetry, or any kind of art. A lot of these celebrities are actors or singers and they know this applies to their own craft. But "poetry" has this kind of pretension around it to people that it's either some highly unapproachable gift of the gods and poets must be geniuses (hell no), or now we also kind of see an opposite sentiment, that anyone can just do it if Rupi Kaur can write a sentence in lowercase with no punctuation and call it a poem. These celebrities feel comfortable with the barriers that the mainstreaming of micropoetry has broken down, and they're capitalizing on it for themselves to make it seem like they're all real well-rounded artists, visionaries, Renaissance men/women. Meanwhile they don't put in the effort to develop a talent, grow with practice and age, like they have with their acting or music. It's hacky and tacky.
Of course, I find this even more infuriating when it's celebrities who can scoop up publishing deals on their name recognition without breaking a nail. At LEAST Rupi Kaur made that name for herself FROM HER POETRY, regardless of that poetry's quality. People who like her, like her FOR her poetry, whereas people who like Lili Reinhart, like the idea of Lili Reinhart expanding her brand. These celebrities also do nothing to support anyone but themselves in their poetic endeavors. There are plenty of poetry non-profits and small-time presses they could be working with and promoting to spread the art of poetry, to bring along a wave of poets with them in their success, but they're not so generous. They don't want to be apart of a literary movement. Again, it's self-promotion solely.
But yeah, I really agree with you, with a few additional points of my own from time and experience. I don't think I can even entertain the notion of any of these celebrities being "poets" until they not just put forth a REAL effort in their "work", but also respectfully uplift the endangered medium that is poetry while they're trying to say they're publishing some of their own. It's the oldest form of literature and the smallest section at any bookstore. The more I go back to check, I always see more and more space taken up by actors and singers whose fans will pick out their fave's book and ignore everything else on the shelf.
Rachel, pouring monster energy into a wine glass: let’s analyze some shitty poetry, shall we?
It feels like she's writing to Cole rather than writing to her audience imo
that why i bought it so i can know the deets
I think no offence but that’s kind of rude she is a separate person to him her past relationship doesn’t define her she’s talking about love it’s not just to him it’s to people in her life the book is about her that is something she stands up for about feminism women should be able to talk about love without it just being about their relationships with men it’s about them individually she’s fallen in love with other people before she’s writing to her audience
she’s writing her feelings is that a problem
@@zoeisis literally
@@zoeisis yeah cause they aren’t good
11:16 is Kyra bear just... staring at a wall? Because mood.
The damp bedsheets thing made me feel so gross just imagining it ew haha
the idea of a persons first time publishing their poetry, its a full book? its very strange. im sure lili was encouraged to put out this book, but i would have started with submitting a few poems for a magazine and see where that went, not go straight for a full compilation
She's not accepting criticism very well, either: calling her critics "assholes", telling them to "piss off", etc.
She did the same about riverdale lol
"She has an anxious attachment style so...samesies!" I'm dying
Please read Halsey's poetry book you're the only person I can talk about poetry, even though is just in my imagination. Your videos inspired me to learn more about poetry and write my own, please!
i share this! please
I haven't read it but I HOPE it's better than these because at least Halsey has experience with songwriting and they're similar forms? but idk
@@amiliar2656 tbh I doubt it, her songwriting isn’t even good
Is it really bad?
I want this too! Ive heard her do spoken word that was lovely so perhaps itll give Rachel and but of a break from the drivel
Is it just me or is there a growing amount of influencers/celebrities that decide they are a poet now? WhY?
Money.
Cause why not
The only good thing about these celebrity poetry books is that they remind me that my writing is NOT that bad
I guess ur writing dosent match your face the n
My mama created me from mud. She put every piece of me together little by little, as if I was a vase, and she, my potter. She took a long time to make me, days, months, perhaps even years. I wouldn’t know, I was not conscious. But when she was finally done with me, she cradled me in her arms and said, ‘There, my love, you are done. You went through heat and you went through storms, only to emerge absolutely perfect and strong.’ I had never felt more comfortable, more strong.
My papa painted me in blues, greens and reds and adorned me in flowers that grew by the river beds. Time and again I asked him why I was not decorated with jewels and painted in gold and silver like the other vases. He always laughed, planted a kiss on my little forehead and said, ‘My love, you are my treasure. No jewel or metal could replace your worth.’ I had never felt more appreciated.
Time passed and you came, took my hands from my parents and said, ‘I shall hold your daughter as I hold a feather. Soft and light and never in a place where she might blow away.’ My parents hesitated. You assured them you were an artist and knew the value of art; you promised that you would never tear me apart. In that moment, I felt that your love could rival that of my parents’.
I was happy. I felt light. I felt as free as a feather in flight. You caressed me with love and praised my mother’s sight. You traced over my father’s painting and when you finished, I felt fine. Your love was different from the one I had known, but I still knew that you loved me all along.
Months flew by in a second and your language changed. It became different. You said to me the things my parents did, but it didn’t fell the same. You looked at other vases, all twinkling and bright and you compared me to them, every time I was in your sight. When I felt down, you would always say, ‘You are my treasure, my darling, but you would be better if you had gold in your veins.’
For days and months I refused as I knew what it entailed. I refused until I caught you with a jeweled vase in our bed. You didn’t hold me gently, I fell. I shattered and dissolved in a million little pieces. You searched for them all and you begged me to forgive you. You said, ‘I’m sorry but it wasn’t my fault that happened. I would’ve still loved you if you had let me put gold in your veins.’ I was very much in love with you so I agreed. You carefully placed me on a tray and pieced me.
You spent hours and hours painting me in gold. You even went a step further and coated me in jewels. After a long time you were done. I was patched to seem as new as the day I was born. You looked content and you looked happy. You said you loved how I looked. You even said you loved me, and I hadn’t heard that in a few moons. You took me to the mirror and asked what I thought. You looked so ecstatic so I couldn’t tell the truth, but I much prefer the blues and greens and reds my father painted me in rather than how you made me look.
_So, I’m late (life, you know) but I watched the video and when you said the part about that broken poem kind of reminded you of the movie (that I haven’t watched) and the vase analogy there, it kind of ignited an idea. I planned to write a poem, but I don’t know the P on Poem (I’m trying to learn more, but again, life). So, I tried to write a short-story-ish story as I’m a tad bit better at that than at poems. The problem was that I was still half-stuck on rhyme mode so I don’t know how this turned out. As always, constructive criticism is welcome._
That was really beautyful!
@@the_5th_night Thank you 😊
That was incredible!! Genuinely tearing up omg
@@i1113 Thank you!
Rachel: trying to read poetry
Kyra: SNORK
Rachel went from a kind soul who just wanted some poetry to a frustrated UA-cam Poetry teacher who just want publishers to realize that a simple phrase with the format of a poem ain't a poem.
kyra coming in when you started reading her poem like ‘yes this is mine, look upon my great works’
I just wanna say I love how your dog is just meandering in and out of the shot! And how you interact with her while you're filming, and don't apologize for her presence or anything. It always makes me a little sad when youtubers act annoyed by their pets 'messing with their filming'. For one, ik for myself and a lot of people, just seeing an animal at any given times instantly makes me happy lol, but also your dog lives in your place too! And she shouldn't be punished for wanting to be next to you, filming or not. Anyway, just something I admire whenever I watch your videos, great review as always!!!
I want Rachel to critique Lana del ray's "Violet bent backwards over the grass"
Yess
Agree! I was about to comment that
is that... the title.... of a book...?
Well, if its anything like her song-writing...
@@-topic9506 yes that is the name! it's such an amazing book honestly, i am not that interested in poetry but i read it for her and it was beautiful :)))
can i just say, completely unironically and genuinely, im glad you dont edit out your little moments with kira, even when she's making dog sounds. they make me very happy
Swimming Lessons made me drown in cringe
i see what you did there?
Very cringe. It was like she was trying way too hard to be "deep."
This kinda sounds like an Haiku
???????
@extraterrestrial_ audios Lili put all her feelings in that book and they come to say that it gives cringe. Thats stupid
Celebrities publishing half-arsed tweets for a quick cash grab...while there are poets out there, like myself, who are serious about the craft. I don't want to sound melodramatic but this form of poetry is putting a sour taste on the artform :((
As a writer of currently only fiction manuscripts, I feel the same. I’ve tried poetry and sometimes one line I write I’m proud of, but poetry is so hard to write for me compared to manuscripts.
@@jamesfv1 That's completely understandable. I think its important to note that poetry can be a form of therapy (that's how it started for me in a way) and I'm absolutely open to that, but when people start to publish that poetry then i have a problem 🤣 cos even though its relatable and 'comes from the heart' doesn't mean its good
well, where can we read your work?
@@phoebecuachon7411 nothing published yet! hopefully i'll have something out in the future though!
a great celebrity poetry book is 'I Would Leave Me If I Could." By Halsey. It's not similar to the instagram/Tumblr poetry, I think you'd find it really refreshing and a good read
Yes !! Halsey has always been a poetry writer, most of her songs (especially on manic) are actually poems !! You can tell the difference between a celebrity who has a real love and passion for the art and one who follows some edgy Instagram accounts and tries to make a deadline. Halsey has been preparing for her book her entire life, gabbi, lili etc started when they got a book deal, that’s very clear I think.
BSSASS4YS5SU4AEG naaaaahhh
could you react to Taylor swift's poems? 'The trick to holding on' 'Why she disappeared' and 'If you're anything like me'
I think the issue that both Lili Reinhart and Gabbie Hanna both had is that they labeled their “creative journal entries” poetry.
I know it's hard to avoid falling into the views-trap of only reviewing bad poetry but I would love to see you do reviews or something of your absolute favourite books or do reviews of established poets who we can reasonably expect to be good. Because it can totally be exhausting to wade through people ruining your favourite medium or just generally being subpar. I don't think anyone would begrudge you doing something that makes you happy more often
Here you go:
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I’m starting to think most people write simplified poetry books is because they know they sell, not because they’re passionate about the work that they write. At this point it’s getting exhausting and I’m extremely bored of it.
since she's an actor and very well known, she has more of an audience out there for her book. unfortunately for those who have little followers or a knowing in the category of 'popularity' their books are not given much praise towards. it's truly disappointing to those who understand and put their heart and soul into their craft.
In that poem where Armatage talked about jellies and tubes and the heart. To me it was so much deeper than just being an organ donor. For me it was clearly about depression, about feeling like you aren't connected to your body anymore and people can keep using you if they want to, you aren't that important anyway, but he'd like them to stop making his heart hurt so much. This really hits when he says "where it stops or hangs" perhaps he meant hanging literally rather than just figuratively
If you had a university course in poetry, I would take that IN A HEARTBEAT!! I could listen to you for hours!
your poetry critique videos are the definition of an educated roast, and i live for it.
If you want to suffer a bit more, I just read all I could of this web ‘novel’ called The Forgotten Princess. The grammar is horrible, the world building uninteresting and convoluted, and the relationships toxic. With mine own eyes, I had to read the sentence, “’Neigh,’ the horse said.” It’s not poetry, but it’s a pretty funny day read and I’d love to hear your thoughts on it :)
Your profile pic is beautiful
"Neigh', the horse said is so deep, i dont think i ever wanna read another book again! Nothing can top that XD
So I'm reading it bc of this comment and.......my god it's atrocious. And the comments are even worse 😭 they're all like omg this is So GOoD. It makes me so frustrated as an aspiring writer. And it came 1st in the contest it was written in?????? Bye-
to be fair a lot of those stuff are written by teenage kids who probably just recently explored the world of storytelling. like am all about clowning on stuff like _After_ but mostly bc the author is an adult. when it comes to (potentially) kids, well ... that could be bullying.
Little Somebody That’s completely true :/
I’ll try to evaluate my comments before posting in the future. I know I would feel crappy if I posted a passion project only to get bashed online. If the author sees this by any small chance- I’m sorry for my hateful words and keep writing the things that make you happy
Sometimes I wonder if you put more effort in analyzing why these poems are bad then the people writing them trying to make them good lmaoo
Very likely 😂
That is exactly the case.
“PLEASE PAY TO READ WHAT I SHOULDVE TOLD MY THERAPIST” u killed me there
as an artist i'm so glad you called out poorly traced line drawings 😭😭 they're my least favorite thing about digital art because so many people are uneducated about digital art and think people freehand it all and they get so much credit online
I feel like all these poetry books try to emulate Shel Silverstein and his iconic illustrations and clever poems, but they all fall so short of that because they are lazy and unoriginal.
Can you please review Halsey’s poetry book? I am a huge fan of her music but I don’t want to buy her book unless I have a full confidence in it’s quality.
Love your videos!
I bought her book and it's incredible. I wasn't disappointed in the least
I bought it and it's amazing. It made me cry several times. Highly recommend.
I really like her book, but I was confident in her writing due to other spoken word pieces she has done, and her songwriting. I actually like it more than Lana's book and I was very surprised about that
Wondering if you’ve read any of savannah brown’s work? She recently released her newest poetry book called Sweetdark which I think is lovely, but I’d love to hear your thoughts on it :)
Yes yes yes
"it's tough, being a dog, to make your voice feel heard" ... damn Kyra.... T_T
Rachel pouring a can of monster into a wine glass is my new aesthetic
YES !!!! ALSO could you do a review on Lana Del Rey's book , violet bent backwards over the grass ,, ?????? :)
yes!!
55:56
@@RachelOates oh my god I'm sorry I didn't watch till the end thank you so much , you're amazing :)
As someone who’s been cheated on, these poems honestly just made me feel bad.
She never got cheated on cole doesn’t cheat on her she said it
Rachel is BACK AT IT again!
Can't wait to watch the whole thing
As someone who fancies myself a decent writer, I gotta say, the criticism you offer in these videos is insanely on point and valuable. The comparisons to other works that share similarities but are better written are wonderful.
“You have to have a real understanding of poetic technique in order to break and subvert them well and in a good effective way.” YES this is exactly what I’ve thought before with poetry! You cannot afford to do it “badly” or unconventionally if you can’t do it well conventionally!
For the bedsheets poem- perhaps by damp she meant sweat from certain activities? She could have said "sweat-damp" or something Even then it doesn't sound very comfortable and still isn't great but like at least it would make sense lmao
Ooo or "sweat-soaked"
I thought it was just another way to imply they'd just been washed - you know how duvets are really thick and usually don't dry all the way in the dryer like sheets do? in any case, it's a poem that says pretty much nothing lol
That was my first thought too. I think she was just trying to paint the moment ?
Maybe like tears she was crying or something
i think it’s really cool that we can see certain poets and authors grow and develop their writing style throughout the works they publish. like you said, i really think lili has a lot of potential for the future if she decides to keep writing.
I would like to argue the “Lilli’s fans are younger people who want simple poetry to read” critique of the video... I speak only for myself, but as a young reader (I’m 15), I love books that don’t talk down to me. It’s possible to write good literature, and by extent, poetry for young people. They have the capacity to understand and enjoy good writing. I think her poetry is really disappointing, it’s all the same words rearranged to seem deep.
Poetry is poetry. It's not supposed to be easy to understand. Rupi Kaur started the trend of writing simple half assed crap so that people could read it and think themselves intellectuals because they read poEtRy and I will forever hate her for ruining poetry, and contemporary poetry as a whole
I honestly think as 14 year old AND a lili fan that I was too blindsided by how much I liked her as a person, as an actress, that the word “bad” wasn’t something I thought of when I think of lili. I’m really happy I saw this video really showed me how bad most of them are 😭
@@lamar9165 i love lili too and was i aware of how her relationship with cole gradually sparked. i found the book really shallow than expected but it gave me an insight of her relationship with him during and AFTER. i'm glad they broke up. and the book wasn't deeper than what i expected to hear from her.
@@haruhi2815 totally, I think we did get insight on a part of her relationship but we don’t know which of these poems were actually based on her relationship w him and what wasn’t so it’s a problem to tie down every poem she had about love to a single person (Cole) when some of them are not even about him. also just curious why are you glad they broke up ?
@@lamar9165 as i was reading the poems which i just kinda figured was about him cause who else right? there were poems about lili loving him too much but cole being cole he just probably have problems in accepting love what lili is giving to him, and idk i also kind of catch up with other "girl" scene. idk if he was cheating with her. but maybe that poem wasnt really based on experience, but idk. i've read lili's poems that were posted on tumblr, and i never saw someone write poems just for one person and i just think it's was cole she's writing to about. (ofc not all, most of them though) remember when she made a poem ig post on his bday but its deleted now. i just made a conclusion through the poems that she loved him more than he did that's why it didn't work out. good for lili.
I feel like that "it helped me to write it, therefore it has value/is worthy of you spending money/or will help you" is a big slap in the face to poetry that has actually given people a voice and hope during times of great oppression and political turmoil. I'm thinking of Azaleas by Kim Sowol and how dangerous it was during the Japanese occupation of Korea to write poetry in the native language and the wide variety of poetry that has come out the Israel-Palestine conflict. Not trying to invalidate anyone's depression or anyone who felt Lili's/Gabbie's poetry actually helped them, but both just seem to have an over-inflated sense of self-importance at the core of their writing.
Such a shame. I love Lili- she’s a talented actress (even in riverdale with terrible writing she manages to act well. And she was great in Hustlers) and I really like her as a person, how she’s open about mental health and beauty standard etc. So I was really hoping swimming lessons would be good :(
I ❤️ her too but this book sounds like it sucks.
@@PrincessKLS yeah :/ disappointing
I mean I don't have anything against her doing amateur poetry, but I did think that it was particularly silly to write a whole book of amateur poetry to sell... Pretty much the only reason that she was able to do that was because she was already famous and had people around her kissing her butt and saying that everything she does is brilliant
@@yespls6260 yeah I agree. Ppl should’ve been honest to her about her poetry before she decided to publish a book lol
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please do lana del ray book next
omg rachel you should review orion carlotos poetry! i know she is more experienced in literature than most of the “instapoets” you review so that could make a more interesting video for you too film :)
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Could you review Halsey's poetry book "I would leave me if I could"? I would really love to know what you have to say about it.
Video time : 57 minutes
Current time for me: 0:27 am.
I'm still watching it.
Oh pls she has poetry? I was happy over here living in blissful ignorance
The realization ruined my night lmao 🙃
I just have to say that your username is top tier
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ME TOO
I had a hard time reading that
It just kinda makes me feel like these people are disrespecting poetry as a whole 😂 like it’s obvious these people don’t read poetry and don’t love it. It’s just upsetting bc I feel like poetry is one of the best things humans ever did a and it’s something that stretches back to ancient Sumer and these people just sh!t on it by throwing together random sentences and crappy doodles and make so much money
Can we just take a moment to appreciate how soft and pretty Rachel's make-up is in this video?😭
Gave a quick go at expanding the "poem" about the shades. Still very bad, and underdeveloped, but it was so much wasted potential it hurts.
I loved you for every colour you were
The pale pink of your cheeks, as you kissed me for the first time and
The yellow of the flower you poked behind my ear, wet with raindrops and dew
The green that we grew, through the mud,
The beige of that old sofa, you pushed through the creaky door way of our new house, when it was first new,
and not old.
For these were, and still are, the colours of love.
Not only those, but, I will love you in every colour
The hot red of your anger, burning beneath your eyes
The blues of your soul, hollowed out from your chest,
to give to me and
The purple of the first bruise upon a cheek, the busted lip from a mouth that had hurt me with mere words,
for even these, are the colours of love.
Not only those, but I will love you in every shade
The bright milky whites of your good days, sun shining on our bed sheets, and the way you take your coffee, I know and
The greys, oh, the greys, in your eyes, it is the shade with which I compare everything else, as you, are balance.
Most of all, I will love you, you, all mixed up,
and messy, but smiling anyway,
because you, and everything you are
is the colour of love.
omg, this is really good! i’m replying to bump this lol. you clearly spent at least a bit of time, even if it was just an hour or so. do you have a favourite poem?
So much better. u r good.
@@muffin_the_metalhead3488 thank you :) some time, I think, but not an hour. I'm unsure. Stupidly, I'm a bit of a pantser, which isn't a term I've heard someone use when it comes to poetry. I should probably stop😂
@@muffin_the_metalhead3488 oh and yeah, I really really like The Last Post, and also The Descendents, both by Carol Ann Duffy :D you?
You’re on a great track!!! Please keep editing, the theme of this is beautiful
"the tone of 'i can't write'" LMAO
I’m a creative writing student, and I’m so glad you’re ripping into these celeb poems.
It’s frustrating watching my peers write fantastic and original poetry and never have a chance to be published, meanwhile these celebs write a few unpublished tweets and gain praise.
But they can they can post the poetry
Why did I think that "the pendulum, the ticker" that "stops or hangs" was his peepee D':
Was on that part of the video - feeling some type of existential dread - when I saw this comment so you def got a chuckle out of me
take every organ i have but PLEASE not my peepee :(
everything she writes reminds me of stuff I wrote at 14 that I thought was "so profound" lmao
Honestly, all these "instagram poems" go on the "I'm 14 and this is deep" subreddit.
As an English lit major, these videos hurt. There's no literary/poetic merit to these "poems" whatsoever. It's just shower thoughts with randomly assigned line breaks... There's no substance..
And these get published and sold...
It's your videos dissecting bad poetry and why it doesn't work that is the best inspiration for me to keep writing my poetry. I don't know what it is, but something about hearing someone else who loves poetry talk about what works and what doesn't gives me so many ideas I want to go down, phrases just pour out of me. I'm sorry that you've been getting more and more frustrated by all the bad poetry you've endured for us, but to me at least, it's greatly appreciated.
THank you for all the work you put in, to not only make the video(s) but to actually dissect the books and have them essentially take over your life for a period of time. Seriously, we value the off camera work just as much as the on camera.
“Clearly Lili Reinhart has an anxious attachment style, so...
samsies.”
Double samsies
_t r i p l e_
@@lil_weasel219 quadruple 😎😳🕶🤏
Such a random point I know, but I think the "damp duvet" line was implying that they had just had sex, cause of sweat and, uhm, other stuff...
Yea I’ve also seen people here wonder if it’s talking about her crying, but even if there was more to it, it needed much more exploration. It’s the one time she didn’t over explain every detail, she needs to find somewhere in between, if the the short poems had much more to them and the the longer ones began to “show not tell”. It’s so frustrating that she can’t quite get that in between.